From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 00:24:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8F5F207D3 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:24:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 127A375EE9 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:24:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue004 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MaG3Y-1f2Xny1emG-00JvwM; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 01:24:22 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 01:24:22 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Peter A. Giessel" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180218012422.5b23ecb3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <34BD737F-EC25-4CB4-9128-54B30B54A69F@mac.com> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216113804.67857d13.freebsd@edvax.de> <97949464-BE80-4D14-B060-4EDC885DBA41@mail.sermon-archive.info> <20180216123640.8024ab15.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216215248.3698485b.freebsd@edvax.de> <34BD737F-EC25-4CB4-9128-54B30B54A69F@mac.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:kCmyXQM8HJk0zap5iHks/llEXUvHKogIkt4Bxjnp58blqZIm5s4 cecJXzYb0a8i8k0PAqE3NiLyWRX9FqqYb8YQLwq99T5iKGbwqYfZanhv0Xx1Pxbs9RdjnUE pSsDwCyyqqzDmzI16pxl1PFJEUIGRGOkAcTFkLNCb15n6ATrEaZF/O0/NMdSw2Ggnx59qhU snkAcIrCVGaRS5CSfhpQw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:4ZiWVRt9SiY=:XNdj2nNODG4SL7TSFWgHv5 O8dkX0Qt9KezxPEteEN4rX0nLeQQGpracVgxrT0W8PzpxyynqJhbROHKcQbz2EDf7cQeejFQ/ hgyunLUC1LpudPDWpmRTOhm9A5wX5KKgyHVMEIf7VeKPO9XGks6RflhQzw9sbiyvFagsCzV4P F5gn92EIOq0C4ELwI1cO6Cc/yjJ7LPK1mVZTS58SAy+8ilXwNrGVkrEJXxGNHfldi2ZCbQqXA kKN9PCES+UQPUR3kwpFhDx4hNoRxSjkUYjlKiEjV6b9Fwux6O1nKB5w1K+DirsUgiMa/TsAZk m+xp+nDZx4eT6D3NKjoSr1hLOXI4aAkzHlMSxq3aj23NO7y1VrZ2Be+R3dBLoI+02kMFtWTVc r4v6sDkDoWvkOLkJovmJzjYLcwTsApe7D49LS5mJsGhicMAjm3MB+knFys7Vr/G9X7J3uw0F2 HgbcGKIAfBH9DwJkSW/9fHR5drY54N7bHB+8K1PVj3mp1fPQhSZx1FJpALt0J2ykKNrk85R// VdNVWKpBAV8i0EGYZu7xMH9P7jH4HFUKMJIro+zwb64FUJ8D2ZJRb0Fj8U4R2+pWWuz9Ar+RL pGYqSJ6DejMiav0UNBCZCveliVnHoKxlvRrf2Hf2T3HvLwGRoeKjqnqqsAlev4wHEiaNqMT1g 4ay/ktYSzXoayvwnC1u6SqqDsHxti9dxD/TlR8NsTcfKAmNEC/oQlefCLT8A8qBkRZF8itG5h uqD8pGDYcVM0dMIr1FBaWFcQPeGicdnfRb6i5FJmz7PXs2x0g+fNvf6Vq3g= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:24:26 -0000 On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:45:24 -0500, Peter A. Giessel wrote: > [...] but back to the original question of getting photos of an > iPad: Have you tried GPhoto? > > https://www.freshports.org/graphics/gphoto2 > > My understanding is that iOS devices (unlocked iOS devices anyway) > use PTP to transfer the photos. GPhoto appears to support PTP, > therefore should work to transfer photos from your iOS device to > your laptop via USB cable. I've been using gphoto (and gtkam) in the past with PTP-compatible cameras, but I didn't expect the iPad to be compatible to such an "old" standard. This tool is on my list to try next week. However, what is the difference between an unlocked iOS device and a locked one? I thought there is only one state - locked... (but I'm not an iPerson, so my knowledge is quite limited, as I only occassionally get to use them). For PTP access, a ugen device will be needed + the software-side support on the camera device; let's see if the iPad fulfills that requirement. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 00:25:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FF1F20A41 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:25:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com (pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com [17.142.241.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35F6276195 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:25:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com by pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) id <0P4B00200L29LU00@pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:25:40 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mac.com; s=04042017; t=1518913540; bh=kgbLVjnrz29kPMecSW4PhB7aKesHickb67Nr2tosNdw=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=GrShpo5HNt5l/cZLvV52wmvacfC0k2pNT6WFPxZlRSP6mA6sQpIn5ZfMmwoYn9R5y PLf2aAmkwF1Gd/9UOVauln1acfDtZ4zxqVCbtE23QATu79modR3ynpv1nZ8uAbaf7I 255/4n7Pck3m/MDz0f6Y55rY9umweDssuizT/gZjYYCn9sazqwYaJ09jena+OBoO4H AHlARbcXTIdkXTVgECG/K6+4gL/wbi+z+ZmPO3tsGShKZiizGK5IhCHAZ7/bLhzpXs iMew5xUvtjR9uxVxbjM/fSj7tyieIleLT41l6SGZsPb/cW8IIaeTUu71hInaMYuvgq 8EGEHRTc/RmUQ== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0P4B00BPOL6OFQ10@pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com>; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:25:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2018-02-17_09:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1707230000 definitions=main-1802180004 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: "Peter A. Giessel" In-reply-to: <20180218004656.6e2197d0@archlinux.localdomain> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:25:53 -0500 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <30404453-D006-4F54-B9A9-2399CC3366FD@mac.com> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180218004656.6e2197d0@archlinux.localdomain> To: Ralf Mardorf X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:25:41 -0000 > On 2018, Feb 17, at 18:46, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions = wrote: >=20 > Apple should allow to make backups. Actually what they call a backup > via iTunes is not a backup. They don't backup all apps, they just = store > some purchased meta-thingy and there even is no backup of data > available. If you accidently deleted an app with some important data, > reinstalling the app, if possible at all, doesn't bring you back the > lost data, a sync with an iTunes "backup" would require to manually > restore data by the file sharing option, but not all apps support file > sharing, IOW here is no way to backup all user data. The above statement is false. I got a new phone that never had my user data on it before. I restored = it from backup. The new phone had all my app data on it. It was only missing the device password (which needed to be set for the = new device anyway) and my TouchID hash because that is stored in the = processor and cannot be copied off the device. Ralf=E2=80=99s statement = above is demonstrably false. I understand the chafing at the closed system, but don=E2=80=99t make = false claims. Ralf is correct that iCloud backups do not contain the full app. They = instead contain the incremental diff between the current state of your = app with your app data and the original. This dramatically reduces the = bandwidth used in backup, just like many of us use rsync for the same = reason. Why would Apple send the whole app back to their servers when = they already have it? They can just send the diff like rsync does and = dramatically reduce the storage and bandwidth load.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 00:28:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED0BF210C4 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:28:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com (pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com [17.142.241.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DACDB766FD for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:28:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com by pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) id <0P4B00200L29LU00@pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:28:42 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mac.com; s=04042017; t=1518913721; bh=ZvoGBVsmQMO44p7LKAh41XnyQvuoKBsN2BL9YBRKIkw=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=k+iXnQorB5g76J3XHBAhgBrCzBSB2zAaJu4IaRO0ADs/ngmrxFi5iS52MzSec0u+A hur0sFCjMPcg1SYxGMBKYm9c0jkXphPfLJORnfjbAytG0sHmizaRxkd7p+VfvE1t44 5MgzHwFlLF45pkGwPCaCvpPnXsR2H6Diw8QXw4G37vZde7Av8vZRX+8avM5PLlByav IXEE8HlZ0ubdVJYdxm9MxhjHkmAlHoIvtSqyT9RE7f8FLUQOAY8Pr80Ivfsl1p2jC9 ZNgSvrLeQrChSVfCMEi8U6fwciSqfGeWGqFhQJx9ggQcjDoqr9HXpECMJ7vjTcCXow nyjU3dp6LCMpA== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0P4B00BVBLBRFQ10@pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com>; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:28:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2018-02-17_09:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1707230000 definitions=main-1802180005 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: "Peter A. Giessel" In-reply-to: <20180218012422.5b23ecb3.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:28:56 -0500 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <63E8DBE5-AAE2-47D8-8B72-4940ED4D0E32@mac.com> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216113804.67857d13.freebsd@edvax.de> <97949464-BE80-4D14-B060-4EDC885DBA41@mail.sermon-archive.info> <20180216123640.8024ab15.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216215248.3698485b.freebsd@edvax.de> <34BD737F-EC25-4CB4-9128-54B30B54A69F@mac.com> <20180218012422.5b23ecb3.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:28:43 -0000 > On 2018, Feb 17, at 19:24, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:45:24 -0500, Peter A. Giessel wrote: >> [...] but back to the original question of getting photos of an >> iPad: Have you tried GPhoto? >>=20 >> https://www.freshports.org/graphics/gphoto2 >>=20 >> My understanding is that iOS devices (unlocked iOS devices anyway) >> use PTP to transfer the photos. GPhoto appears to support PTP, >> therefore should work to transfer photos from your iOS device to >> your laptop via USB cable. >=20 > I've been using gphoto (and gtkam) in the past with PTP-compatible > cameras, but I didn't expect the iPad to be compatible to such an > "old" standard. This tool is on my list to try next week. >=20 > However, what is the difference between an unlocked iOS device and > a locked one? I thought there is only one state - locked... (but > I'm not an iPerson, so my knowledge is quite limited, as I only > occassionally get to use them). For PTP access, a ugen device will > be needed + the software-side support on the camera device; let's > see if the iPad fulfills that requirement. Locked is when the screen is black and the device can=E2=80=99t be used. = Unlocked is when you have the device such that you can tap on the apps. = =E2=80=9CLogged in=E2=80=9D might be another way of saying it. When = gphoto tries to connect, the iOS device (at least the newer ones) will = ask you if you want to =E2=80=9Ctrust this computer=E2=80=9D. If you = say =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t trust=E2=80=9D, then the iOS device will = report no photos on the device. If you choose to =E2=80=9Ctrust this = computer=E2=80=9D, then the photos will show up.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 00:41:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920C6F2235E for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02C517718F for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue005 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LhzVu-1eRfhn2Che-00nD31; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 01:36:05 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 01:36:05 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Peter A. Giessel" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180218013605.fd587606.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <63E8DBE5-AAE2-47D8-8B72-4940ED4D0E32@mac.com> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216113804.67857d13.freebsd@edvax.de> <97949464-BE80-4D14-B060-4EDC885DBA41@mail.sermon-archive.info> <20180216123640.8024ab15.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216215248.3698485b.freebsd@edvax.de> <34BD737F-EC25-4CB4-9128-54B30B54A69F@mac.com> <20180218012422.5b23ecb3.freebsd@edvax.de> <63E8DBE5-AAE2-47D8-8B72-4940ED4D0E32@mac.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:N1YeDtipb+sAnlYv6zXMlHR18NKOnCPaUSJE5G9N7JjV506qn3w HT4DT63iXVuCyRlthA/7HK6JSnWYw+6pVA3GkLHzFtsDw1zbqGxKwd3b7EXVDd/C7xQIqZv 1Cpbf2HfHl2McuQ7AVLul0JPqmX2lYE0qXogak6CysOPInYDOT7V0DQDAJeyTwfxMhObnuT HE+Y9hyok1Qog82x+nC4Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:QJaAvvXzzgY=:/w8USslD0m4rPL4fkV/UPl Ssd3fe/fr+Vum0L0PRz/NEToM2Rw/ykIi5ScDo3qrDObj+qoxsnk+/cogowIMGGroH/zi7+j5 D365i3sm74S5lKXU63eY/tP2NuoKs2FCCNxZqSsl+m7Jg43Rd9zmuGLUYKn4/qfYo2L4T5swe OcesxrYjH9fYYKiJ0RSeRbeLVdhR0cDTqNtBU9LJjARjB4jPQg2qe9BOb80QYmOBoy/LPFNlr rQUh1XpmL2SmHtmPsUceNNuPrlm9ou54zQgLbWAvbNhte+A+VeINfSrPPBaUH11CiZiv3j4a4 cK2CpCyuDamu5TVHId5RDnasgPps9UGOK+GlZJX9uVpt62i02M+bTBG+QyD3MY62ls4DzTrJL 0cZoBd2FDthhXA8HjP/Mw/+QayXZW1COOaYNBc9Y/UbxjLVeOsETWUWtGe3B+e4JGNBct6iAW IP5FmU0XN7NArBKE17Bju9UDLt0zCzmtX4z1Un4biaZ7TzNt7dlWOFqGFfto2PLpGvRdoKiQM KZdRLuSyiA/fz5hLk6G+c39MGu6WU1xd4a89PTazD+oiuHhK0iEViPYQqcJAZKV8nunHIU+3I k7DGeW4gKVBHlHxXuq9xU6speub7/PFZMdEsv5g5fPztSUyqDvyqjz3q7LIuSqnteC+eEjLGa 49kMXFvxwKrToZINJ6UPUqw8UJP7b8CboY1zH9RkZbOUOPF8n5CKkIWq7wQA8+TngRswqTK3M N1VKmPDbwjPf8U1BCEPxPXEWcV0KVOHMurPeGIQQSAhh3ihd0KT4zT7OLmc= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:41:28 -0000 On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:28:56 -0500, Peter A. Giessel wrote: > > > On 2018, Feb 17, at 19:24, Polytropon wrote: > > > > On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:45:24 -0500, Peter A. Giessel wrote: > >> [...] but back to the original question of getting photos of an > >> iPad: Have you tried GPhoto? > >> > >> https://www.freshports.org/graphics/gphoto2 > >> > >> My understanding is that iOS devices (unlocked iOS devices anyway) > >> use PTP to transfer the photos. GPhoto appears to support PTP, > >> therefore should work to transfer photos from your iOS device to > >> your laptop via USB cable. > > > > I've been using gphoto (and gtkam) in the past with PTP-compatible > > cameras, but I didn't expect the iPad to be compatible to such an > > "old" standard. This tool is on my list to try next week. > > > > However, what is the difference between an unlocked iOS device and > > a locked one? I thought there is only one state - locked... (but > > I'm not an iPerson, so my knowledge is quite limited, as I only > > occassionally get to use them). For PTP access, a ugen device will > > be needed + the software-side support on the camera device; let's > > see if the iPad fulfills that requirement. > > Locked is when the screen is black and the device can’t be used. > Unlocked is when you have the device such that you can tap on the > apps. “Logged in” might be another way of saying it. Okay. Using established terminology is always nice. :-) The device therefore is "unlocked", i. e. I have the password and I can interact with the apps. One important thing I have to verify is if the device is _registered_ so installing apps via App Store is possible. I _think_ it is, but I don't know yet. > When gphoto tries to connect, the iOS device (at least the newer > ones) will ask you if you want to “trust this computer”. I have seen that dialog before (when pairing the device), and I didn't get into the "trust loop" where the dialog appears again and again, even if you tap "trust" (as described as a problem in some web discussion forum I took my first suggestions from). > If you say “don’t trust”, then the iOS device will report no > photos on the device. If you choose to “trust this computer”, > then the photos will show up. This will be interesting to check next week. Thanks for clarification! -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 00:45:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479D5F2290A for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:45:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com (pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com [17.142.241.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C48FE77657 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:45:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com by pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) id <0P4B00400J6M4J00@pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:45:10 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mac.com; s=04042017; t=1518911110; bh=aDEty+Q8exE2aE8HZcdQ9k8yqxfLeqhxeDHyGP2Z9i0=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=MspuE+ckOxfKjVpYOnuV0TItZnkFJ2kWgdOuMRVa2+qaIlGHvgHXnjS66Q5iNgRwE mIk0HuvHxh5c5GLKEu7zSq+lcQsVy0dYpuweQYX/UHYyWuCsoIIvi5H7B+bn+T/I8f Q5KyFqnPrGXnY1d24MA46L5Sh3DvgcXVn+L/1GI1NVcEO9YCWPw9rf/CV2Wm6diPfv dT6/T3uj7M0qieqBTf946Zo4yvKy9z1MabbBUEREELprBYCYRvapgLZenT6oFfsNO4 0oTGB0tkBZx37IfGLlZmcYFa7tfKcE7/ilE2INv7VYTiy+hdpX3YpGb+lDtaVRl0OK MtX1V/y4rg/Ng== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0P4B007M7JB7OJ20@pv33p33im-asmtp002.me.com>; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:45:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2018-02-17_09:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1707230000 definitions=main-1802170317 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: "Peter A. Giessel" In-reply-to: <20180216215248.3698485b.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:45:24 -0500 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <34BD737F-EC25-4CB4-9128-54B30B54A69F@mac.com> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216113804.67857d13.freebsd@edvax.de> <97949464-BE80-4D14-B060-4EDC885DBA41@mail.sermon-archive.info> <20180216123640.8024ab15.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216215248.3698485b.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:45:17 -0000 I hate to interrupt the discussion of how evil Apple is because of its = App Store or whatever, but back to the original question of getting = photos of an iPad: Have you tried GPhoto? https://www.freshports.org/graphics/gphoto2 My understanding is that iOS devices (unlocked iOS devices anyway) use = PTP to transfer the photos. GPhoto appears to support PTP, therefore = should work to transfer photos from your iOS device to your laptop via = USB cable. Both iPads and iPhones are listed in GPhoto2=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Csupported = cameras=E2=80=9D list.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 03:05:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A8AF08A0D for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 03:05:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x229.google.com (mail-wr0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8EF27E6E1 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 03:05:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x229.google.com with SMTP id s5so6418163wra.0 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:05:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Qu5I4x2apDRrLf6UG2ydpvxLgVD5EnapwK2cPdgIHHc=; b=dwA1Ne7VhZJoYHL7x2JoJxN3aZNwcicGnqi+sQFv8D8mS90oLSCDm3gQad4Ea5Iw0e RJi8wJUTacFsdXWuM/4WL1XqSjy2hiL8ou9mp59NuFhM3lYkUAfFwpd3I9pFTEGQP+Ng iDZM8XTsS8pY+UP6T9K97c0iAHV2Lgy9mDm9F+bw9/hGVbTqAFlgH7CKnu6ewSLGxkwG sQl1Fw0dZjBoUC2BFpSk2FZp8mOyRreP3kGwcCjfvdmLx6rNhGZsfHV2wRgwystaG0gT ap91Z/I1HcfkQwBb2RWeCq9KLOcV4je0W8oYqbMKij4U1tORpvRWwDA4OUteFhciOTFh F61w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Qu5I4x2apDRrLf6UG2ydpvxLgVD5EnapwK2cPdgIHHc=; b=R9s90OVPj9VN8mv/XFNvMrbqXEGKIuYD3/4ehqo4uMcx0VE0sO0l1GSjJIHjx6R890 1LTkt53Ii6ka06rNHPBcsjeOIBMiV1l4ZcA4aGK5YxVNbSBSZwU+PbRHdDjXTGD6no52 TnczpRA2ou/3SVSj9zCoyuzSxLe2lxa3FXYEz+p8pg52lbS/Cbjn3qjTqPzMCZEZvLCT uxxzYEgTDNgVpT4y+BdcNy68DD4BFifQsH5Xg3qRHl0aqTPxBLjBctvQwVmBc2O1//Lx 3gekZWI5UnBTCg9ljzTEvAJTBvN0nlcIPSvCI+JmspQJLq9EeV7BAwAhYdYcUklpxr0Q zdNg== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCzzmSGjMUIgl8vBCqWgHG+QtF0hJy8EI2LmPwqWhQP0p49TNCv 0mPY1YIwHdQtDL/7hXW4Gr9zINaBsu65GRH+LmQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225MWNktfbgnrxvuV6iVnskMTNcfLY+nHE5Oi5Xw28fMXyAAt7YuFkO1bNiX3YyJLN0sofjBoSV5NyENxlbcNn4= X-Received: by 10.223.184.124 with SMTP id u57mr9295873wrf.100.1518923144014; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:05:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.167.68 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:05:43 -0800 (PST) From: David Mehler Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:05:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: radicale and apache on freebsd To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 03:05:46 -0000 Hello, Is anyone got radicale and apache going on FreeBSD? If so, can I get a look at your configuration files both for apache and for radicale? I'm trying to get this combination working, I do have mod_wsgi4 installed however am getting errors from apache WSGIDaemonProcess not a valid directive, essentially anything with a WSGI* reports as invalid the wsgi module is loaded. Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 05:02:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EADF1169D for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 05:02:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnjen@reynoldsnet.org) Received: from reynoldsnet.org (reynoldsnet.org [64.62.221.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E565D82D2A for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 05:02:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnjen@reynoldsnet.org) Received: from dolphin.home-net ([68.225.211.65]) by reynoldsnet.org for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 21:00:20 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (whale.home-net [192.168.1.2]) by dolphin.home-net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w1I50Jtb003206 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:00:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from johnjen@reynoldsnet.org) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: John Reynolds Subject: Anybody got a T-mobile cellspot v2 to work with NAT'd firewall (IPFW)? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:00:19 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 05:02:58 -0000 Hello all, I've been struggling trying to get one of T-mobile's Cellspot (v2) fempto-towers to configure. I have a pretty vanilla setup with a 11.1-RELEASE-p4 box acting as my gateway/fw (with various internal servers such as Samba, etc. running on it). ----> LAN machines Cable modem -> re0 --FreeBSD ipfw --> igb0 -----> 8-port switch ----> LAN .... ----> T-mobile Cellspot I can see that it is getting an IP address from my DHCP server and through tcpdump I see that it is talking to tmobile's servers--but it just abruptly "stops" and I get no further traffic to/from the device once I get to this point: cellspot.home-net.isakmp > mc14236d0.tmodns.net.isakmp: [udp sum ok] isakmp 2.0 msgid 00000000 cookie a2e7eea bc47d5a3a->0000000000000000: parent_sa ikev2_init[I]: (sa: len=112 (p: #1 protoid=isakmp transform=12 len=112 (t: #1 type=encr id=aes (type=keylen value=0100)) (t: #2 type=encr id=aes (type=keylen value=0080)) (t: #3 type=encr id=3des ) (t: #4 type=integ id=#12 ) (t: #5 type=integ id=aes-xcbc ) (t: #6 type=integ id=hmac-sha ) (t: #7 type=prf id=#5 ) (t: #8 type=prf id=aes128_xcbc ) (t: #9 type=prf id=hmac-sha ) (t: #10 type=dh id=modp2048 ) (t: #11 type=dh id=modp3072 ) (t: #12 type=dh id=modp4096 ))) (v2ke: len=256 group=modp2048) (nonce: len=32 nonce=(e88267d563388560eadb76d831fe877330cf258e0f15783fe27eabdf2895cedc) ) (n: prot_id=#0 type=16388(nat_detection_source_ip)) (n: prot_id=#0 type=16389(nat_detection_destination_ip)) 20:13:12.510298 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 127, id 27639, offset 0, flags [none], proto UDP (17), length 137) I don't know if it's something I'm "doing" in my ipfw rules or if there's some sysctl for ipsec that I need to flip or if this box is just a dud. I've configured the box temporarily as an "open" firewall (with NAT) to try and eliminate it being "me" through some IPFW filtering. That made no difference. Just wondering if somebody out there has gotten one of these stupid CellSpot things and actually gotten it to talk to its mother ship and configure and actually WORK behind a NAT'd firewall. FWIW using Cox communications as internet provider and I know they don't block ports 500/4500/123. My sysctl variables are: kern.features.ipsec_natt: 1 kern.features.ipsec: 1 net.inet.ipsec.def_policy: 1 net.inet.ipsec.esp_trans_deflev: 1 net.inet.ipsec.esp_net_deflev: 1 net.inet.ipsec.ah_trans_deflev: 1 net.inet.ipsec.ah_net_deflev: 1 net.inet.ipsec.ah_cleartos: 1 net.inet.ipsec.ah_offsetmask: 0 net.inet.ipsec.dfbit: 0 net.inet.ipsec.ecn: 0 net.inet.ipsec.debug: 1 net.inet.ipsec.filtertunnel: 0 net.inet.ipsec.natt_cksum_policy: 0 net.inet.ipsec.check_policy_history: 0 net.inet.ipsec.crypto_support: 50331648 (changing filtertunnel to 1 made no difference) My IPFW rules are: 00010 allow ip from any to any via lo0 00020 allow ip from any to any via igb0 00030 deny ip from any to any not antispoof in 00050 allow ip from any to any frag 00051 allow log udp from any to any dst-port 500 00054 allow log esp from any to any 00056 allow log ah from any to any 00058 allow log ipencap from any to any 00060 allow log udp from any 500 to any 00100 nat 1 ip from any to any via re0 in 00101 check-state :default 02000 skipto 10000 tcp from any to any via re0 out setup keep-state :default 02010 skipto 10000 udp from any to any via re0 out keep-state :default 05000 allow tcp from any to me dst-port 22,80,110,443,3458,4040,10993,123,500,4500 via re0 in setup keep-state :default 05001 allow udp from any to me dst-port 500,4500,123 via re0 in keep-state :default 09998 deny tcp from any to any via re0 09999 deny udp from any to any via re0 10000 nat 1 ip from any to any via re0 out 65534 allow ip from any to any 65535 deny ip from any to any If anybody has any hints, I'd be much appreciated ....... :/ Thanks. -John From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 06:41:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D903F168D5 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 06:41:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic306-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic306-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88E3985CB7 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 06:41:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: q79Z8BoVM1nS3BDNzxPOnwohvuZQQFjaiTlCrLPLpID.4NafdpJChK_KPpwVz29 N3fMJ8HTA84vU1.OM0wNJHCyV_ula8xDpkFd_snV423MuvJoMwFGl8qA.hCGb19cvtzj97sG6nRF MAr3UnHIq6UFveG3BSTv6d3TQd.EBYPZFEk1iVuQVqvaVglZ5.HRnh2LyhErSB_cwZG8sZMMnc9O dP3FUMkL1YxhM9I_ez8YMgfsXk0aNbB7l31P9y_OMCw7rivruzaiXwDfNXhZ6zCRvRq3l2Yw1jLC MMrn81RZYPV2l6cVqY9FS0EEaTeJqMI1VkIzEIsfFLAPsSy0cbMqqzDcuubMyAaiAr7oeKPdaNcQ 4.r4jaidmr0Oi3R1DCNCRGN_z.a4H0aSBirnwjQRcvjLhsLGirPDyv4ItSxDNWquo6GkUk.RAsuE prNSeuCQMN0GUg5HTDqZhFOnr4cCJrSQLCF0eJOKFKsFGeStWxIVBI2eYEZfOjZfU_iKUgQ00zTt rTNBYUAgRCq6dE7bs4XiHuMxeQfs2lpmzYQpKMMGSbsr20QndhA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 06:41:09 +0000 Received: from smtp156.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.119]) by smtp414.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID 6499c562bbe8dfdb30b55e30626825c7 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 06:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:41:07 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-ID: <20180218074107.5f990050@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <30404453-D006-4F54-B9A9-2399CC3366FD@mac.com> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180218004656.6e2197d0@archlinux.localdomain> <30404453-D006-4F54-B9A9-2399CC3366FD@mac.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 06:41:17 -0000 On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:25:53 -0500, Peter A. Giessel wrote: >> On 2018, Feb 17, at 18:46, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions >> wrote: >>=20 >> Apple should allow to make backups. Actually what they call a backup >> via iTunes is not a backup. They don't backup all apps, they just >> store some purchased meta-thingy and there even is no backup of data >> available. If you accidently deleted an app with some important data, >> reinstalling the app, if possible at all, doesn't bring you back the >> lost data, a sync with an iTunes "backup" would require to manually >> restore data by the file sharing option, but not all apps support >> file sharing, IOW here is no way to backup all user data. =20 > >The above statement is false. It is not false! Delete an app from you existing new iPhone and then reinstall the app, if you sync after doing this, you sync, you don't restore from a backup, hence the data is lost. >[snip] > >I understand the chafing at the closed system, but don=E2=80=99t make false >claims. The claim is correct! >Ralf is correct that iCloud backups do not contain the full app. I never mentioned iCloud, I mentioned iTunes, since I'm not using iCloud. >They instead contain the incremental diff between the current state of >your app with your app data and the original. This dramatically >reduces the bandwidth used in backup, just like many of us use rsync >for the same reason. Why would Apple send the whole app back to their >servers when they already have it? They can just send the diff like >rsync does and dramatically reduce the storage and bandwidth load. We described a situation were a new release of an app requieres a release of iOS that is not available for the iPad. When using iTunes, the Apple servers are not involved, there would be no traffic at all and the user would get back therequired old releaseof the app. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 07:40:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6766DF1B367 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail50c50.megamailservers.eu (mail150c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.160]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D543C68A9A for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:40:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from archlinux.localdomain (x4e32152d.dyn.telefonica.de [78.50.21.45]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail50c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id w1I6oGJE008471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 06:50:18 +0000 Message-ID: <1518936616.888.4.camel@alice-dsl.net> Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:50:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20180218074107.5f990050@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180218004656.6e2197d0@archlinux.localdomain> <30404453-D006-4F54-B9A9-2399CC3366FD@mac.com> <20180218074107.5f990050@archlinux.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.26.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0205.5A89222A.0081, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.2 cv=Pe6Pvmpd c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=zUmPJF2+mar1YCmsp1bJwQ==:117 a=zUmPJF2+mar1YCmsp1bJwQ==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=cg-_OHdt59gGjJwzVbMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:40:06 -0000 > > They instead contain the incremental diff between the current state of > > your app with your app data and the original. This might be true, but I'm not sure if it is true. If so, the user would get the old app release, instead of a new release. I suspect that it's not a diff, but just the purchase meta-data and that the app is downloaded again, but I might be mistaken here, while I'm definitively not mistaken with the user data. Again, you synced without accidentally deleting the app first. Such a sync is not a backup. A real backup would allow to restore data, even if the app was accidentally deleted and then reinstalled. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 07:40:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7313F1B36C for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) Received: from mail50c50.megamailservers.eu (mail150c50.megamailservers.eu [91.136.10.160]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 630C868A9E for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net) X-Authenticated-User: ralf.mardorf.alice-dsl.net Received: from archlinux.localdomain (x4e32152d.dyn.telefonica.de [78.50.21.45]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail50c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id w1I71ODu026471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:01:26 +0000 Message-ID: <1518937284.888.12.camel@alice-dsl.net> Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 08:01:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1518936616.888.4.camel@alice-dsl.net> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180218004656.6e2197d0@archlinux.localdomain> <30404453-D006-4F54-B9A9-2399CC3366FD@mac.com> <20180218074107.5f990050@archlinux.localdomain> <1518936616.888.4.camel@alice-dsl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.26.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0202.5A8924C6.00F4, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.2 cv=Pe6Pvmpd c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=zUmPJF2+mar1YCmsp1bJwQ==:117 a=zUmPJF2+mar1YCmsp1bJwQ==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=Mluyop3OM_Zav6CKr4EA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:40:07 -0000 On Sun, 2018-02-18 at 07:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > They instead contain the incremental diff between the current state of > > > your app with your app data and the original. > > This might be true, but I'm not sure if it is true. If so, the user > would get the old app release, instead of a new release. I suspect that > it's not a diff, but just the purchase meta-data and that the app is > downloaded again, but I might be mistaken here It might be different for iTunes and iCloud. I'm talking about the current version of iTunes, that even doesn't allow to access the store, this nowadays could only be done using the iPad. In the past it also was possible to purchase an app via iTunes. If the app was purchased via iTunes, the binary perhaps was part of a "backup". > Again, you synced without accidentally > deleting the app first. Such a sync is not a backup. A real backup would > allow to restore data, even if the app was accidentally deleted and then > reinstalled. I might be mistaken here, in so far, that I don't want to restore the complete iPad, after accidentally deleting an app. I only want to get back the user data for this app, after reinstalling it and not to override user data of other apps, too. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 10:13:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD62EF23AFA for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:13:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic311-30.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic311-30.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24D856F6B3 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:13:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: 9Pq93icVM1kt_if39aLaRsYsTg3D9DfiCxh40SxmYk1mt1jXikUA5fBWXC553ko xsXF.f8Di8eCwD_pcH85S.RAQH6byncVOa40rR1KBUnFItAUuyO0RgGZp0URYl02lnJ8ztEriZ0J PmX5r8_ilfoGE53ssXFt7WXVXQVgox7VaXAvhKd7ZO0.bDfr96e9s0mVhCdaHvTqNNKAISoQwBlX ItAxgu6zvH7dPsG.sGUXI5hDQjV14Un1BfmakFC7y5Ev8KMtYefWoKClzRnP88aPTcsnXfGYq2Ej i45lKmbQbbltNcq84uDiOwqWmHYjDv6xMvZB7_qdYaBF9GgP2fj3RvsqPPxd5wk9fm3Fhx72ShzR 0LQhw8suz2OIPXOR5csnpvyVmyEftQcnLSBDoYMZ07Nd_hHVj.MoyJu7BlouzQChkv7Nf9Ie7yZj fg1_dETfwCmTSrzgvA7FVio45M5x.VbrdhwCzDmnS1q.ByEbr8Qlpn7jihQw2iGQeaLg_uafIezX IZfL9RZHEJBq8psfJEhn.UZe.D7TSC7nHWPaYMtnhBM_cTD8w1w-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic311.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:13:18 +0000 Received: from smtp174.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.41]) by smtp409.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID cb50f55bdb8185df5248b19022026ff7 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1518948792.888.24.camel@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 11:13:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1518937284.888.12.camel@alice-dsl.net> References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180218004656.6e2197d0@archlinux.localdomain> <30404453-D006-4F54-B9A9-2399CC3366FD@mac.com> <20180218074107.5f990050@archlinux.localdomain> <1518936616.888.4.camel@alice-dsl.net> <1518937284.888.12.camel@alice-dsl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.26.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:13:27 -0000 Send from the wrong account and it didn't came through the list. I guess there is a difference between restoring the complete iPad apps and user data and just the wish to restore user data for one app, leaving the user data of all other apps untouched. This isn't an issue when using *BSD or Linux, but seemingly impossible when using an iPad. IOW the backup strategy of Apple is idiotic. Btw. in the context of the replies, the way Polytropon used the term "locked" is correct. The log in issue is something else. Btw. sharing photos works without iTunes, when running Windows. If it should work using *BSD or Linux software, than at least it becomes complicated for all those, who manually mount from command line, instead of using GVFS and similar crap. -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:50:16 +0100 Mailer: Evolution 3.26.5 > > They instead contain the incremental diff between the current state of > > your app with your app data and the original. This might be true, but I'm not sure if it is true. If so, the user would get the old app release, instead of a new release. I suspect that it's not a diff, but just the purchase meta-data and that the app is downloaded again, but I might be mistaken here, while I'm definitively not mistaken with the user data. Again, you synced without accidentally deleting the app first. Such a sync is not a backup. A real backup would allow to restore data, even if the app was accidentally deleted and then reinstalled. -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 08:01:24 +0100 Mailer: Evolution 3.26.5 On Sun, 2018-02-18 at 07:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > They instead contain the incremental diff between the current state of > > > your app with your app data and the original. > > This might be true, but I'm not sure if it is true. If so, the user > would get the old app release, instead of a new release. I suspect that > it's not a diff, but just the purchase meta-data and that the app is > downloaded again, but I might be mistaken here It might be different for iTunes and iCloud. I'm talking about the current version of iTunes, that even doesn't allow to access the store, this nowadays could only be done using the iPad. In the past it also was possible to purchase an app via iTunes. If the app was purchased via iTunes, the binary perhaps was part of a "backup". > Again, you synced without accidentally > deleting the app first. Such a sync is not a backup. A real backup would > allow to restore data, even if the app was accidentally deleted and then > reinstalled. I might be mistaken here, in so far, that I don't want to restore the complete iPad, after accidentally deleting an app. I only want to get back the user data for this app, after reinstalling it and not to override user data of other apps, too.ling it and not to override user data of other apps, too. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 18 11:09:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DE2F25F8C for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 11:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp206.alice.it (smtp206.alice.it [82.57.200.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92257109D for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 11:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (87.18.51.42) by smtp206.alice.it (8.6.060.28) id 5A7AC071045F22C7; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:09:41 +0100 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w1IB9emD003310; Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:09:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216113804.67857d13.freebsd@edvax.de> <97949464-BE80-4D14-B060-4EDC885DBA41@mail.sermon-archive.info> <20180216123640.8024ab15.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180216215248.3698485b.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <2b1df93b-7e66-3482-3bd5-85fff8a8d08a@netfence.it> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:09:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180216215248.3698485b.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 11:09:51 -0000 On 02/16/18 21:52, Polytropon wrote: > I know that BlueTooth does exist, but I have never (!) used > it before. So there definitely will be a learning curve. :-) Yes, but that's not going to be steep. There's a dedicated page in the FreeBSD Handbook and that's the only source I've ever had to look into. > When I install obexapp, what machine will be in control? The > iPad or the FreeBSD laptop? Obexapp will sit there and wait in the background. After you have the two device paired, on the iPad you can "share" (read "send") the pictures to the FreeBSD machine and they'll appear in the directory you specified in obexapp's config (either in /etc/rc.conf or on the command line). Notice I'm not saying this is your best option (and it will be slow); the advantage is you'll install very little on the FreeBSD-side and nothing on the iOS side (which IIRC was one of your main issue). bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 19 06:39:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878CEF06736 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B03083315 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:39:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: "@lbutlr" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 23:20:36 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> To: Freebsd Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.10) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:39:45 -0000 On 2018-02-17 (11:44 MST), Valeri Galtsev = wrote: >=20 > And here is the part where we two will fundamentally disagree. The = truth > is, that Apple store offers you the latest version of given = application. But that is simply not true. There are plenty of applications that I can = reinstall on my old device that does not run the current OS, and I will = get the version for the OS I am running, not the newest version of the = application. Apple cannot give you a version of an application that the developer has = removed from the App store, no matter how badly you want it, as it is = not theirs to give. --=20 You only had to look into Teatime's mismatched eyes to know one thing, which was this: if Teatime wanted to find you he would not look everywhere. He'd look in only one place, which would be the place where you were hiding. --Hogfather From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 19 07:10:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42068F07E1E for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 07:10:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (mail.dpedia.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCD73843AF for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 07:10:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [2.247.255.197] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1enfb5-00032y-JF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:10:47 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id w1J7AhnG002359 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:10:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id w1J7Ah0J002358 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:10:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:10:43 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-ID: <20180219071043.GA2290@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 2.247.255.197 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 07:10:57 -0000 --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This thread went completely off-topic and has nothing to do anymore with the question of the OP. Btw: I'm used to use procmail to sort my incoming mails and the last recipe= is: :0 * ! ^Subject:.*File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD * ! ^Subject:.*Swap on SSD * ! ^Subject:.*FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation * ! ^Subject:.*xfce4 reverts to mirrored dislays * ! ^Subject:.*Periodical interrupt storm when playing game with USB keyboa= rd * ! ^Subject:.*hide identical mails within the same thread { } :0E IdoNotWantNoLongerThisThread --=20 Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, =E2=8C=82 http://www.unixarea.d= e/ =F0=9F=93=B1 +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub Thanks to the Soviet Army for the Victory in Stalingrad! -- =D0=9F=D0=BE=D0= =B1=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0 =D0=B2 =D0=A1=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=BD=D0=B3=D1= =80=D0=B0=D0=B4=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=B9 =D0=B1=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B2=D0=B5! --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEXmn7rBYYViyzy/vBR8z35Hb+nREFAlqKeFoACgkQR8z35Hb+ nRFkng//bzYvLqNtWXnQWdutYqL8V7W3O6KKvsYhGVTQh55RrkogTF/FlmvIwcDD VYKHDV/89nJXaf5BCGXAE+lwVoWFIgOQRN5rE8PrZk9URa39wBzd/shBS1+NF86J v+8v/80KHWRCL1QZnH2+APSLCqdikX9qrH8DUXv4lwgADfnRiRlrtaHXnV6TeeNW VifOF9sSGVBeO4a2NXoXvhAvltXZUIL4vccRoGx4cGGEBsGIXKRmNHAoE2Kzmx+/ S3b+MuJb19GIb1Wdz23VlCakGMOB28TeWUbERLnVoX3Sg3atUcj9sbbJmATHlmvx zE+DGzVMODs/7vigYjKRpiPvkatj9WY4gx0u9Q+P8DOmpR+42pgzVuenqmKtcaz5 bpVgMgj25LudFlWc0Io0IIHXIHPDrsKX19reS6N5XoyRFbmuCFaluWLBBfwYZrkC o0lEMQUkEq+JDZrhjffTzJ3v/zxyYLqwT/iEB1wZ8+t+pjqpu1ZNWW180MQP68XJ pBt5X/wgyw0LFqEgeNYxfAv2hgk/PWcV/Ie1YxYMnLAxjh8HCvFuyPGNjn68Exqf 51s+P5VNEbbise9+5sHS7s+1nYPquHeQIzJbS/RaxnWxw4h37lS88/G/z7aE6fO3 +S0m34SrmuCk2vEWyY5ahCsoaIx+9Yd2S8LjKgI4puRELIQPPmo= =iIx7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 19 07:14:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D22F08369 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 07:14:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0D6384624 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 07:14:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: "@lbutlr" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15E5178f) In-Reply-To: <20180217191551.d0d3f3aa.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:10:02 -0700 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180217191551.d0d3f3aa.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 07:14:39 -0000 On Feb 17, 2018, at 11:15, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > And as macOS is "somehow UNIX or even BSD", why doesn't > Apple provide a native iTunes program for FreeBSD? That > would make them look more professional - and me happy. :-) Two reasons, while OS X (Er, macOS) is Unix based, the GUI that iTunes runs i= n is much more than just a gnome-GUI and it would take massive efforts to po= rt something like iTunes to FreeBSD. Second, it=E2=80=99s an insignificantly small market since it only includes t= hose very few people who run BSD and won=E2=80=99t use Windows or macOS. There=E2=80=99s a lot more whinging for Linux support, and that=E2=80=99s li= terally never going to happen since that would be much more effort for o my s= lightly larger user base. --=20 This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 19 08:13:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86557F0C8FC for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DBCB86A1D for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1519028017; x=1521620017; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=TOnCSkbMg4XXOW3MUDvZKjPK4vKs6yJ7/2iQDE1F+f0=; b=n/mLhCxh6z73G4fIBDKH46DVe/KCFxMg6b3iwFgQfCYL8htGTu6yXneMJAr5p5bujgL0xPY2Iharn3WnegNbLgGxcnH4obHnfJzL81yw4w+n5tTNe/jRLJm/AB5mFQn0yYgGIUq0LHJMSE4VdallKT0IohHSFQHKRhkuDFGr0AU= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi45MDAwMDAwMDJkMjc0ZS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r3.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.165.229.15]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 19 Feb 2018 03:13:28 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r3.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 19 Feb 2018 03:13:21 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1engZc-0002kv-23; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:13:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:13:19 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: "@lbutlr" Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20180219081319.6cdfb203b8a30acb2cf0538c@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180217191551.d0d3f3aa.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:13:33 -0000 On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:10:02 -0700 "@lbutlr" wrote: > On Feb 17, 2018, at 11:15, Polytropon wrote: > > > > And as macOS is "somehow UNIX or even BSD", why doesn't > > Apple provide a native iTunes program for FreeBSD? That > > would make them look more professional - and me happy. :-) > > Two reasons, while OS X (Er, macOS) is Unix based, the GUI that iTunes > runs in is much more than just a gnome-GUI and it would take massive > efforts to port something like iTunes to FreeBSD. Perhaps -but iTunes also runs on Windows so most of the code must be sitting on some kind of compatibility layer, it probably wouldn't be too hard to add another backend to it - not that it's going to happen, if it was there would have been a Linux version ages ago. > Second, it’s an insignificantly small market since it only includes those > very few people who run BSD and won’t use Windows or macOS. That of course is why the effort to add and maintain another backend won't be happening. > There’s a lot more whinging for Linux support, and that’s literally never > going to happen since that would be much more effort for o my slightly > larger user base. Yep. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 19 08:17:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183B0F0CE93 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:17:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7AA286C3A for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 01:17:30 -0700 References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20180218004656.6e2197d0@archlinux.localdomain> <30404453-D006-4F54-B9A9-2399CC3366FD@mac.com> <20180218074107.5f990050@archlinux.localdomain> To: Freebsd Questions In-Reply-To: <20180218074107.5f990050@archlinux.localdomain> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.10) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:17:33 -0000 On 2018-02-17 (23:41 MST), Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions = wrote: >=20 > It is not false! Delete an app from you existing new iPhone and then = reinstall the app, if you sync after doing this, you sync, you don't = restore from a backup, hence the data is lost. If you backup after removing the app then you've overwritten the backup. = You can, of course, have multiple backups. --=20 Stone circles were common enough everywhere in the mountains. Druids built them as weather computers, and since it was always cheaper to build a new 33-Megalith circle than to upgrade an old slow one, there were generally plenty of ancient ones around --Lords and Ladies From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 19 17:25:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971DBF128DA for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:25:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brent.watson@tradeshowattendees.com) Received: from IND01-MA1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-ma1ind01on0123.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.100.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT TLS CA 4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4799380DA9 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:25:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brent.watson@tradeshowattendees.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Warm regards, Brent Watson Demand Generation Executive If you don't wish to receive our newsletters, reply back with "unsubscribe " in subject line From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 19 17:35:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232BBF13DFF for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:35:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587AD8189A for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:35:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from 124-169-249-32.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO leader.local) ([124.169.249.32]) by ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 20 Feb 2018 04:05:52 +1030 Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD To: "@lbutlr" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180217191551.d0d3f3aa.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 04:05:50 +1030 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-AU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:35:55 -0000 On 18/02/2018 12:40, @lbutlr wrote: > On Feb 17, 2018, at 11:15, Polytropon wrote: >> >> And as macOS is "somehow UNIX or even BSD", why doesn't Apple >> provide a native iTunes program for FreeBSD? That would make them >> look more professional - and me happy. :-) > > Two reasons, while OS X (Er, macOS) is Unix based, the GUI that > iTunes runs in is much more than just a gnome-GUI and it would take > massive efforts to port something like iTunes to FreeBSD. iTunes would be a Cocoa app - and as devel/gnustep strives to be code compatible with Apple's Cocoa framework it would make a lot of the porting work already done. I also believe that it would be less work than you think, as when Apple brought NeXT, the nextstep code that became Cocoa, already supported Windows and Solaris on a variety of hardware like m68K, x86, Sparc and HP Risc. So the areas that need porting will already be clearly identified and could be closer to working than you'd expect. -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 19 17:56:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D058F15B64 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED76382BBB for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:56:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 0F106CB8D26; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:56:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.52.253 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:56:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <61321.128.135.52.253.1519062986.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:56:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "@lbutlr" Cc: "Freebsd Questions" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:56:34 -0000 On Mon, February 19, 2018 12:20 am, @lbutlr wrote: > On 2018-02-17 (11:44 MST), Valeri Galtsev > wrote: >> >> And here is the part where we two will fundamentally disagree. The truth >> is, that Apple store offers you the latest version of given application. > > But that is simply not true. There are plenty of applications that I can > reinstall on my old device that does not run the current OS, and I will > get the version for the OS I am running, not the newest version of the > application. > > Apple cannot give you a version of an application that the developer has > removed from the App store, no matter how badly you want it, as it is not > theirs to give. I wonder if you could teach me how to install older version of some application through apple store for which apple store already carries newer version of application. What do I do on my iOS device (iPhone or iPad) to choose different version of application than the one that pops up in the search of app store. I don't care which application you choose as example, I just would like to follow your step by step instruction. Once I am able to see one (whichever) application for which I can choose one of two different versions, I will happily admit that my statement was wrong. And I will learn something. But so far I haven't seen the way to install older version of some application (the version that was released when older version on iOS was actively supported). But, of course, I did check all applications that are in apple store. Thanks. Valeri > > -- > You only had to look into Teatime's mismatched eyes to know one thing, > which was this: if Teatime wanted to find you he would not look > everywhere. He'd look in only one place, which would be the place where > you were hiding. --Hogfather > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 19 20:02:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D3DF1FBC5 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:02:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milstar2@protonmail.com) Received: from mail4.protonmail.ch (mail4.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "QuoVadis Global SSL ICA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF84A68929 for ; 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Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjohnstone@tridentusa.com) Received: from mail.tridentusa.com (mail.tridentusa.com [96.225.19.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654966B559 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:03:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjohnstone@tridentusa.com) Received: (qmail 12370 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2018 15:57:04 -0500 Received: from pool-108-53-138-183.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net (HELO ?192.168.1.156?) (jjohnstone@tridentusa.com@108.53.138.183) by mail.tridentusa.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2018 15:57:04 -0500 Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <61321.128.135.52.253.1519062986.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> From: John Johnstone Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:56:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <61321.128.135.52.253.1519062986.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:03:47 -0000 On 2/19/18 12:56 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Mon, February 19, 2018 12:20 am, @lbutlr wrote: >> On 2018-02-17 (11:44 MST), Valeri Galtsev >> wrote: >>> >>> And here is the part where we two will fundamentally disagree. The truth >>> is, that Apple store offers you the latest version of given application. >> >> But that is simply not true. There are plenty of applications that I can >> reinstall on my old device that does not run the current OS, and I will >> get the version for the OS I am running, not the newest version of the >> application. >> >> Apple cannot give you a version of an application that the developer has >> removed from the App store, no matter how badly you want it, as it is not >> theirs to give. > > I wonder if you could teach me how to install older version of some > application through apple store for which apple store already carries > newer version of application. What do I do on my iOS device (iPhone or > iPad) to choose different version of application than the one that pops up > in the search of app store. > > I don't care which application you choose as example, I just would like to > follow your step by step instruction. Once I am able to see one > (whichever) application for which I can choose one of two different > versions, I will happily admit that my statement was wrong. And I will > learn something. But so far I haven't seen the way to install older > version of some application (the version that was released when older > version on iOS was actively supported). But, of course, I did check all > applications that are in apple store. > > Thanks. > Valeri An iOS device can be used with or without iTunes. Without iTunes, apps install on the device directly from the App store and only the latest app version is available with whatever iOS dependency it has from the developer. Some developers create new apps with a different name which allows them to have similar apps in the store with different iOS dependencies. With older versions of iTunes (e.g. 10.6.2), apps are downloaded from the App store into iTunes and stored locally in the iTunes app library. Syncing with the iOS device with iTunes installs the app from the iTunes library. The local storing of apps in the iTunes app library was removed in more recent versions of iTunes. When restoring from a backup apps are restored from either the app library with older versions of iTunes or directly from the App store with the newer iTunes versions or in the case of iCloud backups. You then get whatever app version is available in the store at the time you do the restore. If this subject is important for someone they need to do some careful research outside of this mailing list. Because the behavior has changed over time and varies with the different scenarios this is an area that is not fully understood by many people. - John J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 19 22:38:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA552F055A6 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:38:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6D6703FD for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:38:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D078971803E; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:37:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD To: John Johnstone , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <61321.128.135.52.253.1519062986.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <2e062740-f159-6888-e656-c7d572b5abbd@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:37:54 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:38:01 -0000 On 02/19/18 14:56, John Johnstone wrote: > On 2/19/18 12:56 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> On Mon, February 19, 2018 12:20 am, @lbutlr wrote: >>> On 2018-02-17 (11:44 MST), Valeri Galtsev >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> And here is the part where we two will fundamentally disagree. The >>>> truth >>>> is, that Apple store offers you the latest version of given >>>> application. >>> >>> But that is simply not true. There are plenty of applications that I can >>> reinstall on my old device that does not run the current OS, and I will >>> get the version for the OS I am running, not the newest version of the >>> application. >>> >>> Apple cannot give you a version of an application that the developer has >>> removed from the App store, no matter how badly you want it, as it is >>> not >>> theirs to give. >> >> I wonder if you could teach me how to install older version of some >> application through apple store for which apple store already carries >> newer version of application. What do I do on my iOS device (iPhone or >> iPad) to choose different version of application than the one that >> pops up >> in the search of app store. >> >> I don't care which application you choose as example, I just would >> like to >> follow your step by step instruction. Once I am able to see one >> (whichever) application for which I can choose one of two different >> versions, I will happily admit that my statement was wrong. And I will >> learn something. But so far I haven't seen the way to install older >> version of some application (the version that was released when older >> version on iOS was actively supported). But, of course, I did check all >> applications that are in apple store. >> >> Thanks. >> Valeri > > An iOS device can be used with or without iTunes.  Without iTunes, apps > install on the device directly from the App store and only the latest > app version is available with whatever iOS dependency it has from the > developer.  Some developers create new apps with a different name which > allows them to have similar apps in the store with different iOS > dependencies. > > With older versions of iTunes (e.g. 10.6.2), apps are downloaded from > the App store into iTunes and stored locally in the iTunes app library. > Syncing with the iOS device with iTunes installs the app from the iTunes > library.  The local storing of apps in the iTunes app library was > removed in more recent versions of iTunes. > > When restoring from a backup apps are restored from either the app > library with older versions of iTunes or directly from the App store > with the newer iTunes versions or in the case of iCloud backups.  You > then get whatever app version is available in the store at the time you > do the restore. > > If this subject is important for someone they need to do some careful > research outside of this mailing list.  Because the behavior has changed > over time and varies with the different scenarios this is an area that > is not fully understood by many people. > Thanks John. I know the options you listed. The situation I had with one person doesn't fit into them: device was wiped, but we hadn't back up of it... And I do agree, even though I stand by my original statement, I will stop arguing here, mo matter what someone may say. This mail list is not the place for it. My apologies that I didn't realize it earlier. Valeri > - > John J. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 20 03:13:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACFAF1EDE2 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 03:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9C797CD89 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 03:13:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:13:00 -0700 References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <61321.128.135.52.253.1519062986.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> To: Freebsd Questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7C5CB74B-D77F-4FFF-8BCD-DBB2B1C501FC@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.10) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 03:13:03 -0000 On 2018-02-19 (13:56 MST), John Johnstone = wrote: >=20 > On 2/19/18 12:56 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> On Mon, February 19, 2018 12:20 am, @lbutlr wrote: >>> On 2018-02-17 (11:44 MST), Valeri Galtsev = >>> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> And here is the part where we two will fundamentally disagree. The = truth >>>> is, that Apple store offers you the latest version of given = application. >>>=20 >>> But that is simply not true. There are plenty of applications that I = can >>> reinstall on my old device that does not run the current OS, and I = will >>> get the version for the OS I am running, not the newest version of = the >>> application. >>>=20 >>> Apple cannot give you a version of an application that the developer = has >>> removed from the App store, no matter how badly you want it, as it = is not >>> theirs to give. >> I wonder if you could teach me how to install older version of some >> application through apple store for which apple store already carries >> newer version of application. What do I do on my iOS device (iPhone = or >> iPad) to choose different version of application than the one that = pops up >> in the search of app store. >> I don't care which application you choose as example, I just would = like to >> follow your step by step instruction. Once I am able to see one >> (whichever) application for which I can choose one of two different >> versions, I will happily admit that my statement was wrong. And I = will >> learn something. But so far I haven't seen the way to install older >> version of some application (the version that was released when older >> version on iOS was actively supported). But, of course, I did check = all >> applications that are in apple store. >> Thanks. >> Valeri >=20 > An iOS device can be used with or without iTunes. Without iTunes, = apps install on the device directly from the App store So far so good. > and only the latest app version is available No, this is not correct. The App store will download a version that will work on your current OS = version, even if that is not the newest version, assuming the developer = has left that version active. Most developers do not do this because it is not worthwhile to support = old versions that they are not able to patch or update. --=20 What if there were no hypothetical questions? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 20 05:02:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68966F018E2 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 05:02:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjohnstone@tridentusa.com) Received: from mail.tridentusa.com (mail.tridentusa.com [96.225.19.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0075581FC9 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 05:02:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjohnstone@tridentusa.com) Received: (qmail 26072 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2018 00:02:01 -0500 Received: from pool-108-53-138-183.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net (HELO ?192.168.1.156?) (jjohnstone@tridentusa.com@108.53.138.183) by mail.tridentusa.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2018 00:02:01 -0500 Subject: Re: File fransfer from iPad to FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180216104703.555e9987.freebsd@edvax.de> <44df8585-9874-2614-590a-bea78f54caa4@kicp.uchicago.edu> <54570.108.68.161.195.1518893084.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <61321.128.135.52.253.1519062986.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <7C5CB74B-D77F-4FFF-8BCD-DBB2B1C501FC@kreme.com> From: John Johnstone Message-ID: <2a8321cc-56bc-eb71-94d7-2e6b8912362c@tridentusa.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 00:01:54 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7C5CB74B-D77F-4FFF-8BCD-DBB2B1C501FC@kreme.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 05:02:02 -0000 On 2/19/18 10:13 PM, @lbutlr wrote: > On 2018-02-19 (13:56 MST), John Johnstone wrote: >> and only the latest app version is available > > No, this is not correct. > > The App store will download a version that will work on your current OS > version, even if that is not the newest version, assuming the developer > has left that version active. > > Most developers do not do this because it is not worthwhile to support > old versions that they are not able to patch or update. This might be so. Maybe unusual enough that I haven't heard of it. I'm also in the "needing to do more research" group. - John J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 20 13:15:53 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D44F006AD for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:15:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5680769C6 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:15:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C016242B for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:15:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oXZOvwIf-iRB for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "imap.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA HLL ISSUER 01" (not verified)) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (verified OK)) by inet07.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87BFE8A326 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB0E6242B for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:15:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VtQ299mgoIFL for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:15:41 -0500 (EST) X-Greylist: delayed 560 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:15:41 EST Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1479B1068C; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:06:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Administrative email from FreeBSD jails To: Michael Grimm , byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@harte-lyne.ca, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0e77f110b4b3072a9328ea014cfc0284.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <2229230b-936b-9ee2-0c06-4f5e56b2c573@qeng-ho.org> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:06:17 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:15:53 -0000 On 16/02/2018 17:06, Michael Grimm wrote: > James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > >> Is the any simpler software package that can forward all application >> and system generated email from a jail to an external hub? >> >> How do other people handle this requirement in their jails? > > I did substitute sendmail by DragonFly Mail Agent in mail/dma some time ago. It runs at the host and in all those jails not running postfix. Easy setup [1], fine replacement of sendmail. > > [1] in my case it's a two line config (your milage my vary) with 10.1.2.3 running my postfix MTA: > > # Your smarthost (also called relayhost). > SMARTHOST 10.1.2.3 > # The internet hostname dma uses to identify the host. > MAILNAME kaan-bock.net [This is a bit delayed, I've been offline with flu.] I'll second DMA. I've looked at various solutions over the years, and if you want mail to go out sensibly but don't need incoming mail DMA is the simplest solution I've found. -- An amusing coincidence: log2(58) = 5.858 (to 0.0003% accuracy). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 20 13:28:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9799EF01A8D for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8337C77214 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from t23.smithi.id.au (pa49-180-140-99.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au [49.180.140.99]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id w1KDKlUX099719; Wed, 21 Feb 2018 00:20:52 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Message-ID: <5A8C20A9.3080809@nimnet.asn.au> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 00:20:41 +1100 From: Ian Smith Organization: Nimbin Network Association User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20091022 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: starikarp@yandex.com CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfw firewall References: <1518905856.89579.1.camel@yandex.com> In-Reply-To: <1518905856.89579.1.camel@yandex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:28:25 -0000 On Sat Feb 17 22:17:44 UTC 2018 starikarp@yandex.com wrote: (I'm not currently subscribed; quoting here pasted from the archives) > I am using FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE (amd64), single desktop computer. I try > to setup a IPFW firewall and I am confused about logging settings. > In /etc/rc.conf I have: > firewall_enable="YES" > firewall_quiet="YES" > firewall_type="workstation" > firewall_logdeny="YES" > firewall_logging="YES" That looks correct and sufficient. > When I start computer I got about firewall: > ipfw2 (+ipv6) initialized, divert loadable, nat loadable, default to > deny, logging disable[d] That's right. Logging is disabled when the module is first loaded and logged in /var/log/messages, then enabled after initialisation if firewall_logging is set to YES; see /etc/rc.d/ipfw Contrary to (much) older versions of FreeBSD and so the out-of-date Handbook section on ipfw, there's no need to change any kernel configuration for ipfw these days; all modules (ipfw and ipfw_nat and dummynet if used) are loaded, and all options may be set by sysctls, see below. > In /var/log/security is: newsyslog[28503]: logfile first created Ok. If that's all, then no packets have been denied and logged. If you look at the workstation section in /etc/rc.firewall you'll see that only packets that were not passed or denied by all earlier rules are denied as the second last rule - you can confirm that with '# ipfw list' as being: 65nnn deny log logamount 500 ip from any to any > How should I know if firewall works? I had to use pf firewall and I had > so many logs related to "igmp query v3". There are various other non-logged deny rules in rc.firewall workstation, two of which are: # Broadcasts and multicasts ${fwcmd} add deny ip from any to 255.255.255.255 ${fwcmd} add deny ip from any to 224.0.0.0/24 in # XXX I suspect IGMP might use 224.0.0.0/24 and so would be silently denied. 'workstation' is quite permissive as to what you're allowed to do, and quite strict about denying any would-be connections from the outside - unless you specifically enable firewall_myservices and firewall_allowservices. What I do is copy rc.firewall to (say) rc.myfirewall then make modifications to that - to avoid system upgrades losing them - and have in /etc/rc.conf: firewall_script="/etc/rc.myfirewall" # Which script to run to set up the firewall If you like, you could then add 'log' to any {pass,deny.count,skipto,nat..} rule/s you want logged, for testing or otherwise. But the easy way to check your firewall is working as desired is to list the ruleset, including timestamps and all dynamic rules, with: # ipfw -ted show As Polytropon suggested you can use tcpdump or wireshark etc to watch. And you can see all the kernel settings for ipfw with: # sysctl net.inet.ip.fw > Thank you. My pleasure. Familiarise yourself with ipfw(8) (man ipfw) and prosper. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 20 16:37:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC82F12A8D for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:37:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EE247F948 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:37:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5851962549 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:37:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id movkFcYZ39lB for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7AE2B6242B for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:37:05 -0500 Message-ID: <8dd22f1fb178c6d2484bc1ed16f5fefb.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:37:05 -0500 Subject: WebDAV permissions anomoly (FreeBSD-1, Apache24) From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:37:09 -0000 I am encountering some confusing problems with permissions with respect to our recently transferred WebDAV site. Some, perhaps most but definitely some, of the files and folders that were transferred from the old site to the new via rsync do not seem to exhibit the expected behaviour with respect to user permissions while flies and folders that have been created since the transfer do. For example: A folder X was transferred from the old site while folder Y has been newly created on the present site. A file that can be moved into and out of folder Y cannot be placed into folder X due to a permissions problem. And yet both folders reside in the same directory node and have the exact same permissions and ownership. Is there any explanation for this? I have searched but I cannot seem to find anything on this specific problem. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 20 18:32:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66239F1D82E for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:32:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mx-p1.obspm.fr (mx-p1.obspm.fr [145.238.193.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.obspm.fr", Issuer "TERENA SSL CA 3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA657857D4 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:32:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from io.chezmoi.fr (io-p2.obspm.fr [145.238.197.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx-p1.obspm.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/DIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/04/10) with ESMTP id w1KIWAcR225166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:32:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:32:12 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Dell Perc H740p Message-ID: <20180220183212.GA13752@io.chezmoi.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.11 (mx-p1.obspm.fr [145.238.193.20]); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:32:11 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.3 at mx-p1.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:32:20 -0000 Hi everyone. Is they are someone here who was able to install a FreeBSD on a Dell R740 with Perc H740p ? After the boot I don't see any disk. I try to add : hw.mfi.mrsas_enable="1" in the loader.conf I try the driver from https://www.broadcom.com/products/storage/raid-controllers/megaraid-9460-8i#downloads following http://freebsd.1045724.x6.nabble.com/Driver-support-for-Dell-PERC-H740p-adapter-td6229264.html#a6229872 but nothing. Don't see any drive on the server. Regards. -- Albert SHIH Heure local/Local time: Tue Feb 20 19:29:08 CET 2018 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 20 18:35:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E950F1DC54 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:35:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from duane@nofroth.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x236.google.com (mail-qk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14CEC85AE9 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:35:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from duane@nofroth.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x236.google.com with SMTP id y137so11585898qka.4 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:35:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nofroth.com; s=google; h=cc:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4Whd+xN4bG0ujfi1TCNHopCRIHbBrC+P/9aCyW7BYFE=; b=TfSy9IIwS7cY3vYSfb92i/nEDVsvSwS7M0s77OKQEtGCOBD298F/IgkTpMSQHxZ6r9 ihbSCcmpQnmCLAC3bejjgZWEkUR7V361AWVQsaH078W6u/2u91Lm5wWdhOm75k8MOG0j Yjm4IBs4gou7oYr1CyGE5ncuL/w+30Bqyv6YkabQ+mkuc/OQUIOGLCcryw5dZEUBgK0F /SIdjZMbZbKmQ51NpVkYWl564eoRQv3VCWqsxeIxSXg9Wx+j7UColRSZ/KWnFjttA7Yt ZNwiGV8jCArrk70mnwLElhhxUyMC2DDaDBNWtn9cVWSxAfrK0/rngL71L9d/x3cZndcl 0Chw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:cc:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4Whd+xN4bG0ujfi1TCNHopCRIHbBrC+P/9aCyW7BYFE=; b=ngrAOGBgUROm5SCnodDWeCiOpbM8OiVgBmK0B+6wcbKyvHkTVbzljQckoOaNXIaKkA kihKvqDPJGlYT4u5dbuDT4GhT3UPGkqyLm4dZNJeaGJ1hVjSAXj8LNkBlq2RXl5svRQ9 dyrhceUXQBX3eGy169we/+VKhjrKoMKkZMfwNHn328dsvGFJOlZ9Mw/k3hAqDGpsoNF6 lqhJ4q6ZsUeO/E4GBL1u0ei0Aorn95acpc+H9r6LukBc/vNH6OhWAMlaK6e0RqFu6ia3 s3CI4+1u0LRD97s5jXQjjZTjR/K22BgVTIYb50gNuPMdlg6tar3YSt2MUNsTcCvGKfRR aMPA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAVGuuuLepKjyWcl7R5FuH/tWlMysMraobOPoorH0BYV5XX2VNo BMqi6p4J5EItPsktI7Y+Z60aMZ+OvXM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x226OKkUSu24z9HiwyIn0k15egRaZk9SpgO6zr+7lYFPAYIjyMVpdOvaNSHqsXv/BB5HaOYLYAw== X-Received: by 10.55.203.156 with SMTP id u28mr914118qkl.95.1519151713610; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.8.8.36] ([162.253.131.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h127sm9288560qkc.70.2018.02.20.10.35.12 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:35:13 -0800 (PST) Cc: duane@nofroth.com Subject: Re: WebDAV permissions anomoly (FreeBSD-1, Apache24) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8dd22f1fb178c6d2484bc1ed16f5fefb.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Duane Whitty Message-ID: <9449880b-953f-6177-ce2a-12b634ecfebd@nofroth.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:35:11 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8dd22f1fb178c6d2484bc1ed16f5fefb.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:35:14 -0000 On 18-02-20 12:37 PM, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > I am encountering some confusing problems with permissions with > respect to our recently transferred WebDAV site. Some, perhaps most > but definitely some, of the files and folders that were transferred > from the old site to the new via rsync do not seem to exhibit the > expected behaviour with respect to user permissions while flies and > folders that have been created since the transfer do. > > For example: A folder X was transferred from the old site while folder > Y has been newly created on the present site. A file that can be > moved into and out of folder Y cannot be placed into folder X due to a > permissions problem. And yet both folders reside in the same > directory node and have the exact same permissions and ownership. > > Is there any explanation for this? I have searched but I cannot seem > to find anything on this specific problem. > > Hi James, I'm not an rsync or webdav expert but, if I may, there are a couple of things I would like to suggest that you do to make it easier and more effective for others to help you. *) File system types? *) What was your exact rsync command? *) There are probably file permission settings for webdav, what are yours? *) Do you have any security policies in place e.g. MAC, etc? Hope this helps a little. Good hunting! Best Regards, Duane -- Duane Whitty duane@nofroth.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 20 18:42:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B63AF1F987 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:42:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mx-p1.obspm.fr (mx-p1.obspm.fr [145.238.193.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.obspm.fr", Issuer "TERENA SSL CA 3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EE9E86242 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:42:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from io.chezmoi.fr (io-p2.obspm.fr [145.238.197.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx-p1.obspm.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/DIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/04/10) with ESMTP id w1KIg5nj243645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:42:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:42:07 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WebDAV permissions anomoly (FreeBSD-1, Apache24) Message-ID: <20180220184207.GC13752@io.chezmoi.fr> References: <8dd22f1fb178c6d2484bc1ed16f5fefb.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <8dd22f1fb178c6d2484bc1ed16f5fefb.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.11 (mx-p1.obspm.fr [145.238.193.20]); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:42:06 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.3 at mx-p1.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:42:08 -0000 Le 20/02/2018 11:37:05-0500, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions a crit > I am encountering some confusing problems with permissions with > respect to our recently transferred WebDAV site. Some, perhaps most > but definitely some, of the files and folders that were transferred > from the old site to the new via rsync do not seem to exhibit the > expected behaviour with respect to user permissions while flies and > folders that have been created since the transfer do. > > For example: A folder X was transferred from the old site while folder > Y has been newly created on the present site. A file that can be > moved into and out of folder Y cannot be placed into folder X due to a > permissions problem. And yet both folders reside in the same > directory node and have the exact same permissions and ownership. > > Is there any explanation for this? I have searched but I cannot seem > to find anything on this specific problem. > Do you have add --numeric-ids options on your rsync commands ? Regards -- Albert SHIH DIO btiment 15 xmpp: jas@obspm.fr Heure local/Local time: Tue Feb 20 19:41:12 CET 2018 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 20 19:54:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020A8F25ABF for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:54:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96AAF69EB4 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:54:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF2862485; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:54:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E5B5g8A8OYh8; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B2C2623F1; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:54:13 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20180220184207.GC13752@io.chezmoi.fr> References: <8dd22f1fb178c6d2484bc1ed16f5fefb.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <20180220184207.GC13752@io.chezmoi.fr> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:54:13 -0500 Subject: Re: WebDAV permissions anomoly (FreeBSD-1, Apache24) From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Albert Shih" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:54:19 -0000 On Tue, February 20, 2018 13:42, Albert Shih wrote: > > Do you have add > > --numeric-ids > > options on your rsync commands ? > This is the rsync command used on the original host: rsync --recursive --copy-links --verbose --specials --times -e"ssh " /var/data/hll_dav hll107:/usr/local/www/apache24/data So, the answer is no, I did not use '--numeric-ids'. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 20 21:33:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9092FF0534D for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 345C6713B7 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB82A62485 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:33:29 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8zeB3pfcpy-6 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 51BD662440 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:33:27 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <8dd22f1fb178c6d2484bc1ed16f5fefb.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <20180220184207.GC13752@io.chezmoi.fr> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:33:27 -0500 Subject: Re: WebDAV permissions anomoly (FreeBSD-1, Apache24) From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:33:31 -0000 This issue turned out to be a file/folder ownership problem. Somehow a number of the transferred files ended up having the ownership root:www whereas the bulk of the files had the proper www:www ownership. Most of the improperly owned files were found in one directory which is why I was mislead as to the extent of the problem. Doing a chown -R www:www at the root of the webdav directory tree appears to have corrected the problem. I will continue to monitor this just in case it was actually caused by something other than the transfer process and reoccurs. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 20 21:46:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E6FF0678C for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mx-p1.obspm.fr (mx-p1.obspm.fr [145.238.193.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.obspm.fr", Issuer "TERENA SSL CA 3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B61EF71F4F for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:46:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from io.chezmoi.fr (vpn.obspm.fr [145.238.186.39]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx-p1.obspm.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/DIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/04/10) with ESMTP id w1KLkJaE180582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:46:21 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:46:20 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: "James B. Byrne" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WebDAV permissions anomoly (FreeBSD-1, Apache24) Message-ID: <20180220214620.GA1284@io.chezmoi.fr> References: <8dd22f1fb178c6d2484bc1ed16f5fefb.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <20180220184207.GC13752@io.chezmoi.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.11 (mx-p1.obspm.fr [145.238.193.20]); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:46:21 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.3 at mx-p1.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:46:23 -0000 Le 20/02/2018 14:54:13-0500, James B. Byrne a crit > > On Tue, February 20, 2018 13:42, Albert Shih wrote: > > > > Do you have add > > > > --numeric-ids > > > > options on your rsync commands ? > > > > This is the rsync command used on the original host: > > rsync --recursive --copy-links --verbose --specials --times > -e"ssh " /var/data/hll_dav hll107:/usr/local/www/apache24/data > > > So, the answer is no, I did not use '--numeric-ids'. I'm not sure it's the reason, but be very careful when you use rsync, if you can have problem with ownership. If you don't use --numeric-ids and let's say on your primary server you get a file own by X, and another by Y, on the target (rsync) server if X exist and Y does not, you going to have the first file correctly own by X, and the second own by root. So you can break your software with that. On the other hand if you use --numeric-ids you need...also to be very careful because rsync going to copy just the numeric-id so the file own by X on the primary server can be own by Y on the target server. So in "general" the best way to do rsync is to synchronize first your /etc/passwd. Regards. -- Albert SHIH xmpp: jas@obspm.fr Heure local/Local time: Tue Feb 20 22:40:26 CET 2018 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 20 21:48:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7A9F06ACC for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:48:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mx-p1.obspm.fr (mx-p1.obspm.fr [145.238.193.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.obspm.fr", Issuer "TERENA SSL CA 3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FE0A720F7 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from io.chezmoi.fr (vpn.obspm.fr [145.238.186.39]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx-p1.obspm.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/DIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/04/10) with ESMTP id w1KLm4aI182164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:48:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:48:06 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WebDAV permissions anomoly (FreeBSD-1, Apache24) Message-ID: <20180220214806.GB1284@io.chezmoi.fr> References: <8dd22f1fb178c6d2484bc1ed16f5fefb.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <20180220184207.GC13752@io.chezmoi.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.11 (mx-p1.obspm.fr [145.238.193.20]); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:48:07 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.3 at mx-p1.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:48:08 -0000 Le 20/02/2018 16:33:27-0500, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions a crit > This issue turned out to be a file/folder ownership problem. Somehow > a number of the transferred files ended up having the ownership > root:www whereas the bulk of the files had the proper www:www > ownership. Most of the improperly owned files were found in one > directory which is why I was mislead as to the extent of the problem. > > Doing a chown -R www:www at the root of the webdav directory tree > appears to have corrected the problem. I will continue to monitor > this just in case it was actually caused by something other than the > transfer process and reoccurs. It's very strange that are only partial, does you use NIS/LDAP ? Regards -- Albert SHIH xmpp: jas@obspm.fr Heure local/Local time: Tue Feb 20 22:47:09 CET 2018 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 20 22:48:03 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A32F0D1B6 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968D97561E for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFE9718010; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:47:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: WebDAV permissions anomoly (FreeBSD-1, Apache24) To: Albert Shih , "James B. Byrne" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8dd22f1fb178c6d2484bc1ed16f5fefb.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <20180220184207.GC13752@io.chezmoi.fr> <20180220214620.GA1284@io.chezmoi.fr> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <58812594-8e59-1018-d387-17e449d6e85a@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:47:55 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180220214620.GA1284@io.chezmoi.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:48:03 -0000 On 02/20/18 15:46, Albert Shih wrote: > Le 20/02/2018 à 14:54:13-0500, James B. Byrne a écrit >> >> On Tue, February 20, 2018 13:42, Albert Shih wrote: >>> >>> Do you have add >>> >>> --numeric-ids >>> >>> options on your rsync commands ? >>> >> >> This is the rsync command used on the original host: >> >> rsync --recursive --copy-links --verbose --specials --times >> -e"ssh " /var/data/hll_dav hll107:/usr/local/www/apache24/data >> >> >> So, the answer is no, I did not use '--numeric-ids'. > > I'm not sure it's the reason, but be very careful when you use rsync, if > you can have problem with ownership. > > If you don't use --numeric-ids and let's say on your primary server you get > a file own by X, and another by Y, on the target (rsync) server if X exist > and Y does not, you going to have the first file correctly own by X, and > the second own by root. So you can break your software with that. > > On the other hand if you use --numeric-ids you need...also to be very > careful because rsync going to copy just the numeric-id so the file own by > X on the primary server can be own by Y on the target server. I usually use rsync -avu ... which I believe covers that and a lot more (like copying symlinks as such, not original file in place of symlink; timestamps...), where -a equals --archive which is a set -rlptgoD Just my $0.02 Valeri > > So in "general" the best way to do rsync is to synchronize first your > /etc/passwd. > > Regards. > -- > Albert SHIH > xmpp: jas@obspm.fr > Heure local/Local time: > Tue Feb 20 22:40:26 CET 2018 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 21 20:38:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C545F2835E for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hela.yon@leadsinsights-boosters.com) Received: from mail-pg0-x22e.google.com (mail-pg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D6BA718C4 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:38:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hela.yon@leadsinsights-boosters.com) Received: by mail-pg0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id m19so1112991pgn.1 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2018 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=leadsinsights-boosters-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:thread-index :content-language; bh=YXP8YHvpALSGXhWLNQr+brQFNCnkh24VuCT46+5Ict8=; b=eiA7qb0kK3pphwEe4fSSpXP1C1GPl4uywuTkfll2YauA04b+5RJmTcHDMIT6vyaGsg KOB+1qboA0Z5wn9q2zorwJC7I/SgXoinv39CZ0l+0c3zHD9toDz6ePScmWf6WsjwjdYv SW9M3uuKWEfAHgEdEIWuN1Jn4eFG9sgeLjApKL6Yar1Q3evRI9yzdNcq/GWC4Mlja0/q 2FTP3F6WjOG17ES9ARDXNWIYFxKLRSli/DhzaUc3F607PUYjKadj3n12QiUPS/Nzvd2D 2Yv44onMeK+5SfUszhWwJeI7Z+mjjHZAyz90PtUgSEkbXzsi4B9cJcd8rfV+VCGq/Yj+ zKmQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :thread-index:content-language; bh=YXP8YHvpALSGXhWLNQr+brQFNCnkh24VuCT46+5Ict8=; b=lfaQJdlpEOG64x4+BnU79bguTVgGs+ZqUx9KBK5TqTBOpxYlMma/uYctA2P0zLVgl1 c+GN0vVRDEWUKESwTt8Z/paLetMit0npTaZnhAdF9pHU+GMgrdcIEaHRrplfI0LozGgS dhgvDJeRqmnlzRfM/ZcjvLbibcvcJOlmwFL5xnnYtau9ZHH3aN4+XynqYwDcdawcqh4d DgotmZOUSkxPLXdIjN/0hDaEtpjqanSjxrm+XnpV0hegsK30DEuA+Ifmc3/xUFgDKFSd eurSp9NBhpzDU4w945D4Ot2JmdFDAVyvZCiv3RsUSH1+rz7DbouO5EwFezTLQqmEyQmX H30Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPB6BjG0oo0fYFOpNglnp2zHIyT3FTJ7CtWRdAxM+gheAyD9tRi0 jLyWfyXFRi9VNVmWA0rJG56RMLVJ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227XZbO5ilXD37OjaJMSzkQFwXJjR9AieZCHc9tdIn2Udwjzazv/TqW2s3sMBEc0zeiv1i0A3Q== X-Received: by 10.98.209.8 with SMTP id z8mr4461676pfg.240.1519245497291; Wed, 21 Feb 2018 12:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunnyPC ([103.210.134.128]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q66sm41030125pfi.95.2018.02.21.12.38.15 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 21 Feb 2018 12:38:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Hela Yon" To: Subject: IWCE Expo 2018 Attendees List? 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Message-id: <62509DC6-7852-4CB7-92E3-0ACC0E4D3344@icloud.com> To: freebsd X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15D100) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:49:40 -0000 I'm now working on freebsd 11.1 . =20 Sometimes i no need to login X, just veiw some source code after boot comple= tely. On boot process after invoke 'kldload i915kms' console font becomes small a= nd difficult to distinguish.=20 If i not invoke 'kldload i915kms' the font size becomes too big to read. Is there any way to change font type and size ? Regards, Lee. 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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 00:58:28 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how to change console font type and size ? To: =?UTF-8?B?5p2O5ZGo5Y2O?= Cc: freebsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:59:10 -0000 I have the same issue but I think it's related to the resolution, any way to change the resolution of the tty? 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[image: beacon] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 22 13:45:52 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC082F04843 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:45:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=584f2a0b1=a@jenisch.at) Received: from mgaterz2.oekb.co.at (mgaterz2.oekb.co.at [143.245.5.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mgaterz1.oekb.co.at", Issuer "Symantec Class 3 Secure Server CA - G4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 191DB83217 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:45:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=584f2a0b1=a@jenisch.at) Received: from exchhubcas2.oekb.co.at ([143.245.3.66]) by mgaterz2.oekb.co.at with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 22 Feb 2018 14:44:40 +0100 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (143.245.9.16) by internal-relay-exchhubcas2.oekb.co.at (143.245.3.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.319.2; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:44:39 +0100 Received: by aurora.oekb.co.at (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CAF4EE20178; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:44:39 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:44:39 +0100 From: Ewald Jenisch To: Subject: HP Proliant DL385 Gen10 refuses to boot FreeBSD 11 Message-ID: <20180222134439.GA3888@aurora.oekb.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:45:52 -0000 Hi, Got a new HP Proliant DL385 Gen10 Server and wanted to install FreeBSD. Starting from FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-amd64-bootonly.iso mounted via the iLo virtual CD device the system started with the usual install boot, but then suddenly crashed and rebooted the whole system - boot loop basically. I started playing around in the BIOS of the System trying UEFI vs. legacy BIOS, as well a bunch of other parameters but to no extent: the system just crashes when upon booting from the installation media :-( To cross check I tried to boot a Linux installation media (Ubuntu Server 16.04) and the server booted from the Linux ISO without any problem. So I'm pretty sure it's something FreeBSD related. My questions: o) Anybody else out there seen a problem like this on a HP DL385 Gen10? o) Any cure against it? Thanks much in advance for any clue, -ewald From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 22 14:59:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641DFF0B671 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:59:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4C148791F for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:59:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue102 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LtX6a-1eeo9N41CO-010t34; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:59:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:59:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: =?UTF-8?B?5p2O5ZGo5Y2O?= Cc: freebsd Subject: Re: how to change console font type and size ? Message-Id: <20180222155921.ca0fea60.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <62509DC6-7852-4CB7-92E3-0ACC0E4D3344@icloud.com> References: <62509DC6-7852-4CB7-92E3-0ACC0E4D3344@icloud.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:fx3x9IFFXld9iuoYVQ23BD51DZYrTlGPBMHwjgswO+Js7vrqaEn n1cWgiaXK5Zl1CujmLTZBDdEVIPVSUMB5KQrRgFILynvQVhwlecjkSpQDEQDfY3kwcmH7c3 dEWMwOH7zZQH8p60TNnHhpIQBy23iulUbkyBVl1U759bhj8Jf46HLxHFPKHba1jjZ/toQxK f5TDPgFH/n7jDB2bW68YA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:duPPZlpcnWM=:CKvy8uAes8IyHVXAAZk7CU 7/GGyMAdIhF/ow5U5YxpJCrAmW902/cPGl/du/5avtCjC5rY0hh8SwrNo1mvYhR0GELPdFuOv 7ToXQXt5qmkLf6Izj6U+nDLIteWlsYzFU+GqMt1ND9w2HTVQ8TVevziTCL4lq1CgRDrMA88Ky C+raXpHTRvwM+KcJBZg7AwKbptlN93ZW+ZjIXlfa81cdEm3iyUX+yuiUaPOc4zB3t4N7uYrpL 3ZLEEq0fvu0N/Oiv4YchiJBKnKYvrpDXAv2E/QXQntRVuUdgrovsxwaRLJdJtOQfAjYK01E6R hNrwC/ikiJGzMiNRC/xcYZpbFL+7mAwIAQgjPSFctbqXkiweVh+FrhfH8t39I56dEt5A+mi0c 1mBZRo6FAg4qGj9ZIuLVX2ELIJCLcNfiVtr2tuJ0iANMKMZKaO1GL0b4tdV5e8Ijkp0SQCGJS Rc2vMiYtNKn8LZjyLh+dNWj3X4BfDxwxtxZuTHY7KcxXLD6VeN5MgdwOhI+4Yws/jiszTvIdk 6NTQv3kbJCbh77DPx9X4/JVtGh/QWBSUKu5CjgqDQEF0ilpi/boq5+sAxVxK2mf/bTEA5xxlz Ne9cgHfMht+plH4fAtZaz+59ybVmVFjZ5dg3TPAaJrxTazAzsQW1zzqpguKX7vC3ec83QluqG 7r1HHuolf6KGW7x92NfhUm2QXqbyGxgDPnMPeAtdWjXkjW7o282yKSgFIOtIgSaWeqR35ZoGK Vi6qH+oXXPUoINrWKwi+9rGfV9k0E2OlVIWQR2T9MUapG33ft7/czDtYdL8= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:59:32 -0000 On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:48:40 +0800, 李周华 wrote: > I'm now working on freebsd 11.1 . > Sometimes i no need to login X, just veiw some source code > after boot completely. > > On boot process after invoke 'kldload i915kms' console font > becomes small and difficult to distinguish. Welcome to the "wonderful" world of sc. ;-) No, seriously: With vt, the new console subsystem, the selection of a readable font is still something that needs development. While sc defaulted to 80x25 (and you could switch to something bigger if you wanted), vt does not directly allow you to select a size on x. Instead, you need to experiment with the screen size (in pixels) and the font. > If i not invoke 'kldload i915kms' the font size becomes too big to read. How can anything be too big to read? :-) > Is there any way to change font type and size ? Yes. At least the font can be changed, its size will depend on many parameters quite hard to discover. Use # vidcontrol -f to experiment with the fonts. The available fonts are stored in the system directory /usr/share/vt/fonts. You can make the setting permanent using the corresponding entries in /etc/rc.conf, for example: allscreens_flags="-f gallant" This would choose the font "gallant" during multi-user boot. In /boot/loader.conf, you can set those: kern.vty=vt hw.vga.textmode=1 i915kms_load="YES" Note that the 1st entry - if I remember correctly - is optional in FreeBSD 11 because vt has obsoleted sc as the default console driver. But it doesn't hurt. :-) The 2nd entry is for experimenting. The 3rd entry is required if you want to run X. You can also experiment with a 4th entry: kern.vt.fb.default_mode="1280x800" which should be the physical size (in pixels) of your screen; I assume you have a flatscreen display (no CRT), so you can provide that value accordingly. Please also check this list's archive for font settings related to the new vt console subsystem. I have the same problem (font too small to read, no way back to standard 80x25 except with sc, but then, no X). One of the threads is called "Restoring sc console look and feel with vt" from september 2017, but there are others equally full of information and disappointment... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 22 15:15:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF180F0DCA3 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:15:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 134946834B for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:15:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LkxjZ-1eEiQK0QPF-00aoiO; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:15:17 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:15:16 +0100 From: Polytropon To: =?UTF-8?B?5p2O5ZGo5Y2O?= Cc: freebsd Subject: Re: how to change console font type and size ? Message-Id: <20180222161516.2de5033b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180222155921.ca0fea60.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <62509DC6-7852-4CB7-92E3-0ACC0E4D3344@icloud.com> <20180222155921.ca0fea60.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:LetHFH8YrqRhiaCX6EeFC5n/hBi8GE2nk+DFEPh1pdEbFuAIbEz AoSUbMCOF6lKnW2RHQYiYlgouKS4BowsANrOkIxnSMzQa+ap0hBhVZR/D06hBON385+/+Pp z2CBMzjgkWMylXJE6r/6XxhCc9xAbOaVdBjB41U1EoaQ2K1zFfeprf2Ctxv2oTjG6/7ibMG eSmmwvOfyEMpIx7WBKhsg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:jrY3JscuyF8=:a9g3vllICA9owyTQSSj6qK ohyjkWbZI4oh7AjlMMbCEYiiamCSp9jLbru1IEBWzjbH5vaqJW4x6xx0uCQJjE9QD27O3gMFX 2jDbFeHuTQv3HEqOM+7PFLwpjhXlN7A7u3cgSOjsl8/WUcIN0UyF7rB3FFlSIgXXOiIefG5c/ AYpAzD3/yFzipi1uhQ++qSvaJTnMK8UmtG7DFA8pxnUqPP/3ddBayqoe1+phHB0frSCNAuC/F buPdUqgvTK7rQLWKvpo1TS5O0TRIQ5C3X+AiQ6WEJXmUCGT2hv5Qrv3Nj81J9OlJXq/3anZkz f7TPMKMKffGKWcEeiDi1wIhWaoXzzD/PUQU/lo7hPfg2t4EG/XyXJl4mSkaGp1DDVBmiB0AMK QRGJG/i959t4KBd9Er3mt2hUmkqi7q5pBtTVeFENtYJhXAr1cSQJfMH/uFrQp6TBSV4/QWjKG mwtcVFQ5v3S/bz3QndYMAkR3MCQJ0EW2K5ZoJKOwA8inRW3k/H6uMlf+lyApTY1zEiG+4sydI abQRwE3PDtioqvdCMLIQ1iJ2IlM37171rF8wqOvDLK8nfP4nkFboMNRS/XzaKdp5uUxt2cPam Im7i3z7ZNlpvn2LBxsyifg5EOwUEqtFtgRXVysTT3bTp3us/AmuXB5f5EB0oYhrsM7xaIh1zN 6koG8IXTF5wekhUZCNMl/RR3LmVdZ3Lf4jbnhKGlaDLPXJnKUwv+oYZxI0FKBX1oUcaKOqOeL xO7JRRzlE5qbhjIn+ISLByyVlYFEtg5IKQwsXA4WhLEbjgo15XZKzNcGfHw= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:15:27 -0000 On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:59:21 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:48:40 +0800, 李周华 wrote: > > I'm now working on freebsd 11.1 . > > Sometimes i no need to login X, just veiw some source code > > after boot completely. > > > > On boot process after invoke 'kldload i915kms' console font > > becomes small and difficult to distinguish. > > Welcome to the "wonderful" world of sc. ;-) ^^ Of course it shoule be "world of sc->vt", as vt still has a lot of things to work on, so it can finally catch up to the amount of functionality and the ease of use that sc offered for decades. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 22 17:54:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0DCF1B58F for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:54:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chblock2-freebsd@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic306-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic306-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.189.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF4C46FCD6 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:54:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chblock2-freebsd@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: _CsvdjkVM1nApHPYVhLIULWP_9HZLXRK3kECUkoe9egtqZukt.oylY4zQkcVvqD XEfZx_5cKC4YpW55bLz.L1FpGeod745XPdkYr4kk1PSOZ0fKxzPC1alzanP9dmDdmmsTFvnA7c2W JDLoDQxsyIewqPboI0kLJlF6X3KPoeP0HZwcq2D6wxc8YT_pqzR.BQ9VVde4MuhJyRJNwb0e0bko bybVKZ.zfCKOHhR2AoVKd6AoSKtYb0K43CGoKIArf2SqrMBXQbI.EQGwp7Zt_3Uv2ogqv9uuUKp7 oDaXyPrZ68GV65Vo7qj4y4u84XvUnanN.Mde64t.rZmOoTEolgD1NmGILhejVNw4eYAHoUgrh4n. fy3bp2GkoWMFS8byit.Fju2tupoDZ4PxR_Qq8xRFhIaw401IptLEqkvdeRBiqsWCHPaoHXbmEvSw 7AZOxsjlqCRNczYCT_9KYR3WXuY4q2GHNSsRtrVWwiMzYB8nOJMrC9SoKPnoey.kqmSbfIkBZnkE 97NFBRE8d Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:53:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:43:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: <124011442.3827649.1519321430747@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: how to change console font type and size ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <124011442.3827649.1519321430747.ref@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.11419 YahooMailBasic Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/63.0.3239.108 Safari/537.36 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:54:01 -0000 I had a lot of issue with console resolution as well. Seems the vt driver = was rushed out as a stop gap for KMS support missing that one important fea= ture. In my case I went back to using the sc driver since the nVidia driver= I use does not depend on it (kern.vty=3Dsc). Otherwise you're limited to = running the console in vga mode (hw.vga.textmode=3D1) or running it in the = native monitor resolution. It leaves you with the option for giant vga mod= e font or tiny native resolution font. Font selection is limited and perso= nally I don't think any of them are any better than the stock vga font. If= there's one feature the vt team needs to get out there fast it's the abili= ty to change console resolution. P.S. sorry for the horrible format, the retarded web based email I'm using = doesn't know how to replay to an email properly. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 2/22/18, Polytropon wrote: Subject: Re: how to change console font type and size ? To: "=E6=9D=8E=E5=91=A8=E5=8D=8E" Cc: "freebsd" Date: Thursday, February 22, 2018, 7:15 AM =20 On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:59:21 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:48:40 +0800, =E6=9D=8E=E5=91=A8=E5=8D=8E wrote: > > I'm now working on freebsd 11.1 .=C2=A0=20 > > Sometimes i no need to login X, just veiw some source code > > after boot completely. > >=20 > > On boot process after invoke 'kldload i915kms'=C2=A0 console font > > becomes small and difficult to distinguish.=20 >=20 > Welcome to the "wonderful" world of sc. ;-) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^^ =20 Of course it shoule be "world of sc->vt", as vt still has a lot of things to work on, so it can finally catch up to the amount of functionality and the ease of use that sc offered for decades. :-) =20 =20 =20 --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 22 18:58:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE3EF216EE for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:58:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A43737287C for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue003 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MfVBH-1f7y6U2wpf-00P91f; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:58:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:58:41 +0100 From: Polytropon To: chblock2-freebsd@yahoo.com Cc: Craig Block via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: how to change console font type and size ? Message-Id: <20180222195841.40265a76.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <124011442.3827649.1519321430747@mail.yahoo.com> References: <124011442.3827649.1519321430747.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <124011442.3827649.1519321430747@mail.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:GwGD1A/aoBmy08kK5I0em/jZ9vp47Skqt+3XDd0nxPJ3uV6MtZN WuTj4qt88G/iMzdMnZsMFqOlAClSab1unOTjkeIS3l0Jw4nY5Yqo4ViLHfzcNPAHLFH+Qy7 pqw1ML9v2sCFsvVX+QXZ6hf305grWh/+s9sR2fNkbDkiHG8LLmsgn/NppFqg0u8ec2/GpQP e0VJpckOaO7glngOs0CQA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Z5oUC47cdow=:oSpOhK6qnHuny0hrSskvMn QdQsGwKo9TsDEO/M95OTHf7xMRs1WSVuoAZ7/GjP3nNj/UdpTfqAICRekK99iFcZsGNbCAerU 8U9GDO+xA0LyxnNAWAd1GcPxF2GcpBD6SIpDNWm9XSMFgUUYzX0KiJZkFIK6fO5+HKAgx4Nal ye/5V8hYiqQeIR3WKsM2c7k/avEnWRQN3UFy+A0v/XlitABEgZRkRjiBEIILaXfck6NEqc/kB Ormf8wIeYdXwMaegFuetFauFkVS6+VFUc/VStGemNlfOSQl/ocZieQ2M8PeUQjMCm3ZGT0q++ tXU6FodYmNrc5noOqI39Lzss3uVjjv7Svf41bB099NAFEVfVUoyi7ne0Gu5HTrcjt/uhw7Ypk tDKF8zQmdLoQGj/hz0Xd2joa1j53zokIj6olPM+KK99D9M/GqRG9j5rXm5nm/ZadoY7WyPlgQ YJu5mhzbLakGYJvN1CL/d4SY8s7nd1vnJ0WrjGHYcPmCt9P8/EZtcGGbJ4XBMM2V5VmMda3NT pvZAXMMFe2edZsM1HpMrbsBNcwoDNY+2/E+S6jA0tX4QjeT35BTBQ8Pr8IEhZEijWg8aKfbtf cC1zaPIEIhlmtFJ4MzkW5890+/gukJa9JGrQ0FsjtdL7x7ucexBSGo0PBqYrEbBR1RXaS8heO ctCoqgXtsyMcZIJPrgYqfPnrezwcfmESHsV+TOHc8r5kjoUrVbk/570ebhKZ/ojaA+G4Cx9i+ 6YGGXRzIWButfPdLvCcHz/gG7pK5a4oMYhAPoVlqMCBQAmDbEAmZhQcEsbE= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:58:51 -0000 On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:43:50 +0000 (UTC), Craig Block via freebsd-questions= wrote: > I had a lot of issue with console resolution as well. Seems > the vt driver was rushed out as a stop gap for KMS support > missing that one important feature. Yes, I think this is the main problem within vt today. There is another limitation in vt: It cannot display special characters when $TERM isn't UTF-8. For example, if it's set to western Europe ISO-8859-1 (standard here in Germany), the german umlauts =F6 =E4 =FC =D6 =C4 =DC and the Eszett =DF won't work. In UTF-8 mode, they work (but note it's still a different character - or characters, as UTF-9 uses 2 bytes for what ISO-8859-1 only needs 1 byte). > In my case I went back to using the sc driver since the nVidia > driver I use does not depend on it (kern.vty=3Dsc). Interesting aspect! I did assume that _all_ X support depends on KMS, which in turn depends on vt. > Otherwise you're limited to running the console in vga mode > (hw.vga.textmode=3D1) or running it in the native monitor > resolution. Exactly that is the most annoying thing: You cannot set a "size in characters" (like 80x25 or 132x43), it all depends on the native resolution (screen size and amount of pixels) of your display. This becomes even more complicated when you consider a CRT: It has a physical size, but no pixels, so it could be anything from 320x200 to 1400x1200. I also tried hw.vga.textmode=3D1, but that didn't even work (on FreeBSD 10). > It leaves you with the option for giant vga mode font > or tiny native resolution font. Font selection is > limited and personally I don't think any of them are > any better than the stock vga font. If I remember correctly, that stock font comes from the GPU itself. This is the font you'll usually see when in the CMOS setup or FreeBSD booting (80x25 default font). I'd give further arms and legs to have _that_ font (or an equivalent that looks the same) together with the ability to run X. > If there's one feature the vt team needs to get out > there fast it's the ability to change console resolution. In columns x lines, if possible. :-) > P.S. sorry for the horrible format, the retarded web > based email I'm using doesn't know how to replay to an > email properly. I tried to fix this a bit. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 22 21:30:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A145F0286B for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 252F97A329 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:30:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80307624E9 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:30:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HajrZZ01H16n for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3EA0062499 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:29:58 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:29:58 -0500 Subject: Resetting zfs snapshots From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:30:10 -0000 I am in the process of setting up a new FreeBSD server which involves transferring a large amount of data onto. The system was installed with root zfs and snapshots were initialised immediately. Several iterations of test data transfer and deletes has now resulted in snapshots exceeding 64 Gb. I wish to effectively restart/rebase snapshots following the final transfer and eliminate all previous ones. What is the safest way to do this? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 22 22:35:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73848F0778E for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:35:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x232.google.com (mail-vk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 044DC7CC69 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:35:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x232.google.com with SMTP id z190so4165428vkg.1 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:35:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=tIsMRIx3agJj6j97fS6jq4zsPxXe8lFFARPJUquv4zc=; b=kaa+tN53y/SOkH4La1ZJTErY3IuAWEirVeIqDXweHV4mHmkYMy8USzYXRQ00vf6DY/ wyEgk8fpgqVDteDRHM+FdPAXvuVQaBVfv9qgy0B2DfiwLmhBvS0C+Ngj0uv6IxThBm3V OoY5dNp+pjxL9HlGZHn5C9YMwnA3sJQ98LjvzYyIU8CB8FKB5G0c8Kz7bE1jGWTHq+kC ZWdzOSV6i2mF/IS103gqWezJIq434swZdTrN6lHAYR1Fzzi7/cVwq/NZBlAvfGmZZbg4 FrRGmol6vik7fHWrRObbkrt95P/jKG8jsU+90spxOEhURaDkZ5hTf+h8SOR9Pn6OB7cs 37cA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=tIsMRIx3agJj6j97fS6jq4zsPxXe8lFFARPJUquv4zc=; b=Efvf9qkFMGogaMVxSl11HlWknfTKhmpNWFejtVfOOIQqW1dFKGKi7Cs6SinMG4gYtu 2SOl4dkpDXMeAtrAKwzOiTddyLG2An7nfva2/rZMCOePV9uTRFBXQ+YdA9XWzw4/K8TG O5Xb4U4/4T0hO69Tt3FnoeTyohWZozVzIC8JTq8wihanX9qz1gz0amxHwM8QoZZ6At+f CfSFFKfUqv3RAWQvI8wFgv2iTR77tjvWcOHx20LBdjl8f9sxvGBGXlkkJaHpDsN7xLbq cNRR5pBIlEV50gCK5vSJHmxH9WahG08p/AO9EOnRpc7k2AH7WywcTHBpYdLkWPaVML4b LRgA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPDbUBQxPub6gpcBeKDqv9I9MCObIvWeFgoLQIe8Ox1AT/iLrIT7 2Pf6acah1zip3MZfUsDqXevBajrPV2Z97uXYBig= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227SCwA7pILvPnXAzIySsdU231kPZc64DeDs/hohbRgzWZOcPepMKErxO2kET1zqJFWTg4SNfncBjUTfT2tbsD0= X-Received: by 10.31.192.80 with SMTP id q77mr6231159vkf.7.1519338904442; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:35:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.159.60.11 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:35:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20180222134439.GA3888@aurora.oekb.co.at> References: <20180222134439.GA3888@aurora.oekb.co.at> From: Rick Miller Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:35:04 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: HP Proliant DL385 Gen10 refuses to boot FreeBSD 11 To: Ewald Jenisch Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:35:05 -0000 On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 8:44 AM, Ewald Jenisch wrote: > Hi, > > Got a new HP Proliant DL385 Gen10 Server and wanted to install > FreeBSD. Starting from FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-amd64-bootonly.iso mounted > via the iLo virtual CD device the system started with the usual > install boot, but then suddenly crashed and rebooted the whole system > - boot loop basically. > > I started playing around in the BIOS of the System trying UEFI > vs. legacy BIOS, as well a bunch of other parameters but to no extent: > the system just crashes when upon booting from the installation media :-( > > To cross check I tried to boot a Linux installation media (Ubuntu > Server 16.04) and the server booted from the Linux ISO without any > problem. So I'm pretty sure it's something FreeBSD related. > > My questions: > > o) Anybody else out there seen a problem like this on a HP DL385 Gen10? > > o) Any cure against it? > You'd do well by making sure the RAID controller is supported by FreeBSD. Some time in the last 6 months or so, I heard this generation was introducing a new RAID controller that would require a new driver. If it does, indeed, have a new RAID controller it could likely be your problem. -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 22 23:00:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B20F0A714 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:00:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dch@skunkwerks.at) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B4147DC38 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dch@skunkwerks.at) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CC820EFF; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from web6 ([10.202.2.216]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:00:33 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=skunkwerks.at; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=iJp9MCL9gon1TRJ5/x6z8Qf7zHMfH EsOxSoT0CzurVo=; b=E1tYCTRibW3D+xozrClBY94UDr7VBO7x7E9UB/55re36n cnVLJJuX7kJUwOP2jLEjANEj2DkpJ4oHucmVjTrYGSpuqc+9OctvyKdSIDmbYrqf 1iP8+hJbrf5iZYUuUVOTr5sGtDLIgO7dWAMXBmUoqeeDUCSOCRRYHbj233TvpeKP XFkvOjxlJ3uVpTxKg/92dWUnwJmrYC6Z1J8h69zXLfx66pcAO2IcRFu3T2jLsQ+e lClmGU0x95r4R3btSKJtnEDhIYaDMGLF9pGrE4941hqRxp2jkS38qQeNf+pcY2XZ X950K0OshCvd/Vg/OrHksVqmGSHFrAhzA1e7p+Q8Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=iJp9MC L9gon1TRJ5/x6z8Qf7zHMfHEsOxSoT0CzurVo=; b=EyQxDGQWgfFWFE5EfdoEHJ ww34IEMmjUJbwZIUF4HE8JTg31hX+u7FRkpg28hiACUz8Yh955OtikZPFr6yZ9ot ce33M/+tV2urc9U0WOk4fOGvACbjGVpIvDl6LkaT24jbXjGg6Ep7RA+jtU1cevol 4Pk9YWImOiFLYvxINmWtsJzlakurJmghaeg3FPbpEFNMeaAhvmz5k9HNObIPyGo4 kSRblKw+5CSv9D3VzphXK5/vtdPd1p647yocyuGQlSC9ehc10f1nt1lwvUySlQ5q JcOzg/Mq/caNkZlouy0uMqOB2dwaqu6UpJuloUHpLWrnhkLKwRX9gFEoqQwDuSNw == X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id A8E314133; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:00:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1519340433.3372351.1280283944.09E847B7@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Dave Cottlehuber To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-efbb3405 Subject: Re: Resetting zfs snapshots References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 00:00:33 +0100 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:00:36 -0000 On Thu, 22 Feb 2018, at 22:29, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > I am in the process of setting up a new FreeBSD server which involves > transferring a large amount of data onto. The system was installed > with root zfs and snapshots were initialised immediately. > > Several iterations of test data transfer and deletes has now resulted > in snapshots exceeding 64 Gb. I wish to effectively restart/rebase > snapshots following the final transfer and eliminate all previous > ones. > > What is the safest way to do this? -read the manpage for `zfs destroy` carefully ;-) and make a backup. start off using: zfs destroy -vn zroot/path/to/dataset@first-snapshot%last-snapshot the -n ensures it only displays what it *would* do, but actually makes no changes. the @first%last is an inclusive range so the destruction would include: - first - last - everything in between You may want -r which does this same range destruction for all child datasets. If your goal is to *recursively* nuke all snapshots prior to "now" then you can: # make a snapshot right now that will be destroyed in the inclusive range zfs snapshot -r zroot@before # this snapshot will live on in infamy long after its comrades are gone zfs snapshot -r zroot@now # use the inclusive range to trash all preceding snapshots zfs destroy -vrn zroot@%before # at this point a backup is a really good idea zfs send -LevR zroot@now > somewhere/with/space I highly recommend Jude + Lucas' zfs books, well worth every penny. Also, if you're not using boot environments, start now. they are the best thing since zfs. You have a good opportunity to test these out before your system is live. [1]: sysutils/beadm-devel [2]: http://www.callfortesting.org/bhyve-boot-environments/ A+ Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 23 01:19:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B9FF166EE for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 01:19:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EE7B8353E for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 01:19:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: how to change console font type and size ? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:19:04 -0700 References: <124011442.3827649.1519321430747.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <124011442.3827649.1519321430747@mail.yahoo.com> To: Freebsd Questions In-Reply-To: <124011442.3827649.1519321430747@mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4B7D6A7C-0122-4CD9-9888-28DA4218DA8A@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.11) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 01:19:12 -0000 On 2018-02-22 (10:43 MST), Craig Block via freebsd-questions = wrote: >=20 > In my case I went back to using the sc driver This seems the only rational choice for the majority of FreeBSD installs = where a GUI is never loaded. Really, vt should only be the default if the system is setup to run a = desktop, as for console use it's a disaster. --=20 Stomach in! Chest out! on your marks! get set! GO! Now, now that you're free, what are you gonna be? Who are you gonna see? And where, where will you go, and how will you know you didn't get it all wrong? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 23 03:32:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B32F22AEE for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x229.google.com (mail-io0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 033CD6931D for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x229.google.com with SMTP id z6so8346833iob.11 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:32:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MQjumstxnNnqeNoicTLB0OXpoFB+ZtSuJFzaoKkLopE=; b=DLvck6xeZSMuUpN5Zu0qXBAgFf+LCbcuK+BEGfBOX4CADjl3QvC8dLAXvjMqwSVgS3 rcXNeBCcMShAcM/UbKzVpmJXFIqzq7b2OLC4EW2gMSKyDujzP31KozmoGckvDetZkyGi Ce5EEW7ICc3Lab4LqQmVJkuFGnGN+sFlMoJWCTSau+I51xFhCd+RmBeb/UafrP3I8AOd HkobejVGCCw4xBLZlKJ9ShmfghaOHk0SLjRXcOSw/bWcoNNvE/6R0YJFZzN2sOrCUxUA W5dw2yB2abJrMIvWuXKTS1Ws/kKCXyxWv0ew6cfHbNgTQwc9DDYRhAnSLBQ+/nFgVls2 YvBA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MQjumstxnNnqeNoicTLB0OXpoFB+ZtSuJFzaoKkLopE=; b=X/ZNVd1dI5Ai0o+CeL1vpyAhjlAGsAkE9D5rUAmmBey3pbzleujaHJ/gY/t/Q1E27e sEzDvPEzFgN8UTCz118lgFua02BHhaiRHldOxWHBZ4qHxhmM8FnMtIlugoJvhemL5fxh WQyjcRbCB02MQ/onba61658FKfYJia2TP/RMEt+wBfkpss1U7ZD0o6tcL3WNdixZ/3m9 mt+NcM8y2wVBx41NaabOeuYpgm+/Nv7NiqJZkkq1Y9Z39e6G+EMBrkUP1veZHMO9y5WA 88gFMkYXqe8pxlY5kJGuO3xkucVEf5LQHH5OVMSQi6EAMjWXi7jju4akHq0cd52zIH5Z lyXA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPB+7LNyal2AiregYfew2bFZUTyuDqNurZEafZyyY3rTgMIR87cJ PxxovFbQFz+HW64GAx+12CcAyP/GkS9ImgHX88I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELsh2LfaZxoOjTdLktjYXi0hnofrV/JxCN9u6rbedOkR1Hn0JsVbJAP5edprNayo/JOYOg60UutJMf0VSk6D++4= X-Received: by 10.107.9.226 with SMTP id 95mr259398ioj.111.1519356758227; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:32:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.151.151 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:32:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B7D6A7C-0122-4CD9-9888-28DA4218DA8A@kreme.com> References: <124011442.3827649.1519321430747.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <124011442.3827649.1519321430747@mail.yahoo.com> <4B7D6A7C-0122-4CD9-9888-28DA4218DA8A@kreme.com> From: Adam Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:32:37 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how to change console font type and size ? To: "@lbutlr" Cc: Freebsd Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:32:39 -0000 On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM, @lbutlr wrote: > On 2018-02-22 (10:43 MST), Craig Block via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > In my case I went back to using the sc driver > > This seems the only rational choice for the majority of FreeBSD installs > where a GUI is never loaded. > > Really, vt should only be the default if the system is setup to run a > desktop, as for console use it's a disaster. > Works no worse than sc for my console usage, I think it's great. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 23 05:18:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF9DF29390 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 05:18:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A8BC6D002 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 05:18:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Subject: Re: how to change console font type and size ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:18:41 -0700 X-Random-Signature: Apple Broke Applescrip[t access to signatures, random sigs now powered by Keyboard Maestro Pro X-Face: )^b5"R:T7U>9~:PEn3YkzMfW*[b1qKeU.fP9C8~8HpU9}lA&6`bH1 Message-Id: <2AA033C2-F2BF-4DBA-89CC-B4CC2D23F3F3@kreme.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <124011442.3827649.1519321430747.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <124011442.3827649.1519321430747@mail.yahoo.com> <4B7D6A7C-0122-4CD9-9888-28DA4218DA8A@kreme.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.9) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 05:18:43 -0000 On 22 Feb 2018, at 20:32, Adam wrote: > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM, @lbutlr wrote: >=20 >> On 2018-02-22 (10:43 MST), Craig Block via freebsd-questions < >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: >>>=20 >>> In my case I went back to using the sc driver >>=20 >> This seems the only rational choice for the majority of FreeBSD = installs >> where a GUI is never loaded. >>=20 >> Really, vt should only be the default if the system is setup to run a >> desktop, as for console use it's a disaster. >=20 > Works no worse than sc for my console usage, I think it's great. After much fighting I was never able to get the vt to display anything = but 80char x 24char console on a 20=E2=80=9D LCD screen. --=20 Strange things are afoot at the Circle K From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 23 07:52:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4778F03F6D for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 637F071BD7 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1519372348; x=1521964348; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=ELIvecefoGSni8tHk2yJ1AFCxsTeanhc+YG3kgEqYJc=; b=svJuakuPISaZEsvkGOev25pKCwy0T8aTnDyhc9l0etH4h6zM8PNmBfyRH8EN9JvcA4mFNOZpqLqrpvubXsnY87silGEBPlb4kPWkImXgzTW/+bAS3CClflTBVjWYBKLxnwTvrwxuscvhHKGhh6MaYNCp51TEuaFk5RdvxdwyNco= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi45MjAwMDAwMDE1YTQ0NC5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r4.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r4.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [52.5.202.82]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 23 Feb 2018 02:52:14 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r4.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 23 Feb 2018 02:52:11 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ep89J-000JUP-RX; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:52:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:52:09 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Subject: Re: Resetting zfs snapshots Message-Id: <20180223075209.5dd437a91cd3429b3604de0d@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:52:27 -0000 On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:29:58 -0500 "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" wrote: > I am in the process of setting up a new FreeBSD server which involves > transferring a large amount of data onto. The system was installed > with root zfs and snapshots were initialised immediately. > > Several iterations of test data transfer and deletes has now resulted > in snapshots exceeding 64 Gb. I wish to effectively restart/rebase > snapshots following the final transfer and eliminate all previous > ones. I use this to delete all snapshots when I want to clean them up. zfs list -H -o name -t snapshot | xargs -n1 zfs destroy -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 23 12:45:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D078F1F0F0 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from as@cmplx.uk) Received: from jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (jail0199.vps.exonetric.net [IPv6:2a02:1658:1::199:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "jail0199.vps.exonetric.net", Issuer "jail0199.vps.exonetric.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C648F7DBC7 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from as@cmplx.uk) Received: from jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (jail0199.vps.exonetric.net [178.250.76.108]) by jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w1NCjXXd037580 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:45:33 GMT (envelope-from as@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net) Received: (from as@localhost) by jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w1NCjXM4037579 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:45:33 GMT (envelope-from as) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:45:33 GMT From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201802231245.w1NCjXM4037579@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: https slower than svn+ssh? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:45:36 -0000 SourceForge says: "Access over https will not perform as well as svn+ssh, so it should only be used if access using svn+ssh is problematic" https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/svn/#readwrite-access-via-https I wonder if this applies only to SourceForge, or is a known fact for any svn connection. Thanks Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 23 14:11:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CE2F258D0 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:11:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp208.alice.it (smtp208.alice.it [82.57.200.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2AF8214C for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:11:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (87.18.51.42) by smtp208.alice.it (8.6.060.28) id 5A88C32E0191B66C for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:11:27 +0100 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w1NEBQIF039472 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:11:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu From: Andrea Venturoli Subject: 11.1/amd64 hangs on boot To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <854f2a4e-1264-7c7f-60c4-7f65efa290f7@netfence.it> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:11:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:11:32 -0000 Hello. I've had this machine for eons and it went through almost every FreeBSD version in the last years without a hitch. After upgrading to 11.1, however, it will often (not always) hang on boot. Some extract from dmesg (I think these are the relevant parts): > ... > FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p6 #1 r327994M: Mon Jan 15 09:50:57 CET 2018 > root@alamar.ventu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ALAMAR amd64 > FreeBSD clang version 4.0.0 (tags/RELEASE_400/final 297347) (based on LLVM 4.0.0) > ... > ahci0: port 0xa000-0xa007,0x9000-0x9003,0x8000-0x8007,0x7000-0x7003,0x6000-0x600f mem 0xfe6ffc00-0xfe6fffff irq 22 at device 17.0 on pci0 > ahci0: AHCI v1.10 with 6 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported > ahci0: quirks=0x22000 > ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 > ahcich1: at channel 1 on ahci0 > ahcich2: at channel 2 on ahci0 > ahcich3: at channel 3 on ahci0 > ahcich4: at channel 4 on ahci0 > ahcich5: at channel 5 on ahci0 > ohci0: mem 0xfe6fe000-0xfe6fefff irq 16 at device 18.0 on pci0 > usbus0 on ohci0 > usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 > ohci1: mem 0xfe6fd000-0xfe6fdfff irq 16 at device 18.1 on pci0 > usbus1 on ohci1 > usbus1: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 > ehci0: mem 0xfe6ff800-0xfe6ff8ff irq 17 at device 18.2 on pci0 > usbus2: EHCI version 1.0 > usbus2 on ehci0 > usbus2: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 > ohci2: mem 0xfe6fc000-0xfe6fcfff irq 18 at device 19.0 on pci0 > usbus3 on ohci2 > usbus3: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 > ohci3: mem 0xfe6f7000-0xfe6f7fff irq 18 at device 19.1 on pci0 > usbus4 on ohci3 > usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 > ehci1: mem 0xfe6ff400-0xfe6ff4ff irq 19 at device 19.2 on pci0 > usbus5: EHCI version 1.0 > usbus5 on ehci1 > usbus5: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 > atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xff00-0xff0f at device 20.1 on pci0 > ata1: at channel 1 on atapci0 > ... > ahd0: port 0xe800-0xe8ff,0xe400-0xe4ff mem 0xfebfe000-0xfebfffff irq 20 at device 5.0 on pci3 > aic7902: Ultra320 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, PCI 33 or 66MHz, 512 SCBs > ahd1: port 0xe000-0xe0ff,0xd800-0xd8ff mem 0xfebfc000-0xfebfdfff irq 21 at device 5.1 on pci3 > aic7902: Ultra320 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, PCI 33 or 66MHz, 512 SCBs > ... > ugen4.1: at usbus4 > ugen1.1: at usbus1 > ugen0.1: at usbus0 > ugen6.1: at usbus6 > uhub0: on usbus4 > uhub1: on usbus1 > uhub2: on usbus6 > uhub3: ugen3.1: at usbus3 > on usbus0 > uhub4: on usbus3 > ugen5.1: at usbus5 > ugen2.1: at usbus2 > uhub5: on usbus5 > uhub6: on usbus2 > uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered > uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered > uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered > uhub3: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered > uhub4: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered > uhub5: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered > uhub6: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered > ... > ugen5.2: at usbus5 > umass0 on uhub5 > umass0: on usbus5 > umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x4001 > umass0:9:0: Attached to scbus9 > ... > da1 at ahd1 bus 0 scbus8 target 0 lun 0 > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > da1: Serial Number V5X9S3AA0051P65D0441 > da1: 320.000MB/s transfers (160.000MHz DT, offset 80, 16bit) > da1: Command Queueing enabled > da1: 140205MB (287140277 512 byte sectors) > da0 at ahd0 bus 0 scbus7 target 4 lun 0 > da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da0: 3.300MB/s transfers > da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present > da2 at ahd1 bus 0 scbus8 target 2 lun 0 > da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > da2: Serial Number V5XABRAA0051P65L0026 > da2: 320.000MB/s transfers (160.000MHz DT, offset 80, 16bit) > da2: Command Queueing enabled > da2: 140205MB (287140277 512 byte sectors) > cd0 at ahcich2 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 > cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI device > cd0: Serial Number K9HE8TD3540 > cd0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA 1.x, UDMA5, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 8192bytes) > cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray closed > cd1 at ata1 bus 0 scbus6 target 0 lun 0 > cd1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI device > cd1: 66.700MB/s transfers (UDMA4, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 65534bytes) > cd1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present > da3 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus9 target 0 lun 0 > da3: Removable Direct Access SCSI device > da3: Serial Number 058F312D81B > da3: 40.000MB/s transfers > da3: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present > da3: quirks=0x2 > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/mirror/gm1a [rw]... > da4 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus9 target 0 lun 1 > da4: Removable Direct Access SCSI device > da4: Serial Number 058F312D81B > da4: 40.000MB/s transfers > da4: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present > da4: quirks=0x2 > da5 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus9 target 0 lun 2 > da5: Removable Direct Access SCSI device > da5: Serial Number 058F312D81B > da5: 40.000MB/s transfers > da5: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present > da5: quirks=0x2 > da6 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus9 target 0 lun 3 > da6: Removable Direct Access SCSI device > da6: Serial Number 058F312D81B > da6: 40.000MB/s transfers > da6: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present > da6: quirks=0x2 The last part is the most relevant: starting from "da1:" onwards, the order of appearance of daX and cdX is not always the same. Often, after a few of daX and/or cdX are output, the machine hangs, the SCSI controller light staying on: sometimes it will spontaneusly reboot after several seconds, sometimes I'll have to press the reset button. There's no rules to how many times I have to try booting every morning: some days it starts right the first time, some days I have to reboot several times until it gets it right and goes ahead. While it might be an hardware problem (being the box quite old), the fact that it started doing this after a 10.3->11.1 upgrade is suspicious. Is there a known race-condition/LOR/whatever? Is there a way to get better info (e.g. some option to put in the kernel config or in /boot/loader.conf)? Should I enable DDB, INVARIANTS, WITNESS & co.? I'd like to avoid breaking performance, but I'll do if it's the only way. bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 23 14:32:48 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56A9F26F54 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5172F82F94 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 8EE2333C38; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:32:39 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Anton Shterenlikht Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: https slower than svn+ssh? References: <201802231245.w1NCjXM4037579@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:32:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: <201802231245.w1NCjXM4037579@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> (Anton Shterenlikht's message of "Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:45:33 GMT") Message-ID: <44a7vz4vzs.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:32:48 -0000 Anton Shterenlikht writes: > SourceForge says: > > "Access over https will not perform as well as svn+ssh, > so it should only be used if access using svn+ssh is problematic" > > https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/svn/#readwrite-access-via-https > > I wonder if this applies only to SourceForge, > or is a known fact for any svn connection. The latter. If you read the subversion documentation, you will find a listing of the tradeoffs between the different access methods available. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 23 15:22:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FE4F2A642 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:22:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCF368613F for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:22:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue104 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MGyyA-1eu8zU3ide-00Do2S; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:21:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:21:57 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "@lbutlr" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to change console font type and size ? Message-Id: <20180223162157.58a1e2b0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <2AA033C2-F2BF-4DBA-89CC-B4CC2D23F3F3@kreme.com> References: <124011442.3827649.1519321430747.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <124011442.3827649.1519321430747@mail.yahoo.com> <4B7D6A7C-0122-4CD9-9888-28DA4218DA8A@kreme.com> <2AA033C2-F2BF-4DBA-89CC-B4CC2D23F3F3@kreme.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:5g4/wZa+mJR8eEa2AtlHgN6zmRe2DtteOyQs0vXj/4XBrzibPNY yLsn3YbckhRpIroINZLbHMtaNsTXZMA9uWGOonl7Fx6xM+PsQVs6a6SBdzY1kjqWhH3uE0k oAFeUys0jtvlvwzU2cyGAexBJ2P7ie5h2N5V7UlHpHO17rpq1EUVr7hMG4Sigz1hkM5kWHs 4Z0VedwvitDNGY9Qx9ffg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:KpfgrVx9ks4=:MaDX1Ev5Cfw7zk9S929MS8 vgRSGHxiYMMqClhz9HIwXT5UfvT4C0dHhwYeN5rnraq1wH7IrQKvwY3lgPXoi/aPVSITURKJI vscdEHZkr9xte9KFjznmaUFPDW6e9JSIQxdwBbvYmDxwvrD7MvubyaOHgQrKrXYZHbVtc9dDS JG7pG3QclpFiKULzYR+R8VRbuSxHCSWyMYHdhte8AmY5z7XrL9bL9x29OGO+xjAb7C0vTMidb YlDr+1DcB8va8qFrM312nFEg9KKU2gtgsvM2dRngcP7mkBR3hdwgVGijKKRvPjYRwAj/FSZH2 HAP8WkR7mcRl2yVtm98oAusZFSqKe2mfE5YCIUAdYMbVLBlqGnAP47Q+sj3OI1CztTis3mxfd FpsY3EZHQeE7NwdcGfAhvChfiHPl1YMYeALf17Fs4qv0mIFzguIN+vJ0bZ6f686t3tY+TsdYy QGdEuSgC9CCa4CFzxGB5sD03swPBRDQ0MXhXmOkfO2+ANmHWSZv+xBbaflWn2jt+8prmZSpW0 5H3e09NYKHmgnJnxWV4xXG1XtFLFbRFItJp8/UdUAfWAhf8Svd4SQAAaxu4qEV/YO4gnCTV8L NB+/h/xkpKdmmJBEx/yOZutzMthXcaq3iTFecGKHY3w/lcmLEtz8X1azaOE+q8XWAIuTqMkMM ydGyVYKIcUC20BOzo2VUqJNZ8bDfTdctBAYvIlPOEB6timeOXlZgs7bd4OkVKznQdnLXBsOdu IuSZv1VgBWuBq0JFWg09Ba8TFHrrRLfUlrGLZ6YbDteJnGUMBdQpZRq6TzM= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:22:12 -0000 On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:18:41 -0700, @lbutlr wrote: > On 22 Feb 2018, at 20:32, Adam wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM, @lbutlr wrote: > > > >> On 2018-02-22 (10:43 MST), Craig Block via freebsd-questions < > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> In my case I went back to using the sc driver > >> > >> This seems the only rational choice for the majority of FreeBSD installs > >> where a GUI is never loaded. > >> > >> Really, vt should only be the default if the system is setup to run a > >> desktop, as for console use it's a disaster. > > > > Works no worse than sc for my console usage, I think it's great. > > After much fighting I was never able to get the vt to display > anything but 80char x 24char console on a 20” LCD screen. I wish I could get _that_ mode back! On a 21" CRT (attached to a laptop whose screen backlight died), I get lots of modes, but none is readable... :-( -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 23 21:52:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577D8F23597 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 21:52:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00CF97AB05 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 21:52:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: how to change console font type and size ? Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:52:33 -0700 References: <124011442.3827649.1519321430747.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <124011442.3827649.1519321430747@mail.yahoo.com> <4B7D6A7C-0122-4CD9-9888-28DA4218DA8A@kreme.com> <2AA033C2-F2BF-4DBA-89CC-B4CC2D23F3F3@kreme.com> <20180223162157.58a1e2b0.freebsd@edvax.de> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20180223162157.58a1e2b0.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-Id: <4198DB75-54D8-43B9-95E4-44E206D40675@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.11) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 21:52:36 -0000 On 2018-02-23 (08:21 MST), Polytropon wrote: > > I wish I could get _that_ mode back! On a 21" CRT (attached to > a laptop whose screen backlight died), I get lots of modes, but > none is readable... :-( Ah, well, CRTs are different. Have you reverted to sc instead of trying to wrestle with vt? -- Bart, don't use the Touch of Death on your sister. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 23 22:20:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB754F2566A for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:20:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 753E47BC4F for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:20:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from localhost.nl2k.ab.ca ([127.0.0.1]:23874 helo=doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1epLgo-000P9S-5U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:19:39 -0700 Received: (from doctor@localhost) by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w1NMJboS096685 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:19:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:19:37 -0700 From: The Doctor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Crash dumps Message-ID: <20180223221937.GB93367@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:20:07 -0000 Where do I report carsh dumps to? -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar. -Helen Keller From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 23 22:33:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946C6F264B7 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:33:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from hz.citrin.ru (hz.citrin.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:d16:10c3::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 343E57C657 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:33:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from citrin+bsd@citrin.ru) Received: from x220.lan (unknown [IPv6:2601:18a:c680:9888:39cb:b5b7:e978:5880]) by hz.citrin.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E9BB2EA005 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Crash dumps To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180223221937.GB93367@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> From: Anton Yuzhaninov Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:33:25 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180223221937.GB93367@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=citrin.ru; s=s0; t=1519425207; bh=kSlpir1iTWv2yhUHnPM9usPHUQ/FEJqfAieuZwTNycE=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FWgfiZ0afxQhxxfZE5ZloPKUO2a9jwWmNAkX+bLhzr7cMIcCas+Y5oOl4dLRuE/XGNkuJiXFys0+lr2920xsuwF+D5Y1g8BTDfFbYcGMW1ijUDa5u13nDSO9C2c86HRRXRujT8uqr/+Uaz1XodvK3cEMryHO0lmgBW2yjuKn8a4= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:33:30 -0000 On 02/23/18 17:19, The Doctor wrote: > Where do I report carsh dumps to? You can report it via bugzilla: https://bugs.freebsd.org/ But please consider reading this article first: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 23 23:00:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE03DF2817D for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 23:00:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F3277DDB5 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 23:00:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.213.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue003 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LcCDx-1eQEC622Vh-00jVk1; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 00:00:35 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 00:00:34 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "@lbutlr" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to change console font type and size ? Message-Id: <20180224000034.7d85af65.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4198DB75-54D8-43B9-95E4-44E206D40675@kreme.com> References: <124011442.3827649.1519321430747.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <124011442.3827649.1519321430747@mail.yahoo.com> <4B7D6A7C-0122-4CD9-9888-28DA4218DA8A@kreme.com> <2AA033C2-F2BF-4DBA-89CC-B4CC2D23F3F3@kreme.com> <20180223162157.58a1e2b0.freebsd@edvax.de> <4198DB75-54D8-43B9-95E4-44E206D40675@kreme.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:4a8JqzLQQq57RuDymiNd5tH5nDmodwoSVboksTlRiyfgL85swAl SKDfLu81ytXl+QfThOlvr+eMaxIY8ay/GrZr4we+mLJDd2O75/nW4lI4j6RNdUubzbTbBuy CcDRWT2hfCt/uk68bzP9h1ZfM8rDzsd9ZMSxH4UVtxALHdJruxTtCpLsowx7zNYCBEXJJA7 9GF6Xwx64Cl8XVG3dx00A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:skn9MRe9V2c=:qq+3vx2hyiZ2GHC2SKBpjY 4onI6ox121eHGPPWEu6JZniaJN6FBYOpqTSMGE3O0TMEjNoYukCHSfBdyvzJ2Qa9h0j91ffbS hxVEDs6OsOOQ6u7gY0dkjtfvwxhexgp7gPO9TZKn8QDimTt/rFYq6UBBi/BNuFjX1pSBgJoFU bGqiAGzylSsRlzQDB/ict5AJ7XrK2IEu1TmoaDaqcbouolbh5WF/0Gi0v2HAHAp0zgcyAA2IO IlU9YtsdDTF1FLhAa7sIuzELTz+wzCmnLGkeJkTdblwNiTVtrLbeoTdh0QM0Pwnj7Oa+NidAS jQhhrBDTHL0q0zG3sBmy7tz6DhsmCVSc/fllTjn1jXdpj6H18l5vskNExBZXq3SnzbKAc90YP YishOAtesL1HQhPyS0CyjgbRJ7PViLzFQ/WPsFLpe8Lx1hY8LeEACngnIx+isuZtNOUc3ZhOr Ef/WDCObXKUNNkSj22B8qGquSoRUhVChcLneLlhpia7cqM30Pkbbh7pGYPW7Mamqaxum2WHwF CE9BGS9G8GZTERPWNQgw71/4+dZOm1/pXSE5RdeEEKEkuL/zX3C+VSKrKn8WRumT05p4AeLtz Ssc/yUIOzc/sJ/MIA+K2RX99cPfwfwoMahS5PexIRxX4bm+Pywi8DgEWz0gxRbt3JDms3Kb/H tS2L8USBcv9j3fwt+OOicz8AtU4NRBwc1Kn+0xQbFN2RqedPt4NueWPgqqhbEAsMCB4CQSrN3 gBJ0OOBmVop591DhYMyOm6eA3zW2fWNtOuiYKsPaaW80H5m39B3wEZSCAv8= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 23:00:58 -0000 On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:52:33 -0700, @lbutlr wrote: > On 2018-02-23 (08:21 MST), Polytropon wrote: > > > > I wish I could get _that_ mode back! On a 21" CRT (attached to > > a laptop whose screen backlight died), I get lots of modes, but > > none is readable... :-( > > > Ah, well, CRTs are different. > > Have you reverted to sc instead of trying to wrestle with vt? When I select sc instead, text mode works as intended, but then, I cannot use X (as X requires both vt and i915kms modules). :-( -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 24 04:14:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA7DF123C1 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from out1-5.antispamcloud.com (out1-5.antispamcloud.com [185.201.16.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60BB86BFA9 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from [153.92.8.106] (helo=srv31.niagahoster.com) by mx6.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1epRE4-0001nj-Od; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 05:14:22 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sumeritec.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=CG+B7DRn5mQmShLedVJpOcUIJN5IX/FEikjm24HQ7Nw=; b=AGx778QQcalaalmbkzTBMtXpD9 G+E1sB1KCGqHk5Kejk7VSCk4cP6EXFNkwA65pYFQs7hwKv+VQI+E1XPQlDPcOHs4U6mm0DHEQgrOe lcAvgvgUgRxHUjMv3F2bdem1HRfUkl/wyGu9Ms3qR4DvyHKJCHt/pxG7y8YmMq4jJyqKv4mvPL5cp jT2/HEZ7baFZcx4BS9uh7o3uI9A4FlJqbAKTkQ2gU+GI9WsiHYcpgtpwKxkgUA0PQxEpZq9lE/BmZ 1aKkOreUZt8SRpVAolDbom6YhuuyDw1PqnbMVcUOmf3YawDQNbW9YF3Lea+SafosPbfSo/8mkqrS/ q+tqmphA==; Received: from [114.125.105.36] (port=19257 helo=X220.sumeritec.com) by srv31.niagahoster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1epRDH-0002T9-MF; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:13:34 +0700 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:13:28 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Ewald Jenisch Cc: Subject: Re: HP Proliant DL385 Gen10 refuses to boot FreeBSD 11 Message-ID: <20180224121328.4f92bc9e.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> In-Reply-To: <20180222134439.GA3888@aurora.oekb.co.at> References: <20180222134439.GA3888@aurora.oekb.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 X-AuthUser: freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com X-Originating-IP: 153.92.8.106 X-AntiSpamCloud-Domain: out.niagahoster.com X-AntiSpamCloud-Username: niaga Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com; auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=niaga@out.niagahoster.com X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Class: ham X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.08) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5n1Gvgw18Ckw8a3Hvpy/2DF602E9L7XzfQH6nu9C/Fh9KJzpNe6xgvOx q3u0UDjvO0RdcmxuLd1NgLEH/a7aRjW5+uV3usvili/EgqEoBuzL5RmX5Wddz27geQcwtt3ZFME1 GhBZffckQxUvi0e7DW5NdKhuFgMAlR+jx2UpWpXU5g+sHZmT3CLVmxntdIVybe6Py/K+vCjtqQTE fJyKYgYsHZvhvjrkwWutyN8MB1pA7tX1JIIXdACoWW+Y4L3+Wy2uPSeJT5I8TpI9bg3giwaVsm4m 7ikBKJfWQhJIAf1QBsOYgCa6Bo6Lu8GdpHLwk26noxJ1R+JPOFQkdVRSeviFcFhO9Ph08zfxywcA n5TeB3PPZVJXzRiDtPk9EjJJjxtDCxbtr+uPmhy8lPsq5IyFaqgcGzZnX+CJEzOKknaQz78Xrhgj TUn5sMQIm1FXCn2M56NQTHXUYMGv32pVQuxNJEoSvoLoS7xPGRwSbFHfkVWClPVvbW5lVyQanRxw 5hi8a1G7BFro2SbAGuw+CyXtQDqSQEZnDGtKyuUpVpXB6HpDuvsM+HogtsNG7Qv0CbipkMJJtEea qfVxLE8y3p/uTrFc7PtXe3ES3zyIhwIwB5hQ6nsDvccjqgmDvD9Wh8h5QZDw2Glt87yeT4eNbI6y M9IbWOP3aujtdJIWnnH/D/Zvn8DIMrqeWp7NEapUAdjX7cCDJJmwCIcixJvi07nuxY9lgStnO4+C ZbbC1fC0ctgzcDoFd+96Xw4QUNtTncDTVmNP4h4hHW4W3FZBHvoP/6nnOTzuWNRjx34Wtjqqsnhg d0PJoh9pE/Qh+DBNrhiXYpmGRqLoqCVipDGlRxr4YiFPnuFy2mGGjEOFutm9c8akPXl1rSwDcf9K l92R02ti1C+8zrvIuFHNqxhfHcjaWlktivzVM5fl1rJHKB/g3mGyjSnaoQr28ssfojBfD+azqbrx /09hywAjAcAQ/dI= X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine1.antispamcloud.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:14:31 -0000 Hi, just in case, have a try with FreeBSD 12. Erich On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:44:39 +0100 Ewald Jenisch wrote: > Hi, > > Got a new HP Proliant DL385 Gen10 Server and wanted to install > FreeBSD. Starting from FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-amd64-bootonly.iso mounted > via the iLo virtual CD device the system started with the usual > install boot, but then suddenly crashed and rebooted the whole system > - boot loop basically. > > I started playing around in the BIOS of the System trying UEFI > vs. legacy BIOS, as well a bunch of other parameters but to no extent: > the system just crashes when upon booting from the installation > media :-( > > To cross check I tried to boot a Linux installation media (Ubuntu > Server 16.04) and the server booted from the Linux ISO without any > problem. So I'm pretty sure it's something FreeBSD related. > > My questions: > > o) Anybody else out there seen a problem like this on a HP DL385 > Gen10? > > o) Any cure against it? > > Thanks much in advance for any clue, > -ewald > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 24 04:40:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A37F1336C for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ailee.email@icloud.com) Received: from mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com (mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com [17.120.80.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE55D6D157 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ailee.email@icloud.com) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com by mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) id <0P4N00N000VII200@mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:40:31 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=04042017; t=1519447231; bh=nHDAmPY/UWiT96Q64WeqUfgwR7VMrc0tnrcQ11wEOzI=; h=Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:From:Date:Message-id:To; b=Cg9+DFh8laA/KIuaDzAuSYfymwwNJOF/uFa69c1N3F+a7FpTv/UtrZje7ARSjY1KA TE5asBf6CjQy6OGinISOElgu+NAKuSSLEDWNel78e+gWacBChQlwsNQaO6W1Xh8Fy6 RIw8dHmjxqwA4yjoMszk0uN76HnS702J5K6lBNJxOkLFkn6ZJb51PEEdNtQ8e4s/3H XTmk7FiMYgElfAn2EvkSGvxAKL+3/Q5eMWKER3p0sqwfMUg0ug36+RzYNffth0AW9w DA5hz4rgRlsrjRYU+8+SNZGaROgk9Y9JvTd4ZtGN+HQq7/s7zQiT7twNJI/fqmDJP0 NbWeFg9MCjogQ== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.2.20170607 64bit (built Jun 7 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0P4N008VB0Z40T10@mr29p60im-ztfb07101501.me.com>; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:40:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2018-02-24_01:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1707230000 definitions=main-1802240056 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: how to change console font type and size ? From: =?utf-8?B?5p2O5ZGo5Y2O?= X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15D100) In-reply-to: <20180222161516.2de5033b.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:40:14 +0800 Cc: freebsd , "L. Jack" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <82FF41D0-94FF-4031-B995-D005334F5AFF@icloud.com> References: <62509DC6-7852-4CB7-92E3-0ACC0E4D3344@icloud.com> <20180222155921.ca0fea60.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180222161516.2de5033b.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:40:38 -0000 Thanks for you kindly help, it's works !!! Use 'vidcontrol -f ' test display effect. and then add=20 allscreens_flags=3D"-f gallant" to file /etc/rc.conf add follow four lines in /boot/loader.conf kern.vty=3Dvt hw.vga.textmode=3D1 i915kms_load=3D"YES" kern.vt.fb.default_mode=3D"1280x800" Seems these are only two kind of font in /usr/share/vt/fonts , can i add ano= ther font under this path and where to find them and how to do this ? thanks. >> On 22 Feb 2018, at 11:15 PM, Polytropon wrote: >>=20 >>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:59:21 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:48:40 +0800, =E6=9D=8E=E5=91=A8=E5=8D=8E wrote: >>> I'm now working on freebsd 11.1 . =20 >>> Sometimes i no need to login X, just veiw some source code >>> after boot completely. >>>=20 >>> On boot process after invoke 'kldload i915kms' console font >>> becomes small and difficult to distinguish. >>=20 >> Welcome to the "wonderful" world of sc. ;-) > ^^ >=20 > Of course it shoule be "world of sc->vt", as vt still has a lot > of things to work on, so it can finally catch up to the amount of > functionality and the ease of use that sc offered for decades. :-) >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Sat, 24 Feb 2018 05:28:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.151.151 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 05:28:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <854f2a4e-1264-7c7f-60c4-7f65efa290f7@netfence.it> References: <854f2a4e-1264-7c7f-60c4-7f65efa290f7@netfence.it> From: Adam Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 07:28:56 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11.1/amd64 hangs on boot To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:28:58 -0000 On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:11 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > > I've had this machine for eons and it went through almost every FreeBSD > version in the last years without a hitch. > > After upgrading to 11.1, however, it will often (not always) hang on boot. > > Some extract from dmesg (I think these are the relevant parts): > > ... >> FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p6 #1 r327994M: Mon Jan 15 09:50:57 CET 2018 >> root@alamar.ventu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ALAMAR amd64 >> FreeBSD clang version 4.0.0 (tags/RELEASE_400/final 297347) (based on >> LLVM 4.0.0) >> ... >> ahci0: port >> 0xa000-0xa007,0x9000-0x9003,0x8000-0x8007,0x7000-0x7003,0x6000-0x600f >> mem 0xfe6ffc00-0xfe6fffff irq 22 at device 17.0 on pci0 >> ahci0: AHCI v1.10 with 6 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported >> ahci0: quirks=0x22000 >> ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 >> ahcich1: at channel 1 on ahci0 >> ahcich2: at channel 2 on ahci0 >> ahcich3: at channel 3 on ahci0 >> ahcich4: at channel 4 on ahci0 >> ahcich5: at channel 5 on ahci0 >> ohci0: mem 0xfe6fe000-0xfe6fefff >> irq 16 at device 18.0 on pci0 >> usbus0 on ohci0 >> usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 >> ohci1: mem 0xfe6fd000-0xfe6fdfff >> irq 16 at device 18.1 on pci0 >> usbus1 on ohci1 >> usbus1: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 >> ehci0: mem >> 0xfe6ff800-0xfe6ff8ff irq 17 at device 18.2 on pci0 >> usbus2: EHCI version 1.0 >> usbus2 on ehci0 >> usbus2: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 >> ohci2: mem 0xfe6fc000-0xfe6fcfff >> irq 18 at device 19.0 on pci0 >> usbus3 on ohci2 >> usbus3: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 >> ohci3: mem 0xfe6f7000-0xfe6f7fff >> irq 18 at device 19.1 on pci0 >> usbus4 on ohci3 >> usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 >> ehci1: mem >> 0xfe6ff400-0xfe6ff4ff irq 19 at device 19.2 on pci0 >> usbus5: EHCI version 1.0 >> usbus5 on ehci1 >> usbus5: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 >> atapci0: port >> 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xff00-0xff0f at device 20.1 on pci0 >> ata1: at channel 1 on atapci0 >> ... >> ahd0: port >> 0xe800-0xe8ff,0xe400-0xe4ff mem 0xfebfe000-0xfebfffff irq 20 at device 5.0 >> on pci3 >> aic7902: Ultra320 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, PCI 33 or 66MHz, 512 SCBs >> ahd1: port >> 0xe000-0xe0ff,0xd800-0xd8ff mem 0xfebfc000-0xfebfdfff irq 21 at device 5.1 >> on pci3 >> aic7902: Ultra320 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, PCI 33 or 66MHz, 512 SCBs >> ... >> ugen4.1: at usbus4 >> ugen1.1: at usbus1 >> ugen0.1: at usbus0 >> ugen6.1: at usbus6 >> uhub0: on usbus4 >> uhub1: on usbus1 >> uhub2: on usbus6 >> uhub3: ugen3.1: at usbus3 >> on usbus0 >> uhub4: on usbus3 >> ugen5.1: at usbus5 >> ugen2.1: at usbus2 >> uhub5: on usbus5 >> uhub6: on usbus2 >> uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered >> uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered >> uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered >> uhub3: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered >> uhub4: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered >> uhub5: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered >> uhub6: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered >> ... >> ugen5.2: at usbus5 >> umass0 on uhub5 >> umass0: >> on usbus5 >> umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x4001 >> umass0:9:0: Attached to scbus9 >> ... >> da1 at ahd1 bus 0 scbus8 target 0 lun 0 >> da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device >> da1: Serial Number V5X9S3AA0051P65D0441 >> da1: 320.000MB/s transfers (160.000MHz DT, offset 80, 16bit) >> da1: Command Queueing enabled >> da1: 140205MB (287140277 512 byte sectors) >> da0 at ahd0 bus 0 scbus7 target 4 lun 0 >> da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device >> da0: 3.300MB/s transfers >> da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present >> da2 at ahd1 bus 0 scbus8 target 2 lun 0 >> da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device >> da2: Serial Number V5XABRAA0051P65L0026 >> da2: 320.000MB/s transfers (160.000MHz DT, offset 80, 16bit) >> da2: Command Queueing enabled >> da2: 140205MB (287140277 512 byte sectors) >> cd0 at ahcich2 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 >> cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI device >> cd0: Serial Number K9HE8TD3540 >> cd0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA 1.x, UDMA5, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 8192bytes) >> cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - >> tray closed >> cd1 at ata1 bus 0 scbus6 target 0 lun 0 >> cd1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI device >> cd1: 66.700MB/s transfers (UDMA4, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 65534bytes) >> cd1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present >> da3 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus9 target 0 lun 0 >> da3: Removable Direct Access SCSI device >> da3: Serial Number 058F312D81B >> da3: 40.000MB/s transfers >> da3: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present >> da3: quirks=0x2 >> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/mirror/gm1a [rw]... >> da4 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus9 target 0 lun 1 >> da4: Removable Direct Access SCSI device >> da4: Serial Number 058F312D81B >> da4: 40.000MB/s transfers >> da4: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present >> da4: quirks=0x2 >> da5 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus9 target 0 lun 2 >> da5: Removable Direct Access SCSI device >> da5: Serial Number 058F312D81B >> da5: 40.000MB/s transfers >> da5: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present >> da5: quirks=0x2 >> da6 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus9 target 0 lun 3 >> da6: Removable Direct Access SCSI device >> da6: Serial Number 058F312D81B >> da6: 40.000MB/s transfers >> da6: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present >> da6: quirks=0x2 >> > > The last part is the most relevant: starting from "da1:" onwards, the > order of appearance of daX and cdX is not always the same. > Often, after a few of daX and/or cdX are output, the machine hangs, the > SCSI controller light staying on: sometimes it will spontaneusly reboot > after several seconds, sometimes I'll have to press the reset button. > > There's no rules to how many times I have to try booting every morning: > some days it starts right the first time, some days I have to reboot > several times until it gets it right and goes ahead. > > While it might be an hardware problem (being the box quite old), the fact > that it started doing this after a 10.3->11.1 upgrade is suspicious. > Is there a known race-condition/LOR/whatever? Is there a way to get better > info (e.g. some option to put in the kernel config or in /boot/loader.conf)? > Should I enable DDB, INVARIANTS, WITNESS & co.? I'd like to avoid breaking > performance, but I'll do if it's the only way. > You could do a verbose boot. You can also use the switch to prevent reboot on panic. Is there anything in /var/log/messages? -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 24 16:43:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5DEF2D5E0 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:43:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keve@keve.hu) Received: from mail.siruf.hu (mail.siruf.hu [IPv6:2a01:6ee0:1:1000:4f13:6941:9ad4:300c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79D856C124 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:43:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keve@keve.hu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.siruf.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20496549 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:43:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.siruf.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.siruf.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KsKmQ-mGZens for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:43:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from [IPv6:2a02:a455:c069:1:3d69:ab64:2906:c9ed] (unknown [IPv6:2a02:a455:c069:1:3d69:ab64:2906:c9ed]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: keve@keve.hu) by mail.siruf.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B0836222 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:43:34 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=keve.hu; s=mail; t=1519490615; bh=7K93qz/f++Ruau6VOqmVc+4zPdeweqFElKuBx/wAYug=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=jYNCDswV76WslxTNvZs/It7TZh4wYCjaEwEGX6B7GK77a523aB4KkkD3e01HCub/u pDBiSbl/iFQuBS6lXtE2XoMyso2doD8uTXfibIDqbzr+mwuXha0TFDD7sxuyGPScze 7CVYlRMArvg0LCPY8RctMiokoBB0VJeRBBLBaMcg= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Keve Subject: ipxe + EFI loading FreeBSD - should/will this work? Message-ID: <45199144-8228-f661-bb2e-5a55861dfe34@keve.hu> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:43:31 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:43:50 -0000 Hi, I am booting several different OSes cleanly with ipxe (http://ipxe.org) in both physical as well as virtual environments. The only system resisting so far is FreeBSD. I can easily boot it from iso (e.g. the excellent mfsbsd isos), but this reduces flexibility in giving kernel command line arguments, etc. ipxe can boot multiboot kernels on x86, there are traces of multiboot in FreeBSD, but I have not succeeded in getting it up. ipxe lacks direct support for loading the FreeBSD kernel. With the advent of loader.efi I have tried my luck again - with moderate success. On amd64 I can boot loader.efi as the "kernel" passing kernel command line arguments, but any attempt to pass an initial ramdisk fails. I tried passing no initrd, a small UFS (40MB) with /boot, a small disk image with gpt freebsd-ufs partition (50MB), a big UFS (mfsroot), but I consistently get the same result: * "Found 1 disk(s) but no logical partition" message, "can't load 'kernel'" * lsdev shows only the network card * loader.efi tries to nfs mount / on the tftp-server The whole point of my investigation was to avoid the nfs-root by providing a memory disk. Hence my questions: Am I missing something in my approach above (some parameter to loader.efi that will make it use the memory disk) or some other magic to use the memory disk as the root filesystem? Are you considering to enrich loader.efi to be able to work with an initial ramdisk, if yes, where can I sign up to support the process? Any guidance on how to proceed, what to try is highly appreciated. Thx. Cheers, Keve