From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 15 00:10:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31188E30DC1 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 00:10:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x244.google.com (mail-wr0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C52141385 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 00:10:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x244.google.com with SMTP id y44so2758485wry.2 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:10:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FcSbHD3Qov9m183qaeeJlzxzawezggY8POIR/hdZ1oE=; b=BlIxCslKmCGjt9PC2Xk664PISsGe4OAVcbiqMVbDKriT/VNUdMJuCrLCB3LJcXlR0T h5tPM610K2rtY9VpOE+Yx1mw6wgGb8dAhF1oqTmMm9X5hOH+RBqaFkSDrfKyYqe022/s ppGxWNb2V9YaHxTzNR7l9HcyikHrTOMJH7ItyV4u8SbEpNQPwF8zL0qUW7t5uRrTUate MAQbH2D5vwLCvbo6M4ceC338iQ8E6yOTMPdnirnpBYtHZvtgk2+QMkEQESm0oZIJy8f3 PqdAwZAcB1bfpt/VJNExnuuIEV13To3t1loWSOtwuCGpKdBpLHvbBFBuz2Jaw8KpoH27 ZVKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaX9XPaU8Q+DopuSylmmpFpJYNOTC7Rpo5Z6ilqQMGWSZOEdt/Az SqrDez1Y4JRMsY/l/3kXuQO//Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCTVZ7F7G2WvkUfERLRAYnM6zxyE0/b6DBb04CHr1GeXohYArs2XDLLfgWJvKjxzNPXBEpdOg== X-Received: by 10.223.158.205 with SMTP id b13mr4532364wrf.65.1508026237036; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x185sm2286711wmx.35.2017.10.14.17.10.35 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 01:10:32 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unbound(8) caching resolver no workie on fresh install :-( Message-ID: <20171015011032.735852a9@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <64e5525d-fd1c-6e9b-526c-0d9c4e8f788c@cyberleo.net> References: <4172.1507827505@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20171014224323.1ed35da3@gumby.homeunix.com> <64e5525d-fd1c-6e9b-526c-0d9c4e8f788c@cyberleo.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 00:10:39 -0000 On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 18:08:27 -0500 CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: > On 10/14/2017 04:43 PM, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > FreeBSD's local_unbound setup will, by default, forward to the > nameservers provided by DHCP or hardcoded in the config files, rather > than doing full lookups by itself. But is it possible to force recursion (for the reason below). Matthew Seaman implied that it wasn't. The reason I ask is that I'm still using DJB dnscache, and should probably be using something more modern; and something in base would be preferable. > > There's also the issue that mail servers should avoid using shared > > caches because of per IP address limits on blocklists. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 15 10:40:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21D1E3FB96 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:40:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F4C97203C for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:40:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:f409:3ef9:a8e6:69bb]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 91FECC720 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Unbound(8) caching resolver no workie on fresh install :-( To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4172.1507827505@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20171014224323.1ed35da3@gumby.homeunix.com> <64e5525d-fd1c-6e9b-526c-0d9c4e8f788c@cyberleo.net> <20171015011032.735852a9@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 11:39:50 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171015011032.735852a9@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HaRIVbj62gB6Jojm26ouBI7EmiMtw4rnf" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:40:05 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --HaRIVbj62gB6Jojm26ouBI7EmiMtw4rnf Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="O12cBooc5gqMDKqgQKvVkMtRRAEAOFDp1"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: Unbound(8) caching resolver no workie on fresh install :-( References: <4172.1507827505@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20171014224323.1ed35da3@gumby.homeunix.com> <64e5525d-fd1c-6e9b-526c-0d9c4e8f788c@cyberleo.net> <20171015011032.735852a9@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20171015011032.735852a9@gumby.homeunix.com> --O12cBooc5gqMDKqgQKvVkMtRRAEAOFDp1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15/10/2017 01:10, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 18:08:27 -0500 > CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: >=20 >> On 10/14/2017 04:43 PM, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >=20 >> FreeBSD's local_unbound setup will, by default, forward to the >> nameservers provided by DHCP or hardcoded in the config files, rather >> than doing full lookups by itself. >=20 > But is it possible to force recursion (for the reason below). > Matthew Seaman implied that it wasn't. =20 I didn't say it was impossible. I said that there wasn't a simple flag you could set to enforce that behaviour. The way you prevent local_unbound from using forwarders is to not have any forwarders configured anywhere local_unbound can find them. Basically that means: * no local_unbound_forwarders setting in /etc/rc.conf * no nameserver lines in /etc/resolv.conf * if you need to use DHCP, then you'ld need to add settings to /etc/dhclient.conf to supersede the supplied DNS servers with an empty list. > The reason I ask is that I'm still using DJB dnscache, and should > probably be using something more modern; and something in base would be= > preferable. Something that supports DNSSEC would be preferable, although that does presuppose that the rest of the internet gets off its collective backside and implements DNSSEC routinely. How short memories are -- remember the fuss over the Kaminsky attack? That was never actually "solved" by the work-arounds given in the security advisories at the time, just made significantly less likely to succeed. The real fix was always enabling DNSSEC everywhere. Does _your_ bank use DNSSEC? Hey, at least you could be assured that no-one is spoofing freebsd.org...= >>> There's also the issue that mail servers should avoid using shared >>> caches because of per IP address limits on blocklists. Anyone operating a mail server at reasonable scale has no excuse for not paying for the service that blocklist providers provide, in which case, the same per-IP limits will not apply. Cheers, Matthew --O12cBooc5gqMDKqgQKvVkMtRRAEAOFDp1-- --HaRIVbj62gB6Jojm26ouBI7EmiMtw4rnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJZ4zr9XxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATXKgQAK+8//kNNyQv8KS1dvmRu5Ny xgFDfWcOxLO15MD1ngStBN08cS2N8SFHfrydaU3UQj46RJ5yTVqWjX5Ocl1AJtIA CWd4bJCcyeadsIGZZt01fVpbunp7Y051/Qg3lAIMPiqFksGBO9R0Knqg/WYsiBdK hEAwBEoOj6BFEj9i0SDVgYvvYuAEJhaNheNniJSkABQ1zy2Jh0m0/2pKjcLGKlq0 kuoNpttxldHff/CihAppz7WY6PcD/IbpADk5FG58ZNLHV7av5SKlO16V49nCuGKn 7TNXWLOlx9zOTrwO0ADZAF13xOeNKXeLpql2rhFddfcFCxZSzVattwKc5rWLWnxp vBN+BtR/a+fLb7EBJ26LUMEBLAT8vr+PcCQYNAug0loJCy7ddfihYznt5zjH1BwY 7rUfl3s8eYFvNakzpy8USGANyyuLwc2PFxr2yrQZ/hz6cF/g54yu/WHP1z+FsiMZ 7Ji827bdymVjQuzyKl44ZdZbe0/XoY7QrPUwMvotAbeb8T7AZAJdvmwnjiHkVsda AsGvwyuNCP/gSyiuOltvOiDbOrxIyGlfDCANaUrRjeMB6Kroa1otpIgQ3RBVQNn8 AqtTCrC3V6HpHhiYz1Yyb5N6c9i9k80uXopclBAjaANXcUPObWcYFRE4zmZ3OM5+ UWOuQgDDR4Ypk/ZBK7cR =JRVw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HaRIVbj62gB6Jojm26ouBI7EmiMtw4rnf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 15 17:26:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09280E47571 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:26:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from a-painless.mh.aa.net.uk (a-painless.mh.aa.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1B1980DA8 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:26:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from woodcruft.co.uk ([81.187.27.248] helo=lime.woodcruft.co.uk) by a-painless.mh.aa.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e3mgc-0005oc-Vq; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 18:26:51 +0100 Received: by lime.woodcruft.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D95D93D11A; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 18:26:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 18:26:40 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Unbound(8) caching resolver no workie on fresh install :-( Message-ID: <20171015172640.GA4360@woodcruft.co.uk> Reply-To: Frank Shute Mail-Followup-To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" , FreeBSD Questions References: <4172.1507827505@segfault.tristatelogic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4172.1507827505@segfault.tristatelogic.com> X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'woodcruft.co.uk' X-PGP-Key: http://woodcruft.co.uk/misc/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:26:55 -0000 --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 09:58:25AM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > >=20 > In message > Erwan Legrand wrote: >=20 > >On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette > > wrote: > >> After the install finished and I booted the new system, I immediately > >> got some console errors indicating that the various default NTP servers > >> (I also enabled NTP) were not resolving. :-( > > > >This could happen if you forward queries to servers which strip DNSSEC > >signatures. If that is the case, you have two options: either you stop > >forwarding to these servers or your disable the DNSSEC support in > >Unbound. >=20 > OK, this is a little bit confusing to me, so please bear with me... >=20 > My *router* (Linksys E4200) has been configured to tell DHCP clients > to use the two public name servers of OpenDNS, i.e. 208.67.222.222 > and 208.67.220.220. >=20 > However I'm unclear on what, if anything, this ha to do with the Unbound(= 8) > caching resolver. If you're going to run unbound(8) then you want to tell your DHCP clients to use the local IP of the box unbound is running on. ie. a local (what used to be known as a 'Class C') address: 192.168.*.* or 10.*.*.* or 176...etc. ATM, all your clients are going out on the 'net to the OpenDNS servers for name resolution. What you need to do on the box running unbound, is configure your dhclient.conf(5) on that machine to have the following in it: interface "re0"{ prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; } Obviously, you may need to change "re0" to whatever NIC you use. For other clients on the LAN, I'd suggest you configure the dhcp server on your router to give them the local address of your unbound machine as the nameserver followed by something out on the 'net in-case your unbound machine goes down. In unbound.conf(5) you need: forward-zone: name: "." forward-addr: 208.67.222.222 # OpenDNS forward-addr: 208.67.220.220 # OpenDNS Personally, I prefer to use my ISP's nameservers. They're closer and no shenanigans. It's also worth grabbing root.hints: # fetch https://www.internic.net/domain/named.root -o /var/unbound/named.ro= ot # chown unbound:wheel /var/unbound/named.root (maybe make it a monthly cron job) and in unbound.conf you need: server: root-hints: "/var/unbound/named.root" >=20 > During this (fresh) install, I -never- explicitly selected any option that > would obcviously hav the effect of telling unbound to forward/route all > of its DNS queries through any other specific name servers). So why on > earth would it be doing so? >=20 > I mean I -thought- that this was (mostly) the whole point of running a > local caching resolver, i.e. that *it* would do all of the DNS lookups > itself, traversing/descending its way, as necessary, down from the root > zone servers until it found what it was looking for. >=20 > I don't know if the OpenDNS server strip DNSSEC stuff or not, but again, > I don't see why Unbound(8) should even be using those servers anyway. > Just because my router is giving those two specific IPv4 addresses to > each of its DHCP clients, that doesn't mean that any of those clients > are in any way forced to use them. And I don't see why Unbound(8) would > be doing so. My understanding is that if you negotiate a lease from a dhcp server and it's configured to tell you which nameserver(s) to use, then by default your resolv.conf will be overwritten with the IPs of those nameserver(s) and the client's resolver will use them. Have a look at resolvconf(8) & the manpages referenced in the 'SEE ALSO:' of that manpage. Of course, you can change that behaviour. >=20 > If it isn't, and if unbound is, as I believed, traversing the DNS tree it= self, > starting from the root each time, then there is nobody and nothing between > it and the authoritative servers for whatever it happens to be looking > for -- thus, no filtering of DNSSEC, and thus, the resolutions failures > I described are still mysterious... to me anyway. >=20 > What am I missing? I can't tell you about DNSSEC because I don't use it. 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Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: NanoBSD: Current/NANO_ARCH=aarch64: chroot: : No such file or directory Message-ID: <20171015210935.5a50a85a@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> In-Reply-To: <20171012153922.6e747356@hermann> References: <20171011204722.3622d73c@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <1507762426.8386.24.camel@freebsd.org> <20171012153922.6e747356@hermann> Organization: WALSTATT User-Agent: OutScare 3.1415926 X-Operating-System: ImNotAnOperatingSystem 3.141592527 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/VEohY/ZPeRQcvsDZPOmJLyo"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:a3mv5UZndTCntjdAgVOfgfRM4QR/tZktCtBsXP3wv4+o4jW4nqz IAaFKXNGRYc9EQNbTR597EdVnT2UsogU5Urdemz6e23fa/LFSN0u8B6NA4HdsG+q/qkbZ0P WIVDHfHNMaFbIy/UwOZDe1+j/f8xVeGe9u8ABZbf8o/CLiWOP+CddmKFog/yZYsvwKy7Yej zHoHqhdBMTFn3KsUq4buw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ZoWINQc4wms=:1oGfow6QDY9593w5d+/Y/0 k7jUUpnMVwyW0QAR2+vJGWPb3IWA92Py2QBzCyd82j1d91WaIOZDD00MY5UsXufd7CXjYROs5 Wen4x9CwGLAR/5V9MEII8/JewEPWWSAD5Pakse4BPr+NaI0+NA2vPef0dTsdciTE59ZIp/YPJ 34ylG5z+zLQSLYsGaF3sOe0kufLXwvS/SRj0QLNpPz9gDe06ObGwa8Dk0ncrOaxacRIt1YDVQ /pHxAweN/58HsAUGqBAn4ezsXqhqtRE1CFNYfPOCzJG8/7yLHbbYxOafWc0bKltAKF+rw1GjZ zeSZD7a+YfMspB8TIZY6hvNJEHMA3/DNYjDuMwNtYRqnxHJjPgQvRbPgSmY/ch3igqk0Gcqh2 bhCD9glhuCng4ZE2QuDjrEx2cCVr5JKAx9OoCeE3Cg+adJiE4w01OgIdvCwZqs5au1P1T4G8S 1cVTHA6Mc0DyEXVnLqa5eYCAr56iK/1VBPgeO+W8fa9zvVyuVsev3boTgA2ZXIi/GxktZQk40 rptluq3CHQAMEF/PkAe1s6zx/eLFCsgZtpS0MdDZo/INIQQFdX9T5Zxp2E682UawLtMkN0YG3 BmTfzpgSNokPlKbgyqs2K+DLy5aZjUP1l4OLgyFL5kDlQL1WEIekD3rt7icdEBA2ij9DjLmL9 VSqIjtCJcSUPECWzc7rHOv4a8NwWro6YmOW29sIiM5dy9IkFi42f9PU1Dd40yTuwjdMK6zTfO e/v7IB6ec0dhiwvtdNwCCCNupsuMiNF0W919emq4zWHwe+LgyADRFDxBuq/up5BMKJODryg8m Tn1RzDdxdX+icnHSxTvIcrkE+9wIiIAY4PQjrfRkr0cxuBeQYuzLNewEdaeTv0V4okf+Agwfj YfcbmBKo3nIhO11AzXK9KMzwMBSNk5p1dA6VfWlto= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:09:54 -0000 --Sig_/VEohY/ZPeRQcvsDZPOmJLyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:39:26 +0200 "Hartmann, O." schrieb: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:53:46 -0600 > Ian Lepore wrote: >=20 > > On Wed, 2017-10-11 at 20:47 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: =20 > > > Trying to install a successfully cross compiled FreeBSD > > > (TARGET=3Darm64) as NanoBSD. NanoBSD is configure using > > > NANO_ARCH=3D"aarch64". > > >=20 > > > Port emulators/qemu-user-static is installed and loaded: > > >=20 > > > =A08=A0=A0=A0=A01 0xffffffff8243f000 1564=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0imgact_binmis= c.ko > > >=20 > > > When installing NanoBSD's world and then running mtree, the nanobsd > > > script runs into this error: > > >=20 > > > /pool/nanobsd/aarch64/NANO_aarch64/_.w/./boot/loader.conf.local > > > 283 blocks > > > + [ -n /home/user/Projects/router/nanobsd/mtree/Files.mtree -a \ > > > -f /home/user/Projects/router/nanobsd/mtree/Files.mtree > > > ] > > > + CR 'mtree -eiU -p /' > > > + chroot /pool/nanobsd/aarch64/NANO_aarch64/_.w '' /bin/sh -exc > > > 'mtree -eiU -p /' chroot: : No such file or directory =20 >=20 > Oops, I confused the output. >=20 > The correct one is: >=20 > [ from _.cust.cust_install_files ] >=20 > ... > + chroot /pool/nanobsd/aarch64/NANO_aarch64/_.w /bin/sh -exc 'mtree > -eiU -p /' chroot: /bin/sh: No such file or directory >=20 > The empty '' is due to my (hopeless helpless) attempt to fit-in another > variable which was set to an empty string. >=20 > The error looks to me as chroot does't find the proper shell, /bin/sh, > but it has been properly installed: >=20 > # file _.w/bin/sh > _.w/bin/sh: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, ARM aarch64, version 1 > (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1, for > FreeBSD 12.0 (1200051), FreeBSD-style, stripped >=20 > # ll _.w/bin/sh > 839832 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 261K 12 Okt. 15:32 _.w/bin/sh >=20 > NanoBSD works on the native host when building on host arch amd64 for > host arch amd64 and I guess it is due to the properly installed OS of > the host. >=20 > I do not get the problem here. qemu_user_static should catch up with > the alien binary here - I suppose it does. The absolute path should > ensure the use of the right binary ... >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Oliver >=20 > > > =20 > >=20 > > I'm not sure how or why it's happening (I've never used nanobsd), but > > the complaint is about those empty quotes ('') between the pathname > > and the /bin/sh in the chroot command. =A0It's trying to run a program > > named '' and chroot is complaining that it can't find anything named > > that. > >=20 > > -- Ian > > =20 > > > Is there anything I miss here with the QEMU emulator catching up? > > >=20 > > > Thanks in advance, > > >=20 > > > Oliver > > > =20 >=20 I didn't find a solution to this problem, it might be that someone has alre= ady have such a problem solved, so I'm sending CC'ed also to the list "questions". The background is above described. Running most recent qemu-user-static (qemu-user-static-2.9.94.g20171011), l= oaded and running a kernel module, chrooting into a cross-compiled aarch64 installati= on of recent 12-CURRENT (r324621) fails with error (from NanoBSD): [...] chroot /pool/nanobsd/aarch64/NANO_aarch64/_.w /bin/sh -exc 'mtree -eiU -p /' chroot: /bin/sh: No such file or directory There is no further output so I fly blind. As mentioned above, /bin/sh is i= nstalled and present in the chrooted target folder and file states, that it has been co= mpiled for aarch64. I tried manually the very same command - amongst other attempts to chroot a= nd execute a command - but always the same: I get the error shown above, no such file or= directory. Do I miss something here? Do I have to install some crosse development tool= s/libs into the chrooted target first, so /bin/sh can be emulated correctly? I'm quite new to cross compiling. But at this point with this thin, faintin= g amount of information why it fails, I can't even start searching ... Hopefully someone can shed some light on this. Thanks in advance, oh --=20 O. Hartmann Ich widerspreche der Nutzung oder =DCbermittlung meiner Daten f=FCr Werbezwecke oder f=FCr die Markt- oder Meinungsforschung (=A7 28 Abs. 4 BDS= G). --Sig_/VEohY/ZPeRQcvsDZPOmJLyo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iLUEARMKAB0WIQQZVZMzAtwC2T/86TrS528fyFhYlAUCWeOybwAKCRDS528fyFhY lFHmAf98Ypw4dHXVM+7ALrH9Ecinqdxt6qNawMKwuL1hVQda5DLX7rCIVNkMhLSI lm1X78roO+KtV1Uc87Jl/Ib0GJ9GAf4jjCVjW+/WItAH68l/TQvng/NeOmyC3N4/ LodI5HkspYNEr0JOYGc0I7j3KWZ2kR03Z8XAEAgj/fxaMJAXBPMV =e8TZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/VEohY/ZPeRQcvsDZPOmJLyo-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 15 19:35:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEBDE49795 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkeenan@pobox.com) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (pb-smtp2.pobox.com [64.147.108.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12C8F842B8 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:35:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkeenan@pobox.com) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D031F9B0E8 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 15:32:15 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=to:from :subject:message-id:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=650TxpL/I11wi8Vol51ltXHXQ H4=; b=Fpo2Ob/yDPlPbDmJWaBs2yHe8e66QfUnKWGRIgcrwPkI/alZAdjC0o+dI fpgecszJN4oTNYz0x7dow8T0eVsF6t4aA5GjqG1tJhlnlHyZImvjADdANotEcSnB giEBR3kpDPB+Xn+DZIX7NuFzJv+IKNL+qdZ1GmGyw9I+nQt/TM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=to:from:subject :message-id:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sasl; b=GOimCG8l44M1/PDe1vM aoDHYlcAKD6FlyGCHPcHnSh8skBWfMIZFLs9O9BMBRlfRMNPWY57giQbd1GHto5n 0uam0XFnfe8eEwyvngLfWb45+O4UuGzYbSHZ5hzGuRdhiE/0FMmBRj83LxsQC517 FJpboA57kdKQc4aYdJLQZ7sI= Received: from pb-smtp2.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B169B0E7 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 15:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.10.10.120] (unknown [145.131.171.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2EC709B0E5 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 15:32:15 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: James E Keenan Subject: Need example of localeconv and localeconv_l Message-ID: <6432375e-2a10-4eb7-eb85-609ee11e3497@pobox.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 21:32:13 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 8C9F5004-B1DF-11E7-A9D4-575F0C78B957-57062903!pb-smtp2.pobox.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:35:07 -0000 For heuristic purposes I need to locate a *short* C program which exercises the localeconv and localeconv_l functions described in man 3 localeconv. I'm looking for something which will print a simple statement to STDOUT if and when each of these functions is present. I'll be running it on FreeBSD to demonstrate the presence of both on that OS. Then I'll run it on Linux to demonstrate the absence of localeconv_l therein. I've conducted DDG search and found many pages with the man page, but I'm looking for a beginner-level C program as an example and haven't found one. Any link or example would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 15 21:30:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC79E4B644 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 21:30:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.radel.com", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F3712687 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 21:30:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.19.2 (ClamAV engine v0.99.2) X-ExtFilter: Niversoft's DomainKeys Helper DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=E/Pq6MBZqot3fETmItBt1Cqj2hUUpdNhw0ILRdJGcgjijNmJzv+PDVw7AD2GXnJP0M SAYB/O5JBf9T0c9kMRN+Z23CchgHLsG8gwVmqe05rTGQ5tHSvZIbbiuZ0nO0LeFNZvJh jmfv5GdeVazZuUZbXS7eq6ZR3Mrq0QtU5DPAg3Imbr6taGiG8eI7pvBW4ajVsd0Z0TJD anlJVXOO+62yeR0IyNz0omh+BBMJY5zrRl5t+VDp/tBDyPJxl5XmKGPr81ikpTPDN3GO Rv2KMwXzMyj6anUTp+Oiz6/jpJyLTH2/DKpsGedJXt2U6P6p/1k53uQbGoLqzUORnlsn pOXQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; t=1508099426; x=1508704226; q=dns/txt; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; bh=Qf5CHYqqwQ5 bVDr2+YulFPKYTQtcktnFmPu2xcCl/xg=; b=N27fRBvTiN7kn2vDsUsPy7Rp1qm yoOgIRvcfQAtK31R8V95OjNfgmBvoQaGC04OX71Oqy0XhEFTCB1Ihewwy1D79EbL 0YxpAr+QGm4VqLbcDQHUnldthd8buUJr9P0w3ksy8Nw6ACqLQa7ZZ54cp3fyvLpY eNbGIWEuLo70RsM96bfT/l2h2RWrcUvfrYmwds5D5SP470ac2Xx0cB5b+7fTXqmH noOEvXp+2Pgq3EtPhw0vjQ6eV4DxNgci6XwGbbXMpwhYHa1zxgbZL/IAeldsBmgc hKkc+0iJyStGy/zjlIgK9bWUzcF932soMqGmqeuH6CVO3vgNRl+T1vkwn5A== Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:f592:800b:bb72:ed5f] (account jon@radel.com HELO haralson.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 1558198 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:30:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Unbound(8) caching resolver no workie on fresh install :-( To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4172.1507827505@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20171015172640.GA4360@woodcruft.co.uk> From: Jon Radel Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 16:30:25 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171015172640.GA4360@woodcruft.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms030607030200090704020903" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 21:30:58 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030607030200090704020903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US On 10/15/17 13:26, Frank Shute wrote: > the local IP of the box unbound is running on. ie. a local (what > used to be known as a 'Class C') address: 192.168.*.* or 10.*.*.* or > 176...etc.=20 No, still known as a private or RFC 1918 address.=A0 Class C is something= quite different.=A0 As a matter of fact, 192.168.0.0/16 is 256 Class Cs 172.16.0.0/12 is 16 Class Bs 10.0.0.0/8 is 1 Class A You are completely correct, however, that this is mainly of historical interest and has no immediate impact.=A0 Even when RFC 1918 was published= , referring to the addresses classes was referred to as an essentially obsolete "pre-CIDR notation." 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Radel Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unbound(8) caching resolver no workie on fresh install :-( Message-ID: <20171015235721.GB4360@woodcruft.co.uk> Reply-To: Frank Shute Mail-Followup-To: Jon Radel , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4172.1507827505@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20171015172640.GA4360@woodcruft.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JP+T4n/bALQSJXh8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'woodcruft.co.uk' X-PGP-Key: http://woodcruft.co.uk/misc/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 23:57:29 -0000 --JP+T4n/bALQSJXh8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 04:30:25PM -0400, Jon Radel wrote: > > On 10/15/17 13:26, Frank Shute wrote: > > the local IP of the box unbound is running on. ie. a local (what > > used to be known as a 'Class C') address: 192.168.*.* or 10.*.*.* or > > 176...etc.=20 > > No, still known as a private or RFC 1918 address.=A0 Class C is something > quite different.=A0 As a matter of fact, >=20 > 192.168.0.0/16 is 256 Class Cs > 172.16.0.0/12 is 16 Class Bs > 10.0.0.0/8 is 1 Class A Thanks for putting me straight Jon. From now on I'll use the correct nomenclature. I can remember the number of that RFC. >=20 > You are completely correct, however, that this is mainly of historical > interest and has no immediate impact.=A0 Even when RFC 1918 was published, > referring to the addresses classes was referred to as an essentially > obsolete "pre-CIDR notation." >=20 > To bring some substance to this comment:=A0 changing 172.16.0.0/12 to > "176...etc" is just asking for trouble, being wrong. Quite right. My memory is not as good as I thought and in future I will check my 'facts'. We shouldn't have to know all this stuff nowadays as we're all meant to have moved to IPv6 aren't we? ;) >=20 > --=20 > --Jon Radel > jon@radel.com >=20 >=20 Regards,=20 --=20 Frank --JP+T4n/bALQSJXh8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEXRpQZWMUMC1nxphkORvOAPtvi1oFAlnj9cEACgkQORvOAPtv i1pO6w//Zkodx8ZMyihJidwOB2EmOk47jodx5ev1cRVJJmFIVZeySWYRTeOux7iH WHJZ52wVRnSXQdQaY0hAe18m4MQbK78vfjQ1iXAIrrH2aqQAMAOS8GkR49/mM6E7 fZeY6gKQeFn23TyEqeeIqEaTLs/y4jbVSQreQkjGMsVgJw8HD3URGorFTKsVMa+s C6RVeFNxItlJw3wy5i182aktXjnH3mUHKMyvZCRAyjrLLko2pH4HDks85E6lZjAC Ok7lPVdJ3vpJ8BI2TmzX9rRz+ojy1wGaMP+8bvbvCpjedThgv72z2hDTxK2wZ18n xlgO0MUfFGCl1LwofUHnkOy4et8WtKDpBTEQZ58e/r+RBcn4yMC479LUMVp/VzW3 OhvPu1xIavUiHsayLl2HIhj81OAvq+pSnHB1cht1GDFQ/DAGAxoN1v6xjk9dqRq4 VnMFwS0VxZbg4Bit2Y8uEM3P6AwUvXWPb2bBHlwgjvemGRZnC8zcx5s2ScCirBv3 B80pZvrTDx/ROexaaY4UbjU43wttD0WUGopmVPvppP1T4x+zuys62S8m5V4naEY8 6wtPSWO3rxqrR8uHZcjnqay6qK++UROau6c2X2tiSdfkvdJWRfIu6jI9/z8u7uj0 xZukwC1NlRYYwOAGaQGb7QN5S0e+m6DuV4qHLNQmAsJdy4OJvSk= =B5bT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JP+T4n/bALQSJXh8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 16 00:42:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EF2E28EF9 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.radel.com", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B87DB66635 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.19.2 (ClamAV engine v0.99.2) X-ExtFilter: Niversoft's DomainKeys Helper DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=SVdEwfEsueKoPWpAc8R3aAvZ7kvCJ02UyEmnBk/Vzxt1AtHkiG3sk/1eQ/hjFoeX57 NFZjfXwII1L9W/PNF6qesmeHjCojhJ/JUiIzexaSqxYRyHY1xV08w98FaX/3UHKxMwbv lTBvkjb0sFQRtQrkqRd/drMbyiR6prKP3f/tUNXRZorkzPkQYuIWOquVqWW/Lv0YOqvz m3Lc5UqvPu85afVmbj9Rb6QGQ6fZ6lDAWXXtlWP1rqDbMtWdhXeMsyU9W1jmO7wXJnvr mFoYLzYZbAcpJjXJI9APSINeXZx4tLhDHB/gY1vwbdKQYYavXJotuqSWmBnv5LTlX76v PxqQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; t=1508114543; x=1508719343; q=dns/txt; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; bh=HFwCfaMwREq KEaKaycQQIg81rQRz428TMbd791NSgJE=; b=K1ttfKPvRtthkncSOG3Z/wmbf0C taIM8pNYoIv+1NMDBE6Rh8roRqgSbvTOq+Rr6YqzHYB6sJx8jLg2pUr4gVtforIJ 8jY8g9SbNUw6fs5fYITLt5UOnYTB7Q5lif+30OtWnvRpcAkFT7WtLCwZu1nRBtmk RzUwqrs0C2e0mQALyJkVVBkYWGzec8GKa8N4593uptBRDFINkbs3t0t55zUTBxP4 1kRL8qzd0b8M5jMQk7Hzxb921mCaKp08zVkWjrsNJTVBUki2+z3zG65tutBbHPyY pCwtkz4RmpVTlxBK5w1Xa6sxTm44Ld+LOo7rK0lCZLCHwOFjk9L9xMGSs1Q== Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:f592:800b:bb72:ed5f] (account jon@radel.com HELO haralson.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 1558270 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:42:23 +0000 Subject: Re: Unbound(8) caching resolver no workie on fresh install :-( To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4172.1507827505@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <20171015172640.GA4360@woodcruft.co.uk> <20171015235721.GB4360@woodcruft.co.uk> From: Jon Radel Message-ID: <6990c67e-213b-c16e-08e0-8396c0a1bf42@radel.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:42:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171015235721.GB4360@woodcruft.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms060009040408070801020608" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:42:26 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060009040408070801020608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US On 10/15/17 19:57, Frank Shute wrote: > We shouldn't have to know all this stuff nowadays as we're all meant to= > have moved to IPv6 aren't we? ;) > Bwaaahahaha. I started a new job in charge of a production network about a month ago.=A0 Early on I asked, "So are there any plans for ipv6 roll-out yet?"= =A0 The answer, as I expected, was basically, "Not so much." --=20 --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms060009040408070801020608 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC Cq8wggSvMIIDl6ADAgECAhEA4CPLFRKDU4mtYW56VGdrITANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADBvMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJTRTEUMBIGA1UEChMLQWRkVHJ1c3QgQUIxJjAkBgNVBAsTHUFkZFRydXN0IEV4 dGVybmFsIFRUUCBOZXR3b3JrMSIwIAYDVQQDExlBZGRUcnVzdCBFeHRlcm5hbCBDQSBSb290 MB4XDTE0MTIyMjAwMDAwMFoXDTIwMDUzMDEwNDgzOFowgZsxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkdCMRswGQYD VQQIExJHcmVhdGVyIE1hbmNoZXN0ZXIxEDAOBgNVBAcTB1NhbGZvcmQxGjAYBgNVBAoTEUNP TU9ETyBDQSBMaW1pdGVkMUEwPwYDVQQDEzhDT01PRE8gU0hBLTI1NiBDbGllbnQgQXV0aGVu 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Hartmann" Cc: freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD Questions References: <20171011204722.3622d73c@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <1507762426.8386.24.camel@freebsd.org> <20171012153922.6e747356@hermann> <20171015210935.5a50a85a@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <7dde9642-c45b-ac92-b130-05cbd4bdeed4@hedeland.org> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:50:23 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171015210935.5a50a85a@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 05:51:41 -0000 On 2017-10-15 21:09, O. Hartmann wrote: > Am Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:39:26 +0200 > "Hartmann, O." schrieb: > > > >> On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:53:46 -0600 >> Ian Lepore wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 2017-10-11 at 20:47 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: >>>> Trying to install a successfully cross compiled FreeBSD >>>> (TARGET=arm64) as NanoBSD. NanoBSD is configure using >>>> NANO_ARCH="aarch64". >>>> >>>> Port emulators/qemu-user-static is installed and loaded: >>>> >>>> 8 1 0xffffffff8243f000 1564 imgact_binmisc.ko >>>> >>>> When installing NanoBSD's world and then running mtree, the nanobsd >>>> script runs into this error: >>>> >>>> /pool/nanobsd/aarch64/NANO_aarch64/_.w/./boot/loader.conf.local >>>> 283 blocks >>>> + [ -n /home/user/Projects/router/nanobsd/mtree/Files.mtree -a \ >>>> -f /home/user/Projects/router/nanobsd/mtree/Files.mtree >>>> ] >>>> + CR 'mtree -eiU -p /' >>>> + chroot /pool/nanobsd/aarch64/NANO_aarch64/_.w '' /bin/sh -exc >>>> 'mtree -eiU -p /' chroot: : No such file or directory >> >> Oops, I confused the output. >> >> The correct one is: >> >> [ from _.cust.cust_install_files ] >> >> ... >> + chroot /pool/nanobsd/aarch64/NANO_aarch64/_.w /bin/sh -exc 'mtree >> -eiU -p /' chroot: /bin/sh: No such file or directory >> >> The empty '' is due to my (hopeless helpless) attempt to fit-in another >> variable which was set to an empty string. >> >> The error looks to me as chroot does't find the proper shell, /bin/sh, >> but it has been properly installed: >> >> # file _.w/bin/sh >> _.w/bin/sh: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, ARM aarch64, version 1 >> (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1, for >> FreeBSD 12.0 (1200051), FreeBSD-style, stripped >> >> # ll _.w/bin/sh >> 839832 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 261K 12 Okt. 15:32 _.w/bin/sh >> >> NanoBSD works on the native host when building on host arch amd64 for >> host arch amd64 and I guess it is due to the properly installed OS of >> the host. >> >> I do not get the problem here. qemu_user_static should catch up with >> the alien binary here - I suppose it does. The absolute path should >> ensure the use of the right binary ... >> >> Regards, >> >> Oliver >> >>>> >>> >>> I'm not sure how or why it's happening (I've never used nanobsd), but >>> the complaint is about those empty quotes ('') between the pathname >>> and the /bin/sh in the chroot command. It's trying to run a program >>> named '' and chroot is complaining that it can't find anything named >>> that. >>> >>> -- Ian >>> >>>> Is there anything I miss here with the QEMU emulator catching up? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>> Oliver >>>> >> > > I didn't find a solution to this problem, it might be that someone has already have such > a problem solved, so I'm sending CC'ed also to the list "questions". > > The background is above described. > > Running most recent qemu-user-static (qemu-user-static-2.9.94.g20171011), loaded and > running a kernel module, chrooting into a cross-compiled aarch64 installation of recent > 12-CURRENT (r324621) fails with error (from NanoBSD): > > [...] > chroot /pool/nanobsd/aarch64/NANO_aarch64/_.w /bin/sh -exc 'mtree -eiU -p /' > chroot: /bin/sh: No such file or directory I have no idea if this is your problem, nor actually what you're trying to do - I just want to point out that you can get this ENOENT error for an executable not only when the executable doesn't exist, but also when the loader a.k.a. "interpreter" that the executable wants doesn't exist. I.e. check whether you have /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 in the chroot tree. --Per Hedeland > There is no further output so I fly blind. As mentioned above, /bin/sh is installed and > present in the chrooted target folder and file states, that it has been compiled for > aarch64. > > I tried manually the very same command - amongst other attempts to chroot and execute a > command - but always the same: I get the error shown above, no such file or directory. > > Do I miss something here? Do I have to install some crosse development tools/libs into > the chrooted target first, so /bin/sh can be emulated correctly? > > I'm quite new to cross compiling. But at this point with this thin, fainting amount of > information why it fails, I can't even start searching ... > > Hopefully someone can shed some light on this. > > Thanks in advance, > > oh > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 16 14:47:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AB5E3C483 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antoine@kallab.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x22f.google.com (mail-qt0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E32783277 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antoine@kallab.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id k31so32126102qta.6 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:47:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kallab-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:openpgp:message-id:date:mime-version :in-reply-to; bh=E/AptahrE3OnP1jlnFx8DMEHtDtG5LLgorxZ/09QCwI=; b=Z/FQcUgQl3MMWfZD/9hXrkUDP/osjDoEVwC9XUtYF7yUHHU7AWoFdlpj60ax4XoRVr XHq2+DNHHB3m1wYysG7h0wECFstM0YgYwpg1Vw56QBvO5qrnMZ6KXvdaG4JqRWNsqqs1 OecWCgPaUEKzjmn1zQ5IY7cq138qtCHHquUXvWwVUJtSTYC3zvkaBTmH1Ky9qzxJdAoC UNrbadKydavsIZAuzrSUcDuhgfRU5Mv42yIihfM3Qpin/FRGb3q4O/7nQorqq+0nK2S2 cEoKD6IdmxM9J/jKibfgNxZVG1DWfv4b4X8ykV2vZVqXdj1SJOpSZLXeKvxYjzR2sgk/ hMrg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:openpgp:message-id :date:mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=E/AptahrE3OnP1jlnFx8DMEHtDtG5LLgorxZ/09QCwI=; b=a8bopYfXwKWzyPSWxFQGS7VM1iEnZEkTQ4mKbyukEVrWKSFTGp6cORqwwE47RwlQsk BYMVpbBLP6UuCbA0R3Lfnpwuod893+G8XJyMa+fS/K+x4P6X5V80s+toE6k5W7csn1xZ TN3hP5terlCSm1f9DT5i+aVN3TfGkDxNkmkH6m/fzffhqncVvTZ7NzW8xlC4p82034Ta +a397EOPxrJJq/pxcyHgg+K7kONSytRqqIkFSo8cXI6Fup/XcmCmFPvM3zciKFTIjRkJ LhLJ069uIfQYnEStPO8ikgtQ45vG1M0AoZN4MYApO45v2CETG/c+kRryv6cy98aRdNj/ MI7w== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUrCIDPnPByxXD+KYEPMpaopU2IYCGd4YrMCt2Lfp6RIPZcp2EY JNsU8f3rM3YlgOeA5jmyE+yMby4aN5c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QBfCTKFXlySTJvIPeDA5T2OGia3mZDNsB1xqsOZMVNqaunLmfZLOZSpMdgCQFbl7sku91pbzg== X-Received: by 10.200.27.116 with SMTP id p49mr15254342qtk.336.1508165269940; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.49] (pool-98-117-34-105.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net. [98.117.34.105]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m28sm4971048qtb.55.2017.10.16.07.47.48 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 xen trying to create linux domU instance To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Antoine Kallab Openpgp: id=5870720C756BF610BE543EC15C90A23465A95D66 Message-ID: <4a1f6aed-e10a-555a-2179-7e7b1ee7d464@kallab.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 10:47:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nEFFhNiuXUatvscRFk8sOUCqEWI68Bqim" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:47:51 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --nEFFhNiuXUatvscRFk8sOUCqEWI68Bqim Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="6Ri4Wo4TrQWl6PXLRePVkTCWXjtRrc6Cc"; protected-headers="v1" From: Antoine Kallab To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <4a1f6aed-e10a-555a-2179-7e7b1ee7d464@kallab.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 xen trying to create linux domU instance References: In-Reply-To: --6Ri4Wo4TrQWl6PXLRePVkTCWXjtRrc6Cc Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5F601574287D09BF6E6DDE58" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5F601574287D09BF6E6DDE58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/24/2017 06:10 AM, Frank Leonhardt wrote: >(And you may have noticed that the autobridge stuff in rc.conf doesn't p= lay anyway). 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Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:07:12 -0000 I have a requirement to run a program on an HP3000 computer that runs a Hewlett-Packard (HP) proprietary screen manager (VPLUS) for its user interface. This character based screen manager in turn depends upon a terminal that understand HP Block-Term commands. The only block mode HP terminal that we have left is the system console for said computer. I would rather run this program from my desktop. HP provides/provided a Unix based terminal emulator for their block mode terminals called HPTERM. My question is a forlorn hope but just in case one exists: does anyone know whether or not this program, or a functional clone of it, exists for FreeBSD? Thanks -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 16 16:42:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A943E3EE3E for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:42:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from charlie.d.osborne@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x22f.google.com (mail-lf0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F4FE2ED7 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:42:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from charlie.d.osborne@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id k40so17714072lfi.4 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:42:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=jNAPmtlJVW6ukTEfJONiJMpO53/D2y8+70f46lbUft8=; b=nUAy98XKlQKtvcwSh9qGj+hWOJPkbKlPWG5e81D9HbhuaGnULFYgTBI3KhNG8Zjdzg F24wg05+Ei/nLjpTORllEXbsUxNnojjGOGCbiJkcwpPGY+zYIJ6uWhpabkUdZSE460bE S68xYX2gSCdufQzC829wCJTbODpSzNjQD0Or+g7kZND691cDEMMS1qk95RRe2MkN8DMG hPDCQ4ffdaGw9d/SvbjbayjHn7AJnvylhxr0rAF6mV7xi6w7CDzkpqjSODDj5koNkutc q2mKKiYRAn133y569hpN31GnIwWrzGVZV7haauG4uhQpss/pZ3Hpu1dMcFOJhmQQJN3A 3chA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=jNAPmtlJVW6ukTEfJONiJMpO53/D2y8+70f46lbUft8=; b=PYBVTcwP6mqdmwtV8wVBFtxuJ9HjhXeF48sgkeGOJttAOMrHkpROYvaj7ka7LLNKv3 Hbb9cHGrSqNuRywvIZLKKOd1UwPupmx18icnnunSHWJJdBKj8rYF0969Qd6X3DIFWwea sxh/SxiiDVYZyptYcKiMBLUrdUDdfNTXjSUjvghh6Gw9jnXzRnVF1D7cH5xqmXKjSXkh EtjMsqKzfsCI0cuh0GRkFqKnhpHXd1OUlugfGJn1ZWzjxrGyRolatjMhYLW4mwPr+bK5 2ovTI+zEY9jfcpvJpvQrO7iYWtC8HfFB1skUXSKvZrC4tSFXBwe7zewYgMc1qEGPfOMc 1Ptw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVY8dNUDBxi4QWvChXLlXCE7M3J6Yn+sciSLGTmKio7nt+C3GNV cLhanHmD3udeN+E75Fy3DRSiNkEeAiMG7NvPItqSGw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+SMPf6LshZYOB+Ak/vtgDTLD6jqqqqXVgY3o7Jt7vMqTNsClzE0HjLABI0/mZtub1+FFEAG/5r/lHDPpTkMVt4= X-Received: by 10.46.43.145 with SMTP id r17mr4011204ljr.56.1508172124725; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:42:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.160.203 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:42:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Charlie Osborne Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:42:04 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Krack? comment req. To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:42:07 -0000 Afternoon, I was checking in to see if there is any official response to the Krack wifi attack? many thanks charlie From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 16 17:45:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC893E40133 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:45:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 523EA6443E for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id v9GHbvHB005088; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:37:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: HPTERM for FreeBSD To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5b0b7a704b85bb9a39da4c9b12b421d9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:37:57 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5b0b7a704b85bb9a39da4c9b12b421d9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:45:29 -0000 On 10/16/17 18:07, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > I have a requirement to run a program on an HP3000 computer that runs > a Hewlett-Packard (HP) proprietary screen manager (VPLUS) for its user > interface. This character based screen manager in turn depends upon a > terminal that understand HP Block-Term commands. The only block mode > HP terminal that we have left is the system console for said computer. > I would rather run this program from my desktop. > > HP provides/provided a Unix based terminal emulator for their block > mode terminals called HPTERM. > > My question is a forlorn hope but just in case one exists: does anyone > know whether or not this program, or a functional clone of it, exists > for FreeBSD? > > Thanks Maybe you'll find something here: https://www.stromasys.com/solutions/charon-hpa/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 16 18:37:34 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E933BE41B03 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 18:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B70A667A04 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 18:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B619662354; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:37:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3ZqSX2yyRTcx; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 941C760BBC; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:37:29 -0400 Message-ID: <706a0af9ae74b598d0c56947aa1c1cec.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: <5b0b7a704b85bb9a39da4c9b12b421d9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:37:29 -0400 Subject: Re: HPTERM for FreeBSD From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Bernt Hansson" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 18:37:35 -0000 On Mon, October 16, 2017 13:37, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Maybe you'll find something here: > > https://www.stromasys.com/solutions/charon-hpa/ > Charon is an MPE/iX emulator that runs as a VMWare guest on various flavours of Linux. Both elements are relatively expensive and together cost several orders of magnitude greater than an extra HP-700 series terminal. In any case neither would provide block-mode access to an existing hP3000 unit. There is/was an open source HP block-mode video terminal emulator named, I believe, HPXTerm. I built it once under CentOS-6.? As of yet I have not tried building anything under FreeBSD other than from the ports collection. I suppose I can go down that route if there is nothing else. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 16 19:21:31 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A30E42B50 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay11.qsc.de (mailrelay11.qsc.de [212.99.187.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F82B69514 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:21:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay11.qsc.de; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:21:21 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-193.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.193]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 773DD3CBF9; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:21:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v9GJLJUS002466; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:21:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:21:19 +0200 From: Polytropon To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" , "Bernt Hansson" Subject: Re: HPTERM for FreeBSD Message-Id: <20171016212119.8f59e996.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <706a0af9ae74b598d0c56947aa1c1cec.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> References: <5b0b7a704b85bb9a39da4c9b12b421d9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <706a0af9ae74b598d0c56947aa1c1cec.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay11.qsc.de with 07C116A3591 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1632 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:21:31 -0000 On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:37:29 -0400, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On Mon, October 16, 2017 13:37, Bernt Hansson wrote: > > > > Maybe you'll find something here: > > > > https://www.stromasys.com/solutions/charon-hpa/ > > > > Charon is an MPE/iX emulator that runs as a VMWare guest on various > flavours of Linux. Both elements are relatively expensive and > together cost several orders of magnitude greater than an extra HP-700 > series terminal. In any case neither would provide block-mode access > to an existing hP3000 unit. > > There is/was an open source HP block-mode video terminal emulator > named, I believe, HPXTerm. I built it once under CentOS-6.? As of > yet I have not tried building anything under FreeBSD other than from > the ports collection. I suppose I can go down that route if there is > nothing else. I assume the HP terminal emulation isn't compatible to anything else that exists? IBM 3270 maybe? In such a case, x3270 (from the Ports collection) could work... Sadly I cannot provide better suggestions as I've only dealt a few times with HP-UX CDE. :-/ -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 16 19:38:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B637E430EB for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A743669DD2 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from testbox.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id v9GJcYwR005352; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:38:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: HPTERM for FreeBSD To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5b0b7a704b85bb9a39da4c9b12b421d9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <706a0af9ae74b598d0c56947aa1c1cec.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:38:34 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <706a0af9ae74b598d0c56947aa1c1cec.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:38:41 -0000 On 10/16/17 20:37, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Mon, October 16, 2017 13:37, Bernt Hansson wrote: > > >> Maybe you'll find something here: >> >> https://www.stromasys.com/solutions/charon-hpa/ >> > Charon is an MPE/iX emulator that runs as a VMWare guest on various > flavours of Linux. Both elements are relatively expensive and > together cost several orders of magnitude greater than an extra HP-700 > series terminal. In any case neither would provide block-mode access > to an existing hP3000 unit. > > There is/was an open source HP block-mode video terminal emulator > named, I believe, HPXTerm. I built it once under CentOS-6.? As of > yet I have not tried building anything under FreeBSD other than from > the ports collection. I suppose I can go down that route if there is > nothing else. Belive I found something called freevt3k. *freevt3k*.sourceforge.net Hope this get you further. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 16 19:44:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DFDE43433 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:44:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53C356A1B5 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:44:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF42623AD; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 15:44:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fh0xhs2nVbBz; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 15:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 236F9623AB; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 15:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 15:44:09 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <5b0b7a704b85bb9a39da4c9b12b421d9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <706a0af9ae74b598d0c56947aa1c1cec.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 15:44:09 -0400 Subject: Re: HPTERM for FreeBSD From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Bernt Hansson" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 19:44:14 -0000 On Mon, October 16, 2017 15:38, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Belive I found something called freevt3k. > > *freevt3k*.sourceforge.net > > > Hope this get you further. > Thank you for your efforts. They are appreciated. I have freevt3k already running on CentOS. It and HPxTerm are more or less in the same tarball. freevt3k is a character mode emulator only. Block mode is an entirely different beast which HPxTerm attempts to handle. I am just trying to avoid having to build these things all over again and deal with the inevitable dependency issues that will arise from switching platforms from Linux to FreeBSD. I am just not that adventurous any more. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 16 20:00:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F346CE43AFB for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:00:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C35B36AA70 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:00:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6886238D; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:00:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UCiP1eK2k9PR; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A5DF621DB; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:00:54 -0400 Message-ID: <0741e74fd97cd70e72365db5db84af4b.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: <20171016212119.8f59e996.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <5b0b7a704b85bb9a39da4c9b12b421d9.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <706a0af9ae74b598d0c56947aa1c1cec.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <20171016212119.8f59e996.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:00:54 -0400 Subject: Re: HPTERM for FreeBSD From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Polytropon" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:00:58 -0000 On Mon, October 16, 2017 15:21, Polytropon wrote: > > I assume the HP terminal emulation isn't compatible to anything > else that exists? IBM 3270 maybe? In such a case, x3270 (from the > Ports collection) could work... No, HP block-mode is specific to the HP 2640/A video terminal and its descendants. To begin with the terminal uses ASCII encoding whereas the 3270 is, well, IBM; and that means EBCDIC, which is like nothing else in the known universe. > > Sadly I cannot provide better suggestions as I've only dealt > a few times with HP-UX CDE. :-/ > The Source Forge links to the code and svn repository are defunct (surprise!, surprise!, surprise!). Fortunately, I have the tarball for Freevt3k as of AD 2009. That is the last time anyone worked on the code base to my knowledge. If I cannot get anything else then I will try and build ithat on FreeBSD. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 16 20:28:56 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEA7E445A7 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:28:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4822B6C053 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:28:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v9GKSsss032211 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:28:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [192.168.43.26] (saphire3.sentex.net [192.168.43.26]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v9GKSqmb062528; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:28:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: Krack? comment req. To: Charlie Osborne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:28:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:28:56 -0000 On 10/16/2017 12:42 PM, Charlie Osborne wrote: > Afternoon, > I was checking in to see if there is any official response to the Krack > wifi attack? > many thanks Nothing official, but there is an active thread here about whats happening right now https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2017-October/067190.html ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Oct 16 21:12:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5991E4556B for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:12:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nospam@mgedv.net) Received: from mail.mgedv.net (mail.mgedv.net [83.64.34.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5D66D77F for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:12:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nospam@mgedv.net) Received: from my.loop (client.my.loop [255.255.255.255]) From: "no@spam@mgedv.net" To: Subject: pf/nat guru needed: fwd of packet to 255.255.255.255 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:50:28 +0200 Message-ID: <002101d346c0$65ef67d0$31ce3770$@mgedv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdNGwEpwlt3jubVPTNWsuFOBK9i3kQ== Content-Language: de-at X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:12:29 -0000 hi folks, short: anyone out there knows, how to redir & forward packets to 255.255.255.255? preface: i need to get a crappy, stupid, very (!) wrong programmed device running. and i know this crapdev violates RFCs, so this is the wrong story for RTFM hints ;) the BSD box setup: freebsd 11.1, amd64. - interface "A": 10.10.21.1/24, MTU1500 - interface "B": 10.10.22.1/24, MTU1500 the (crapdev) source generates an ipv4 UDP packet as follows: - source address 10.10.21.11, port >1023 - target hw addr: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff - target ipv4 addr: 255.255.255.255 port 4444 - payload ~ 500 bytes, so it fits inside 1 packet. the bsd box receives the packet on interface A. i tried really ALL imaginable rdr / nat options. the "most close to success" rule was: rdr pass log (all) on $if_A $pr_udp from $ip_crapdev $p_high to $ip_bcast $p_4444 -> $ip_bc_B $p_4444 ... which obviously does not work. the translation succeeds, as soon as the traffic is allowed, a state is created. but no packet leaves the BSD box at all - checked with monitor ports on switch. is there any rule method i can force the packet to leave the BSD box ever again? best case: on interface B, either to a unicast or bcast addr on B's subnet? any help is appreciated. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 17 02:56:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B96E28363 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 02:56:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from b-painless.mh.aa.net.uk (b-painless.mh.aa.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3836B7E5A6 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 02:56:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from woodcruft.co.uk ([81.187.27.248] helo=lime.woodcruft.co.uk) by b-painless.mh.aa.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e4I3a-0002yH-LF; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 03:56:38 +0100 Received: by lime.woodcruft.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BC2ED416D; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 03:56:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 03:56:29 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Charlie Osborne Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Krack? comment req. Message-ID: <20171017025629.GB96250@woodcruft.co.uk> Reply-To: Frank Shute Mail-Followup-To: Charlie Osborne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XF85m9dhOBO43t/C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'woodcruft.co.uk' X-PGP-Key: http://woodcruft.co.uk/misc/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 02:56:41 -0000 --XF85m9dhOBO43t/C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 05:42:04PM +0100, Charlie Osborne wrote: > > Afternoon, > I was checking in to see if there is any official response to the Krack > wifi attack? > many thanks > charlie This came out after you posted: =20 https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2017-October/001805.ht= ml freebsd-announce@ is one mailing list all freebsd users should be subscribed to. 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To: Frank Shute , Charlie Osborne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 04:09:45 -0000 thanks guys, i'll update now! cheers, charlie On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 3:56 AM, Frank Shute wrote: > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 05:42:04PM +0100, Charlie Osborne wrote: > > > > Afternoon, > > I was checking in to see if there is any official response to the Krack > > wifi attack? > > many thanks > > charlie > > This came out after you posted: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/ > 2017-October/001805.html > > freebsd-announce@ is one mailing list all freebsd users should be > subscribed to. > > Folks can subscribe here: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-announce > > > Regards, > > -- > > Frank > > > -- Charlie Osborne Writer, CBS Interactive: ZDNet | CNET | CBSi charlieosborne.com Twitter | Facebook | G+ | LinkedIn From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 17 10:31:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5C0E35FAE for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:31:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@bara1.se) Received: from smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (smtprelay-h22.telenor.se [195.54.99.197]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5473C67144 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@bara1.se) Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA8CDA55 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:07:46 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [195.54.99.213] X-LISTENER: [smtp.glocalnet.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2CzAADh299ZmNVjNsNeHQEFAQsBhS8ujwaOPoIDliIOggQHiX9AFwECAQEBAQEBARMBAQEBAQgLCwYoL4ZZEyEFGIpmAa4Ui18Pgy2CB4gigwQsAmKCdoIyBYoPiSKFM4hggW2ScA2CFJB8iiGNAyABgUQyIQgySYUqgXWLOgGBEAEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A2CzAADh299ZmNVjNsNeHQEFAQsBhS8ujwaOPoIDliIOggQHiX9AFwECAQEBAQEBARMBAQEBAQgLCwYoL4ZZEyEFGIpmAa4Ui18Pgy2CB4gigwQsAmKCdoIyBYoPiSKFM4hggW2ScA2CFJB8iiGNAyABgUQyIQgySYUqgXWLOgGBEAEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,368,1503352800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="1218229627" Received: from smtprelay-b22.telenor.se ([195.54.99.213]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 17 Oct 2017 12:07:45 +0200 Received: from ipb5.telenor.se (ipb5.telenor.se [195.54.127.168]) by smtprelay-b22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A350AE8D9B for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:07:45 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.227.12.184] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,368,1503352800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="791706264" Received: from ua-85-227-12-184.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO ymer.bara1.se) ([85.227.12.184]) by ipb5.telenor.se with ESMTP; 17 Oct 2017 12:07:46 +0200 Received: by ymer.bara1.se (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E76EA5E891; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:07:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:07:44 +0200 From: User Hasse To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Problems updating mariadb102-server Message-ID: <20171017100744.GA7455@ymer.bara1.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: https://www.bara1.se/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:31:12 -0000 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello I have problems updating mariadb102-server-10.2.9 and Client. I'm using portmaster, and the command "portmaster -a" and this is the respond I get : ===>>> Creating a backup package for old version mariadb102-client-10.2.9 Creating package for mariadb102-client-10.2.9 Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) Deinstallation has been requested for the following 1 packages (of 0 packages in the universe): Installed packages to be REMOVED: mariadb102-client-10.2.9 Number of packages to be removed: 1 The operation will free 32 MiB. [1/1] Deinstalling mariadb102-client-10.2.9... [1/1] Deleting files for mariadb102-client-10.2.9: 100% ===>>> Starting check for runtime dependencies ===>>> Gathering dependency list for databases/mariadb102-client from ports ===>>> Dependency check complete for databases/mariadb102-client ===>>> All >> mariadb102-client-10.2.9 (1/2) ===> Installing for mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1 ===> Checking if mariadb102-client already installed ===> Registering installation for mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1 Installing mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1... pkg-static: mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1 conflicts with mariadb102-server-10.2.9 (installs files into the same place). Problematic file: /usr/local/include/mysql/my_config.h *** Error code 70 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/databases/mariadb102-client *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/databases/mariadb102-client ===>>> A backup package for mariadb102-client-10.2.9 should be located in /usr/ports/packages/portmaster-backup ===>>> Installation of mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1 (databases/mariadb102-client) failed ===>>> Aborting update ===>>> Update for databases/mariadb102-client failed ===>>> Aborting update ===>>> You can restart from the point of failure with this command line: portmaster databases/mariadb102-client databases/mariadb102-server This command has been saved to /tmp/portmasterfail.txt Any suggestions on how I can solve this ? Best Regards Geir Svalland. --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAEBCgB9FiEEZmmwl+ajAr4eHVHbDLsBtTa490kFAlnl1kNfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDY2 NjlCMDk3RTZBMzAyQkUxRTFENTFEQjBDQkIwMUI1MzZCOEY3NDkACgkQDLsBtTa4 90kmSwgA2CKahTK0Sucq7lMwq7v0AQk2n2u8RkB6uHVILpM9Q5j4P0kHN9+gitkQ H0T+uA/+U+ntiMCjLWe6nNgBcyAPCePnJm1nXB670wqndr/fuiTFWPXNAgqWuer5 EonbbWM7b2o4o7d8ol56D8xkr6L4z6IB/CplAGvLBP0HtMJ2/+yR11/YgwH2by+P getzfPqzLAAJgTM1zCzRMgrQ8WIfig3VmiG5gRY0DWJV8ByUu4INeEUuFA1pfGft 0lj9VAzC+NVdPk0kqJLc+sMUYPa3l3J6GJ9h/n9q9bfZSMnoepLENaqvXAtJEqW3 2/jF6Oro/VTuXi7dtUP9LRRrpGJ1ag== =Ambz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 17 11:52:24 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C620DE379C6 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 11:52:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6B33698D4 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 11:52:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1e4QP1-00064S-A9; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 05:51:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 05:51:19 -0600 From: The Doctor To: User Hasse Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems updating mariadb102-server Message-ID: <20171017115119.GA17282@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20171017100744.GA7455@ymer.bara1.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171017100744.GA7455@ymer.bara1.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 11:52:24 -0000 On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:07:44PM +0200, User Hasse wrote: > Hello > I have problems updating mariadb102-server-10.2.9 and Client. > I'm using portmaster, and the command "portmaster -a" and this is the respond I get : > > > ===>>> Creating a backup package for old version mariadb102-client-10.2.9 > Creating package for mariadb102-client-10.2.9 > Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) > Deinstallation has been requested for the following 1 packages (of 0 packages in the universe): > > Installed packages to be REMOVED: > mariadb102-client-10.2.9 > > Number of packages to be removed: 1 > > The operation will free 32 MiB. > [1/1] Deinstalling mariadb102-client-10.2.9... > [1/1] Deleting files for mariadb102-client-10.2.9: 100% > > ===>>> Starting check for runtime dependencies > ===>>> Gathering dependency list for databases/mariadb102-client from ports > ===>>> Dependency check complete for databases/mariadb102-client > > ===>>> All >> mariadb102-client-10.2.9 (1/2) > > ===> Installing for mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1 > ===> Checking if mariadb102-client already installed > ===> Registering installation for mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1 > Installing mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1... > pkg-static: mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1 conflicts with mariadb102-server-10.2.9 (installs files into the same place). Problematic file: /usr/local/include/mysql/my_config.h > *** Error code 70 > > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/databases/mariadb102-client > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make: stopped in /usr/ports/databases/mariadb102-client > > ===>>> A backup package for mariadb102-client-10.2.9 should > be located in /usr/ports/packages/portmaster-backup > > ===>>> Installation of mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1 (databases/mariadb102-client) failed > ===>>> Aborting update > > ===>>> Update for databases/mariadb102-client failed > ===>>> Aborting update > > > ===>>> You can restart from the point of failure with this command line: > portmaster databases/mariadb102-client databases/mariadb102-server > > This command has been saved to /tmp/portmasterfail.txt > > > Any suggestions on how I can solve this ? > > Best Regards > Geir Svalland. > make deinstall both databases/mariadb102-client and databases/mariadb102-server make then make reinstall both. Do not do a service mysql-server stop nor restart while you rebuild mariadb ! -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism Talk Sense to a fool and he calls you foolish - Euripides From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 17 13:18:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33D8E3A3E7 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 13:18:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=rwhw=bq=sigsegv.be=kristof@codepro.be) Received: from venus.codepro.be (venus.codepro.be [IPv6:2a01:4f8:162:1127::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.codepro.be", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B2886C9DD for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 13:18:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srs0=rwhw=bq=sigsegv.be=kristof@codepro.be) Received: from [192.168.228.1] (vega.codepro.be [IPv6:2a01:4f8:162:1127::3]) (Authenticated sender: kp) by venus.codepro.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F08241F206; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 15:18:26 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sigsegv.be; s=mail; t=1508246307; bh=pCAX0i1xHHLjPvWrtzL31h15FVQojtD6E9UfiHjkOg8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=U2e5dncDKZX/gsvluD0jx/ZzEQd9Ynz3RhNmuNVhFHzVOkwaWn2nlgM/fpQEJTQVW hZi0t2+UyLMf4GCOCHt+iLr48QIR5i3uJSjzkoDTKICEPgQAcsR9+IeGPL0OdmPw0j /6Ep3+xLMYGFQA6CO2UKhZ01M0G5Yajspk44egvw= From: "Kristof Provost" To: "no@spam@mgedv.net" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pf/nat guru needed: fwd of packet to 255.255.255.255 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 15:18:40 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101d346c0$65ef67d0$31ce3770$@mgedv.net> References: <002101d346c0$65ef67d0$31ce3770$@mgedv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0BETAr6093) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 13:18:29 -0000 On 16 Oct 2017, at 22:50, no@spam@mgedv.net wrote: > hi folks, > > short: anyone out there knows, how to redir & forward packets to > 255.255.255.255? > > preface: i need to get a crappy, stupid, very (!) wrong programmed > device > running. > and i know this crapdev violates RFCs, so this is the wrong story for > RTFM > hints ;) > > the BSD box setup: > freebsd 11.1, amd64. > - interface "A": 10.10.21.1/24, MTU1500 > - interface "B": 10.10.22.1/24, MTU1500 > > the (crapdev) source generates an ipv4 UDP packet as follows: > - source address 10.10.21.11, port >1023 > - target hw addr: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > - target ipv4 addr: 255.255.255.255 port 4444 > - payload ~ 500 bytes, so it fits inside 1 packet. > I would not be surprised if that packet also has a TTL of 1. In fact, I’d consider it a bug if it had a different value. You could probably set a scrub rule to change it, so the packet can be forwarded, but I’d be very tempted to just run a proxy for this, rather than trying to fix it with pf. It might even be possible to get the appropriate socat incantation to do it, so maybe you don’t even need to write any code for this. Regards, Kristof From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 17 16:26:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96ACE3F5FD for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@bara1.se) Received: from smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (smtprelay-b12.telenor.se [62.127.194.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FFC773D9B for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:26:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@bara1.se) Received: from ipb4.telenor.se (ipb4.telenor.se [195.54.127.167]) by smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C532CC2B for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:23:03 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [195.54.99.213] X-LISTENER: [smtp.glocalnet.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2AWAACh299ZmNVjNsNeGQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBBwEBAQEBhS8ujhJ0jj6Bdg2WIg6CBAeFPgKEPz8YAQIBAQEBAQEBEwEBAQEBCAsLBigvhR4BAgN5EAsYCRMSDwUYMYo1Aa4TizwBAQEHAQEBAQEUD4MtggeGZYE9gwQsAoNYgjIFig+JIo4TlF0NghSQfIohjQMfgUYyIQgySYUqgXWLOgGBEAEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A2AWAACh299ZmNVjNsNeGQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBBwEBAQEBhS8ujhJ0jj6Bdg2WIg6CBAeFPgKEPz8YAQIBAQEBAQEBEwEBAQEBCAsLBigvhR4BAgN5EAsYCRMSDwUYMYo1Aa4TizwBAQEHAQEBAQEUD4MtggeGZYE9gwQsAoNYgjIFig+JIo4TlF0NghSQfIohjQMfgUYyIQgySYUqgXWLOgGBEAEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,368,1503352800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="792066537" Received: from smtprelay-b22.telenor.se ([195.54.99.213]) by ipb4.telenor.se with ESMTP; 17 Oct 2017 17:56:22 +0200 Received: from ipb3.telenor.se (ipb3.telenor.se [195.54.127.166]) by smtprelay-b22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD15C149; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 17:56:21 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.227.12.184] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,368,1503352800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="1695221255" Received: from ua-85-227-12-184.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO ymer.bara1.se) ([85.227.12.184]) by ipb3.telenor.se with ESMTP; 17 Oct 2017 17:56:20 +0200 Received: by ymer.bara1.se (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 67AF14E212; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 17:56:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 17:56:20 +0200 From: User Hasse To: The Doctor Cc: User Hasse , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems updating mariadb102-server Message-ID: <20171017155620.GA8535@ymer.bara1.se> References: <20171017100744.GA7455@ymer.bara1.se> <20171017115119.GA17282@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171017115119.GA17282@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> X-PGP-Key: https://www.bara1.se/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:26:06 -0000 --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 05:51:19AM -0600, The Doctor wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:07:44PM +0200, User Hasse wrote: > > Hello > > I have problems updating mariadb102-server-10.2.9 and Client. > > I'm using portmaster, and the command "portmaster -a" and this is the r= espond I get : > >=20 > > > > =3D=3D=3D>>> Creating a backup package for old version mariadb102-clien= t-10.2.9 > > Creating package for mariadb102-client-10.2.9 > > Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) > > Deinstallation has been requested for the following 1 packages (of 0 pa= ckages in the universe): > >=20 > > Installed packages to be REMOVED: > > mariadb102-client-10.2.9 > >=20 > > Number of packages to be removed: 1 > >=20 > > The operation will free 32 MiB. > > [1/1] Deinstalling mariadb102-client-10.2.9... > > [1/1] Deleting files for mariadb102-client-10.2.9: 100% > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D>>> Starting check for runtime dependencies > > =3D=3D=3D>>> Gathering dependency list for databases/mariadb102-client = =66rom ports > > =3D=3D=3D>>> Dependency check complete for databases/mariadb102-client > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D>>> All >> mariadb102-client-10.2.9 (1/2) > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D> Installing for mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1 > > =3D=3D=3D> Checking if mariadb102-client already installed > > =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1 > > Installing mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1... > > pkg-static: mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1 conflicts with mariadb102-server= -10.2.9 (installs files into the same place). Problematic file: /usr/local= /include/mysql/my_config.h > > *** Error code 70 > >=20 > > Stop. > > make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/databases/mariadb102-client > > *** Error code 1 > >=20 > > Stop. > > make: stopped in /usr/ports/databases/mariadb102-client > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D>>> A backup package for mariadb102-client-10.2.9 should > > be located in /usr/ports/packages/portmaster-backup > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D>>> Installation of mariadb102-client-10.2.9_1 (databases/mari= adb102-client) failed > > =3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D>>> Update for databases/mariadb102-client failed > > =3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update > >=20 > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D>>> You can restart from the point of failure with this comman= d line: > > portmaster databases/mariadb102-client databases/mariadb= 102-server > >=20 > > This command has been saved to /tmp/portmasterfail.txt > > > >=20 > > Any suggestions on how I can solve this ? > >=20 > > Best Regards > > Geir Svalland. > >=20 >=20 > make deinstall both databases/mariadb102-client and databases/mariadb102-= server >=20 > make then make reinstall both. >=20 > Do not do a service mysql-server stop nor restart while you rebuild > mariadb ! >=20 >=20 Thank you very much. /Geir. --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAEBCgB9FiEEZmmwl+ajAr4eHVHbDLsBtTa490kFAlnmKBdfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDY2 NjlCMDk3RTZBMzAyQkUxRTFENTFEQjBDQkIwMUI1MzZCOEY3NDkACgkQDLsBtTa4 90nmzAgApes2oUkvDF71Hu7IcRDpR7IqfERcnh4gSrg7BIy1Uly3Z+b2/4ChllXM 1vO9ItXvbsbQIrq6yq943i7+yfAfAvFf0WmGAat8jKc8KeHqY8MJqyGoRGog9Bza a7IIxxxGbO3Ef3VJYX1pVL0IrrfYlKbWb/IiBzgLHEnApEMw/5exOH28+S+OreF7 /BJe9nNdl9uh6ihry8WwzGlJFCLZYgYI2qY/nNsY/V8HkxHKDAge0zcoJTpgaFpx CIHqncyPG4AED16iHi1yB5FJkLEl08xhBEPFjZ4GCZkH+864p/nW4OROCDqLwBZL uPgh80LXUI0m8gYluG5AuTI8c7c0RA== =IpmF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 17 18:31:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2A7E43AEC for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:31:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F1477DA5C for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:31:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [10.144.193.19] ([148.252.129.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v9HIUU1W089452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:30:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <7AB396F429EEB6890100F082@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <8C8E7D66788801594EC0FC4C@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20171008100017.30ab5987.freebsd@edvax.de> <88D321A2CCD516AEF39DE8C3@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1984508980.4145408.1507553196491@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Scripting problem From: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:30:20 +0100 To: Warren Block , Paul Pathiakis CC: Paul Schmehl , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <5D3BAA54-3229-4472-8A4D-A10D3F3F07D9@fjl.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:31:06 -0000 On 12 October 2017 00:01:55 BST, Warren Block wrote: >On Mon, 9 Oct 2017, Paul Pathiakis wrote: > >>> Quoting is sh's biggest weakness. Well, that and lack of basic data >>> structures, and the weak logical structures, and so on. >> >> ### Well, yes and no. I consider it both a strength and a weakness. I >find sh to be exactly what I think of a scripting language to be... >glue. I don't >> expect to write a fully versed program in sh. I wouldn't be using sh >for that. I find sh to be that 'tool' to use when I want to call other >tools and >> utilities. (sed, awk, tr, etc) >> >> ### I think people have gone way too far in creating 'scripting' >languages that are more programming languages than scripting.... >Personally, I tried >> learning PERL which tries to be everything to regex. The problem? >Lack of coherence... "I can do this 5 different ways in PERL" Is that >supposed to be a >> good thing when all five seem to execute at different speeds, using >different resources, etc? (apologies to Larry Wall and the rest) > >The multiple domains that are utterly different are not just in Perl. >In sh, you can use sed and awk, which have very little overlap. In >fact, you pretty much have to use sed *and* awk, because each is not >quite powerful enough to do particular jobs. Or use Perl, >which is a superset of both. > >The trouble with sh is that it is so weak that it takes a lot of code >to >accomplish anything. That comes back to haunt the programmer in the >long >term, because simpler, shorter programs that use more powerful >constructs are much easier to maintain. > >Perl is much-maligned, but every time I rewrite a shell script in Perl >it gets shorter and easier to maintain. Or longer and more powerful. >Python and Ruby are similar. > >>> Someone once said that if a script is longer than twenty lines or >so, >>> it probably ought to be done in a real scripting langugage. That was > >>> me, but Stephen Bourne has also said it. Yes, that Stephen Bourne. >> >> ### I'll go off a little on this with kind of a corollary.... No sh >script should be more than 20 lines, however, I typically will call >shell scripts from >> other scripts. But I do agree, if you want to program, use a >programming language. (IMHO, C is still the best, most powerful >language around but, again, >> read a book, talk to the people who are in the know - My 'C' guru is >a guy who has written code that utterly shocked me in its elegance, >execution, and >> simplicity - and the occasional "You can do something like that in >C?" thoughts running through my head.) > >The distinction between programming and "scripting" has always been >artificial to me. You write a series of instructions for a computer, >that's a program. Give me powerful tools, I'm not interested in doing >it the hard way to build character. I have enough character. What I >want back is the time I spend trying to fix sh scripts. Interesting debate this. Personally I have always regarded sh as a Job Control Language. Probably showing my age. As such it's intended for controlling jobs written in 'C' (being Unix). All it had to do is put the data in the right place for input, and arrange for the output to end up where it should. In no way should it be used for implementing an algorithm. Now people are trying to write programs in it. Why? I suspect its because people haven't invested the time to learn a programming language, as it's quicker to find some cunning way of perverting the JCL one problem at a time. Do spreadsheet macros count as programming? I've seen complete business management systems written in Excel macros. Unmaintainable and flaky, but I'm in awe that anyone did it. And if I get too sniffy about the use of structured "proper" languages, I think back to the days of assembler and even machine code. Do the primitive building blocks of assembler count as programming? It's hard to argue otherwise, so therefore the primitive building blocks of sh have to count too. That said, I was really happy when I could start using 'C' in the early 1980's. The perfect blend of convenience and control of the CPU. You do need to invest the time to learn a compiled language like 'C'. Friendly interpreted languages are considered cheaper to use because the staff need less training - or assumed to be. I'm not so sure. -- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 17 18:31:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197CEE43B6F for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:31:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6F9D7DB36 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [10.144.193.19] ([148.252.129.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v9HIVTp8089563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:31:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <4a1f6aed-e10a-555a-2179-7e7b1ee7d464@kallab.com> References: <4a1f6aed-e10a-555a-2179-7e7b1ee7d464@kallab.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 xen trying to create linux domU instance From: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:30:27 +0100 To: Antoine Kallab , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:31:33 -0000 On 16 October 2017 15:47:30 BST, Antoine Kallab wrote: >On 08/24/2017 06:10 AM, Frank Leonhardt wrote: >>(And you may have noticed that the autobridge stuff in rc.conf doesn't >play anyway). > >Would you mind sharing what /does/ work for you? > I'll write an article when I have it right; that means I must know why it works too! I set up a bridge from the command line each time so its different. The trick was DHCP. I have no idea what SYNCDHCP is all about, but it barfs when I use it. I have a DHCP server running on the Dom0 but I think any DHCP server will do. However, if you don't have one (more likely) you can specify the IP address on the line after the addm. I.e. ifconfig bridge0 addm 192.168.1.7 I have it working fine, but more through luck than brains st present. Regards, Frank. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 17 18:56:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C968E445E4 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:56:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay10.qsc.de (mailrelay10.qsc.de [212.99.163.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA0D97E847 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:56:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay10.qsc.de; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:56:30 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-193.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.193]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D82973CBF9; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:56:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v9HIuP1Q002828; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:56:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:56:25 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Cc: Warren Block , Paul Pathiakis , Paul Schmehl , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Scripting problem Message-Id: <20171017205625.5690c9f0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5D3BAA54-3229-4472-8A4D-A10D3F3F07D9@fjl.co.uk> References: <7AB396F429EEB6890100F082@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <8C8E7D66788801594EC0FC4C@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20171008100017.30ab5987.freebsd@edvax.de> <88D321A2CCD516AEF39DE8C3@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1984508980.4145408.1507553196491@mail.yahoo.com> <5D3BAA54-3229-4472-8A4D-A10D3F3F07D9@fjl.co.uk> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay10.qsc.de with CCFCD6836A7 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1743 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:07:42 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:56:39 -0000 On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:30:20 +0100, Frank Leonhardt (m) wrote: > > > On 12 October 2017 00:01:55 BST, Warren Block wrote: > >On Mon, 9 Oct 2017, Paul Pathiakis wrote: > > > >>> Quoting is sh's biggest weakness. Well, that and lack of basic data > >>> structures, and the weak logical structures, and so on. > >> > >> ### Well, yes and no. I consider it both a strength and a weakness. I > >find sh to be exactly what I think of a scripting language to be... > >glue. I don't > >> expect to write a fully versed program in sh. I wouldn't be using sh > >for that. I find sh to be that 'tool' to use when I want to call other > >tools and > >> utilities. (sed, awk, tr, etc) > >> > >> ### I think people have gone way too far in creating 'scripting' > >languages that are more programming languages than scripting.... > >Personally, I tried > >> learning PERL which tries to be everything to regex. The problem? > >Lack of coherence... "I can do this 5 different ways in PERL" Is that > >supposed to be a > >> good thing when all five seem to execute at different speeds, using > >different resources, etc? (apologies to Larry Wall and the rest) > > > >The multiple domains that are utterly different are not just in Perl. > >In sh, you can use sed and awk, which have very little overlap. In > >fact, you pretty much have to use sed *and* awk, because each is not > >quite powerful enough to do particular jobs. Or use Perl, > >which is a superset of both. > > > >The trouble with sh is that it is so weak that it takes a lot of code > >to > >accomplish anything. That comes back to haunt the programmer in the > >long > >term, because simpler, shorter programs that use more powerful > >constructs are much easier to maintain. > > > >Perl is much-maligned, but every time I rewrite a shell script in Perl > >it gets shorter and easier to maintain. Or longer and more powerful. > >Python and Ruby are similar. > > > >>> Someone once said that if a script is longer than twenty lines or > >so, > >>> it probably ought to be done in a real scripting langugage. That was > > > >>> me, but Stephen Bourne has also said it. Yes, that Stephen Bourne. > >> > >> ### I'll go off a little on this with kind of a corollary.... No sh > >script should be more than 20 lines, however, I typically will call > >shell scripts from > >> other scripts. But I do agree, if you want to program, use a > >programming language. (IMHO, C is still the best, most powerful > >language around but, again, > >> read a book, talk to the people who are in the know - My 'C' guru is > >a guy who has written code that utterly shocked me in its elegance, > >execution, and > >> simplicity - and the occasional "You can do something like that in > >C?" thoughts running through my head.) > > > >The distinction between programming and "scripting" has always been > >artificial to me. You write a series of instructions for a computer, > >that's a program. Give me powerful tools, I'm not interested in doing > >it the hard way to build character. I have enough character. What I > >want back is the time I spend trying to fix sh scripts. > > > Interesting debate this. Personally I have always regarded > sh as a Job Control Language. Probably showing my age. Well... JCL is more like a "declarative thing", comparable at least a bit to Solaris SMF, or maybe even systemd... :-) Using those "characteristic classes" (or programming paradigms), sh would be an "imperative thing", as it causes actions directly, instead of having a different subsystem dealing with the actual programs depending on descriptive text, i. e., the job deck. > As such it's intended for controlling jobs written in 'C' > (being Unix). All it had to do is put the data in the right > place for input, and arrange for the output to end up where > it should. In no way should it be used for implementing an > algorithm. Additionally, sh is - like JCL - a tool to _combine_ programs (the steps inside a job), when they need to be run in a certain order depending on exit code, or piping the output of one step to the input of the next step. > Now people are trying to write programs in it. Why? I suspect > its because people haven't invested the time to learn a > programming language, as it's quicker to find some cunning > way of perverting the JCL one problem at a time. One of the "stupidest" (and actually quite clever) things is using the null program IEFBR14 (equivalent to /usr/bin/true) to do things like file creation or deletion. As you see, even the strictly controlled JCL does actually allow you to do stupid things, because that's needed in order to do clever things with it. :-) > Do spreadsheet macros count as programming? I've seen complete > business management systems written in Excel macros. > Unmaintainable and flaky, but I'm in awe that anyone did it. You can write good and bad code basically in any language. Some languages encourage bad ideas, bad style, errors, or "put everything into one place", other languages demand a certain education and experience to be a good tool (other than the "shoot your foot" kind of tool). > And if I get too sniffy about the use of structured "proper" > languages, I think back to the days of assembler and even > machine code. Do the primitive building blocks of assembler > count as programming? It's hard to argue otherwise, so > therefore the primitive building blocks of sh have to count > too. They _are_ building blocks, and using them to solve an actual program can validly be called programming. I don't see any problem here. > That said, I was really happy when I could start using 'C' > in the early 1980's. The perfect blend of convenience and > control of the CPU. No matter which new programming language I learned during my "career", I always come back to C as my favorite language. I'm not stupid enough to claim "one size fits all" for C, as certain tasks can be easier be solved with different tools. But if you wanted, there would be no problem writing a feature-rich LOB CRUD bullshit application in C. However, the language doesn't deserve such a treatment. :-) > You do need to invest the time to learn a compiled language > like 'C'. Friendly interpreted languages are considered > cheaper to use because the staff need less training - or > assumed to be. I'm not so sure. The costs you save on proper training will later return as costs for maintenance, bugfixes, and expensive consultants to save your ass in case of fire. The common "business thinking" is short-term costs vs. long-term costs. Build something for cheap that partially works - make money. Bugs? Deal with them later on, or just leave it. It's a hackathon project anyway so some venture capitalist will pay $100M for "the next big thing"... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 17 20:45:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BCAE472E1 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:45:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 213B282F7B for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:45:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v9HKj2ha045397 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:45:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id v9HKj2p9045394; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:45:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:45:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" cc: Paul Pathiakis , Paul Schmehl , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Scripting problem In-Reply-To: <5D3BAA54-3229-4472-8A4D-A10D3F3F07D9@fjl.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <7AB396F429EEB6890100F082@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <8C8E7D66788801594EC0FC4C@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20171008100017.30ab5987.freebsd@edvax.de> <88D321A2CCD516AEF39DE8C3@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1984508980.4145408.1507553196491@mail.yahoo.com> <5D3BAA54-3229-4472-8A4D-A10D3F3F07D9@fjl.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:45:03 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:45:29 -0000 On Tue, 17 Oct 2017, Frank Leonhardt (m) wrote: > > Interesting debate this. Personally I have always regarded sh as a Job Control Language. Probably showing my age. I've noticed that job control languages try to fill in for weaknesses in the programming languages available on the same system. Somtimes these are just perceived weaknesses. > As such it's intended for controlling jobs written in 'C' (being Unix). All it had to do is put the data in the right place for input, and arrange for the output to end up where it should. In no way should it be used for implementing an algorithm. > > Now people are trying to write programs in it. Why? I suspect its because people haven't invested the time to learn a programming language, as it's quicker to find some cunning way of perverting the JCL one problem at a time. > > Do spreadsheet macros count as programming? I've seen complete business management systems written in Excel macros. Unmaintainable and flaky, but I'm in awe that anyone did it. > > And if I get too sniffy about the use of structured "proper" languages, I think back to the days of assembler and even machine code. Do the primitive building blocks of assembler count as programming? It's hard to argue otherwise, so therefore the > primitive building blocks of sh have to count too. > > That said, I was really happy when I could start using 'C' in the early 1980's. The perfect blend of convenience and control of the CPU. > > You do need to invest the time to learn a compiled language like 'C'. Friendly interpreted languages are considered cheaper to use because the staff need less training - or assumed to be. I'm not so sure. C is really just glorified macro assembler. Look closely and you'll see the bytes. Like any tool, it is built to do certain things. It can sometimes be used for other things, but does not necessarily do those things well. Writing a program is not that hard. Modifying one, especially one you didn't write, can be a lot harder. As maintenance can be, and most programs require ongoing maintenance. Higher-level constructs make for less code, which generally makes it easier to see on a screen and understand. And when it's easier to understand, it's easier to maintain. There have been some efforts to polish off the roughest C warts. Google and Apple have done this lately, although it looked to me like they kept the ugliest parts and polished around them. The sad thing is that we have a bunch of high-quality open-source languages available for free, and people should be picking the language based on the problem domain. It's difficult to change mindspace to match radically different languages. But it often leads to clearer expressions of the algorithm. That makes it easier to debug and maintain. And it can also give the programmer different ways of looking at problems. That is valuable no matter which language you end up using. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Oct 17 21:52:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE39E48A84 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 21:52:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay10.qsc.de (mailrelay10.qsc.de [212.99.163.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77CF461F for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 21:52:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay10.qsc.de; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:52:03 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-193.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.193]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 249443CBF9; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:52:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v9HLq14P003497; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:52:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:52:01 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Scripting problem Message-Id: <20171017235201.c3c8bd3a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <7AB396F429EEB6890100F082@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <8C8E7D66788801594EC0FC4C@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20171008100017.30ab5987.freebsd@edvax.de> <88D321A2CCD516AEF39DE8C3@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1984508980.4145408.1507553196491@mail.yahoo.com> <5D3BAA54-3229-4472-8A4D-A10D3F3F07D9@fjl.co.uk> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay10.qsc.de with 8AF276834C2 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1560 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 21:52:07 -0000 On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:45:02 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > Writing a program is not that hard. Modifying one, especially one you > didn't write, can be a lot harder. As maintenance can be, and most > programs require ongoing maintenance. A program is read many more times than it is written. ;-) > Higher-level constructs make for less code, which generally makes it > easier to see on a screen and understand. And when it's easier to > understand, it's easier to maintain. The downside is that if you follow the turtles all the way down, you end in C, assembly, or any other low level programming language. The "easy to understand" is true on the surface, and the price often is a pyramid of dependencies. > There have been some efforts to polish off the roughest C warts. > Google and Apple have done this lately, although it looked to me like > they kept the ugliest parts and polished around them. The reason probably is that they had a certain understanding of "backward compatibility", such as C constructs within Objective-C. Other reasons might be to increase appeal to programmers who feel happy in Java land. The success of a language (and often the software creation and deployment ecosystem connected to it) depends on programmers actually using that language. This often is not in direct relation with language design and pitfalls ("What does == mean in Javascript?"). Even worse, it can be influenced by marketing ("The consultant said that programmers for C# are really cheap!"), or comparison to competitors ("The other big companies use C++, and they make big money with it!"). The "framework of the week" illustrates the same core problem. Sometimes they can be seen as the illness that understands itself as the cure. ;-) > The sad thing is that we have a bunch of high-quality open-source > languages available for free, and people should be picking the language > based on the problem domain. Exactly. The "one size fits all" programming language hasn't been invented yet, even though some folks claim it's Java. Maybe this is because Java is the new COBOL... ;-) > It's difficult to change mindspace to match radically different > languages. But it often leads to clearer expressions of the algorithm. > That makes it easier to debug and maintain. And it can also give the > programmer different ways of looking at problems. That is valuable no > matter which language you end up using. Maybe this is just an exception, but I found that many programmers who are "programming language polyglots" have no problem switching mindsets along of switching languages - to work with the best tool of the current problem domain, as you mentioned. On the other hand, programmers who only know one language (and maybe another one that is similar to the first one, like Java and C#, or Java and C++) sometimes seem to lack a fundamental understanding of why there are other languages and other paradigms, and why something they acquired with hard work (like iteration from 1 to length of what- ever) is not the best way to "do this and that with all elements of the list" in every language they have to use. In my opinion, this is one of the reasons for bad code: Bad habits, cargo cult, "But I've always done it that way!", "But I've never done it that way!" and similar excuses. Explosing that kind of programmer to APL code will only result in a brain freeze, followed by a loud ON ERROR RESUME NEXT. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 01:16:36 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3326E4C5D2 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 01:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A194E65149 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 01:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 9DF1AE4C5D1; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 01:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9C5E4C5D0 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 01:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (host-209-190-254-14.client.atlantech.net [209.190.254.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 655F965148 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 01:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (tripel [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v9I19Q2c046216 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 21:09:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 21:09:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Slow xorg after upgrade Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 01:16:36 -0000 Hello list, Two days ago I had to upgrade xorg (long story). Since then, it seems that text entry is laggy, as if the xterm - or any application, for that matter - can't keep up with my typing. It feels like the old days of typing on an ASR-33; there is a lag of less than one second between typing a character and it appearing on screen. Sometimes when text draws, I see a moment of raster-looking junk. This is especially visible in text that updates from a program, such as the in-progress statistics from fetch. Or even when pasting text via middle-click. Or even when moving the cursor with the arrow keys while writing this email. Is this just an example of new software being more more bloated? It seems to me that under the old regime things were snappy-quick. Before: xorg-7.7_1 After: xorg-7.7_3 Both: fvwm-2.6.5_7 Both: $ uname -mriKv 10.3-RELEASE-p11 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p11 #0: Mon Oct 24 18:49:24 UTC 2016 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 GENERIC 1003000 Thank you. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 02:33:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E190E4D63F for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 02:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from nm23-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.245]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69F3466AB6 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 02:33:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s2048; t=1508293792; bh=AtZ2xraIu0KGGFCMnMB0A+EJ+AVlUDgm5U/hXptgaog=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=DUIL4nw7dpqniR+33gGd/+kfZK/gMPrt9EXTJLIZNG3o4XMUWaKnRU4SYnptNNBqFJ/jz2clB16AQu5c3EgEjDaQ1TJBACXoiFjohSJNRs5KabbWIZ4aOXVXedsrPNU3viMjKCe+aT13CvoLqtkuUbEVbY80kJn0CfLrezU19krJbKTWFaCcW5xZSJSOJwtgO6JsSjghPx8fCgFFua0w8HVSsqEsOVxsEL/8bHHNnT+fBE/CvszVCk1S1jFUWAXx92cYxG34g1X8OG8XEoSoVRSh9R+BGrSdOYnQeCT38nibi8fB9POLq0cXALdryqwUl0X85VsXEtvDW5ha+jYaKQ== Received: from [98.138.100.117] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2017 02:29:52 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.47] by tm108.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2017 02:29:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2017 02:29:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 897796.49053.bm@smtp115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: S83IGHMVM1k3yauPGl7qJrqXQA.hiIM0LXPOvhW3UL9OTVo PlDj21T2ptdsg2aRx_uYv.iAxIi_34dlyxKGKHn9U3.ghaw45O_hU7LJXSgq iOgEw408YmCiScFuRHnShyiG3vme_yFKR6kuk74gVoBVRGWXn8wIdaxVuW4g 1CXB.Ue9cGOCZTtk822X5XjSSxNpOtv3wJ.i4yKDw1wCIdkmciq2RzWNsB0V yJX41hPgGxghLqoGUepMnF5H0a2JA4LuukJzxr5P738rAIhAqac2EjRgqfbK iv1PTaVGOK2wTGFLZwrydHfCj5vqs0bcR3uka0QadWFWGTz_VftzlwpzXcQU sX4KuhE5L3si1eZnTrwAzzwgYwUhdNxcCWv0.mQ36WeP3h8V0tqRIojYtbu. GsRNaUysLIoEwm.nIF6NZECtlPjf5VoebtDflgYq27ImFX4d2Ybcdp_GPvjd T2_dGF64q2EF8nNeGwWdbUHVATpR9zyTrUZ3DfS8UKODNsnI2.GSVucsBHdW 9V3S0hBb. X-Yahoo-SMTP: N82WFx6swBBjwcHWPFR2CGt6udzA8RPrA.xm0enFFXaK2g-- Subject: Re: Slow xorg after upgrade To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Mike Jeays Message-ID: <89041d39-2250-c16a-6684-53143b398655@rogers.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 22:29:52 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 02:33:02 -0000 On 17-10-17 09:09 PM, Chris Hill wrote: > Hello list, > > Two days ago I had to upgrade xorg (long story). Since then, it seems > that text entry is laggy, as if the xterm - or any application, for > that matter - can't keep up with my typing. It feels like the old days > of typing on an ASR-33; there is a lag of less than one second between > typing a character and it appearing on screen. Sometimes when text > draws, I see a moment of raster-looking junk. This is especially > visible in text that updates from a program, such as the in-progress > statistics from fetch. Or even when pasting text via middle-click. Or > even when moving the cursor with the arrow keys while writing this email. > > Is this just an example of new software being more more bloated? It > seems to me that under the old regime things were snappy-quick. > > Before: xorg-7.7_1 > After: xorg-7.7_3 > > Both: fvwm-2.6.5_7 > > Both: > $ uname -mriKv 10.3-RELEASE-p11 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p11 #0: Mon Oct > 24 18:49:24 UTC 2016 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > GENERIC 1003000 > > Thank you. > Unless it is a very low-spec machine, this sounds completely abnormal, and due to some kind of software configuration error. I would not expect to notice any difference between two fairly recent versions of xorg From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 05:36:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C543E2B4E5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 05:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce+af580e.67c991-freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@efers.org) Received: from mail-s74.mailgun.info (mail-s74.mailgun.info [184.173.153.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0EA56B612 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 05:36:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce+af580e.67c991-freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@efers.org) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=efers.org; q=dns/txt; s=smtp; t=1508305003; h=Content-Type: MIME-Version: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: References: Subject: To: From: Sender; bh=d6Zb2O5HTmmoJ+V5PMN3rcXwMiNYhmnErmPraCa7FG8=; b=WUGn8q2sNHKJXKOTACIdVy2WKmVFt+C/zVjTyjTwS418nRjqvFizit2IjQV69nvYTYzTSVjh XdRqvqYFVpFxkj7DH/kCx31C9P/2x/11behrQvLgEwiquPQkn7tIWHqdNtqYdkrdVQXz5Xu3 pq/FRg0SUgzqxnM45g1UbRA0e/w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=efers.org; s=smtp; q=dns; h=Sender: From: To: Subject: References: Date: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=grdUk+jSqC3zZdjSPs7ZlMTOmS4P7ZSh1gPWJNa3ou/sZG2pNf5FjlPzL1o+Rb4AN6RfR4 2WMES5/mntAPCux42GDnidjXLaPBygyn0oUkqV0E4dccWVxEsSwtVe+mq8BcJmuKAVWMNkBl JYe6uHSjTV8hxDTm6MMqwUzKStQos= Sender: sch=efers.org@efers.org X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 184.173.153.202 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJmZDczYyIsICJmcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9uc0BmcmVlYnNkLm9yZyIsICI2N2M5OTEiXQ== Received: from scha.efers.org (Unknown [50.38.122.132]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59e6e867.7f619412e848-smtp-out-n01; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 05:36:39 -0000 (UTC) From: Adam Schaefers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow xorg after upgrade References: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 22:36:37 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Chris Hill's message of "Tue, 17 Oct 2017 21:09:05 -0400 (EDT)") Message-ID: <86tvyx81ay.fsf@scha.efers.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 05:36:51 -0000 Hello Chris, I have had a similar problem myself in the past. I too believe it is due to misconfiguration and not the newer Xorg version you have recently installed. It turned out in my case I was using the wrong video driver. If your proper video driver is not in use, then Xorg will fall back to using a generic (less performant) driver. I hope this helps you look in the right direction. Adam Schaefers Chris Hill writes: > Hello list, > > Two days ago I had to upgrade xorg (long story). Since then, it seems that text > entry is laggy, as if the xterm - or any application, for that matter - can't > keep up with my typing. It feels like the old days of typing on an ASR-33; there > is a lag of less than one second between typing a character and it appearing on > screen. Sometimes when text draws, I see a moment of raster-looking junk. This > is especially visible in text that updates from a program, such as the > in-progress statistics from fetch. Or even when pasting text via middle-click. > Or even when moving the cursor with the arrow keys while writing this email. > > Is this just an example of new software being more more bloated? It seems to me > that under the old regime things were snappy-quick. > > Before: xorg-7.7_1 > After: xorg-7.7_3 > > Both: fvwm-2.6.5_7 > > Both: > $ uname -mriKv 10.3-RELEASE-p11 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p11 #0: Mon Oct 24 18:49:24 > UTC 2016 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > amd64 GENERIC 1003000 > > Thank you. 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PS2: I found your site using Google search and after having a look over your website I recommend you to implement future technologies such as HTML5 and Responsive Design to make your site more accessible in mobile phone, tablets, desktop etc. [image: beacon] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 07:43:38 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA87E2DDF5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 07:43:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 036E26EB49 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 07:43:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.186] (host81-134-87-65.range81-130.btcentralplus.com [81.134.87.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v9I7hWmw025486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 18 Oct 2017 08:43:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <4a1f6aed-e10a-555a-2179-7e7b1ee7d464@kallab.com> References: <4a1f6aed-e10a-555a-2179-7e7b1ee7d464@kallab.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 xen trying to create linux domU instance From: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:53:05 +0100 To: Antoine Kallab , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <0415D44F-060D-4621-8795-6A0241055506@fjl.co.uk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 07:43:38 -0000 On 16 October 2017 15:47:30 BST, Antoine Kallab wrote: >On 08/24/2017 06:10 AM, Frank Leonhardt wrote: >>(And you may have noticed that the autobridge stuff in rc.conf doesn't >play anyway). > >Would you mind sharing what /does/ work for you? > I'll write an article when I have it right; that means I must know why it works too! I set up a bridge from the command line each time so its different. The trick was DHCP. I have no idea what SYNCDHCP is all about, but it barfs when I use it. I have a DHCP server running on the Dom0 but I think any DHCP server will do. However, if you don't have one (more likely) you can specify the IP address on the line after the addm. I.e. ifconfig bridge0 addm 192.168.1.7 I have it working fine, but more through luck than brains st present. Regards, Frank. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 07:43:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E751DE2DE13 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 07:43:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E5186EB88 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 07:43:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.186] (host81-134-87-65.range81-130.btcentralplus.com [81.134.87.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v9I7hghW025509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 18 Oct 2017 08:43:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <7AB396F429EEB6890100F082@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <8C8E7D66788801594EC0FC4C@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20171008100017.30ab5987.freebsd@edvax.de> <88D321A2CCD516AEF39DE8C3@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1984508980.4145408.1507553196491@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: Scripting problem From: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:20:29 +0100 To: Warren Block , Paul Pathiakis CC: Paul Schmehl , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <41C16BBF-BDBC-406A-8A23-C950E579875D@fjl.co.uk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 07:43:48 -0000 On 12 October 2017 00:01:55 BST, Warren Block wrote: >On Mon, 9 Oct 2017, Paul Pathiakis wrote: > >>> Quoting is sh's biggest weakness. Well, that and lack of basic data >>> structures, and the weak logical structures, and so on. >> >> ### Well, yes and no. I consider it both a strength and a weakness. I >find sh to be exactly what I think of a scripting language to be... >glue. I don't >> expect to write a fully versed program in sh. I wouldn't be using sh >for that. I find sh to be that 'tool' to use when I want to call other >tools and >> utilities. (sed, awk, tr, etc) >> >> ### I think people have gone way too far in creating 'scripting' >languages that are more programming languages than scripting.... >Personally, I tried >> learning PERL which tries to be everything to regex. The problem? >Lack of coherence... "I can do this 5 different ways in PERL" Is that >supposed to be a >> good thing when all five seem to execute at different speeds, using >different resources, etc? (apologies to Larry Wall and the rest) > >The multiple domains that are utterly different are not just in Perl. >In sh, you can use sed and awk, which have very little overlap. In >fact, you pretty much have to use sed *and* awk, because each is not >quite powerful enough to do particular jobs. Or use Perl, >which is a superset of both. > >The trouble with sh is that it is so weak that it takes a lot of code >to >accomplish anything. That comes back to haunt the programmer in the >long >term, because simpler, shorter programs that use more powerful >constructs are much easier to maintain. > >Perl is much-maligned, but every time I rewrite a shell script in Perl >it gets shorter and easier to maintain. Or longer and more powerful. >Python and Ruby are similar. > >>> Someone once said that if a script is longer than twenty lines or >so, >>> it probably ought to be done in a real scripting langugage. That was > >>> me, but Stephen Bourne has also said it. Yes, that Stephen Bourne. >> >> ### I'll go off a little on this with kind of a corollary.... No sh >script should be more than 20 lines, however, I typically will call >shell scripts from >> other scripts. But I do agree, if you want to program, use a >programming language. (IMHO, C is still the best, most powerful >language around but, again, >> read a book, talk to the people who are in the know - My 'C' guru is >a guy who has written code that utterly shocked me in its elegance, >execution, and >> simplicity - and the occasional "You can do something like that in >C?" thoughts running through my head.) > >The distinction between programming and "scripting" has always been >artificial to me. You write a series of instructions for a computer, >that's a program. Give me powerful tools, I'm not interested in doing >it the hard way to build character. I have enough character. What I >want back is the time I spend trying to fix sh scripts. Interesting debate this. Personally I have always regarded sh as a Job Control Language. Probably showing my age. As such it's intended for controlling jobs written in 'C' (being Unix). All it had to do is put the data in the right place for input, and arrange for the output to end up where it should. In no way should it be used for implementing an algorithm. Now people are trying to write programs in it. Why? I suspect its because people haven't invested the time to learn a programming language, as it's quicker to find some cunning way of perverting the JCL one problem at a time. Do spreadsheet macros count as programming? I've seen complete business management systems written in Excel macros. Unmaintainable and flaky, but I'm in awe that anyone did it. And if I get too sniffy about the use of structured "proper" languages, I think back to the days of assembler and even machine code. Do the primitive building blocks of assembler count as programming? It's hard to argue otherwise, so therefore the primitive building blocks of sh have to count too. That said, I was really happy when I could start using 'C' in the early 1980's. The perfect blend of convenience and control of the CPU. You do need to invest the time to learn a compiled language like 'C'. Friendly interpreted languages are considered cheaper to use because the staff need less training - or assumed to be. I'm not so sure. -- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 11:16:24 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF852E350C0 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D560874C10 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D1BA4E350BE; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1442E350BD for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from a-painless.mh.aa.net.uk (a-painless.mh.aa.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9984E74C0F for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from woodcruft.co.uk ([81.187.27.248] helo=lime.woodcruft.co.uk) by a-painless.mh.aa.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e4mKl-0006mY-5L; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:16:23 +0100 Received: by lime.woodcruft.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7D56542AC; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:16:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:16:12 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Chris Hill Cc: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: Slow xorg after upgrade Message-ID: <20171018111612.GA1070@woodcruft.co.uk> Reply-To: Frank Shute References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'woodcruft.co.uk' X-PGP-Key: http://woodcruft.co.uk/misc/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:16:25 -0000 --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 09:09:05PM -0400, Chris Hill wrote: > > Hello list, >=20 > Two days ago I had to upgrade xorg (long story). Since then, it seems=20 > that text entry is laggy, as if the xterm - or any application, for that= =20 > matter - can't keep up with my typing. It feels like the old days of=20 > typing on an ASR-33; there is a lag of less than one second between=20 > typing a character and it appearing on screen. Sometimes when text=20 > draws, I see a moment of raster-looking junk. This is especially visible= =20 > in text that updates from a program, such as the in-progress statistics= =20 > from fetch. Or even when pasting text via middle-click. Or even when=20 > moving the cursor with the arrow keys while writing this email. >=20 > Is this just an example of new software being more more bloated? It=20 > seems to me that under the old regime things were snappy-quick. >=20 > Before: xorg-7.7_1 > After: xorg-7.7_3 >=20 > Both: fvwm-2.6.5_7 >=20 > Both: > $ uname -mriKv=20 > 10.3-RELEASE-p11 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p11 #0: Mon Oct 24 18:49:24 UTC=20 > 2016 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC= =20 > amd64 GENERIC 1003000 >=20 > Thank you. =20 Hi Chris, You saying "...I had to upgrade xorg (long story)" gets my antennae twitching. Perhaps you could expand on that a bit. My first place to look would be: /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if anything goes awry when X starts. I updated xorg the other day with zero problems but there again I rebuilt all my ports (using poudriere).=20 You're barking up the wrong tree suggesting software bloat in the case of X is the problem. A regression? Maybe. But X becoming incredibly slow due to bloat in a point-release? No. You don't mention how you go about rebuilding your ports or what your video hardware (and associated driver) is. Regards, --=20 Frank --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEXRpQZWMUMC1nxphkORvOAPtvi1oFAlnnN+0ACgkQORvOAPtv i1rARw//bP7KERwtvlIPtZYa+uZzyoX4fyCY9FWZrlb4owwLqJ7xawq75SOgyLUo Dn5EBPQZ3YpNfS2enDxxcpF10kDZ/kYAZBeSQUjKM/igHK4knG9R19nDwVZaiamF 8M2G1p2vasAHa0xIZQd8IvVFD9I4ehqTih+bzjmoTWIE0GaB8ILDQ1GMT1oF8GbV 7cxvUE5OYyx70ugH38YBcMgv5guchDMhuJH+GdREV5xxJTt68w1UdCsVyReIhG7L TnUgpzQssxN0gqkZ7nZnyAGUFdTVIcVGhBStwMYGmZ7DqxopCG397wL9CV52Kk0O RtQb9tFwJ/J4kgwXvLgJbEd9A4GylamsqhnAmYgm3SazlGnDSSbC6jQdGKSmHHjk ql3O8gSurXj83/jhhl8HhQIY+/xeH+2W5jPGbZMlOt4hRoMf2QjCsTtg6zNr2/28 KoQkvW6J2Ofs6mN8Ye3U2u+kOQigl0fOZQV9KmupR66azMKtZz5yZMGPZqNdBfnc KXI/VbRnfdh1XDN0SPPwNuNpBMk5kciz7Ihk7grZXW4aUsjlk1ukkS0DHgMSKrc7 8xTnIY0ABQM1xlWLAgJyO47HsX2DGlFADj6kOg8rL4+lsylT17bOmAJM1SRloXzU ohjo6i+w46nVdM++DJjyrU8YLbhRwbOLdITnRhdF4ASuvYwFGFE= =1J3i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 13:13:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631BBE38A27 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:13:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 303B57CFF5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:13:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1508332425; x=1510924425; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ueg+2oODTz0af7u2p5+MLjXIQ1KvvnFOx1ZWLcUjs/w=; b=PXvn3qIcuaf+QlK1WsIIAEpAz6vzuR6/18v/DlrbP3jgVYUvgGUVmwIlYkHYW6OvB2Gdb/Ly1GhoXjUk1RaCjX0OIUdoBnmk9RofS5VUL2/CQYLmUjXsdhFrv/pGgF6WdcpP+eRC/3fPpRlwx49r9uJiVj0mXvWMldBsMBQ4UBU= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi5lNTAwMDAwMDMwMTFmZS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.85.171.149]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 18 Oct 2017 09:13:35 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 18 Oct 2017 09:13:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1e4oA9-0003LI-Ho for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:13:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 14:13:33 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Scripting problem Message-Id: <20171018141333.498b9ab3cf924144da5fe8b5@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <5D3BAA54-3229-4472-8A4D-A10D3F3F07D9@fjl.co.uk> References: <7AB396F429EEB6890100F082@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <8C8E7D66788801594EC0FC4C@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <20171008100017.30ab5987.freebsd@edvax.de> <88D321A2CCD516AEF39DE8C3@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <1984508980.4145408.1507553196491@mail.yahoo.com> <5D3BAA54-3229-4472-8A4D-A10D3F3F07D9@fjl.co.uk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:13:47 -0000 On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:30:20 +0100 "Frank Leonhardt (m)" wrote: > Interesting debate this. Personally I have always regarded sh as a Job > Control Language. Probably showing my age. Yes, but one designed to be an interactive environment aka a user interface. > As such it's intended for controlling jobs written in 'C' (being Unix). Or indeed any other compiled or interpreted language (arguably the latter are jobs written in a compiled language and the interpreted language is the data). > All it had to do is put the data in the right place for input, and > arrange for the output to end up where it should. In no way should it be > used for implementing an algorithm. Well perhaps, but multi-user system command line interfaces tend to be simple programming languages because that's what you need to automate even quite simple manual tasks. I'm not entirely sure that adding function and local variable support wasn't a step too far, but rather that than BASIC IMHO. > You do need to invest the time to learn a compiled language like 'C'. I know a great many productive programmers who never did. I'd take an understanding of basic computer science - data structures, algorithms, cost calculations and an appreciation of good abstractions and elegance over any particular language or language family. > Friendly interpreted languages are considered cheaper to use because the > staff need less training - or assumed to be. I'm not so sure. That was the assumption with things like the 4GLs, but the modern crop of interpreted languages (Perl, Python, Ruby) are extremely expressive and well suited for complex applications which are primarily I/O bound. Java is a nice enough language - the culture OTOH means that Java applications are usually horrendous things full of explicit design pattern related names. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 15:13:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7C5E3BB2A for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:13:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtpd.telissant.net (smtpd.telissant.net [104.225.1.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4FFC819F6 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:13:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from cortina.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpd.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D213B1129AE for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 10:59:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at telissant.net Received: from smtpd.telissant.net ([127.0.0.1]) by cortina.3dresearch.com (cortina.3dresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tLrKaNYUciV3 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 10:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elettra.3dresearch.com (unknown [71.112.240.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: elettra) by smtpd.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8AC2311299A for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 10:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elettra.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elettra.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 63F4719FC4A for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 10:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 10:58:39 -0400 From: Janos Dohanics To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: pkg_libchk(1) error Message-Id: <20171018105839.9a3488aa803d16a6a8770c34@3dresearch.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:13:27 -0000 Greetings, Just deleted ports-mgmt/bsdadminscripts and installed ports-mgmt/bsdadminscripts2 instead on FreeBSD 10.4-BETA2 #0 r322968 which has 937 packages (all installed from ports). pkg_libchk(1) from ports-mgmt/bsdadminscripts worked fine. But when I try to run it from the newly installed ports-mgmt/bsdadminscripts2, I get this error: # pkg_libchk -v Checking all packages ... Jobs done: 466 of 937 ELF binary type "0" not known. linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_3 ELF binary type "0" not known. ELF binary type "0" not known. ELF binary type "0" not known. ELF binary type "0" not known. ...and these messages continue until I hit Ctrl-C. Any advice? -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 15:26:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C97E3C077 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:26:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22d.google.com (mail-it0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33346826F6 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:26:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id 72so6691766itl.5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 08:26:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gS5T1FQWty/kqlaj91VrXxomgqS6hKO8kE9+BYMrxPE=; b=tPTtsLUOUxdozB0PuewBU55hrDptLcvFxWUSC7St/Ka5Tv72XitKnFIK94fGmdcjau Kcm+qzkyIe6+6aqAQ6ofN1vpWQqWWzue+GGsAvOJoAOaBP0mJYMOSFQhDcn3dOeRXII8 +PS/tUU0VxN9V1wG+bl0dz0dVusnGCJGwpkfomixkn6y2b5bj1rY0S1eiCFGlqZRAA8m aJ9nAzCFI1emBqv0Lttt60wjWbru+fKKyw/6SebHfZqrIz4PdNDcqishK++iKBftkxYn rMJPqfp4Hq9XwDbSZxDbLp4FLagJJO2UVsK44Xval4hDW+ZCCyfy5LVA5hei969M5ru2 Pu5Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gS5T1FQWty/kqlaj91VrXxomgqS6hKO8kE9+BYMrxPE=; b=QOizBP69qVo8JoYDDybL3NhcLorRN9uraYAzNFnMgf2KXZlxneXMun88JXx/SbyBv8 b3y6WZgDzbJ69LRUXtR1gAlnp0T9jUGiP39x63sqLRfmrcyC272Y/koXYLJ6mV7J/ah+ Pvw43PrPGd1vvZO56fJxojV0HNvAxBJwFvbno6OltCnz3dFsHYIEacPduli9CfIse+bF 6dEUqvLPQlznDf+h6CPzBiLuCUcZ/tk9Jxq0WRswoymhyQB2n4zjkHWMfQX8qK6jpEW4 ESn6P7NhNV6z2uQpSYUjOW9+4+6Bgvipag01QLXy4nJgx97wO/Cov1rZymab9i36Gg3o 4W1w== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVloqczkrYjrQFTtQi0X2QEcIp4cBZAnq2exd4pZpnFmBke+QgP +4PKJKUTIONH9cz2vaZl9yVyXOsafwydSx+Mnao= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+QzeANLTtxKdZwuqEYr+H8yGjb5DqW+19yd2Oalz+F72og8OxnkiQctvwoMwAxu4ZaKWICFI5Iv5lJxEj4P8B0= X-Received: by 10.36.93.72 with SMTP id w69mr9924765ita.103.1508340409377; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 08:26:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.176.201 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 08:26:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20171018105839.9a3488aa803d16a6a8770c34@3dresearch.com> References: <20171018105839.9a3488aa803d16a6a8770c34@3dresearch.com> From: Adam Vande More Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 10:26:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: pkg_libchk(1) error To: Janos Dohanics Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:26:50 -0000 On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Janos Dohanics wrote: > Greetings, > > Just deleted ports-mgmt/bsdadminscripts and installed > ports-mgmt/bsdadminscripts2 instead on FreeBSD 10.4-BETA2 #0 r322968 > which has 937 packages (all installed from ports). > > pkg_libchk(1) from ports-mgmt/bsdadminscripts worked fine. But when I > try to run it from the newly installed ports-mgmt/bsdadminscripts2, I > get this error: > > # pkg_libchk -v > Checking all packages ... > Jobs done: 466 of 937 > ELF binary type "0" not known. > linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_3 > ELF binary type "0" not known. > ELF binary type "0" not known. > ELF binary type "0" not known. > ELF binary type "0" not known. > > ...and these messages continue until I hit Ctrl-C. > > Any advice? > Do you have the linuxulator installed and running correctly? -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 15:30:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AE7E3C2C8 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:30:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2153182AFF for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:30:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v9IFObSn077037 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 10:24:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id v9IFObTS077036 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 10:24:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 10:24:37 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: questions list Subject: Future of rlogin and friends in current? Message-ID: <20171018152437.GA76938@rancor.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.3 (2017-05-23) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:30:57 -0000 I read somewhere (don't recall exactly where) here that the rlogin and related programs were to be dropped from release 12.0. Assuming this is true, is there any plans to create a port of these programs for those of us that still depend on them? I use rlogin to login to various systems within my internal local network (my firewall block outside access) and it will be a nuisance (and otherwise unnecessary) to have to switch over to using ssh. Bob -- Bob Willcox | Lawsuit, n.: A machine which you go into as a pig and bob@immure.com | come out as a sausage. Austin, TX | -- Ambrose Bierce From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 16:01:18 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA4FE3CEA2 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 16:01:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtpd.telissant.net (smtpd.telissant.net [104.225.1.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAAF3839F2 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 16:01:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from cortina.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpd.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AD31129A2 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:01:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at telissant.net Received: from smtpd.telissant.net ([127.0.0.1]) by cortina.3dresearch.com (cortina.3dresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c1wNx99-TCUv for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elettra.3dresearch.com (unknown [71.112.240.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: elettra) by smtpd.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8412011298B for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elettra.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elettra.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B79821A2BB5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:59:31 -0400 From: Janos Dohanics To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: pkg_libchk(1) error Message-Id: <20171018115931.bb70975a3176f6f6b93f62ac@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20171018105839.9a3488aa803d16a6a8770c34@3dresearch.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 16:01:18 -0000 On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 10:26:48 -0500 Adam Vande More wrote: > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Janos Dohanics > wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > [...] > > ELF binary type "0" not known. > > > > ...and these messages continue until I hit Ctrl-C. > > > > Any advice? > > > > Do you have the linuxulator installed and running correctly? > > -- > Adam Hi Adam, These are the linux ports I have: linux-c6-expat-2.0.1_5 = up-to-date with port linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_3 = up-to-date with port linux-c6-xorg-libs-7.4_8 < needs updating (port has 7.4_10) linux_base-c6-6.8_12 < needs updating (port has 6.9_3) linuxlibertine-g-20120116_1 = up-to-date with port It seems these are dependencies of libreoffice and nvidia-driver, and both of those seem to work OK. -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 17:00:45 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F39E3EA26 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 17:00:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@vindaloo.com) Received: from yavin.vindaloo.com (yavin.vindaloo.com [173.199.117.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "yavin.vindaloo.com", Issuer "Vindaloo Sign CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D79D1A3E for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 17:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@vindaloo.com) Received: from anza.vindaloo.com (ool-45714982.dyn.optonline.net [69.113.73.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.vindaloo.com", Issuer "Vindaloo Sign CA" (verified OK)) by yavin.vindaloo.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEAECD7AD0 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by anza.vindaloo.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6B54D101F1; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: Christopher Sean Hilton Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:00:43 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <20171018170043.GA3455@anza.vindaloo.com> Resent-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Original-To: chris@vindaloo.com Delivered-To: chris@vindaloo.com Received: by anza.vindaloo.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8FB1C101F1; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:45:59 -0400 From: Christopher Sean Hilton To: freebsd-question@freebsd.org Subject: Md based tmpfs with zfs root system. Message-ID: <20171018164559.GA3267@anza.vindaloo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-Loop: mail.vindaloo.com X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-Vindaloo-List: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 17:00:45 -0000 Good day, I've using a new system with root on zfs. I've traditionally used a /dev/md* based tmpfs for /tmp. A little initial reading on the subject shows an argument about this practice but I didn't find any threads that provide a resolution. Furthermore, all the information that I found which says that this is a bad idea dates from about FreeBSD-8.2, and that's long obsolete. What's the current resolution on this for a FreeBSD 11-STABLE user? Should I avoid using a swap backed /dev/md based tmpfs filesystem for /tmp? -- Chris __o "All I was trying to do was get home from work." _`\<,_ -Rosa Parks ___(*)/_(*)____.___o____..___..o...________ooO..._____________________ Christopher Sean Hilton [chris/at/vindaloo/dot/com] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 17:05:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B27CE3EF4F for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 17:05:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@vindaloo.com) Received: from yavin.vindaloo.com (yavin.vindaloo.com [173.199.117.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "yavin.vindaloo.com", Issuer "Vindaloo Sign CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE8F02113 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 17:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@vindaloo.com) Received: from anza.vindaloo.com (ool-45714982.dyn.optonline.net [69.113.73.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.vindaloo.com", Issuer "Vindaloo Sign CA" (verified OK)) by yavin.vindaloo.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF19DD7A81 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by anza.vindaloo.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 81E12101F1; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:05:49 -0400 From: Christopher Sean Hilton To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Rcorder/rc.conf question on FILESYSTEMS and tmp Message-ID: <20171018170549.GA3502@anza.vindaloo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 17:05:51 -0000 In my other question I asked if I should use a swap backed, /dev/md based tmpfs for /tmp. The actual problem that brings up the issue is this: When I reconfigured my system from zfs based /tmp to swap back /dev/md based tmpfs, I screwed up the permissions on the "/tmp" directory. This caused slapd to fail at startup time because it couldn't create some file or something in /tmp. I've fixed the problem and moved on but this leaves a question: 1) Shouldn't /etc/rc.d/FILESYSTEMS require "tmp" before it starts up? My usage requires slapd so I can patch this for now by adding "tmp" to slapd's requirements but I'm very interested in the answer to the reasons behind this question if the answer is "no". If the answer is yes, then I just owe you a well written bug report. -- Chris __o "All I was trying to do was get home from work." _`\<,_ -Rosa Parks ___(*)/_(*)____.___o____..___..o...________ooO..._____________________ Christopher Sean Hilton [chris/at/vindaloo/dot/com] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 17:58:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69D3E40480 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 17:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nospam@mgedv.net) Received: from mail.mgedv.net (mail.mgedv.net [83.64.34.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A716063E8F for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 17:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nospam@mgedv.net) Received: from my.loop (client.my.loop [255.255.255.255]) From: "no@spam@mgedv.net" To: References: <002101d346c0$65ef67d0$31ce3770$@mgedv.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: pf/nat guru needed: fwd of packet to 255.255.255.255 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 19:58:16 +0200 Message-ID: <001c01d3483a$acd06d40$067147c0$@mgedv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHRu9U+ErauKZ6SvrTNkEattvcJUwIiE3/LotvpuQA= Content-Language: de-at X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 17:58:21 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Kristof Provost > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 3:19 PM > To: no@spam@mgedv.net > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: pf/nat guru needed: fwd of packet to 255.255.255.255 >=20 > On 16 Oct 2017, at 22:50, no@spam@mgedv.net wrote: > > hi folks, > > > > short: anyone out there knows, how to redir & forward packets to > > 255.255.255.255? > > > > preface: i need to get a crappy, stupid, very (!) wrong programmed > > device > > running. > > and i know this crapdev violates RFCs, so this is the wrong story = for > > RTFM > > hints ;) > > > > the BSD box setup: > > freebsd 11.1, amd64. > > - interface "A": 10.10.21.1/24, MTU1500 > > - interface "B": 10.10.22.1/24, MTU1500 > > > > the (crapdev) source generates an ipv4 UDP packet as follows: > > - source address 10.10.21.11, port >1023 > > - target hw addr: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > > - target ipv4 addr: 255.255.255.255 port 4444 > > - payload ~ 500 bytes, so it fits inside 1 packet. > > > I would not be surprised if that packet also has a TTL of 1. > In fact, I=E2=80=99d consider it a bug if it had a different value. >=20 > You could probably set a scrub rule to change it, so the packet can be > forwarded, but I=E2=80=99d be very tempted to just run a proxy for = this, > rather than trying to fix it with pf. > It might even be possible to get the appropriate socat incantation to = do > it, so maybe you don=E2=80=99t even need to write any code for this. the TTL idea is great! but the packet is of course violating this, too: tos 0x0, ttl 128, id 17466, offset 0, flags [none], proto UDP (17), = length 536 the (crappy) solution to a crappy communication: i added a 2nd NIC for the source-LAN to the final target. the packet to 255.255.255.255 ends up directly there, bypassing the fw. the talkback is unicast. the 2nd NICs IP is set to invalid. hope this is = enough. (both VLANs are restricted and local only anyways). so: issue worked around (dirty), no further analysis on our side (lack = o' time). thx! 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charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 18:38:46 -0000 On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Janos Dohanics wrote: > These are the linux ports I have: > > linux-c6-expat-2.0.1_5 = up-to-date with port > linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_3 = up-to-date with port > linux-c6-xorg-libs-7.4_8 < needs updating (port has 7.4_10) > linux_base-c6-6.8_12 < needs updating (port has 6.9_3) > linuxlibertine-g-20120116_1 = up-to-date with port > What is the output of: # kldstat # mount -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 18:54:17 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A193E414BA for ; 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Message-ID: <20171018185339.GA51005@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20171018152437.GA76938@rancor.immure.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171018152437.GA76938@rancor.immure.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 18:54:17 -0000 On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 10:24:37AM -0500, Bob Willcox wrote: > I read somewhere (don't recall exactly where) here that the rlogin and related > programs were to be dropped from release 12.0. Assuming this is true, is there > any plans to create a port of these programs for those of us that still depend > on them? I use rlogin to login to various systems within my internal local > network (my firewall block outside access) and it will be a nuisance (and > otherwise unnecessary) to have to switch over to using ssh. > Same here in case ssh is choking. telnet port 23 is dead AFAIC for many systems. rlogin should be kept as a backup. > Bob > > -- > Bob Willcox | Lawsuit, n.: A machine which you go into as a pig and > bob@immure.com | come out as a sausage. > Austin, TX | -- Ambrose Bierce > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism Talk Sense to a fool and he calls you foolish - Euripides From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 19:02:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A81CE418E4 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 19:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans91@ksu.edu) Received: from NAM03-BY2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2nam03on0077.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.42.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECF7565F41 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 19:02:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans91@ksu.edu) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ksu.edu; s=selector2; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=y6rSaBh3jrtB3lmX+VcuA2fe47oTRhlfNalHqJOKfa4=; b=BlOMHhHxdYAXcZ3kPNAUNWhilqsbOeP2ohSbAER/Xgxqcfw0u/umjjdNB17SQXExkHfezxBDP7XXGhN2CsAmqsnMsU0y/MDOivEKeUCG73DXF25R7/MujqjUqWLJRuD/x6LBRzb8nr0KZj7MMIVYFDDBvyI2FcLCoabASW3Yzjo= Received: from SN1PR05CA0039.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.163.68.177) by CY1PR05MB1964.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.162.216.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P256) id 15.20.77.5; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 19:02:07 +0000 Received: from BL2NAM02FT038.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:f400:7e46::205) by SN1PR05CA0039.outlook.office365.com (2a01:111:e400:5197::49) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.156.4 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 19:02:07 +0000 Authentication-Results: spf=pass (sender IP is 129.130.18.151) smtp.mailfrom=ksu.edu; freebsd.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;freebsd.org; dmarc=bestguesspass action=none header.from=ksu.edu; Received-SPF: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of ksu.edu designates 129.130.18.151 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com; client-ip=129.130.18.151; helo=ome-vm-smtp2.campus.ksu.edu; Received: from ome-vm-smtp2.campus.ksu.edu (129.130.18.151) by BL2NAM02FT038.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.77.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 15.20.77.10 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 19:02:07 +0000 Received: from calypso.engg.ksu.edu (calypso.engg.ksu.edu [129.130.43.181]) by ome-vm-smtp2.campus.ksu.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-2ubuntu2.1) with ESMTP id v9IJ26bJ029485 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 14:02:06 -0500 Received: by calypso.engg.ksu.edu (Postfix, from userid 110) id 9C31924832A; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 14:02:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail-it0-f48.google.com (mail-it0-f48.google.com [209.85.214.48]) by calypso.engg.ksu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8BFF2248328 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 14:02:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mail-it0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 72so7155406itk.3 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVbMVbgfHyZuu9y5rz/AXpZFVZ16Z6vEm1RIbnid2r73i1w4HR3 3O5S1njOseSVd0NI1Qua4VljUVt4kAsp+EssrpI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+SK3Mno66oT+9z7pzANBWG0rp8RhGfxSgQMdYQeCx9CbF4AAh852eMwB9NALC7keURIAXvU3LWOTOb3MrxeMsQ= X-Received: by 10.36.116.5 with SMTP id o5mr11234527itc.132.1508353324211; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.23.129 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:01:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20171018152437.GA76938@rancor.immure.com> References: <20171018152437.GA76938@rancor.immure.com> From: Kyle Evans Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 14:01:43 -0500 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of rlogin and friends in current? 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Assuming this is true, is > there > any plans to create a port of these programs for those of us that still > depend > on them? I use rlogin to login to various systems within my internal local > network (my firewall block outside access) and it will be a nuisance (and > otherwise unnecessary) to have to switch over to using ssh. > These have been made available in ports as net/bsdrcmds ( https://www.freshports.org/net/bsdrcmds/) > Bob > Kyle Evans From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 19:05:38 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F21E41A41 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 19:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtpd.telissant.net (smtpd.telissant.net [104.225.1.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 578BB66357 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 19:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from cortina.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpd.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B5C1129B2 for ; 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amd64-portbld-freebsd10.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 19:05:38 -0000 On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:38:44 -0500 Adam Vande More wrote: > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Janos Dohanics > wrote: > > > These are the linux ports I have: > > > > linux-c6-expat-2.0.1_5 = up-to-date with port > > linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_3 = up-to-date with port > > linux-c6-xorg-libs-7.4_8 < needs updating (port has 7.4_10) > > linux_base-c6-6.8_12 < needs updating (port has 6.9_3) > > linuxlibertine-g-20120116_1 = up-to-date with port > > > > What is the output of: > > # kldstat > # mount Here it is: # kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 34 0xffffffff80200000 18e4488 kernel 2 1 0xffffffff81ae5000 307360 zfs.ko 3 2 0xffffffff81ded000 6040 opensolaris.ko 4 1 0xffffffff81df4000 e14440 nvidia.ko 5 2 0xffffffff82c09000 9aa40 linux.ko 6 2 0xffffffff82ca4000 d210 linux_common.ko 7 3 0xffffffff82cb2000 7c9b0 vboxdrv.ko 8 1 0xffffffff82e11000 3651 ums.ko 9 2 0xffffffff82e15000 2a02 vboxnetflt.ko 10 2 0xffffffff82e18000 ba78 netgraph.ko 11 1 0xffffffff82e24000 4199 ng_ether.ko 12 1 0xffffffff82e29000 3f64 vboxnetadp.ko # mount zroot on / (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls) devfs on /dev (devfs, local, multilabel) data on /data (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) data/VirtualBoxVMs on /data/VirtualBoxVMs (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) data/almaviva_backup on /data/almaviva_backup (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) data/cortina_cyrus on /data/cortina_cyrus (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) data/cortina_spool on /data/cortina_spool (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) data/maillogs on /data/maillogs (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) data/music on /data/music (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) data/win_images on /data/win_images (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 20:11:43 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9238E42D9D for ; 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Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([81.17.24.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n11sm11517454wrh.71.2017.10.18.13.11.38 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 21:11:36 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Md based tmpfs with zfs root system. Message-ID: <20171018211136.2f143b1a@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20171018164559.GA3267@anza.vindaloo.com> References: <20171018164559.GA3267@anza.vindaloo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 20:11:43 -0000 On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:45:59 -0400 Christopher Sean Hilton wrote: > Good day, > > I've using a new system with root on zfs. I've traditionally used a > /dev/md* based tmpfs for /tmp. A little initial reading on the subject > shows an argument about this practice but I didn't find any threads > that provide a resolution. md devices and tmpfs are two different things. tmpfs is a bit like an md device, but it has its own built-in file-system, so it only uses memory for current files, whereas an md device stores all the sectors that have ever been written to, even if they hold deleted files. I don't follow ZFS much, but unless there is a specific reason not to use tmpfs with zfs it's preferred over md devices. If the issue is the use of swap with zfs, neither tmpfs nor swap-backed md devices actually require swap. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 18 20:18:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E204FE430DC for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 20:18:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6987688A4 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 20:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v9IKIFIO077819 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:18:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id v9IKIFJr077818; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:18:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:18:15 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Kyle Evans Cc: questions list Subject: Re: Future of rlogin and friends in current? Message-ID: <20171018201815.GA77799@rancor.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <20171018152437.GA76938@rancor.immure.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.3 (2017-05-23) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 20:18:20 -0000 On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 02:01:43PM -0500, Kyle Evans wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Bob Willcox wrote: > > > I read somewhere (don't recall exactly where) here that the rlogin and > > related > > programs were to be dropped from release 12.0. Assuming this is true, is > > there > > any plans to create a port of these programs for those of us that still > > depend > > on them? I use rlogin to login to various systems within my internal local > > network (my firewall block outside access) and it will be a nuisance (and > > otherwise unnecessary) to have to switch over to using ssh. > > > > These have been made available in ports as net/bsdrcmds ( > https://www.freshports.org/net/bsdrcmds/) Great! Thanks for the info Kyle. I figured that this would likely be the case but didn't know where to look for them. Bob > > > > > Bob > > > > Kyle Evans -- Bob Willcox | Lawsuit, n.: A machine which you go into as a pig and bob@immure.com | come out as a sausage. 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Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:45:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.176.201 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:45:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20171018150400.ba68c7306d3fb8484d23dcbe@3dresearch.com> References: <20171018105839.9a3488aa803d16a6a8770c34@3dresearch.com> <20171018115931.bb70975a3176f6f6b93f62ac@3dresearch.com> <20171018150400.ba68c7306d3fb8484d23dcbe@3dresearch.com> From: Adam Vande More Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 17:45:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: pkg_libchk(1) error To: Janos Dohanics Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 22:45:04 -0000 On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Janos Dohanics wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Janos Dohanics > > wrote: > > > > > These are the linux ports I have: > > > > > > linux-c6-expat-2.0.1_5 = up-to-date with port > > > linux-c6-fontconfig-2.8.0_3 = up-to-date with port > > > linux-c6-xorg-libs-7.4_8 < needs updating (port has 7.4_10) > > > linux_base-c6-6.8_12 < needs updating (port has 6.9_3) > > > linuxlibertine-g-20120116_1 = up-to-date with port > > > > > > > What is the output of: > > > > # kldstat > > # mount > > Here it is: > > # kldstat > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 34 0xffffffff80200000 18e4488 kernel > 2 1 0xffffffff81ae5000 307360 zfs.ko > 3 2 0xffffffff81ded000 6040 opensolaris.ko > 4 1 0xffffffff81df4000 e14440 nvidia.ko > 5 2 0xffffffff82c09000 9aa40 linux.ko > 6 2 0xffffffff82ca4000 d210 linux_common.ko > 7 3 0xffffffff82cb2000 7c9b0 vboxdrv.ko > 8 1 0xffffffff82e11000 3651 ums.ko > 9 2 0xffffffff82e15000 2a02 vboxnetflt.ko > 10 2 0xffffffff82e18000 ba78 netgraph.ko > 11 1 0xffffffff82e24000 4199 ng_ether.ko > 12 1 0xffffffff82e29000 3f64 vboxnetadp.ko > > # mount > zroot on / (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls) > devfs on /dev (devfs, local, multilabel) > data on /data (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) > data/VirtualBoxVMs on /data/VirtualBoxVMs (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) > data/almaviva_backup on /data/almaviva_backup (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) > data/cortina_cyrus on /data/cortina_cyrus (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) > data/cortina_spool on /data/cortina_spool (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) > data/maillogs on /data/maillogs (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) > data/music on /data/music (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) > data/win_images on /data/win_images (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) > I doubt it is the port that is outputting that error message so you can try trying it under truss(1) -f to find out what is. What is the point of that tool and why is it better than bases's pkg-check(8)? -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 03:59:13 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F858E50332 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A78F7C238 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 59D4BE50331; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597C0E50330 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (host-209-190-254-14.client.atlantech.net [209.190.254.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B5747C233 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:59:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (tripel [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v9J3wxUO051980; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 23:59:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 23:58:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: Frank Shute cc: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: Slow xorg after upgrade In-Reply-To: <20171018111612.GA1070@woodcruft.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <20171018111612.GA1070@woodcruft.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:59:13 -0000 On Wed, 18 Oct 2017, Frank Shute wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 09:09:05PM -0400, Chris Hill wrote: >> >> Two days ago I had to upgrade xorg (long story). Since then, it seems >> that text entry is laggy [ ... ] > You saying "...I had to upgrade xorg (long story)" gets my antennae > twitching. > > Perhaps you could expand on that a bit. Thank you for the reply. This all started when I decided to upgrade firefox; it was at 40.0.3,1, which is quite long in the tooth by now. I did a `pkg upgrade firefox`; the process eventually completed with no problems evident. But trying to run the newly-upgraded firefox gave this: $ firefox & $ /usr/local/lib/libGL.so.1: Undefined symbol "drmGetDevice2" ...and `gnumeric` produced the same output. Like an idiot, I figured I would try to build firefox in the ports system. That in turn became a rabbit hole of dependency issues (which the ports system used to take care of for you). After hours of building and failing, I finally did what I should have done in the first place: # pkg delete firefox # pkg install firefox ...and it started, albeit with some errors, which were fixable. gnumeric started working again as well. But when I exited X, it (X) wouldn't start again. (I use startx rather than a graphical login.) This is where the xorg upgrade happened. I did a `pkg delete` and `pkg install` on xorg, which got it working, which is when I saw the slow typing. > My first place to look would be: /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if > anything goes awry when X starts. Good point. There are some font-related complaints; it's looking for /usr/local/share/fonts/Type1 and some others (TTF et al), but I'm not sure why it's looking there. The correct FontPath comes up later, because I put it in xorg.conf, which I hadn't needed to do before. One thing that caught my eye was '(EE) Failed to load module "intel" (module does not exist, 0)'. It jumps out because my video controller is Intel, but maybe that's coincidence. > I updated xorg the other day with zero problems but there again I > rebuilt all my ports (using poudriere). Is it necessary to rebuild / reinstall ports after an xorg upgrade? I wouldn't have thought so, and did not do so. I also did not reboot. > You're barking up the wrong tree suggesting software bloat in the case > of X is the problem. A regression? Maybe. But X becoming incredibly > slow due to bloat in a point-release? No. Just idle speculation on my part. And I wouldn't call it incredibly slow, just annoyingly slow. Enough to be irritating. > You don't mention how you go about rebuilding your ports or what your > video hardware (and associated driver) is. I used to use ports back when that's all there was, but eventually I got aboard the pkg_* (now pkg) train. pkg being orders of magnitude faster is pretty compelling. Video hardware, from /var/run/dmesg.boot: vgapci0: port 0xec90-0xec97 mem 0xfe800000-0xfebfffff,0xd0000000-0xdfffffff irq 16 at device 2.0 on pci0 agp0: on vgapci0 agp0: aperture size is 256M, detected 32764k stolen memory The machine is a Dell GX960 with integrated everything; not the latest and greatest, but reasonably modern. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 05:21:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977C3E29369 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 05:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51C927EC0D for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 05:21:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v9J4wkjr069779; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 00:58:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 00:58:46 -0400 (EDT) From: DTD To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: stuck duel booting win-10 and FreeBSD 10.3 Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Thu, 19 Oct 2017 00:58:46 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 05:21:27 -0000 I am trying to install FreeBSD 10.3 on a Lenovo Ideapad 700. I was following some instructions to set up duel-boot with rEFInd Boot Manager and EasyUEFI. For whatever reason this did not work. I have FreeBSD installed, but the EFI code was not put where it needs to be. I have tried to use the shell to mount the disk to copy the code where it needs to go. I can not figure out a mount command. Using windows 10 diskpart, gpart and sysctl I put constructed the following map of the disk: Partition ### Type Size Offset ------------- --------- ------- ------- Partition 1 System 260 MB 1024 KB ada0p1 C: Windows boot Partition 2 Reserved 16 MB 261 MB ada0p2 Partition 3 Primary 446 GB 277 MB ada0p3 Windows NTFS Partition 8 Unknown 4096 MB 446 GB ada0p8 freebsd-swap Partition 9 Unknown 512 KB 450 GB ada0p9 freebsd-boot Partition 10 Unknown 438 GB 450 GB ada0p10 FreeBSD freebsd-ufs Partition 4 Primary 25 GB 889 GB ada0p4 Partition 5 Recovery 1000 MB 914 GB ada0p5 Partition 6 Recovery 14 GB 915 GB ada0p6 Partition 7 OEM 1000 MB 930 GB ada0p7 Using the shell option on the install disk I did the following: root@:~ # pwd / root@:~ # mount /dev/ad ad4@ ad4p2@ ad4p5@ ad4p8@ ada0p1% ada0p3% ada0p6% ada0p9% ad4p10@ ad4p3@ ad4p6@ ad4p9@ ada0p10% ada0p4% ada0p7% ad4p1@ ad4p4@ ad4p7@ ada0% ada0p2% ada0p5% ada0p8% root@:~ # mount /dev/ada0p10 /mnt mount: /dev/ada0p10: Invalid argument <------ error root@:~ # cd /tmp/ root@:/tmp # mkdir mnt root@:/tmp # ls -laF total 38 drwxrwxrwt 9 root wheel 512 Oct 19 00:24 ./ drwxr-xr-x 18 root wheel 6144 Jan 1 1970 ../ drwxrwxrwt 2 root wheel 512 Oct 19 00:17 .ICE-unix/ drwxrwxrwt 2 root wheel 512 Oct 19 00:17 .X11-unix/ drwxrwxrwt 2 root wheel 512 Oct 19 00:17 .XIM-unix/ drwxrwxrwt 2 root wheel 512 Oct 19 00:17 .font-unix/ drwxrwxr-x 2 root operator 512 Oct 19 00:17 .snap/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Oct 19 00:17 bsdinstall_etc/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Oct 19 00:17 bsdinstall_log drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Oct 19 00:24 mnt/ Think maybe /tmp was the only file system I could write to: root@:/tmp # mount /dev/ada0p10 /tmp/mnt mount: /dev/ada0p10: Invalid argument <------- same error The installer can mount and write the disk just file. I have installed this 3 different ways to try and coax the install into writing boot code somewhere. So ... what's the magic command to mount the BSD partition? I am also not sure if the EFI boot code just gets added to ada0p1. ada0p9 is a boot partition added by the current install. Is FBSD 11 more likely to work? _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 05:59:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5421E2B8B8 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 05:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 764207FF1C for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 05:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:e1a9:cc14:47bb:9ffb]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 62767D5A7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 05:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Md based tmpfs with zfs root system. To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171018164559.GA3267@anza.vindaloo.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 06:58:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171018164559.GA3267@anza.vindaloo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aH8ooV5C7cd51C48lug0OG9Ono4n9nHjs" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 05:59:07 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --aH8ooV5C7cd51C48lug0OG9Ono4n9nHjs Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="mSjvxnoFQIQeBVHqSCgKepWoLLSu9awIr"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: Md based tmpfs with zfs root system. References: <20171018164559.GA3267@anza.vindaloo.com> In-Reply-To: <20171018164559.GA3267@anza.vindaloo.com> --mSjvxnoFQIQeBVHqSCgKepWoLLSu9awIr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18/10/2017 17:45, Christopher Sean Hilton wrote: > Good day, >=20 > I've using a new system with root on zfs. I've traditionally used a > /dev/md* based tmpfs for /tmp. A little initial reading on the subject > shows an argument about this practice but I didn't find any threads > that provide a resolution. Furthermore, all the information that I > found which says that this is a bad idea dates from about FreeBSD-8.2, > and that's long obsolete. >=20 > What's the current resolution on this for a FreeBSD 11-STABLE user? > Should I avoid using a swap backed /dev/md based tmpfs filesystem for > /tmp? >=20 Using a tmpfs for /tmp is perfectly fine -- but you don't need to touch any /dev/md devices; just add a line like this to /etc/fstab: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=3D1777 0 0 I do this as standard on my machines, including in all jails. In fact, I think using a temporary swap backed filesystem for ephemeral data is an underused idea in FreeBSD: machines nowadays generally have much more swap configured than they will actually use, and that diskspace is otherwise wasted. Cheers, Matthew --mSjvxnoFQIQeBVHqSCgKepWoLLSu9awIr-- --aH8ooV5C7cd51C48lug0OG9Ono4n9nHjs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJZ6D8bXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkAT/RwP/15sjgJ8X0oCZ1Lcd/0dH7YL CuiyKNYiWQOm2ARMx7MQR08EgWI7VYNpjlM1Flfz/lSRmRt9j9t0D0VvOyNeBn6f 9/1Kz3J38yLP6umpxgWOu0wD+AdmPN8lJnlv1cIq+SnBNEFNnfNf5mDtLdh0mYGR kZM8f+ZNIM3Vg0dOFDrTfIkHnA99stljM0sI58Z7oOE8Yyi82XyD9nua62+PGkdS 42O5TpQR9TNY7RvxwMPoRXnNQCC7ClbBcLHCvwf8wmKtxELyO/zHzwLgUgVTgTwi xqSezqa2KFbBYI7B73CP9ekLRPZ6oJ/V7cS9zUQhSc6xNsOeKeUKE9xQg0aAU/Fd tvTCEw7LqB9fUi/g6++E1EmFevdxr//gG3RpS0Zpw9YDLzCh9NOUYUqj0pKLBN1e IPRp/MNkZGrKnCfNCTigfp7fu9w6ihTrFObHPofeYQxTTQGyf1x4GIdAN6qkcmWn s2NZ+JOPpgNe9RascXtBEZCsbz7EaEP/2gIhLAFHPIDGPFTSB/KrrYSqIQaajCqD XiuqUs6ankHJdWp2tL7+Qkt6r3QGZR3w3E4Jz22Qzd3crerw47DmB5P3suq1ogFz VgFv4bNVW70bya8lJ17g4tqMBET8R7yPO99K168SgKd+Jy5Dli8i6qLM90MGBgC7 Q9sEsve/6u7px2t0C3XR =wgLa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aH8ooV5C7cd51C48lug0OG9Ono4n9nHjs-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 06:13:43 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CDBE2D224 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 06:13:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 412E580775 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 06:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:e1a9:cc14:47bb:9ffb]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E080AD5AB for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 06:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Rcorder/rc.conf question on FILESYSTEMS and tmp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171018170549.GA3502@anza.vindaloo.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:13:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171018170549.GA3502@anza.vindaloo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RSdMg031ar2GmcgtTe1WRQ8xXWXIV3n8V" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 06:13:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --RSdMg031ar2GmcgtTe1WRQ8xXWXIV3n8V Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="CAUAfVBPS1GejFWnplUPhJJlLipuMHJSG"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rcorder/rc.conf question on FILESYSTEMS and tmp References: <20171018170549.GA3502@anza.vindaloo.com> In-Reply-To: <20171018170549.GA3502@anza.vindaloo.com> --CAUAfVBPS1GejFWnplUPhJJlLipuMHJSG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18/10/2017 18:05, Christopher Sean Hilton wrote: > In my other question I asked if I should use a swap backed, /dev/md > based tmpfs for /tmp. The actual problem that brings up the issue is > this: When I reconfigured my system from zfs based /tmp to swap back > /dev/md based tmpfs, I screwed up the permissions on the "/tmp" > directory. This caused slapd to fail at startup time because it > couldn't create some file or something in /tmp. I've fixed the problem > and moved on but this leaves a question: >=20 > 1) Shouldn't /etc/rc.d/FILESYSTEMS require "tmp" before it starts > up? >=20 > My usage requires slapd so I can patch this for now by adding "tmp" to > slapd's requirements but I'm very interested in the answer to the > reasons behind this question if the answer is "no". If the answer is > yes, then I just owe you a well written bug report. >=20 FILESYSTEMS requires mountcritlocal. mountcritlocal mounts all local filesystems from /etc/fstab which generally includes mounting /tmp Hmmm.... there is a /etc/rc.d/tmp which is different from just using tmpfs in /etc/fstab -- and it's the latter which I'd recommend you to implement. Looks like /etc/rc.d/tmp mounts a tmpmfs, which is a slightly different concept and the startup script only does anything if a /tmp does not already exist. In practice that would generally be limited to diskless setups and other speciality systems. Any other method for mounting /tmp than using /etc/rc.d/tmp will be based on /etc/fstab and come under mountcritlocal. That will mean that /tmp is mounted and available well before any daemons get started up. That covers the vast majority of systems. tmp not being mentioned in FILESYSTEMS is arguably a bug, but that's something people on freebsd-fs@freebsd.org would be much better placed to answer. Cheers, Matthew --CAUAfVBPS1GejFWnplUPhJJlLipuMHJSG-- --RSdMg031ar2GmcgtTe1WRQ8xXWXIV3n8V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJZ6EKUXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkATAr8QAJf8piNRdr3NoiXFefrgiVRO 6vZUhW4vIHzGOquAiwDhVZWqEC+frHyngcXXOzof2wwECSHz+Kj5byY/aQmdar6g wkcXvfTL0eQ7B+NQ7X3odoZQToYrDqjQ4vxLCLMY642mJFKSRCzNiDEXKmlXlxMf C4KjJy0qu34DKOXhR+WcLbp87uJQBB1swvnfo2Ph0MsX7IlT8aQov1Os1f2j1ik1 cp0ZsCqAxKANrsGXW2+rrTuIYZ0dwINEUG+QRLsmPruB0E748eQcd4yH7lb4xcIb iCs/nc7qHsrhcexdldwrE/sQeSG6/QBTVNA7ULaiVti/Z0PDtTsUss1Dof3V1RqR rSyMG8yES3lq6WkDu5LxwOlQ2FTXQ0GbqQcxBaIu/64BqSOv05a3OO5SFY6nC7Hb CAnFcPfAa4B1d3UqaPHaaVrYD4M5BHC5D9h8dzDnEPGuXEsw8TszOpDpnbXRbZC3 xQVQxqDFRJE8C1UpuNHMJb2iXLz6xaS1Ko2qjJ8wd9//IBzMBO2Bburw2Xfj3M38 rFqiJhi451SMHcZWtjkb82TRoHWGUE6cWVi8FFoRa/4Dl+zE0hNIdtjbRa7QB9aw wy3pM/3/KkikxpSD1YLBGam1obo9b+mgBSHAIoJjqJUXmWafA0kTwtNfKD+8wCim YKnvSK5lPiomqRlWZCxR =MvfE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RSdMg031ar2GmcgtTe1WRQ8xXWXIV3n8V-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 08:36:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4933CE33828 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:36:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E70091102 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:36:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.186] (host81-134-87-65.range81-130.btcentralplus.com [81.134.87.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v9J8a3Xg021752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:36:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20171018211136.2f143b1a@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20171018164559.GA3267@anza.vindaloo.com> <20171018211136.2f143b1a@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: Md based tmpfs with zfs root system. From: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:35:52 +0100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:36:19 -0000 On 18 October 2017 21:11:36 BST, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:45:59 -0400 >Christopher Sean Hilton wrote: > >> Good day, >> >> I've using a new system with root on zfs. I've traditionally used a >> /dev/md* based tmpfs for /tmp. A little initial reading on the >subject >> shows an argument about this practice but I didn't find any threads >> that provide a resolution. > > >md devices and tmpfs are two different things. tmpfs is a bit like an >md device, but it has its own built-in file-system, so it only uses >memory for current files, whereas an md device stores all the sectors >that have ever been written to, even if they hold deleted files. > >I don't follow ZFS much, but unless there is a specific reason not to >use tmpfs with zfs it's preferred over md devices. > >If the issue is the use of swap with zfs, neither tmpfs nor >swap-backed md devices actually require swap. My thought on reading the original question was to wonder what the ZFS ARC does with MDs. Does it result in double caching in RAM, or does something clever happen? I suspect the former. Using tempfs will probably take a bigger hit in low RAM situations (as it pages), but if you are short of RAM you'd be optimising the wrong thing with a RAM disk anyway. Does anyone remember if there is a POSIX requirement for /tmp to be nonvolatile? -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 08:47:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED826E33BE5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 924A515C2 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.186] (host81-134-87-65.range81-130.btcentralplus.com [81.134.87.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v9J8lrXA023886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:47:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <59DBA387.4050108@gmail.com> <20171009191435.145c9dd2.freebsd@edvax.de> <72772933-C642-43DB-AFD6-6B5D40EEF39E@fjl.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: How to recover data from dead hard drive. From: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:47:42 +0100 To: FreeBSD , Carmel NY Message-ID: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:47:56 -0000 On 14 October 2017 11:14:26 BST, Carmel NY wrote: >On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:03:11 +0100, Frank Leonhardt (m) stated: > >>Good list that. ddrescue is, IME, the place to start. >>I also have some expensive licensed software for recovering incomplete >file >>systems, and charge Windows users like a wounded rhinoceros when they >need >>their data back. > >Years ago, I used "Spinrite" to recover a damaged drive. It worked >better than >anything else on the market, at least for me, at the time. I don't >think it >has been maintained in over a decade though. > >Personally, I fail to understand why anyone with any "mission critical" >system would not be using some form of RAID. It doesn't make any sense >to me. >Even my Laptop is configured to automatically back up data to a cloud >service. >Even if the drive went south, I could restore all of my data. I can explain why people aren't using RAID... IME It's because they think they are. But they do it wrong, and only find out when things go wrong. Most if the disasters I deal with involve "hardware" RAID cards. I won't single out PERC or MegaRAID because that wouldn't be fair. People are using stupid operating systems (i.e. not FreeBSD or Solaris) and the HBA acts as a volume manager. The OS is clueless when a drive goes flaky as all it sees is one big drive, and the first the know if a problem is when the final one croaks. (Who is there to see the identity lamp flashing red). Companies pay lots of money for this kit (to run Windows) and believe what they were told when they bought it. The more kit costs, the more lusers trust it. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 08:58:23 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20B1E3420C for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:58:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 576BF1BB1 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:58:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.186] (host81-134-87-65.range81-130.btcentralplus.com [81.134.87.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v9J8wLXs025916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:58:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <59E21214.4020509@gmail.com> References: <59DBA387.4050108@gmail.com> <20171009191435.145c9dd2.freebsd@edvax.de> <72772933-C642-43DB-AFD6-6B5D40EEF39E@fjl.co.uk> <59E21214.4020509@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: How to recover data from dead hard drive. From: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:57:53 +0100 To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <7261CCB9-DE3D-46D0-9829-5F8BEC43E8BE@fjl.co.uk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:58:23 -0000 On 14 October 2017 14:33:08 BST, Ernie Luzar wrote: >I never said the hard drive in question was >I friend of mine went through a devoice a few years back. He did not >get > his personal xp pc in the settlement, only the hard drive which makes >a squealing noise when running. He tried to install it into his dell >desktop. But not being a computer geek he know nothing about >master/slave on the ribbon or the jumpers on the H.D. Have no idea what > >damage he may have caused doing this. >The lesson here is try the simple recover stuff first, especially if >it's a Microsoft drive. Great result! Although next time I suggest you copy the drive to an image file first. Plugging drive cables, even IDE, isn't likely to do any damage. The lines are all open collector. It was different with the ST400 interface, which would erase a track 0 if you got it wrong due to stupid definition. Of R/!W but that's ancient history! The worst thing is when someone plugs a drive in and Windoze pops up a message offering to repair it. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 09:25:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFF6E35285 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:25:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6D7A300B for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:25:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [10.144.193.19] ([148.252.129.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v9J9Pigr032593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:25:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20171014202115.GA92751@acer.zyxst.net> References: <59DBA387.4050108@gmail.com> <20171009191435.145c9dd2.freebsd@edvax.de> <72772933-C642-43DB-AFD6-6B5D40EEF39E@fjl.co.uk> <59E21214.4020509@gmail.com> <20171014214926.2fed03aa.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171014202115.GA92751@acer.zyxst.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: How to recover data from dead hard drive. From: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:25:31 +0100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:25:48 -0000 On 14 October 2017 21:21:15 BST, tech-lists wrote: >Interesting thread. > >I have a similar problem, this time with a failing (now failed) disk >that had freebsd-11-stable installed with the root-on-ZFS option. I >manged to dd over ssh an image of the disk. However, I've not been able >yet to mount the image to get the data. I think it's ZFS in the image >that's causing the issue. I've tried to spin up the image in bhyve on >another system. It gets past the demon graphic, tries to boot but drops > >to the mountroot or mfsroot (can't remember exactly) prompt. No matter >what I enter there, it still won't boot. What it defaults to is what >it used successfully when it was on the (now failed) hardware. > >Can anyone tell me how to mount and recover the image? If you're lucky this is caused by bhyve. However, by this stage, if you're booting from a once-working boot drive then the ZFS stuff should have been brought in by the loader, allowing it to mount the FS and load the OS. Have you tried specifying a different device? (Its safe to guess). I'd probably mount the image using mdconfig on a ZFS enabled machine (type zpool to check it's been compiled with the right modules) and see if it can auto-mount. Easier than sorting out boot problems, especially if the boot partition has been clobbered. ZFS is surprisingly good at reassembling stuff from odd locations using GUID metadata. Only worry I have is that its part of a striped vdev, which will allow you to boot that far using code duplicated on each drive, but then no further. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 09:49:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CFDE35BCB for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay14.qsc.de (mailrelay14.qsc.de [212.99.163.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2530739DF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:49:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay14.qsc.de; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:48:46 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-193.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.193]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CD543CC3F; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:48:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v9J9mhZF002048; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:48:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:48:43 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: How to recover data from dead hard drive. Message-Id: <20171019114843.895c0818.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <7261CCB9-DE3D-46D0-9829-5F8BEC43E8BE@fjl.co.uk> References: <59DBA387.4050108@gmail.com> <20171009191435.145c9dd2.freebsd@edvax.de> <72772933-C642-43DB-AFD6-6B5D40EEF39E@fjl.co.uk> <59E21214.4020509@gmail.com> <7261CCB9-DE3D-46D0-9829-5F8BEC43E8BE@fjl.co.uk> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay14.qsc.de with A5E436A36EF X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:1.140 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:49:05 -0000 On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:57:53 +0100, Frank Leonhardt (m) wrote: > The worst thing is when someone plugs a drive in and > Windoze pops up a message offering to repair it. That's true. In such cases, the MFT or FAT (depending on file system) can seriously get messed up, and this causes a long and complicated recovery session - often worse that what you could achieve with not "repairing" it. I've had that case a few times where "important business data" had to be rescued. With one "repaired" USB stick, it required a few days (!) just to get the image, and lots of hours for getting the data back and _sorting_ it (as any directory information already had been "repaired" into oblivion. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 10:12:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8691CE3675D for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5558B638FF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4666020D42 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 06:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 19 Oct 2017 06:12:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zyxst.net; h= content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm1; bh=OTRBcCoYWFc7uCfT8iyqP0IsT6EbOOGSvfMociemTdQ=; b=KFh0D/Uk 4C2caIUt+60EQXZ+l+zQIhWPwmz429iLO64rktaDe2/kvqyWW9+kOFr0P+G4mW7/ zizQJH5RYWL80LPUGt9MnsCUd0iE29weamoKzxqKP+GH8Yr1VfZECubPST70HRq7 vfdGwFF5XSxwYHCSfkJalPQezj+kfLqL3joOoiZde8BU6kkx0ulP4OPEGn8MvpSu 8+PY10fhbLrEy2VfVF1TM1a8ftczeDfmQIoBiQhh+28Ef87R7iWpfqKKB9z1OSgW rwCkU5RA9+bvuXhVIpAOUzMf1eKv3eBK/+KIk7ydhyLXPkmZeO5gF0sJe5eGtSh3 FMfk3G3p9PYxOw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=OTRBcCoYWFc7uCfT8iyqP0IsT6EbO OGSvfMociemTdQ=; b=kKVG/vCF5Rlv613jmBajwGx0uZykfjJYGkXbBhb6wClb6 qifWRt/jd8fi76SN+aF7JynAsRYW/mC/CiS28ZKEVRPE7N0enztVxXBrGwSVZuqF A29MIp5bBeE/ndrm6IIvpseKCPfOrxU/p5BnOcPGEhFvW70wmk91TE+qok+6GUsJ IykiExNxbY0P5i6Nw/rbKzZvQZQ1XZnVG8G255JLYtZPBW84LqjUlA8OtuJpH08A HcAVtDiov4o8yQ+k4pumt5dOuqPpLOuQrMfh148W0/Ot0Bz8w0+ag00Wdxk0vprs scOtZThO6bNB5RjTqaQksT50YJSeIHyQ1FMgW0Fjw== X-ME-Sender: Received: from acer (parsley.growveg.org [82.70.91.97]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C9FEB24767 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 06:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:12:54 +0100 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to recover data from dead hard drive. Message-ID: <20171019101253.GA23947@acer> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <59DBA387.4050108@gmail.com> <20171009191435.145c9dd2.freebsd@edvax.de> <72772933-C642-43DB-AFD6-6B5D40EEF39E@fjl.co.uk> <59E21214.4020509@gmail.com> <20171014214926.2fed03aa.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171014202115.GA92751@acer.zyxst.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:12:58 -0000 On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 10:25:31AM +0100, Frank Leonhardt (m) wrote: >If you're lucky this is caused by bhyve. However, by this stage, if >you're booting from a once-working boot drive then the ZFS stuff should >have been brought in by the loader, allowing it to mount the FS >and load the OS. > >Have you tried specifying a different device? (Its safe to guess). > >I'd probably mount the image using mdconfig on a ZFS enabled machine >(type zpool to check it's been compiled with the right modules) and >see if it can auto-mount. Easier than sorting out boot problems, >especially if the boot partition has been clobbered. I'll try again hopefully later today and get back with detailed results. I've tried most of what you've suggested, but not exactly. >ZFS is surprisingly good at reassembling stuff from odd locations using >GUID metadata. Only worry I have is that its part of a striped vdev, >which will allow you to boot that far using code duplicated on each >drive, but then no further. ZFS was installed single-disk root-on-zfs with no other options, so if there is/are vdevs present, it would be something defaulted to. I don't think there's any vdev. Thanks again for taking the time to answer. I'll get back later with better data. -- J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 10:13:53 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7747FE36870 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BEBF639E9 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [10.144.193.19] ([148.252.129.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v9JADkau041930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:13:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20171014214926.2fed03aa.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <59DBA387.4050108@gmail.com> <20171009191435.145c9dd2.freebsd@edvax.de> <72772933-C642-43DB-AFD6-6B5D40EEF39E@fjl.co.uk> <59E21214.4020509@gmail.com> <20171014214926.2fed03aa.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: How to recover data from dead hard drive. From: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:39:01 +0100 To: Polytropon , Ernie Luzar CC: FreeBSD Message-ID: <177667D3-0D2D-4B5F-A2E6-8BEA9E4784B8@fjl.co.uk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:13:53 -0000 On 14 October 2017 20:49:26 BST, Polytropon wrote: > > >> The lesson here is try the simple recover stuff first, especially if >> it's a Microsoft drive. > >The lesson is to never trust a system that you do not control. >The lesson also is not to bet on pure luck. ;-) Unsurprisingly, I agree with all that! -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 13:11:21 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2561DE3B217 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:11:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtpd.telissant.net (smtpd.telissant.net [104.225.1.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDD616952B for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:11:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from cortina.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpd.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A741129D8 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:11:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at telissant.net Received: from smtpd.telissant.net ([127.0.0.1]) by cortina.3dresearch.com (cortina.3dresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8BmUj4RQh11P for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elettra.3dresearch.com (unknown [71.112.240.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: elettra) by smtpd.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DE9EC1129DB for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elettra.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elettra.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 77C071A8952 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:10:20 -0400 From: Janos Dohanics To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: pkg_libchk(1) error Message-Id: <20171019091020.d662724b4e42fe82856fa1e2@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20171018105839.9a3488aa803d16a6a8770c34@3dresearch.com> <20171018115931.bb70975a3176f6f6b93f62ac@3dresearch.com> <20171018150400.ba68c7306d3fb8484d23dcbe@3dresearch.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:11:21 -0000 On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 17:45:03 -0500 Adam Vande More wrote: > [...] > > # mount > > zroot on / (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls) > > devfs on /dev (devfs, local, multilabel) > > data on /data (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) > > data/VirtualBoxVMs on /data/VirtualBoxVMs (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) > > data/almaviva_backup on /data/almaviva_backup (zfs, local, > > nfsv4acls) data/cortina_cyrus on /data/cortina_cyrus (zfs, local, > > nfsv4acls) data/cortina_spool on /data/cortina_spool (zfs, local, > > nfsv4acls) data/maillogs on /data/maillogs (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) > > data/music on /data/music (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) > > data/win_images on /data/win_images (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) > > > > I doubt it is the port that is outputting that error message so you > can try trying it under truss(1) -f to find out what is. Well, truss(1) -f generated a file which is about 550 MB, I'll upload it somewhere if you want to see it... > What is the point of that tool and why is it better than bases's > pkg-check(8)? It's been just habit and inertia, I have been using ports-mgmt/bsdadminscripts for years and switched to ports-mgmt/bsdadminscripts2 out of curiosity. However, my initial post was a false alarm: I Ctrl-C-d pkg_libchk(1) as it started to show 'ELF binary type "0" not known' messages. I now played with pkg_libchk(1) more - it does show a lot of 'ELF binary type "0" not known' messages, which it didn't do before, but it does finish successfully. Thank you for your replies. -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 14:13:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7949E3CB5F for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A28FC6BA4B for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1e5BZO-0007hV-OS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:13:10 -0600 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:13:10 -0600 From: The Doctor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Managing Swap Space Message-ID: <20171019141310.GA12189@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:13:55 -0000 REcently I have been getting swap space full messages. How can Swap space be managaed on FreeBSD? -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism Talk Sense to a fool and he calls you foolish - Euripides From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 14:34:09 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4583E3D23D for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x235.google.com (mail-qt0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8990F6C334 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x235.google.com with SMTP id 31so14653016qtz.9 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:34:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=td+bYGTCp4sXDmA1WbUQUMO6KiOvEonsX5DvWthHZ7A=; b=DxJMR0xZPr7YPWJT3Kf5KDqf19PmTp/wDdBThfbli8ReEQt3KM+Nfh+9Yqzcpvgbmm LtJ8L/lveHG3xvCCVI0NUuGgh/BA4+Gyo1b6FaiBO/1MSR8jd9ztMap54ykGaNJuGUY0 gaRBGUL/2CRoHH6055ICyLIGVqDKDCXueCBlIfvJA7/cXMlgyHzKvLlnHJ3aY+ULuaZM s1PGO53dNY9fL1zWGTRsm4zcukhysmjnqA13ulehsYH+Hm6LD1FKmqTxmT9mV0ySkL2V 2e4fZ+0TumQmN7vthyOMsx1kFpFNXi2nv/IubUEP1bMYQYKNH0S/GTMbff85CiRUVepO YNwg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=td+bYGTCp4sXDmA1WbUQUMO6KiOvEonsX5DvWthHZ7A=; b=qfEjG9XH5LW0Rb4wzJ+GEub3yGCe9PaJTmMcay/MAHcTfvw2vv5WdivUUSC5OFfDqz dthqenp7KlLACj/azdStIPifGXS5BjNOu+Oi6Gi4xMUHDNn/VgLmHNX+DotBm7ZuHjZj wFu9r00cGZZQuk+eHo5DNGSxfAAJcVNdDAtAgoH7IoXr2Jm5bzcN3iX0n+YY3fQ7+fjH 5/RjIR9IBxZNauXqbYU1dtr5sKq5CPmW6+8SGzU2KeBeHW1q0Icnm0t7aLDgCEC1AEUP YmSMivfclWGXfG8bAklULxsUy08Ubf/XtpyUHtEkv0oktOdSg81/sfZ1EKP1GzFVj8eC VUrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaX86OjVQRFh0CQLCrLP1rIP7mCu9fQnderRPRMYU3++U7Y1e86o ISKA36S9KuWn3XKsKDMzxwVcwN4fWlpM8yIQG8mOH0K1E3Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+Tybx7E1b+AZfL8ZZtGtVK3/ZwwVQX+8Cj8ZCHXM5kaZT5Z03dSbiFBxADhE8QWwgNMKZKbQmy/GvkDnamAnfk= X-Received: by 10.237.63.129 with SMTP id s1mr2436130qth.89.1508423648270; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:34:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.46.229 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:34:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20171019141310.GA12189@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20171019141310.GA12189@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> From: Michael Sierchio Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:34:07 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Managing Swap Space To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:34:09 -0000 On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:13 AM, The Doctor wrote: > REcently I have been getting swap space full messages. > > How can Swap space be managaed on FreeBSD? ... > You can add it at any time. It's better if you have a raw partition to swap on, of course. presumably, your /etc/fstab has an entry akin to this /dev/ada0p3 none swap sw 0 0 You can add another if you have another partition ready. You can swap to a file, too. Not recommended, but helpful in an emergency. You might try to figure out what is consuming your existing swap. > man 8 swapon --=20 "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 14:43:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C79E3D660 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:43:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F4846C77A for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:43:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1e5C2C-0005mJ-OJ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:42:56 -0600 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:42:56 -0600 From: The Doctor To: Michael Sierchio Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Managing Swap Space Message-ID: <20171019144256.GA15251@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20171019141310.GA12189@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:43:51 -0000 On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 07:34:07AM -0700, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:13 AM, The Doctor > wrote: > > > REcently I have been getting swap space full messages. > > > > How can Swap space be managaed on FreeBSD? ... > > > > You can add it at any time. It's better if you have a raw partition to swap > on, of course. > > presumably, your /etc/fstab has an entry akin to this > > /dev/ada0p3 none swap sw 0 0 > > You can add another if you have another partition ready. You can swap to a > file, too. Not recommended, but helpful in an emergency. You might try to > figure out what is consuming your existing swap. > > man 8 swapon > Could help. Ideally i want to get rid of swap_pager-getswapspace messages from /var/log/messages . Also , /etc/fstab read # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/mfid0p2 / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/mfid0p3 none swap sw 0 0 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 fdesc /dev/fd fdescfs rw 0 0 > > -- > "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no > wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." > > - The Mah??bh??rata > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism Talk Sense to a fool and he calls you foolish - Euripides From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 15:02:09 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E807E3DE6E for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 15:02:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520F26D1E8 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 15:02:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 00D85CB8D08; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:02:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:02:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43621.128.135.52.6.1508425321.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <59DBA387.4050108@gmail.com> <20171009191435.145c9dd2.freebsd@edvax.de> <72772933-C642-43DB-AFD6-6B5D40EEF39E@fjl.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:02:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: How to recover data from dead hard drive. From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Cc: "FreeBSD" , "Carmel NY" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 15:02:09 -0000 On Thu, October 19, 2017 3:47 am, Frank Leonhardt (m) wrote: > > > On 14 October 2017 11:14:26 BST, Carmel NY wrote: >>On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:03:11 +0100, Frank Leonhardt (m) stated: >> >>>Good list that. ddrescue is, IME, the place to start. > >>>I also have some expensive licensed software for recovering incomplete >>file >>>systems, and charge Windows users like a wounded rhinoceros when they >>need >>>their data back. >> >>Years ago, I used "Spinrite" to recover a damaged drive. It worked >>better than >>anything else on the market, at least for me, at the time. I don't >>think it >>has been maintained in over a decade though. >> >>Personally, I fail to understand why anyone with any "mission critical" >>system would not be using some form of RAID. It doesn't make any sense >>to me. >>Even my Laptop is configured to automatically back up data to a cloud >>service. >>Even if the drive went south, I could restore all of my data. > > I can explain why people aren't using RAID... IME It's because they think > they are. But they do it wrong, and only find out when things go wrong. > > Most if the disasters I deal with involve "hardware" RAID cards. I won't > single out PERC or MegaRAID because that wouldn't be fair. Hm... My mileage is different. I use hardware RAIDs a lot. With great success, and not a single disaster happened to me. Statistics for my case is: between a dozen and two dozens of hardware RAIDs during at least decade and a half. Some that are still are in production are over 10 years old. My favorite 3ware, alas, was eradicated by competitors, second favorite is Areca, next will be LSI, and it is not a most favorite as it has horrible (confusing!) command client interface. Sometimes people come from different places and tell "hardware RAID horror" stories. After detailed review, all of them boil down to either or all of: 1. RAID was not set up correctly. Namely: there were no surface scan (scrub, or similar) scheduled to happen. Monthly would be enough, I usually schedule it weekly. I will not go into detail how it leads to problem, it's been described many times; 2. notification to sysadmin about failed drive, lost redundancy of RAID is not arranged (which is as well incorrectly configured RAID) 3. inappropriate drives are used. The worst for RAID are "green" drives that spin down to conserve power. While they spin up when request from RAID card comes, they just time out... 4. Enabling cache, while not having battery backup that keeps cache RAM with all its data in case of power outage ... I've heard many time people bashing hardware RAID in favor of software RAID. And everybody who is in favor of software RAID ignored the following. Software RAID runs as process(es) under the main system. Hardware RAID runs under very slim system on its own dedicated hardware (CPU, RAM inside RAID card). The difference is: the second is way more robust; being really small code it is much less likely to have bugs. If the [main] system locks up, software RAID never finishes its function, and whereas there are mechanisms for filesystem to be recovered from similar situation, (software) RAID does not have good mechanisms to get out of it with minimal losses (someone correct me if I'm wrong here). Hardware RAID will continue and finish its tasks even if the [main] system got locked up with kernel panic: it is independent of system that runs on the machine. Similarly with sudden power loss, if power is restored within reasonable time hardware RAID will loose much less (if any) as opposed to software RAID. All in all hardware RAID is one of well known general ways of increasing reliability of sophisticated system: instead of designing one big sophisticated system one splits it into independent smaller and simpler functioning units each of them keeps doing its task even if some other unit failed (next step will be redundancy, which I'm leaving out as it does not relate to software/hardware RAID comparison). Just my $0.02 Valeri > > People are using stupid operating systems (i.e. not FreeBSD or Solaris) > and the HBA acts as a volume manager. The OS is clueless when a drive goes > flaky as all it sees is one big drive, and the first the know if a problem > is when the final one croaks. (Who is there to see the identity lamp > flashing red). > > Companies pay lots of money for this kit (to run Windows) and believe what > they were told when they bought it. The more kit costs, the more lusers > trust it. > > > > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 17:10:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A408E40F93 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:10:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@vindaloo.com) Received: from yavin.vindaloo.com (yavin.vindaloo.com [173.199.117.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "yavin.vindaloo.com", Issuer "Vindaloo Sign CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4785E71739; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:10:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@vindaloo.com) Received: from anza.vindaloo.com (ool-45714982.dyn.optonline.net [69.113.73.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.vindaloo.com", Issuer "Vindaloo Sign CA" (verified OK)) by yavin.vindaloo.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED7C3D7AB5; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from csh-desktop-vm00.loopone.com (h4.82.141.40.ip.windstream.net [40.141.82.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by anza.vindaloo.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38758101D6; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:10:44 -0400 From: Christopher Sean Hilton To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rcorder/rc.conf question on FILESYSTEMS and tmp Message-ID: <20171019171044.7ccqyxfr72v52fsp@csh-desktop-vm00.loopone.com> References: <20171018170549.GA3502@anza.vindaloo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171013 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:10:58 -0000 On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 07:13:40AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 18/10/2017 18:05, Christopher Sean Hilton wrote: [ ...snip... ] > FILESYSTEMS requires mountcritlocal. mountcritlocal mounts all local > filesystems from /etc/fstab which generally includes mounting /tmp > > Hmmm.... there is a /etc/rc.d/tmp which is different from just using > tmpfs in /etc/fstab -- and it's the latter which I'd recommend you to > implement. > > Looks like /etc/rc.d/tmp mounts a tmpmfs, which is a slightly different > concept and the startup script only does anything if a /tmp does not > already exist. In practice that would generally be limited to diskless > setups and other speciality systems. > > Any other method for mounting /tmp than using /etc/rc.d/tmp will be > based on /etc/fstab and come under mountcritlocal. That will mean that > /tmp is mounted and available well before any daemons get started up. > That covers the vast majority of systems. tmp not being mentioned in > FILESYSTEMS is arguably a bug, but that's something people on > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org would be much better placed to answer. > To summarize, there are two ways to get /tmp mounted on a memory backed filesystem. One is specify the options in /etc/fstab, and the other is to specify something like this: tmpmfs="YES" # Set to YES to always create an mfs /tmp, NO to never tmpsize="1g" # Size of mfs /tmp if created tmpmfs_flags="-S -o async,noexec" # Extra mdmfs options for the mfs /tmp In /etc/rc.conf. You recommend specifying the options in /etc/fstab. That will make mountcritlocal force the /tmp filesystem to be mounted and ready before it exits and then things only need depend on FILESYSTEMS being done. Ok, problem solved. -- Chris > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- Chris __o "All I was trying to do was get home from work." _`\<,_ -Rosa Parks ___(*)/_(*)____.___o____..___..o...________ooO..._____________________ Christopher Sean Hilton [chris/at/vindaloo/dot/com] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 17:32:25 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA65E4211B for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:32:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "troutmask", Issuer "troutmask" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3F6873E25 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:32:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v9JHWORP031834 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id v9JHWO9O031833 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:32:24 -0700 From: Steve Kargl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Two jail questions Message-ID: <20171019173224.GA31648@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Reply-To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:32:26 -0000 1) If an application (e.g., sshd) needs to reach the internet from a jail, is it required to have the host system running pf (or other packet filtering software)? 2) Suppose I have to classes of users on a system: normal users and guest users. For normal users (including those that are members of the wheel group), I would like those individuals to be able to use ssh to connect to the host system. For guest users, I want to isolate those users in a jailed environment. Thus, I'll have sshd running in both the host and jail. How do I setup such a scheme? -- Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 17:44:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDC7E42744 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22b.google.com (mail-it0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31AA0748CC for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id 72so10673457itk.3 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:44:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7lZcQw07xZFBAreQqnkIR5cKGjsQ+rSKjYUPI/dpe3g=; b=jcQiUohseUWWsTL4NRb3Hsg1R6Y/AUT3H8faWfgvBIngrV3rDHUrsgQ3vR2wlt+QeT I/lEV4IQNZJ4Wn0DGmlIHqlC20Wvsk0DnhzPuymKcLRUeFoPCMqhkMViBHGcrWfYvh84 VW7cNyx93jVCR5jH7wecqlHmJ3l6SCDTUrqZhJxIzKIBurUj3aL8FF8bbDpWaBrV3P1h 9efbJz85HsHzL5JMe+0wP1UteS9tccfyNJzARmPdtU07fVh+tom9zJpUHwpEemsEuugS nKJA/F3XhB1m5zqV0KSnFRCHEAlQjXzINa0LaQy8LVYAzVpj+PB5BDtdjkiZBWRZvBhZ JDbw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7lZcQw07xZFBAreQqnkIR5cKGjsQ+rSKjYUPI/dpe3g=; b=I/7zwoCPxbH/YeEYlGm+UnErcqsyhWgmdpbyaaPg/NAQVQB9ko7AGwk19nNXK6bZdm wdY7qCwtew+Uucd/ZBlZ9nGxhcObRGvbs2jVUw6DGKtVnX22+iigFYqeNeS/vRcFTML4 ePs2+UsmRKVr/5dhgEwBfeQp5IX+JQXGrRaZVp83IPmF+DQDCZ7RS7JTrJKUd5QDJ2HC Jpn7GmACGegEtinrxnUksVt+OraSBjL948h9kJVaPq6MUWZZlKlP4ukwRc6FKM/p2oB2 CKaNAiML5+Ucxk9o9XVfL5VjE+vI1RVqsDmWmH/IQzzdy5581FRVIrlBiplEMp31C6p3 SNpA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUd/qw8W0v8V9P2qrwn8c1xZJe9ldPuAd4XNCLGBNITv2rrUySa wid6Oz50nBRQk33PIYmiiDzKQA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+Suw/GzhkBSQbagZuLquDYCJkrXEXKkjNt7YOgutVLhKobPrY+c1wODHT2woeDqAAQGYOo39w== X-Received: by 10.36.246.76 with SMTP id u73mr3456614ith.55.1508435055465; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (50-243-4-3-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id v8sm878324itb.42.2017.10.19.10.44.14 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Two jail questions To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171019173224.GA31648@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> From: JD Message-ID: <59E8E464.2040205@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:44:04 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171019173224.GA31648@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:44:16 -0000 On 10/19/2017 11:32 AM, Steve Kargl wrote: > 1) If an application (e.g., sshd) needs to reach the internet from a > jail, is it required to have the host system running pf (or other > packet filtering software)? > > 2) Suppose I have to classes of users on a system: normal users and > guest users. For normal users (including those that are members > of the wheel group), I would like those individuals to be able > to use ssh to connect to the host system. For guest users, I > want to isolate those users in a jailed environment. Thus, I'll > have sshd running in both the host and jail. How do I setup > such a scheme? > You might want to read https://access.redhat.com/solutions/284873 https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-automatically-chroot-jail-selected-ssh-user-logins From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 17:46:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEFEE42880 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x233.google.com (mail-it0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96F6074ABE for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x233.google.com with SMTP id l196so10672722itl.4 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:46:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9urMpehUxfwyhHid2WYxAOJFxirOEW6fbtFnpsDublU=; b=NsDvOeFdn0L7nCQXwOeBqnSQrrvEhNcqG7/lDpDXB0CSwd7sBLLM1WIGX4kq/ZWdAe jx/5D+GpMl/Mr6dCbMk7zyC5lu5gt0cjWO2tdLjKPq6Ttw0FNExYBF3X9xfikA0haX/Q bnR/Zs1cLgMErSEw7S+aBfLW2bnShDINjsYDwKDpxC4ICu6xMPvZoJuSUbPVn+Dtbzux JOoLemcRfM8k1OFNhOutWRoHyC6203hOn1lYc1tqVqyLpWr3L/SVnwuKXdibsDB2awZx wCCN+g1Iww3flesEkaaV+5MJY2jJrV9MI4QZdi0p4ssoqk4sxqByIBLdWsJ77N1tnQBc yfag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9urMpehUxfwyhHid2WYxAOJFxirOEW6fbtFnpsDublU=; b=BGkzfHWGNBFNGSBGzQdtTUS4Ms0znPNV2yn3dKHrN4rGBbjBEiRtlEOQHmxDM9sCm7 szQraaNVDB2dk75hW0uAcR9evSmv+KoWFt3RToLoespntKocEXh4RoL0B22yM0Pq3Zsy hi+x3II4gs5L4vROjXaTu6tB0+K61vuUmMOU0AhqQYQMcP5F3sC1DwwTbRtp6pEvg+se l/+HsIaSI/kZNYtZbF7SgZ8CMVgnADvDcsX/ZhfKQpHjG59DmnAsi/b9b8tEquMXA7eG tB5R0n50uguhrEaJcFCdYUFGutedRRcaP5DMPwb3meVV3kCAF78uczdAdkKPJT3lLTO7 /Irg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaX8c90MO3B2Dof9dc/m+buuSnLN/jzoflyhsKZyvgHBSwZVHjVE 3DRkkJXGsfTSgFKXJyasRGBcK3/dBUSdFmvlGvc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+SQReQR7DFSj3B4QbNVic7afYcoRIRtVJUxcctKxWEOMgSFtdkiBB8Vvi12Y1IbfG67pgOw/rCPTTEJwVdwkp4= X-Received: by 10.36.51.212 with SMTP id k203mr3608661itk.74.1508435175050; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:46:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.176.201 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:46:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20171019173224.GA31648@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <20171019173224.GA31648@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> From: Adam Vande More Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 12:46:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Two jail questions To: Steve Kargl Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:46:15 -0000 On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Steve Kargl wrote: > > 1) If an application (e.g., sshd) needs to reach the internet from a > jail, is it required to have the host system running pf (or other > packet filtering software)? > No. See VNET/VIMAGE > 2) Suppose I have to classes of users on a system: normal users and > guest users. For normal users (including those that are members > of the wheel group), I would like those individuals to be able > to use ssh to connect to the host system. For guest users, I > want to isolate those users in a jailed environment. Thus, I'll > have sshd running in both the host and jail. How do I setup > such a scheme? > sshd in the jail needs to run on a different port if you're using the same ip, otherwise if you use an independent networking stack you would configure as normal. User X on host != User X on jail -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 17:57:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A13E42C64 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markmoellering@psyberation.com) Received: from mail-qt0-x22e.google.com (mail-qt0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0148575125 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:57:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markmoellering@psyberation.com) Received: by mail-qt0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id d9so8705922qtd.7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:57:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=psyberation-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=cFWdcihwODnLBgKqnZspCdA2069LGFe0oHOauyyM/YU=; b=uxdDa8SZzpf6ZV36abd/fSA70L/ra+tuBi6wLvDVKNOFEYOqoGOoIZUgy/FETaDPbd 9tx0nRyqzWY/iWD0xpkbHfwGTa03mP0qevNtGXtdMH1NhMnjZ5XoFSWcKej9yQtI7YiE pv4ijlmmAZxXUECxqQTlqFt2lfYQWcmSzWSwXz8fZ7ym4m1X7hym+IuxGO1FoQOD1pTR icUE/ah8prplwyGOjfGMbKLzvE4hTLYNxGLUYAoZZAnACfwSchcugSHRbRoLawzQQsLL 6zTYVnJMyM9nAshdbwLQP+Gf6aw1hF9kqRgMLbSIMTuoJNGce6PXrVb+qOlYcNK85/nY CaKw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=cFWdcihwODnLBgKqnZspCdA2069LGFe0oHOauyyM/YU=; b=uhU74tsceNXDaFy4PLVJUiQaV26eX+K54Msetz8IwFZWcw2RqruAaIlKgEVdReuqoN SXt/V+Ynuguj0xB5BLVatKiNVzGZbUslgQk2KeqMDPDv8fqZvg0mbsElYBtEUCY61nqt FiA3ue5NqgfMC8wz26AgZf08wdQloGFd3Y8m4te8JKooLVYXpVZEKdSOTYp5HwNAXqLy REr4U/pzf7mzwgITFnTwmQN//ey4nofZqb+fMLzyvt9GcgCuTpzjnFTMNVs8s2aR6XbH rxqWL6FDSq0D3KlKBO6yhbdWm0+xgKni6P7VY+erSLoSSlPSW7u7jdTEhbgjaHt/2N7P kenw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVxSrvQjuvE2j3tQOU33IxkXLDYum+6Htd1rh2PG7yVWYWTYijo +5J72HSKueoRq3KeYmdOwUkyyKWGOR2k00v1xuQ2fA0p X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+RZV8Tzk71hGbYJn/RYDSdGK1wDT0fkNCdRs5IOPnhBOn1EpTRVYarKD+LmrVw9r8W910j5awzMGl6dxBFhUxg= X-Received: by 10.200.6.9 with SMTP id d9mr3472959qth.230.1508435853644; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:57:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.52.110 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:57:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20171019173224.GA31648@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> From: Mark Moellering Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:57:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Two jail questions To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:57:35 -0000 > 2) Suppose I have to classes of users on a system: normal users and > guest users. For normal users (including those that are members > of the wheel group), I would like those individuals to be able > to use ssh to connect to the host system. For guest users, I > want to isolate those users in a jailed environment. Thus, I'll > have sshd running in both the host and jail. How do I setup > such a scheme? > *sshd in the jail needs to run on a different port if you're using the same *ip, otherwise if you use an independent networking stack you would *configure as normal. *User X on host != User X on jail To expand on what was previously said; Normally, when you set up a jail, you set it up like a mini virtual server (with a few caveats...). So it should have its own IP address and it will have its own instance of sshd and its own set of users. For completeness; you would create a virtual IP (or one for each jail, in the case of multiple jails) and assign the virtual IP to the jail. It will appear as a separate server on the network. You can't run pf from a jail, that has to be on the main host. You also can't run NFS from a jail (something I spent many hours some time ago). You do need to make sure that daemons on the main host don't try to listen on all ports. I used "Absolute FreeBSD" by Michael Lucas as a guide for this. (Full disclosure, I know him personally). Mark Moellering On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Steve Kargl > edu> wrote: > > > > > 1) If an application (e.g., sshd) needs to reach the internet from a > > jail, is it required to have the host system running pf (or other > > packet filtering software)? > > > > No. See VNET/VIMAGE > > > > 2) Suppose I have to classes of users on a system: normal users and > > guest users. For normal users (including those that are members > > of the wheel group), I would like those individuals to be able > > to use ssh to connect to the host system. For guest users, I > > want to isolate those users in a jailed environment. Thus, I'll > > have sshd running in both the host and jail. How do I setup > > such a scheme? > > > > sshd in the jail needs to run on a different port if you're using the same > ip, otherwise if you use an independent networking stack you would > configure as normal. > > User X on host != User X on jail > > -- > Adam > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 18:00:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760C3E42E43 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "troutmask", Issuer "troutmask" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 598F175388 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id v9JI0cf5032168 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:00:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id v9JI0ceq032167; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:00:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:00:38 -0700 From: Steve Kargl To: Adam Vande More Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Two jail questions Message-ID: <20171019180038.GA32097@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Reply-To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu References: <20171019173224.GA31648@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:00:39 -0000 On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 12:46:14PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Steve Kargl edu> wrote: > > > > > 1) If an application (e.g., sshd) needs to reach the internet from a > > jail, is it required to have the host system running pf (or other > > packet filtering software)? > > > > No. See VNET/VIMAGE Thanks for the pointer. I haven't looked at vnet/vimage yet. All the examples I found via google suggested that packet filtering was necessary. The host system, on which I'm setting up the jail, already sits behind 2 firewalls. Adding a third seemed to be overkill (unless required for the jail!). > > 2) Suppose I have to classes of users on a system: normal users and > > guest users. For normal users (including those that are members > > of the wheel group), I would like those individuals to be able > > to use ssh to connect to the host system. For guest users, I > > want to isolate those users in a jailed environment. Thus, I'll > > have sshd running in both the host and jail. How do I setup > > such a scheme? > > > > sshd in the jail needs to run on a different port if you're using the same > ip, otherwise if you use an independent networking stack you would > configure as normal. So, then this comes down to ssh normal@a.b.c.d <-- host system's sshd listening on default port ssh -p 1111 guest@a.b.c.d <-- jailed sshd listening on port 1111 -- Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 18:13:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A11CE4360F for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22f.google.com (mail-it0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FAE175EC7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 72so10771773itk.3 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:13:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jNZQj1aJ7da0Ujvu4EtHEkQPPBsPq+EEq15FzNRm9os=; b=kbp29rwM4FxGAQZFuOBy/Vxty/Y/1SZ0kg+cJpE4TKGWovQkvRbGTGPNKGjcNxAYix csvBn2jduAitd6EJSBsptaZA6iYVuJvEmgxQ/UOvyWSDMewR6zu7YqAM84kQaLnXKp0q Mz9NEuZFK8lrURLBZfPMrxlC69R5sbZO+euu2EXb7K1u3kqwRCsLJl+ouuMVlkVKnXu3 YxQvkMbPiQODwt1ULrHTJqEegAJKNEz2CJm72yPyZuO2vnhNwV5xC/KrJ2GSUeefVTV/ 7N/zJEgBfYS2CYhHTBgFyYRXRN0/keGTY3y0ZBpzfplJvby3g3qeBigz25LqbT+FvFME qfGQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jNZQj1aJ7da0Ujvu4EtHEkQPPBsPq+EEq15FzNRm9os=; b=js4/3VdsynEsVGLzSwv3b2nVwKcJ28Mizp48PNT62bXEONjzH7YtXwqfilBoo75g+d YgKRepu5aG69a6y5b5Jn6bRkNoI4ynVFtrwBqXeSx9eNsNomPXj6BFybTjaEAOXziIMT oTqVcsw8aGkFvPQiV/EFiKr12YQOJCko8h94/aTLakz539eGwvDc/akspnPFy2V/sPXw y9yQstfsH28o4ZRlark9lrS0N1rreqoiYkaYeegltniD8+XowPoo6YeH7hmN5ojHEatY cL78MN1ytq1wZtXldlVoIey9t38kAXQVncJotZdmfIsMGISYHGIobomTxXUAsBIVYUn+ 6/sA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaW9DUY+AiXevrKjzfy/iaVxsNfL4Xl44O/GBD1Gdugd9qpLJIVn enL29NYwm3kUyIthA2J9gPDm/yzWSes1mlDhOWZj7w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+QmUvV365sBXf8ra59r+nHrLZIz0Ff4xM2ovf/0geLlRx1GwoppGuqwTRSDjcgfLtUVVJcl0i8dLQ8fBOWDKz4= X-Received: by 10.36.51.212 with SMTP id k203mr3732046itk.74.1508436789681; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:13:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.176.201 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 11:13:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20171019180038.GA32097@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <20171019173224.GA31648@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20171019180038.GA32097@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> From: Adam Vande More Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:13:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Two jail questions To: Steve Kargl Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:13:10 -0000 On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Steve Kargl < sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > > > sshd in the jail needs to run on a different port if you're using the > same > > ip, otherwise if you use an independent networking stack you would > > configure as normal. > > So, then this comes down to > > ssh normal@a.b.c.d <-- host system's sshd listening on default > port > ssh -p 1111 guest@a.b.c.d <-- jailed sshd listening on port 1111 > On a non-VNET/VIMAGE jail, this is the standard way. For a VNET/VIMAGE you could do a regular ssh guest@w.x.y.z since the jail would have it's own real ip. That is assuming you added the guest user to the jail and all the networking/routing is good. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 18:59:13 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15CCE4465A for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mail.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.177.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.blih.net", Issuer "mail.blih.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51B16775E6 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:59:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mail.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.177.182]) by mail.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 07e25d8a; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 20:59:09 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; h=date :from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=yTA90tpvqzLWi+cqlw7B86f9qhY=; b=JFV8XRbD/u62R8FU6BEiw9Du0IBM z+c0fPRdzW9RAWNoH98HDMAChILftCuKL3B6EIOmIRohgHAD5VCS8KOPPZgi6PIH x4ka1S/nQatYxdz7/uR9hywVwSkDlGQKyLUi3aESg/Nz6+Gr2p2EilmLTo0bhhZU EB3lrGlGiHXOVec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=bidouilliste.com; h=date :from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s= mail; b=Iqd3E1EO+ELrSaofdcengU+8IZedXEj5x5ubiAsXaaSZ7rC4CKlSloa8 WpbfRm0ZKnRsV8MqHKlLcgzMkTsesGojx1e/Q+pTqWjDLudBS3jV7x0ND6zYD+17 wKitgpPPpML5R4wu8YKNaRcGqbwIdxM/uDHw8AiRe5WRTuTpiA0= Received: from knuckles.blih.net (ip-9.net-89-3-105.rev.numericable.fr [89.3.105.9]) by mail.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 7516f846 TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 20:59:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 20:59:08 +0200 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: Adam Vande More Cc: Steve Kargl , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Two jail questions Message-Id: <20171019205908.f7062a2a6c70fede16d3cac1@bidouilliste.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20171019173224.GA31648@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20171019180038.GA32097@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:59:14 -0000 On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:13:09 -0500 Adam Vande More wrote: > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Steve Kargl < > sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > > > > > > sshd in the jail needs to run on a different port if you're using the > > same > > > ip, otherwise if you use an independent networking stack you would > > > configure as normal. > > > > So, then this comes down to > > > > ssh normal@a.b.c.d <-- host system's sshd listening on default > > port > > ssh -p 1111 guest@a.b.c.d <-- jailed sshd listening on port 1111 > > > > On a non-VNET/VIMAGE jail, this is the standard way. For a VNET/VIMAGE you > could do a regular > > ssh guest@w.x.y.z > > since the jail would have it's own real ip. That is assuming you added the > guest user to the jail and all the networking/routing is good. > > -- > Adam Even with non-VNET/VIMAGE a jail can have it's own IP and you can ssh directly into it. For a standard /etc/jail.conf configuration I think you need to add the IP to the host as an alias, for iocage it does that for you. -- Emmanuel Vadot From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 20:15:39 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E36E4635E for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 20:15:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22a.google.com (mail-it0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EC047E0AF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 20:15:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id o135so11183615itb.0 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:15:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-transfer-encoding; bh=B8ySlHf1L8+lRqV/A/0MxB1GkElu7iVxXEL4FhwteN8=; b=DRdOBJSWVPBNp3o/boNACu3kSHYV1nclnXT8BOowhjoGtyDg2948JQcu+AALoHI4pI ka+CPVJLLpZv5Q8Fdoh8tCQhMDEOrzgk4e9RAtCHux90goERroYXCHBP9iPlkyqWwmRU YqkcGA5IIOOCbtcmUuMgqhSUdPM6XCFWVkS6THsUVduLIzL9tJXsF/PXFOh/a84fPolm 6Q5PYVqP8egS5QMaS2On1i4o0gINu/96i1msoJ+XCjHspNGpDY8sI3JokTFv5mvsCpgz Qar4eqF5KHkYfyXe1OMcojSf1A1ga9tS2582PKYAiz/L+wCDdFY2HuALhlPbiGAbdEpX OmUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-transfer-encoding; bh=B8ySlHf1L8+lRqV/A/0MxB1GkElu7iVxXEL4FhwteN8=; b=WcinQOX14vExBm2F+ITb2xSvfHFfL6iMKFhlqIfSzrsgERx0JM1TMhGya3YH0xNilt +C43cabwCU2wTpCjHaZR1lRYWZyRhZpOOCicUR4i0ateYj1/OMrZpI4/WEJjH3Br2MQO WaMabFdm+sF6s8H/vPcZPoMfCDq5VbxWXLXudIyo3x1IvpJQQfW0mkpRg0Y/AXE2/q+m y3o2qRnx56wfTQJo47jytwE6WpCkY/A5eS5GP9/04b3SsETOuW6ozueYtzzQevWtV5lu HmSME3MGcAumg3YxbfqQ0YaXF6/i3HbpAdPWd/fa08DBF9YQ7SFoAVnvaCkzpO97G39b NnFw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWYTBC3Cnq7VXs5FfIudqFwMc5GSDgRKgfSbK5vBDExJXSMnApW y+lTTsfAWRxLxIZl5UaJb5xCLQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+STImK5dLNPd4HJ1LrDvHVuswobF8ZTThz+ZEOJ9UU4LJSmyWyl16VjjKW2DtfYTwOphOfD8A== X-Received: by 10.36.111.194 with SMTP id x185mr3925674itb.54.1508444138855; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.5] (cpe-65-25-53-37.neo.res.rr.com. [65.25.53.37]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m141sm1041379itm.12.2017.10.19.13.15.38 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Oct 2017 13:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <59E907EB.4060005@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:15:39 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Need suggestions for registrar providing dynamic dns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 20:15:39 -0000 Have had no success in finding a hosting company or registrar that provides dynamic DNS function as part of their normal services. Does anyone know or use a service that offers it? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 21:40:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E38E480DF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 21:40:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rapphhael@equiknox.net) Received: from mail.equiknox.net (rapphhael-1-pt.tunnel.tserv21.tor1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1c:840::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2EC381E31 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 21:40:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rapphhael@equiknox.net) Received: from [192.168.2.15] (almapq1414w-lp140-01-174-93-142-166.dsl.bell.ca [174.93.142.166]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.equiknox.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C0B05A2CC6; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Need suggestions for registrar providing dynamic dns From: rapphhael X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15A432) In-Reply-To: <59E907EB.4060005@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:40:32 -0400 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <52D54E93-E443-48FE-A0D5-224BD619BE46@equiknox.net> References: <59E907EB.4060005@gmail.com> To: Ernie Luzar X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 21:40:35 -0000 When you sais ..function as part of their normal services.... Do you mean Fre= e ? For some time I use : http://freedns.afraid.org All you have to do is pointing your domain name to their root servers and it= provide dynamic dns updates using a lot of different technic.=20 > Le 19 oct. 2017 =C3=A0 16:15, Ernie Luzar a =C3=A9cri= t : >=20 > Have had no success in finding a hosting company or registrar that provide= s dynamic DNS function as part of their normal services. >=20 > Does anyone know or use a service that offers it? >=20 > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 21:55:45 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37B8E4864E for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 21:55:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce@x15.net) Received: from mx4.x15.net (mx4.x15.net [69.55.236.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B132E82579 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 21:55:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce@x15.net) Received: from wray.x15.net [69.55.236.58] by mx4.x15.net with ESMTP id 20170516-1e5Ihp-000Gkp-9l; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 21:50:21 +0000 Subject: Re: Need suggestions for registrar providing dynamic dns To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <59E907EB.4060005@gmail.com> <52D54E93-E443-48FE-A0D5-224BD619BE46@equiknox.net> Cc: luzar722@gmail.com From: Peter Grant X-Face: "W1f%; 3/9%(I=2]3gbRTdU_g8V+]5'?n*V2*TbUs7x^K,0"FTn=|Oon(m|Hg[JSy)/0$n:Q L9; Kj&RsJ4$%G!}$|j3umbF,-hV}jenU`'?Ky.C6MY:gBj8bTI"KL?1gOhcd[Y8j,l702@3xpz[)3u Va.E!WW{>h+t(^v-V<]ys:6K; nBIG*-C6dxe,~?N#%^|dW)p; @?Ja*l7o(.Leroe#<8/aAjeJJdXsE Message-ID: <47ec70b9-cd73-cba9-9f37-5894312791af@voidcaptain.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:50:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <52D54E93-E443-48FE-A0D5-224BD619BE46@equiknox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 21:55:45 -0000 rapphhael wrote on 10/19/2017 02:40 PM: > > When you sais ..function as part of their normal services.... Do you mean Free ? > > For some time I use : http://freedns.afraid.org > > All you have to do is pointing your domain name to their root servers and it provide dynamic dns updates using a lot of different technic. > > >> Le 19 oct. 2017 à 16:15, Ernie Luzar a écrit : >> >> Have had no success in finding a hosting company or registrar that provides dynamic DNS function as part of their normal services. >> >> Does anyone know or use a service that offers it? >> >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hurricane Electric provides a free DNS service. Take a look at https://dns.he.net/. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 21:57:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E8EE48732 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 21:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tjg@ucsc.edu) Received: from mail-lf0-x229.google.com (mail-lf0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 680928266A for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 21:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tjg@ucsc.edu) Received: by mail-lf0-x229.google.com with SMTP id k40so11172677lfi.4 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:57:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ucsc.edu; s=ucsc-google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9DEdzfHNi4kYqmoERYfyyJKedfFluNzrXtMEdBzy0t8=; b=H8UTjVqYMfAT7dukuIYrlGBpkaToEW1h3e/NZlveNQK1f/02kXswn9w4RqSjvENGJ4 MRxuUFZ1UKhpd0t5MbsTVD51io38jZIxPPGoV4TzQ0bumiA6ruIyQzmilWbmfIJgvF4j gXG+JAGmCP8xsAPC2u8EybdwQuQNB0XkOCReU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9DEdzfHNi4kYqmoERYfyyJKedfFluNzrXtMEdBzy0t8=; b=hUGiLXXRS2Uv9ga82ZUXZuYFfDNLEKh/eTDUK3Omwi/ITL51mYUaH6P4yn9LnbQbJ9 c/IY5mNtH0tV/y81bI76IWHx/jWqFCq2PEYbSQKUYsVUZ3RDKYaX+CbcWmZHVINxLI/5 V0XenwgrVyhfvIiFGtQJUN72mwWKs8vuouOBv62AcufYrXCD/vLcV1Lpt5jRAVJXRrAL QLI7gkxuNdCrRjhYFzo6ULt1OFO8QufvCV8vi2I8GkWLNakU9agH6T3LpK9SOxjd1Vhl UPWnitkXXW3JHgIdEMh9EnrIKtE5cRMbS0CtuL7VvJc26lVI4qtHLuq1hjnoj1M1e4jb MN/A== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaX8Ofv9BcWIfNkjeS4kb9enpJLBAiusysGTYlUKHAQsRJfaSCtk tzbTYQ1aghaLfBKjcyE3A4QN7gVnYBugh/yzpN3o9Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+RKUwHeLrweuvviHISdf3mwUxkGpvF38uRAlLZROZtH6+CU1G8Tk8n4tL4nllFAN8krygg1ZRhnhv59QdL3M28= X-Received: by 10.25.24.72 with SMTP id o69mr1061780lfi.164.1508450225629; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:57:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.24.230 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:57:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <59E907EB.4060005@gmail.com> References: <59E907EB.4060005@gmail.com> From: Tim Gustafson Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:57:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Need suggestions for registrar providing dynamic dns To: Ernie Luzar Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 21:57:08 -0000 > Have had no success in finding a hosting company or registrar that provides > dynamic DNS function as part of their normal services. > > Does anyone know or use a service that offers it? I use Amazon's Route53 service. They have an API that you can use to dynamically update DNS via a script. I run a cron job to update the DNS periodically on my hosts. -- Tim Gustafson BSOE Computing Director tjg@ucsc.edu 831-459-5354 Baskin Engineering, Room 313A To request BSOE IT support, please visit https://support.soe.ucsc.edu/ or send e-mail to help@soe.ucsc.edu or call 831-502-7536. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 19 23:01:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D29EE49932 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) Received: from sonic310-14.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic310-14.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF5AF8428C for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:01:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) X-YMail-OSG: phZNEcEVM1l5c5oAqm3a3lwaxvqRv1eUPhFPiFQ3PFOS39nu77WoYO3pT0yu2v8 8UAa1wpGsUE8jXdAYeFWPNNvVKHCJYAzz7Ktq0oQMhqvw9.1S2BGx07zVmriQp_oPlgstMPib2AE KjBEAynQTjfYwrXaUD2pwPTMvs7zhAnfe.eOU4o9wtUNEBlPFff26a2jZ1.hFATogct.zjnuDX9F 6WHBZnoCxuH2hoPcjgNlAURDrTgQksIYTBuE0HL0jZOH2UanRexZqfmVWecoqJN5ansbyznvyXDj hJK9NZu3teC7zSyrE7YXyMB0_zaonw.OgNN8jhhr4Hg1SjPXmKIXJ9w.fcbFBAkeXvvN8KvVDyXD 3HsNIRgyKrXsYCdBFWs4v14F7LU17NOCNWfnq_Oe4dXYNRQj53b8Ikr0TEJ9_kpWSKm2Q39pq5BU TJDTEIpK70g3FN9K_WFvxSlZmG8xbbY88_zf8ex5B0BON_vrqMtPM_WEgV1Of.LRseP2Xg0dA7Hy tAKHsqRCMXPQlTSmHWkM- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic310.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:01:41 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2017 22:51:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 818795.20955.bm@smtp113.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: phZNEcEVM1l5c5oAqm3a3lwaxvqRv1eUPhFPiFQ3PFOS39n u77WoYO3pT0yu2v88UAa1wpGsUE8jXdAYeFWPNNvVKHCJYAzz7Ktq0oQMhqv w9.1S2BGx07zVmriQp_oPlgstMPib2AEKjBEAynQTjfYwrXaUD2pwPTMvs7z hAnfe.eOU4o9wtUNEBlPFff26a2jZ1.hFATogct.zjnuDX9F6WHBZnoCxuH2 hoPcjgNlAURDrTgQksIYTBuE0HL0jZOH2UanRexZqfmVWecoqJN5ansbyznv yXDjhJK9NZu3teC7zSyrE7YXyMB0_zaonw.OgNN8jhhr4Hg1SjPXmKIXJ9w. fcbFBAkeXvvN8KvVDyXD3HsNIRgyKrXsYCdBFWs4v14F7LU17NOCNWfnq_Oe 4dXYNRQj53b8Ikr0TEJ9_kpWSKm2Q39pq5BUTJDTEIpK70g3FN9K_WFvxSlZ mG8xbbY88_zf8ex5B0BON_vrqMtPM_WEgV1Of.LRseP2Xg0dA7HytAKHsqRC MXPQlTSmHWkM- X-Yahoo-SMTP: mX392iiswBAeJNdO_s.EW62LZDJR Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 00:56:44 +0200 From: Eduardo Morras To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need suggestions for registrar providing dynamic dns Message-Id: <20171020005644.ffe7c3b2c692229bbc13fc22@yahoo.es> In-Reply-To: <59E907EB.4060005@gmail.com> References: <59E907EB.4060005@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:01:51 -0000 On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:15:39 -0400 Ernie Luzar wrote: > Have had no success in finding a hosting company or registrar that > provides dynamic DNS function as part of their normal services. > > Does anyone know or use a service that offers it? I used cdmon.com and they had this service. There are examples in user zone in sh/bash and a C program for FreeBSD 6 to update dynamic dns/ip. It's a simple rest service. > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 20 07:33:59 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F9CE51C34 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 07:33:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EC826BE74 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 07:33:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1508484835; x=1511076835; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rg53UKK2g7rqJmy/c5PAvHzZI1bJVaU5aKllIpHGd7c=; b=E4tLWV3eYv0VpBrsTOmyn00vJxukuGkT0821cAiZhRp+Ub/HVjq8Xxt9kdKBU/Ob3vGcII2vTPMsUyRVa1POc3jufMUhwV3/6zqObH+pLYsww+JlKFn6Xt5X4ozNeJHfNdNYjfVljNtYjIqZ+cdH7S/k0dbTKhT0hGxnzeWDwq4= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi5lNTAwMDAwMDNjYmEzYS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.186.58.227]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 20 Oct 2017 03:33:47 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 20 Oct 2017 03:33:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1e5RoR-0000Z9-B9; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 07:33:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:33:47 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Ernie Luzar Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Need suggestions for registrar providing dynamic dns Message-Id: <20171020083347.e261b12cd8dd12ec5a9eaf42@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <59E907EB.4060005@gmail.com> References: <59E907EB.4060005@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 07:33:59 -0000 On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:15:39 -0400 Ernie Luzar wrote: > Have had no success in finding a hosting company or registrar that > provides dynamic DNS function as part of their normal services. > > Does anyone know or use a service that offers it? The registrar joker.de includes DNS with dynamic DNS support, I've been using them for years, otherwise no connection. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 20 08:41:13 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CBEE2B050 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:41:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC3EE6DCFF for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.186] (host81-134-87-65.range81-130.btcentralplus.com [81.134.87.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v9K8euRa092267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 20 Oct 2017 09:40:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <43621.128.135.52.6.1508425321.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <59DBA387.4050108@gmail.com> <20171009191435.145c9dd2.freebsd@edvax.de> <72772933-C642-43DB-AFD6-6B5D40EEF39E@fjl.co.uk> <43621.128.135.52.6.1508425321.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: How to recover data from dead hard drive. From: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 09:40:44 +0100 To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu CC: FreeBSD , Carmel NY Message-ID: <4D114C69-A005-492B-B3A4-99A19CDF92E9@fjl.co.uk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:41:13 -0000 On 19 October 2017 16:02:01 BST, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>>Personally, I fail to understand why anyone with any "mission >critical" >>>system would not be using some form of RAID. It doesn't make any >sense >>>to me. >>>Even my Laptop is configured to automatically back up data to a cloud >>>service. >>>Even if the drive went south, I could restore all of my data. >> >> I can explain why people aren't using RAID... IME It's because they >think >> they are. But they do it wrong, and only find out when things go >wrong. >> >> Most if the disasters I deal with involve "hardware" RAID cards. I >won't >> single out PERC or MegaRAID because that wouldn't be fair. > >Hm... My mileage is different. I use hardware RAIDs a lot. With great >success, and not a single disaster happened to me. Statistics for my >case >is: between a dozen and two dozens of hardware RAIDs during at least >decade and a half. Some that are still are in production are over 10 >years >old. My favorite 3ware, alas, was eradicated by competitors, second >favorite is Areca, next will be LSI, and it is not a most favorite as >it >has horrible (confusing!) command client interface. > >Sometimes people come from different places and tell "hardware RAID >horror" stories. After detailed review, all of them boil down to either >or >all of: > >1. RAID was not set up correctly. Namely: there were no surface scan >(scrub, or similar) scheduled to happen. Monthly would be enough, I >usually schedule it weekly. I will not go into detail how it leads to >problem, it's been described many times; > >2. notification to sysadmin about failed drive, lost redundancy of RAID >is >not arranged (which is as well incorrectly configured RAID) > >3. inappropriate drives are used. The worst for RAID are "green" drives >that spin down to conserve power. While they spin up when request from >RAID card comes, they just time out... > >4. Enabling cache, while not having battery backup that keeps cache RAM >with all its data in case of power outage > Hi Valeri, My rant wasn't referring to people like you who know what they're doing. I know the type I was referring to exists because I get called in to try to recover the mess, and the problem is very often that they believe that just because they spent a lot of RAID hardware, they are indestructible. It's not a substitute for an administrator with brains! I put "hardware RAID" in quotes, because it's all really software. As you point out, the difference is where the software is run. Fifteen years ago ZFS wasn't an option, so the choice was moot. The environment has also changed a lot. 15 years ago it was still reasonable to keep tape backups, and if you didn't keep some form of offline backup you were a fool. I struggle to justify a tape backup now. But if you keep your data on-line on one array you're still a fool. Replication on another array (on another site) seems to be the way forward. I know exactly what you mean about early OS software RAID. I'd have done the same as you. Now, ZFS is robust and has a lot if advantages. Especially with a striped RAID5, it's amazingly common for a second disk to fail (or be found defective) shortly after the first. Their setups don't allow for it to be taken offline at the first sign of trouble, so they swap the failed drive and this thrashes the hell out of those remaining as it tries to rebuild fast. I liked your list of common mistakes, and you're quite correct. I don't get many people calling up to say their hardware RAID is working fine; only people saying they're broken. Our mileage is probably the same; I was ranting about the people who DO loose critical data through bad practice. Another example I didn't mention was a small company with a Windoze server running a three-way mirror. What could possibly go wrong? Three identical copies of a trashed NTFS root directory, of course... Regards, Frank -- Sent from my Cray X/MP with small fiddling keyboard. 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Thread-Topic: How to recover data from dead hard drive. 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Our mileage is probably the same;= I >was ranting about the people who DO loose critical data through bad practi= ce. Seriously, how many people call a doctor to say that they are feeling fine?= I have used many different methods over the years. For the past four I have employed RAID5 with three drives and excellent results. I am soon going to = be getting a new machine up and running and a friend wants me to use RAID 10, also known as RAID 1+0 which involves four drives. Personally, my confidence in hardware RAID far exceeds that of software bas= ed RAID without regards to the OS. Of course, YMMV. --=20 Carmel NOTE: Please do not "CC" me. I am a member of this list. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 20 10:49:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF1DE2DB60 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julien@perdition.city) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F45871996 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julien@perdition.city) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 5E6EEE2DB5F; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE44E2DB5E for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julien@perdition.city) Received: from relay-b01.edpnet.be (relay-b01.edpnet.be [212.71.1.221]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "edpnet.email", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E7FC71995 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julien@perdition.city) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1508495537-0a7ff536b1736d0001-YuSLm7 Received: from mordor.lan (212.71.13.33.static.edpnet.net [212.71.13.33]) by relay-b01.edpnet.be with ESMTP id 9iWWklg9lpAA4TvT (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:32:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: julien@perdition.city X-Barracuda-Effective-Source-IP: 212.71.13.33.static.edpnet.net[212.71.13.33] X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 212.71.13.33 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:32:17 +0200 From: Julien Cigar To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: accessing HP iLO virtual console Message-ID: <20171020103216.GC1393@mordor.lan> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: accessing HP iLO virtual console MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.2 (2017-04-18) X-Barracuda-Connect: 212.71.13.33.static.edpnet.net[212.71.13.33] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1508495537 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 X-Barracuda-URL: https://212.71.1.221:443/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at edpnet.be X-Barracuda-Scan-Msg-Size: 942 X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.5196 1.0000 0.7500 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 2.25 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=2.25 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=7.0 tests=BSF_SC0_MV0713, BSF_SC0_MV0713_2 X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.44053 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.00 BSF_SC0_MV0713_2 BSF_SC0_MV0713_2 0.50 BSF_SC0_MV0713 Custom rule MV0713 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:49:29 -0000 --xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I used to access the iLO virtual consoles of my HP servers through the web interface and the JVM plugin.. Now that JVM is slowly dying and unsupported by latest Firefox release I'm wondering how to access the Virtual Serial Console through SSH ..? After $> ssh my.ilo.host I'm issuing: hpiLO-> textcons but I'm getting a: "Monitor is in graphics mode or an unsupported text mode." (I guess it's some sort of incompatibility with vt..) I also tried: hpiLO-> VSP Virtual Serial Port Active: COM1 Starting virtual serial port. Press 'ESC (' to return to the CLI Session. =2E. and then it freezes.. any enlightenment ? :) Thanks! Julien --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. 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[65.25.53.37]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id v5sm310728iog.78.2017.10.20.05.58.21 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Oct 2017 05:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <59E9F2EF.5020007@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:58:23 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eduardo Morras CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Steve O'Hara-Smith Subject: Re: Need suggestions for registrar providing dynamic dns References: <59E907EB.4060005@gmail.com> <20171020005644.ffe7c3b2c692229bbc13fc22@yahoo.es> In-Reply-To: <20171020005644.ffe7c3b2c692229bbc13fc22@yahoo.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:58:23 -0000 Eduardo Morras via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:15:39 -0400 > Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> Have had no success in finding a hosting company or registrar that >> provides dynamic DNS function as part of their normal services. >> >> Does anyone know or use a service that offers it? > > I used cdmon.com and they had this service. There are examples in user > zone in sh/bash and a C program for FreeBSD 6 to update dynamic dns/ip. > It's a simple rest service. > > > The registrar joker.de includes DNS with dynamic DNS support, I've > been using them for years, otherwise no connection. Sometimes I forget the international nature of the questions list. joker.de & cdmon.com are not in English but thanks for your posts. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 20 13:20:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69835E343BA for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 13:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@bara1.se) Received: from smtprelay-b11.telenor.se (smtprelay-b11.telenor.se [62.127.194.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1818375C39 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 13:20:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@bara1.se) Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-b11.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CB9D69C for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 15:23:42 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [195.54.99.213] X-LISTENER: [smtp.glocalnet.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2ALAQDh299ZkNVjNsNeHQEFAQsBhEFuJwePBo4+ggOWIoISByiJV0EWAQIBAQEBAQEBEwEBAQEJCxEoL4ZZEyEFGIpmAQuuCYtfCgWDLYIHi1RignaCMgWhRIdejH8NkxCXJCYOgTEyIQgyhXOBdXQBikUBgRABAQE X-IPAS-Result: A2ALAQDh299ZkNVjNsNeHQEFAQsBhEFuJwePBo4+ggOWIoISByiJV0EWAQIBAQEBAQEBEwEBAQEJCxEoL4ZZEyEFGIpmAQuuCYtfCgWDLYIHi1RignaCMgWhRIdejH8NkxCXJCYOgTEyIQgyhXOBdXQBikUBgRABAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,368,1503352800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="1219273903" Received: from smtprelay-b22.telenor.se ([195.54.99.213]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 20 Oct 2017 14:57:28 +0200 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-b22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC463C6D4 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 14:57:28 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.227.12.184] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,368,1503352800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="1219273900" Received: from ua-85-227-12-184.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO ymer.bara1.se) ([85.227.12.184]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 20 Oct 2017 14:57:28 +0200 Received: by ymer.bara1.se (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BAD0D3DAAC; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 14:57:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 14:57:27 +0200 From: User Hasse To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: should I be worried ? Maria-MySql Message-ID: <20171020125727.GA95393@ymer.bara1.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: https://www.bara1.se/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 13:20:02 -0000 --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Anybody help judging how serious this is ? mariadb102-server-10.2.9_1 is vulnerable: MySQL -- multiple vulnerabilities CVE: CVE-2017-10365 CVE: CVE-2017-10268 CVE: CVE-2017-10286 CVE: CVE-2017-10284 CVE: CVE-2017-10165 CVE: CVE-2017-10294 CVE: CVE-2017-10279 CVE: CVE-2017-10227 CVE: CVE-2017-10314 CVE: CVE-2017-10320 CVE: CVE-2017-10311 CVE: CVE-2017-10296 CVE: CVE-2017-10313 CVE: CVE-2017-10283 CVE: CVE-2017-10203 CVE: CVE-2017-10277 CVE: CVE-2017-10378 CVE: CVE-2017-10167 CVE: CVE-2017-10376 CVE: CVE-2017-10384 CVE: CVE-2017-10379 CVE: CVE-2017-10155 WWW: https://vuxml.FreeBSD.org/freebsd/c41bedfd-b3f9-11e7-ac58-b499baebfeaf.html Best Regards Geir Svalland --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAEBCgB9FiEEZmmwl+ajAr4eHVHbDLsBtTa490kFAlnp8o1fFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDY2 NjlCMDk3RTZBMzAyQkUxRTFENTFEQjBDQkIwMUI1MzZCOEY3NDkACgkQDLsBtTa4 90ki0wf/ahalOgAQNDGvJr0BJ1tSiv+FtgGMNJumWeGQ0Kh3NoGkIkEqlAdtgTKT I9tGSaONaW9WLr6zgDnI9EKZPrfETERspqrZIp5jblS6XwjmSeVz4E5Xh1BoXB4v 5jzCJEDpK6WLfI/Il+8m3hkxNjdx2C00PgiHIyUCOttWKlPYvWiT4yYQri+intLS N03tyJjcAH8R7CJAIt1f8t0Enp1RbkDHDASJfKAfSa6QwcQXu8imA06bhmcka6jR hZJikQbpVmN8DfGXwuKMD3C7SNzbx5Rf66odi86rFBlJ2fW/Aw1mdp60qnLk1cOG wEq+F83AevUGBm8Jt2B0TRxgmtNZVA== =xOzY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Oct 20 20:37:53 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBC8E3F52D for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 20:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C49564B92 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 20:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v9KKbkEg094706 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:37:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:37:46 -0400 (EDT) From: DTD To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stuck duel booting win-10 and FreeBSD 10.3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:37:46 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 20:37:53 -0000 On Thu, 19 Oct 2017, DTD wrote: > I am trying to install FreeBSD 10.3 on a Lenovo Ideapad 700. I was following > some instructions to set up duel-boot with rEFInd Boot Manager and EasyUEFI. > For whatever reason this did not work. I have FreeBSD installed, but the EFI > code was not put where it needs to be. I have tried to use the shell to mount > the disk to copy the code where it needs to go. I can not figure out a mount > command. > > Using windows 10 diskpart, gpart and sysctl I put constructed the following > map of the disk: > > Partition ### Type Size Offset > ------------- --------- ------- ------- > Partition 1 System 260 MB 1024 KB ada0p1 C: Windows boot > Partition 2 Reserved 16 MB 261 MB ada0p2 > Partition 3 Primary 446 GB 277 MB ada0p3 Windows NTFS > Partition 8 Unknown 4096 MB 446 GB ada0p8 freebsd-swap > Partition 9 Unknown 512 KB 450 GB ada0p9 freebsd-boot > Partition 10 Unknown 438 GB 450 GB ada0p10 FreeBSD freebsd-ufs > Partition 4 Primary 25 GB 889 GB ada0p4 > Partition 5 Recovery 1000 MB 914 GB ada0p5 > Partition 6 Recovery 14 GB 915 GB ada0p6 > Partition 7 OEM 1000 MB 930 GB ada0p7 [cut] > The installer can mount and write the disk just file. I have installed this 3 > different ways to try and coax the install into writing boot code somewhere. > > So ... what's the magic command to mount the BSD partition? I am also not > sure if the EFI boot code just gets added to ada0p1. ada0p9 is a boot > partition added by the current install. Is FBSD 11 more likely to work? I (think I)have narrowed this down to a more specific question. Will it work if I use gpart to wite the boot code? I can do this because I can take the code from a working system. That only leaves which boot code and where? An example of a working command would seem to be: gpart bootcode -p /tmp/gptboot -i [1|9] ada0 where I copy gptboot from another 10.3 system. Who get it. I though 1 or 9 not 10. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 21 11:02:43 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C99E53517 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 11:02:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBE5E805BE for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 11:02:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1508583194; bh=+rJpJba0PZyQpCnr61AdWTF8MgXR60DDSO6iBj7GqM4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To; b=ypr/m2znZr/E+ZExOTNuYOYkyzxTcJQNwevLhd6KrE5b7Fe2P+zilm7uEcIQjjNlS SnZo0whtfawAfchkNQrUcBMKK+YM7iQ/f1bFR6IfHENtagPM3FF/dxuzzYj4UD+pI5 yqYfLYxZA4ZR/bruY2HVtZlHzcGiGp84hWEUTPlM= Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 12:53:12 +0200 Message-ID: <20171021125312.Horde.dhjBrZqDcg7ydbKkS_Wc0ma@webmail.nethead.se> From: Per olof Ljungmark To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: accessing HP iLO virtual console In-Reply-To: <20171020103216.GC1393@mordor.lan> User-Agent: Horde Application Framework 5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 11:02:43 -0000 Quoting Julien Cigar : > Hello, > > I used to access the iLO virtual consoles of my HP servers through the > web interface and the JVM plugin.. Now that JVM is slowly dying and > unsupported by latest Firefox release I'm wondering how to access the > Virtual Serial Console through SSH ..? > > After $> ssh my.ilo.host I'm issuing: > hpiLO-> textcons > but I'm getting a: "Monitor is in graphics mode or an unsupported text > mode." (I guess it's some sort of incompatibility with vt..) > I also tried: > hpiLO-> VSP > > Virtual Serial Port Active: COM1 > > Starting virtual serial port. > Press 'ESC (' to return to the CLI Session. > > .. and then it freezes.. > Are you sure COM1 is appropriate? All I have seen is on COM2, I think the Proliant's are shipped with that port as the standard virtual. //per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 21 12:56:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558F3E55A87 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 12:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sophie.hunt@ctechemail.com) Received: from server.ctechemail.com (server.ctechemail.com [159.203.99.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 277F9836D0 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 12:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sophie.hunt@ctechemail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ctechemail.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:Subject:Reply-To:From:To:Date:Sender:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SiPE5p3ne0qTw6yN6UeeWgDG02ICs7BU5vFy2SluG+U=; b=aolstDkTX6W1LgSjEZH2e33KeQ L6QTAPmTE2ktmcYIcYs7UQ00vVLJvtmgaUdpQbQBKiJD8slJQHpPCbB9nz6qFXDnOkwkre+16sztQ MIyPpX7qGKUDzQTDBdh88cTlVEOgAgNsEgJu96YcLHenfsw40LIXdEsqFpue0lrg+bNTWRy6j3XNq Qrcq9vqm2MNMe0O2JkF6cyMEStSwhK4mXz9qWLO9QVGNJHLXLQ1qb5R3aAhGjj9ZAJbST3cQDDEG1 JYdLtRcMHal9F9FUfeFXezLR5jI9DBRDZaDND4G4+nDZHohy0b57tUnI6pCtm5C4ILB1LfeZQVfM2 Qt3j8CqA==; Received: from ec2-54-80-97-22.compute-1.amazonaws.com ([54.80.97.22]:42879 helo=ctechemail.com) by server.ctechemail.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e5sQG-00011y-Ne for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 11:58:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 11:58:36 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: Sophie Hunt Reply-To: Sophie Hunt Subject: Linux page suggestion Message-ID: <11790897.or_mail@ctechemail.com> X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.ctechemail.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ctechemail.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server.ctechemail.com: authenticated_id: sophie.hunt@ctechemail.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server.ctechemail.com: sophie.hunt@ctechemail.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 12:56:14 -0000 Hi, I’ve got something which I think might interest you given you shared YoLinux.com in the past (http://www.damnsmallbsd.org/docs/userdocs/freebsd/en/articles/fbsd-from-scratch/why.html). We’ve got a tutorial on building a Linux VPN server (http://comparitech.net/build-linux-vpn). Perhaps you could take a look and if you like it and think your visitors will get value out of it, also share it on your site? No worries if not, either way, I appreciate your time. Thanks, SophieIf you'd rather not hear from us in future, please reply with unsubscribe in the subject line. Comparitech, Kings Lodge, London Road, Sevenoaks Kent, TM15 6AR, United Kingdom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 21 18:17:17 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6D3E3663E for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:17:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F147F65CD3 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v9LIHF70033024 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 14:17:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 14:17:15 -0400 (EDT) From: DTD To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pkg upgrade problem as freebsd-update Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Sat, 21 Oct 2017 14:17:15 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:17:17 -0000 I just upgraded a system to 10.4 with freebsd-update. in doing: pkg upgrade -n' Installed packages to be UPGRADED: vim-lite: 8.0.0102 -> 8.0.1159 libiconv: 1.14_9 -> 1.14_11 Installed packages to be REINSTALLED: ezjail-3.4.2 (ABI changed: 'freebsd:9:x86:64' -> 'freebsd:10:x86:64') file /bin/sh /bin/sh: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1, for FreeBSD 10.4, FreeBSD-style, stripped less usr.bin/bmake/tests/shell/builtin/sh #!/bin/sh # $FreeBSD: releng/10.4/usr.bin/bmake/tests/shell/builtin/sh 146822 2005-05-31 14:13:07Z harti $ echo "$@" if ! test -t 0 ; then cat fi /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf has: '#ABI = "freebsd:10:x86:64" This system started life as 9.1 and been upgraded to 10.3 without any issue so I am not sure if there is a problem beyond what pkg issued. I have a system that was initialized as 10.3. There /bin/sh was updated properly. ezjail does need to be updated BTW. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 21 19:26:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0792EE37C69 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 19:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (host-209-190-254-14.client.atlantech.net [209.190.254.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34D7B67832 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 19:26:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (tripel [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v9LJQVcA069788; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 15:26:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 15:26:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: Adam Schaefers cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow xorg after upgrade In-Reply-To: <86tvyx81ay.fsf@scha.efers.org> Message-ID: References: <86tvyx81ay.fsf@scha.efers.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 19:26:51 -0000 Thanks to all who replied; it's fixed. Adam, you hit the nail on the head. It turns out that xorg was looking for intel_drv.so, which is correct, but that driver had "somehow" vanished from /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers. Failing to find the Intel driver, xorg fell back to the modesetting driver. I didn't expect a previously-working driver to be deleted like that, so it wasn't the first thing I looked for. Anyway, the fix turned out to be as simple as # pkg install xf86-video-intel Thanks again. On Tue, 17 Oct 2017, Adam Schaefers wrote: > Hello Chris, I have had a similar problem myself in the past. I too > believe it is due to misconfiguration and not the newer Xorg version > you have recently installed. It turned out in my case I was using the > wrong video driver. If your proper video driver is not in use, then > Xorg will fall back to using a generic (less performant) driver. I > hope this helps you look in the right direction. > > Adam Schaefers > > Chris Hill writes: > >> Hello list, >> >> Two days ago I had to upgrade xorg (long story). Since then, it seems >> that text entry is laggy, as if the xterm - or any application, for >> that matter - can't keep up with my typing. It feels like the old >> days of typing on an ASR-33; there is a lag of less than one second >> between typing a character and it appearing on screen. Sometimes when >> text draws, I see a moment of raster-looking junk. This is especially >> visible in text that updates from a program, such as the in-progress >> statistics from fetch. Or even when pasting text via middle-click. Or >> even when moving the cursor with the arrow keys while writing this >> email. >> >> Is this just an example of new software being more more bloated? It >> seems to me that under the old regime things were snappy-quick. >> >> Before: xorg-7.7_1 >> After: xorg-7.7_3 >> >> Both: fvwm-2.6.5_7 >> >> Both: >> $ uname -mriKv 10.3-RELEASE-p11 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p11 #0: Mon Oct 24 18:49:24 >> UTC 2016 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> amd64 GENERIC 1003000 >> >> Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 21 21:08:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF93E3A519 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 21:08:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E02D56BF56 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 21:08:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1508620085; x=1511212085; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CgOC3Rc+Wg/o+1mAtqnihskFTwj2bW4hoWIVQRF9uxc=; b=RoRiiGPBbE9FOj71hN0py09/qH9S2XjtN68qCUtOOi0ac+4DgPFROwlr2MF0MDrvtRnAKI1PZCZK+Ewo1gRbtzBelkdPynrtCzt77XAX/fsVD0RU74EwvYNear2ty+DaxyeXQM8UcQybPhI6/76BLQB402cLEAytRlnVDjjYTm0= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi5lNTAwMDAwMDQ0ZWVjMS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r1.h.in.socketlabs.com (r1.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.11]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:07:53 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r1.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:07:58 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1e60zs-000G75-99 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 21:07:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 22:07:56 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to recover data from dead hard drive. Message-Id: <20171021220756.c2df0a2c94298c985856e964@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <59DBA387.4050108@gmail.com> <20171009191435.145c9dd2.freebsd@edvax.de> <72772933-C642-43DB-AFD6-6B5D40EEF39E@fjl.co.uk> <43621.128.135.52.6.1508425321.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <4D114C69-A005-492B-B3A4-99A19CDF92E9@fjl.co.uk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 21:08:12 -0000 On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:11:21 +0000 Carmel NY wrote: > Personally, my confidence in hardware RAID far exceeds that of software > based RAID without regards to the OS. Of course, YMMV. In order of decreasing reliability: ZFS mirror - at least three ways ZFS raidz2 (perhaps equal in reliability to the mirror - but slower) Hardware mirror - at least three ways Hardware RAID6 Software mirror - at least three ways Software RAID6 Anything without at least two drive redundancy is not reliable IMHO, when a drive fails you have no redundancy until a replacement is installed and populated - which is bad enough if you have a hot spare but if you have to wait for an order cycle or worse yet for an RMA that can be an uncomfortably long time to be at risk. Hardware falls behind ZFS mainly because of the protection against silent corruption in ZFS and raidz2 lacking the write hole of RAID6. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith