From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 22 04:45:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97304F89A5F for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 04:45:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2173375A16 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 04:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w3M4jZsl050107 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 22:45:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Gary Aitken Subject: recommended setup for building ports in development env? Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Message-ID: <8ce8063a-c43c-8dd1-0374-55751369642a@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 22:44:55 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Sat, 21 Apr 2018 22:45:36 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 04:45:39 -0000 May be better to ask this on ports but thought I would check here first. I'm trying to set up a development environment for a few ports. I established a parallel ports tree and set the environment variables PREFIX=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local WORKDIR=${MYFREEBSD}/var/db/portsnap PORTSDIR=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/ports With those set, I can build and install some things. For example, I can build and install graphics/ufraw, and with my PATH properly extended to include ${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/bin I can execute it. I can also build and install x11/babl into ${MYFREEBSD}. Running a normally built gimp finds the new libbabl located in a different, non-standard place: $ ldd `which gimp` | grep babl libbabl-0.1.so.0 => /usr/home/.../usr/local/lib/libbabl-0.1.so.0 I didn't expect that to work; nice. However, when I go to build graphics/gegl it fails because it can't find the installed babl: ===> gegl-0.3.34 depends on shared library: libbabl-0.1.so - not found If I set LOCALBASE=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local it wants to rebuild all dependencies, since it doesn't find any of the normally installed stuff. Adding -L${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/lib to LDFLAGS -I${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/include to CPPFLAGS in the Makefile doesn't solve the problem. Is there a good solution to this, or do I have to set LOCALBASE with the resulting build of everything else, not just the things that I need to upgrade for this work? Hopefully there's a way to extend the normal search path for port builds? Thanks for any hints, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 22 09:17:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3F7FAD563 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:17:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A1D675AA2 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:17:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.45.149]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue006 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Ltyl8-1eRjmH3apK-011Rak; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 11:17:00 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 11:16:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Anton Shterenlikht Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: touchpad mouse not working Message-Id: <20180422111659.bb8229e5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180420190251.GA65091@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> References: <201804152038.w3FKcI5l097823@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> <20180416002136.ea89f2ac.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180420190251.GA65091@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:U9t97XbhOnddNpyE8yUl/79ExAzBxHLeALHGVRBdxxDsxS1h1PH amWFjxp/QxqITaea9T4n/wMJspHd6Yyt1XAUWJhGO/gp432gtXEP/BTJey3Cam5J8IlVDDy fswyl4rLYbGS9cx+5ka1AIHCzXzu7EfQA5BfIfrn9oC+Z+Dnu4/qYy/IfgzNAFvb/S0fZBh FLLTmYiiGGobGuSBFIZYw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:aY4xmsjQw4c=:ELHWfJ3HQVFcF5uiyzfVtf 5eLO10YTRla8kXHlSZyp0aHwhurDhKHqSL258cHGFZ4N6W8WQv+wkgv1NQyXVLCwHzuiblROZ oLTxD5Jps0d+aKX8yfY5dwA1nTljv0XXGnDrksYA0NA/9+7dBoylbPixMcoPiUdGEibObb5N8 bRIGGGD8ApEbnKAk0s1+HwZYcV/6qMg5e8Mc7b9WYYeJwxRK57RdR9g7TWcLBNvPvbeZmYH0C wAsB+JJZdr+P/cFIAqWcKdqStSyeQfVLbb8hhmlI9iSE1n93x2glnnpK2fnEurkz3MywwcshF h33HZcpcOyiFeW8EndIQFaTUpcqxAT75gkwMegtbM8yDdUPSg0IuFvXJRoU8OrjPuNOSTRyUx CepjH1ntzRAY9lV1VvhmyyF+6VW+44I1SAgS2I/A1RYTYGUSGhNWJaJxDaTlUU4gzNEbk3Po+ nE+DQajQBBbTJaOaOy9yA07t6epy8eFur/+1h15O1e3CGkmobi4Wrvjv2Z1U47Gh8UDLJkavb otw+djW57VUnRBWIhE4qr9/g0JgKQ+kqtjeAnagwMPLliUc5Rwq1GG8MyTPdv3wTJWA5YZJvs O/hUwMx0jp+LF99I+8L9CDL2mSx55YJWcjS6vf9JD0moNI/qaB+CvmLoEm3e0kAvDz/9K6aWz PtCgLxtWZV7QnT9/ZyH82BLLOCviUjZFXbwwnIS9cc0CFXElEMCEiek9o+bmhdMVjcKf4NDZ8 2JeFwXu0DbK46Hu7xVzvu4Znuggk+gCNoyqJG+4lJp3ZIu11NksoULKAr7M= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:17:02 -0000 On Fri, 20 Apr 2018 19:02:51 +0000, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:21:36AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 20:38:18 GMT, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > Please help get a touchpad mouse working. > > > I've moused_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf > > > which should be enough. > > > However, I don't see psm in dmesg. > > > What am I missing? > > > > Check if the built-in touchpad has been deactivated > > in the CMOS setup (sometimes possible). If it does > > not appear in dmesg as psm0, check if it _might_ be > > connected to USB internally, so ums0 should be visitble > > (and moused should be started fot it automatically). > > Also check if there is a hardware switch for deactivating > > the touchpad (probably not, but I don't know what > > hardware you're using). > > There 3 options in BIOS: (1) no touchpad, (2) PS2 mouse > and (3) Touchpad. I tried all of them - no luck. That is really strange. At least a corresponding driver entry should appear, even if the device itself is "dead" (no reaction when being touched). > No psm or ums. This sounds really strange... On my Lenovo R61i laptop, the touchpad and the TrackPoint (the "nub") are conbined into the same device, i. e., they usually act in parallel. They then appear as _one_ device: a PS/2 mouse. Example from dmesg: atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 <--- psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] <--- psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 <--- The CMOS setup allows the following configuration that can disable the stupid touchpad, but leave the TrackPoint: TrackPoint [ Automatic* / Disabled ] Touch Pad [ Automatic / Disabled* ] Now the one psm0 device only represents the TrackPoint, while the touchpad can serve as a coffee cup warmer. :-) > This is my pciconf -lv. > Does it contain any hints? No. You should check: # dmesg | grep psm and # dmesg | grep ums or # usbconfig list to check for USB device entries explicitely (because modern laptops sometimes utilize an "internal USB mouse" for the touchpad rather than a PS/2-style device). No matter how the manufacturer implemented the touchpad device, it should appear in dmesg. By the way, is there a /boot/kernel/acpi_.ko related to your hardware? If yes, try to load it - it might enable "hidden hardware" that won't show up normally. Also check if you have a "Synaptics Touchpad": https://wiki.freebsd.org/SynapticsTouchpad https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/x.html#idp59957608 https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/how-to-use-synaptics-driver-for-better-touchpad-features.54872/ Again, this assumes that some device entry is already present for the touchpad (usually psm). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 22 18:32:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45666FB48A6 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 18:32:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from as@cmplx.uk) Received: from jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (jail0199.vps.exonetric.net [IPv6:2a02:1658:1::199:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "jail0199.vps.exonetric.net", Issuer "jail0199.vps.exonetric.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C613677D73 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 18:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from as@cmplx.uk) Received: from jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (jail0199.vps.exonetric.net [178.250.76.108]) by jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w3MIW0rS044974 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Apr 2018 18:32:00 GMT (envelope-from as@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net) Received: (from as@localhost) by jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w3MIW0R7044973; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 18:32:00 GMT (envelope-from as) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 18:32:00 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Polytropon Cc: Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: touchpad mouse not working Message-ID: <20180422183200.GA42552@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> Mail-Followup-To: Polytropon , Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201804152038.w3FKcI5l097823@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> <20180416002136.ea89f2ac.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180420190251.GA65091@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> <20180422111659.bb8229e5.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180422111659.bb8229e5.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 18:32:04 -0000 On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 11:16:59AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > > This is my pciconf -lv. > > Does it contain any hints? > > No. You should check: > > # dmesg | grep psm empty > > and > > # dmesg | grep ums empty, until I plug in an external usb mouse > > or > > # usbconfig list root@z:~ # usbconfig list ugen0.1: <0x8086 XHCI root HUB> at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=SUPER (5.0Gbps) pwr=SAVE (0mA) ugen0.3: at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=HIGH (480Mbps) pwr=ON (500mA) ugen0.2: at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=LOW (1.5Mbps) pwr=ON (100mA) root@z:~ # where pixart is the external mouse. > By the way, is there a /boot/kernel/acpi_.ko > related to your hardware? If yes, try to load it - it might > enable "hidden hardware" that won't show up normally. root@z:~ # ls /boot/kernel/acpi*ko /boot/kernel/acpi_asus.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_hp.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_toshiba.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_asus_wmi.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_ibm.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_video.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_dock.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_panasonic.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_wmi.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_fujitsu.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_sony.ko The laptop is DEll precision 3250, so not sure if any of these modules apply. Perhaps acpi_wmi? > > Also check if you have a "Synaptics Touchpad": > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/SynapticsTouchpad > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/x.html#idp59957608 > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/how-to-use-synaptics-driver-for-better-touchpad-features.54872/ > > Again, this assumes that some device entry is already present > for the touchpad (usually psm). Yes, I've looked at these, but as you say, this is just making sure the touchpad device can be used with some extra capabilities. But I cannot even get the basics working. Thanks anyway Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 22 19:56:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74375FB9607 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 19:56:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D003F69514 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 19:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.45.149]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue103 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LzHnN-1eNzVf49OT-014UuV; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 21:51:19 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 21:51:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Anton Shterenlikht Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: touchpad mouse not working Message-Id: <20180422215118.7ed86c89.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20180422183200.GA42552@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> References: <201804152038.w3FKcI5l097823@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> <20180416002136.ea89f2ac.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180420190251.GA65091@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> <20180422111659.bb8229e5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180422183200.GA42552@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:7KrHrdS1cttgatKUfQPgFm0goY9d250aGVArUHFAQm3CZXUn7kj b3OCUNjfmBAEBB1Y1WwgCrM4Sb7phFjw8qb+J8yQOVVnUUBcTJWWzX04eqzYvreG9w7DjYP GZ/zl3Lq/hIhfDCAGWiRCXSn+oEKx/cqrjTpr6gJpV5l6NXds3rnhrloNCfewZZ+HqZl2fS 4tuvdU3pQv0uw1LwPtGng== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Eo0vqiN9A0I=:qF24kFQ4KEQUcro6/Ye2NR FUqOe3QPAI3qUUpHYrAp2BmmmwLAVsA3G8PsuArM795xuaYBT4oZTbHE8Wa9enigEX1mHZc3M CsXEqgVubDH73McZb2M5zicnHIqGpHFL36ZqVh3VVf3YiFraty59pieorFrIyEYRhyObVfes7 az7i33TPZWtijqrUK23+kXRRN3WSX3qoWkuv3pkr9JA9q58GQly6n43KL8QERKxiXdhxsdd00 XddgeYor1NbAjL1fjFR+VzPlUp8vpOvrMdbcksCyHPOXjHXDU/HotEKXMQA6lN/FXvAvuUj6/ JMgdMeKuInqwFhZBLc3p3AvNMHkn4HWzY+mF6oE5iPIf8TR1cm4CVq2NnCihZQqn/2i+FaCkF akZ07/ymW7nzOsh0Hjr3Az8v2rx1Gfwtp7iylr7RiNhb1tfvBfEVG0nlNHPPb2fGlB18Y6fw9 vZ5bxnkvqv+OoRaks1K/TNrR//vAJ4RUQH7ZgbdJm/HFIkoYEcAZyxHlDfi0QGEhTP5WVNwjM vhpu8R2gvIM49Zt6BZJuXsgPyus2ZVEyO5U0FURm3g4OK3qXJAocJxkfoGU38piCyqIDBokrd BpFPN5HB1gs8TE/kQOPPLo1v7qH01/0Y96zzMjP6lxXTckRFaH/CNptd06DZfjRnRQrdI5WRl P8EgARLCrlIw7laj7NegYAfpKNtirQMuL/VlNnoCj+0M/0nLRA0rBm83PADRIXngqMgXDgfcJ +AyUvRQFG+iyOwmSbqWwtoPkilql/RrdupskUcgx/Y0mlFPlWh7nR9ctS2E= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 19:56:46 -0000 On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 18:32:00 +0000, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 11:16:59AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > This is my pciconf -lv. > > > Does it contain any hints? > > > > No. You should check: > > > > # dmesg | grep psm > > empty > > > > > and > > > > # dmesg | grep ums > > empty, until I plug in an external usb mouse As expected: The internal touch device is _not_ accessible by the OS in any way. > > By the way, is there a /boot/kernel/acpi_.ko > > related to your hardware? If yes, try to load it - it might > > enable "hidden hardware" that won't show up normally. > > root@z:~ # ls /boot/kernel/acpi*ko > /boot/kernel/acpi_asus.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_hp.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_toshiba.ko > /boot/kernel/acpi_asus_wmi.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_ibm.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_video.ko > /boot/kernel/acpi_dock.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_panasonic.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_wmi.ko > /boot/kernel/acpi_fujitsu.ko /boot/kernel/acpi_sony.ko > > The laptop is DEll precision 3250, > so not sure if any of these modules > apply. Perhaps acpi_wmi? You can try to load them one by one, and then check the console messages (or dmesg output) if any new devices appear. There is nothing specific that says "Dell", but acpi_wmi doesn't sound convincing: The acpi_wmi driver provides an interface for vendor specific WMI implementations (e.g. HP and Acer laptops). It creates /dev/wmistat, which can be read to get information about GUIDs found in the system. Maybe still worth a try. > > Also check if you have a "Synaptics Touchpad": > > > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/SynapticsTouchpad > > > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/x.html#idp59957608 > > > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/how-to-use-synaptics-driver-for-better-touchpad-features.54872/ > > > > Again, this assumes that some device entry is already present > > for the touchpad (usually psm). > > Yes, I've looked at these, but as you say, > this is just making sure the touchpad device > can be used with some extra capabilities. > But I cannot even get the basics working. It's quite strange that you have a BIOS setting that doesn't seem to do anything... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Apr 22 20:41:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E1EFBC1A6 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 20:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from as@cmplx.uk) Received: from jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (jail0199.vps.exonetric.net [IPv6:2a02:1658:1::199:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "jail0199.vps.exonetric.net", Issuer "jail0199.vps.exonetric.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0DE0723FF for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 20:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from as@cmplx.uk) Received: from jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (jail0199.vps.exonetric.net [178.250.76.108]) by jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w3MKfsM0054318 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Apr 2018 20:41:54 GMT (envelope-from as@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net) Received: (from as@localhost) by jail0199.vps.exonetric.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w3MKfsbA054317; Sun, 22 Apr 2018 20:41:54 GMT (envelope-from as) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 20:41:54 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Matthias Gamsjager Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SOLVED: Re: Dell Precision 3520 laptop - help with dual graphics card Message-ID: <20180422204154.GA53525@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Gamsjager , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201804061418.w36EIN8g011268@scm-men-p0.men.bris.ac.uk> <20180406142425.GA4593@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 20:41:56 -0000 On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 12:44:09PM +0200, Matthias Gamsjager wrote: > found it: > https://github.com/ahacking/freebsd-gpu-off This seems to have done nothing, but... I solved my problem another way. I noticed that pciconf -lv shows many Sunrise Point-H, so I searched for "freebsd sunrise point-h graphics", and found this thead: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/intel-hd-graphics-630.60159 where the advice was to install package graphics/drm-next-kmod. I got this package installed, and added kld_list="/boot/modules/i915kms.ko" to /etc/rc.conf for my Intel driver. This seems to work ok now. Below is /var/log/Xorg.0.log. As far as I can tell graphics/drm-next-kmod and gpu-firmware-kmod: z> pkg info -xd drm-next drm-next-kmod-4.11.g20180224: gpu-firmware-kmod-g20180206_1 contain the necessary firmware for Intel HD Graphics 530. I hope this info might help others too. Many thanks for all replies and advice. Anton ********************************************************************** [ 35.617] X.Org X Server 1.18.4 Release Date: 2016-07-19 [ 35.617] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 [ 35.617] Build Operating System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT amd64 [ 35.617] Current Operating System: FreeBSD z.net 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r332432: Thu Apr 12 16:40:04 UTC 2018 root@releng3.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64 [ 35.617] Build Date: 19 April 2018 02:55:35AM [ 35.617] [ 35.617] Current version of pixman: 0.34.0 [ 35.617] Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. [ 35.617] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [ 35.617] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Apr 22 21:21:02 2018 [ 35.619] (==) Using config directory: "/usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" [ 35.619] (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. [ 35.619] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults. [ 35.619] (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0) [ 35.619] (**) | |-->Monitor "" [ 35.620] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section". Using a default monitor configuration. 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[ 35.626] (II) Loader magic: 0x813e50 [ 35.626] (II) Module ABI versions: [ 35.626] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 [ 35.626] X.Org Video Driver: 20.0 [ 35.626] X.Org XInput driver : 22.1 [ 35.626] X.Org Server Extension : 9.0 [ 35.626] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:191b:1028:07a9 rev 6, Mem @ 0xeb000000/16777216, 0x80000000/268435456, I/O @ 0x0000f000/64, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536 [ 35.626] (--) PCI: (0:1:0:0) 10de:13b4:1028:07a9 rev 162, Mem @ 0xec000000/16777216, 0xc0000000/268435456, 0xd0000000/33554432, I/O @ 0x0000e000/128 [ 35.627] (II) LoadModule: "glx" [ 35.628] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so [ 35.637] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 35.637] compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 1.0.0 [ 35.637] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 9.0 [ 35.637] (==) AIGLX enabled [ 35.637] (==) Matched intel as autoconfigured driver 0 [ 35.637] (==) Matched modesetting as autoconfigured driver 1 [ 35.637] (==) Matched scfb as autoconfigured driver 2 [ 35.637] (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 3 [ 35.637] (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout [ 35.637] (II) LoadModule: "intel" [ 35.637] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so [ 35.640] (II) Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 35.640] compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 2.99.917 [ 35.640] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 35.640] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 20.0 [ 35.640] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting" [ 35.640] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so [ 35.641] (II) Module modesetting: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 35.641] compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 1.18.4 [ 35.641] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 35.641] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 20.0 [ 35.641] (II) LoadModule: "scfb" [ 35.641] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/scfb_drv.so [ 35.641] (II) Module scfb: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 35.641] compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 0.0.4 [ 35.641] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 20.0 [ 35.641] (II) LoadModule: "vesa" [ 35.641] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so [ 35.641] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 35.642] compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 2.3.4 [ 35.642] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 35.642] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 20.0 [ 35.642] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G, E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G, 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45, 4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43 [ 35.642] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) HD Graphics [ 35.642] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Graphics [ 35.642] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Pro Graphics [ 35.642] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms [ 35.642] (II) scfb: driver for wsdisplay framebuffer: scfb [ 35.642] (II) VESA: driver for VESA 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[ 35.893] (II) intel(0): v_active: 1080 v_sync: 1083 v_sync_end 1089 v_blanking: 1120 v_border: 0 [ 35.893] (II) intel(0): MH98N [ 35.893] (II) intel(0): Unknown vendor-specific block 0 [ 35.893] (II) intel(0): EDID (in hex): [ 35.893] (II) intel(0): 00ffffffffffff0009e5f10600000000 [ 35.893] (II) intel(0): 011a0104952213780a0010a75751a127 [ 35.893] (II) intel(0): 10505400000001010101010101010101 [ 35.893] (II) intel(0): 0101010101019c3b803671383c403020 [ 35.893] (II) intel(0): 360058c21000001afd2d800e71382840 [ 35.893] (II) intel(0): 3020360058c21000001a000000fe004d [ 35.893] (II) intel(0): 4839384e804e5631354e343300000000 [ 35.893] (II) intel(0): 000041229e001000000a010a202000c4 [ 35.894] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (doublescan mode not supported) [ 35.894] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (doublescan mode not supported) [ 35.894] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (doublescan mode not supported) [ 35.894] (II) intel(0): Not using 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EDID for output DP1 [ 36.009] (II) intel(0): EDID for output HDMI2 [ 36.010] (II) intel(0): EDID for output DP2 [ 36.119] (II) intel(0): EDID for output HDMI3 [ 36.119] (II) intel(0): Output eDP1 connected [ 36.119] (II) intel(0): Output HDMI1 disconnected [ 36.119] (II) intel(0): Output DP1 disconnected [ 36.119] (II) intel(0): Output HDMI2 disconnected [ 36.119] (II) intel(0): Output DP2 disconnected [ 36.119] (II) intel(0): Output HDMI3 disconnected [ 36.119] (II) intel(0): Using exact sizes for initial modes [ 36.119] (II) intel(0): Output eDP1 using initial mode 1920x1080 +0+0 [ 36.119] (II) intel(0): Using default gamma of (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) unless otherwise stated. [ 36.119] (II) intel(0): Kernel page flipping support detected, enabling [ 36.119] (==) intel(0): DPI set to (96, 96) [ 36.119] (II) Loading sub module "fb" [ 36.119] (II) LoadModule: "fb" [ 36.119] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so [ 36.120] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 36.120] compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 1.0.0 [ 36.120] ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4 [ 36.120] (II) Loading sub module "dri2" [ 36.120] (II) LoadModule: "dri2" [ 36.120] (II) Module "dri2" already built-in [ 36.120] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting" [ 36.120] (II) Unloading modesetting [ 36.120] (II) UnloadModule: "scfb" [ 36.120] (II) Unloading scfb [ 36.120] (II) UnloadModule: "vesa" [ 36.120] (II) Unloading vesa [ 36.120] (==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp [ 36.120] (II) intel(0): Allocated new frame buffer 1920x1080 stride 7680, tiled [ 36.122] (II) UXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations: [ 36.122] (II) solid [ 36.122] (II) copy [ 36.122] (II) put_image [ 36.122] (II) get_image [ 36.123] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] Setup complete [ 36.123] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: i965 [ 36.123] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] VDPAU driver: va_gl [ 36.123] (==) intel(0): Backing store enabled [ 36.123] (==) intel(0): Silken mouse enabled [ 36.124] (II) intel(0): Initializing HW Cursor [ 36.124] (II) intel(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message. [ 36.125] (==) intel(0): DPMS enabled [ 36.126] (==) intel(0): Intel XvMC decoder enabled [ 36.126] (WW) intel(0): Disabling Xv because no adaptors could be initialized. [ 36.126] (II) intel(0): DRI2: Enabled [ 36.126] (II) intel(0): DRI3: Disabled [ 36.148] (--) RandR disabled [ 36.183] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer [ 36.183] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_create_context [ 36.183] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_create_context_profile [ 36.183] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_EXT_create_context_es{,2}_profile [ 36.183] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_INTEL_swap_event [ 36.183] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_swap_control and GLX_MESA_swap_control [ 36.183] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB [ 36.183] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float [ 36.183] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_EXT_fbconfig_packed_float [ 36.183] (II) AIGLX: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap backed by buffer objects [ 36.183] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_create_context_robustness [ 36.183] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized i965 [ 36.183] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0 [ 36.183] (II) intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 508 x 285 [ 36.285] (II) config/devd: probing input devices... [ 36.285] (II) config/devd: adding input device (null) (/dev/kbdmux) [ 36.285] (II) LoadModule: "kbd" [ 36.285] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so [ 36.286] (II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 36.286] compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 1.9.0 [ 36.286] Module class: X.Org XInput Driver [ 36.286] ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 22.1 [ 36.286] (II) Using input driver 'kbd' for 'kbdmux' [ 36.286] (**) kbdmux: always reports core events [ 36.286] (**) kbdmux: always reports core events [ 36.286] (**) Option "Protocol" "standard" [ 36.286] (**) Option "XkbRules" "base" [ 36.286] (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105" [ 36.286] (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" [ 36.286] (**) Option "config_info" "devd:kbdmux" [ 36.286] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "kbdmux" (type: KEYBOARD, id 6) [ 36.287] (II) config/devd: kbdmux is enabled, ignoring device atkbd0 [ 36.287] (II) config/devd: adding input device (null) (/dev/sysmouse) [ 36.287] (II) LoadModule: "mouse" [ 36.287] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input/mouse_drv.so [ 36.288] (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 36.288] compiled for 1.18.4, module version = 1.9.2 [ 36.288] Module class: X.Org XInput Driver [ 36.288] ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 22.1 [ 36.288] (II) Using input driver 'mouse' for 'sysmouse' [ 36.288] (**) sysmouse: always reports core events [ 36.288] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" [ 36.288] (==) sysmouse: Protocol: "Auto" [ 36.288] (**) sysmouse: always reports core events [ 36.288] (==) sysmouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 [ 36.288] (**) sysmouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 [ 36.288] (**) sysmouse: Buttons: 5 [ 36.288] (**) Option "config_info" "devd:sysmouse" [ 36.288] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "sysmouse" (type: MOUSE, id 7) [ 36.288] (**) sysmouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1 [ 36.288] (**) sysmouse: (accel) acceleration profile 0 [ 36.288] (**) sysmouse: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000 [ 36.288] (**) sysmouse: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4 [ 36.288] (II) sysmouse: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 4, hw.model is 0 [ 36.289] (II) sysmouse: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse [ 36.289] (II) config/devd: device /dev/ums0 already opened [ 369.245] (II) config/devd: terminating backend... [ 369.245] (II) UnloadModule: "mouse" [ 369.245] (II) UnloadModule: "kbd" [ 369.527] (II) intel(0): Allocated new frame buffer 1920x1080 stride 7680, tiled [ 369.527] (II) UXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations: [ 369.527] (II) solid [ 369.527] (II) copy [ 369.527] (II) put_image [ 369.527] (II) get_image [ 369.527] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] Setup complete [ 369.527] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: i965 [ 369.527] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] VDPAU driver: va_gl [ 369.527] (II) intel(0): Initializing HW Cursor [ 369.527] (II) intel(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message. [ 369.528] (==) intel(0): DPMS enabled [ 369.528] (==) intel(0): Intel XvMC decoder enabled [ 369.528] (WW) intel(0): Disabling Xv because no adaptors could be initialized. [ 369.528] (II) intel(0): DRI2: Enabled [ 369.528] (II) intel(0): DRI3: Disabled [ 370.326] (--) RandR disabled [ 370.336] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer [ 370.336] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_create_context [ 370.336] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_create_context_profile [ 370.336] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_EXT_create_context_es{,2}_profile [ 370.336] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_INTEL_swap_event [ 370.336] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_swap_control and GLX_MESA_swap_control [ 370.336] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB [ 370.336] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float [ 370.336] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_EXT_fbconfig_packed_float [ 370.336] (II) AIGLX: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap backed by buffer objects [ 370.336] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_ARB_create_context_robustness [ 370.336] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized i965 [ 370.336] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0 [ 370.336] (II) intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 508 x 285 [ 370.421] (II) config/devd: probing input devices... [ 370.421] (II) config/devd: adding input device (null) (/dev/kbdmux) [ 370.421] (II) Using input driver 'kbd' for 'kbdmux' [ 370.421] (**) kbdmux: always reports core events [ 370.421] (**) kbdmux: always reports core events [ 370.421] (**) Option "Protocol" "standard" [ 370.421] (**) Option "XkbRules" "base" [ 370.421] (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105" [ 370.421] (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" [ 370.421] (**) Option "config_info" "devd:kbdmux" [ 370.422] (II) config/devd: kbdmux is enabled, ignoring device atkbd0 [ 370.422] (II) config/devd: adding input device (null) (/dev/sysmouse) [ 370.422] (II) Using input driver 'mouse' for 'sysmouse' [ 370.422] (**) sysmouse: always reports core events [ 370.422] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" [ 370.422] (==) sysmouse: Protocol: "Auto" [ 370.422] (**) sysmouse: always reports core events [ 370.422] (==) sysmouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 [ 370.422] (**) sysmouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 [ 370.422] (**) sysmouse: Buttons: 5 [ 370.422] (**) Option "config_info" "devd:sysmouse" [ 370.422] (**) sysmouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1 [ 370.422] (**) sysmouse: (accel) acceleration profile 0 [ 370.422] (**) sysmouse: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000 [ 370.422] (**) sysmouse: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4 [ 370.422] (II) sysmouse: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 4, hw.model is 0 [ 370.422] (II) sysmouse: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse [ 370.422] (II) config/devd: device /dev/ums0 already opened From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 23 08:54:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DAB9FA8F7B for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 08:54:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mj@bsdops.com) Received: from da.strony-domeny.pl (da.strony-domeny.pl [178.32.204.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27D3887077 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 08:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mj@bsdops.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdops.com; s=x; h=Message-ID:Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=FzBPnk3esTBw1KUofAUSzPDgFoHYUAltQyV0EbW6qis=; b=HreAY37zkZx1Efhft/+IKQ2V2Tcb0hBxlxw++qq8VGqkyrgINAvL7uY6KaqKy9zBXJ3NUyNQPG sRCgtCkR1ZiJ6VhUGMbUgn1i2xQuTtzNVCKTNbHBAW6Dx4A87NZLPT8N9kdbV4vAnLBfZUFvMXiEq eQanIy5tMZC0aeq8DZ1oBp+gNF0YCeVz8HQyMXoxrZZLZychq4hGsqdMrS6NeylPhZPriZpfpdFmV om+QEfrcY3apPpDYJ2+fxKTXWX0VCEeKOsogYZ+OsiClo6+OSPuRYAkOZYCDUP9Jr+48I26s85jyw 8Ftz+ZiV6sjJv11U4Of3t9RMQdLY1aySc7cPg==; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=da.strony-domeny.pl) by da.strony-domeny.pl with esmtpa (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1fAXFI-000Oe6-R9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:54:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:54:42 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_J=C4=99drzejczak?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Question about "Speculative Execution Vulnerabilities" for FreeBSD 10.4 Organization: BSDops.com Reply-To: mj@bsdops.com Mail-Reply-To: mj@bsdops.com Message-ID: <4e49a1391399237ab996443eab01e559@bsdops.com> X-Sender: mj@bsdops.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.3 X-Authenticated-Id: mj@bsdops.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 08:54:51 -0000 Hello list. Anybody know when will be published patch "Speculative Execution Vulnerabilities" for FreeBSD 10.4 ? Now we have only for versions 11 and 11.1 https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-18:03.speculative_execution.asc Thanks for answer. -- Best Regards / Pozdrawiam Michał Jędrzejczak From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 23 09:16:15 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384D3FAAA4A for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:16:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7A868A7C0 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:16:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DA321AEF for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 05:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 23 Apr 2018 05:16:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zyxst.net; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:subject:to :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=9JzdmFrAPwB1AucAd ltXT0UUMcKrVNRJk1AlK1hYwvI=; b=LPrAVLQRjVhFWWcFbu/kL8uEm+X0qYxLS WyLCdFI3vli32LWy0oW7/yXrOAedHcY4q0MrNxKaFOQTxL/5RhwcQ96tG6sdYlau 00Z8anx6m9BrSxAxHOov7wI7nlOG63K8j8W1mSGMg8+2ycWMStSSyPTExIEQZ1zs Ww24O1JuA+ylYneTfBwDTg485pH4LA8xTE4RdePQSCSuY+K+s1ilOiFDUvDnr85L nXml5GmGKcWTFS0BpX7vw/clXmfYi+gIukmtTiJKJkvxBpp2epejvaUglAFAHBXO qzp3l2mzY8nNSqmJ9amOUQ6FDWg+/jICbtbrJhN0KI4G992v0M6ww== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=9JzdmFrAPwB1AucAdltXT0UUMcKrVNRJk1AlK1hYwvI=; b=G+VT710fHMyn F79Y2gUnxKVW0YrLaueJOSXDcnmnvvhS5mMfsy344tal+9CIByRAVb9A9vdChIcp i+RFdjKbq+1CMgDHcC0FqMjqN2fh5Ip7d/Btd8UxFy5X4RFQYvEUgDaCgC8aIR0M axml1L9xfINwQj/a3Z1ue1yPqtbA0wM2OLHTwabOqYkWNzcEHn2lUjkxHFXQEERD yXLcey8GvZCWtNrmwKi+hvla4Q8Rq4cmKSEzlm0Rq98gQ5aNAxRW0coj5EOeJrra 4tftFu8ETB+AsIfdFoYXyLT2aqaIM8WZ3QMZcp7FL05Bw7DzGMbqO5WGrGfJr9X6 3x4EvOO1mw== X-ME-Sender: Received: from desktop.local (parsley.growveg.org [82.70.91.97]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3B9CA10255 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 05:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: tech-lists@zyxst.net Subject: Re: Problems With Running Firefox Under Xfce To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: tech-lists Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Organization: none Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:16:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:16:15 -0000 On 20/04/2018 04:04, B J wrote: > We've been having > some spring weather for the past few days and it seems that each year > at this time, the Internet service becomes wobbly. (That also happens > whenever there's a major downpour during the summer.) Hi, Sounds like you might have issues with power. Not just outages, I mean brownouts, voltage sags, spikes. It's common in a rural setting. It would explain both your connection problems and some programs crashing, and service interruption when it's raining. It might not be the only problem, but in your shoes it's where I'd start looking. -- J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 23 20:42:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888C4FAB295 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:42:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aikizen@ovh.fr) Received: from mo29.mail-out.ovh.net (mo29.mail-out.ovh.net [178.32.228.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C1C47F112 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:42:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aikizen@ovh.fr) Received: from he30.mail.ovh.net (he30.mail.ovh.net [188.165.67.38]) by mo29.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC874347D2 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 22:42:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from WorkMachine (unknown [109.190.197.146]) by he30.mail.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 82B6062DEBE for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 22:42:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 22:42:42 +0200 From: AikiZen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 4991114287622659588 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtgedrkeeggdduheegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuqfggjfdpvefjgfevmfevgfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenuc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:42:46 -0000 Hello, I would like know if FreeBSD can used for audiophile listening and composing ? I am a music player and i would like listen with the best quality are possible and record me with my guitar. I test FreeBSD as a long time but my objective at this moment are different. I would like know if FreeBSD give a better audio experience than GNU/Linux. Best Regard, Aiki Zen. PS: Why does not exist anymore French mailing list ? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 23 21:16:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469EBFABA88 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 21:16:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE61787E53 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 21:16:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:10:46 -0600 References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> To: Phuket Collection | Property Newsletter via freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 21:16:59 -0000 On 2018-04-23 (14:42 MDT), AikiZen wrote: >=20 > I would like know if FreeBSD can used for audiophile listening and > composing ? I am a music player and i would like listen with the best > quality are possible and record me with my guitar. Depends, how many orders of magnitude beyond the range of human hearing = do you think you need? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 23 22:49:08 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB65FAD235 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 22:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75F347C3A7 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 22:49:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.45.149]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue103 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MSpj3-1f11UF20Yv-00RqSl; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 00:48:58 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 00:48:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: AikiZen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? 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I am a music player and i would like listen with the best > quality are possible and record me with my guitar. Even though sophisticated Linux distributions like Ubuntu Studio or KXStudio offer great software solutions for audio as well as good hardware support, FreeBSD can be utilized as well, because it is a multi-purpose OS. You still have to choose your hardware wisely to make sure it will fully support the OS. Many applications not available natively for FreeBSD can be used with its Linux ABI. I've been using FreeBSD for my (more or less simple) music applications, without any problems. I've been using a CMI-based sound card (PCI) and my own homemade guitar pickup amplifiers, PA, and connectors to tape recorder equipment. However, I have not tried to get MIDI working - the last time I saw working MIDI was at a time where Atari ST was considered a professional platform for musicians... ;-) > I would like know if FreeBSD give a better audio experience than > GNU/Linux. It's probably not such a matter of the OS as it is of the hardware and the peripherials. Oh, and compression also matters a lot: MP3 with maximum PCM-like compression just sounds terrible on _any_ OS. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 23 23:12:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078CAFADC0F for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 23:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (static-71-163-255-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.163.255.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C8E58098F for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 23:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from tripel.monochrome.org (tripel.monochrome.org [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w3NN6rvC078390; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 19:06:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 19:10:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: Polytropon cc: AikiZen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? In-Reply-To: <20180424004858.ffaa43cd.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> <20180424004858.ffaa43cd.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 23:12:18 -0000 On Tue, 24 Apr 2018, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 22:42:42 +0200, AikiZen wrote: >> I would like know if FreeBSD can used for audiophile listening and >> composing ? I am a music player and i would like listen with the best >> quality are possible and record me with my guitar. > > Even though sophisticated Linux distributions like Ubuntu Studio > or KXStudio offer great software solutions for audio as well as > good hardware support, FreeBSD can be utilized as well, because > it is a multi-purpose OS. You still have to choose your hardware > wisely to make sure it will fully support the OS. Many applications > not available natively for FreeBSD can be used with its Linux ABI. > > I've been using FreeBSD for my (more or less simple) music > applications, without any problems. I've been using a CMI-based > sound card (PCI) and my own homemade guitar pickup amplifiers, PA, > and connectors to tape recorder equipment. However, I have not > tried to get MIDI working - the last time I saw working MIDI was > at a time where Atari ST was considered a professional platform > for musicians... ;-) > > >> I would like know if FreeBSD give a better audio experience than >> GNU/Linux. > > It's probably not such a matter of the OS as it is of the hardware > and the peripherials. Oh, and compression also matters a lot: > MP3 with maximum PCM-like compression just sounds terrible on > _any_ OS. :-) I'll second Polytropon's advice: it's primarily about the hardware and the support thereof, not so much the OS. My needs have been pretty simple: In the course of digitizing hundreds of LPs, I'm editing album sides down to individual tracks and removing gratches. I got a pair of "good" powered speakers [1] and plugged them into my FreeBSD machine's audio out jack from the onboard sound card. They sound very good to me, but I'm getting a lot of noise in the bargain. This can be mitigated by paying attention to the gain structure. I have attempted to record into the audio in of the onboard soundcard, but that did not end well. I'm using a perfectly fine workaround instead. For quality, low-noise recording and playback, I'm afraid you would need to add hardware (card or external). What hardware? Good question; I'd answer it if I could. And I have no idea what's become of the French mailing list. Je suis desole (ASCII character set here, sorry). 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I am a music player and i would like listen with the best > quality are possible and record me with my guitar. > > I test FreeBSD as a long time but my objective at this moment are > different. > > I would like know if FreeBSD give a better audio experience than > GNU/Linux. I do not expect so as it uses the same programs. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 24 07:04:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E55FBE103 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 07:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic306-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic306-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 272866D133 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 07:04:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: UgFXanYVM1kQ0W2O4gs6ZHQFLsK9cSCltDjHDtX0Kwne6H7a3NNYbwODBZTHhjD OoyXAWPp_u2kJrKz0h3AXk8fMcv0zVIhr_rjzZqoqYZ8HcQBSRbzyP3irWrfcdXWmT3GiNSpAGWi 3pO9PJcDLqUwnz6Vcikzh3uKZBlVz_qJW5c2Io3PSO5IhaqAWdlM.XQgexNZZcCIOKykQZrRFIs1 OojQlUSuGtDfa2a22Cus5ydaPmMsyismvRhBxFJlkWj.DJOwOnKdYlIbnpAHBylFSCBVPakYWyVx hGdR2.0AkywBFsmwcyOjIcybbG6iEr077Nyaf8q9iKaMTy_jb4f2h0uvCUqJd8h2pjHQedIznjZL Vo7JxC9_T8.LHToEDqr7DaigBCcXeWHpmN8jymQzVLKHhuwpUA5X9QHCNbL__XHw1P0KOjf.aTRN 7A.20nWmAxeM4ITNbJm0QfjsotM69ca91RQ.PjWv3ipMvoF19YAhMGPSPvtRYPnJhLHtBGIo2Ou2 NqEsb0FjzKxIahmh.HbPystID45vH244URrJquzoDI58zgG86pRDIi1OcPmhjhvR9vIhgVZmVlW0 li2f5THOsJv9aPj0axKsRJqvrjd5kXNQ- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 07:04:40 +0000 Received: from x4e3214de.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([78.50.20.222]) by smtp414.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 79160f8c955b2845b22c0eb655d0512a for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 07:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 09:04:38 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <20180424090438.59097731@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git136 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 07:04:47 -0000 "Audiophile" is for the sound quality? If so it stands and falls with the chosen audio device. A long time ago I tested FreeBSD with a RME HDSPe AIO PCIe card. It's a professional audio quality grade device. I can't comment on FreeBSD real-time abilities, latency, MIDI jitter etc., but ass long as you operate with that much latency, that you'll get no xruns and no other hardware, e.g. the mobo shouldn't cause such an issue, the sound quality has got nothing to do with the chosen OS and just a little bit to do with the chosen software. In short, instead of using a prosumer audio device, you should buy a professional audio device. There isn't much choice, since vendors tend not to support drivers for Linux and FreeBSD. It's possible to use the RME HDSPe AIO PCIe with FreeBSD and Linux, but FreeBSD comes without hdspmixer and under Linux you get hdspmixer, but not all ADAT IOs could be used. Perhaps a class compliant device such as the RME Babyface works with FreeBSD, too. When using Linux, then USB is no issue at all, I own a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20, the usable latency with all IOs used is better than that of my RME PCIe card with just using 4 IOs. However, regarding audio quality you can't compare a pro-sumer Focusrite Scarlett series with any professional RME device, excepted of the ADAT IOs that require an additional device. IOW you could use a pro-sumer Focusrite Scarlett series with a professional ADAT device to get professional audio quality. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 24 09:33:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6BFFC169F for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 09:33:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aikizen@ovh.fr) Received: from mo29.mail-out.ovh.net (mo29.mail-out.ovh.net [178.32.228.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D53687086A for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 09:33:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aikizen@ovh.fr) Received: from he30.mail.ovh.net (he30.mail.ovh.net [188.165.67.38]) by mo29.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B95133F12 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:33:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from WorkMachine (unknown [109.190.197.146]) by he30.mail.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F8D462C459 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:33:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:33:08 +0200 From: AikiZen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> In-Reply-To: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 18004546886470606340 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtgedrkeekgddtvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjpdevjffgvefmvefgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 09:33:20 -0000 Hi, I would like install FreeBSD on my Dell Pr=C3=A9cision M4700. It's a laptop, no possible to change sound card... If i understand well no very difference between Linux and FreeBSD, may be i would like use FreeBSD because there are a new challenge. I just want listening my encoded audio CD and record, may be, my music. Maybe FreeBSD are a best documentation for use, like the handbook and else... Thank for your answer, and take care, Aiki. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 24 11:56:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6673F919E6 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C6A96F73A for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.45.149]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue102 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LvBGU-1eSdRH2Qle-010NlO; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:56:05 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:56:05 +0200 From: Polytropon To: AikiZen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? 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It's a laptop, > no possible to change sound card... In this case, you can still use an "external sound card", i. e., a USB-connected audio device. Of course you should check driver support before buying. If the built-in audio is sufficient for your needs, it will be supported probably by the HDA driver (I have no idea what audio chip is inside a Dell Precision M4700, but the spec mentions "Intel Panther Point PCH - High Definition Audio Controller" which suggests that it'll be the HDA driver). > If i understand well no very difference between Linux and FreeBSD, may > be i would like use FreeBSD because there are a new challenge. That is correct, at least within the margins of your question. > I just want listening my encoded audio CD and record, may be, my music. In this case, FreeBSD is able to provide what you'll need. You probably encoded to MP3 or OGG/Theora? Players are available. But you can also play 1:1 copies ("raw") of audio CDs. I've been doing this in my "home studio" in the past. Many programs for dealing with audio are already available as ported applications, and in many cases, you can use Linux programs on FreeBSD, too. It's probably possible to even use "Windows" programs via wine (but I've never tried that for audio programs). > Maybe FreeBSD are a best documentation for use, like the handbook and > else... FreeBSD's documentation is really good on all levels, compared to specific Linux distributions... ;-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 24 12:43:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394BCFA2FFF for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 12:43:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robroy@robroygregg.com) Received: from mail.robroygregg.com (173-13-147-189-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.13.147.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F60479DE1 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 12:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robroy@robroygregg.com) Received: from beak.h.net (beak.h.net [192.168.32.10]) by mail.robroygregg.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 16d64a03; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 05:37:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Robroy Gregg X-X-Sender: robroy@beak.h.net To: AikiZen cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? In-Reply-To: <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> Message-ID: References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 12:43:44 -0000 Good day Aiki, On Tue, 24 Apr 2018, AikiZen wrote: > I would like install FreeBSD on my Dell Pr?cision M4700. It's a laptop, > no possible to change sound card... ... > I just want listening my encoded audio CD and record, may be, my music. Aiki, FreeBSD forums member Phishfry recommended an M-Audio "MobilePre USB" device to me for this purpose. He found one on eBay for $35 and sent me the link. I've used it with audacity on three (very different) computers running 11.1-RELEASE, and it worked really well on all of them. I now have two microphones attached, and it mixes them together in to one mono channel for audacity to record. A sticker on the bottom of this device reads: PID/Ver: 200F Firmware: V1.03 Date: 11-2008 PN: AU02-071G1 SN: 071G158B03130 On one of my computers it was necessary for me to manually select the recording source, just because it wasn't the default, in audacity. And I did toy around with mixer(1) some. But other than that, it just worked. I don't have enough experience with listening for sound quality to really comment on that aspect of it, but it sounds great to me. I use it almost every single day, and the idea of upgrading to anything fancier hasn't really crossed my mind. It also tends to want gain maxed out with my SM58 microphones, or at 75% or so; the device doesn't seem to support enough amplification to exceed what's required by much, if any. 'not sure why, but this seems to be less noticable with two microphones attached than with only one. It shows up like this when I plug it in: ugen0.7: at usbus0 uaudio0 on uhub4 uaudio0: on usbus0 uaudio0: Play: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Play: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Play: 32000 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Play: 24000 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Play: 22050 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Play: 16000 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Play: 11025 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Play: 8000 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Record: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Record: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Record: 32000 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Record: 24000 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Record: 22050 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Record: 16000 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Record: 11025 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Record: 8000 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: No MIDI sequencer. pcm2: on uaudio0 uaudio0: No HID volume keys found. And it shows up like this also (it's the "USB audio" entry): % cat /dev/sndstat Installed devices: pcm0: (play) pcm1: (play) pcm2: (play/rec) default No devices installed from userspace. Happy days to you Aiki, Robroy From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 24 18:09:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D2DFADF8B for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:09:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic307-7.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic307-7.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [87.248.110.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72D7E683AC for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:09:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: kwRTTDYVM1n3V6gqBNjg2nVO1fOyMzVxvJrQ3ckBzG_rSfb5ugIs8Np0sC7xhw0 b_hzeMtq4O65J5bK.oQZ8dTdnvEZJOwZK49zJCvNmMJPFKNp.RiW80gv4vDXRb2ace7jq0L7TdeF jHKEknazsgEDecOn1dyZSztjOBcdCsDGe8r_vloykUiozaFFpW5njpqVN7XdYUimBWxScPWvc.aN pYwBNyr2QHgAKiTluhnzBt8eATDaJbOH38TZVsXHe5O7XfCylgyE0BzDaxNig3CECnE.7f8gYGE2 MjPWnegjPlKaUEBAvtgLgIXMhrVBFAc5twdBI8Vx0QxOtb9ddBIYEdVSqiwwRH3eG5V4D7QhbTQF h7dCpvDuIYedlCpn_L6J4bVOzmJPUiVbwoAM1mAtaApzAMMjNsXAJXoXmXX1Zj.DMtImH1y9N5fx FzU1RK.7hlsAcBagugxWhjxJd_T6wK0wyaDKW0dL18jjnM6aettecJv3LjcPBJrtU4q1gPtIOoe1 GdVB74GQ2jobOe3Hz1tV2nK6P3q1l_NkO67ljsujHZbG6USAF0Gcbydf61zXAi736e99Kr0ixVcC veXWO2tu4wbXMvaQtRq5D6zkhl7eMDg-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:09:29 +0000 Received: from x4e321546.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([78.50.21.70]) by smtp413.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d6da168d35512099539c3818bce2974d for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:09:24 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <20180424200924.12c648bf@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git136 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:09:37 -0000 On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:33:08 +0200, AikiZen wrote: >It's a laptop, no possible to change sound card... Most likely any elCheapo prosumer USB class compliant audio device provides far better audio quality, than any onboard audio device. This is a prosumer class compliant audio device: https://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_scarlett_2i2_2nd_gen.htm It much likely sounds thousand times better, than an onbaord device. This is a professional class compliant USB audio device: https://www.thomann.de/de/rme_babyface_pro.htm It for sure does sound thousand times better than a prosumer audio device. I don't know your definition of "audiophile", but if you want professional sound you need to use a professional device, that apart from the converters also provides a far better analog domain. Btw. an "audio CD" already provides not that good audio quality. What you need for high end audio quality are 48 KHz, btw. anything higher than 48 KHz gains you nothing, to the contrary, not matching pass filters could make the sound less good and at very high sample rates, the energy does increase, this means the noise floor does increase. 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Tue, 24 Apr 2018 16:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 00:21:31 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <20180424235410.5e175bc6@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20180424200924.12c648bf@archlinux> References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> <20180424200924.12c648bf@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 23:21:36 -0000 On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:09:24 +0200 Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > Btw. an "audio CD" already provides not that good audio quality. What > you need for high end audio quality are 48 KHz, I'd be astonished if you could tell the difference under double blind conditions - even if you are a child. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 01:19:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417F6FB998E for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 01:19:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 777457447A for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 01:19:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w3P1JU7J063795 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:19:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) From: Gary Aitken Subject: recommended setup for building ports in development env? Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, freebsd@dreamchaser.org To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:18:50 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:19:31 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 01:19:40 -0000 Asked this on questions a while ago and got no response; any thoughts would be much appreciated. I'm trying to set up a development environment for a few ports. I established a parallel ports tree and set the environment variables PREFIX=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local WORKDIR=${MYFREEBSD}/var/db/portsnap PORTSDIR=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/ports With those set, I can build and install some things. For example, I can build and install graphics/ufraw, and with my PATH properly extended to include ${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/bin I can execute it. I can also build and install x11/babl into ${MYFREEBSD}. Running a normally built gimp finds the new libbabl located in a different, non-standard place: $ ldd `which gimp` | grep babl libbabl-0.1.so.0 => /usr/home/.../usr/local/lib/libbabl-0.1.so.0 I didn't expect that to work; nice. However, when I go to build graphics/gegl it fails because it can't find the installed babl: ===> gegl-0.3.34 depends on shared library: libbabl-0.1.so - not found If I set LOCALBASE=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local it wants to rebuild all dependencies, since it doesn't find any of the normally installed stuff. Adding -L${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/lib to LDFLAGS -I${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/include to CPPFLAGS in the Makefile doesn't solve the problem. Is there a good solution to this, or do I have to set LOCALBASE with the resulting build of everything else, not just the things that I need to upgrade for this work? Hopefully there's a way to extend the normal search path for port builds? Thanks for any hints, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 06:22:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A069FBE07A for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 06:22:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic310-12.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic310-12.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3C496AE16 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 06:22:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: d.G7hKQVM1ndJrz0ZLraGVSqgDkWBa4amdS7M4aopbcizntY2aYddTbvVlYdk75 N0kh8xXQGZR5bnFa9c9DBCR7KRLir2Nh.anmo0vD8lPR6RfFDRVprTY1Jdx53j4r_OQArMMQf5fb rdj4BHZPYZoI_yPkHUbRGhwEoWLaejMXBYJuARVisJf3SNnXhydWQleHCvaNg866XxKxn4YIBAfy GQXT7xp3ESdWjnlL.LoVvhEi.1QTg66qKg76rKyUmL5JmwpJ.Po7pgZa1h0JjgjaOMAVCIR.hWNs _fBMWF7joC52iu2HRP.w_zJyICOH53HxPBNLCcJU4RLG6iSTQaVrPNyDaTt9RWWkJtbL9ICGUq0J JvM427PNxqz921b_3hScc2WjVB061XiwZCMJn_nXYMtfYzQ0UD0x64oy24WsOBDOKYw0uzZC0Ir1 z5ytia28XOIic.j3COAsacvKn.8qbwNxhNv2zuWnVddGxzuQtfAMpnilxiPcYNNuBFgv12eXxHtc ItyEwfqpivr3Y4urMca.XdGv4YBPkEk3V8iPW5LNRxXS9HhQoPewJPQSpYZpgbV6NHVvah.PaxjG mkG9VDH5g9RNjVR3o6Gx1x.hZ61Lb.ma7ctDMAxXflZCcXiRFUBrawzxWlk52lQ9_29IIADOguKn Ahw-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic310.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 06:22:11 +0000 Received: from x4e321471.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([78.50.20.113]) by smtp414.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 8e7034d0b62a02145d475e546f266df5 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 06:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:12:04 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <20180425081204.34bb8047@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20180424235410.5e175bc6@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> <20180424200924.12c648bf@archlinux> <20180424235410.5e175bc6@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git136 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 06:22:19 -0000 On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 00:21:31 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:09:24 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> Btw. an "audio CD" already provides not that good audio quality. What >> you need for high end audio quality are 48 KHz, > >I'd be astonished if you could tell the difference under double blind >conditions - even if you are a child. I'd be surprised, if most adults with trained hearing would be unable to perceive a difference. To keep it short, I'll quote a short and raw explanation: "> frankly, 48k may be a good enough for distribution, but it is > sub-optimal not for production ... and it is horrible for digital > synthesis. Only if you use 'primitive' algorithms. Unfortunately there's a lot of those around. In summary, 96 or 192 kHz will allow you to use simpler algorithms. That may be a good reason for higher sampler rates, but it doesn't mean you can't have the same performance at 48 kHz. Another good reason for higher sampling rates is that the antialising filters in the converters can have a much wider transition band (assuming you don't actually use the higher bandwidth), leading to much reduced latency. It's the reason why 'digital snakes' used in PA system usually work at 96 kHz. By starting the transition band at 24 kHz or so they can use very short filters, a fraction of a millisecond for some. The same matter makes all the difference between 44.1 and 48 kHz." - http://linux-audio.4202.n7.nabble.com/jack-oversampling-td89817.html Loosely speaking: It all depends on the tuning. You could assume that most gear and software works best at 48 KHz, this is professional audio studio standard and apart from audio CD, consumer standard, too. However, depending on your amp, your speakers or any other part of the audio chain or depending on the recorded signal, such as e.g. an electric guitar played via a Celestion speaker, you might be even unable to hear any loss when using DAT longplay (32 KHz, 12 bit non-linear). Since the subject is "audiophile sound on FreeBSD" I recommend to go with a RME audio interface or another professional audio interface. The OP should ensure that an audio interface that claims to be "professional" isn't just a "prosumer" audio interface. Without doubts, 48 KHz is the best choice. When using a professional audio interface, with an elCheapo Hifi amp and supermarket speakers, you wont be able to hear the good analog audio quality of your professional audio interface. If you can't hear the good analog audio quality, you can't notice any issues of different sample rates. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 08:56:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED171FC06EC for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:55:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@freebsd.org) Received: from mailrelay111.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay111.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.20.138]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "relay.skynet.be", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 551456C7ED for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:55:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@freebsd.org) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes IronPort-PHdr: =?us-ascii?q?9a23=3A6nPCAxAzX/jbHzFj+XWVUyQJP3N1i/DPJgcQr6Af?= =?us-ascii?q?oPdwSPv+psbcNUDSrc9gkEXOFd2Cra4c0KyO6+jJYi8p2d65qncMcZhBBVcuqP?= =?us-ascii?q?49uEgeOvODElDxN/XwbiY3T4xoXV5h+GynYwAOQJ6tL1LdrWev4jEMBx7xKRR6?= =?us-ascii?q?JvjvGo7Vks+7y/2+94fcbglUijexe69+IAmrpgjNq8cahpdvJLwswRXTuHtIfO?= =?us-ascii?q?pWxWJsJV2Nmhv3+9m98p1+/SlOovwt78FPX7n0cKQ+VrxYES8pM3sp683xtBnM?= =?us-ascii?q?VhWA630BWWgLiBVIAgzF7BbnXpfttybxq+Rw1DWGMcDwULs5Xymp4aV2Rx/ykC?= =?us-ascii?q?oJOT43/n/KhMJzjq1brh2uqABwzYPPfIGYNuZycr/Bcd8GW2ZMWNtaWSxbAoO7?= =?us-ascii?q?aosCF/QPPedar4n5ulADsxy+BQ63BOzxzz9HnHn23bYn2OkmDQHG3Q4gH9YVvX?= =?us-ascii?q?rUttX6KrkdXP2owqfG1znDaOlW2Tjk5YXObxsvoumMUKpzfMbM00UjCQzIgkiK?= =?us-ascii?q?pYD7Iz+ZyP4Bv3Wb4uduU++klnQppBtroje1w8chkozJhoUIxV/a7Sh524M1Jc?= =?us-ascii?q?GgSE58fN6kDINctyGEOItyRcMvW2Jotzw+yr0HvJ60YjIKyJM9yx7DavyHcYyI?= =?us-ascii?q?7gj/W+aWJjd4n2xqeLeliBa06kis0Or8VtO70FpSrypFlMfDtmwV2hHQ98SLUO?= =?us-ascii?q?Vx80i81TqVyQzf9v9ILVopmafbJZMt2rswmYASsUTHEC/2gkL2jKqOe0U4++io?= =?us-ascii?q?6eDnb67opp+GKYB7lBrxMr8zlcClBuQ4KAcOU3CB+eugzL3j4VH5QLJSg/04iK?= =?us-ascii?q?nWro7VKt8ApqGkGgNVy5sj5AikDze60dQYmn8HLEledRKJlYjmJU/BL+vjDfii?= =?us-ascii?q?mVisly1rx/+VdoHmV7rENGmLubb9frt7oxpS0gc+x8tTz55OB7gEK/L6QULr8t?= =?us-ascii?q?vCAUlqHRazxrPbCdd5nqgZXnmCB6afK+uGrV6K4soBOeSBTrQ5/jHnJK52tLbV?= =?us-ascii?q?kXYllApFLuGS1pwNZSXgEw=3D=3D?= X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2C2DwCRQeBa/5nK8VFbHAEBAQQBAQoBA?= =?us-ascii?q?YNDUw56KIxKjB4BAYFzMQFdlQUmhFECgwIiOBQBAgEBAQEBAQIBaxwMgjUigkw?= =?us-ascii?q?BBTocIxALDgoJJQ8qHgYTG4R4qSWIRYI/ih+EGopHAodVkCwIhV6IWWiLc5FaM?= =?us-ascii?q?yGBUk0wCIJ+CYxkg2M9MJBQAQE?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2C2DwCRQeBa/5nK8VFbHAEBAQQBAQoBAYNDUw56KIxKjB4?= =?us-ascii?q?BAYFzMQFdlQUmhFECgwIiOBQBAgEBAQEBAQIBaxwMgjUigkwBBTocIxALDgoJJ?= =?us-ascii?q?Q8qHgYTG4R4qSWIRYI/ih+EGopHAodVkCwIhV6IWWiLc5FaMyGBUk0wCIJ+CYx?= =?us-ascii?q?kg2M9MJBQAQE?= Received: from 153.202-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([81.241.202.153]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 25 Apr 2018 10:54:48 +0200 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w3P8slVr010686; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 10:54:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tijl@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 10:54:47 +0200 From: Tijl Coosemans To: Gary Aitken Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: recommended setup for building ports in development env? Message-ID: <20180425105447.7d69d2b9@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:56:00 -0000 On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:18:50 -0600 Gary Aitken wrote: > Asked this on questions a while ago and got no response; > any thoughts would be much appreciated. > > I'm trying to set up a development environment for a few ports. > I established a parallel ports tree and set the environment variables > PREFIX=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local > WORKDIR=${MYFREEBSD}/var/db/portsnap > PORTSDIR=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/ports > > With those set, I can build and install some things. > > For example, I can build and install graphics/ufraw, and with my PATH > properly extended to include ${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/bin I can execute it. > I can also build and install x11/babl into ${MYFREEBSD}. > Running a normally built gimp finds the new libbabl located in a > different, non-standard place: > $ ldd `which gimp` | grep babl > libbabl-0.1.so.0 => /usr/home/.../usr/local/lib/libbabl-0.1.so.0 > I didn't expect that to work; nice. > > However, when I go to build graphics/gegl it fails because it can't find > the installed babl: > ===> gegl-0.3.34 depends on shared library: libbabl-0.1.so - not found > > If I set > LOCALBASE=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local > it wants to rebuild all dependencies, since it doesn't find any of the > normally installed stuff. > > Adding > -L${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/lib to LDFLAGS > -I${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/include to CPPFLAGS > in the Makefile doesn't solve the problem. > > Is there a good solution to this, or do I have to set LOCALBASE with the > resulting build of everything else, not just the things that I need to > upgrade for this work? Hopefully there's a way to extend the normal > search path for port builds? > > Thanks for any hints, Try setting LIB_DIRS. Its default value is "/lib /usr/lib ${LOCALBASE}/lib". From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 09:41:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FF9FC1BF9 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 09:41:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g8kbvdave@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22d.google.com (mail-wm0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 626E375C25 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 09:41:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g8kbvdave@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id o78so5638858wmg.0 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 02:41:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=FeBBXBccuVK4PY1tdnyb1AWPYI5bAfw1n/VO1DVlGU0=; b=RyU/KFEcvRB7buwk8mw/gSRolbn4DqcYuQpCGiwwX17B1dJntnH01EI4mnhH6uZHE/ aRqdVjpxwog6UG4tBkpmkPeeXbOYbq6h+HeseQgfKHQCClH6aq3bSHxw6Ch8141VzRa7 D120rD9L2EDrKKRwE78FbcID9zK3rZXcge96g500UYAYRuk7/wUuBziXh1RaCv8A1okd 6bGLVBf83k5KybYTu6frFTFGfGMkrW5kWW5BdZEVH7sR9D6JF8efb2bDIz0Jp+YOXkdZ 0jV9EXEYa+z6Sc7MaXd60lPZpwnw8H0ehR4qfyPmItLvS1Gf8M6WPWQD6KnEPYbiREYJ cBJA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tBwuq17w65TrEhpB2FMTsZ2L5JkbBNxgLmgp0vPt7/FJpo6lQyo 6LtdqF1yGB5EP79Fx2COlB9GjDFE X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4/I3KvA/mggUiNn2vCOa/Xzky5nL3Kn5QrwUQpg9bz1u3mu5LesTYplPK8nBJDWypJ1WtvJcw== X-Received: by 10.28.13.201 with SMTP id 192mr15098158wmn.117.1524649281474; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 02:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.55] ([217.41.35.220]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k23-v6sm17591056wrc.59.2018.04.25.02.41.20 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 25 Apr 2018 02:41:20 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Dave B Subject: Might be of interest to some. F'BSD Spectre/Meltdown patching Message-ID: <2328d928-b1a8-c54e-c3c0-07787dcc7a87@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 10:41:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 09:41:24 -0000 Hi. This crossed my path today.   May be of interest to people on this list. https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-patch-meltdown-and-spectre-vulnerabilities-on-freebsd/ Regards. 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I am not able to tell you why 'digital' sound is so bad. A friend of mine has real good 'analog' sound equipment. After noticing that he has an original LP of a CD of mine, we plugged normal digital equipment in. Every child could hear the difference. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 11:49:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9790AFA2C6A; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:49:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idefix@fechner.net) Received: from anny.lostinspace.de (anny.lostinspace.de [195.30.95.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 278456FFC8; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:49:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idefix@fechner.net) Received: from server.idefix.lan (168-057-210-188.ip-addr.inexio.net [188.210.57.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: idefix@fechner.net) by anny.lostinspace.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B716611814EA; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 13:49:27 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=fechner.net; s=default; t=1524656967; bh=mffUnk3enFvNxVXRUZJyMX3LgMf547+MJyMovipsklw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=aUBN38E2Fk4WL+YlC74SsUT+jwsrWmDmCo4yZBJbf/9GUpMg1S29vsnCv0G5kLUbp wCsxupalWZE0WEH9zwZtUDRC0eFsC3qmYJxutxnwi3K5Fy19SFtvQ1FikjxG8/1u7p xJZ1kJe1ss1+nKdW4LTGygsI15zDED4iHabZ8KII= Received: from server.idefix.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.idefix.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A9F10BC6D7; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 13:49:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from server.idefix.lan (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by server.idefix.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD1710BC6D3; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 13:49:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at fechner.net Received: from server.idefix.lan ([127.0.0.1]) by server.idefix.lan (server.idefix.lan [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Ua3JRBFbNEcv; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 13:49:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.fechner.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.idefix.lan (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C38EF10BC6CE; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 13:49:24 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 13:49:24 +0200 From: Matthias Fechner To: Dave B Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Might be of interest to some. F'BSD Spectre/Meltdown patching In-Reply-To: <2328d928-b1a8-c54e-c3c0-07787dcc7a87@googlemail.com> References: <2328d928-b1a8-c54e-c3c0-07787dcc7a87@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4c838bcbc0342aa0602c92366f75d390@fechner.net> X-Sender: idefix@fechner.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:49:36 -0000 Am 25.04.2018 11:41, schrieb Dave B via freebsd-questions: > This crossed my path today.   May be of interest to people on this > list. > > https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-patch-meltdown-and-spectre-vulnerabilities-on-freebsd/ also make sure to have current microcode updates by installing and configure: devcpu-data-1.16 Intel and AMD CPUs microcode updates -- Gruß Matthias From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 12:13:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907AFFA4273 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 12:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14CF8775F4 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 12:13:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1524658393; x=1527250393; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=asl/SplO+iD+0ix52z+6RvlJael85l0eR8DdQYaT/g8=; b=E4Xqs3aIdRmlIorethoojm3l+b9hTBJZKtwejwmx8ZfDQDNu6urIDtelpbpiX34lYs6idqfnyO9CodlUFnkGWWJVJWd371F36M2UfvWcX4N5jWasfo4j0tBieFqwIJtt3J7u/teezRcwn8chzD5CuYvqqBvu90/t79sIFFt+YjY= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi45ODAwMDAwMDIxZmZjMy5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 25 Apr 2018 07:12:53 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 25 Apr 2018 07:12:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1fBILx-0007tp-PE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:12:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 12:12:49 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Message-Id: <20180425121249.3de329616ad9c07822e5e572@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20180425185330.70fb9b1e.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> <20180424200924.12c648bf@archlinux> <20180424235410.5e175bc6@gumby.homeunix.com> <20180425185330.70fb9b1e.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 12:13:12 -0000 On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:53:30 +0800 Erich Dollansky wrote: > After noticing that he has an original LP of > a CD of mine, we plugged normal digital equipment in. Every child could > hear the difference. There are substantial differences between what is recorded on an LP and what is recorded on a CD even if they start from the same master tape. The audio for the LP will have been processed with RIAA (to be reversed by the pre-amp on playback) while the audio for the CD will have been filtered sharply to prevent aliasing. Then the audio for the LP will be mastered onto the LP with some care (possibly compression being applied) to ensure that the groove spacing is adequate to the amplitude being recorded while the audio for the CD will be digitised. The playback pitch accuracy will depend on the rotation speed of the turntable for the LP and for the readout speed of the CD mechanism for the CD (which may or may not be buffered to prevent mechanical jitter*). IOW they're bound to sound different - as to which is more accurate you'd need to do a double blind test against the monitors the mixing engineer used (at least I *think* that's the most valid reference). *: I recall reading many years ago that some recording engineers could tell which machine a digital recording was mastered on because of the characteristic timing jitter imposed by the machine onto the recording. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 14:26:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98252FA7521 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:26:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4184F72B47 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:26:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7726121C2E for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 10:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 25 Apr 2018 10:26:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zyxst.net; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm2; bh=l1tBdHNp/m5FIXEFEVP37NHL39Hy8hVIzlpwuCMjqGY=; b=Oos31oGi lETV/mTkTokoybiqNvGxv8xMT74pZIy3sGRpCQnaRJ6QIt5Pnj/h2YRh+2qCm7ac lB0KJiiEOozjkvUjxDqSrdghJP4QhONQeDW5GNuAnQZLwh9PG+ajxThT6pStSTuu iGSix+wJlKl4p36nhawU5fSaIY8lmrx0SU0vQlR2FngpbZAvZSgnUIoVCfNMHV6l LBuj6C7eissIEz7xGqQ3HNP8d4zn2yuEVDsP0SNgA3kFSrcZGX7p5zTXOvtpT1yT erZYm6NZ7U7g4bFEmyq6xuKWcmpgDp7+B54/gYdChcauQUX8w4jUutK3XdOS3ulm BxK02buNNwTKtg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=l1tBdHNp/m5FIXEFEVP37NHL39Hy8 hVIzlpwuCMjqGY=; b=PoVFkwZWmxCUd/K+Zssdna+4rYJSKYtKOcxuoSLT60e66 o3njzVpdubK6IVpLMajpOF+nTQ5zfbpsL4ryMb/IIJr08CCu/XIrprUNjrijN6iF wB2IIJZ2UyDmCE00V28hddw20/iFIZDUDvnJSepvWw6A2ikBtKCUl6GFMGLAm1Au vBQsxraPJkYymJozX0kqxOMu/7y8PQ4DMtkG9mj9lxTMlyUABLdLk/PanFDLpNlV NLmi6y1qHvUNV5FfMWHX1BqnHLuX8V0cbdC2TeqxCYvND7TsyL4crIXzaumC7VZd XIsoA/pxeraxLs/eeAkpBkP3gG1LTrTJ6Al6XMTUg== X-ME-Sender: Received: from desktop.local (parsley.growveg.org [82.70.91.97]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DD680E49E9 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 10:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 15:26:06 +0100 From: tech-lists@zyxst.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: bash history buffer output mangled after repeated up-arrow Message-ID: <20180425142605.GA39933@desktop.local> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.5 (2018-04-13) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:26:09 -0000 hi, I've noticed now, for a while (like maybe over a year) that if you're in bash shell, hitting up-arrow (which usually loads history -1) multiple times will result in part of history becoming the prompt. I use csh as login shell now because csh doesn't have this problem. I can re-create the issue by logging in then doing the following: % bash $ . .profile hit uparrow a few times (in this case, 15 times), it gets to this in its history: bzcat /var/log/messages.1.bz2 |less prompt is now: [john@desktop ~]$ bzcat /var<--cursor is here waiting for input [keep hitting up arrow] now it's [john@desktop ~]$ ls -lah .g[history] where [history] is=20 find /usr/src/sys/sys/param.h -mtime; echo backspacing to (in this case) [john@desktop ~]$ ls -lah .g (which is as far as one can backspace on that line) and hitting return, restored the=20 normal prompt position. Repeatedly hitting up-arrow mangles bash history. it doesn't happen in csh. Not tried other shells. It only happens on freebsd boxes (11-stable and later). I've not seen it happen on linuxen=20 (raspabian, mint, ubuntu, centos). It doesn't matter if bash is built from= =20 source or installed via pkg. Doesn't matter if fdescfs is mounted or not. It still happens if I create a fresh freebsd-11-stable VM, log into it, install bash. Any ideas? thanks, --=20 J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 17:23:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF25FAB031 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 17:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0139B778A2; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 17:23:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w3PHNAGS066845; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:23:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: recommended setup for building ports in development env? To: Tijl Coosemans Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20180425105447.7d69d2b9@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <0cf315a5-dedf-29b9-13de-32240b52a5ad@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:22:30 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180425105447.7d69d2b9@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:23:10 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 17:23:13 -0000 On 04/25/18 02:54, Tijl Coosemans wrote: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:18:50 -0600 Gary Aitken wrote: >> Asked this on questions a while ago and got no response; >> any thoughts would be much appreciated. >> >> I'm trying to set up a development environment for a few ports. >> I established a parallel ports tree and set the environment variables >> PREFIX=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local >> WORKDIR=${MYFREEBSD}/var/db/portsnap >> PORTSDIR=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/ports >> >> With those set, I can build and install some things. >> >> For example, I can build and install graphics/ufraw, and with my PATH >> properly extended to include ${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/bin I can execute it. >> I can also build and install x11/babl into ${MYFREEBSD}. >> Running a normally built gimp finds the new libbabl located in a >> different, non-standard place: >> $ ldd `which gimp` | grep babl >> libbabl-0.1.so.0 => /usr/home/.../usr/local/lib/libbabl-0.1.so.0 >> I didn't expect that to work; nice. >> >> However, when I go to build graphics/gegl it fails because it can't find >> the installed babl: >> ===> gegl-0.3.34 depends on shared library: libbabl-0.1.so - not found >> >> If I set >> LOCALBASE=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local >> it wants to rebuild all dependencies, since it doesn't find any of the >> normally installed stuff. >> >> Adding >> -L${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/lib to LDFLAGS >> -I${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/include to CPPFLAGS >> in the Makefile doesn't solve the problem. >> >> Is there a good solution to this, or do I have to set LOCALBASE with the >> resulting build of everything else, not just the things that I need to >> upgrade for this work? Hopefully there's a way to extend the normal >> search path for port builds? ... > Try setting LIB_DIRS. Its default value is "/lib /usr/lib ${LOCALBASE}/lib". Thanks, that mostly did the trick. However, I still have an issue with a library which resides in a subdir of /usr/local/lib: ===> gegl-0.3.34 depends on shared library: libcgraph.so - not found $ pkg info -l graphviz ... /usr/local/lib/graphviz/libcgraph.so /usr/local/lib/graphviz/libcgraph.so.6 /usr/local/lib/graphviz/libcgraph.so.6.0.0 I tried tweaking the Makefile: LIB_DEPENDS+= graphviz/libcgraph.so:graphics/graphviz but that fails: Error: pattern graphviz/libcgraph.so in LIB_DEPENDS is not valid Also tried some permutations with trailing '/' and '/*' on the directory with no success. I could not find any discussion of this situation in the porter's handbook, probably because it "just works" building in /usr/ports. I can get it to work by explicitly adding the subdir as another element of LIB_DIRS but that seems wrong; I have 92 subdirs to /usr/local/lib. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 17:54:06 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE528FAB7F2 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 17:54:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A7587D511 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 17:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from roundcube.fjl.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3PHm0aX079515 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:48:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:48:00 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt To: Freebsd Questions Subject: Backing up to tape Message-ID: <4a136190a89f631efabcc6fb803e8119@roundcube.fjl.org.uk> X-Sender: freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 17:54:07 -0000 Old LTO drives are cheap and offer a good $/Gb. And I could do with some archiving. But it's been a while since I used tape (System V IIRC). Are my assumptions correct? If I plug a SAS drive in to an HBA it'll just appear as /dev/sa0 (or similar) - right? Then I can backup everything with tar -cf /dev/sa0 /* - right? Well I could if my HD was small or the tape was big, as the tar documentation says "There is not yet any support for multi-volume archives." Does the tape driver take care of this (i.e. "Insert Tape 2 and press a key") or does it just bomb? I like tar for archiving stuff, but is dump/restore the way to go? Probably not, because you can't specify files really. And I'm probably more likely to backup ZFS datasets these days, so would be relying on the tape driver to handle multi-volume tape sets. One idea I have is to write a very quick and dirty program and pipe the output of tar to it, and have it write to the tape unit - pausing for tape changes. This is so obvious that it must already exist, or be a bad idea for a subtle reason I haven't spotted. Is anyone using tape able to confirm any of this one way or another? Thanks, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 17:56:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30744FAB8BC for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 17:56:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from out2-3.antispamcloud.com (out2-3.antispamcloud.com [185.201.17.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3B0D7D5C6 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 17:56:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from [153.92.8.106] (helo=srv31.niagahoster.com) by mx64.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fBOeb-0005e6-0u; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 19:56:30 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sumeritec.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=QSU7ePTVDfS95pbP7IM2/+BRRzIu0JIvIXdJRnOLHao=; b=rNCM3do4kr6jcxPGt+mphn/fcN jJksr68F64EDDtnM1lUzT0BKP3ar3lINzkPa4mHNY0eP8+Tqw8rP/tZHaWnJiXLBrV4HIP9xPD8IR TpngJDdzA+2XAnOeqqdsYQ2S9uFxAvnD4TwyN9KiHpC3nSgVPJJR1V8eUQq+2agm4jm/6WJh2O4Hi Gj3qjLhiStVBARnqjTCjWCJy2RGUngPMQIt5DX5arqGaZcTAvn1b85uOqZmOen3lvbDcFxadHrQWL epqnC36qn3qUC6pwTu7sn/1IAkcA7jgRupUBvLOC/EU+nUZZkAEwTT8aJWAxUhlQ3GX8u6Hy+hdPx WVxI0YNg==; Received: from [114.125.101.18] (port=37353 helo=X220.sumeritec.com) by srv31.niagahoster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fBOeR-0008ym-CI; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 00:56:23 +0700 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:56:17 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? 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Every child > > could hear the difference. > > There are substantial differences between what is recorded on > an LP and what is recorded on a CD even if they start from the same > master tape. the LP was even purchased before CDs were even invented. So, real old stuff with all the other noises a CD does not have. > > The audio for the LP will have been processed with RIAA (to be > reversed by the pre-amp on playback) while the audio for the CD will > have been filtered sharply to prevent aliasing. > > Then the audio for the LP will be mastered onto the LP with > some care (possibly compression being applied) to ensure that the > groove spacing is adequate to the amplitude being recorded while the > audio for the CD will be digitised. > > The playback pitch accuracy will depend on the rotation speed > of the turntable for the LP and for the readout speed of the CD > mechanism for the CD (which may or may not be buffered to prevent > mechanical jitter*). > > IOW they're bound to sound different - as to which is more > accurate you'd need to do a double blind test against the monitors > the mixing engineer used (at least I *think* that's the most valid > reference). > > *: I recall reading many years ago that some recording > engineers could tell which machine a digital recording was mastered on > because of the characteristic timing jitter imposed by the machine > onto the recording. > There is not doubt for me. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 18:11:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC180FABE25 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:11:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670AB80A85 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:11:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 0E62C33C22; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:10:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bash history buffer output mangled after repeated up-arrow References: <20180425142605.GA39933@desktop.local> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:10:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20180425142605.GA39933@desktop.local> (tech-lists@zyxst.net's message of "Wed, 25 Apr 2018 15:26:06 +0100") Message-ID: <44muxr6tse.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:11:05 -0000 tech-lists@zyxst.net writes: > hi, > > I've noticed now, for a while (like maybe over a year) that if you're in > bash shell, hitting up-arrow (which usually loads history -1) multiple > times will result in part of history becoming the prompt. > > I use csh as login shell now because csh doesn't have this problem. > > I can re-create the issue by logging in then doing the following: > % bash > $ . .profile > hit uparrow a few times (in this case, 15 times), it gets to this in its > history: > bzcat /var/log/messages.1.bz2 |less > > prompt is now: > [john@desktop ~]$ bzcat /var<--cursor is here waiting for input > > [keep hitting up arrow] > now it's [john@desktop ~]$ ls -lah .g[history] where [history] is find > /usr/src/sys/sys/param.h -mtime; echo > > backspacing to (in this case) [john@desktop ~]$ ls -lah .g (which is as > far as one can backspace on that line) and hitting return, restored > the normal prompt position. Repeatedly hitting up-arrow mangles bash > history. > > it doesn't happen in csh. Not tried other shells. It only happens on > freebsd boxes (11-stable and later). I've not seen it happen on > linuxen (raspabian, mint, ubuntu, centos). It doesn't matter if bash > is built from source or installed via pkg. Doesn't matter if fdescfs > is mounted or not. > It still happens if I create a fresh freebsd-11-stable VM, log into it, > install bash. > > Any ideas? It doesn't happen to me. Maybe you've got something weird in your .profile? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 18:18:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EE5FAC10C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stargrave@mail2.stargrave.org) Received: from mail.stargrave.org (mail.stargrave.org [91.242.163.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5BD83179 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:18:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stargrave@mail2.stargrave.org) Received: from pppoe-static.mosoblast.rt.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f13:aa9::2]) by mail.stargrave.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCEAD7A7A for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:10:18 +0300 (MSK) Received: by pppoe-static.mosoblast.rt.ru (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 744A36F5C8; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:10:17 +0300 (MSK) Received: by stargrave.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 52F3480DD; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:10:02 +0300 (MSK) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:10:02 +0300 From: Sergey Matveev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backing up to tape Message-ID: <20180425181002.GA78999@stargrave.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4a136190a89f631efabcc6fb803e8119@roundcube.fjl.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4a136190a89f631efabcc6fb803e8119@roundcube.fjl.org.uk> OpenPGP: id=AE1A8109E49857EF; url=http://www.stargrave.org/.well-known/openpgpkey/hu/s8kd45yyt8ymu6uttefkjkngyagsui5x.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.5 (2018-04-13) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:18:04 -0000 *** Frank Leonhardt [2018-04-25 21:00]: >If I plug a SAS drive in to an HBA it'll just appear as /dev/sa0 (or similar) >- right? > >Then I can backup everything with tar -cf /dev/sa0 /* - right? > >Is anyone using tape able to confirm any of this one way or another? I have purchased Ultrium LTO5 SAS tape drive for several months ago and use it with HardenedBSD. Everything you wrote is right. It appears (connected through SAS HBA) as /dev/sa0, /dev/nsa0, /dev/esa0 and you can directly use tar with it without any problems. mt command allows you to rewind and seek records on the tape. And neither native tar supports multivolume archives nor tape drive will do anything with it -- you have to split volumes manually somehow. You can easily do something like: zfs send zroot > /dev/sa0 to write your ZFS dataset directly to the tape and then restore from it. -- Sergey Matveev (http://www.stargrave.org/) OpenPGP: CF60 E89A 5923 1E76 E263 6422 AE1A 8109 E498 57EF From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 18:54:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D11FACBBC for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic309-25.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic309-25.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9F666C0BB for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: dLR4RkAVM1kNVEdtDWysIGf.cYrM1eMffETnxxQXIjHdnKc3AhC6nIU7429OZhP lpg4W6RFD76VfRsTsAN7uD83ixVUZHaQe3MZIcAyO.kijLFH61WE_PV8ENTvEmREve7jjqJ51W.G VP.fCcLvJd2taCsNsqc9GUQ7AvQJZe6x8MjMnN40icUzanAEltnmy3LpoC1_fEbFtwkvEAOoyovD xsxPZ_fzZes5dlGKlRp.J87CyO7ENrrt10T7qIJDiA_WmXrthVF01PdgrYYTAMmnlBU4yw7Yecc4 rN035hAkNuf3RcPhDaoeHniQvKILPOgYQTfCza0CH6tjLQICm7gO_nEeF_8CIUnLnYi0v7714RIL CTDHZFXUrrjzQsVsj6EKBgOHn7EBJ8rOraJChc7MMunsqKYUQhqRoKJ19J8FB90nn8CHkLqwwjiN BZOlp82TzWvTe3S4L9VxbFojEnCmT8AzSv9Zd9tTmWBpomk1NTxwHKmhlNloZezWDqWwjBrk_XQf 3TE0tgrob2dG7HjkqcQJzQOXda3jCJ9XJLVkOxuUKIeu42sBQB..0OprpzK4zhzGU_s3m3hPIKvD 1_epllKQHB6mhVP3QDiXoPErG7Z8E2ht_jXbg1HFsRdfaPgexYUo6TEUkirbBwyMDOZQZqiwnEa_ v Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:54:49 +0000 Received: from x4e32150c.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([78.50.21.12]) by smtp428.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 5b26ae13bec6473c3f88bcd6f8d13d39 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:54:45 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <20180425205445.5aa66caa@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20180426015617.08c89a40.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> <20180424200924.12c648bf@archlinux> <20180424235410.5e175bc6@gumby.homeunix.com> <20180425185330.70fb9b1e.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20180425121249.3de329616ad9c07822e5e572@sohara.org> <20180426015617.08c89a40.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git136 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 18:54:58 -0000 However, if plain analog equipment does sound better than digital equipment or not is off-topic. Still important is, that even digital gear at some point converts from/to analog and apart from the quality of the converters, the quality of the digital gear's analog domain does matter a lot. If you want to experience a high class headphone amp, listen to the headphone output of a RME card and compare it with another good headphone amp, fed by a digital output of a the same RME card or by a balanced or unbalanced analog output of the same card. Usually the result is that clear, that there's no need for blind or double blind tests. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 19:38:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AB9FADB8E for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 19:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88EF37440B for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 19:38:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w3PJcXNf056494 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:38:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: bash history buffer output mangled after repeated up-arrow To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20180425142605.GA39933@desktop.local> <44muxr6tse.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> From: Tim Daneliuk Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=tundra@tundraware.com; 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Agreed. Remove your .bash_history, .profile and .bashrc files temporarily and see if the problem changes or goes away. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 19:51:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613CFFAE44C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 19:51:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aikizen@ovh.fr) Received: from mo29.mail-out.ovh.net (mo29.mail-out.ovh.net [178.32.228.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20EA7765F3 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 19:51:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aikizen@ovh.fr) Received: from he30.mail.ovh.net (he30.mail.ovh.net [188.165.67.38]) by mo29.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A5533E19; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:51:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from WorkMachine (unknown [109.190.197.146]) by he30.mail.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6BFF6630AD7; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:51:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:51:40 +0200 From: AikiZen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <20180425215140.4d242a3b@WorkMachine> In-Reply-To: <20180424200924.12c648bf@archlinux> References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> <20180424200924.12c648bf@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 15874907213577199108 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: -100 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtgedrledtgddugeegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuqfggjfdpvefjgfevmfevgfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 19:51:46 -0000 Hi, and thank all for your reply, i read with care. I have this usb audio card :=C2=A0https://www.thomann.de/fr/presonus_audiobox_usb_96.htm?ref=3Dse= arch_prv_3 It's the good card ? In my home i have an kenwood audio amplifier with good speaker. I will encode my CD under FLAC audio codec, it's the good way ? Where good configuration for FLAC=C2=A0encode ? Take care, aiki. Le Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:09:24 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions a =C3=A9crit : > On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:33:08 +0200, AikiZen wrote: > >It's a laptop, no possible to change sound card... =20 >=20 > Most likely any elCheapo prosumer USB class compliant audio device > provides far better audio quality, than any onboard audio device. >=20 > This is a prosumer class compliant audio device: >=20 > https://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_scarlett_2i2_2nd_gen.htm >=20 > It much likely sounds thousand times better, than an onbaord device. >=20 > This is a professional class compliant USB audio device: >=20 > https://www.thomann.de/de/rme_babyface_pro.htm >=20 > It for sure does sound thousand times better than a prosumer audio > device. >=20 > I don't know your definition of "audiophile", but if you want > professional sound you need to use a professional device, that apart > from the converters also provides a far better analog domain. >=20 > Btw. an "audio CD" already provides not that good audio quality. What > you need for high end audio quality are 48 KHz, btw. anything higher > than 48 KHz gains you nothing, to the contrary, not matching pass > filters could make the sound less good and at very high sample rates, > the energy does increase, this means the noise floor does increase. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 20:08:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35B2FAEEBD for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic307-7.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic307-7.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [87.248.110.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E35E7BF99 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: Su9BgXsVM1l0gCLHQnP2kXwlmsY6e90m.MPHJXdWcpbb9hntHv9r9TWXK6od75T XzQLpaHRFDFdC.c8sT7F9_BfsPrHWaLbFdcSbHQ7CqaqEiZ7LPd_caQSIj0A90I7H1yMKEfZ34Kc BWXY1z2cKqx2a5E.hxWzTF1vPsrC42Kf_71Txuj71CHb.TNU9w9ukhImx4..cNKxqIyhlJmwD_67 myYqnP82Hp4tjVo1t6Gq4MujYfNdhqYYFwG_P4Jfq5PhKCUruoeK1JVLpE_Z0SAgLzKkMXUQpA5l qX_qiuANFsX8rciwMhgzISYuqxqY0ZFT4NOeGIlXZVW6Fa8OAdzrWYM1tE0aQxs.n.C2frUmhqkx iapIqODXa18NV1NoLRNn97uirXhZOt7EtwsmHz5mVwcGi7zR3mwGC3ldjmCFVUaQbFDOTub0JleD aBXXBwcay9ZTVeUz4N1PL27rDgsvXR4QTzLki4Rj0c5iiKuR4CovpfXDycbgp00UtT.v4BZOh.kK O.YdZoRtbBbsW9Ew_0BydGqM08i8gW5cwyfUv7LFHGVEGc3jjgAWb1cgH5NMWa.URmlgFPsp.LJj 1xmlGuNkPwyQjbniq2DOsoyA4HA_apErDVCNL7LWjv6e9Snbquc2UYp3pGnPjBeEVv7im9jaCLVi _ Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:08:49 +0000 Received: from x4e32150c.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([78.50.21.12]) by smtp417.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID fb486ef5c5ad0542c6dff0e7c4fb5cfa for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:08:45 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <20180425220845.76400601@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20180425215140.4d242a3b@WorkMachine> References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> <20180424200924.12c648bf@archlinux> <20180425215140.4d242a3b@WorkMachine> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git136 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:08:57 -0000 On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:51:40 +0200, AikiZen wrote: >I have this usb audio >card :=C2=A0https://www.thomann.de/fr/presonus_audiobox_usb_96.htm?ref=3Ds= earch_prv_3 > >It's the good card ? I don't know this very cheap prosumer audio device. I once tested the Presonus AudioBox 1818VSL. The 1818VSL seems to be a quite good usable audio interface for home recording, but it's also a prosumer audio device. It's quite possible to do professional recordings with a prosumer audio interface, but with the exception, that you are unable to estimate fine nuances. I compared the 1818VSL with the professional RME card's IOs and with a prosumer ADA8000 IOs. I suspect an audiophile person expects professional audio quality + esoteric humbug. Those prosumer devices are good enough for most users, but they definitively don't provide the audio quality of a RME card and this isn't esoteric humbug. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 20:43:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FF2FAFD69 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:43:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5A76843B2 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:43:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.46] (host217-39-219-149.range217-39.btcentralplus.com [217.39.219.149]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3PKh5g6014081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:43:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:42:55 +0100 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20180425181002.GA78999@stargrave.org> References: <4a136190a89f631efabcc6fb803e8119@roundcube.fjl.org.uk> <20180425181002.GA78999@stargrave.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Backing up to tape To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Frank Leonhardt (m)" Message-ID: <28BACDED-FDCC-415B-AABA-732FE36A3E91@fjl.co.uk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:43:09 -0000 On 25 April 2018 19:10:02 BST, Sergey Matveev = wrote: >*** Frank Leonhardt [2018-04-25 21:00]: >>If I plug a SAS drive in to an HBA it'll just appear as /dev/sa0 (or >similar) >>- right? >> >>Then I can backup everything with tar -cf /dev/sa0 /* - right? >> >>Is anyone using tape able to confirm any of this one way or another? > >I have purchased Ultrium LTO5 SAS tape drive for several months ago and >use it with HardenedBSD=2E Everything you wrote is right=2E It appears >(connected through SAS HBA) as /dev/sa0, /dev/nsa0, /dev/esa0 and you >can directly use tar with it without any problems=2E mt command allows >you >to rewind and seek records on the tape=2E And neither native tar supports >multivolume archives nor tape drive will do anything with it -- you >have >to split volumes manually somehow=2E You can easily do something like: >zfs send zroot > /dev/sa0 to write your ZFS dataset directly to the >tape >and then restore from it=2E Thanks Sergey! Good to know the tape stuff still works=2E I've ordered a d= rive=2E I'll need a utility to save/restore ZFS datasets that are larger than one = tape if anyone knows of one=2E Otherwise I'll be writing one, if anyone is = interested=2E Regards, Frank=2E --=20 Sent from my Cray X/MP with small fiddling keyboard=2E From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 21:09:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A40FB0742 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:09:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bs1.fjl.org.uk", Issuer "bs1.fjl.org.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 108B66B80F for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.46] (host217-39-219-149.range217-39.btcentralplus.com [217.39.219.149]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3PL9s03019554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:09:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:09:29 +0100 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: SPARC servers free to good home To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: <8BDB678E-9DE9-49AB-A568-12D3A5E2081A@fjl.co.uk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:09:58 -0000 This is FreeBSD questions, so: "Does anyone in London need a SPARC box for = FreeBSD development?" I have some Sunfire UltraSPARC 3i servers hanging around doing nothing=2E = If you know what these are you probably know you don't want them, unless yo= u're maintaining FreeBSD for SPARC=2E Sorry, disks crushed for security=2E From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 21:32:07 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27420FB0E83 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:32:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic311-31.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic311-31.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.163]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FDF26F9AB for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:32:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: Ih8zlD0VM1kBvZ.WJP..sSUZvP.0u.R0dXsatyDrlIfqDmlh6jDaYL00J6birzQ b8vrgGvvBv7McrKdriRCrME.Zmg6Em4_rnMQrcBLqdmKKBngAdGfzha76poj6O7YwuKFouIdINCA 8UuueLWcCCrmjPXTnh0JDc6n3ZSpKbfvU2.T0rFJrLQr9IgQ50MMtJa2yT3py5kIMtenEU8f.AoW xD.rQYqGUUJPPFiuMO88kXjVZOSyqlVAIvBXLvWgEKTTP8TCcxEnknTWws39YmXWz1Ti4FZCo6cn QbMjHRttQu8AVmeW65cGWeI9m.Oiosh4ZwvsT2vrJUAlPP3nr0gzk.K0AWP0LowSxoBNOpPB5zaw YXy__NxvARIg2RbeobGKJom5L6UyMPJMRMxfkN_05fXFKuloIhnW5Qza_.R_0WWFbQ6HbtyDlFaC _ZzJFsggtdpUqWN7Xj5OqtDyzqHmiAyM8FwYsh9Oquh02jEy5UR4uFKQu_oIpeJeJ3DFDAQaGQXE 9dRmboZse0HyJdIQ49id2.RnD4B99zObAYaNneW7JnS0VxqBwFJzt5NwQsn4z.JhYErKfzb0lJKm F16vfJ_qv2LWW7ViU4a_QgsNNkxChG0af7bv3PTkit2RXNE9UuHdowQgUILMWYfaTS6bTg4b99W1 i Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic311.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:31:59 +0000 Received: from x4e32150c.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([78.50.21.12]) by smtp422.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 40d2017eb85b13762f1ad1d7c97f5d32 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 23:31:58 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <20180425233158.6aa4ddd0@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20180425121249.3de329616ad9c07822e5e572@sohara.org> References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> <20180424200924.12c648bf@archlinux> <20180424235410.5e175bc6@gumby.homeunix.com> <20180425185330.70fb9b1e.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20180425121249.3de329616ad9c07822e5e572@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git136 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:32:07 -0000 Comparing the same album from different sources is tricky for several reasons, already if you compare two LPs played by the same record player or two CDs by played by the same CD player. Two LPs or CDs from different editions done in the same year, without any remastering, could sound different, caused by fabrication issues. Two LPs or two CDs from different years could differ by e.g. reduced dynamic, caused by a remastering with an insane amount of compression, to increase the impression of loudness, it's known as the loudness war. The peaks might have the same level, while passages with lower levels might get higher levels, so there is less difference between a silent passage and a loud passage of a recording. There are many other known issues, especially if something was released as a record first and years later was released as a CD. Theoretically a CD could sound better than a record, but indeed, often records sound much better. Let alone that a very old record might suffer from disgusting scratches, but still could be played, while a very old CD might suffer from fatal data loss, so playing the CD might be impossible and even recovering of the still available data and burning the recovered data to a new CD might lead to nothing. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 25 22:13:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9504FB19F1 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:13:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic309-25.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic309-25.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BE077735B for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:13:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: FcyIXOEVM1nTWKyhMao3BfcazLICidcZVW6TU2U.85BlL4Vky96gC_CxLjgwAc8 MTkty8sspsxVT.YXPLIWK2NlfysDndvAG6YgAJ2FjljHUJ0u1bqwQWsT8ujsgBcw_bJ1IcbfmoMK _J9FqVc2AzJcj2mXevelvOGro_HnzSmpskxy8a2.0Rzbhrg5A2djWJ1qQOC6mxWZbCuCcquOHu8p EtfrOO5ny6eJgoIZjsIT3hNDPuQkesAx4imr2LFFxicoMSBUV.yeS46UQIt1TV2w.5S_7Lv0I9NR N2TzpF5dgryqph3Dd2YOCCQR2NDqSkJT1xJ4CPXiWk9rDg9WbhHQvVxVKvVKS7KVGMiCu1Wuwml3 bVG5MMz8rilQ5ddTvKfJEtXoCiIw7ByGkT838pVLPFpn.mamM3JWfigKSr87zmX1G1.cJ8ik.5BX ax4RklkIkjnqeHoalOiudEsr2lIxV.3rqwd6Jda0JExmcCBrm4GXT..qNKMsXkbASGo2oS00yr3q yD9Zst.j8ehElXEugZrtPsrBAv0bSH.oQhT2ZFrnrYxhUME9DxkkitivrYyigq6zkqhoJWQTGG0b syQrvA.7Gt9lc6Cp1zLZF0k1.Oa48i8r9n_0GvA42tQ4CMvJZ4u3RWVM.1AjWLGuk7CxJCAmeH7H Z Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:13:41 +0000 Received: from x4e32150c.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([78.50.21.12]) by smtp432.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e6e0a4e979251715d2eb36d9406e84ae for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 00:03:32 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <20180426000332.368008d7@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20180425233158.6aa4ddd0@archlinux> References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> <20180424200924.12c648bf@archlinux> <20180424235410.5e175bc6@gumby.homeunix.com> <20180425185330.70fb9b1e.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20180425121249.3de329616ad9c07822e5e572@sohara.org> <20180425233158.6aa4ddd0@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git136 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:13:44 -0000 OTOH storage of very good sounding professional analog tapes has got pitfalls. Assumed professional analog recordings should sound better than professional digital recordings, perhaps they don't, it's just an arbitrary assumption, then we shouldn't underrate the issue of maintaining the archiving. An analog copy does reduce the quality of the original recording, there is nothing such as a perfect analog copy. A digital copy doesn't reduce the quality, at least not a perfect digital copy and perfect digital copies are possible. When coping from one consumer DAT to another consumer DAT via S/PDIF I experienced artefacts, but something like this shouldn't happen, if we copy a file from one HDD to another ;). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 00:04:54 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B97FB381C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 00:04:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x22b.google.com (mail-ua0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E810D6B2F3 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 00:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id s15so16086981uae.10 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 17:04:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LXH1F6AFM6SXggrL3x6TvJyNzSdwVSIlRrZNSMYOkpM=; b=ntbAuI9npmPFl+Oa8nIW5UEr2DHQMhV2Jiw0ZUIBdmSgWxUEUTjj6YNgvKBgrxRIA+ B3mQXg2/aybUKLkLbX4qIAemP7wSx5qKS95bnJuuRY51atOyasGKdcRbamJOLEHMdYyY zq7M8MwdJcvnyVguf4/u+KEg/DpJJ77YUOUfSZiuP3LTksTpao5zFZz0+urZtQcvrsYQ /u9x6Lz+bi8rpjg/v0aUydMeO0SnQ+BIQZGp2z65iHgSSopTz5f2SZyt47vns4lkmg4V G570yek2hfarQJOjNWoJj0JuZx7RuHXa15MZLiPs047MXiByOi/UaMqFwsTN27u095FA Qe4Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=LXH1F6AFM6SXggrL3x6TvJyNzSdwVSIlRrZNSMYOkpM=; b=PfoU5v3cxVB3OJ/5gwxJnm/U2drN3Z79bSoFymZ4yfH9Li+93Xks3O0LBRBKFo+q+M nIGlwY0BueLYJePxK7DPi2Ha30EBUlLMsRbJZtELHx50PTvbLBm+62UPslh6BR+51tpp j33aZyEQkTAKCDJeRu4ppJb12aqsYcSvDrSlmd8aD1Qg2WCQ96Jz5V996/MoZhHc54bF pA+nbmJ45qCNDVOVuHBM9F6u369vNOkLAO15P9pfuZnAmbsyrqOOrhufl+FwsrRSa4TQ 4gmhd01bFlslCUlEJQPY8wsway9a+Fwedfms/dSO4FcLc/kKfo9zLqVDvwKKk42cBvLs KdOw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tApH25XK5LIhN2ekd1QjZbfNvavx4HBRjilhjAHDQYKAMfG5ot5 jYLimrtZwz7e9XK/Mba3INLURJKb4CX5g0oxg14= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4/nQDWN2uEQ5aa+BHtEhS1RxkIua/J1xWYztHsPuG+7niUS16JYq3uts6j2X0NTzLwXv/oGr5Rtt/AErudhess= X-Received: by 10.176.79.3 with SMTP id n3mr23105482uah.172.1524701092922; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 17:04:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.21.133 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 17:04:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180425233158.6aa4ddd0@archlinux> References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> <20180424200924.12c648bf@archlinux> <20180424235410.5e175bc6@gumby.homeunix.com> <20180425185330.70fb9b1e.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20180425121249.3de329616ad9c07822e5e572@sohara.org> <20180425233158.6aa4ddd0@archlinux> From: Waitman Gobble Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:04:52 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 00:04:54 -0000 On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > Comparing the same album from different sources is tricky for several > reasons, already if you compare two LPs played by the same record > player or two CDs by played by the same CD player. Two LPs or CDs from > different editions done in the same year, without any remastering, > could sound different, caused by fabrication issues. Two LPs or two CDs > from different years could differ by e.g. reduced dynamic, caused by a > remastering with an insane amount of compression, to increase the > impression of loudness, it's known as the loudness war. The peaks might > have the same level, while passages with lower levels might get higher > levels, so there is less difference between a silent passage and a loud > passage of a recording. There are many other known issues, especially > if something was released as a record first and years later was > released as a CD. Theoretically a CD could sound better than a record, > but indeed, often records sound much better. Let alone that a very old > record might suffer from disgusting scratches, but still could be > played, while a very old CD might suffer from fatal data loss, so > playing the CD might be impossible and even recovering of the still > available data and burning the recovered data to a new CD might lead to > nothing. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hardly anything recorded in a studio the past 20 years (30?) is over 48KHz. The actual master digital recordings are not hi definition. You can find modern classical music recordings with higher resolution. But there are also great recordings that were originally analog (like up until the 1990's) and digitized at 96/192 and you (well at least I) can tell the difference. (But there are also people who claim there is no difference in shooting JPEG format photos compared to shooting RAW, they claim they cannot see any difference when it's quite obvious there's more detail in RAW) If you want 96/192 on a pci card you'd need something several years old, verify the chipset and use OSS on FreeBSD. There are a couple good USB audio devices that do 96/192. I do not think you can get 96/192 out of any "Creative" device on FreeBSD. -- Waitman Gobble Los Altos California USA 650-621-0423 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 01:10:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272D8FB4B57 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp9.server.rpi.edu (gateway.canit.rpi.edu [128.113.2.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "canit.localdomain", Issuer "canit.localdomain" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E2817AC86 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.231]) by smtp9.server.rpi.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id w3Q15QFw020747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:05:27 -0400 Received: from smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD95558019; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.67.1] (gilead-qc124.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.124.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: drosih) by smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 982C558002; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:05:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Garance A Drosehn" To: tech-lists@zyxst.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bash history buffer output mangled after repeated up-arrow Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 21:05:26 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.11.1r5471) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20180425142605.GA39933@desktop.local> References: <20180425142605.GA39933@desktop.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: outgoing, @@RPTN) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Hold at 10.10] X-CanIt-Incident-Id: 02VCN5qka X-CanIt-Geo: ip=128.113.124.17; country=US; region=New York; city=Troy; latitude=42.7495; longitude=-73.5951; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=42.7495,-73.5951&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Canit-Stats-ID: Bayes signature not available X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 128.113.2.229 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:10:42 -0000 On 25 Apr 2018, at 10:26, tech-lists@zyxst.net wrote: > hi, > > I've noticed now, for a while (like maybe over a year) that if you're in > bash shell, hitting up-arrow (which usually loads history -1) multiple > times will result in part of history becoming the prompt. When I've seen this, it has been because: 1) bash thought the width of the current window had a different number of columns than it actually has. or 2) the variable $PS1 is set to some custom value, and that value includes some characters use up either more or less than one column-width. In my case, case #2 happens when I'm playing games to set specific colors in my prompt. So, for instance, my PS1 includes the string '\e[1;34;47m' which sets the color of both the background and the text. However, all those characters will use up zero columns when displayed. Bash needs to know that all those characters use up zero columns, so those characters need to be surrounded by '\[' and '\]'. Thus the string really needs to be: '\[\e[1;34;47m\]' I think there are some other 'tty' settings which can also cause the behavior that you're seeing, but I don't remember which ones. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = drosih@rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 05:05:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59724FC237B for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:05:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from out2-3.antispamcloud.com (out2-3.antispamcloud.com [185.201.17.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA7DA73C08 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:05:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from [153.92.8.106] (helo=srv31.niagahoster.com) by mx60.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fBZ5l-000AM0-5i; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 07:05:14 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sumeritec.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=w3XX0bPfGen6xn03GZYPhINBhU1fjAA1eo460N3W9VM=; b=o2CsR2IXxEGA55n+FqzhKmbEfT K2xKwUXoVocYcOcVw6uam7F1dHAuDU5JX17OHS/ehOD1L5YjmDjqOp8xNhCzraMPeEukgl4f3dGex lBkM9MM3d1Q9p+qcAT1hXcKBXUXujE9VjorTWEXkWV++3Iwhba6MfWURvQ+Lx7tamNWX6qEKkK+oR z8tfngYzvATP0Y36Ct/Yis4GkdnGTHfcWqf52G7qj0lc4DAZob6kZwZoAfbfQZ60SgRrN4hR8t82t uy1K4M+vPaC4FSvqdKUaWT7W+QYhLQhiwKiiY4WcOG7wCB2FXA1hNg8dISNVVb4OHfmc146AAZDbm d7XT9Bpw==; Received: from [182.1.82.171] (port=26280 helo=X220.sumeritec.com) by srv31.niagahoster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fBZ4v-0002H4-27; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:04:25 +0700 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:04:12 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: AikiZen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? 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FLAC is lossless but it is still an extra layer. When space is a concern, yes, use it. Anyway, you can do a simple test at home. Try it with some extreme pieces you like. It will be your ears listening not ours. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 05:10:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC40FC27ED for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic309-26.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic309-26.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E09A7416B for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: XqXmaJcVM1nHI0AzJM4soOHLG7ppLRk1A7aLXzv4cyGgDeoMuZnofhGXqthx3f_ Ltk_iTnoT0C.MB7Jcioltfq8InXC2Ni6hjYAJ8OTy9TUsYDHQRpwXB0LhCZQ9guS5_k8LL3WGJ5d sUPgXqplNYYCJjbXIHD1DJAoBDDGF9KoPXuo5KlJn6QR4s_4HR.OZovfGji1bP5e0Iuf_Q9nNvmh TSU6G.CQDTSD_TX5ktvj8dlW6U8wqL3qnHz4wTkSt_PQYTx.FCgjJkg1yrhAdwVgNTyrys6Hb5l1 0CpWQVHPYmoZVMFiBkdIIvB_qx7rOf7C1RKE1ZmXN2RAt5WF3JJbBajabXSRmauyUMjloZgi3Gqe viAzWmpvSIh20QlpLjz4mlfI.nkQgVx1CEi9y7cH8BxABkbH6NFPmooKPY6oXwgZUptzP6BtUqsw GCLf0MSizz4.ZXR5sBssmDgFC5QatVWA8m0pFH_XX8d.JQV0DR_ezO9duxlsSDID8idg8GJIXq2N _1VbfmasVnEG.L.Use21qQ.tVdhxIxzm0Mxtxc6nzVbnEyr13EMuxxfQTM9axwqdJK.JfA6S_OR1 rf9Npt43I9KJObm_901LLIy4gyBua2V9XQPt30F6_.1_s6zIbM8FCHDsvEzKkm5UmsvPJ3c1QfnV t6g-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:10:26 +0000 Received: from x4e3214c9.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([78.50.20.201]) by smtp407.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 4e2a43c996fcb401408055177790d4c5 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 07:00:16 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: audiophile sound on FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <20180426070016.60d735ed@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <20180423224242.7299f430@WorkMachine> <20180424113308.52f35f93@WorkMachine> <20180424200924.12c648bf@archlinux> <20180424235410.5e175bc6@gumby.homeunix.com> <20180425185330.70fb9b1e.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20180425121249.3de329616ad9c07822e5e572@sohara.org> <20180425233158.6aa4ddd0@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git136 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:10:28 -0000 On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 20:04:52 -0400, Waitman Gobble wrote: >Hardly anything recorded in a studio the past 20 years (30?) is over >48KHz. The actual master digital recordings are not hi definition. You >can find modern classical music recordings with higher resolution. But >there are also great recordings that were originally analog (like up >until the 1990's) and digitized at 96/192 and you (well at least I) >can tell the difference. > >(But there are also people who claim there is no difference in >shooting JPEG format photos compared to shooting RAW, they claim they >cannot see any difference when it's quite obvious there's more detail >in RAW) > >If you want 96/192 on a pci card you'd need something several years >old, verify the chipset and use OSS on FreeBSD. > >There are a couple good USB audio devices that do 96/192. I do not >think you can get 96/192 out of any "Creative" device on FreeBSD. Any comparison with a lossy compression image file format is utter nonsense. Apart from working around latency issues for PA systems 96 and 192 KHz gains you nothing. For listening 48 KHz 16 bit already would do the job and for production 48 KHz 32 bit floating point should be used. 32 bit floating point doesn't provide a better audio quality, it just makes production easier. For production usually uncompressed audio formats are used, but usually not raw header-less PCM, I suspect most common is WAV. However, regarding all the double-blind test discussions, lossless compressed audio format are lossless and lossy compressed audio format are lossy. It doesn't matter how many people are able to hear a difference or if they should hear a difference to claim that the culprit is a bad algorithm. To avoid any issue for any person, using whatever algorithm is provided by the software, lossy audio formats shouldn't be used. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 08:22:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F10FA5D3E for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 08:22:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kristaps.civkulis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x231.google.com (mail-oi0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3658881ABA for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 08:22:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kristaps.civkulis@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi0-x231.google.com with SMTP id f63-v6so23358817oic.4 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:22:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6lmnhrUgIOrASnk0/ZcdmXKZVRv0r/XynJq9QxgBNrs=; b=pmJ+5uF+5yd0Pka2kvkO5jmtmdapjR+mud1T5ryOdhOMjr0Khs6hdIMbED8A/GvQ6x SQVbJOdHAYJZaEeFc9C3+Tn6nKqe0sHxoNS8yegYn5s+xW+FGJW5ZRCP4q84O2zpFNxD 8yOgw3L+ZpK9LAf7Sv56jgSxUxu1DYAdM5nZSn+tGdyRyjkFe+iAviTL2x/0Qit6JWnO G12gPPKQxkHIBN9MGIQTyqeQTeHxJ4eZTCglqmKpS7r7LRtw1Lj1WdWs6eIZI7ySayTv u8x03HkddzDX2FOjEfRUf2mdYTMKGalWfiNRiNed9KP0cDXOn3xDAzOmoekj0Zp0Eljp nLpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6lmnhrUgIOrASnk0/ZcdmXKZVRv0r/XynJq9QxgBNrs=; b=fxyCIei+vU5OcgGpCG99vfzFELvP51TJDLcFIzal1orVDkm5gINh8eaibv1okCwhuH R0cg4EFabFx1mmrLYilvI+gD0ubKWcn4CK7rK/sF5sWCEK1h15B+yK1f5+0pNjtKaTaq SZjP2FXlCfsAN1Lj9i1A8TuM3Pa1bIQhjg+NCn9MfdcJbdcM0cy+Dg2QJQ2h0XKW4bIJ q87PWS1NnqNmPB1TW3spLZnO35f8fmMU83Q6hmd/z9H3ZsLqjcSw4fPtQitEjZMdZpdy 11BBO1wSLNMNqK5+HZVZ7PLhkSSDrzyGURPwVyZRUyGJAypiLrPDQCwjFhl321qedR5Q XPdg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tD5Az4Lq35OHgIVCLTa/rg/8ZM9wgsPucTbNDntWjgqsvyFt+va +09q+wMXMpas//fvOlvmQr6LzyQ44Zt0ZW6vTOk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+RMenuF5ypMTHL8SP7KsTO28b3xgGB5K/2jcJY+eKr8/cpWoYuUKom3gDigumvgcODZzGmDHkdoNeA+xgvM5k= X-Received: by 2002:aca:accf:: with SMTP id v198-v6mr20149857oie.320.1524730926656; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:22:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:48ce:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 01:22:06 -0700 (PDT) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Kristaps_=C4=8Civkulis?= Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:22:06 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: set QEMU to use UEFI instead of BIOS on FreeBSD host To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 08:22:09 -0000 Hi, How can I set QEMU to use UEFI instead of BIOS? Currently, if I want to install FreeBSD to virtual hard disk VM10G.raw, this works: qemu-system-x86_64 -m 2048 -cdrom FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso -hda VM10G.raw But QEMU uses SeaBIOS. Is there any way to change the default BIOS to UEFI? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 10:40:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3948FA9DDE for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20498826F6 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:40:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A3B61F86; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:32:31 +0700 (+07) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:received:received :received; s=selector1; t=1524738751; x=1526553152; bh=d4o12qSHG 4+n33/gN7WLJ24byyk3C36jvlCrKKZGO58=; b=FwkSY2B/7INKXoJPNlAYsex0K XUjdiHjrKb7z7RqyQzwCCla22asbiRAHg51XPQvehDS2SnmHztE2KQjC2xkURkuW MLNYx+j6btqzCSlTbTWhz3+rIO6P6X+S8eAObHQBx5jrFyDzrerAApd6iEH4W0hw b2+E8sBWhq5MIGBEWU= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 30und2PKzZnS; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:32:31 +0700 (+07) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16E0361F85; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:32:31 +0700 (+07) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w3QAWSo4009649; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:32:28 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) From: Olivier To: "Frank Leonhardt \(m\)" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backing up to tape In-Reply-To: <28BACDED-FDCC-415B-AABA-732FE36A3E91@fjl.co.uk> (frank2@fjl.co.uk) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:32:28 +0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:40:46 -0000 "Frank Leonhardt (m)" writes: > On 25 April 2018 19:10:02 BST, Sergey Matveev wrote: >>*** Frank Leonhardt [2018-04-25 21:00]: >>>If I plug a SAS drive in to an HBA it'll just appear as /dev/sa0 (or >>similar) >>>- right? >>> >>>Then I can backup everything with tar -cf /dev/sa0 /* - right? >>> >>>Is anyone using tape able to confirm any of this one way or another? >> >>I have purchased Ultrium LTO5 SAS tape drive for several months ago and >>use it with HardenedBSD. Everything you wrote is right. It appears >>(connected through SAS HBA) as /dev/sa0, /dev/nsa0, /dev/esa0 and you >>can directly use tar with it without any problems. mt command allows >>you >>to rewind and seek records on the tape. And neither native tar supports >>multivolume archives nor tape drive will do anything with it -- you >>have >>to split volumes manually somehow. You can easily do something like: >>zfs send zroot > /dev/sa0 to write your ZFS dataset directly to the >>tape >>and then restore from it. > > Thanks Sergey! Good to know the tape stuff still works. I've ordered a drive. > > I'll need a utility to save/restore ZFS datasets that are larger than one tape if anyone knows of one. Otherwise I'll be writing one, if anyone is interested. While it should not be too difficult to design such a utility, you have to consider that each time you will want to access any data on the tar, you will have to stream through all the tapes, because tar format does not allow you to start with the tape 5 even if you know that the file you are looking for is not on the first 4 tapes. And tar will continue to stream through all the trailing tapes even if the file you are looking for was found on the first tape (I think that tar strores the newer version of a file at the end of the archive, so it has to process the tar file to the end to be sure there is no newer version of the file you extract). It would be much better to split the data you want to tar, to have one set of data filling almost one tape. 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Previously, when I used the "PG UP" or "PG DN" keys with the "more" command, I was able to scr= oll through a document. Suddenly, that function is no longer available. Nothing happens. This is the same for both the regular "PG UP" and "PG DN" keys and the numeric keyboard keys. Now, the "HOME" and "END" keys are working correctly. Has anyone heard of this before or have a possible suggestion? Thanks :) --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 11:59:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E82FAB39C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:59:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 441EA73842 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:59:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bash history buffer output mangled after repeated up-arrow Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 05:59:51 -0600 References: <20180425142605.GA39933@desktop.local> To: Phuket Collection | Property Newsletter via freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: <20180425142605.GA39933@desktop.local> Message-Id: <72A1F6F3-A842-4B16-A2A4-B2FBE2EA2CE9@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:59:59 -0000 On 2018-04-25 (08:26 MDT), tech-lists@zyxst.net wrote: >=20 > backspacing to (in this case) [john@desktop ~]$ ls -lah .g (which is = as > far as one can backspace on that line) and hitting return, restored = the normal prompt position. Repeatedly hitting up-arrow mangles bash > history. Are you using social characters, color codes, or other stuff in your = prompt? What's the definition of your PS1 look like? --=20 "If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed." From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 12:01:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CEBFAB812 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:01:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (www.covisp.net [65.121.55.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5564573A06 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:01:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: bash history buffer output mangled after repeated up-arrow Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 06:01:21 -0600 References: <20180425142605.GA39933@desktop.local> <72A1F6F3-A842-4B16-A2A4-B2FBE2EA2CE9@kreme.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <72A1F6F3-A842-4B16-A2A4-B2FBE2EA2CE9@kreme.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:01:23 -0000 On 2018-04-26 (05:59 MDT), "@lbutlr" wrote: > > Are you using social characters Sigh. SPECIAL characters. -- And the three men I admire most, the father son and the holly ghost they caught the last train for the coast... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 13:56:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C088DFADB2A for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr0-x22a.google.com (mail-wr0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D99D691FD for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id d1-v6so56854293wrj.13 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 06:56:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=cP+3tuuNYROcQwyz1u3d6tyB662r+UaEpiuazOef4oQ=; b=AIYpQtlxziKRhWctdbiLr0MlzkrfAz7xNr4oZ7I2t5PUkrx5H58JLwwMyMOuHMHNSk P3Uew1AhmD2wNJ7UH101hDXv+HY1wy87942jj/6GKzaGWECSnmQdzeIAnI+QUHKiDnZJ i4PMPAd6N7LMMrwYBD14+nGnznDW0l6eYO1v6SuID8TvsxtDxJSPaYg3DKb6fH2/BrDO eh+BFoHCFT5Neg6X4/YGb4wXzabTqsE32NiVFea7D2JxjL4RtEOMyJljZK33NXQ/50iv Viat9LeNxltvLGNneVYxWyfU2Q0JBh7HEV+3XCsVWR3N0cZ6prGmOFhnr4EFbEdFtWQC oR2A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=cP+3tuuNYROcQwyz1u3d6tyB662r+UaEpiuazOef4oQ=; b=Vcwb/fITSg37Xwt3/Z5raoj7J1yrL71Ckv0xQaLEDQ1feDFkY9U1tQFNV+XUPEZNa0 uLwJNgbtN76UyDccu3ZL2gnPbSSBQWsnSekQmVrbl4LEIexCpG89kH8aq/bhUZ3tgopO a7ajm4QxkglsE3HXCWlTu+k0M8j6VTnuZ2TjFcoccHup9dDqJqL4MlmRMGs6aPxQb7kh rAP1A4831OqP3JZqZ6xFpRoybR15PRsLpw7b68+eeYkWWgvcIxjDrQoWP8zXvFs1495O mNMsv1VnYFMgiM7xfAJrU0tIFXr4/5IHwz0pxnbMRQvcMGTzi4qn9SJ6+katLRdsr17O khzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDDFVEk7JCJpJFNgA0BtkD7W1ZFIACqSDyhxCbYgGJhFt79K6bU ZQqNdunp9yGGUlUTR7jPk7yNsbXwBgowFTIXCDA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZpdvz9e0myE0O5NJTsKOcwUHFDFrLgrrFc1zFwU42tmErmlYpkrk0dADWajJyq0drGuMzA2aYBSc5wru06kxrU= X-Received: by 2002:adf:984c:: with SMTP id v70-v6mr6742133wrb.100.1524750982023; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 06:56:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.188.71 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 06:56:21 -0700 (PDT) From: David Mehler Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 09:56:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: ipv6 pf firewall rules To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:56:23 -0000 Hello, Does anyone have a pf configuration that works with both ipv4 and ipv6 rules? If so i'd like to see it. My ipv4 rules are working fine, my ipv6 are not. Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 14:50:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7CBFAF58C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 14:50:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from omx1.meiway.com (omx1.meiway.com [81.255.84.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAF475260 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 14:50:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from ms1.meiway.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by omx1.meiway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B941892B0 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:43:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com [66.90.254.150] by ms1.meiway.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id A5830528; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:43:15 +0200 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 09:43:13 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: 11.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <201804261643747.SM06312@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 14:50:51 -0000 installed this vmdk: https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/VM-IMAGES/11.1-RELEASE/i386/Latest/FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-i386.vmdk.xz to vmware 6.5 can't start sshd can run pkg upgrade both give this error: /lib/libcrypto.so.8: Unsupported relocation type 5067544 in non-PLD relocations Thanks Len From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 14:55:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFE4FAF87B for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 14:55:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22e.google.com (mail-it0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 964CE77BCA for ; 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Thu, 26 Apr 2018 07:55:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:6f5e:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 07:55:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201804261643747.SM06312@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> References: <201804261643747.SM06312@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> From: krad Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:55:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11.1 To: Len Conrad Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 14:55:33 -0000 unless you have to run the 64 bit version On 26 April 2018 at 15:43, Len Conrad wrote: > installed this vmdk: > > https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/VM-IMAGES/11.1- > RELEASE/i386/Latest/FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-i386.vmdk.xz > > to vmware 6.5 > > can't start sshd > > can run pkg upgrade > > both give this error: > > /lib/libcrypto.so.8: Unsupported relocation type 5067544 in non-PLD > relocations > > Thanks > Len > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 15:07:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50F2FAFDB1 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from omx1.meiway.com (omx1.meiway.com [81.255.84.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F96B7938A for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from ms1.meiway.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by omx1.meiway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3011892B3 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:07:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com [66.90.254.150] by ms1.meiway.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id AB330CAC; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:07:31 +0200 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:07:29 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: 11.1 In-Reply-To: References: <201804261643747.SM06312@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201804261707450.SM06312@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:07:35 -0000 At 09:55 AM 4/26/2018, you wrote: >unless you have to run the 64 bit version that must be it thanks >On 26 April 2018 at 15:43, Len Conrad <LConrad@go2france.com> wrote: >installed this vmdk: > >https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/VM-IMAGES/11.1-RELEASE/i386/Latest/FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-i386.vmdk.xz > >to vmware 6.5 > >can't start sshd > >can run pkg upgrade > >both give this error: > >/lib/libcrypto.so.8: Unsupported relocation type 5067544 in non-PLD relocations > >Thanks >Len > > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 16:55:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3959CFB2B01 for ; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8fc4e229-f27b-73d0-7ff2-5aff5d6cea1f@tundraware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.5 (2018-04-13) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:55:24 -0000 On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 02:38:28PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >On 04/25/2018 01:10 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >>> Any ideas? >> It doesn't happen to me. >> >> Maybe you've got something weird in your .profile? > >Agreed. Remove your .bash_history, .profile and .bashrc files temporarily and see if the >problem changes or goes away. hm, why didn't I think of that?! lol ok, thanks, am trying this. I thought I might have something broken in ttys or xterm. Haven't noticed it yet (but that doesn't mean it wasn't happening, just that I didn't notice) in a non-X console. It does happen in screen. thanks, -- J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 18:05:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F93CFB41C6 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:05:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from omx1.meiway.com (omx1.meiway.com [81.255.84.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E9F82D3C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:05:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from ms1.meiway.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by omx1.meiway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734051892AE for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 20:05:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com [66.90.254.150] by ms1.meiway.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id A4DF0964; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 20:05:19 +0200 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:05:20 -0500 To: From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: 11.1 In-Reply-To: <201804261707450.SM06312@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> References: <201804261643747.SM06312@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> <201804261707450.SM06312@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <201804262005207.SM07524@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:05:26 -0000 At 10:07 AM 4/26/2018, you wrote: >At 09:55 AM 4/26/2018, you wrote: >>unless you have to run the 64 bit version > >that must be it > >thanks ok, we ran up the 11.1 AMD vmdk and still get the same error, for pkg upgrade and starting sshd pkg upgrade /lib/libcrypto.so.8: Unsupported relocation type 21364768 in non-PLT relocations Len ====================== >>On 26 April 2018 at 15:43, Len Conrad <LConrad@go2france.com> wrote: >>installed this vmdk: >> >>https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/VM-IMAGES/11.1-RELEASE/i386/Latest/FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-i386.vmdk.xz >> >>to vmware 6.5 >> >>can't start sshd >> >>can run pkg upgrade >> >>both give this error: >> >>/lib/libcrypto.so.8: Unsupported relocation type 5067544 in non-PLD relocations >> >>Thanks >>Len >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 18:26:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00961FB4DB0 for ; 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charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:26:39 -0000 On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Len Conrad wrote: > At 10:07 AM 4/26/2018, you wrote: >>At 09:55 AM 4/26/2018, you wrote: >>>unless you have to run the 64 bit version >> >>that must be it >> >>thanks > > ok, we ran up the 11.1 AMD vmdk and still get the same error, for pkg upgrade and starting sshd > > > pkg upgrade > > /lib/libcrypto.so.8: Unsupported relocation type 21364768 in non-PLT relocations did you delete the old disk image ? did you re-create the VM ? > > Len > > ====================== > > > > > > >>>On 26 April 2018 at 15:43, Len Conrad <LConrad@go2france.com> wrote: >>>installed this vmdk: >>> >>>https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/VM-IMAGES/11.1-RELEASE/i386/Latest/FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-i386.vmdk.xz >>> >>>to vmware 6.5 >>> >>>can't start sshd >>> >>>can run pkg upgrade >>> >>>both give this error: >>> >>>/lib/libcrypto.so.8: Unsupported relocation type 5067544 in non-PLD relocations >>> >>>Thanks >>>Len >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 18:54:56 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE50FB5950 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from omx1.meiway.com (omx1.meiway.com [81.255.84.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203048F995 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:54:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from ms1.meiway.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by omx1.meiway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53B41892AE for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 20:54:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com [66.90.254.150] by ms1.meiway.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id A07B0DFC; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 20:54:51 +0200 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:54:50 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: 11.1 AMD vmdk failing with /lib/libcrypto.so.8 error In-Reply-To: References: <201804261643747.SM06312@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> <201804261707450.SM06312@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> <201804262005207.SM07524@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <201804262054537.SM07524@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:54:56 -0000 Yes, the i386 vm was deleted the AMD vmdk is the only one present and running the fbsd startup is showing a lot of processes failing to load because of the /lib/libcrypto.so.8 problem the AMD vmdk is for what version of VMware? We are running VMWare 6.5 Len At 01:25 PM 4/26/2018, you wrote: >On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Len Conrad wrote: >> At 10:07 AM 4/26/2018, you wrote: >>>At 09:55 AM 4/26/2018, you wrote: >>>>unless you have to run the 64 bit version >>> >>>that must be it >>> >>>thanks >> >> ok, we ran up the 11.1 AMD vmdk and still get the same error, for pkg upgrade and starting sshd >> >> >> pkg upgrade >> >> /lib/libcrypto.so.8: Unsupported relocation type 21364768 in non-PLT relocations > > >did you delete the old disk image ? did you re-create the VM ? >> >> Len >> >> ====================== >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>On 26 April 2018 at 15:43, Len Conrad <LConrad@go2france.com> wrote: >>>>installed this vmdk: >>>> >>>>https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/VM-IMAGES/11.1-RELEASE/i386/Latest/FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-i386.vmdk.xz >>>> >>>>to vmware 6.5 >>>> >>>>can't start sshd >>>> >>>>can run pkg upgrade >>>> >>>>both give this error: >>>> >>>>/lib/libcrypto.so.8: Unsupported relocation type 5067544 in non-PLD relocations >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>>Len >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 19:10:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A7BFB5FF1 for ; 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Message-ID: <20180426210910.475aeefd@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <0cf315a5-dedf-29b9-13de-32240b52a5ad@dreamchaser.org> References: <20180425105447.7d69d2b9@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> <0cf315a5-dedf-29b9-13de-32240b52a5ad@dreamchaser.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 19:10:22 -0000 On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 11:22:30 -0600 Gary Aitken wrote: > On 04/25/18 02:54, Tijl Coosemans wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:18:50 -0600 Gary Aitken wrote: > >> Asked this on questions a while ago and got no response; > >> any thoughts would be much appreciated. > >> > >> I'm trying to set up a development environment for a few ports. > >> I established a parallel ports tree and set the environment variables > >> PREFIX=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local > >> WORKDIR=${MYFREEBSD}/var/db/portsnap > >> PORTSDIR=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/ports > >> > >> With those set, I can build and install some things. > >> > >> For example, I can build and install graphics/ufraw, and with my PATH > >> properly extended to include ${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/bin I can execute it. > >> I can also build and install x11/babl into ${MYFREEBSD}. > >> Running a normally built gimp finds the new libbabl located in a > >> different, non-standard place: > >> $ ldd `which gimp` | grep babl > >> libbabl-0.1.so.0 => /usr/home/.../usr/local/lib/libbabl-0.1.so.0 > >> I didn't expect that to work; nice. > >> > >> However, when I go to build graphics/gegl it fails because it can't find > >> the installed babl: > >> ===> gegl-0.3.34 depends on shared library: libbabl-0.1.so - not found > >> > >> If I set > >> LOCALBASE=${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local > >> it wants to rebuild all dependencies, since it doesn't find any of the > >> normally installed stuff. > >> > >> Adding > >> -L${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/lib to LDFLAGS > >> -I${MYFREEBSD}/usr/local/include to CPPFLAGS > >> in the Makefile doesn't solve the problem. > >> > >> Is there a good solution to this, or do I have to set LOCALBASE with the > >> resulting build of everything else, not just the things that I need to > >> upgrade for this work? Hopefully there's a way to extend the normal > >> search path for port builds? > ... > > Try setting LIB_DIRS. Its default value is "/lib /usr/lib ${LOCALBASE}/lib". > > Thanks, that mostly did the trick. > However, I still have an issue with a library which resides in a subdir > of /usr/local/lib: > ===> gegl-0.3.34 depends on shared library: libcgraph.so - not found > $ pkg info -l graphviz > ... > /usr/local/lib/graphviz/libcgraph.so > /usr/local/lib/graphviz/libcgraph.so.6 > /usr/local/lib/graphviz/libcgraph.so.6.0.0 > > I tried tweaking the Makefile: > LIB_DEPENDS+= graphviz/libcgraph.so:graphics/graphviz > but that fails: > Error: pattern graphviz/libcgraph.so in LIB_DEPENDS is not valid > > Also tried some permutations with trailing '/' and '/*' on the directory > with no success. > > I could not find any discussion of this situation in the porter's > handbook, probably because it "just works" building in /usr/ports. > I can get it to work by explicitly adding the subdir as another element > of LIB_DIRS but that seems wrong; I have 92 subdirs to /usr/local/lib. The code to find libraries is in /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/find-lib.sh. These are the directories: dirs="${LIB_DIRS} `cat ${LOCALBASE}/libdata/ldconfig/* 2>/dev/null || :`" So either you modified LOCALBASE or ${LOCALBASE}/libdata/ldconfig/ doesn't contain an file for graphviz. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Apr 26 22:39:09 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48C5FBA585 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 22:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from omx1.meiway.com (omx1.meiway.com [81.255.84.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463C57D1C5 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2018 22:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from ms1.meiway.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by omx1.meiway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950591892AE for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 00:39:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com [66.90.254.150] by ms1.meiway.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.23) id A5060AD0; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 00:39:02 +0200 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:39:05 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: 11.1 AMD vmdk failing with /lib/libcrypto.so.8 error In-Reply-To: <201804262054537.SM07524@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> References: <201804261643747.SM06312@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> <201804261707450.SM06312@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> <201804262005207.SM07524@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> <201804262054537.SM07524@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <20180427003951.SM06312@DESKTOP-N8II48N.Go2France.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 22:39:10 -0000 We gave up on the broken vmdk created a VM booting from .iso file worked Thanks Len ============ At 01:54 PM 4/26/2018, you wrote: >Yes, the i386 vm was deleted > >the AMD vmdk is the only one present and running > >the fbsd startup is showing a lot of processes failing to load because of the /lib/libcrypto.so.8 problem > >the AMD vmdk is for what version of VMware? > >We are running VMWare 6.5 > >Len > > > > > >At 01:25 PM 4/26/2018, you wrote: >>On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Len Conrad wrote: >>> At 10:07 AM 4/26/2018, you wrote: >>>>At 09:55 AM 4/26/2018, you wrote: >>>>>unless you have to run the 64 bit version >>>> >>>>that must be it >>>> >>>>thanks >>> >>> ok, we ran up the 11.1 AMD vmdk and still get the same error, for pkg upgrade and starting sshd >>> >>> >>> pkg upgrade >>> >>> /lib/libcrypto.so.8: Unsupported relocation type 21364768 in non-PLT relocations >> >> >>did you delete the old disk image ? did you re-create the VM ? >>> >>> Len >>> >>> ====================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>On 26 April 2018 at 15:43, Len Conrad <LConrad@go2france.com> wrote: >>>>>installed this vmdk: >>>>> >>>>>https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/VM-IMAGES/11.1-RELEASE/i386/Latest/FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-i386.vmdk.xz >>>>> >>>>>to vmware 6.5 >>>>> >>>>>can't start sshd >>>>> >>>>>can run pkg upgrade >>>>> >>>>>both give this error: >>>>> >>>>>/lib/libcrypto.so.8: Unsupported relocation type 5067544 in non-PLD relocations >>>>> >>>>>Thanks >>>>>Len >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>>https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Apr 27 01:17:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB553FBD3EE for ; 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I have seen that there's an arm64 port for FreeBSD, but which packages are available, does it have sound. Should it be experimental, I may have to compile from source if pkgs are not available. I know there are versions of OpenBSD and NetBSD as well with arm64. I want to try this out and put some fun in computing. Thank you in advance for sharing your ideas and thoughts. Best Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 28 02:09:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45956FB9083 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 02:09:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jesse.alexander.bennett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA6C87895B for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 02:09:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jesse.alexander.bennett@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id i3so5767423wmf.3 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 19:09:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=KutlRvNm83Ct90Psv38Nsj/EVQn6xRRfT2R/ivcb0/Q=; b=Tl0LeLPHqAwRNeNi81Dybe6LIime77l2QzyAPzvkrs5Ep7D3OnA3Cb4YVCFWmNMeRz uQ5cS1QmZcQvPgW2fuI0OAPwASLzaqvBjOLbt8p4eQSh+jZFdEsSz4VuAFlUFoyo3NUJ v4Z0ptqzyXl8GbLWzZkwY885JP0YzhQ+3Zc1xhABUHic6PNOlTjWyDQBqDGrDiKpWPNR 6K2sEcIHJYyzVLjm/DOLRUoJbDaLaTra1K6ScIAiA9mV0bpou8sMj/FyIalPrO7HnRc8 credEvyFyrNqAIRa+xnR8GDZ45FwWt/nDPI5gfe+mzWoaxyCYsHOQCw+x/VpUVbkmipr 6fNw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=KutlRvNm83Ct90Psv38Nsj/EVQn6xRRfT2R/ivcb0/Q=; b=NnQPNjKIxAx0ghCk1VkeVnCTzapP42hKLd35nwzJxI9FoW6ryxSmbm7Idlf27Vxd8z 7s/TKMdqZ+J5oDJxZi5ozsiMQUyajdJsDIOeruyrl87yHLvFOXFiCr82qT+MqKzEzf6x qA2Kmj6qT4NENII2rbn/mGjWbc0MCOL0Thh49NYoYfiPVRjW7F/AmetejHncfIO8Pgtx MEDUmR24Gssv8BV/djl20RtWCMlcnzCIOBZMqBWLkvZN0YaZ44Qdm2AZyYn58rk6adVE fhktKZqM/mdiL6RyM24u3IwU3P/fv03uAIKG7V2UC2F87lc93pbhJ43nlcKZtBbo9LtO FW2A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tD1MoyDlnBJLTR9Q/URb3mP0eFlM3cJN13jQ1r5KpL2QDu3dwQO tUtsHDZdsuo+PmMKDJmZp2Q7KcoZW376PJAdi1U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrk4wrS4/GVvpvqhcorzoC+Wc1AK78rxxfJN3nNU0xKB6fqYee9CnNAcg1OMpz8Pr0xEEMbfGR+jG0HT8KGdBw= X-Received: by 2002:a50:b204:: with SMTP id o4-v6mr613903edd.184.1524881378291; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 19:09:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Wolf Spider Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 02:09:28 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: FoundationDB on FreeBSD To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 02:09:40 -0000 Hi, I was wondering if there were any known efforts toward porting FoundationDB to FreeBSD already? I=E2=80=99ve had a little success in porti= ng it on my own which you can view here: https://mobile.twitter.com/wolfspidercode And the public repo on GH I have here: https://github.com/wolfspider/FoundationDB-FreeBSD Soon I=E2=80=99ll probably be looking for guidance for some of the addition= al platform changes needed on the forums and mailing lists- just wanted to make sure while attempting to contribute that this wasn=E2=80=99t already i= n place elsewhere in the FreeBSD roadmap. I=E2=80=99m also new to contributing to o= pen source projects and any info or help there is greatly appreciated. -Jesse jesse.alexander.bennett@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 28 02:40:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7D5FBA624; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 02:40:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x244.google.com (mail-it0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59C60801D1; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 02:40:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x244.google.com with SMTP id f6-v6so4181801ita.2; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 19:40:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=le5T0bXDDAZZsxTeYCw5GH+GVdvtfj8A8elO+5HagWw=; b=n4wZeTzyM5/e70Md3D27ftwNXXt9jHTiAUBZAWYVtfquaAAIgiuFAH4Nix53UKydpY u/rHOCyhxH5S06DgWzv3dek8X9xCk5+ckpmkqy+qnPrevKwOIHkZ+riw3hqUTrnCYPq2 8p8jfqjFanFW7ngVGIHbDpOJ4rtFWV2bN+j3su9YZXXT/dNRx88XEOYhW79EiGEa3Yw5 8GMvdkEcR2b/8eIgmnpZGtuzrdplwhR7iS1rDNaMt3gTQabpNVsk6q7kGYsooleIZ+3n AGT/fjAu7rVloYIGHCORfYSrkcuhfJiccBpGwY0IE5ekYC7aY6pyrhVPFKDh32Q1p5K3 KtHA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=le5T0bXDDAZZsxTeYCw5GH+GVdvtfj8A8elO+5HagWw=; b=p/pDF9CviblF8rKF1RHwBWfaZexcbt2PHDVlmZSczRAcuCQOM7I3+1CL/ew94BLSu6 y/rQi8TTlGOHmwOHaPSdihyXrvtCT9PzzTK1FYCr95KJiVQDFZ1zzdDlb/v04BWRQNz2 41vJbYFw0Uhl72coeARH8uVx3/S1T/0ld8JUzmndwfluNobVL29fa+kJSrByZv7lc8eI O4F66vv7ny0lJp5cLzpE9KwRqKJHt1/2wuxAooFPaKOepbTYtBhmiYUuMb5cg8CbKoAw o/A2PVZPlYUSU1OozpgjeRL49bdwwiekrCHMHn+JBKsEWqdJIPrFMsC/mm92WLLmzefx CPkA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDN4ja0mpW2mSHhTYVVSleiTdwZAIHNX4xaHAB3ryyt1GYFKWwz hB3uKAEI0x2cT1+a4D/kSuUVX7gffWinFyVPRnJbZg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqmVeBWmtXqZG/5ZHUcb/y8ueP4fUcnyhLRlLpIO1nNlDSrYBPeji6IaC6K3F0Fe6Y9kjwt2/lGG9oFGWuupvQ= X-Received: by 2002:a24:2c52:: with SMTP id i79-v6mr4611525iti.101.1524883219326; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 19:40:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:8d6a:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 19:39:38 -0700 (PDT) From: grarpamp Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 22:39:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Exploit Lecture: Writing FreeBSD Malware To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 02:40:21 -0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT_k06Xg-BE Without exploit mitigations and with an insecure-by-default design, writing malware for FreeBSD is a fun task, taking us back to 1999-era Linux exploit authorship. 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[130.56.207.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x3sm5903898pff.87.2018.04.27.19.27.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 27 Apr 2018 19:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: FoundationDB on FreeBSD From: Felix Friedlander In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 12:27:13 +1000 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4A1F2689-021C-419C-9918-4F696FB1DC37@gmail.com> References: To: Wolf Spider X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 02:27:18 -0000 > On 28 Apr 2018, at 12:09, Wolf Spider = wrote: >=20 > Hi, > I was wondering if there were any known efforts toward porting > FoundationDB to FreeBSD already? I=E2=80=99ve had a little success in = porting it on > my own which you can view here: > https://mobile.twitter.com/wolfspidercode >=20 > And the public repo on GH I have here: > https://github.com/wolfspider/FoundationDB-FreeBSD >=20 > Soon I=E2=80=99ll probably be looking for guidance for some of the = additional > platform changes needed on the forums and mailing lists- just wanted = to > make sure while attempting to contribute that this wasn=E2=80=99t = already in place > elsewhere in the FreeBSD roadmap. I=E2=80=99m also new to contributing = to open > source projects and any info or help there is greatly appreciated. >=20 > -Jesse > jesse.alexander.bennett@gmail.com I was recently wondering the same thing. It doesn=E2=80=99t look like = it=E2=80=99d be enormously difficult to port, and by the looks of things = you already have a semi-working port - why not open an issue (when = you=E2=80=99re done) and try and contribute your version? - Felix From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 28 06:04:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66443FC1EF0 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 06:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC5986B74 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 06:04:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B263BFC1EE9; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 06:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A3EFC1EE8 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 06:04:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-yb0-x230.google.com (mail-yb0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1922A86B70 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 06:04:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: by mail-yb0-x230.google.com with SMTP id i69-v6so1430330ybg.2 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 23:04:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=RblVKX44yRb01+GiPKHVhFTa2kYbPvquFMbIyZMUKnw=; b=E/pHFn/iSsVAwlK9DEaJptJ9MRTO4JX4wXsM5AML4mFWMpiY3RA5WZPrKUAf3aqMG1 ksG0ws53smcHNrBvU0r2ogPkTGwrY2U2ivJEg8BJJ8RIBX6J9DwNXtR4PJsJoujoIiF8 JNZdH1pVq3ZqBHurjPQce34pOmRFtawOOZ/nY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=RblVKX44yRb01+GiPKHVhFTa2kYbPvquFMbIyZMUKnw=; b=mzT3SAZzUXQYL5UmFtRjt9dfblB0DJ/Cd/3lEYVzTgBfWWGk+xgDSAYpQlUFJ59GC1 h0sddQNZE886TXjn2Ee2QlRikB8ArwLfK60xBuXbnqn2cIea+pSnfD/EC4WN+G580wxt WrPx01sAE2A8fiA7XwTkaCQmlOsroBirNLqK0ElJlnQin2Ph38bqyedcFmmS8oS+Ypzo HymNR+K2SIJ8kPJsNz/IX5XjizL6TLBItEFBf6do7WrzHBYoZ8DNhbnICsT2Dkbd0GFV l4nfkl0rbtn1RK924TTMiZy4MR49qyfZlCQEi+jcIFT9DNmm+XmaWumEc6QsUUmgs2PH Q/OA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tCuDjCIyMBBReJGlF60evoNm6q+4EauTSfQkrx5HYuZA9Y+UDe8 6knel3sTSES8hA5wnytZYFe+PESbLgXjSfvHgqh4fXsd X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqGrHnpo8HHZ7wsuBVGMCMM8E9gVuWnuf01mFussS0hHmjQ9bqBk1quMbZog19G/DiYH2DwmN5EqvqTjdKVTLg= X-Received: by 2002:a25:cc10:: with SMTP id l16-v6mr2765247ybf.89.1524895440370; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 23:04:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a25:c709:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 23:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Eitan Adler Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 23:03:29 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: iwm / 3168NGW on r332854 To: "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" , questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 06:04:02 -0000 Hi all, I have the following setup and can not seem to get wireless working. The error message references RFKILL / hardware switch, but there is none on my computer. What might I be missing? iwm0@pci0:5:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x21108086 chip=0x24fb8086 rev=0x10 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168NGW [Stone Peak]' class = network wpa_supplicant.conf: ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant ctrl_interface_group=wheel network={ ssid="?????-5G" scan_ssid=1 key_mgmt=WPA-PSK psk="?????" } rc.conf: wlans_iwm0="wlan0" ifconfig_wlan0="WPA DHCP" sysctl: dev.iwm.0.debug=0xFFFFFFF dmesg: [426929] iwm0: Handling ieee80211 scan request [426929] iwm0: Adding channel 0 (2437 Mhz) to the list [426929] iwm0: Adding channel 1 (5200 Mhz) to the list [426929] iwm0: Adding channel 2 (5240 Mhz) to the list [426929] iwm0: Adding channel 3 (2417 Mhz) to the list [426929] iwm0: Adding channel 4 (2427 Mhz) to the list [426929] iwm0: Adding channel 5 (2447 Mhz) to the list [426929] iwm0: Adding channel 6 (2457 Mhz) to the list [426929] iwm0: Adding channel 7 (5765 Mhz) to the list [426929] iwm0: Adding channel 8 (5805 Mhz) to the list [426929] iwm0: could not initiate scan [426931] iwm0: switching state SCAN -> INIT [426931] iwm0: Ch. 1 Flags c0de [2.4GHz] - No traffic [426931] iwm0: Ch. 36 Flags c0de [5.2GHz] - No traffic [426931] iwm0: ->iwm_prepare_card_hw [426931] iwm0: <-iwm_prepare_card_hw [426931] iwm0: iwm apm start [426931] iwm0: radio is disabled by hardware switch [426931] iwm_run_init_mvm_ucode: failed 1 [426931] iwm_init_hw failed 1 [426931] iwm0: iwm_apm_stop: iwm apm stop [426931] iwm0: switching state INIT -> SCAN [426931] iwm0: Handling ieee80211 scan request [426931] iwm0: Adding channel 0 (2437 Mhz) to the list [426931] iwm0: Adding channel 1 (5200 Mhz) to the list [426931] iwm0: Adding channel 2 (5240 Mhz) to the list [426931] iwm0: Adding channel 3 (2417 Mhz) to the list [426931] iwm0: Adding channel 4 (2427 Mhz) to the list [426931] iwm0: Adding channel 5 (2447 Mhz) to the list [426931] iwm0: Adding channel 6 (2457 Mhz) to the list [426931] iwm0: Adding channel 7 (5765 Mhz) to the list [426931] iwm0: Adding channel 8 (5805 Mhz) to the list [426931] iwm0: could not initiate scan [426936] iwm0: Handling ieee80211 scan request [426936] iwm0: Adding channel 0 (2437 Mhz) to the list [426936] iwm0: Adding channel 1 (5200 Mhz) to the list [426936] iwm0: Adding channel 2 (5240 Mhz) to the list [426936] iwm0: Adding channel 3 (2417 Mhz) to the list [426936] iwm0: Adding channel 4 (2427 Mhz) to the list [426936] iwm0: Adding channel 5 (2447 Mhz) to the list [426936] iwm0: Adding channel 6 (2457 Mhz) to the list [426936] iwm0: Adding channel 7 (5765 Mhz) to the list [426936] iwm0: Adding channel 8 (5805 Mhz) to the list [426936] iwm0: could not initiate scan [426941] iwm0: Handling ieee80211 scan request -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 28 12:54:02 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997A0FAE55B; 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Sat, 28 Apr 2018 14:53:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Exploit Lecture: Writing FreeBSD Malware DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1524920037; bh=Uwo5uSvv3X5V8rx6h9WYGVNmosULzlNxiPKK/XFB6+Y=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=OvJhP1GCfDWMcqwEO2LXpTLAI6/fhzi2Lz/vDtQ6GIT0ieP20lhiVYZGMMEvN8LEp VgyqiD3ZD5j1eQWU2mevBOOSpTLMjqNXYwULyNJkVXhAkEPnOg3EbA62oFLZLIlvr0 q7X1WDqjbA8/hYz6QGxbr01spGizR8chsM3x4+AN5uA8ruvWME4vTLBScLw7NZeBTe Vm8vDdF70tPDrW41HNZDVP+Bz0N4YRsaVz0xYGVAAnXGGX1eqZVFy2cDDffurbxfQ7 mIxCf4QukhcqrW34w4yce8h0rdu7SrFeOfgrdukD2Ish4cQ1gRIrX5zKa0eJNanmDL Gq7F7xxPAcSLQ== To: grarpamp@gmail.com, freebsd-security@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: "Peter G." Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 14:53:46 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 12:54:02 -0000 Webb, next time when talking to any audience, remove your fucking hat. That's basic human courtesy. -- PG On 28/04/2018 04:39, grarpamp wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT_k06Xg-BE > > Without exploit mitigations and with an insecure-by-default design, > writing malware for FreeBSD is a fun task, taking us back to 1999-era > Linux exploit authorship. Several members of FreeBSD's development > team have claimed that Capsicum, a capabilities/sandboxing framework, > prevents exploitation of applications. Our in-depth analysis of the > topics below will show that in order to be effective, applying > Capsicum to existing complex codebases lends itself to wrapper-style > sandboxing. Wrapper-style sandbox is a technique whereby privileged > operations get wrapped and passed to a segregated process, which > performs the operation on behalf of the capsicumized process. With a > new libhijack payload, we will demonstrate that wrapper-style > sandboxing requires ASLR and CFI for effectiveness. FreeBSD supports > neither ASLR nor CFI. Tying into the wrapper-style Capsicum defeat, > we'll talk about advances being made with libhijack, a tool announced > at Thotcon 0x4. The payload developed in the Capsicum discussion will > be used with libhijack, thus making it easy to extend. We will also > learn the Mandatory Access Control (MAC) framework in FreeBSD. The MAC > framework places hooks into several key places in the kernel. We'll > learn how to abuse the MAC framework for writing efficient rootkits. > Attendees of this presentation should walk away with the knowledge to > skillfully and artfully write offensive code targeting both the > FreeBSD userland and the kernel. > > https://twitter.com/lattera/status/989602709950029824 > > Shawn Webb is a cofounder of HardenedBSD, a hardened downstream > distribution of FreeBSD. With over a decade in infosec, he dabbles in > both the offensive and defensive aspects of the industry. On the > advisory board for Emerald Onion, Shawn believes in a more free and > open Internet. His whole house is wired for Tor. Getting on the Tor > network is only a network jack away! 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[99.243.5.210]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e98-v6sm1656434itd.18.2018.04.28.08.53.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Apr 2018 08:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Exploit Lecture: Writing FreeBSD Malware To: "Peter G." , grarpamp@gmail.com, freebsd-security@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Yonas Yanfa Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 11:52:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 15:53:17 -0000 Peter, who fucking cares if he wears a hat indoors? That's some old-timey shit! Can you even explain exactly why it's such a "basic human courtesy"? Other than, "Because we've always done it that way........". And to broadcast this for the entire mailing list...WTF MATE?? Welcome to 2018. His head, his rules! #FreeTheHat #HatNazi #NoHatForYou! On 04/28/2018 08:53, Peter G. wrote: > Webb, next time when talking to any audience, remove your fucking hat. > That's basic human courtesy. > -- > PG > > On 28/04/2018 04:39, grarpamp wrote: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT_k06Xg-BE >> >> Without exploit mitigations and with an insecure-by-default design, >> writing malware for FreeBSD is a fun task, taking us back to 1999-era >> Linux exploit authorship. Several members of FreeBSD's development >> team have claimed that Capsicum, a capabilities/sandboxing framework, >> prevents exploitation of applications. Our in-depth analysis of the >> topics below will show that in order to be effective, applying >> Capsicum to existing complex codebases lends itself to wrapper-style >> sandboxing. Wrapper-style sandbox is a technique whereby privileged >> operations get wrapped and passed to a segregated process, which >> performs the operation on behalf of the capsicumized process. With a >> new libhijack payload, we will demonstrate that wrapper-style >> sandboxing requires ASLR and CFI for effectiveness. FreeBSD supports >> neither ASLR nor CFI. Tying into the wrapper-style Capsicum defeat, >> we'll talk about advances being made with libhijack, a tool announced >> at Thotcon 0x4. The payload developed in the Capsicum discussion will >> be used with libhijack, thus making it easy to extend. We will also >> learn the Mandatory Access Control (MAC) framework in FreeBSD. The MAC >> framework places hooks into several key places in the kernel. We'll >> learn how to abuse the MAC framework for writing efficient rootkits. >> Attendees of this presentation should walk away with the knowledge to >> skillfully and artfully write offensive code targeting both the >> FreeBSD userland and the kernel. >> >> https://twitter.com/lattera/status/989602709950029824 >> >> Shawn Webb is a cofounder of HardenedBSD, a hardened downstream >> distribution of FreeBSD. With over a decade in infosec, he dabbles in >> both the offensive and defensive aspects of the industry. On the >> advisory board for Emerald Onion, Shawn believes in a more free and >> open Internet. His whole house is wired for Tor. Getting on the Tor >> network is only a network jack away! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-security@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Yonas Yanfa In Love With Open Source Drupal :: GitHub :: Mozilla fizk.net | yonas@fizk.net From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 28 16:19:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66093FB397F for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 16:19:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B901E833D7 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 16:19:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: liznJQYVM1kDcVpHGcMuyfCPds6AJs7JaHHLK4hnQ4NlybvUDNe4Ee2NnlB70Q2 aY.0aP31xmlpJjOmPTetYNkeXbgWf_cLiB9rEIZT20APQ9htwqwr3b7aVvDcdgbv7z4eINpj6zkK 0vA6vJelAIfkMbERZprTN7sqsdbXjR_rVHCzA.yEy_JHULCYZ.VO0AJCLJw5r6hqyRuqpAXsjPuV EPBygEvEOhohfqZjY21_uUff_B9xnFkj0OfQ3PMLZzj2q5DLaGtQ1vxQA0CKZorvrRJavco5yOU2 Lpnc_tpv8bOL2JzRMjB2tXaLSEU9zyHApj5aP.__lFXQyOkqllnTzrRpMjwEzBnhXrHVdZilwY6H pVNLI5pcEZtQVxIF4fQbCPdGiPV1.DuirolbsiBP6ViWxm0NC5tUvqmLbvsjtr9_EYzz0LKCytTy _jLGtKiTHIM4aeDc0vgdmINGaysWtcDrbzPzwQBoKqFyJ.YJwSm0emIohgSsELnpddLTLJDpRl.K cuDY_VuISKdHsJKIViCGPSuQrkWR0oy.Izls5zkDeXCmGhH_Ar5myHlXJKd3rH1NH._DBdItD6Qy xxxl2xKQfh2ckgR_1GJTZhhBUV.WHbHTNMKg9f87RfrUKDd7YOn6.WoM98Rq2zJpbaH4G7WIxlFZ P2uPPu9TcLv9CKXcesfh_mbdO.CxaQKw7 Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 16:19:33 +0000 Received: from x4e321542.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([78.50.21.66]) by smtp402.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ebde9945c42ded1acee4f987e37138b8 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 16:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 18:19:30 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exploit Lecture: Writing FreeBSD Malware Message-ID: <20180428181930.63c45651@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git136 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 16:19:41 -0000 On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 11:52:50 -0400, Yonas Yanfa wrote: >Peter, who fucking cares if he wears a hat indoors? That's some >old-timey shit! > >Can you even explain exactly why it's such a "basic human courtesy"? >Other than, "Because we've always done it that way........". > >And to broadcast this for the entire mailing list...WTF MATE?? > >Welcome to 2018. His head, his rules! > >#FreeTheHat #HatNazi #NoHatForYou! Wearing a cap for health reasons is ok, apart from that it's churlishly. I'm a rock musician, I don't care much about etiquette, but I care much about respectfulness of others. There are reasons why we don't wear a motorcycle helmet and sunglasses, if there is no need to do that. We also don't use a smart phone, if we are in a discussion. Oh wait, you are right, we are in 2018, indeed all those idiots are using smart phones when being in a discussion, when being on work, when having fun with friends, when crossing a road. However, this are just ugly fashions. We don't know, perhaps the one talking to the audience suffers from a disease, so e should be careful with admonitions. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 28 17:10:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940DBFB4B2B for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 17:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x22d.google.com (mail-qk0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1872D6EAB3 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 17:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id a202so3894635qkg.3 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:10:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ZXzT7+Z8CdKsZ0eXK3HG7SKrS1sSsoApZwkAe4/glzE=; b=t6TfodOxhCE/yehv3VM9J78nYph3tSJGqumXjShBSNnyyBfGqpUXbKMs8k1Gh4CfxT YWFuIlRne/IVvCjZ95wbT8pD6/dxk7V4jQa2mj5JvPVCbzbTkEDFZ44aHQ8HurDszcOk LNtGUNenjK2RbpiafyBdHzTUACUM2gZ/KvWQ98ZRRIFsxYZkjNZY1Kdjq591QpOCWimV 8FxTRJjMhQRXrrV1mURkOhA6qTSzuoAJNNZhr64CkrkTjtgtuT4eSEIgrkJsRMVX2GVq zCEfPXy89KFyH2lwdLkgAFZ212/Cc/K92VAjX/mHASN+4l/Vwz2U8OsMZopBSgUlm1g2 4BMQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=ZXzT7+Z8CdKsZ0eXK3HG7SKrS1sSsoApZwkAe4/glzE=; b=lrpfIqCHWf2Q9nQBgARKxoicywaiQYFuhO0fihvuiDaY+2c0mT6QorCWOB16UOukqW hyGPB/1YCb4Qnj9OlZPW9cu2KtNq/XXsL0TFOAj3j1ROW0bDLrucCxKHkYQTO4tYdnLX VXgkh+RY489omX87ElfQq77UwFsDa/9RSirw8D5H/N7AbYakEo2qgsOaaSVVFolkdlMZ a8dPz7Eqo8qXV+eQSv77Jsl2oUHP5BAEJcMugUczdEibAptATfV2ZCUAundj8lspogL3 v2Mf2ycn6zpqoy6UfB2hE10KzjBoEb33yoqmwzOS4L04LzdmGkbiBsAHEFUCiFpzXEVC wQ2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDJ1GYgMFbCVCoowJ5vSPPIZr/YNgmodvWEHvLP7J34sVBJRscJ iFuL7bxz74IraeMFelbnarUJJA/zH+ICvYSdt3fcAUVW X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqvniAGsFI7iGVPBGu+A9A7dI8u8jLudsqL1hTppDEIX17QGhtX2tCIoRfBdRA1ClkrsR5wY3yU4NmD2VokSX8= X-Received: by 10.55.92.3 with SMTP id q3mr5720578qkb.345.1524935413193; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:10:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.41.92 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:10:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180428181930.63c45651@archlinux> References: <20180428181930.63c45651@archlinux> From: Michael Sierchio Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 10:10:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Exploit Lecture: Writing FreeBSD Malware To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 17:10:14 -0000 Hey, guys - We maintain a regulation alley behind the establishment, suitable for settling disputes by any and all means. If this is how you do foreplay, get a room. ;-) - M On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 11:52:50 -0400, Yonas Yanfa wrote: > >Peter, who fucking cares if he wears a hat indoors? That's some > >old-timey shit! > > > >Can you even explain exactly why it's such a "basic human courtesy"? > >Other than, "Because we've always done it that way........". > > > >And to broadcast this for the entire mailing list...WTF MATE?? > > > >Welcome to 2018. His head, his rules! > > > >#FreeTheHat #HatNazi #NoHatForYou! > > Wearing a cap for health reasons is ok, apart from that it's > churlishly. I'm a rock musician, I don't care much about etiquette, but > I care much about respectfulness of others. There are reasons why we > don't wear a motorcycle helmet and sunglasses, if there is no need to do > that. We also don't use a smart phone, if we are in a discussion. Oh > wait, you are right, we are in 2018, indeed all those idiots are using > smart phones when being in a discussion, when being on work, when > having fun with friends, when crossing a road. However, this are just > ugly fashions. We don't know, perhaps the one talking to the audience > suffers from a disease, so e should be careful with admonitions. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 28 19:36:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA7EFB7DB4 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 19:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from schreck.julian@uranus.uni-freiburg.de) Received: from mailgateway2.uni-freiburg.de (mailgateway2.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.2.212]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06BAD6CE00 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 19:36:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from schreck.julian@uranus.uni-freiburg.de) Delivery-date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 21:36:22 +0200 Received: from fe1.uni-freiburg.de ([132.230.2.221] helo=uni-freiburg.de) port 54710 by mailgateway2.uni-freiburg.de with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1 #2 built 16-Feb-2018 16:47:02 running on Gentoo) id 1fCUli-0005jn-Tm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 20:40:22 +0200 Received: from [10.4.25.105] (account schreck.julian@uranus.uni-freiburg.de) by uranus.uni-freiburg.de (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 6.2.3) with HTTP id 2640933 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 20:40:22 +0200 From: "Schreck Julian" Subject: Dual Boot with GRUB next to GNU/Linux "Debian" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v6.2.3 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 20:40:22 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 19:36:22 -0000 Hello there, I've been using Linux since 2013 in some flavours. Now, I'd like to install a different OS, which is also (or at least more) in the "spirit" of Free Software. For not being ruined for some time if I don't get along with *BSD (or FreeBSD, indeed), I need to keep my current system untouched. Is there an automatic install -- sorry if I insult the community with that way of thinking, I'm new :-) -- to "just" add FreeBSD to my current hard disk with dual boot? Kind regards, Julian Schreck PS: Is there some *BSD user group or something in sothwest Germany? -- https://omnibus.uni-freiburg.de/~sj126 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 28 19:56:01 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADBEFB8426 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 19:56:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kristaps.civkulis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x233.google.com (mail-oi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00E1172257 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 19:56:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kristaps.civkulis@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi0-x233.google.com with SMTP id p62-v6so4457231oie.10 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 12:56:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gIAiD3eJ0UGfKxvwSEutqIA0LdbkK3C+rVcjhsMqWGo=; b=AYwgKYCJRUC0p8onJn+G3pIDatqmV/KDmUUytpTeI4pmIntocCuT62+yYcMYH5+wXO GrPwajwrtkojJ3UD2fBvU8My367AuUbaGAWsHmqSzFPIuvv1fIYsD3mB9MuDutLq7nEM E40ATIJ8dmdJaqE8LmYXlkVt9ubNV6cG8MVzfukVF+CLc9fz/3fDCBQRiGr3qNjGu5MF C+QlgG7tOuDxpxsTXBrGpvfOlHcl5QzF328IB5NluXA2xvrEheZtOWCnBwpRySTEAyPr gAjASGcXDc/zMhRicDFSJ7F8RNgz+1D2oRIqVJ8zD7GOxq1Iqu7U7mALQDCfNLAwUHAP Fytw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gIAiD3eJ0UGfKxvwSEutqIA0LdbkK3C+rVcjhsMqWGo=; b=KnIRf3/6eTcqOdQI4cLxB+lq2B8iyzPUOxn6z/B6R/4IK1v9RU34RZPCVeQttdH/bA +dSbOAoai4Z+JmY7gh3bgy9UD0t0h1hxa7CHEAFotQWaoSGxri4HanosK3XrjgIM9aLj ZQlsDJ9wJo1idEY/LmkF/6zLAY4IiOYxdFg+RgBKOJoWCfRumko7i1M9TkAnoz5O8jl1 TrT6j8FZz4LUG1pfcCoQo5BnEV3TEi0cpnvV7kJ7Haxvhf5db6SZfta2Wkw2Ez1xeWnd kaxu15nXyzW8IrTgzn4XkIjnQU1P4maXK2uIW72qujk9jTJRzfllVPMPZaj36qzegc1N GpaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDQfPLvW5yG3oPDAWJLmtZAUkEJDXI9QG/rml9EbPfdqAdsPd72 OBu1ZrssGXUyfRz3VOBQ89eW83kS7aNeMcjJk8bGOg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrOhxz4N/DiMKg7MzPdMv64SAKdjznnj6YM1FWhfIlzYeVDqbPiT+L/djwxsruTxz79daYQ6NAJOYh8KE16XZI= X-Received: by 2002:aca:2b19:: with SMTP id i25-v6mr4367590oik.170.1524945360415; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 12:56:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:48ce:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 12:56:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Kristaps_=C4=8Civkulis?= Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 22:56:00 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dual Boot with GRUB next to GNU/Linux "Debian" To: Schreck Julian Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 19:56:01 -0000 Hi, If you use UEFI, you can do it automatically and almost without touching your current partitions. Just create new empty partition and let FreeBSD installer use that partition to automatically divide it into smaller ones (new EFI partition, root partition and swap). Then in Linux add new boot entry with efibootmgr so that you can boot into FreeBSD through UEFI boot menu. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 28 23:33:00 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B457AFBC21D for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 23:33:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wes.frazier@members.fsf.org) Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.141]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.posteo.de", Issuer "StartCom Class 3 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38CF9831B7 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2018 23:32:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wes.frazier@members.fsf.org) Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C66E921157 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 01:31:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 40YRs63vWPz9rxD for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 01:31:38 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: wes.frazier@members.fsf.org Subject: Re: Dual Boot with GRUB next to GNU/Linux "Debian" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Wes Frazier Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=wes.frazier@members.fsf.org; keydata= xsBNBFnkGS8BCADFsuOK5MoYG9ngr5avBVEZ3M2YWFYqhFnrnegeC6gFP7CEEEhFlAlGFRJa 2lomWr9vkG19OpxtbiJVnXfmgquN5niDm3rx00So2EmpspHIp8/mOFE7Gx8tupQcOU6kVt4A 7i3U4KF+E1adev2BzVTxLOJPoaKRsA+puHdPH8jZ1a3y0YEtvLF8UUKiSEsECrjk30fQVKEl pGwNZUk5T30zWQWEIJXdYSviCbJmbzbf8DUQbHAxfcADYbMPm83XIOo14YbBjym8owNP1zhF M8ZOOxI0tQSh8Y+5U9Yn7pCm4FbIflLAIfV2dpoqeLgjQjOUDna+bo0HaWDt1bQQtUczABEB AAHNKVdlcyBGcmF6aWVyIDx3ZXMuZnJhemllckBtZW1iZXJzLmZzZi5vcmc+wsB/BBMBCAAp BQJZ5BkvAhsDBQkCky4ABwsJCAcDAgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQFO57iiyrSi6Q KAf+Pv/4HBh7Pk/NpjwaxdwK4Sxd4kO54VwcEcNmeGKMLPqD3ctDslETRBPyzA5Uvyckn5cE 6B8CbNKPEzpRRgr0kDHT5lzoHFaaubnl5ncYe419HMs8Dk3PXpwkjZ8KMotzJFvNVaaZ7Q7X B+r4godvMkDIZAz9GDBbyHKeK/1yqWQgquWJ7vxf2wSWWE6NqqENgcXQNUp54Ay4H+r3qEhT E72xbKFycmZ9idB7bzIKaf801M3AnbiUlvLcMXenFORtqhWXFYJqv/N/io9DN0nQfBpr9Fyc h50MNG4yVw/5jAtlnr6pXbTHPfAzp3/mv1NsrpLR6cRhXU5PW+jqyqLM7M7ATQRZ5BkvAQgA vIxBTKdST8TjalLJ45i2VO6x6FiTuS7FNwhlWinbmLrVqBOyuMU7Foxbps0BSjSY0+6tGUfJ bUdnbZ4EzzrVT1lPpj86vv4ukj9n7XzggAZJopzTj66ghqmiUfrZu5K5ClQUtosxYiUtIO7z 1BRf1xC5UNmqFEWxafEk81AVr6Us9J7BbyW4SdMh2ReHF+zgSs1CSzjobCZ/sA4v5uYp1hiq V08ZLawLIQoKQQFDorwMDPuX0ZL2O6ux2pX9tI04pGem2JVfQwxgfoE1Tj47MIvftmlzJ5uC O1y9zpkPjw00AngJgHKaIb0Xe6z4dJKotbAygB2tD/EM+2QJfBZ7aQARAQABwsBlBBgBCAAP BQJZ5BkvAhsMBQkCky4AAAoJEBTue4osq0ou3+8IAI/lD29qvdz2qmN0O68h9sE3r7qaqTpq 9LNgNIeTEJ7H6EfO9xU7TnPrBEm49V7fBJZLhkpyhA1XDwXPFgnQU+1dln9zGmm5qRySY71y zVvttW0k9FffhqvJy8yekcBHi8LIJVGV+FhrNixICs0zzPquWKtlcTSYQt80zuLND6XQYHb+ 7nq80Ij2h9e1b3sZ34Ceo0fjvIogieVXdmrg6K/fWKZ+yKOx0LBI60wB9pzb0T7WjuO0svxt lq3NfAji6+fadgIyWCDPx0aJx0/+LXvxkK0+1c4E9KjqmEfRSR1fdwasqLN43eD7x465JIIv DaE+1+8RUdzR93Ym3iKR3/Y= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 19:31:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ncYrM3AHOr6S0Xy0Z8ze5JITiJlxs5g9D" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 23:33:00 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ncYrM3AHOr6S0Xy0Z8ze5JITiJlxs5g9D Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="zsBqjnNrzUnZZDg9bBnnh9lflVGDHhYcy"; protected-headers="v1" From: Wes Frazier Reply-To: wes.frazier@members.fsf.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dual Boot with GRUB next to GNU/Linux "Debian" References: In-Reply-To: --zsBqjnNrzUnZZDg9bBnnh9lflVGDHhYcy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm new to FreeBSD but did this recently with Debian/Devuan without EFI. It wasn't automatic however. I used the disk/slice/partition editor in the installer. I reserved the first slice for FreeBSD, the second for GNU/Linux's root and a third for GNU/Linux's swap. I installed FreeBSD to slice one (letting the installer automatically partition the space). Then when I installed Devuan I chose the second and third slices in the installer, as my ext3 root and swap space respectively. When it prompted me to install grub I told the installer to install grub to the second slice instead of the whole hard disk. Then from FreeBSD I used the boot0cfg command to make linux select ble from the FreeBSD boot menu. You may want to check boot0cfg man page. Grub can be configured to boot FreeBSD instead of using FreeBSD's bootloader to boot GNU/Linux but I haven't used that method and can't speak to it. - Wes --zsBqjnNrzUnZZDg9bBnnh9lflVGDHhYcy-- --ncYrM3AHOr6S0Xy0Z8ze5JITiJlxs5g9D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEZlhJhYmotpqX80BPFO57iiyrSi4FAlrlBFgACgkQFO57iiyr Si4q3wgAm7hPWGny0fOEbWq/LHVJKoSAEXIYh7h2y7QyNwLQaYdzX1vaXhOyuf8P R0YRim+TVzGMCHhZ79klXAVl/GiCsYSqlNfMz+A6HW113/GQ+TrRdShB0uMlj9Uz cx9u4QTb3u4qTcj3UxS+DZdiufiDQK0LwYzbxcox1rE+IHtsBP4bb7tPXcGchzLi MRuGC6MPf29CMDotRoj+H/ZZ0mVxDX6E6s+Dti7NI83I5bcqqd4pb0XBWTvAFILx RM4kTEj4HJH597yzputO6EOte8JqjSvFivEyJ5bC5t6ZV40WOgxlp8u7rGcqyR1q 3uhQi2dUmh0y3i2NO61LMDX1x+mLfg== =WTjL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ncYrM3AHOr6S0Xy0Z8ze5JITiJlxs5g9D--