From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 21 01:12:43 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A031A5009 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 01:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mjose01@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mail105.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail105.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8858795C65 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 01:12:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mjose01@optusnet.com.au) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [210.9.159.55]) (Authenticated sender: mjose01@optusnet.com.au) by mail105.syd.optusnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0E3C11ED8BD for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:12:31 +1000 (AEST) Subject: Re: "invalid antenna gain in sprom" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: MJ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:12:13 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=FNpr/6gs c=1 sm=1 tr=0 cx=a_idp_d a=pkktSqn0Qp7eAfHY9FNPNg==:117 a=pkktSqn0Qp7eAfHY9FNPNg==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=UHI7g-UDo0Kg6HXK92oA:9 a=NAo61JysqnjQb1bF:21 a=UWG1PddJPYJqjSbA:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8858795C65 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mjose01@optusnet.com.au designates 211.29.132.249 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mjose01@optusnet.com.au X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.35 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[249.132.29.211.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:211.29.132.0/23]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[optusnet.com.au]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: extmail.optusnet.com.au]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.985,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[optusnet.com.au]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.06)[ip: (-4.69), ipnet: 211.28.0.0/14(-3.25), asn: 4804(-2.37), country: AU(0.01)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[optusnet.com.au]; ASN(0.00)[asn:4804, ipnet:211.28.0.0/14, country:AU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 01:12:43 -0000 Greetings Carmel, 1. sprom - stores the mac address, vendor details etc. It also stores maximum transmission power, hence the message. 2. Looking at the code, it's invalid (probably no value) and so it sets a base power level. No harm. 3. Look at man page for bwi, does this help. 4. Is it showing any errors etc in /var/log? Hope this helps, Mark On 21/07/2019 1:53 am, Carmel NY wrote: > I just installed FreeBSD 12 onto an older PC, mostly just to play > around with it. Anyway, upon boot up I am presented with this message: > > Autoloading module: if_bwi.ko > Autoloading module: if_bwn.ko > bwi0: mem 0xfdefe000-0xfdefffff irq 16 > at device 1.0 on pci2 > bwi0: BBP: id 0x4318, rev 0x2, pkg 0 > bwi0: MAC: rev 9 > bwi0: PHY: type 2, rev 7, ver 3 > bwi0: RF: manu 0x17f, type 0x2050, rev 8 > bwi0: invalid antenna gain in sprom > Configuring vt: keymap. > Autoloading module: uhid.ko > Autoloading module: ums.ko > > I have not been able to get the wireless card to work, although I know > that it does because I had Windows 10 running on this PC. I also have > no idea what the "invalid antenna gain in sprom' means. Googling it has > not produced a lot of useful data. I am just wondering if anyone has > gotten this card to work and possible, what the 'sprom' warning is all > about. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 21 15:49:16 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1409B664A for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberleo@cyberleo.net) Received: from mail.cyberleo.net (paka.cyberleo.net [216.226.128.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF98684A38 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberleo@cyberleo.net) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:1f11:36f:28e0:e9bb:8f78:e936] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f11:36f:28e0:e9bb:8f78:e936]) by mail.cyberleo.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4AF5694980; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: What does it mean to use ports? To: Polytropon , hw Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <87o91wqjl5.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190715021053.2f82c84c.freebsd@edvax.de> <87blxwosmj.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190716002710.6d7c7800.freebsd@edvax.de> From: CyberLeo Kitsana Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 10:49:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190716002710.6d7c7800.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CF98684A38 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=cyberleo.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cyberleo@cyberleo.net designates 216.226.128.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=cyberleo@cyberleo.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.97 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.67)[-0.670,0]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.226.128.180]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.cyberleo.net]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[cyberleo.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.49)[-0.489,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13706, ipnet:216.226.128.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:49:16 -0000 On 7/15/19 5:27 PM, Polytropon wrote: > no idea why they gave it a name that's hard to spell and to pronounce One of the english translations of the word poudriere is 'tinderbox', seemingly an allusion to the original ports testing infrastructure used by FreeBSD. Presumably the name is in French because the original creator, Baptiste Daroussin, was too. -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net Element9 Communications http://www.Element9.net Furry Peace! - http://www.fur.com/peace/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 21 16:03:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAB1B6BAD for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 16:03:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5300::7]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.smtp.rzone.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80A76852BA for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 16:03:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1563724979; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=qCYc8CSeRV/+xHcaJFG9ju3/8AGMz+aiBMa2uciJosA=; b=gCIHE6bF6f1tWUQn0e7+PdbFy3BuES3DRysSZd0V3Fco4uQSS/vj5n2Z2yN8VIuKA4 C8XqKQcpXQ1WaTs15yuMyIZRZPEzf3zEfMCxT1QpTBIPkq8Hjhz1UTzoMiY7866hwdvL WScfOp5ZbCiLZyERnuZdRHpVLyS4Yn9RtLtTEu5dH3PNfk2di0vXeIip9bKCSf7026+B 8f5MVB17hqSnC7QSr+PgWLHCFxFytO0kMky52J6xEZ70n1V+mLlAur/LUhgAWnmntq6f hB2eRh4XiLYEuLUPAASFvkvuCLB1spxSYmC/aHkfQN4OBYwSwf+wMYYs2ruBwJPMuGEt HeXQ== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+ARdaXvxIDf7nlw=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.24 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e0059dv6LG2wpC2 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:02:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hpEIc-0006wC-Cz; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:02:58 +0200 Received: from lee by toy.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hpEIc-0002TC-1W; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:02:58 +0200 From: hw To: Polytropon Cc: George Hartzell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What does it mean to use ports? In-Reply-To: <20190716003705.eaa7db5f.freebsd@edvax.de> (Polytropon's message of "Tue, 16 Jul 2019 00:37:05 +0200") Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 03:54:33 +0200 Message-ID: <8736j6iw12.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91wqjl5.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <23851.63340.445828.46420@alice.local> <87sgr7joq7.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190716003705.eaa7db5f.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 80A76852BA X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=gCIHE6bF X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.16 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.06)[ip: (-6.66), ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.20), asn: 6724(-0.42), country: DE(-0.01)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: smtpin.rzone.de]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; DATE_IN_PAST(1.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 16:03:04 -0000 Polytropon writes: > On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 17:34:40 +0200, hw wrote: >> George Hartzell writes: >> > [...] >> > >> > The third hand (gripping hand, for you Pohl fans) is to build all of >> > your things offline using poudriere/synth and then manage them with >> > the pkg tools. It works best when you know what you want, and/or can >> > be patient when you decide you want new things. >> >> Thanks! Somehow I thought this would be a lot easier --- and of course, >> it isn't. For now, I'll stick with the binary packages until there's >> good reason not to. Anything else is too time consuming because there >> is so much that I need to figure out first. > > Once you have setup your build environment, you can automate > a lot of things. But as you have seen, this requires some work > upfront. However, if you need a lot of custom-built software, > poudriere or synth are very convenient tools, and in the end, > you can use pkg to interface with their results. The most time consuming part would be to learn and to decide about all the options of all the packages to compile. Doing that for just one package like emacs might take weeks because there are so many dependencies. And there's no end to it because one option I might like to disable or to enable for emacs might lead to some option of some library becoming questionable, and when I change that, all the other software using that library could require its options to be changed, and it goes on like that. At some point in the process, it might not work out at all because I picked options in contradiction to dependencies. Setting up the tools might be the smallest problem. 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In-Reply-To: (Manish Jain's message of "Sat, 13 Jul 2019 18:49:30 +0000") Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:02:10 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87zhl75ql4.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8099A852B9 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=CL0tBrFX X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[smtpin.rzone.de]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.980,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.73)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.20), asn: 6724(-0.42), country: DE(-0.01)]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 16:03:04 -0000 Manish Jain writes: > Hi, > > > Somebody has asked me for some images on my Android phone. > > So I first need to download those files from the phone to my FreeBSD box > and then email them. You could install Conversations or Xabber on the phone and send the files via XMPP, using file upload. You can then receive the URLs to the files with an XMPP client like mcabber and download the files with wget. If you can't get a free account on some XMPP server, you can always set up ejabberd or prosody --- and having an XMPP server can be extremely useful because you can use messages to do all kinds of stuff with programs/daemons written in perl or other languages. Asterisk natively does XMPP and thus joins in nicely. Writing an XMPP-to-email gateway in perl would be rather trivial once you get the hang of it. 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[209.85.210.44]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 36sm13518973otq.8.2019.07.21.09.22.24 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f44.google.com with SMTP id q20so37670896otl.0 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:22:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:6d8d:: with SMTP id x13mr23370748otp.6.1563726144407; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:22:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87zhl75ql4.fsf@toy.adminart.net> In-Reply-To: <87zhl75ql4.fsf@toy.adminart.net> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:22:13 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to explore Android device files under FreeBSD ? To: hw Cc: Manish Jain , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AFAA686049 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=ji73yKpH X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.22 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM,ALT2.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM,ASPMX4.GOOGLEMAIL.COM,ALT1.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM,ASPMX3.GOOGLEMAIL.COM,ASPMX5.GOOGLEMAIL.COM,ASPMX2.GOOGLEMAIL.COM]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.957,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.95)[ip: (-9.16), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.12), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[9.2.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 16:22:28 -0000 There are three utils I usually use for Android on FreeBSD: 1. ADB to transfer files and obtain system shell. 2. Fastboot to flash android devices. 3. 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Doing that for just one > package like emacs might take weeks because there are so many > dependencies. [...] > > At some point in the process, it might not work out at all because I > picked options in contradiction to dependencies. Setting up the tools > might be the smallest problem. All of that is true, but awfully pessimistic. Often things just work. Other times you have to run down one or two chains of x begets y begets z. I think that learning to build your own things is a good exercise, even if you switch back to pre-built packages. g. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 21 18:30:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAB2BA279 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:30:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 76nemo76@gmx.ch) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B506A8B580 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:30:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 76nemo76@gmx.ch) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1563733809; bh=42iWcrhn3qCPOVVxqpf8mcC6LkZGNb1+nt0W8i3dyaw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:To:From:Subject:Date; b=bjlFpu+Orydw/81854FXfDkOCegCtg+AH7W1ViTF84w+J1rN03BIlvOD8OTVlxHOL lQb4LDfy8lyfi/5o4OrPbcuIOAh00kjvqt63OugSgZFBSFE4En1aXHhkLGywzkiB1A tHSgN+BgwqoeX47m46MjnjNHsKpGJDe1GavpLZSg= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.88.189] ([85.195.219.254]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LiTrM-1iPPYp0PoC-00cdyT for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:17:11 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Pierre Dupond <76nemo76@gmx.ch> Subject: Assign an IP address to a bridge fail Message-ID: <240458a3-789a-7368-1848-e7dc66bb2eb7@gmx.ch> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:17:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8BumYqbh+XtbtubrNqOrYK/UYszeQFM2R6nE7hltyAZZ9GkMrfi OCH447NQakoijbDYSVmDxEvWMKQXVLyJVl6boYmSusRieq0GrkZ8X5mjjCQxZAgX/HAo1XW HpH6tEDTUd+nM9nmQ6bRG4imNxdSMNrEmLbn6oM/rsFdTCeeSANTGxC7c2W6eNG5lUYP5rl huxyO2dgU0Zbk5qCBZhJg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:AXkX4L4xbec=:Z3X08mqJF7lCi1vNPwWjME 6jJXaXoyec3E4yB9XUrpOWFUSlwu0sL4uBve7s1bf0uIGl8HafIqpz18zIF2u3BFw60daaOIb 4xHL845W7XrZUFenCly7r9ktJ90645Zs40QsG7QnFcWNAJg98ZhtpL7LtajPzScYdPKTgxhUY JoxrslZERNXCc2btJuxhOL+58S5HWnLrBD0hJq2BEnkeras+K82FUvhrMXPLBk5ot1nwmJbwO paGVdU77e4UOWyd3GNgBc0Y0yYtjbiAzJzouTqcy16x2XVy5O1pklrpZQMdSPfUe1qfsep/ev wzxhxZQ8dDVpl7vVIsqCUEJnAfdfMiyEE9+j5nkxZ2slIK4FJvRmvtjaEs/lfxYI2rzz4ZDG7 8a4v9hCiOCxdnuLbZkAe4Sx0Y7uxVLnloUk0UO0gHa3xOP4e8bZXuCQopKyEH/eIKY//7zsFl 5BzIawITfnm4g1xU0I+ABwZ5Yy6rl+QQDvgZvE51TAZhhtUytnjB0EvYxkOSVLT8NSJeE+LcJ V4T43zYeiNnxfpKPSJ+RvdVI9KcNKRprsPXfe1Eg7jOSrvKMyJug9DOHBjQsSXKvFvIDdUWLM Y0s3ffSpzLTZcgjSsD4zKdiWKC1Ntb3dPNJYR1QUTgNeIEobDOoVeuOWjW98tAC8fOPOJSj5+ dd1+l+q9thUvqYQQINM3r+oVUO9glrjkKBxZLTCz9VI2KDz/3TmDGTdmzYeOR+sF5mBhRMcnd t9TIfvc51/JhBigI66tn1bNK0/jepHHekwhxlnY0fA9RpocInRn+mI7TOJbIuMAURj2innVO6 bZ1U9whfiwriO5my2/pF3v6YwfVzIHGcAVodAjW3IUN6rp5LqIBHP4/8BiXjSDTMvrnelpyKZ dQbZt9kx9I4V6LZ53weLirNbZOBiu1oOikKM/L9qb82DzkofMdZmms94pRaySCxQhntCcJl+x eJFIG04fUPxexQiFi1eN7j+N8FFO4F2yaQBLdRt7cMJwEbEJOjcOUMpr6f7xAtciDPqCE3hIp 3Bc8+DSUzSpYJy57XLTp+AQs/b9KhT0tKCNDDw0qsD4QjVWgMu+fO65RqRMOSnC5glynXEVcn tV3+6p3x3P6NvU= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B506A8B580 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.net header.s=badeba3b8450 header.b=bjlFpu+O; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 76nemo76@gmx.ch designates 212.227.17.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=76nemo76@gmx.ch X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.54 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.227.17.0/27]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmx.ch]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmx.net:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx00.emig.gmx.net,mx01.emig.gmx.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.949,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[22.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmx.ch]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmx.net:s=badeba3b8450]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gmx.ch]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.98)[ip: (-5.85), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.42), asn: 8560(2.37), country: DE(-0.01)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:30:24 -0000 Hi all, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I am facing a stran= ge problem. Just after installing a fresh Freebsd 12 on an Pc Engines APU machine, I build a bridge with the 4 network cards. If I try to setup the address of the bridge in the "/etc/rc.conf" file, I can not ping (outside the address given to the bridge). But if I comment the line for setting the address in the file "/etc/rc.conf" and I set the address manually with the command "ifconfig bridge0 inet 172.16.0.11 netmask 255.255.254.0" the ping works. Do I have made an obvious mistake in the "rc.conf" file? What could be the reason of this problem? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. best regards, =2D---------------------------------Content of the rc.conf file---------------------------------------------------------- root@oche:~ # cat /tmp/rc.conf cat: /tmp/rc.conf: No such file or directory root@oche:~ # cat /etc/rc.conf cloned_interfaces=3D"bridge0" ifconfig_bridge0=3D"addm igb0 addm igb1 addm igb2 addm igb3 up" ifconfig_igb0=3D"up" ifconfig_igb1=3D"up" ifconfig_igb2=3D"up" ifconfig_igb3=3D"up" ifconfig_bridge0=3D"inet 172.16.0.11 netmask 255.255.254.0" defaultrouter=3D"172.16.0.10" # #Reste de la config #------------------ # clear_tmp_enable=3D"YES" hostname=3D"oche.local.sourire.ch" sshd_enable=3D"YES" ntpdate_enable=3D"YES" ntpd_enable=3D"YES" powerd_enable=3D"YES" # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable dumpdev=3D"AUTO" =2D----------------------------------------------Info about the bridge and ping commands bridge0: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ether 02:91:bc:80:6d:00 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 inet 172.16.0.11 netmask 0xffff= fe00 broadcast 172.16.1.255 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 3= 2768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp = maxaddr 2000 timeout 1200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 prior= ity 32768 ifcost 0 port 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 groups: bridge =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 nd6 options=3D9 root@oche:~ # ping 172.16.0.11 PING 172.16.0.11 (172.16.0.11): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 172.16.0.11: icmp_seq=3D0 ttl=3D64 time=3D0.221 ms 64 bytes from 172.16.0.11: icmp_seq=3D1 ttl=3D64 time=3D0.202 ms 64 bytes from 172.16.0.11: icmp_seq=3D2 ttl=3D64 time=3D0.203 ms ^C =2D-- 172.16.0.11 ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 0.202/0.209/0.221/0.009 ms root@oche:~ # ping 172.16.0.10 PING 172.16.0.10 (172.16.0.10): 56 data bytes ping: sendto: Host is down ping: sendto: Host is down ping: sendto: Host is down ping: sendto: Host is down ^C =2D-- 172.16.0.10 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 21 18:33:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC92EBA517 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC5AD8B932 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:33:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [80.187.83.47] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpGdg-0004G3-PX; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:32:52 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id x6LIWhug004075 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:32:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id x6LIWdAU004074; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:32:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:32:39 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: George Hartzell Cc: hw , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What does it mean to use ports? 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Doing that for just one > > package like emacs might take weeks because there are so many > > dependencies. [...] > > > > At some point in the process, it might not work out at all because I > > picked options in contradiction to dependencies. Setting up the tools > > might be the smallest problem. > > All of that is true, but awfully pessimistic. Often things just work. > Other times you have to run down one or two chains of x begets y > begets z. > > I think that learning to build your own things is a good exercise, > even if you switch back to pre-built packages. I compile my own set of the ports I'm used to use with poudriere(8). Based on a list of some 400 ports the result is some 2000 packages ready to install. Very seldom, I tweak the options of some port (for example to add features to mail/mutt, or to add features to x11/xterm) and there are never conflicts among of the options. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub May, 9: Спаси́бо освободители! Thank you very much, Russian liberators! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 21 21:16:55 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC99BF491 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:16:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kamisouckova@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe42.google.com (mail-vs1-xe42.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D2416D21D for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:16:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kamisouckova@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe42.google.com with SMTP id y16so24818832vsc.3 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:16:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=P0h8T4J9Fv8FH4sZ1lDaqbSivswqg6/z4dnxyKhJpTM=; b=LMzSnDwprkv1A93H3da6DxwDX0zsx2EZ8QT43BpgYMOyOFWiX9vuTlsKQ5h6uki2jj Rf7gXLGU9kf3FCYxl/Q8r4ZOtOwDoM8O9bIHu2DRtpp+FkkBE8crgtMF8/8/rKLj+FnQ cnj9MqFEkZH75k03sTUchb/rf5k5ZXT3vZ9rFtAJ7EHpS1DAeBpXUXkBbkIo/k+BP9mm 8d7L0DnFRSs6wCfld+zjn6Vo8YpXCNqJ2xHoutxR6gz8olDamCf4C/dM8wg1SG8bRHzI w4VVmFn36YIbDtcvWShr85CaJamU5pi7U8FVHSfN6j8ENvNWg/BNxVdHvNHbkhRSsBRh bBLQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=P0h8T4J9Fv8FH4sZ1lDaqbSivswqg6/z4dnxyKhJpTM=; b=tx++voB9Qagq2LlcQsEQGUvCzQLH1TO89lvAcPOK0CLO3S2yMEsnqgsj8E7050Y8uf DvOrRp7lbwsmQfblZcC/mCeX7oVPikjLoMYAQaWW82OIqWXCe5EoLPG4s9wIareJvday mlV3a2ALrfYyTAHnYG5JXHYHCxYP3XR0ZZGgB/rq+VzezXKKg95vd1kWKx8tTW3OVPff IGsShmTBXHWB7Rb+lHtm+wnoKrna9H8k14cCidodRI3xiecCylqBeehTwYPrGVYgihNs 2exzjlR2BGxBb5bJiSNf6AP9HdKXchVZf/ixQOBXXACwR6273ds7eUDN7mc2uGmTA4Qk Oi3Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXN7GNf1BK057IE+dEqn6NhxCPUiaj6/2AV0EpjTFUXsA2UlWfT Q+4IpoNysFn6UhVFR3TXQ4zEKV+jcfBBdrP8F31PboOo X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx7kikNJpIQeqRw6eSoGX4oAz8GCFeQLSGcO9Ue9TWWuNshU68B4502YTQ8H2lqytgvpx4MPWOo64XYOLpB4lk= X-Received: by 2002:a67:b70f:: with SMTP id h15mr34857714vsf.161.1563743814475; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:16:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <240458a3-789a-7368-1848-e7dc66bb2eb7@gmx.ch> In-Reply-To: <240458a3-789a-7368-1848-e7dc66bb2eb7@gmx.ch> From: =?UTF-8?B?S2FtaWxhIFNvdcSNa292w6E=?= Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 23:16:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Assign an IP address to a bridge fail To: Pierre Dupond <76nemo76@gmx.ch> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0D2416D21D X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=LMzSnDwp; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kamisouckova@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kamisouckova@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.97 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[5]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.33)[-0.326,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmx.ch]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.4.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; HTTP_TO_IP(1.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.64)[ip: (2.40), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.11), asn: 15169(-2.42), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:16:55 -0000 On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, 20:30 Pierre Dupond, <76nemo76@gmx.ch> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am facing a strange problem. Just after installing a fresh > > Freebsd 12 on an Pc Engines APU machine, I build a bridge with the 4 > > network cards. > > > If I try to setup the address of the bridge in the "/etc/rc.conf" file, > I can not ping (outside the address > > given to the bridge). But if I comment the line for setting the address > in the file > > "/etc/rc.conf" and I set the address manually with the command > > "ifconfig bridge0 inet 172.16.0.11 netmask 255.255.254.0" the ping works. > > Do I have made an obvious mistake in the "rc.conf" file? What could be > the reason of this problem? > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > > > best regards, > > > ----------------------------------Content of the rc.conf > file---------------------------------------------------------- > root@oche:~ # cat /tmp/rc.conf > cat: /tmp/rc.conf: No such file or directory > root@oche:~ # cat /etc/rc.conf > cloned_interfaces="bridge0" > ifconfig_bridge0="addm igb0 addm igb1 addm igb2 addm igb3 up" > ifconfig_igb0="up" > ifconfig_igb1="up" > ifconfig_igb2="up" > ifconfig_igb3="up" > ifconfig_bridge0="inet 172.16.0.11 netmask 255.255.254.0" > defaultrouter="172.16.0.10" > # > #Reste de la config > #------------------ > # > clear_tmp_enable="YES" > hostname="oche.local.sourire.ch" > sshd_enable="YES" > ntpdate_enable="YES" > ntpd_enable="YES" > powerd_enable="YES" > # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable > dumpdev="AUTO" > > -----------------------------------------------Info about the bridge and > ping commands > > bridge0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu > 1500 > ether 02:91:bc:80:6d:00 > inet 172.16.0.11 netmask 0xfffffe00 broadcast 172.16.1.255 > id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 > maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp maxaddr 2000 timeout 1200 > root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 ifcost 0 port 0 > groups: bridge > nd6 options=9 > root@oche:~ # ping 172.16.0.11 > PING 172.16.0.11 (172.16.0.11): 56 data bytes > 64 bytes from 172.16.0.11: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.221 ms > 64 bytes from 172.16.0.11: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.202 ms > 64 bytes from 172.16.0.11: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.203 ms > ^C > --- 172.16.0.11 ping statistics --- > 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0.0% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.202/0.209/0.221/0.009 ms > root@oche:~ # ping 172.16.0.10 > PING 172.16.0.10 (172.16.0.10): 56 data bytes > ping: sendto: Host is down > ping: sendto: Host is down > ping: sendto: Host is down > ping: sendto: Host is down > ^C > --- 172.16.0.10 ping statistics --- > 4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss > You're redefining ifconfig_bridge0 in your rc.conf (you have it there twice). Also, there were some issues with bridge config in rc.conf, but I don't recall the details. In any case, not having ifconfig_bridge0 twice is a good start. 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In-Reply-To: <20190721183239.GA3996@c720-r342378> (Matthias Apitz's message of "Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:32:39 +0200") Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:43:20 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <875znu603b.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91wqjl5.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <23851.63340.445828.46420@alice.local> <87sgr7joq7.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190716003705.eaa7db5f.freebsd@edvax.de> <8736j6iw12.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <23860.43628.637748.236257@alice.local> <20190721183239.GA3996@c720-r342378> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 23DF587511 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=EmiUqY19 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.03 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: smtpin.rzone.de]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.21)[-0.206,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.72)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.18), asn: 6724(-0.42), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:10:34 -0000 Matthias Apitz writes: > El d=C3=ADa domingo, julio 21, 2019 a las 11:09:48a. m. -0700, George Har= tzell escribi=C3=B3: > >> hw writes: >> > Polytropon writes: >> > [...] >> > The most time consuming part would be to learn and to decide about all >> > the options of all the packages to compile. Doing that for just one >> > package like emacs might take weeks because there are so many >> > dependencies. [...] >> > >> > At some point in the process, it might not work out at all because I >> > picked options in contradiction to dependencies. Setting up the tools >> > might be the smallest problem. >>=20 >> All of that is true, but awfully pessimistic. Often things just work. >> Other times you have to run down one or two chains of x begets y >> begets z. >>=20 >> I think that learning to build your own things is a good exercise, >> even if you switch back to pre-built packages. > > I compile my own set of the ports I'm used to use with poudriere(8). > Based on a list of some 400 ports the result is some 2000 packages ready > to install. Very seldom, I tweak the options of some port (for example > to add features to mail/mutt, or to add features to x11/xterm) and there = are > never conflicts among of the options. Hm, is there something in place that prevents messing up things through options, or is everything ok because you almost never change them? 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In-Reply-To: <23860.43628.637748.236257@alice.local> (George Hartzell's message of "Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:09:48 -0700") Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:09:59 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87a7d660a1.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91wqjl5.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <23851.63340.445828.46420@alice.local> <87sgr7joq7.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190716003705.eaa7db5f.freebsd@edvax.de> <8736j6iw12.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <23860.43628.637748.236257@alice.local> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 21C9687510 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=mzs2jl/J X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: smtpin.rzone.de]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.21)[-0.214,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.72)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.18), asn: 6724(-0.42), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:10:34 -0000 George Hartzell writes: > hw writes: > > Polytropon writes: > > [...] > > The most time consuming part would be to learn and to decide about all > > the options of all the packages to compile. Doing that for just one > > package like emacs might take weeks because there are so many > > dependencies. [...] > > > > At some point in the process, it might not work out at all because I > > picked options in contradiction to dependencies. Setting up the tools > > might be the smallest problem. > > All of that is true, but awfully pessimistic. Often things just work. hmm, maybe > Other times you have to run down one or two chains of x begets y > begets z. Well, I've seen Gentoo becoming entirely impossible to update like this because z would then beget x. You had to update emerge before something required to update emerge could be updated, and emerge was unable to update that before it itself had been updated. I'm not so pessimistic as to ever dream or even expect anything like that, but it did happen and I had to deprecate Gentoo because of it. > I think that learning to build your own things is a good exercise, > even if you switch back to pre-built packages. right Yet I don't see myself using FreeBSD much. It won't work with the hardware, isn't too great with virtualization as a host, and I'm not familiar with it. I might have a single use case in a VM, and I'm still undecided whether there's enough to gain from creating an isolated incident or not to be worth it. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 07:10:34 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829F4A993A for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:10:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5300::12]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.smtp.rzone.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F9D88750F for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1563779430; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=KHvQkBAEHtxjwtUJCUBYbo4u5zxhW7O/W9GZLYGmOic=; b=nioqeHdBn1Db0X6gDRxQYi1uTsR3cCrVpsncRn0QjSa4kq0h2IRCSWbDvf+ByGKrSu k0qcMSWap4oQLC9xljqRdEIXeROZzxxD1VSPAjBS1MxYgAoqDpEYsdHzSjwWHGLVKT0r siQDtO3dRZE/qkjag5cpNSquWeJkYQxnAun0tvJDBUIp5uzPksvsdsGMICAp25Tz0gWP UzGsqYyjBYDiPhSoczqrlTrcHo2E1bmznZRfgMhCu7YSr2It6pwHvTl00M5KhE7pLyvY K411Qrp1qOc78ieiqC6qV7rP5/b4lPvJ6x1coCZfP4x+eMVjC9Fsgs7eC+Px8CGBW2uy Iyiw== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+ARdaXvxIDf7nlw=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.24 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e0059dv6M7AUqHy (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:10:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hpSSr-00027j-LF; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:10:29 +0200 Received: from lee by toy.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hpSSr-0001L9-AI; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:10:29 +0200 From: hw To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dead slow update servers In-Reply-To: <20190715171551.4398e18aae6b91e2ee01333c@sohara.org> (Steve O'Hara-Smith's message of "Mon, 15 Jul 2019 17:15:51 +0100") Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:08:19 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87ef2i64ho.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87sgrbi3qg.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190712171910.GA25091@neutralgood.org> <871ryuj3ex.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <874l3qfvqw.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190714011303.GA25317@neutralgood.org> <87v9w58apd.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <0ed2aef9-0cb8-b7ab-711e-34f139c60285@osfux.nl> <87zhlgqlqz.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190715055400.8528e4ea2b4b575b8649d7b1@sohara.org> <871ryrl4vz.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190715171551.4398e18aae6b91e2ee01333c@sohara.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1F9D88750F X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=nioqeHdB X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.19 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: smtpin.rzone.de]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.36)[-0.359,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.72)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.20), asn: 6724(-0.42), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:10:34 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith writes: > On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 17:00:16 +0200 > hw wrote: > >> Steve O'Hara-Smith writes: >> >> > On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 00:44:52 +0200 >> > hw wrote: >> > >> >> What is the point of doing this? When you have hardware RAID, just use >> >> it rather than ZFS. >> > >> > ZFS is a far better solution than hardware RAID and any other >> > file system. The only reason for using hardware RAID is because you >> > cannot use ZFS for some reason. >> >> It's more like the only reason not to use hardware RAID is when you >> don't have it. > > Nope, I have hardware RAID available I leave it disabled and run > ZFS on drives as JBOD. That requires special hardware. With standard hardware, the disks are inaccessible when the RAID controller is disabled, and there is no JBOD. When you have special hardware, why didn't you omit the hardware RAID you're not using anyway when putting it together? >> ZFS is just another file system with its advantages and disadvantages. >> That doesn't make it generally the best solution. > > ZFS is a file system with an *integrated* redundancy layer, the > coupling between the two has benefits than cannot be matched by separate > RAID and filesystem. That doesn't make ZFS generally the best solution. Have you checked the support for FreeBSD on common servers made by HP or Dell? The lack of it makes FreeBSD a bad choice before starting to think about ZFS, and ZFS would be a bad choice on such hardware for its lack of JBODs. Having to buy special hardware and/or putting your servers together yourself also doesn't make ZFS the best solution. It's just one of the disadvantages of ZFS. >> You could even say ZFS is generally the worst solution because it is >> incompatible with common hard- and software. Nonetheless, under the >> right circumstances, ZFS can still be the best solution. And why aren't >> there any hardware ZFS controllers? > > We call them file servers or NAS boxes depending on which decade we > learned our terminology. A controller card doesn't make a server, no matter how you call it. Besides, accessing files over the network isn't always the best solution, either. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 08:50:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F1EABEAB for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:50:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 76nemo76@gmx.ch) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3468F8B287 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 76nemo76@gmx.ch) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1563785409; bh=rqHADv2FqsIqURnPgC3QnwCTl1rVvyj9wDecO7DWQx8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Hr3o+H1tq3YRItFm7OrxNFbPQuXGPECozojzu/spyUA7lwSc+olawe8WbLsENAbQf Ax+K1+gAEFlAcYfBkcsJeyHXKWh5Wmo8vyP3qLmplyVclE8ZpXDFVKbVgQJF+1+9Im SVkymtnlEmuAXKHN9bDDfRf17fgHdv6V5QE7W0kY= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.88.189] ([85.195.219.254]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M7kwW-1ibvUx0hwO-00vOPX; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:25:47 +0200 Subject: Re: Assign an IP address to a bridge fail To: =?UTF-8?B?S2FtaWxhIFNvdcSNa292w6E=?= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <240458a3-789a-7368-1848-e7dc66bb2eb7@gmx.ch> From: Pierre Dupond <76nemo76@gmx.ch> Message-ID: <316cb53f-4dad-90c1-664b-7a139ef8950e@gmx.ch> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:25:44 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:rvqj5+QlXo9ARBGRZTAxuvY9eaoEPI/WXhb5RDo882fkkm2w6LH svFmw0HU0/LQ37hMa53CY3PpdlpFX86uKCoNUJw/mImgZKbbLjvjZlUOVNoiSF7FA8TaUJ2 sUzoH0w1CalUyTDAEcixcNDZ43wpUV5HRo0djs4kcFvqFtCWzXe575BdOaTWkPNicCNB/e0 vZr6L/zMN2Cq69w4JpfFA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:XDURahCagM4=:JEnhlcwlFrCxi2b0eWLhOP pUBcS8+0nMPgLLMwkWNA6t3OtbeC9WsLUHF3LjHmks7Sxh/WmlfmZ+hy8g3qtTtbTDjKU82Df nCr3ASTucOntTESV6wknKBDcBV6PhyB3nzFTs/7dwOtGBmothNk38a+gFlUSvntlINaaiQ1yC VH+xtZ6+hH73u2oxhXEjq+GefNJbmMEdO1xgDJ1jDLuz/9Z1eK2RdsrTOO3t/6YHsGIY15ckR rR485hH7HZ6fMFn27x1O7/XaNZJiNJ1lJ/aL4LEQwuxRVxsxOeJM4P3TB0fMBF7iSyZY6dyqV 7CWy2WLKQ/egmHDepbVRxAHfb8YDRLqzwCdz/1Twi2PCdk29G2SUGioO/NW043/yF6FK7Aomz 4Rn55L25G76O30oDyYryeSRzEP6BhiVKCRKt+JiCFMIpf/rGPmDUZPwM7VcT+x6PeZZIFcVO/ 2TQRZRc5fM4vIlz5Tqx35tBiay1fSgesz87JUtxBIvSeREFFde4ZdbEa3MyQbPdgjAAp0cn7l cQdCtL1BHpo0kE/8G56B4N5JlE0LA+4uncxG5ifY0lYDaYZj0CLF8++SSxNNnjm++/K/vTCTB joddTnlzHpraMkuDt/h0o1Zx0rcJSJWQyGMUNoG50T+iKn8bPrDORcyxD7HZxyxOM/lK358Kn r+BdLDettt3Bz3xub8lKLkb+DwgojidVhQjJTVJ1HeJ9sIYfCCVu0Y5eRkn8DqlXUBs2zlelg VViGqj/5UOXPpqJW+gtO7SvKvVSalRuJRpZryJylwgRakpkysWLJxJDRDb18i1u2yuKCh2spA jYyP/CnYrowJGmn4X8N6xl3rO48RGbJo6ghF/uf0rLgeRsMjb4WW5Zgd5gW2A5myL91PT2lKw yKK2V35b+EkWgrjV7ccxdZgTOKFJeym/iF64/eUmEWfRQHEcBKx9i+X7ATbEXp8gbuEk8sXXf mK6OREasM+ZrZBSvSCfmZMXx+QtR76ieY1V5JM/4oWhYIjxborGGJGjmKZfph6K0UhfSCKgCT XWb/VcSemJPzpsYZGWfRHu8l8T+mrNBJqLC5zSQuCUE//NBfTKvLcxoMwTWktsgIGvdAyf3it JabpKjLaO5x5lc= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3468F8B287 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.net header.s=badeba3b8450 header.b=Hr3o+H1t; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 76nemo76@gmx.ch designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=76nemo76@gmx.ch X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.92 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmx.ch]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.227.17.0/27]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.emig.gmx.net]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmx.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.25)[-0.248,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[20.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmx.ch]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmx.net:s=badeba3b8450]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gmx.ch]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.07)[ip: (-6.27), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.43), asn: 8560(2.37), country: DE(-0.01)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:50:22 -0000 Hi, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thanks for the tip. I have slightly modified the file "/etc/rc.conf" and now the network is setup correctly. You have t= o note that the command "inet 172.16.0.11" (in the variable "ifconfig_bridge0") should appear first otherwise the address is not set. By the way, since there is 4 igb cards on this machine, it seems to be a good idea to add this instruction: kern.ipc.nmbclusters=3D"131072" in the file "/boot/loader.conf" as it is mentioned in the man page of the "igb" driver and in this link: =C2=A0=C2=A0 https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/hardware/tuning-and-troubleshoo= ting-network-cards.html best regards, =2D----------------------------------------------Functioning file rc.conf----------------------------------------------------------- #The configuration of the network. The four #network cards of the APU are used here as a unique bridge. # #Since this machine is often used as a server, #having a bridge can avoid to cable an external #switch to connect to it some other net devices. cloned_interfaces=3D"bridge0" ifconfig_igb0=3D"up" ifconfig_igb1=3D"up" ifconfig_igb2=3D"up" ifconfig_igb3=3D"up" #Only one variable "ifconfig_bridge0" should be defined #and the address specification should be the first parameter. #With this solution the bridge is correctly configured at boot, #otherwise some strange and wrong things happen and the network #does not work. ifconfig_bridge0=3D"inet 192.168.1.11/23 addm igb0 addm igb1 addm igb2 addm igb3 up" defaultrouter=3D"192.168.1.1" #To have all the interfaces (present and future, for instance #when dynamically created) with the IPv6 capability ipv6_activate_all_interfaces=3D"YES" # #Force the creation of temporary IPv6 address. Complicate #tracing ipv6_privacy=3D"YES" #All the network prefixes used on this interface. ipv6_prefix_bridge0=3D"2000:0:0:0 fd:0:0:0" #Prefer IPv6 address when possible by using rules #described in RFC 6724. ip6addrctl_enable=3D"ipv6_prefer" ifconfig_bridge0_ipv6=3D"inet6 fd::2 prefixlen 64" ifconfig_bridge0_alias0=3D"inet6 2000::2 prefixlen 64" ipv6_defaultrouter=3D"fd0::1" # #Reste de la config #------------------ # clear_tmp_enable=3D"YES" hostname=3D"oche.local.sourire.ch" sshd_enable=3D"YES" ntpdate_enable=3D"YES" ntpd_enable=3D"YES" powerd_enable=3D"YES" # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable dumpdev=3D"AUTO" zfs_enable=3D"YES" Le 21/07/2019 =C3=A0 23:16, Kamila Sou=C4=8Dkov=C3=A1 a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > > > On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, 20:30 Pierre Dupond, <76nemo76@gmx.ch > > wrote: > > Hi all, > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I am facing a= strange problem. Just after installing a fresh > > Freebsd 12 on an Pc Engines APU machine, I build a bridge with the 4 > > network cards. > > > If I try to setup the address of the bridge in the "/etc/rc.conf" > file, > I can not ping (outside the address > > given to the bridge). But if I comment the line for setting the > address > in the file > > "/etc/rc.conf" and I set the address manually with the command > > "ifconfig bridge0 inet 172.16.0.11 netmask 255.255.254.0" the ping > works. > > Do I have made an obvious mistake in the "rc.conf" file? What could = be > the reason of this problem? > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > > > best regards, > > > ----------------------------------Content of the rc.conf > file---------------------------------------------------------- > root@oche:~ # cat /tmp/rc.conf > cat: /tmp/rc.conf: No such file or directory > root@oche:~ # cat /etc/rc.conf > cloned_interfaces=3D"bridge0" > ifconfig_bridge0=3D"addm igb0 addm igb1 addm igb2 addm igb3 up" > ifconfig_igb0=3D"up" > ifconfig_igb1=3D"up" > ifconfig_igb2=3D"up" > ifconfig_igb3=3D"up" > ifconfig_bridge0=3D"inet 172.16.0.11 netmask 255.255.254.0" > defaultrouter=3D"172.16.0.10" > # > #Reste de la config > #------------------ > # > clear_tmp_enable=3D"YES" > hostname=3D"oche.local.sourire.ch " > sshd_enable=3D"YES" > ntpdate_enable=3D"YES" > ntpd_enable=3D"YES" > powerd_enable=3D"YES" > # Set dumpdev to "AUTO" to enable crash dumps, "NO" to disable > dumpdev=3D"AUTO" > > -----------------------------------------------Info about the > bridge and > ping commands > > bridge0: flags=3D8843 metric > 0 mtu > 1500 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ether 02:91:bc:80:6d:00 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 inet 172.16.0.11 netmask = 0xfffffe00 broadcast 172.16.1.255 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 id 00:00:00:00:00:00 prio= rity 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto= rstp maxaddr 2000 timeout 1200 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 root id 00:00:00:00:00:00= priority 32768 ifcost 0 port 0 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 groups: bridge > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 nd6 options=3D9 > root@oche:~ # ping 172.16.0.11 > PING 172.16.0.11 (172.16.0.11): 56 data bytes > 64 bytes from 172.16.0.11 : icmp_seq=3D0 ttl=3D6= 4 > time=3D0.221 ms > 64 bytes from 172.16.0.11 : icmp_seq=3D1 ttl=3D6= 4 > time=3D0.202 ms > 64 bytes from 172.16.0.11 : icmp_seq=3D2 ttl=3D6= 4 > time=3D0.203 ms > ^C > --- 172.16.0.11 ping statistics --- > 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0.0% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 0.202/0.209/0.221/0.009 ms > root@oche:~ # ping 172.16.0.10 > PING 172.16.0.10 (172.16.0.10): 56 data bytes > ping: sendto: Host is down > ping: sendto: Host is down > ping: sendto: Host is down > ping: sendto: Host is down > ^C > --- 172.16.0.10 ping statistics --- > 4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss=C2=A0 > > > You're redefining ifconfig_bridge0 in your rc.conf (you have it there > twice).=C2=A0 > > Also, there were some issues with bridge config in rc.conf, but I > don't recall the details. In any case, not having ifconfig_bridge0 > twice is a good start.=C2=A0 > > Best,=C2=A0 > Kamila=C2=A0 > (sent from my phone)=C2=A0 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 09:46:29 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596D3AD0EC for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:46:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dch@skunkwerks.at) Received: from wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26C6A8D430 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dch@skunkwerks.at) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA61540; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 05:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap6 ([10.202.2.56]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); 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What I mean is I have a jail called portsbuild, and in that > jail I'm running poudriere. It is not on the host, yet it is giving me= > problems, host loaded modules, and it's saying jail.set command not > allowed. >=20 > A working configuration is welcome. >=20 > Thanks. > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebs= d.org" >=20 Hey Dave What are you trying to achieve? poudriere already runs all builds in jails and if you=E2=80=99re using z= fs, stores all data in separate zroot/poudriere datasets. Hard to get mu= ch cleaner than it already is - aside from a handful of config files and= any ccache data it=E2=80=99s as jailed as you can expect. I bookmarked this a while back, it probably is still sufficient. The ori= ginal site appears to have bitrotted. https://web.archive.org/web/20160324110859/https://www.tobeannounced.org= /2015/02/poudriere-in-a-jail/ Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 10:23:16 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE18ADBAF for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:23:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from liedtke@punkt.de) Received: from kagate.punkt.de (kagate.punkt.de [217.29.33.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A30F38E8E3 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:23:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from liedtke@punkt.de) Received: from hugo10.ka.punkt.de (hugo10.ka.punkt.de [217.29.44.10]) by gate2.intern.punkt.de with ESMTP id x6MACXlX086772; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:12:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.29.44.107] ([217.29.44.107]) by hugo10.ka.punkt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id x6MACXEl014666; 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If you want these, just give me a call. Best regards Lars Am 20.07.19 um 00:29 schrieb David Mehler: > Hello, > > Does anyone have a configuration for 12.0 that runs poudriere in it's > own jail? What I mean is I have a jail called portsbuild, and in that > jail I'm running poudriere. It is not on the host, yet it is giving me > problems, host loaded modules, and it's saying jail.set command not > allowed. > > A working configuration is welcome. > > Thanks. > Dave. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- punkt.de GmbH * Kaiserallee 13a * 76133 Karlsruhe Tel. 0721 9109 0 * Fax 0721 9109 100 info@punkt.de https://www.punkt.de Gf: Jürgen Egeling AG Mannheim 108285 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 10:28:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD41ADD98 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grazyna@madosystemy.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F0F8ED72 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grazyna@madosystemy.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 59485ADD8F; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B63ADD8E for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grazyna@madosystemy.com) Received: from shared-aos152.rev.nazwa.pl (shared-aos152.rev.nazwa.pl [85.128.253.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54C58ED65 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:28:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grazyna@madosystemy.com) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV (16) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.012 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.012 tagged_above=-10 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NAC_582=4, NO_FM_NAME_IP_HOSTN=0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=disabled Received: from [142.234.157.211] (unknown [142.234.157.211]) by madosystemy.nazwa.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CB91C5EAC for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:28:26 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: =?utf-8?q?1_=E2=9C=89_New_message_questions=40freebsd=2Eorg?= To: questions@freebsd.org From: "survay" Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 03:28:25 -0700 Message-Id: <20190722102826.81CB91C5EAC@madosystemy.nazwa.pl> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C54C58ED65 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.34 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.995,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[madosystemy.com]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: madosystemy.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[152.253.128.85.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15967, ipnet:85.128.192.0/18, country:PL]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(1.35)[ipnet: 85.128.192.0/18(3.44), asn: 15967(3.27), country: PL(0.06)] X-Spam: Yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: Mail message body X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:28:28 -0000 Dear questions@freebsd.org, = = On 25th July 2019, Your account will expire and your email will be terminat= ed from our server. 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To: FreeBSD Mailing List , FreeBSD chat X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C3A9E6BA7E X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=QBLAVqeg; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.85 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.962,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.89)[ip: (-8.85), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.11), asn: 15169(-2.42), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:59:28 -0000 My current desktop (FreeBSD 11.2-pl10 AMD64) is starting to have a lot of hardware problems (extreme problems with even the smallest power hiccup for example [rebooted several hundred times yesterday during NYC brownouts]). What is a good replacement for between $500-$1000? (if Ryzen is stable I would like to use one). I have attached the dmesg for my current system below (I have gotten everything to work on it, xfce-4, firefox, etc. *EXCEPT* any hypervisor despite repeated attempts and working with the bhyve team). I prefer a custom built machine over a name brand. Copyright (c) 1992-2018 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p10 #1 r349114: Sun Jun 16 12:44:01 EDT 2019 root@lilith:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 FreeBSD clang version 6.0.0 (tags/RELEASE_600/final 326565) (based on LLVM 6.0.0) VT(vga): resolution 640x480 CPU: AMD A6-3650 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (2595.34-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x300f10 Family=0x12 Model=0x1 Stepping=0 Features=0x178bfbff Features2=0x802009 AMD Features=0xee400800 AMD Features2=0x37ff SVM: NP,NRIP,NAsids=64 TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics real memory = 17179869184 (16384 MB) avail memory = 16557277184 (15790 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 4 core(s) Firmware Warning (ACPI): Optional FADT field Pm2ControlBlock has valid Length but zero Address: 0x0000000000000000/0x1 (20171214/tbfadt-796) ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! Timecounter "TSC-low" frequency 1297668931 Hz quality 800 random: entropy device external interface kbd1 at kbdmux0 netmap: loaded module module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff80ff4820, 0) error 19 nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX platforms 390.87 Tue Aug 21 15:53:31 PDT 2018 nexus0 vtvga0: on motherboard cryptosoft0: on motherboard acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 cpu2: on acpi0 cpu3: on acpi0 attimer0: port 0x40-0x43 irq 0 on acpi0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71 irq 8 on acpi0 atrtc0: registered as a time-of-day clock, resolution 1.000000s Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950 Event timer "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 450 Event timer "HPET1" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 450 Event timer "HPET2" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 450 Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pcib0: _OSC returned error 0x10 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: irq 18 at device 2.0 on pci0 pcib1: [GIANT-LOCKED] pci1: on pcib1 vgapci0: port 0xe000-0xe07f mem 0xfd000000-0xfdffffff,0xf0000000-0xf7ffffff,0xf8000000-0xf9ffffff irq 18 at device 0.0 on pci1 nvidia0: on vgapci0 vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io vgapci0: Boot video device hdac0: mem 0xfe080000-0xfe083fff irq 19 at device 0.1 on pci1 pcib2: irq 16 at device 4.0 on pci0 pcib2: [GIANT-LOCKED] pci2: on pcib2 ral0: mem 0xfe100000-0xfe10ffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci2 ral0: MAC/BBP RT5390 (rev 0x0502), RF RT5390 (MIMO 1T1R), address 20:10:7a:58:b9:29 pcib3: irq 17 at device 5.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 re0: port 0xd000-0xd0ff mem 0xfa104000-0xfa104fff,0xfa100000-0xfa103fff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci3 re0: Using 1 MSI-X message re0: Chip rev. 0x2c000000 re0: MAC rev. 0x00200000 miibus0: on re0 rgephy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 rgephy0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-master, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow re0: Using defaults for TSO: 65518/35/2048 re0: Ethernet address: e8:40:f2:97:38:d1 re0: netmap queues/slots: TX 1/256, RX 1/256 ahci0: port 0xf040-0xf047,0xf030-0xf033,0xf020-0xf027,0xf010-0xf013,0xf000-0xf00f mem 0xfe20c000-0xfe20c7ff irq 19 at device 17.0 on pci0 ahci0: AHCI v1.30 with 6 3Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 ahcich1: at channel 1 on ahci0 ahcich2: at channel 2 on ahci0 ahcich3: at channel 3 on ahci0 ahcich4: at channel 4 on ahci0 ahcich5: at channel 5 on ahci0 ohci0: mem 0xfe20b000-0xfe20bfff irq 18 at device 18.0 on pci0 usbus0 on ohci0 usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ehci0: mem 0xfe20a000-0xfe20a0ff irq 17 at device 18.2 on pci0 usbus1: EHCI version 1.0 usbus1 on ehci0 usbus1: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 ohci1: mem 0xfe209000-0xfe209fff irq 18 at device 19.0 on pci0 usbus2 on ohci1 usbus2: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ehci1: mem 0xfe208000-0xfe2080ff irq 17 at device 19.2 on pci0 usbus3: EHCI version 1.0 usbus3 on ehci1 usbus3: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 hdac1: mem 0xfe200000-0xfe203fff irq 16 at device 20.2 on pci0 isab0: at device 20.3 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcib4: at device 20.4 on pci0 pci4: on pcib4 ohci2: mem 0xfe207000-0xfe207fff irq 18 at device 20.5 on pci0 usbus4 on ohci2 usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 sdhci_pci0: mem 0xfe206000-0xfe2060ff irq 16 at device 20.7 on pci0 sdhci_pci0: 1 slot(s) allocated ohci3: mem 0xfe205000-0xfe205fff irq 18 at device 22.0 on pci0 usbus5 on ohci3 usbus5: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ehci2: mem 0xfe204000-0xfe2040ff irq 17 at device 22.2 on pci0 usbus6: EHCI version 1.0 usbus6 on ehci2 usbus6: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 orm0: at iomem 0xcf000-0xcffff on isa0 ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range hwpstate0: on cpu0 ZFS filesystem version: 5 ZFS storage pool version: features support (5000) Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 hdacc1: at cad 0 on hdac1 hdaa1: at nid 1 on hdacc1 pcm2: at nid 20,27 and 24,25,26 on hdaa1 ugen5.1: at usbus5 ugen6.1: at usbus6 ugen3.1: at usbus3 ugen1.1: at usbus1 uhub0: on usbus5 uhub1: on usbus6 uhub2: on usbus3 uhub3: on usbus1 ugen2.1: at usbus2 ugen0.1: at usbus0 ugen4.1: at usbus4 uhub4: on usbus2 uhub5: ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: on usbus4 ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device uhub6: ada0: Serial Number PNY14160000485190062 on usbus0 ada0: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 1024bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 228936MB (468862128 512 byte sectors) ada1 at ahcich3 bus 0 scbus3 target 0 lun 0 ada1: ATA8-ACS SATA 3.x device ada1: Serial Number JP2940N02RMUSV ada1: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) ada1: Command Queueing enabled ada1: 953869MB (1953525168 512 byte sectors) cd0 at ahcich2 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI device cd0: Serial Number 2L8215915118 cd0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA 1.x, UDMA5, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 8192bytes) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray closed Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot/ROOT/default []... Root mount waiting for: usbus6 usbus5 usbus4 usbus3 usbus2 usbus1 usbus0 uhub5: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered uhub4: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered uhub6: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered Root mount waiting for: usbus6 usbus3 usbus1 uhub1: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered uhub2: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered uhub3: 5 ports with 5 removable, self powered Root mount waiting for: usbus3 usbus1 ugen1.2: at usbus1 uhub7 on uhub3 uhub7: on usbus1 ugen3.2: at usbus3 umass0 on uhub2 umass0: on usbus3 umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x4000 umass0:6:0: Attached to scbus6 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus6 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI device da0: Serial Number 20060413092100000 da0: 40.000MB/s transfers da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present da0: quirks=0x2 da1 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus6 target 0 lun 1 da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI device da1: Serial Number 20060413092100000 da1: 40.000MB/s transfers da1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present da1: quirks=0x2 da2 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus6 target 0 lun 2 da2: Removable Direct Access SCSI device da2: Serial Number 20060413092100000 da2: 40.000MB/s transfers da2: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present da2: quirks=0x2 da3 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus6 target 0 lun 3 da3: Removable Direct Access SCSI device da3: Serial Number 20060413092100000 da3: 40.000MB/s transfers da3: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present da3: quirks=0x2 uhub7: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered Root mount waiting for: usbus1 ugen1.3: at usbus1 ugen1.4: at usbus1 ukbd0 on uhub7 ukbd0: on usbus1 kbd2 at ukbd0 random: unblocking device. re0: link state changed to DOWN re0: link state changed to UP ums0 on uhub7 ums0: on usbus1 ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 uhid0 on uhub7 uhid0: on usbus1 ugen1.3: at usbus1 (disconnected) ums0: at uhub7, port 2, addr 3 (disconnected) ums0: detached ugen1.3: at usbus1 ums0 on uhub7 ums0: on usbus1 ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 16:52:46 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B18B5BE1 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:52:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "xray.he.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA49B775F0 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:52:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:51:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Best hardware for a replacement desktop? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: <5ceb24c1-66ce-2603-5eed-78283d9676b7@holgerdanske.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:50:47 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EA49B775F0 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.76 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.20)[-0.198,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.40)[ipnet: 184.104.0.0/15(0.86), asn: 6939(-2.83), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.83)[-0.825,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.30)[0.297,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[holgerdanske.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[27.128.105.184.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:52:46 -0000 On 7/22/19 4:59 AM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > My current desktop (FreeBSD 11.2-pl10 AMD64) is starting to have a lot of > hardware problems (extreme problems with even the smallest power hiccup for > example [rebooted several hundred times yesterday during NYC > brownouts]). You need an uninterruptible power supply (UPS): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 17:18:59 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DACEB696C for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:18:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2f.google.com (mail-io1-xd2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C79B809B7 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:18:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2f.google.com with SMTP id h6so75604041iom.7 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:18:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=euKvPSXickH8wMYGqznrvdYzamah2jI7AY9TaeUNK5U=; b=IKkuY/eNOcXmGrZzMbJD7cMKHblf9lVLm5+Z1BVobgam7PGvNqkBeJK7DqBRCCF5ux QSI4zWiJygDiZXp4mWrMbagdjkSBwqXUKmjrRSkRHcfaoEU0RWI8XVZWc/4JTZZnRNC9 IXz0RQrjk9Z0UQUXnC4iRCZJ2jngK2zFPsLQ/wR7cLIuA7P7u/MeGX4dBvYPgCWW3/WH 81JUoSKpKmarYojfMnOKrKUhEf6QwYHwodfmd2ilfhm9G1nvQWJJ5fln2CUiViXqKZHm 652cOcytv58yi+yCLYJsZI/o/89Iua57WtrSy3z6jjfwwtMeFJxt4ZtRs0XSEtXVLSGN jB5A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=euKvPSXickH8wMYGqznrvdYzamah2jI7AY9TaeUNK5U=; b=FTGBBXQwqN2EGdcP/3Yl14/V6meKu8zAosNftM4GWLout7Guu80heHCK+Z7Y2mTaKA AFa8IgmcY+W7zvBkGOP7J+YKX67253o9lJYwqT0i4F6MsvTRMLIxwN6OQDgaOnXWIvrG cTV+3yb1G3TStmQKIDauBHbFn2v52XmplWcP5DfcW7nStJHO5wWBqJv0uUhznNeykLwa MWo/k6mOKXavuQmPO08ZdQDoG3Xuq71Hmaq7I99IoOLiXaXGgbVnryMsxlidLir7OdBw uyxB62JdSzw5q6FCr6hAyFPrR64wyw0yFG3QikXZ1HW8Phsfe2emkrATmxiFTdKorkbB 9Qmg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUKaryENrTrNzgTOHMNG/sH/vlpYvACZH7Ahl5RJxzhUr1JsZYt zd3oq7LT8wwx06Hl4ko5MSfDwjVLylObB/hDIKVwHSfM X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxrLJKYexza03nNpds6W0qHf3J+DG1dvbrpFBPYEuGZPj+E61OalwLhOBdB2EG7FqCUEhp1gVZZ34RdXVXwCoI= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:b804:: with SMTP id i4mr63376197iof.119.1563815937267; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:18:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5ceb24c1-66ce-2603-5eed-78283d9676b7@holgerdanske.com> In-Reply-To: <5ceb24c1-66ce-2603-5eed-78283d9676b7@holgerdanske.com> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 13:18:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best hardware for a replacement desktop? To: David Christensen Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2C79B809B7 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=IKkuY/eN; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.81 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.929,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE(-2.87)[ip: (-8.76), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.11), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[f.2.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:18:59 -0000 On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 12:52 PM David Christensen < dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote: > On 7/22/19 4:59 AM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > My current desktop (FreeBSD 11.2-pl10 AMD64) is starting to have a lot of > > hardware problems (extreme problems with even the smallest power hiccup > for > > example [rebooted several hundred times yesterday during NYC > > brownouts]). > You need an uninterruptible power supply (UPS): > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply Already on my shopping list but half the problem is the machine is a name HP and looking at the specs I have likely put more demand on the power supply then I can supply if there any drop in voltage. I have used UPS many times in the past and the power problem was just the straw that broke the camel's back on needing a new machine (was on the fence already due to other items). > > > David > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 17:23:53 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119E4B6D0C for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:23:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74FA5810B8 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [188.174.53.47] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpc2N-0001Xa-Cs; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:23:47 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id x6MHNjDK004664 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:23:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id x6MHNi8U004663; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:23:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:23:44 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: hw Cc: George Hartzell , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What does it mean to use ports? 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Very seldom, I tweak the options of some port (for example > > to add features to mail/mutt, or to add features to x11/xterm) and there are > > never conflicts among of the options. > > Hm, is there something in place that prevents messing up things through > options, or is everything ok because you almost never change them? As I said, I have for the followin 19 ports (of ~2000) defined special options, mostly to add a feature which is/was not default, for example for enable file logging for x11/xterm): $ ls -C1 /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/*/* /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/devel_gvfs/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/devel_llvm37/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/devel_subversion/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/editors_libreoffice/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/emulators_wine/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/graphics_evince/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/lang_gcc/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/lang_rust/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/mail_fetchmail/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/mail_mutt/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/misc_kdeedu-kde4/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/multimedia_mplayer/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/multimedia_webcamd/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/net_wireshark/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/security_p5-GSSAPI/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/www_node/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/www_squid/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/x11_kde4/options /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/freebsd-r349041-options/x11_xterm/options The rest is just default and never gives conflicts. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub May, 9: Спаси́бо освободители! 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I'd be interested to hear how you do this ... but assuming it's true your solution has two parts: 1) the UPS to deal with the "power hiccups". Before you buy, check ports/sysutils to see what models are covered by available software. 2) a more vigorous internal power supply. I have no idea if it's even possible to upgrade HP products short of having HP do it (and maybe not even then). Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 18:59:59 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4346B8F49 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:59:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2d.google.com (mail-io1-xd2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6888985342 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:59:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2d.google.com with SMTP id h6so76285893iom.7 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:59:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=OkAxsUIFon2PKdytndAZcBTq4Um/Gl++7eDFYGbGdTM=; b=Dr1cinGz788pV7B6pO1zF33TwjW1n46g3rRbCv2xyl+03ZkHEuFdGLTKm3l7LZnn8G owFXUE3rOMoGEEfAzlM2OstCqwHMJqqxkC90tYLKkMrX5RILCt9kBA17nXDvSi4AbUzU dLhhzMak7o59Qxbd/RmJ8+FPy235/G6rnd2NlkxrpEf/nmg/NFByNm2RYkdVH7d0SmCI HjDumBjpUmJFgx7iJzzTic/PaiiJiQ0m9I1WEdvGtkdyWPdrV7Fn4Yrh/wmRjb5nGDE0 0u37kBJTSGIksjggnrqs8dlKdRtFdOxCTcSc25gPTUX1A6nGFnZb9+CN7rW8g35dEpZV +qrg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OkAxsUIFon2PKdytndAZcBTq4Um/Gl++7eDFYGbGdTM=; b=j3MlcBOxwmMRN7rc0qo1tNM0BPgxYr0ZIvB206j25XoGhV6uksMZBKMftModpFlTE5 yTgMU3BHq5BhPtlSnGHoJmLc8vrH1rwOtqs4TL+NvZZwDGrBJH/AcuQO8g0a2et8FESz zBquhJCteqrvN651fFwXV+YnIQoyVf0tzSn3jWLmL0TKVvBUbOJqc/fFN1TtxkuK5HuQ SF3kpKZ0vtMfoVuzNbuJSlxqJxV6gjrlyBQ4rUljX9uvyMlyOhp88Vl7bKnzWLDb6um/ LIK01I5dfV5nBbvlZMAU4BcB3R7fxqJB3CuoD1g3Yx9xRgsjwhAe2VKR+tG+s77D26Rr P5bQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUyhc98TQXDZZixKXIRa4fj7UGokOQAp4+Y6UWvrN94nRqEavZS dvTpzrtJw9uYySt/o1l4yBOA3JN2JKU0IPy0b8xy1Zxyd9g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw+gB26u3CPZlcAGi1OKsoToxI4Ed1o+SDlTbr9WRZz+mYi/W9KMkkv7kJug3Odm9UZEc/phyw2FtQ5mGgXQdc= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:901:: with SMTP id t1mr57433667ioi.42.1563821997836; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:59:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5ceb24c1-66ce-2603-5eed-78283d9676b7@holgerdanske.com> <23861.63968.885139.970960@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <23861.63968.885139.970960@jerusalem.litteratus.org> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:59:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best hardware for a replacement desktop? To: Robert Huff Cc: David Christensen , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6888985342 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Dr1cinGz; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.93 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.967,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE(-2.96)[ip: (-9.19), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.11), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[d.2.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:59:59 -0000 On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:01 PM Robert Huff wrote: > > Aryeh Friedman writes: > > > > You need an uninterruptible power supply (UPS): > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply > > > > Already on my shopping list but half the problem is the machine is > > a name HP and looking at the specs I have likely put more demand on > > the power supply then I can supply if there any drop in voltage. > > I'd be interested to hear how you do this ... but assuming it's > true your solution has two parts: > > 1) the UPS to deal with the "power hiccups". Before you buy, > check ports/sysutils to see what models are covered by available > software. > Neither of the two other systems on the same power strip that where custom build (not name brand) and being careful to not overload the internal supply went down even once > 2) a more vigorous internal power supply. I have no idea if it's > even possible to upgrade HP products short of having HP do it (and > maybe not even then). > This is one of the primary reasons for wanting to upgrade the entire system.... HP refuses to support upgrades and uses non-standard physical dimensions... HP Pavilion 7 is not upgradable and I have already done all the tweaks I can do (and thus overloaded the power supply in all likely hood)... most notably I added 3 SATA drives in it beyond the one it came with (including a SSD), I increased the RAM from 8 GB to 24 GB (works fine despite the stated max being 16 [dmidecode says the max is 128 GB though]), added a mid range nvidia card to it (GeForce GT 710). So all in all I suspect I have severly overtaxed the power supply which is 300W. > > > Respectfully, > > > Robert Huff > > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 19:21:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1ACDB9AAE for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:21:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic315-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic315-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.190.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8559486BE0 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:21:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: OHkm6jgVM1n77R._ZJ9DyFK0zBX1eWzdm_7p02fTW4L3fyoIVGauBsQDP8h.Rxc bDKPX6eUQ7momSpn7X7NlS3Q3LuV.NOEnfYLLRUA2Ei5U0i4cb4tAynHvVgE6W7n5eTRAu.pm4Tc _4HTefCx1q1YWme3d3XCogXV49PctjbRwM1A6SZwu0cYPbNlIclBSiit_LKfcQCraNmg2vAzH9.v qQuvDHJVprYy0H0SxPBjVTiE7AaAJW2MMRZuEza4UM0.XSNNQLVKGOmfsIb6VdaKrtoZ8DNUm8sA zbyx4T3PQhrdNos_iwlLzIKK6L337Z2VBpFKCP1g4vD8hZANzWIYBYvpKuHn1SQeMmI.PQIB.oFH SCYXjahAlCMoZpWX.BOBc6FLwwdw0WQd9vwzXcfXwdUU3oLs0tnFczaKM437HNtvQRz.kxPcREB0 3LeTGY7tRlvvfKMVAaYu.7CLz3IVPEqtjeAjZnJgUcw8VmSWlDayY5gTF__TWCn6nahC6Fvxq_IS shzrqqvioGpXZU992Q961VPgyIb__ysors3SGvz6OFUmr39eQMuseJsA3J1HkvDz_wph31rb.rVN JRBBkpxyXWnXV._5K6TaONvDjgG1oSiyfUpqhPXQRDgzofEhjFzT_nuDoezdvJbVIzo32lPP7oUR li6z_qF.qV85PMYU4WhLnHge7ps6qzqdcHRhhHreLOD9ACUJKFCWTbw2pygS4vL7AfV.wc294q8S dyLXPMbjHUddcMl8VpDPW11r0xKZae1rQEzm9mj_HoU.bztX10ViGpOUMgCCGI5lyalPhdmFsj6S OzpXKt5KKx0NGAy4oGUtGlGOqYDRhpaJDaR4ey5ExnAZP5qW2Cg14XbmCYvSXrDBeoZ9rh8QP0UO G8W4L_3yrtVSEhPDm.jTr0DgskQZ6jfFGCi51JrM5VBkhp0WYRc9M31cG0o2yS.Id0M2wuWBQU8n V1zZxKD89k1WBMInqdX5NuUfMnnMd3mh3DAvTm7psJppvDFkQ594npPLjk5xcgqoD9EJF8TOE352 6l66v5oj1x_aZpe4uFI0YY4q5e9sc_zKfLiW904TpfvReh5kIy5a965MesIrGEDNKmh6SX_a5NxH IFBVB9EjVuDHhUIgShaYrE1_adeN_YitcqkQSuKdX177kJF4Pb.lkyvpPnO9LXh.kaDdPYmD5YzJ 7mmG9KHyN4A.dFCahUd6jSMhiPsztFmzAOuYshb97hsX2PLrHDCHp1I71IOhqFeEz4k0Rjwn1sz_ tz3Oi46jfV0_ULzOtbt8T1WrSRWnD79fzhA3zgH2_pLZY Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:21:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:01:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: Aryeh Friedman , Robert Huff Cc: David Christensen , FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <1618173539.5511975.1563822072600@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <23861.63968.885139.970960@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <5ceb24c1-66ce-2603-5eed-78283d9676b7@holgerdanske.com> <23861.63968.885139.970960@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Subject: Re: Best hardware for a replacement desktop? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.13991 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8559486BE0 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.58 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mta6.am0.yahoodns.net]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.987,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.997,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[147.190.163.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(1.61)[ip: (5.81), ipnet: 66.163.184.0/21(1.27), asn: 36646(1.02), country: US(-0.05)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:21:39 -0000 =20 On Monday, July 22, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Robert Huff wrote: =20 =20 =20 Aryeh Friedman writes: >=C2=A0 > You need an uninterruptible power supply (UPS): >=C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply >=C2=A0=20 >=C2=A0 Already on my shopping list but half the problem is the machine is >=C2=A0 a name HP and looking at the specs I have likely put more demand on >=C2=A0 the power supply then I can supply if there any drop in voltage. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I'd be interested to hear how you do this ... but assumi= ng it's true your solution has two parts: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1) the UPS to deal with the "power hiccups".=C2=A0 Befor= e you buy, check ports/sysutils to see what models are covered by available software. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2) a more vigorous internal power supply.=C2=A0 I have n= o idea if it's even possible to upgrade HP products short of having HP do it (and maybe not even then). =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Respectfully, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= Robert Huff ## Adding to this.... If this is more than just a low end server, you may want to buy a UPS with = a pure sine wave vs a simulated sine wave.=C2=A0 They are=C2=A0 a little mo= re expensive, but tend to be better in controlling spikes/dirty power. As for a new desktop, if you're reasonably inclined, build your own.=C2=A0 = At this point in time, steer clear of Intel and look at AMD's products. The= ir new Ryzen 3000 series kicks butt and is about 50-75% of the cost.=C2=A0 = Go with an X570 motherboard (it has PCIe 4.0) and an AM4 socket. The compat= ibility with the AM4 socket looks to be good for about 3-4 years vs intel's= "new cpu new socket -> new motherboard" mentality.=C2=A0 Depending on your= graphics needs either a separate card that can be upgraded or go with the = new AMD Ryzen/Navi APUs with the graphics in the chip... (low end but good = for word processing, etc NOT gaming - separate card if you game).=C2=A0 Wit= h the new AM4 socket the APUs are an inexpensive alternative to buying sepa= rate graphics and CPU and when you go beyond the abilities on either just b= uy the latest APU. Typically, the new Ryzen chips also consume about 1/3 less power too. So, for about $500 you can buy a SERIOUS powered machine with an upgrade pa= th versus being locked into a canned vendor like Dell or HP. 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To: Paul Pathiakis Cc: Robert Huff , David Christensen , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DBE4087199 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=O1/57k9g; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.85 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.89)[-0.885,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE(-2.95)[ip: (-9.16), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.11), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[d.2.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:26:27 -0000 On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:01 PM Paul Pathiakis wrote: > > On Monday, July 22, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Robert Huff > wrote: > > > > Aryeh Friedman writes: > > > > You need an uninterruptible power supply (UPS): > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply > > > > Already on my shopping list but half the problem is the machine is > > a name HP and looking at the specs I have likely put more demand on > > the power supply then I can supply if there any drop in voltage. > > I'd be interested to hear how you do this ... but assuming it's > true your solution has two parts: > > 1) the UPS to deal with the "power hiccups". Before you buy, > check ports/sysutils to see what models are covered by available > software. > 2) a more vigorous internal power supply. I have no idea if it's > even possible to upgrade HP products short of having HP do it (and > maybe not even then). > > > Respectfully, > > > Robert Huff > > > > ## Adding to this.... > > If this is more than just a low end server, you may want to buy a UPS with > a pure sine wave vs a simulated sine wave. They are a little more > expensive, but tend to be better in controlling spikes/dirty power. > > As for a new desktop, if you're reasonably inclined, build your own. At > this point in time, steer clear of Intel and look at AMD's products. Their > new Ryzen 3000 series kicks butt and is about 50-75% of the cost. Go with > an X570 motherboard (it has PCIe 4.0) and an AM4 socket. The compatibility > with the AM4 socket looks to be good for about 3-4 years vs intel's "new > cpu new socket -> new motherboard" mentality. Depending on your graphics > needs either a separate card that can be upgraded or go with the new AMD > Ryzen/Navi APUs with the graphics in the chip... (low end but good for word > processing, etc NOT gaming - separate card if you game). With the new AM4 > socket the APUs are an inexpensive alternative to buying separate graphics > and CPU and when you go beyond the abilities on either just buy the latest > APU. > > Typically, the new Ryzen chips also consume about 1/3 less power too. > > So, for about $500 you can buy a SERIOUS powered machine with an upgrade > path versus being locked into a canned vendor like Dell or HP. > Here is what I have in mind so far (note I *REFUSE* to buy mail order/online so this is what is in my local MicroCenter): CPU (Ryzen 3600 $200.00 65 watts w/ fan): https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966995+4294819840+4294810797+4294819827+4294818783+4294815097&myStore=true Motherboard (x570 AMD 4 ATX $170): https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966996+4294810816+4294818900+4294818892+4294810798+4294817766+4294818045+4294818894+4294810687+4294815404+4294818877+4294815402+39&myStore=true Power supply (850 watt $130 ATX): https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966654+4294818900+795+4294817377+780+4294817027&myStore=true Case (minitower ATX $75): https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294964318+4294821211+4294821002+4294811319+749+4294821195+4294821206+4294821207&myStore=true RAM (16 GB DDR4-3200 $70): https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966965+4294817445+4294820310+37&myStore=true Reuse keyboard/mouse/video card/monitor Total: $645 Aryeh M. 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To: Robert Huff Cc: David Christensen , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 192BB8745C X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=e7fM6lqe; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.74 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.882,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE(-2.84)[ip: (-8.63), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.11), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:28:45 -0000 On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:59 PM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:01 PM Robert Huff wrote: > >> >> Aryeh Friedman writes: >> >> > > You need an uninterruptible power supply (UPS): >> > > >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply >> > >> > Already on my shopping list but half the problem is the machine is >> > a name HP and looking at the specs I have likely put more demand on >> > the power supply then I can supply if there any drop in voltage. >> >> I'd be interested to hear how you do this ... but assuming it's >> true your solution has two parts: >> >> 1) the UPS to deal with the "power hiccups". Before you buy, >> check ports/sysutils to see what models are covered by available >> software. >> > > Neither of the two other systems on the same power strip that where custom > build (not name brand) and being careful to not overload the internal > supply went down even once > > >> 2) a more vigorous internal power supply. I have no idea if it's >> even possible to upgrade HP products short of having HP do it (and >> maybe not even then). >> > > This is one of the primary reasons for wanting to upgrade the entire > system.... HP refuses to support upgrades and uses non-standard physical > dimensions... HP Pavilion 7 is not upgradable and I have already done all > the tweaks I can do (and thus overloaded the power supply in all likely > hood)... most notably I added 3 SATA drives in it beyond the one it came > with (including a SSD), I increased the RAM from 8 GB to 24 GB (works fine > despite the stated max being 16 [dmidecode says the max is 128 GB though]), > added a mid range nvidia card to it (GeForce GT 710). So all in all I > suspect I have severly overtaxed the power supply which is 300W. > >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> >> Robert Huff >> >> > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- Aryeh M. 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I am mostly a freelance webapp developer (tomcat9/jdk8 plus some libraries I have written then will when more mature released to the ports collection) 2. I play some html5 based games (not graphic intensive but slightly bandwidth hungry) 3. I have developed a micro-IaaS based around bhyve (see interview in Jan. 2017 BSD mag for details) [the main reason why the machine I am replacing as my desktop is my desktop is even after working with the bhyve team found it was impossible to enable virtualization even when the BIOS said it was enabled] 4. I use it as a replacement for my TV/cable (download/stream shows) 5. General small business/office use On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:26 PM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:01 PM Paul Pathiakis > wrote: > >> >> On Monday, July 22, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Robert Huff >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Aryeh Friedman writes: >> >> > > You need an uninterruptible power supply (UPS): >> > > >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply >> > >> > Already on my shopping list but half the problem is the machine is >> > a name HP and looking at the specs I have likely put more demand on >> > the power supply then I can supply if there any drop in voltage. >> >> I'd be interested to hear how you do this ... but assuming it's >> true your solution has two parts: >> >> 1) the UPS to deal with the "power hiccups". Before you buy, >> check ports/sysutils to see what models are covered by available >> software. >> 2) a more vigorous internal power supply. I have no idea if it's >> even possible to upgrade HP products short of having HP do it (and >> maybe not even then). >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> >> Robert Huff >> >> >> >> ## Adding to this.... >> >> If this is more than just a low end server, you may want to buy a UPS >> with a pure sine wave vs a simulated sine wave. They are a little more >> expensive, but tend to be better in controlling spikes/dirty power. >> >> As for a new desktop, if you're reasonably inclined, build your own. At >> this point in time, steer clear of Intel and look at AMD's products. Their >> new Ryzen 3000 series kicks butt and is about 50-75% of the cost. Go with >> an X570 motherboard (it has PCIe 4.0) and an AM4 socket. The compatibility >> with the AM4 socket looks to be good for about 3-4 years vs intel's "new >> cpu new socket -> new motherboard" mentality. Depending on your graphics >> needs either a separate card that can be upgraded or go with the new AMD >> Ryzen/Navi APUs with the graphics in the chip... (low end but good for word >> processing, etc NOT gaming - separate card if you game). With the new AM4 >> socket the APUs are an inexpensive alternative to buying separate graphics >> and CPU and when you go beyond the abilities on either just buy the latest >> APU. >> >> Typically, the new Ryzen chips also consume about 1/3 less power too. >> >> So, for about $500 you can buy a SERIOUS powered machine with an upgrade >> path versus being locked into a canned vendor like Dell or HP. >> > > Here is what I have in mind so far (note I *REFUSE* to buy mail > order/online so this is what is in my local MicroCenter): > > CPU (Ryzen 3600 $200.00 65 watts w/ fan): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966995+4294819840+4294810797+4294819827+4294818783+4294815097&myStore=true > > Motherboard (x570 AMD 4 ATX $170): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966996+4294810816+4294818900+4294818892+4294810798+4294817766+4294818045+4294818894+4294810687+4294815404+4294818877+4294815402+39&myStore=true > > Power supply (850 watt $130 ATX): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966654+4294818900+795+4294817377+780+4294817027&myStore=true > > Case (minitower ATX $75): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294964318+4294821211+4294821002+4294811319+749+4294821195+4294821206+4294821207&myStore=true > > RAM (16 GB DDR4-3200 $70): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966965+4294817445+4294820310+37&myStore=true > > Reuse keyboard/mouse/video card/monitor > > Total: $645 > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- Aryeh M. 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Thanks for that! --=20 /* * Serpent7776 */ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 22:35:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879D7BE09B for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:35:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEC3C8EB65 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:35:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:35:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Best hardware for a replacement desktop? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5ceb24c1-66ce-2603-5eed-78283d9676b7@holgerdanske.com> <23861.63968.885139.970960@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <1618173539.5511975.1563822072600@mail.yahoo.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:34:58 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:35:12 -0000 On 7/22/19 12:26 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Here is what I have in mind so far (note I*REFUSE* to buy mail > order/online so this is what is in my local MicroCenter): > > CPU (Ryzen 3600 $200.00 65 watts w/ fan): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966995+4294819840+4294810797+4294819827+4294818783+4294815097&myStore=true > > Motherboard (x570 AMD 4 ATX $170): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966996+4294810816+4294818900+4294818892+4294810798+4294817766+4294818045+4294818894+4294810687+4294815404+4294818877+4294815402+39&myStore=true > > Power supply (850 watt $130 ATX): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966654+4294818900+795+4294817377+780+4294817027&myStore=true > > Case (minitower ATX $75): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294964318+4294821211+4294821002+4294811319+749+4294821195+4294821206+4294821207&myStore=true > > RAM (16 GB DDR4-3200 $70): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966965+4294817445+4294820310+37&myStore=true > > Reuse keyboard/mouse/video card/monitor > > Total: $645 I built and ran homebrew x86 personal computers with Antec tower cases and power supplies, Intel desktop motherboards and processors, desktop memory, desktop drives, etc., for 20+ years. The Antec and Intel hardware has been very reliable. All the HDD's die, eventually. Using generic parts makes upgrades easy. Intel supports FOSS, so Linux and BSD works well on them. Then Intel released the Next Unit of Computing (NUC) products and discontinued their desktop boards. Given that ECC memory is recommended for larger memory applications and also for ZFS, I migrated to Intel uniprocessor server products. I recently upgraded a vintage Pentium D system with a used server motherboard/ CPU/ memory combo (I paid $132, delivered; current price is $77). The performance increase is amazing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-S1200V3RP-Server-Board-Xeon-E3-1225v3-SR1KX-3-20GHz-8GB-Ram-I-O-Shield/123431007451?epid=1941949226&hash=item1cbd0fb4db:g:UuIAAOSwNJlb~bQi:rk:10:pf:0&LH_BIN=1 David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 23:23:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC14BEFD1 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 23:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5300::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.smtp.rzone.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A4D869DDC for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 23:23:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1563837778; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=1xYUeFVjDOFXwkUGBM/325B8cHNLBC+yoJm7cT48V3I=; b=VKfNups1/LIrj6DF4IpnWqkP7Fkv8ExVDXLn3pJf4WCVaqCxiI/zuhk3torWEf4xCa sU5RHgC2ZZXBtiI3uIU9j6l3qw9O9rGWPPGCc7QJj8MTnIPaeQO3MyM/zd/5pCMX3Jjw oTMJxESLCLv4KwqwziFlPijtX3MCn4k6w9bzY+WJNHA2HX53IKgCL5haadpI2sLzFDSb AZEDA9fyJUYpEi67xcgT/Qq20aAli1+ardJANguCryXdKJKJK07rrRnf+f5GBCwTA6MY AJdsrQG7lY0sIveZf887kDDp+YNamdSLH+4J6xqhlBpMRgXFGh9F/ydFV8838qXGS3/p jC7w== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+ARdaXvxIDf7nlw=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.24 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e0059dv6MNMvuBB (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Tue, 23 Jul 2019 01:22:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hphdx-0000XR-8L; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 01:22:57 +0200 Received: from lee by toy.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hphdw-00027Y-Tb; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 01:22:57 +0200 From: hw To: George Hartzell Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What does it mean to use ports? In-Reply-To: <20190722172344.GA4628@c720-r342378> (Matthias Apitz's message of "Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:23:44 +0200") Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:55:04 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <878sspznlj.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91wqjl5.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <23851.63340.445828.46420@alice.local> <87sgr7joq7.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190716003705.eaa7db5f.freebsd@edvax.de> <8736j6iw12.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <23860.43628.637748.236257@alice.local> <20190721183239.GA3996@c720-r342378> <875znu603b.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190722172344.GA4628@c720-r342378> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4A4D869DDC X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=VKfNups1 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.14 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[smtpin.rzone.de]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.30)[-0.303,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.74)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.25), asn: 6724(-0.42), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 23:23:02 -0000 Matthias Apitz writes: > El d=C3=ADa lunes, julio 22, 2019 a las 08:43:20a. m. +0200, hw escribi= =C3=B3: > >> > I compile my own set of the ports I'm used to use with poudriere(8). >> > Based on a list of some 400 ports the result is some 2000 packages rea= dy >> > to install. Very seldom, I tweak the options of some port (for example >> > to add features to mail/mutt, or to add features to x11/xterm) and the= re are >> > never conflicts among of the options. >>=20 >> Hm, is there something in place that prevents messing up things through >> options, or is everything ok because you almost never change them? > > As I said, I have for the followin 19 ports (of ~2000) defined special > options, mostly to add a feature which is/was not default, for example > for enable file logging for x11/xterm): It seems more likely that disabling things could cause problems that enabling them ... > [...] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 23 06:42:16 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2306CC7E51 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 06:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8EEA81908 for ; 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Thanks for that! The use of Makefile.local was (is) a convenient way to store custom options. For example, in the past, when I wanted to build mplayer / mencoder with specific settings and optimization, I added my settings to Makefile.local. So they were used independently from "make configure" settings, and they could be stored independently. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 23 11:27:09 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10704A6DF4 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:27:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic315-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic315-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.190.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF0B18C410 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:27:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: YSDbnbQVM1nfgk_tHpW9xN8sb_oURfINmvJoGeFfhbjuBK22izm9x3PLmd39VVW slXyr3j68QBWTt1jPUwF6cZI13pHPKqQBq42g_5FmXm74DCIRGVOJnqEgVCaJm0D9Mc4cGEbmgRY 5XC6HL7n.yJk6zBrLevrS8y2fsLb07uNuMywxdFbQbBGJTKGVP0Tf332fljIHVX5qxrBq9yf_1T5 nepvwulfqyWkda7JgPbgN3pEe5Co7BJAe13bmASv09o7Lk.ThUZ.LwadLhNgeiPwQSSTV0M8..vB takXU7U4gIgMh4loauBsJ25yNLYTp3b.73Vp4D4gfa1ffwZqYXDvch9GwixUd5bWR26I_oW4u2Pr loJeP1sCKoZAESC6tUcUyZY0kFZr6J4lvwYez5tkegvCOWkOwPJUHDOE6CyYAmJ2T15bYqKDYX0e YOZ10NZlsfODRsNTx1OyyJ6nlyzTfQvPyodEFaQn8HIm9zC9lDrTozcNs7bdUxhZgZrKqMYEOZmt q2lx0fXreJFO5vVAL3OSkgOK5PFUH17vBPl_wJaQs5OUJQxdB.Gol712.3V0OqfBWu0uJmGhM.xs nkJwkpX52PjPCHNOgltbcRkHEWkRQ7T81Z21jmv2BMMbYnahYDHbKMgQk0HP8aBy7SWCoji37Pwt thtb7jCcNOtsMetutVcLh9upQSJv4PFCn2bsvJ9UIc82NPbgokjwlPWytkSK.kSei60UCqnOBwuo uf2QQtG6_LkQWY9hdLxwK33UQ2WitHfvwvz93Fs7fJJdx52nyK7IjFMsdRofKMMCPQ2xvt0PjgpR I5KRpjnf_9h2xFAEiW8yVfbRJQ2O.bMA3HOwVlC.vrHWicOx5tLSsm_A6LZoVjebneqCqPXzpeNj 1NyxqhWGtvz5fc_wUzYnOs63k3biy_1RlzUlEeHd8dOhH2NOXwLpJ0313lH2iQU792F32xJgcC6t ZiJvL_k8Q0taLsJJB977QAOUH.C9zZaofTXXp_w4ITvgnOcendBwxlJvLNqtAi.ai_O16Gjac3X9 mTlKgH2jO3wyoZfC1G7AzFLY42dhyy3YcwGDfR1nvjJ25yMG2O2Orb6qLA495iA.qxafPH0PXFz1 Rr8HxoHbcNmJRhRjzvQwZEwZz7qOiGbQ46soEBGYBh97gcJ8j9b2yd6yHeToBxIB6pVz.zdDB2M3 W_KcQ.f59QcNWSt3cX4ex5T6YD2BAaLMDjkzp7B5fgpp1RLM_iqWPtzueOKGPA2SjNN.NL2J34y2 jgFAxqe91KWFsBVuoivpsaXEX Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:27:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:27:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Robert Huff , David Christensen , FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <1125579496.1306494.1563881223475@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: <5ceb24c1-66ce-2603-5eed-78283d9676b7@holgerdanske.com> <23861.63968.885139.970960@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <1618173539.5511975.1563822072600@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Best hardware for a replacement desktop? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.13991 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CF0B18C410 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.21 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mta6.am0.yahoodns.net]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.94)[0.944,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.989,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[146.190.163.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(1.29)[ip: (4.23), ipnet: 66.163.184.0/21(1.27), asn: 36646(1.02), country: US(-0.05)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:27:09 -0000 =20 On Monday, July 22, 2019, 3:26:37 PM EDT, Aryeh Friedman wrote: =20 =20 On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:01 PM Paul Pathiakis wrote= : > > On Monday, July 22, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Robert Huff > wrote: > > > > Aryeh Friedman writes: > > >=C2=A0 > You need an uninterruptible power supply (UPS): > >=C2=A0 > > >=C2=A0 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply > > > >=C2=A0 Already on my shopping list but half the problem is the machine i= s > >=C2=A0 a name HP and looking at the specs I have likely put more demand = on > >=C2=A0 the power supply then I can supply if there any drop in voltage. > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'd be interested to hear how you do this ... but assuming i= t's > true your solution has two parts: > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1) the UPS to deal with the "power hiccups".=C2=A0 Before yo= u buy, > check ports/sysutils to see what models are covered by available > software. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2) a more vigorous internal power supply.=C2=A0 I have no id= ea if it's > even possible to upgrade HP products short of having HP do it (and > maybe not even then). > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Respectfully, > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Robert Huff > > > > ## Adding to this.... > > If this is more than just a low end server, you may want to buy a UPS wit= h > a pure sine wave vs a simulated sine wave.=C2=A0 They are=C2=A0 a little = more > expensive, but tend to be better in controlling spikes/dirty power. > > As for a new desktop, if you're reasonably inclined, build your own.=C2= =A0 At > this point in time, steer clear of Intel and look at AMD's products. Thei= r > new Ryzen 3000 series kicks butt and is about 50-75% of the cost.=C2=A0 G= o with > an X570 motherboard (it has PCIe 4.0) and an AM4 socket. The compatibilit= y > with the AM4 socket looks to be good for about 3-4 years vs intel's "new > cpu new socket -> new motherboard" mentality.=C2=A0 Depending on your gra= phics > needs either a separate card that can be upgraded or go with the new AMD > Ryzen/Navi APUs with the graphics in the chip... (low end but good for wo= rd > processing, etc NOT gaming - separate card if you game).=C2=A0 With the n= ew AM4 > socket the APUs are an inexpensive alternative to buying separate graphic= s > and CPU and when you go beyond the abilities on either just buy the lates= t > APU. > > Typically, the new Ryzen chips also consume about 1/3 less power too. > > So, for about $500 you can buy a SERIOUS powered machine with an upgrade > path versus being locked into a canned vendor like Dell or HP. > Here is what I have in mind so far (note I *REFUSE* to buy mail order/online so this is what is in my local MicroCenter): CPU (Ryzen 3600 $200.00 65 watts w/ fan): https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=3Dall&sortby=3Dm= atch&N=3D4294966995+4294819840+4294810797+4294819827+4294818783+4294815097&= myStore=3Dtrue Motherboard (x570 AMD 4 ATX $170): https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=3Dall&sortby=3Dm= atch&N=3D4294966996+4294810816+4294818900+4294818892+4294810798+4294817766+= 4294818045+4294818894+4294810687+4294815404+4294818877+4294815402+39&myStor= e=3Dtrue Power supply (850 watt $130 ATX): https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=3Dall&sortby=3Dm= atch&N=3D4294966654+4294818900+795+4294817377+780+4294817027&myStore=3Dtrue Case (minitower ATX $75): https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=3Dall&sortby=3Dm= atch&N=3D4294964318+4294821211+4294821002+4294811319+749+4294821195+4294821= 206+4294821207&myStore=3Dtrue RAM (16 GB DDR4-3200 $70): https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=3Dall&sortby=3Dm= atch&N=3D4294966965+4294817445+4294820310+37&myStore=3Dtrue Reuse keyboard/mouse/video card/monitor Total: $645 Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org ##=C2=A0 Personally I agree with everything you have here.=C2=A0 MB maker i= s a preference so I'm not spouting mine. :) However, even when you settle on graphics and storage media, check the powe= r consumption.=C2=A0 I've been going lower and lower on my PSUs.=C2=A0 I'm = down to using 550-650W now and will, in time, probably, go lower but with a= higher efficiency something in the 80-Gold or higher. Also, you don't need to buy a PSU with 800W.=C2=A0 It's just overkill.=C2= =A0 Calculate (there's a lot of online calculators) how much your machine w= ill draw.=C2=A0 Take that and add 33%.=C2=A0 Otherwise, you're spending ext= ra money for nothing. I'm running an Nvidia 1070ti, AMD 2700X, 16 GB RAM, etc.=C2=A0 At the wall,= my peak seems to be only using about 430W (???).=C2=A0 Of course, my stora= ge is M.2 NVME... 1TB chip, so I really don't have a lot of draw anywhere o= n the box. As always, have fun with it. :D P. =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 23 15:31:32 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256E2AC4ED for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic314-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic314-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 826F796172 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: TK2MtJsVM1kb4xAxvM8rkLrJuUT8bEMiw.HNvMTyziSKBBUB0bFS1UXG9bCwJPx u.J4iOcDLo0deRK8vSDPsQBGlsuHky2RjC.v9aeDJVg5ek5eHfjaq2NoJBSKC1HzeCGO6Q0_TYKN c0ehBXSzKvbkUBnd4C5jsG3sXAU3sEBCUas6uAhsfRPppCcXwgEAzOdTXWfUhSqE2TlP41m6y0dU hVvytwJ._IG7AHAyX.SThUZ3AsOCtKmAE0BoaOoUsoRpqXwuu2ypm5iWwKKCrx7Kkt1RahGtEqKV CzNNFknkOApl.aChTeBu_qkr0O0inNqWRjdnWCfJyhgNFOn5WFEnGbsxyQFwuEPo_mUTezInbFsj r6dIOIWq0pzSnjEMR0jVrpyRffGZvPOxP41sbHUSI3EKKisa2UxY6Yj_0b53yCB_M1VCuqT.2F4r cpweF.j5QYAAuqdLPOZBQkpn8ihE9orS7bH9dGOHsVdOUWcTjOLN5dtzufFs3BVXCxATV7tTE6Zy i7D_tmVgkl0ZB52O.zg0sw60RcqgM_GdDtGcVdJVA1_np0WoZjhhPAuOGSno7WANc5HVi4U0uV7N 6mKMmryQxStj2c9G.tgZiIQi05yaJ9BDNRjMOdwGs8UvuPD9hjA9PkyakqXA5tow3BBqFAO5.i7X GQXt6ENvmE0ClCAwzeRAgqSklIerTAAvoIPFlrbsK.A1ad656mURBn6G2XFzljpH2rDNhKGTtSOy B1t.fb_NglKUf8GDCnPI_mcx9i7G7HGBRWlfSTqumCYjzU1tl4vng01XaXYuPYQMIE03cG7KKHiy KcD.pLjO7QdWl5zthj4ZZD9bfTAijAlTuBl6UTAQX7xu6I1UI8PwfLDMtKKSlK4LDrXi_pKSycdQ kCwz96TBYU0WDTh.nq_pVKHRLYee0GmbLxPwjrmL77lpZLPE54u_kL8rn7tQvJb0HeG0WFBHcdzm 6cElKsoY0Z2J9WvFz5MzoL52CgbIKVxguqNnpsGjIxwU9tJUW3ShXydxrPVgRHJAgp9Vh_vK0RQh zE2D3mTedZurvHhevHoG.6nBlVHjP0iWqruwBcv07q42FjoVv5MnTereDJ17VfsZaMTSo1ANw6Xo bP4qsIYOlzr3A1JOxZrY1W3_XRJI37QwsxIZYtDCsvvXUlBqJnfcYSOMjNYWJPblsmaR0hh1O.E. 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On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:07:22 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >4. I use it as a replacement for my TV/cable (download/stream shows) Is hardware video acceleration a domain of FreeBSD apps? In the recent days I experimented for the very first time with hardware video acceleration on my Linux machine, just to notice that it works with mpv from command line, but actually _no_ web browser does support it. On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:27:03 +0000 (UTC), Paul Pathiakis wrote: >However, even when you settle on graphics and storage media, check the >power consumption.=C2=A0 I've been going lower and lower on my PSUs.=C2=A0= I'm >down to using 550-650W now and will, in time, probably, go lower but >with a higher efficiency something in the 80-Gold or higher. Also, you >don't need to buy a PSU with 800W.=C2=A0 It's just overkill.=C2=A0 Calcula= te >(there's a lot of online calculators) how much your machine will >draw.=C2=A0 Take that and add 33%.=C2=A0 Otherwise, you're spending extra = money >for nothing. I'm using a 600 W PSU for a machine that is probably less power consuming, than the hardware of the OP's links might consume, let alone that the power consumption is no reasonable value for the provided Ampere at the other side. I don't know if it's the mobo, the OS (Linux) or the PSU, while USB3 bus power is fine, USB2 bus power is a PITA. I need to use very short cables and sometimes even an active hub. I suspect the PSU. The reason that I didn't bought a PSU able to provide more Ampere was a question of money. I simply couldn't pay for another PSU. I would be careful when calculating real power consumption. What makes you think that adding 33% is a good value? The PSU does consume power on demand, it's better to have headroom. Power saving is done by avoiding oversized CPUs etc., resp. for "TV/cable (download/stream shows)" probably via hardware video acceleration, if available. 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Another evidence, when compiling something bloated, fan noise does increase from inaudible to unbearable loud. 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To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DFCC36BEF1 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=nIckyapZ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.05 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.936,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE(-2.11)[ip: (-4.96), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.10), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 17:19:01 -0000 > Is hardware video acceleration a domain of FreeBSD apps? > > In the recent days I experimented for the very first time with hardware > video acceleration on my Linux machine, just to notice that it works > with mpv from command line, but actually _no_ web browser does support > it. > It is more a function of what kmods you use with xorg... I use x11/nvidia-driver and never had an issue (even on low to mid-range cards) with this when properly configured (the documentation currently has a reported bug that leads to a misconfiguration [you need to load nvidia.ko as well as nvidia-modeset.ko in loader.conf and not post device probing.... if you load it in /etc/rc no acceleration for some reason]). Also it is app dependant like anything that uses libxvid or the equiv works fine (including stuff that turns it on in opengl) for example xine works without issue for me (I am not picky though as long the frame rate is high enough to fool the eye, it plays back in real time, you can see all the details of the original frame if you pause it and words and lips are in sync I really don't care about much else [degraded resolution is ok, dropped frames are ok, etc.]) > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:27:03 +0000 (UTC), Paul Pathiakis wrote: > >However, even when you settle on graphics and storage media, check the > >power consumption. I've been going lower and lower on my PSUs. I'm > >down to using 550-650W now and will, in time, probably, go lower but > >with a higher efficiency something in the 80-Gold or higher. Also, you > >don't need to buy a PSU with 800W. It's just overkill. Calculate > >(there's a lot of online calculators) how much your machine will > >draw. Take that and add 33%. Otherwise, you're spending extra money > >for nothing. > > I'm using a 600 W PSU for a machine that is probably less power > consuming, than the hardware of the OP's links might consume, let alone > that the power consumption is no reasonable value for the provided > Ampere at the other side. I don't know if it's the mobo, the OS (Linux) > or the PSU, while USB3 bus power is fine, USB2 bus power is a PITA. I > need to use very short cables and sometimes even an active hub. I > suspect the PSU. The reason that I didn't bought a PSU able to provide > more Ampere was a question of money. I simply couldn't pay for another > PSU. > > I would be careful when calculating real power consumption. What makes > you think that adding 33% is a good value? > > The PSU does consume power on demand, it's better to have headroom. > > Power saving is done by avoiding oversized CPUs etc., resp. for > "TV/cable (download/stream shows)" probably via hardware video > acceleration, if available. Since there is only a $15 (at most) between 450/600 W (roughly the same price range) and 850 W I mightiest well do overkill (who knows what I will be attaching to the machine in the future due to the nature of my work [for example last year I had a EKG monitor attached to it for development purposes, earlier this year I had a computer controlled turnstile [used a subway fare gate] attached to it for professional reasons). PSU's are one thing if I have any option I want overkill... in other areas like keyboards and mice I want el cheapo ones (I am very rough on them some how and even the most expensive and "high use" ones last no more then 6 months to a year so it is cheaper to just buy $10 ones every 3 or 4 months) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 23 18:00:45 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9F0AF2E6 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:00:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mancy@endevaourinfo.com) Received: from IND01-MA1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eopbgr1380091.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.138.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC33E6D7F6 for ; 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 23 18:44:42 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA402B05BE for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.176.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 854616FC2D for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:44:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: NsuEdiIVM1nr5MJyS2D2w6O_BfDhJAU87Z0pmSbeO13vboK533tVoEV8iQwXAcB VMZCaHzq4VRJkilM9ZtQ8gvWMrMwJiSK.rGClhtA3cdOZwJAxE.lwYA0cs8vWzL6SHew1i1Qx1HL 3DntxH_I3WXPIackjhKxX5K87QfBsxQYLvSRVhoPsWukgvx.oFIQ8cE_Q4ulW3bYEMKLz8WKH0cr PSZc9qKNm7NbLxUImUSpIYv4nOUTVM.VSWQTYr7uRh68IDYFkyoxd37FXpqjGdbb6sMIo2H8suq9 1K.enco6tf3U1Ftg2QPt_7VDIYuPX3ZixRUVWCsJjy2wPGZbpYsusOQDfWqPE.epNESOpt65XTB. 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I'm surprised about the minimal price differences. I would take a look at the Ampere available on the secondary side. While I disagree with Paul Pathiakis regarding the "overkill", he has good a good point: "efficiency" Consumption on the primary side doesn't say much about what you get on the secondary side. Off-topic: For audio gear I'm still in favour of ring core transformer or even normal transformer baser power supplies. However, slowly but surely switched-mode power supplies gain the upper hand, even in my audio home studio. To be honest, I don't really suffer from the meassurable issues caused by switched-mode power supplies, they don't affect audio productions, but actually in the last years I needed to repair more switched-mode power supplies, than taken together all repairs on my audio gear + the audio and video gear when working as an engineer, I had to do within the last decades. 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Within the last decade and a little bit before, I've never seen anything lip-sync anymore. In my experiences lip-sync doesn't exist anymore. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 23 19:29:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D0CB11A9 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:29:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic309-25.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic309-25.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7E10713D1 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: 7hJXGnwVM1mLDZz0b2MvR9xyJi9fFH6kFdgY4DaNXEgGDrtxz.lal_LhE4_ON_y tO9.G4RWdKsqVSsanrTpCLp9VhPew2MRJdBYuaBWeywHt23D2uOiPLMRWzCM7P7tE.iVSv23SDLv oB_7dUSdeSOTjYuTR0L6yHu7.PfkkLS1Q1dLU4805Gyqa10zu0NT_GD_ZVmNhDNjET4t4BqFe921 cwn1wMqC2OMN0IPrdAns.QeA2s9XZlDARIBbF6gdxRvJuftH4vLhwkGDTBbEl5QrOlUcvNSLMJ9n UiNy0ma2LCoBwY6ITFQEmFwYltry5kEyevAdFmPOtg_CxxqSfvPpyjylTf9koVxROTJ2dBYB2La8 1nodNbQzdBymhVm4d_DA3GywRUNqygedZqwyaPkTPi5icTurczYPi5Aun0yFgOV292e4.SRGxwJ1 l1twmWqoDfhTQxtXI6AR3WC4nCn5v4j70L7Cz9vhumJ6nzXEDCtpRwUtzChdwNSX3MPQv752aDJn sk7L_2Bh3UuOCPyREPFapa4gxP4n8DXzDmFwV_wcrQ.VlnRWKuwGDEKg7ltN.GhF69CdI3pqwSZk CgQ8vSNGZeR8INXg_yIMITB03fVok_C142hBXw9EcevNql0kPdcR4Ku0.FoZ6IHH4VB4PsN498RJ YB.WuSijMoTmdcNooOMAeCpJmF0OHzta8OVejiyItcr5cZ_MIopFHMqjGi2Tt.gNZ9tUsnl6UgH. 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Within the last decade and a little bit before, I've never seen >anything lip-sync anymore. In my experiences lip-sync doesn't exist >anymore. It's quite funny, if people try to highlight their education by watching ballet dancers on television by romanticizing the esthetics, while audio and video are completely out of sync. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 23 19:42:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764B4B16A2 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:42:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd36.google.com (mail-io1-xd36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ADA371D56 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd36.google.com with SMTP id i10so84333856iol.13 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:42:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=D5tbVvM4evaq9nndBUmgPmcKqsk1RKob9tjXIvGI5u0=; b=dFd5ug0TR3KtoPiIXEjdChHPY4n/V7kponFsc+XlT141OhcD3GShsaelyXXKzsmnl0 REiU87KdxkH+zdfLL/Qj+9kaiMDoiAJ1dd5YEYoicA6mn7EZnhd/BPcwO68X3n08BjDF 1TeKTUDZaDfz66VIQHYHvA7vVxgWLMUxH6fAIP4cebBWO/BMD9fbHZAw3zcruJ8ddKgS dp0Ghp9iqJgsA9mKJg0RVgtSKWWcrN7SQzS3e61Q9qWYW7JGUCZLXcut4L0rDp5Eq2Nc 3wpORAJ3qp0hxRKtquxnzq6RSQYqFf5hdeJhiTTBHc7f9FncUYzlm2DFuWh5Qffa/vZt H+vQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=D5tbVvM4evaq9nndBUmgPmcKqsk1RKob9tjXIvGI5u0=; b=BqdBX/MWObW63sd9Y5gRww78HnLyE62hEVA6oXuvEHhIwIUZDw+sUmHfTyKvfqm58S 9AQTyef9BgIXCIZ/jd/GVlRNkm5kluO7bkIQwmgTFIrlx30xstqh2mv/ZtCR3u7CN2Vy bgwDXg3D30LCOMK89MDJbi+aBsS+0e2YnvM/SRkgUDqKBB0rRnz+QsnlrC3oLm+4uXzr cokesxgThNy24gjwo5u2uMD1lmHbj/NOkxhASLoYf85h6J/sAHYao63wkCo0AM8vHwbC BaIh7ULBT6k3XggZYvRAk2T2qGZczo4uBkQM6E4UgrcPnYzu2pGJgxCHUDrlg1Cthsd7 GfsQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUxmeF0SadlP9HsnfqMD/ZBbXNzPRx9sL2O3KGbrWCr3kGjKvET S/c6YzmJkdyA6pmnA/Lt7TjtNksivv3vrDCRpZP0sS6Q X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxkou25Kt71MO2RiT2jLSHlO2s0sA+s61fewAUfAukjto47fHyOE33/YzjbCVDzeFGxkGAbB5ILCKlS/xnYj/Y= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:ed01:: with SMTP id n1mr71555750iog.255.1563910946667; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:42:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5ceb24c1-66ce-2603-5eed-78283d9676b7@holgerdanske.com> <23861.63968.885139.970960@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <1618173539.5511975.1563822072600@mail.yahoo.com> <1125579496.1306494.1563881223475@mail.yahoo.com> <20190723173126.2a26ee26@archlinux> <20190723210543.2d9d8409@archlinux> <20190723212915.1332184f@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20190723212915.1332184f@archlinux> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:42:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best hardware for a replacement desktop? To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , Gene Heskett X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9ADA371D56 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=dFd5ug0T; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.03 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.955,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE(-2.07)[ip: (-4.75), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.10), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:42:28 -0000 On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 3:29 PM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 21:05:43 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:18:48 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >>lips are in sync > > > >When I was a young audio-video engineer in the 80s, lip-sync was a > >_must_. Within the last decade and a little bit before, I've never seen > >anything lip-sync anymore. In my experiences lip-sync doesn't exist > >anymore. > > It's quite funny, if people try to highlight their education by watching > ballet dancers on television by romanticizing the esthetics, while > audio and video are completely out of sync. > I was talking dialog only for example if I am watching the news I don't want to see the anchor's lips moving but no words coming out until a second or two later... In terms of music since I am a classic rock person I can give a rats ass for stuff like lip-syncing (I don't think the late 60's to mid 70's even had any way of doing lip-syncing by technical means) -- Aryeh M. 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In terms of music since I am a classic rock >person I can give a rats ass for stuff like lip-syncing (I don't think >the late 60's to mid 70's even had any way of doing lip-syncing by >technical means) It's way off-topic, so my apologies for mentioning this in the first place, but actually old analog lip-sync, by the original analog material, tends to be way more perfect, than anything digital. By technical means early analog material tends to be way more precise, than anything either original digital or analog converted to digital. The funny ting is, that even early digital technology wasn't that bad, it's just the new digital technology that makes lip-sync a PITA, to an quasi unsolvable issue. Lip-sync is out of style ;). 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Are you saying that's wrong? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 23 21:31:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8D7B43E0 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 21:31:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd36.google.com (mail-io1-xd36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE1DA76C8A for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 21:31:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd36.google.com with SMTP id m24so85084013ioo.2 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:31:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NMHTTTjSNSQfJze9f4VgmEHId3t8tccNkb9rvmjW9Hs=; b=AwZl/6H/ipZotR0v8az2UJLmOkK2hOo0YQ0qsFYIb1CmMeaLoj9XsnVDfpUinayAS0 41cYqaOy0mt7SLFyaubV6wjolawj/Q88aBfw4LMn9fIY92CTGGxUvS6Ri2/7gN/iGV9H XChbCguB4ZEiGm98vZ9rhoMKLmMvnIaIuvXKYBFsgQpEb77WUOnEscbx2mqOI/xyr198 6EZyCV0D9D6VN4XBB3h//E7Ogd36eFxtXWExOcnx0jb6Ozm+D1qnYeJvpsFQ1daW7jVk PdOBhLhZ9xxi3aVrEavbC6IQoAH1SACddl+qjJV2UpDsoXW2vBHpWfwEXJ9d6tdxESzC 6wuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NMHTTTjSNSQfJze9f4VgmEHId3t8tccNkb9rvmjW9Hs=; b=DG1JaublQEXRiuebpqthmqGHPvIDUo06Kwx50BU+/AJV6w3gMtoRCjEyDsOIA5ah44 cOtnw9nNhlj9rwPsjdExS0yBY1R38cI+t+VYnqrK/QfgxarCtwl3/vcCQz7Hm7P0uzVZ eIvH2kSAqyBF0uEei8o1pg6NA4FjAPHlS+XhY/XFJLnghtNLhAfB4jjSRM7hZHSIOuBL Rbw+PMwdfxSBQnvOrQlAB0IXnHhWwsxi71hnpz/2846LfWCgXxYKzaXboFHSMBTduuk2 C+YFMp19Us+8/qH4qdek8SKWlznOdQpIPcRTQmo2kA9qdMi9NmShhID7E9IuCxLKf4ji cBtw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVGTAqA8C1+TYa9JUI47nd7MXhB2RpkI1g63CMtBUWQl3EfmPDz UKasR3LXzQA4wluqM8XBAMyXJ3piuLb7rkCnY48= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz0wvZW6z/rqNLMKzde/e7TG7Eo4/Kg2vxIPmrLwNoKAjw4yAgC17LlEomO7pv7obcgnFnK1kAeY/qDmoHf9ho= X-Received: by 2002:a02:a183:: with SMTP id n3mr84515734jah.74.1563917493282; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:31:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5ceb24c1-66ce-2603-5eed-78283d9676b7@holgerdanske.com> <23861.63968.885139.970960@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <1618173539.5511975.1563822072600@mail.yahoo.com> <1125579496.1306494.1563881223475@mail.yahoo.com> <20190723173126.2a26ee26@archlinux> <20190723221938.28a62565@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20190723221938.28a62565@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 17:31:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best hardware for a replacement desktop? To: RW Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EE1DA76C8A X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=AwZl/6H/; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.03 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.956,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.06)[ip: (-4.72), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.10), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 21:31:35 -0000 On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:19 PM RW via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:18:48 -0400 > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > (the documentation > > currently has a reported bug that leads to a misconfiguration [you > > need to load nvidia.ko as well as nvidia-modeset.ko in loader.conf > > and not post device probing > > > My understanding is that you only need to load nvidia-modeset.ko in > loader.conf, and nvidia.ko will get loaded as a side effect. Are you > saying that's wrong? > Yes: nvidia-modeset_load="YES" Will *NOT* load it correctly (it will not find the card in the device probe) *BUT*: nvidia_load="YES" nvidia-modeset_load="YES" works fine (about twice as fast performance also). See: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/frustration-about-update-of-nvidia-driver-port.57477/ and associate PR https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212279 For reference I am using: x11/nvidia-driver-390.87_3 (current version from ports/head svn repo) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. 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To: RW Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3CA597725D X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=odWprn1B; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.30 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.62)[ip: (-2.51), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.10), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.67)[-0.672,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 21:40:23 -0000 See new PR https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=239412 On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:31 PM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:19 PM RW via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:18:48 -0400 >> Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> >> > (the documentation >> > currently has a reported bug that leads to a misconfiguration [you >> > need to load nvidia.ko as well as nvidia-modeset.ko in loader.conf >> > and not post device probing >> >> >> My understanding is that you only need to load nvidia-modeset.ko in >> loader.conf, and nvidia.ko will get loaded as a side effect. Are you >> saying that's wrong? >> > > Yes: > > nvidia-modeset_load="YES" > > Will *NOT* load it correctly (it will not find the card in the device > probe) *BUT*: > > nvidia_load="YES" > nvidia-modeset_load="YES" > > works fine (about twice as fast performance also). See: > > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/frustration-about-update-of-nvidia-driver-port.57477/ > and associate PR https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212279 > > For reference I am using: x11/nvidia-driver-390.87_3 (current version from > ports/head svn repo) > > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 23 22:08:09 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70717B54F8 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 22:08:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x329.google.com (mail-wm1-x329.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::329]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71E1680AB3 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 22:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x329.google.com with SMTP id f17so39764905wme.2 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:08:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=S9ncvFbPbnKPFrvDL4MkLyDfBTKGSRkh46eiMCHMy+0=; b=X/Ranz5bE0favYpWVEAkH9tvAiVv4O7FCS7HTLv3OJZroNgF4HtXqlqRS4BK98zxUc fI5KXronOOGM1kLLXfBmIoRuAsHTdT7NgOHqyQK+FXXd0YidnXKADu5Szn/7U/HOazIF 6LuMEPt51Qyqq0q7MmT7Vdwj7aBbdZwb8ee1BonbEXjdN5146WwwEisNvL9ct9xRSJQI 7sLhftPAWC/G7mm6IvGcXN2hA6QxHWBywMZHnaaj8O057m0lxvc8hjGueyaVkVHpIwc+ IkXK93xS6ZUWiId/K+JiWkWG4DKVbbRi9EE9rTfyqP+EZWPK6f/eES7+JPCC423aKfNg HzMQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXNTj3nCesix1+uDd42+JhKzBU65o8IxQiSjhd5SsCJ9gonxx7H yXwH4qy8Yf0e/g0vaywZIe+N42qtkWo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzaJ39GCKcR9Kt+hjUMZpMhs6QGo9PqCyUlS9YWsV5c+WqA+A+yyqVv7aPzmBg3nM4vP2Ul3Q== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:be05:: with SMTP id o5mr71612554wmf.52.1563919687239; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([2.124.155.157]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v124sm46708199wmf.23.2019.07.23.15.08.06 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 23:08:04 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best hardware for a replacement desktop? 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Are you > > saying that's wrong? > > > > Yes: > > nvidia-modeset_load="YES" > > Will *NOT* load it correctly (it will not find the card in the device > probe) *BUT*: > > nvidia_load="YES" > nvidia-modeset_load="YES" > > works fine (about twice as fast performance also). It does seem to use less cpu time. What's strange is that mplayer claims it's using vdpau either way. 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[209.85.166.49]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z19sm55996682ioh.12.2019.07.23.15.23.24 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-f49.google.com with SMTP id j5so81128315ioj.8 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:23:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a02:a417:: with SMTP id c23mr10179370jal.141.1563920604790; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:23:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5ceb24c1-66ce-2603-5eed-78283d9676b7@holgerdanske.com> <23861.63968.885139.970960@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <1618173539.5511975.1563822072600@mail.yahoo.com> <1125579496.1306494.1563881223475@mail.yahoo.com> <20190723173126.2a26ee26@archlinux> <20190723221938.28a62565@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: From: Ultima Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:23:13 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best hardware for a replacement desktop? To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: RW , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9A44C81774 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ultima1252@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ultima1252@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.16 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.951,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[ultima@ultimasbox.com,ultima1252@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; IP_SCORE(-2.20)[ip: (-5.08), ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.44), asn: 15169(-2.44), country: US(-0.05)]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[ultima@ultimasbox.com,ultima1252@gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ultimasbox.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[44.166.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[googlemail.com] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 22:23:33 -0000 One of my favorite boards at the moment is the atom c3958. [1] in particular and I currently have 4 of. Depending on your needs, it may not be what you are looking for though. This is an extremely powerful SoC with low power cost. It is also important to note that they only support 1 pci-e x8 card, which may or may not work for you. IMO though, the best deal Iv seen so far is the one mentioned on ebay by David. If I were in the market, that is the one I would grab. (and already recommended it to a friend) [1] https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/A2SDi-H-TP4F Best regards, Richard Gallamore On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:40 PM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > See new PR https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=239412 > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:31 PM Aryeh Friedman > wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:19 PM RW via freebsd-questions < > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:18:48 -0400 > >> Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >> > >> > (the documentation > >> > currently has a reported bug that leads to a misconfiguration [you > >> > need to load nvidia.ko as well as nvidia-modeset.ko in loader.conf > >> > and not post device probing > >> > >> > >> My understanding is that you only need to load nvidia-modeset.ko in > >> loader.conf, and nvidia.ko will get loaded as a side effect. Are you > >> saying that's wrong? > >> > > > > Yes: > > > > nvidia-modeset_load="YES" > > > > Will *NOT* load it correctly (it will not find the card in the device > > probe) *BUT*: > > > > nvidia_load="YES" > > nvidia-modeset_load="YES" > > > > works fine (about twice as fast performance also). See: > > > > > > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/frustration-about-update-of-nvidia-driver-port.57477/ > > and associate PR > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212279 > > > > For reference I am using: x11/nvidia-driver-390.87_3 (current version > from > > ports/head svn repo) > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > > > > -- > > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > > > -- > Aryeh M. 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I'm > surprised about the minimal price differences. I would take a look at > the Ampere available on the secondary side. > > While I disagree with Paul Pathiakis regarding the "overkill", he has > good a good point: "efficiency" The reason for avoiding overpowered PSUs is not the difference in price, it's that they are optimized for different loads. 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Can someone please fix this? Thank you. Kent Kuriyama (kent.kuriyama@gmail.com) ------------------------------------------------ # dig svn0.us-west.freebsd.org ; <<>> DiG 9.14.4 <<>> svn0.us-west.freebsd.org ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 41944 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096 ; COOKIE: ba8993c4d47f03b52d95a2745d3950c9c28891c662f52315 (good) ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;svn0.us-west.freebsd.org. 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Let me know if we can sch= edule a call to discuss further. Look forward to hearing back Regards, Mancy From: Mancy Josh Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 2:00 PM To: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' Subject: Aviation and Aerospace Industry Hi, Would you be keen on an email contact list from Aviation and Aerospace Indu= stry? We can help you reach out to key decision makers like Title Includes: * Aerospace Engineers * Project Manager * Space and Satellite Engineer * Buyers and Procurement Specialists * Presidents, VPs, CEOs, CTOs, MDs and GMs * Quality Specialists * Facilities Director / Manager I'd be happy to send over a few example records on your request, and set up= a time to discuss in detail. Have a great day! Respects, Mancy Josh / CD Services In the event that you don't wish to get messages from us answer back with "= Withdraw". 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 00:13:55 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33D8B1C39 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 00:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglist@diamondbox.dk) Received: from mailrelay1-2.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (mailrelay1-2.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com [46.30.212.0]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 754076D2C1 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 00:13:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglist@diamondbox.dk) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=diamondbox.dk; s=20140924; h=content-type:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:from; bh=Zluma8wtz2Wb8Rd7EPH7oBMjDTv9SiX/4AKv3Cd7wrQ=; b=L6wTEQnbEYBCGBFCB6eesuB+MV56WgQTb1ugctIaADdCTSgmf9JCCRV18oViAmGK7r85TUXZ4R+lP 5Yhqe1IVj9+d/oglh2fgvKkFz+nLbh9aJ2iZV8pxwv+I2/HEaSO73HXGccggvvHK/NJfQbzr+lu290 Le2Na+6I4wQ18/Cw= X-HalOne-Cookie: e17608d23161c31755b40e21357ee2689e594352 X-HalOne-ID: d4c9e9ca-af37-11e9-aee2-d0431ea8a283 Received: from diamond.diamondbox.dk (unknown [213.32.242.13]) by mailrelay1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (Halon) with ESMTPSA id d4c9e9ca-af37-11e9-aee2-d0431ea8a283; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 23:57:37 +0000 (UTC) To: FreeBSD Questions From: Nikolaj Thygesen Subject: cc -c test.adb freezing Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 01:56:37 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: da X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 754076D2C1 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=diamondbox.dk header.s=20140924 header.b=L6wTEQnb X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[diamondbox.dk:s=20140924]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[diamondbox.dk.multi.uribl.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[diamondbox.dk]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[diamondbox.dk:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx3.pub.mailpod2-cph3.one.com,mx1.pub.mailpod2-cph3.one.com,mx2.pub.mailpod2-cph3.one.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[0.212.30.46.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.27)[-0.273,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.24)[ipnet: 46.30.208.0/21(-0.65), asn: 51468(-0.50), country: DK(-0.03)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:51468, ipnet:46.30.208.0/21, country:DK]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 00:13:55 -0000 Hi list,     What can I do to once again build "devel/binutils" using plain make/portupgrade? If I put any kind of random text into an .adb-file (Ada) like e.g. "test.adb" from the subject line above and try to compile it using the system cc: FreeBSD clang version 6.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_601/final 335540) (based on LLVM 6.0.1) Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd12.0 Thread model: posix InstalledDir: /usr/bin ... the compiler freezes, and if I run: top -ItPz ... in a different window I start seeing a bunch of cc's being spawned in the background!? I've spotted at least one other person out there seeing the same phenomenon, which ultimately causes configure-scripts to freeze when building "devel/binutils". This even happened back when running fbsd 11, and now also with: 01:37>> uname -a FreeBSD xxxxxx 12.0-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE-p2 r343743 DIAMOND  amd64 ... strangely enough "devel/binutils" still builds when using: synth force devel/binutils     Any hints/solutions would be greatly appreciated!     br Nikolaj Thygesen From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 12:15:32 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C083BE660 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:15:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from outbound.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "outbound.ifdnrg.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 384298D7B5 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:15:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from [192.168.0.210] (38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by outbound.ifdnrg.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x6QBwioA009627 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:58:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) X-Authentication-Warning: outbound.ifdnrg.com: Host 38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38] claimed to be [192.168.0.210] To: FreeBSD Questions From: Paul Macdonald Subject: Help:: Listen queue overflow killing servers Message-ID: <3a62375a-432c-3533-a7bc-e5573c26fa9c@ifdnrg.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:58:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 384298D7B5 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.36 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip4:193.200.98.0/23]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ifdnrg.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[ifdnrg.com,quarantine]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[as1.ifdnrg.com,as3.ifdnrg.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[22.98.200.193.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20860, ipnet:193.200.98.0/23, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RSPAMD_URIBL(4.50)[ifdnrg.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[ifdnrg.com:s=ifdnrg-default]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[ifdnrg.com.multi.uribl.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.48)[0.481,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.42)[-0.419,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[ifdnrg.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.04)[0.042,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.13)[ipnet: 193.200.98.0/23(-4.83), asn: 20860(-0.75), country: GB(-0.08)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:15:32 -0000 Hi, Over the past few months i've seen several boxes (4 or 5) become unresponsive as a result of a Listen queue overflow state. Processes stack up, none are killable, all these are within jails and neither the jail can be stopped nor the server rebooted (without a power cycle). All are on ZFS and are std apache/php/mysql servers with nothing too exotic. All on 12.0-RELEASE, i've only started seeing these issues recently, but it feels like more and more. /var/log/messages shows tyically;     kernel: sonewconn: pcb 0xfffff813395e3d58: Listen queue overflow: 193 already in queue awaiting acceptance (83 occurrences) netstat -Lan  shows tcp4 193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.443 tcp4  193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.80 connections cannot be killed with tcpdrop ( except ssh which can!) All processes seem to be in Disk State ( many many apache processes but others getting stuck too) www      60089    0.0 0.1  196588   78328  -  DJ   21:07         1:19.54 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT .. www      93713    0.0 0.0  183576   33164  -  DJ   23:57         0:00.01 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT but no zombies.. last pid: 24773;  load averages:  0.00,  0.00, 0.00                       up 52+11:41:09  11:48:02 918 processes: 1 running, 917 sleeping CPU:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0% interrupt,  100% idle Mem: 107M Active, 3729M Inact, 93G Wired, 27G Free ARC: 79G Total, 54G MFU, 23G MRU, 243M Anon, 710M Header, 1615M Other      73G Compressed, 191G Uncompressed, 2.60:1 Ratio Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M Free I'd appreciate any advice as at present it looks like my only option is to hard power cycle these many thanks Paul. -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ---------------------------------------------------- Virtual Servers from £50.00pm High specification Dedicated Servers from £150.00pm ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 12:20:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D41DBE7A5 for ; 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Ruzanov X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: 5030 C793 4238 FAFF 827F 0E99 FDCE 63DD F433 BDD5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 55DD38E1CD X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=fail reason="" header.from=canmos.ru (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.62 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RSPAMD_URIBL(4.50)[ifdnrg.com]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[ifdnrg.com.multi.uribl.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.95)[0.948,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.08)[ipnet: 89.107.120.0/21(0.23), asn: 39821(0.18), country: RU(0.01)]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: pochta-mx.canmos.ru]; CTYPE_MIXED_BOGUS(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:39821, ipnet:89.107.120.0/21, country:RU]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[canmos.ru : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-Spam: Yes Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:31:25 -0000 You can increase TCP queue at system level: sysctl kern.ipc.somaxconn=65535 (its maximum value). But often its not enough because of application you use. So dig into application settings to increase the queue of TCP sockets to be handled in your system. On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: | |Hi, | |Over the past few months i've seen several boxes (4 or 5) become unresponsive |as a result of a Listen queue overflow state. | |Processes stack up, none are killable, all these are within jails and neither |the jail can be stopped nor the server rebooted (without a power cycle). | |All are on ZFS and are std apache/php/mysql servers with nothing too exotic. | |All on 12.0-RELEASE, i've only started seeing these issues recently, but it |feels like more and more. | |/var/log/messages shows tyically; | |    kernel: sonewconn: pcb 0xfffff813395e3d58: Listen queue overflow: 193 |already in queue awaiting acceptance (83 occurrences) | |netstat -Lan  shows | |tcp4 193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.443 |tcp4  193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.80 | |connections cannot be killed with tcpdrop ( except ssh which can!) | |All processes seem to be in Disk State ( many many apache processes but others |getting stuck too) | |www      60089    0.0 0.1  196588   78328  -  DJ   21:07         1:19.54 |/usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT |.. | |www      93713    0.0 0.0  183576   33164  -  DJ   23:57         0:00.01 |/usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT | |but no zombies.. | |last pid: 24773;  load averages:  0.00,  0.00, 0.00                       up |52+11:41:09  11:48:02 |918 processes: 1 running, 917 sleeping |CPU:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0% interrupt,  100% idle |Mem: 107M Active, 3729M Inact, 93G Wired, 27G Free |ARC: 79G Total, 54G MFU, 23G MRU, 243M Anon, 710M Header, 1615M Other |     73G Compressed, 191G Uncompressed, 2.60:1 Ratio |Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M Free | | |I'd appreciate any advice as at present it looks like my only option is to hard |power cycle these | |many thanks | |Paul. | | | |-- |------------------------- |Paul Macdonald |IFDNRG Ltd |Web and video hosting |------------------------- |t: 0131 5548070 |m: 07970339546 |e: paul@ifdnrg.com |w: http://www.ifdnrg.com |------------------------- |IFDNRG |40 Maritime Street |Edinburgh |EH6 6SA |---------------------------------------------------- | |Virtual Servers from £50.00pm |High specification Dedicated Servers from £150.00pm | |---------------------------------------------------- | |_______________________________________________ |freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list |https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions |To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" | From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 12:41:32 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F87BF172 for ; 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Fri, 26 Jul 2019 05:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Help:: Listen queue overflow killing servers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3a62375a-432c-3533-a7bc-e5573c26fa9c@ifdnrg.com> From: MJ Message-ID: <907bd63c-7487-0b01-b202-7c67b8c0d07f@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 22:41:01 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 297178E6FB X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=WHslzHmV; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mafsys1234@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::535 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mafsys1234@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.05 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; 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I don't know the ops knowledge of dtrace but running truss on one of the stuck processes might given him a clue as to why these processes are bottlenecking the system. You could probably up kern.ipc.soacceptqueue for some temporary relief but I'd suggest that would just mask the problem. Cheers Mark On 26/07/2019 10:28 pm, Igor V. Ruzanov wrote: > You can increase TCP queue at system level: > sysctl kern.ipc.somaxconn=65535 (its maximum value). But often its not > enough because of application you use. So dig into application settings to > increase the queue of TCP sockets to be handled in your system. > > > On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: > > | > |Hi, > | > |Over the past few months i've seen several boxes (4 or 5) become unresponsive > |as a result of a Listen queue overflow state. > | > |Processes stack up, none are killable, all these are within jails and neither > |the jail can be stopped nor the server rebooted (without a power cycle). > | > |All are on ZFS and are std apache/php/mysql servers with nothing too exotic. > | > |All on 12.0-RELEASE, i've only started seeing these issues recently, but it > |feels like more and more. > | > |/var/log/messages shows tyically; > | > |    kernel: sonewconn: pcb 0xfffff813395e3d58: Listen queue overflow: 193 > |already in queue awaiting acceptance (83 occurrences) > | > |netstat -Lan  shows > | > |tcp4 193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.443 > |tcp4  193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.80 > | > |connections cannot be killed with tcpdrop ( except ssh which can!) > | > |All processes seem to be in Disk State ( many many apache processes but others > |getting stuck too) > | > |www      60089    0.0 0.1  196588   78328  -  DJ   21:07         1:19.54 > |/usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT > |.. > | > |www      93713    0.0 0.0  183576   33164  -  DJ   23:57         0:00.01 > |/usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT > | > |but no zombies.. > | > |last pid: 24773;  load averages:  0.00,  0.00, 0.00                       up > |52+11:41:09  11:48:02 > |918 processes: 1 running, 917 sleeping > |CPU:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0% interrupt,  100% idle > |Mem: 107M Active, 3729M Inact, 93G Wired, 27G Free > |ARC: 79G Total, 54G MFU, 23G MRU, 243M Anon, 710M Header, 1615M Other > |     73G Compressed, 191G Uncompressed, 2.60:1 Ratio > |Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M Free > | > | > |I'd appreciate any advice as at present it looks like my only option is to hard > |power cycle these > | > |many thanks > | > |Paul. > | > | > | > |-- > |------------------------- > |Paul Macdonald > |IFDNRG Ltd > |Web and video hosting > |------------------------- > |t: 0131 5548070 > |m: 07970339546 > |e: paul@ifdnrg.com > |w: http://www.ifdnrg.com > |------------------------- > |IFDNRG > |40 Maritime Street > |Edinburgh > |EH6 6SA > |---------------------------------------------------- > | > |Virtual Servers from £50.00pm > |High specification Dedicated Servers from £150.00pm > | > |---------------------------------------------------- > | > |_______________________________________________ > |freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > |https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > |To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > | > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 12:47:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9983BBF2B5 for ; 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If yes disable it and see if = the issue is resolved. > On 26 Jul 2019, at 14:58, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions = wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Over the past few months i've seen several boxes (4 or 5) become = unresponsive as a result of a Listen queue overflow state. >=20 > Processes stack up, none are killable, all these are within jails and = neither the jail can be stopped nor the server rebooted (without a power = cycle). >=20 > All are on ZFS and are std apache/php/mysql servers with nothing too = exotic. >=20 > All on 12.0-RELEASE, i've only started seeing these issues recently, = but it feels like more and more. >=20 > /var/log/messages shows tyically; >=20 > kernel: sonewconn: pcb 0xfffff813395e3d58: Listen queue overflow: = 193 already in queue awaiting acceptance (83 occurrences) >=20 > netstat -Lan shows >=20 > tcp4 193/0/128 x.x.x.x.443 > tcp4 193/0/128 x.x.x.x.80 >=20 > connections cannot be killed with tcpdrop ( except ssh which can!) >=20 > All processes seem to be in Disk State ( many many apache processes = but others getting stuck too) >=20 > www 60089 0.0 0.1 196588 78328 - DJ 21:07 = 1:19.54 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT > .. >=20 > www 93713 0.0 0.0 183576 33164 - DJ 23:57 = 0:00.01 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT >=20 > but no zombies.. >=20 > last pid: 24773; load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 = up 52+11:41:09 11:48:02 > 918 processes: 1 running, 917 sleeping > CPU: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle > Mem: 107M Active, 3729M Inact, 93G Wired, 27G Free > ARC: 79G Total, 54G MFU, 23G MRU, 243M Anon, 710M Header, 1615M Other > 73G Compressed, 191G Uncompressed, 2.60:1 Ratio > Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M Free >=20 >=20 > I'd appreciate any advice as at present it looks like my only option = is to hard power cycle these >=20 > many thanks >=20 > Paul. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > ------------------------- > Paul Macdonald > IFDNRG Ltd > Web and video hosting > ------------------------- > t: 0131 5548070 > m: 07970339546 > e: paul@ifdnrg.com > w: http://www.ifdnrg.com > ------------------------- > IFDNRG > 40 Maritime Street > Edinburgh > EH6 6SA > ---------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Virtual Servers from =C2=A350.00pm > High specification Dedicated Servers from =C2=A3150.00pm >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 12:52:19 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD2BBF441 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:52:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rs@bytecamp.net) Received: from mxout01.bytecamp.net (mxout01.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.217]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FC2F8F01E for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:52:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rs@bytecamp.net) Received: by mxout01.bytecamp.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F3E1F55859; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 14:52:08 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=bytecamp.net; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=20140709; bh=Xd/9K/YX6nVir1D8D+A9/ASiDrU=; b=i7TAPADgJHphCi8TLiG5HHmZMy0OJOWWxkcXjd1bbSKAP62YjErpEIP+lGrjCxC4gdPSCPG9nrsmKObKvyW6nbzDxLZpSwv2D06lIobXr4Hzg6us/7PVIJlPmD0DCysIyeywZsTlryGckk5ne7FeC7mAJiX4j35h6BJglH7CZI4= Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by mxout01.bytecamp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0D055856 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 14:52:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1955 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2019 14:52:08 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.3.59?) 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NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.940,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bytecamp.net:s=20140709]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bytecamp.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[bytecamp.net.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.56)[0.563,0]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[bytecamp.net.multi.uribl.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:52:19 -0000 Hi, Am 26.07.19 um 13:58 schrieb Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions: > Over the past few months i've seen several boxes (4 or 5) become > unresponsive as a result of a Listen queue overflow state. > > Processes stack up, none are killable, all these are within jails and > neither the jail can be stopped nor the server rebooted (without a power > cycle). > > All are on ZFS and are std apache/php/mysql servers with nothing too > exotic. > > All on 12.0-RELEASE, i've only started seeing these issues recently, but > it feels like more and more. > > /var/log/messages shows tyically; > >     kernel: sonewconn: pcb 0xfffff813395e3d58: Listen queue overflow: > 193 already in queue awaiting acceptance (83 occurrences) > > netstat -Lan  shows > > tcp4 193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.443 > tcp4  193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.80 > > connections cannot be killed with tcpdrop ( except ssh which can!) > > All processes seem to be in Disk State ( many many apache processes but > others getting stuck too) > > www      60089    0.0 0.1  196588   78328  -  DJ   21:07         1:19.54 > /usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT > .. > > www      93713    0.0 0.0  183576   33164  -  DJ   23:57         0:00.01 > /usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT > I think, these processes waiting for disk i/o are actually your problem. Since they cannot answer further requests, they run into the listen queue overflow. You should check the processes with procstat: list kernel threads: # procstat -kk list open files: # procstat -f with kind regards, Robert Schulze From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 12:56:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E06DBF6C5 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:56:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igorr@pochta-mx.canmos.ru) Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 318108F1FA for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:56:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igorr@pochta-mx.canmos.ru) Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) by pochta-mx.canmos.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id F129F2DBC3CE; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:01:10 +0300 (MSK) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2-pochta_20190408 (2011-06-06) on pochta.canmos.ru X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2-pochta_20190408 X-Spam-Report: * -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by pochta-mx.canmos.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:01:10 +0300 (MSK) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:01:10 +0300 (MSK) From: "Igor V. Ruzanov" X-X-Sender: igorr@pochta.canmos.ru To: MJ cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help:: Listen queue overflow killing servers In-Reply-To: <907bd63c-7487-0b01-b202-7c67b8c0d07f@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <3a62375a-432c-3533-a7bc-e5573c26fa9c@ifdnrg.com> <907bd63c-7487-0b01-b202-7c67b8c0d07f@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-GPG-PUBLIC-KEY: 1024D/F433BDD5 2009-06-17 Igor V. 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And also, look at memory usage with top (for example) command. In ZFS context you just NEED to perform system tuning because of huge RAM usage by ZFS. And one more thing - tell vmstat -z and see how many failures for different system structures in command output. I gues you didn't tune the system to use it in highload conditions. On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, MJ wrote: |I'd also look at why it's disk bound. I don't know the ops knowledge of dtrace |but running truss on one of the stuck processes might given him a clue as to |why these processes are bottlenecking the system. | |You could probably up kern.ipc.soacceptqueue for some temporary relief but I'd |suggest that would just mask the problem. | |Cheers | |Mark | |On 26/07/2019 10:28 pm, Igor V. Ruzanov wrote: |> You can increase TCP queue at system level: |> sysctl kern.ipc.somaxconn=65535 (its maximum value). But often its not |> enough because of application you use. So dig into application settings to |> increase the queue of TCP sockets to be handled in your system. |> |> |> On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: |> |> | |> |Hi, |> | |> |Over the past few months i've seen several boxes (4 or 5) become |> unresponsive |> |as a result of a Listen queue overflow state. |> | |> |Processes stack up, none are killable, all these are within jails and |> neither |> |the jail can be stopped nor the server rebooted (without a power cycle). |> | |> |All are on ZFS and are std apache/php/mysql servers with nothing too exotic. |> | |> |All on 12.0-RELEASE, i've only started seeing these issues recently, but it |> |feels like more and more. |> | |> |/var/log/messages shows tyically; |> | |> |    kernel: sonewconn: pcb 0xfffff813395e3d58: Listen queue overflow: 193 |> |already in queue awaiting acceptance (83 occurrences) |> | |> |netstat -Lan  shows |> | |> |tcp4 193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.443 |> |tcp4  193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.80 |> | |> |connections cannot be killed with tcpdrop ( except ssh which can!) |> | |> |All processes seem to be in Disk State ( many many apache processes but |> others |> |getting stuck too) |> | |> |www      60089    0.0 0.1  196588   78328  -  DJ   21:07         1:19.54 |> |/usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT |> |.. |> | |> |www      93713    0.0 0.0  183576   33164  -  DJ   23:57         0:00.01 |> |/usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT |> | |> |but no zombies.. |> | |> |last pid: 24773;  load averages:  0.00,  0.00, 0.00                       up |> |52+11:41:09  11:48:02 |> |918 processes: 1 running, 917 sleeping |> |CPU:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0% interrupt,  100% idle |> |Mem: 107M Active, 3729M Inact, 93G Wired, 27G Free |> |ARC: 79G Total, 54G MFU, 23G MRU, 243M Anon, 710M Header, 1615M Other |> |     73G Compressed, 191G Uncompressed, 2.60:1 Ratio |> |Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M Free |> | |> | |> |I'd appreciate any advice as at present it looks like my only option is to |> hard |> |power cycle these |> | |> |many thanks |> | |> |Paul. |> | |> | |> | |> |-- |> |------------------------- |> |Paul Macdonald |> |IFDNRG Ltd |> |Web and video hosting |> |------------------------- |> |t: 0131 5548070 |> |m: 07970339546 |> |e: paul@ifdnrg.com |> |w: http://www.ifdnrg.com |> |------------------------- |> |IFDNRG |> |40 Maritime Street |> |Edinburgh |> |EH6 6SA |> |---------------------------------------------------- |> | |> |Virtual Servers from £50.00pm |> |High specification Dedicated Servers from £150.00pm |> | |> |---------------------------------------------------- |> | |> |_______________________________________________ |> |freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list |> |https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions |> |To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" |> | |> _______________________________________________ |> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list |> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions |> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" |_______________________________________________ |freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list |https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions |To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" | From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 13:07:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3E8BFA66 for ; 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A+ Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 13:08:29 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4953DBFB64 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:08:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from outbound.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "outbound.ifdnrg.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5BB58FADA for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:08:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from [192.168.0.210] (38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by outbound.ifdnrg.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x6QD8ODp037114 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 14:08:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) X-Authentication-Warning: outbound.ifdnrg.com: Host 38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38] claimed to be [192.168.0.210] Subject: Re: Help:: Listen queue overflow killing servers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3a62375a-432c-3533-a7bc-e5573c26fa9c@ifdnrg.com> <92866b76-5f11-2523-cc8f-0d92cc91a50e@bytecamp.net> From: Paul Macdonald Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 14:08:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <92866b76-5f11-2523-cc8f-0d92cc91a50e@bytecamp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B5BB58FADA X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.14 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip4:193.200.98.0/23]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ifdnrg.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[ifdnrg.com,quarantine]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: as1.ifdnrg.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[22.98.200.193.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20860, ipnet:193.200.98.0/23, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RSPAMD_URIBL(4.50)[ifdnrg.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[ifdnrg.com:s=ifdnrg-default]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[ifdnrg.com.multi.uribl.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.40)[-0.404,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.80)[-0.800,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[ifdnrg.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.08)[0.077,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.12)[ipnet: 193.200.98.0/23(-4.77), asn: 20860(-0.75), country: GB(-0.08)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:08:29 -0000 On 26/07/2019 13:52, Robert Schulze wrote: > Hi, > > Am 26.07.19 um 13:58 schrieb Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions: > I think, these processes waiting for disk i/o are actually your problem. > Since they cannot answer further requests, they run into the listen > queue overflow. > > You should check the processes with procstat: > > list kernel threads: > # procstat -kk > > list open files: > # procstat -f One of the things we do (whihc may be bad)  is to log to a single file ( e.g all.sites.log, this doesn;t seem to cause problems in general , but i can see how if there's X child processes then they may all need write locks) Is that a really bad idea? ( Often handy to have one file for differnet vhosts, but maybe that needs a rethink) In this case the drive is NVMe, and there's actually  only a handful of sites, (Other servers have several hundreds of sites, much busy but don;t display  the issue) In answer to some of the other suggestions, its not actually under high load ( 5000 lines in the apache log for the whole day), and system has 16C/32T,  128GB RAM ZFS is using a bunch of RAM as i've not limited the ARC, but there's 27GB free currently. I guess i actually have 2 questions 1) why are the queues filling up (i'll  revert to seperate logs to see if that helps, although the issue is sporadic, and first time on this box) 2)  Once the queues are over limit, is this actually unresolvable other than a hard reboot? I've increased the queue size via sysctl kern.ipc.somaxconn to 1024 for now but netstat -Lan still shows tcp4  0/0/128                          x.x.x.x.443 tcp4  0/0/128                          x.x.x.x.80 thanks for assiestence Paul > with kind regards, > Robert Schulze > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ---------------------------------------------------- Virtual Servers from £50.00pm High specification Dedicated Servers from £150.00pm ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 13:11:57 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9A7BFDE0 for ; 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>=20 > =A0=A0=A0 kernel: sonewconn: pcb 0xfffff813395e3d58: Listen queue > overflow: 193 already in queue awaiting acceptance (83 occurrences) >=20 > netstat -Lan=A0 shows >=20 > tcp4 193/0/128=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 x.x.x.x.443 > tcp4=A0 193/0/128=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 x.x.x.x.80 >=20 > connections cannot be killed with tcpdrop ( except ssh which can!) >=20 > All processes seem to be in Disk State ( many many apache processes > but others getting stuck too) >=20 > www=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 60089=A0=A0=A0 0.0 0.1=A0 196588=A0=A0 78328=A0 -=A0 D= J=A0=A0 21:07 > 1:19.54 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT > .. >=20 > www=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 93713=A0=A0=A0 0.0 0.0=A0 183576=A0=A0 33164=A0 -=A0 D= J=A0=A0 23:57 > 0:00.01 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT >=20 > but no zombies.. >=20 > last pid: 24773;=A0 load averages:=A0 0.00,=A0 0.00, 0.00=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 > =A0=A0=A0 up 52+11:41:09=A0 11:48:02 > 918 processes: 1 running, 917 sleeping > CPU:=A0 0.0% user,=A0 0.0% nice,=A0 0.0% system,=A0 0.0% interrupt,=A0 10= 0% idle > Mem: 107M Active, 3729M Inact, 93G Wired, 27G Free > ARC: 79G Total, 54G MFU, 23G MRU, 243M Anon, 710M Header, 1615M Other > =A0=A0=A0=A0 73G Compressed, 191G Uncompressed, 2.60:1 Ratio > Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M Free >=20 >=20 > I'd appreciate any advice as at present it looks like my only option > is to hard power cycle these I have also been trying to find a resolution to a similar problem (FreeBSD 12.0-STABLE r345381, virtual instace, not jail). Apparently at random, TCP sockets on ports 110 and 143 are stuck in CLOSE_WAIT state (cyrus 3.0.10). My understanding is that in CLOSE_WAIT state the socket is waiting for the server application to close the socket. When the listening queue overflows, I too am unable restart cyrus, even with kill -9, reboot(8) doesn't work, new ssh connection is not accepted. Hard reboot is the only "remedy". I have increased the cyrus listen queue from the default 32 to 128, but I think that's just putting a larger bucket under a leaking roof. --=20 Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 13:19:45 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E083AA1195 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:19:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rs@bytecamp.net) Received: from mxout01.bytecamp.net (mxout01.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.217]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69BBC684BE for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:19:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rs@bytecamp.net) Received: by mxout01.bytecamp.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8E81C55E98; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 15:19:43 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=bytecamp.net; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=20140709; bh=rPBVD7kgTzQkCPJoJjRNcjUoiZw=; b=dvgIptQ7NB3V3GD0DT9mDmbPsJMd3jRRdjQecYBMzj6n/ET4k+6N0pAaftTUYRKi4n4EM9U3KEPpqUH+az6YFHGRK8lF0rC5Dc7HOoF7KOtODgXgq9Jk6Tk/fNytqGqTkRhYyHFzBnbrNKd9wCQv1TRKihkNyjiX3NOek2TCHHM= Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by mxout01.bytecamp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582EA55E95 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 15:19:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 74989 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2019 15:19:43 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.3.59?) 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This process state is uninterruptible, processes in this state cannot be killed. A process simply reaching somaxcon will not interfere with reboot/kill. > I've increased the queue size via > > sysctl kern.ipc.somaxconn > > to 1024 for now You will not solve your problem by increasing somaxconn. You have to figure out why these processes are stuck in disk i/o (see previous hints about procstat). regards Robert Schulze From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 13:25:20 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DC5A1469 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:25:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mafsys1234@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf1-x444.google.com (mail-pf1-x444.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::444]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B2D269CB3 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:25:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mafsys1234@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf1-x444.google.com with SMTP id m30so24543465pff.8 for ; 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RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-1.18)[ip: (-0.30), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.09), asn: 15169(-2.44), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:25:20 -0000 On 26/07/2019 11:08 pm, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On 26/07/2019 13:52, Robert Schulze wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Am 26.07.19 um 13:58 schrieb Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions: >> I think, these processes waiting for disk i/o are actually your problem. >> Since they cannot answer further requests, they run into the listen >> queue overflow. >> >> You should check the processes with procstat: >> >> list kernel threads: >> # procstat -kk >> >> list open files: >> # procstat -f > > > One of the things we do (whihc may be bad)  is to log to a single file > ( e.g all.sites.log, this doesn;t seem to cause problems in general , > but i can see how if there's X child processes then they may all need > write locks) > Unless it's hammering the log and there's locks on it. > Is that a really bad idea? ( Often handy to have one file for > differnet vhosts, but maybe that needs a rethink) Syslog works this way. > > In this case the drive is NVMe, and there's actually  only a handful > of sites, (Other servers have several hundreds of sites, much busy but > don;t display  the issue) > > In answer to some of the other suggestions, its not actually under > high load ( 5000 lines in the apache log for the whole day), and > system has 16C/32T,  128GB RAM > > ZFS is using a bunch of RAM as i've not limited the ARC, but there's > 27GB free currently. > > I guess i actually have 2 questions > > 1) why are the queues filling up (i'll  revert to seperate logs to see > if that helps, although the issue is sporadic, and first time on this > box) > Most likely (given limited information) because the processes are disk bound doing something. They're not able to service the queue, thus leaving a growing queue for the system. > 2) Once the queues are over limit, is this actually unresolvable other > than a hard reboot? > No, you can keep running, you'll just get worse and worse... :-( You need to track down what the processes are doing, as per others' suggestions, and then work back from there. > > >> with kind regards, >> Robert Schulze >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 15:03:41 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE46BA2EF8 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 15:03:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x331.google.com (mail-wm1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D6266D70E for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 15:03:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x331.google.com with SMTP id a15so48281718wmj.5 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:03:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=PEEW1GQaEqhBBDig7css7GtrTH5PUAhcdkTfoSca5kY=; b=Aka6GviRPXqoqLb/qxGidvAzhQxC0Q143kSL5dmgFd9kQXTY75ezUapNmRUVgCDT9U vGG4kVM2WLleAmF9nEsMi9Sv7zDPUy7tpJNRfBZ5XNW7NpkkpNqryvWa4EtuwDiO0biL 4DQdT1Je6AR9EXuxsZgVCTdFXtSS9/ZhHulDCMYMJltECRuNh87DhJndmWO22MLffTFr 3Bscur2bks7Bp6rppo42RJSJj+RY2zvrwpO3ull2UCNyxHzyCvZIVgESXmcowZpb+ABp aTl42Y+BGg1bj3/G+Kvja5+4G72MJJMXw8JvSk+iHq258LSDx/kBymivAMsWV63Dv+Oz G1eQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=PEEW1GQaEqhBBDig7css7GtrTH5PUAhcdkTfoSca5kY=; b=Vh+ks6cRRRw59IRmCFSemwDzF+QzpCgU8B7a+mCpmXkwtra1ePerq/Ew91fzyLsqA4 QNp+dWVjAJy3SthAUjNaiiIss7gR+DC2G/H3bhKs7k0skdgtRUNUOmXErAZuCNvQ4zMa NcjYmV98r3cYNmWsJdywonkV3iJGlj01xfI5PviXRKfFZU0bwx6DIS2djSC7jIutM3gU xxnLP/W5tCGvawUCin19cu1+1ByBeS8rWge9IC/hygjaijcsOea2qguXcYbPAEMY1jO6 3blGb5+YYzHyECeJ45rXVhOsbZQZmNxt8Zb/tHRh52OCEl17ltxYm2S2ZhCLTniqA6qC YGfw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUBd0pivVbX5yisTr7NiLIYsc7sIFTLZvS5ShcjJE5BPgz0Mj3Y kQNkS+LXcdYWc2Hv2tyah8iwR1Oe73W92wVB2A+SjbEA X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzfRtr6dVAD3ZszlR1DdVPelZX/y4U7UWfMOgEiwtNN6KlpijLr1J/fJBnbOCI5SycDkX25H8cqQbHFysFZvBM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:23d2:: with SMTP id p18mr13645624wmb.108.1564153419173; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:03:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:adf:f011:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:03:38 -0700 (PDT) From: David Mehler Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:03:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: freebsd, dovecot, and solr? 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I'm running freebsd and dovecot, to which i'd like to add solr text search. I am stuck on xml schema integration, if anyone has any notes i'd appreciate them. Thanks. Dave. 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(jjohnstone@tridentusa.com@108.53.192.121) by mail.tridentusa.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2019 11:03:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Help:: Listen queue overflow killing servers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3a62375a-432c-3533-a7bc-e5573c26fa9c@ifdnrg.com> <92866b76-5f11-2523-cc8f-0d92cc91a50e@bytecamp.net> <22f7262b-eda8-f9d1-8836-61bcea8e1c5f@gmail.com> From: John Johnstone Message-ID: <71a77de7-7822-7543-a852-9280316c8aeb@tridentusa.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:03:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <22f7262b-eda8-f9d1-8836-61bcea8e1c5f@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2E5546DA44 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jjohnstone.nospamfreebsd@tridentusa.com designates 96.225.19.3 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jjohnstone.nospamfreebsd@tridentusa.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.90 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tridentusa.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail1.tridentusa.com,mail.tridentusa.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.897,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.69)[ip: (-9.53), ipnet: 96.225.0.0/17(-4.77), asn: 701(0.89), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:701, ipnet:96.225.0.0/17, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 15:10:04 -0000 On 7/26/19 9:24 AM, MJ wrote: > > On 26/07/2019 11:08 pm, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: >> >> On 26/07/2019 13:52, Robert Schulze wrote: >> One of the things we do (whihc may be bad)  is to log to a single file >> ( e.g all.sites.log, this doesn;t seem to cause problems in general , >> but i can see how if there's X child processes then they may all need >> write locks) >> > Unless it's hammering the log and there's locks on it. > > >> Is that a really bad idea? ( Often handy to have one file for >> differnet vhosts, but maybe that needs a rethink) > > Syslog works this way. With syslog there are multiple processes all their messages to port 514. There is just a single process syslogd which then writes to its files. The situation here seems to be that all.sites.log is opened for writing with shared access by multiple processes which would be different from syslog. Maybe that approach should also be taken here. With any approach, with one log file there is a serialization of everything written to that file. The throughput of the method that does that becomes a limiting factor. Maybe that limit is being reached. - John J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 16:12:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC18A425D for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A993D6FD10 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:11:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Help:: Listen queue overflow killing servers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3a62375a-432c-3533-a7bc-e5573c26fa9c@ifdnrg.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <2b10f991-bc95-ae31-18e2-95ae943ac527@holgerdanske.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:11:56 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3a62375a-432c-3533-a7bc-e5573c26fa9c@ifdnrg.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A993D6FD10 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.99 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.40)[ipnet: 184.104.0.0/15(0.85), asn: 6939(-2.80), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.49)[-0.494,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[27.128.105.184.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:12:06 -0000 On 7/26/19 4:58 AM, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: > Over the past few months i've seen several boxes (4 or 5) become > unresponsive as a result of a Listen queue overflow state. > All are on ZFS and are std apache/php/mysql servers with nothing too > exotic. > /var/log/messages shows tyically; > >     kernel: sonewconn: pcb 0xfffff813395e3d58: Listen queue overflow: > 193 already in queue awaiting acceptance (83 occurrences) > > netstat -Lan  shows > > tcp4 193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.443 > tcp4  193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.80 What Apache/ PHP/ MySQL applications? Did you write them? If not, who did? Is everything up to date? Have you filed bug reports? Do the applications have logging or debugging capabilities? Have you enabled them? What do they say? Where is the blockage? Deadlock? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 16:57:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AC8A4BC1 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:57:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from outbound.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "outbound.ifdnrg.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 992DC715D2 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:57:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from [192.168.0.210] (38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by outbound.ifdnrg.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x6QGvJfW019685 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:57:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) X-Authentication-Warning: outbound.ifdnrg.com: Host 38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38] claimed to be [192.168.0.210] Subject: Re: Help:: Listen queue overflow killing servers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3a62375a-432c-3533-a7bc-e5573c26fa9c@ifdnrg.com> <2b10f991-bc95-ae31-18e2-95ae943ac527@holgerdanske.com> From: Paul Macdonald Message-ID: <2798d3f3-9689-111c-e061-1f6f66d78e03@ifdnrg.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:57:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2b10f991-bc95-ae31-18e2-95ae943ac527@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 992DC715D2 X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.26 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip4:193.200.98.0/23]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: as1.ifdnrg.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ifdnrg.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[ifdnrg.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.850,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[22.98.200.193.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20860, ipnet:193.200.98.0/23, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RSPAMD_URIBL(4.50)[ifdnrg.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[ifdnrg.com:s=ifdnrg-default]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[ifdnrg.com.multi.uribl.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.40)[-0.402,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.77)[-0.771,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[ifdnrg.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.11)[ipnet: 193.200.98.0/23(-4.70), asn: 20860(-0.75), country: GB(-0.08)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:57:25 -0000 On 26/07/2019 17:11, David Christensen wrote: > On 7/26/19 4:58 AM, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: >> Over the past few months i've seen several boxes (4 or 5) become >> unresponsive as a result of a Listen queue overflow state. > >> All are on ZFS and are std apache/php/mysql servers with nothing too >> exotic. > >> /var/log/messages shows tyically; >> >>      kernel: sonewconn: pcb 0xfffff813395e3d58: Listen queue >> overflow: 193 already in queue awaiting acceptance (83 occurrences) >> >> netstat -Lan  shows >> >> tcp4 193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.443 >> tcp4  193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.80 > > > What Apache/ PHP/ MySQL applications?  Did you write them?  If not, > who did?  Is everything up to date?  Have you filed bug reports? > > > Do the applications have logging or debugging capabilities?  Have you > enabled them?  What do they say?  Where is the blockage? Deadlock? > > These were on servers with multiple vhosts, often running wordpress , but in one instance not ( which had custom software we wrote inhouse , but thats been in production for 19 years without this issue!) I suspect it's too low level for application level debugging, all i know so far is:                 - servers become unresponsive, Listen queue overflow messages in /var/log/messages                 - unable to quit jails or even shutdown,  tcpdrop doesn't work (everything in CLOSE_WAIT)                 - On the occasion today ( and i can;t be 100% sure, but i siuspect always) , all the apache processes were in disk wait state,  but this was on a big new box, with a very tiny site, ( on NVMe)                All servers on FBSD12, with zfs and apache is within an (ezjail)                 Multiple load patterns, but 2 out of the 5ish issues don't make much sense as theere would have been very little load.                 Non reproducible, have sieged a couple of the affected boxes with no effect ( and logs on a couple of boxes show no intersting traffic, just normal)                         - siege -c 255 -r 2                         (pretty stressful)                     (target server does now something in netstat queues ,  0-100/512  but apache stays out of disk wait , siege is (un) sucessfull as target copes fine                 run multiple times , no problem, and have now generated about 100,000 lines more in apache log that i saw after the server went down today  ( (6600 hits to a 16C/32T  + 128GB + NVme machine went down with this earlier)                I've just hit it with 255 concurrent users over a period of 20 mins, and it doesn;t blink                 so doesn;t look like its load..... ( and that would have shown up in the logs anyway) > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ---------------------------------------------------- Virtual Servers from £50.00pm High specification Dedicated Servers from £150.00pm ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 18:56:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926FFA6DC5 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 18:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E55176105 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 18:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:56:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Help:: Listen queue overflow killing servers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3a62375a-432c-3533-a7bc-e5573c26fa9c@ifdnrg.com> <2b10f991-bc95-ae31-18e2-95ae943ac527@holgerdanske.com> <2798d3f3-9689-111c-e061-1f6f66d78e03@ifdnrg.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <1d629866-09db-d892-4c55-717b3dfead7f@holgerdanske.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:56:15 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2798d3f3-9689-111c-e061-1f6f66d78e03@ifdnrg.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 18:56:18 -0000 On 7/26/19 9:57 AM, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On 26/07/2019 17:11, David Christensen wrote: >> On 7/26/19 4:58 AM, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: >>> Over the past few months i've seen several boxes (4 or 5) become >>> unresponsive as a result of a Listen queue overflow state. >> >>> All are on ZFS and are std apache/php/mysql servers with nothing too >>> exotic. >> >>> /var/log/messages shows tyically; >>> >>>      kernel: sonewconn: pcb 0xfffff813395e3d58: Listen queue >>> overflow: 193 already in queue awaiting acceptance (83 occurrences) >>> >>> netstat -Lan  shows >>> >>> tcp4 193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.443 >>> tcp4  193/0/128                          x.x.x.x.80 >> >> >> What Apache/ PHP/ MySQL applications?  Did you write them?  If not, >> who did?  Is everything up to date?  Have you filed bug reports? >> >> >> Do the applications have logging or debugging capabilities?  Have you >> enabled them?  What do they say?  Where is the blockage? Deadlock? >> >> > These were on servers with multiple vhosts, often running wordpress , > but in one instance not ( which had custom software we wrote inhouse , > but thats been in production for 19 years without this issue!) > > I suspect it's too low level for application level debugging, > > all i know so far is: > >                 - servers become unresponsive, Listen queue overflow > messages in /var/log/messages > >                 - unable to quit jails or even shutdown,  tcpdrop > doesn't work (everything in CLOSE_WAIT) > >                 - On the occasion today ( and i can;t be 100% sure, but > i siuspect always) , all the apache processes were in disk wait state, > but this was on a big new box, with a very tiny site, ( on NVMe) > >                All servers on FBSD12, with zfs and apache is within an > (ezjail) > >                 Multiple load patterns, but 2 out of the 5ish issues > don't make much sense as theere would have been very little load. > >                 Non reproducible, have sieged a couple of the affected > boxes with no effect ( and logs on a couple of boxes show no intersting > traffic, just normal) > >                         - siege -c 255 -r 2 > >                         (pretty stressful) > >                     (target server does now something in netstat queues > ,  0-100/512  but apache stays out of disk wait , siege is (un) > sucessfull as target copes fine > >                 run multiple times , no problem, and have now generated > about 100,000 lines more in apache log that i saw after the server went > down today  ( (6600 hits to a 16C/32T  + 128GB + NVme machine went down > with this earlier) > >                I've just hit it with 255 concurrent users over a period > of 20 mins, and it doesn;t blink > >                 so doesn;t look like its load..... ( and that would > have shown up in the logs anyway) Is this server in production? If so, it would be prudent to migrate services and data to another computer while you troubleshoot. I would turn on debugging and crank up logging everywhere -- kernel, ZFS, Apache, MySQL, PHP, WP, app code, etc.. Make sure you have a big and fast device/ virtual device for the logs and debug dumps. Are the stress tests hitting the server with "good" traffic? Can you send "bad" traffic? Do you have test suites for any of the components? If so, run them. As you troubleshoot, write new test scripts. Can you capture real traffic and replay it -- preferably traffic that elicits the bug(s)? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 19:34:49 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDCFA7DBE for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:34:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from outbound.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "outbound.ifdnrg.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF53077A94 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:34:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from [192.168.0.210] (38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by outbound.ifdnrg.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x6QJYfUx086969 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 20:34:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) X-Authentication-Warning: outbound.ifdnrg.com: Host 38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38] claimed to be [192.168.0.210] Subject: Re: Help:: Listen queue overflow killing servers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3a62375a-432c-3533-a7bc-e5573c26fa9c@ifdnrg.com> <2b10f991-bc95-ae31-18e2-95ae943ac527@holgerdanske.com> <2798d3f3-9689-111c-e061-1f6f66d78e03@ifdnrg.com> <1d629866-09db-d892-4c55-717b3dfead7f@holgerdanske.com> From: Paul Macdonald Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 20:34:44 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1d629866-09db-d892-4c55-717b3dfead7f@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DF53077A94 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.987,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:34:49 -0000 On 26/07/2019 19:56, David Christensen wrote: > On 7/26/19 9:57 AM, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: >> >> On 26/07/2019 17:11, David Christensen wrote: >>> On 7/26/19 4:58 AM, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: >>>> Over the past few months i've seen several boxes (4 or 5) become >>>> unresponsive as a result of a Listen queue overflow state. >>> >>                  so doesn;t look like its load..... ( and that would >> have shown up in the logs anyway) > > > Is this server in production?  If so, it would be prudent to migrate > services and data to another computer while you troubleshoot. > > this has happened on 5 production boxes over the past few months, all with different hardware and load profiles. > I would turn on debugging and crank up logging everywhere -- kernel, > ZFS, Apache, MySQL, PHP, WP, app code, etc..  Make sure you have a big > and fast device/ virtual device for the logs and debug dumps. > > thats  a big job  we run 110+ servers, i'd like to find something more specific > Are the stress tests hitting the server with "good" traffic?  Can you > send "bad" traffic? > > no idea how to send bad traffic! > Do you have test suites for any of the components?  If so, run them. > As you troubleshoot, write new test scripts. > components are not comparable across boxes, and one box that went down has only our custom code ( which has worked for a decade) > > Can you capture real traffic and replay it -- preferably traffic that > elicits the bug(s)? > the issue doesn;t seem to be that reproducible, i'l check but i think only 1 of the boxes has gone down >1 times with same issue (i can't capture traffic on all boxes) I wish it was more reproducible, i'd downgrade that server down to 11.4 in a heart beat ( i'm suspecting its 12.0 related) ( have see historic report of similar issues on imap boxes, which do have large quues anyway obv) weirdly our imap boxes have been fine, and they have 10k connections all the time. I sieged tested the box that went down earlier today (16C/32T, 128GB RAM, 1Tb NVme) and it didn;t break sweat after 300,000 conections. am at a bit of a loss. > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ---------------------------------------------------- Virtual Servers from £50.00pm High specification Dedicated Servers from £150.00pm ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 20:24:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC412A88EC for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 20:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 124768160F for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 20:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:23:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Help:: Listen queue overflow killing servers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3a62375a-432c-3533-a7bc-e5573c26fa9c@ifdnrg.com> <2b10f991-bc95-ae31-18e2-95ae943ac527@holgerdanske.com> <2798d3f3-9689-111c-e061-1f6f66d78e03@ifdnrg.com> <1d629866-09db-d892-4c55-717b3dfead7f@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <4620405e-7d5c-a6e7-d8cc-e94e1230c03f@holgerdanske.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:23:50 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 124768160F X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.08 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.952,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.40)[ipnet: 184.104.0.0/15(0.85), asn: 6939(-2.80), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.995,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.62)[-0.619,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[27.128.105.184.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 20:24:02 -0000 On 7/26/19 12:34 PM, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On 26/07/2019 19:56, David Christensen wrote: >> On 7/26/19 9:57 AM, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: >>> >>> On 26/07/2019 17:11, David Christensen wrote: >>>> On 7/26/19 4:58 AM, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: >>>>> Over the past few months i've seen several boxes (4 or 5) become >>>>> unresponsive as a result of a Listen queue overflow state. >>>> >>>                  so doesn;t look like its load..... ( and that would >>> have shown up in the logs anyway) >> >> >> Is this server in production?  If so, it would be prudent to migrate >> services and data to another computer while you troubleshoot. >> >> > this has happened on 5 production boxes over the past few months, all > with different hardware and load profiles. Which tracks and versions of FreeBSD? Are you running stock FreeBSD? Packages? Ports? Custom? Do you have automation to detect the symptom(s) and alert you? >> I would turn on debugging and crank up logging everywhere -- kernel, >> ZFS, Apache, MySQL, PHP, WP, app code, etc..  Make sure you have a big >> and fast device/ virtual device for the logs and debug dumps. >> >> > thats  a big job  we run 110+ servers, i'd like to find something more > specific Pick a representative sample (say, 10%) and crank up debug/ logging. As you get clues, you can scale back depth and increase the sample size. >> Are the stress tests hitting the server with "good" traffic?  Can you >> send "bad" traffic? >> >> > no idea how to send bad traffic! Metasploit comes to mind. >> Do you have test suites for any of the components?  If so, run them. >> As you troubleshoot, write new test scripts. >> > components are not comparable across boxes, and one box that went down > has only our custom code ( which has worked for a decade) Did the other failing machines have your code? >> Can you capture real traffic and replay it -- preferably traffic that >> elicits the bug(s)? >> > the issue doesn;t seem to be that reproducible, i'l check but i think > only 1 of the boxes has gone down >1 times with same issue > > (i can't capture traffic on all boxes) Again, perhaps start with a sample. > I wish it was more reproducible, i'd downgrade that server down to 11.4 > in a heart beat ( i'm suspecting its 12.0 related) I prefer to use the most mature and supported "production" release of whatever FOSS I use -- BSD, Linux, whatever. Newer stuff usually has more "gremlins". Similarly, I prefer "vendor official" binary software packages. I have destabilized plenty of machines with unofficial packages and/or source distributions. > ( have see historic report of similar issues on imap boxes, which do > have large quues anyway obv) > > weirdly our imap boxes have been fine, and they have 10k connections all > the time. > > I sieged tested the box that went down earlier today (16C/32T, 128GB > RAM, 1Tb NVme) and it didn;t break sweat after 300,000 conections. > > am at a bit of a loss. Which tracks/ versions of FreeBSD are you running? Is there any correlation between FreeBSD track/ version and the bug(s)? Can you run 11.2-RELEASE? Are you running/ can you run official FreeBSD binary packages? Do you put your code into a FreeBSD package? Do you use configuration management? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 21:19:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C888A9A13 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 21:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36B1683739 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 21:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (unknown [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D25480C; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:18:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2UWKhR2N7d3X; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BBB484801; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: <6485e15869f8b205cf36811adaeed0e5.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:18:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Help:: Listen queue overflow killing servers From: "James B. Byrne" To: "David Christensen" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 36B1683739 X-Spamd-Bar: -------- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.47 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; RBL_COMPOSITE_RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED_DWL_DNSWL_LOW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[32.71.185.216.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx32.harte-lyne.ca,mx31.harte-lyne.ca]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; IP_SCORE(-3.77)[ip: (-9.90), ipnet: 216.185.64.0/20(-4.93), asn: 12021(-3.94), country: CA(-0.09)]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca.multi.uribl.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.4.1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.984,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 21:19:18 -0000 >>>>> On 7/26/19 4:58 AM, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: >>>>>> Over the past few months i've seen several boxes (4 or 5) become >>>>>> unresponsive as a result of a Listen queue overflow state. Since upgrading our hosts to 12.0 we have experienced many 'lockouts' of both bhyve vm guests and jails, all running on zfs. There are known issues with Bhyve guests getting into a deadlock state waiting on zio or encountering memory exhaustion in releases after FreeBSD-11.1. This has multiple causes: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=231117 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=187594 We have worked around this by restricting max ARC to the net of system memory minus all vm allocations minus 4GB. We also noted that as the capacity of zfs pools approached 80% the deadlock is encountered more frequently. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 22:02:46 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA2EAAC7C for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 22:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from outbound.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "outbound.ifdnrg.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA2CE85311 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 22:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from [192.168.0.210] (38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by outbound.ifdnrg.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x6QM2dto045892 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 23:02:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) X-Authentication-Warning: outbound.ifdnrg.com: Host 38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38] claimed to be [192.168.0.210] Subject: Re: Help:: Listen queue overflow killing servers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6485e15869f8b205cf36811adaeed0e5.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Paul Macdonald Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 23:02:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6485e15869f8b205cf36811adaeed0e5.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DA2CE85311 X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.65 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip4:193.200.98.0/23]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: as1.ifdnrg.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ifdnrg.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[ifdnrg.com,quarantine]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[22.98.200.193.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20860, ipnet:193.200.98.0/23, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RSPAMD_URIBL(4.50)[ifdnrg.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[ifdnrg.com:s=ifdnrg-default]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[ifdnrg.com.multi.uribl.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.44)[-0.438,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.34)[-0.342,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[ifdnrg.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.14)[0.136,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.09)[ipnet: 193.200.98.0/23(-4.63), asn: 20860(-0.75), country: GB(-0.08)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 22:02:46 -0000 On 26/07/2019 22:18, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > >>>>>> On 7/26/19 4:58 AM, Paul Macdonald via freebsd-questions wrote: >>>>>>> Over the past few months i've seen several boxes (4 or 5) become >>>>>>> unresponsive as a result of a Listen queue overflow state. > Since upgrading our hosts to 12.0 we have experienced many 'lockouts' > of both bhyve vm guests and jails, all running on zfs. There are > known issues with Bhyve guests getting into a deadlock state waiting > on zio or encountering memory exhaustion in releases after > FreeBSD-11.1. This has multiple causes: > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=231117 > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=187594 > > We have worked around this by restricting max ARC to the net of system > memory minus all vm allocations minus 4GB. We also noted that as the > capacity of zfs pools approached 80% the deadlock is encountered more > frequently. The ARC on the system that went down today was unbounded, and stupidly large  (60GB) but we had 30GB free so i didn't see harm, although i've now restricted. (now: Max of 10GB, currently 4GB wired, 118GB free.) We're totally aware of keeping ZFS below 80% utilisation, we've seen major performance cliffs if thats reached in the past. In this case we're at 2% utilisation on a new (<1 month) 1TB NVMe on PCI-e No bhyve, just 1 jail. This was a high spec box under no significant load, but now the fifth box in a few months thats crumpled under listen queue overflows Paul -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546 e: paul@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com ------------------------- IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA ---------------------------------------------------- Virtual Servers from £50.00pm High specification Dedicated Servers from £150.00pm ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 26 23:47:24 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8369DAC33C for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 23:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from allanjude@freebsd.org) Received: from mx1.scaleengine.net (mx1.scaleengine.net [209.51.186.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BD5F882B0 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 23:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from allanjude@freebsd.org) Received: from Allans-MacBook-Pro.local (c-73-231-39-102.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [73.231.39.102]) (Authenticated sender: allanjude.freebsd@scaleengine.com) by mx1.scaleengine.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B76AF2C11B; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 23:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IGNvbnNvbGUgc2hvd3Mgw6DDoMOgw6DDoMOgw6DDoMOgIG9uIHN0?= =?UTF-8?Q?artup_soon_after_starting_sshd_=26_cron?= To: Dave Cottlehuber , freebsd-questions References: From: Allan Jude Message-ID: <8330f6b8-b16c-abec-5791-fbf119f9deee@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:47:12 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2BD5F882B0 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:209.51.160.0/19, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 23:47:24 -0000 On 2019-07-26 9:07 a.m., Dave Cottlehuber wrote: > Anybody seen this before? Over ipmi, soon after ssh and other daemons start, with > normal text output, text is garbled: > > Mounting late filesystems:. > Starting sendmail_submit. > Configuring vt: blanktime. > Performing sanity check on sshd configuration. > Starting sshd. > Starting cron. > Starting backgroàààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààà > > is displayed on the console. > > Immediately after shutting the system down, normal text resumes. I'm guessing it > is some misconfiguration of some lconsole or terminal settings, but I have no idea > what that might be? > > A+ > Dave > I wonder if it is changing baud rates, as it shifts between the boot console and the getty? Although I thought IPMI SoL was supposed to 'just work' -- Allan Jude From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 27 02:48:19 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C42BAF201 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2019 02:48:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartzell@alerce.com) Received: from corvid.alerce.com (corvid.alerce.com [206.125.171.163]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F7FE8D9C6 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2019 02:48:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartzell@alerce.com) Received: from postfix.alerce.com (76-226-160-236.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.226.160.236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by corvid.alerce.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61F06334FF; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:48:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alerce.com; s=dkim; t=1564195690; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=MOB8J7gA1ldS9enCYkPx7YCN7zTL7chRc8Vq4AZGZjA=; b=wLT4r+rabCOHuI/HVjZcXOIvPTcyUfNa8vTedzETYRpplBGrYiRAtnfyD6I1U0LyHsxgFH smO9gjHDPAGgVx25R3lT99uNeMT4eeraYbi+0Q+k7gLoeB5mjrVkQYWsEsR6FfNrjKx2zb XaX5YJe7U0TUR37qbbaRA07ly73hjtT4TCSMYQqFvvV50CNi4NIAnBL4VXl/DQWI3QnH6s JPWaUGnzBR3H0jF5drQC9lXj9+ZQWxm0HL00IGmCTlgLgYJ7N50+FEdS95ibGITW+xe6tZ F6gEE0L12u13OmB+C/GR1TeSnjBUVuvc0etw9ScPyh6lY985z2raosAVGbTWbQ== Received: by postfix.alerce.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id C7DAD20104BCB0; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:48:09 -0700 (PDT) From: George Hartzell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <23867.47977.742960.179190@alice.local> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:48:09 -0700 To: David Mehler Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: freebsd, dovecot, and solr? 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I'm running freebsd and > dovecot, to which i'd like to add solr text search. I am stuck on xml > schema integration, if anyone has any notes i'd appreciate them. There's a nice blog post here https://www.c0ffee.net/blog/mail-server-guide/ that covers it. I grabbed some of the other bits for my server, but didn't set up SOLR. The rest of the post was nice and clean though! g. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 27 09:29:15 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FA3B4F43 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2019 09:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kab00m@lich.phys.spbu.ru) Received: from skeleton.phys.spbu.ru (skeleton.phys.spbu.ru [195.19.241.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC68472D30 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2019 09:29:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kab00m@lich.phys.spbu.ru) Received: from skeleton.phys.spbu.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by skeleton.phys.spbu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7685F902B4 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2019 12:29:02 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from kab00m@lich.phys.spbu.ru) Received: from [10.4.4.236] (unknown [91.108.27.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by skeleton.phys.spbu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31E37902A7 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2019 12:29:02 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from kab00m@lich.phys.spbu.ru) Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IGNvbnNvbGUgc2hvd3Mgw6DDoMOgw6DDoMOgw6DDoMOgIG9uIHN0?= =?UTF-8?Q?artup_soon_after_starting_sshd_=26_cron?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Dima Veselov Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 12:28:59 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: BC68472D30 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.12 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.24)[-0.245,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.85)[0.846,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[skeleton.phys.spbu.ru]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[spbu.ru]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.62)[0.624,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5495, ipnet:195.19.241.0/24, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[country: RU(0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 09:29:15 -0000 > Anybody seen this before? Over ipmi, soon after ssh and other daemons start, with > normal text output, text is garbled: > > Mounting late filesystems:. > Starting sendmail_submit. > Configuring vt: blanktime. > Performing sanity check on sshd configuration. > Starting sshd. > Starting cron. > Starting backgroàààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààà I guess you use console to serial redirection (set in BIOS) and you are connecting to IPMI via ssh or other network way. This setup is always working bad. The proper way is to have console redirection off (there are usually several choices like "off after POST" or so) and point both bootloader and FreeBSD to serial port. 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