From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 15 00:50:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781FA1DB43F for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 00:50:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: from lime.woodcruft.co.uk (woodcruft.co.uk [81.187.27.248]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47b5RK5thwz3R2g for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 00:50:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@woodcruft.co.uk) Received: by lime.woodcruft.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7164A13158C; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 00:50:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 00:50:20 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon Subject: Re: [off-topic] Re: I apologise ... Message-ID: <20191215005020.7bah32maj7rjjo6h@woodcruft.co.uk> Reply-To: Frank Shute Mail-Followup-To: Frank Shute , Ralf Mardorf , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon References: <3c7df19d6e93eb168016421df0ec54d5@kathe.in> <20191214111857.67b4c53e@archlinux> <20191214124809.9b205826.freebsd@edvax.de> <20191215000423.5d43ff86@archlinux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20191215000423.5d43ff86@archlinux> X-Organisation: 'Woodcruft Ltd.' User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47b5RK5thwz3R2g X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frank@woodcruft.co.uk designates 81.187.27.248 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frank@woodcruft.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[frank@woodcruft.co.uk]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[woodcruft.co.uk]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.70)[ipnet: 81.187.0.0/16(-4.72), asn: 20712(-3.70), country: GB(-0.08)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:81.187.0.0/16, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 00:50:22 -0000 On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 12:04:23AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 12:48:09 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > >FreeBSD should therefore be seen as a foundation, not as a "one size > >fits all egg-laying wool-milk-sow", which it isn't, and which _no_ OS, > >despite imaginable claims, is. To expect (!) something different than > >this fact is absolute nonsense. > > "I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I think > that any conscious entity can ever hope to do." - HAL 9000 > > AI{,O} is what users expect nowadays and it will come soon, most likely > with harmful secondary effects. My fear is that we wont get as far as seeing the secondary effects since the 'deus ex machina' is ourselves: "Three great powers rule the world: greed, fear, and stupidity." -- Mark Twain How do you fancy those 3 characteristics of humanity raised to the nth degree? Regards, -- Frank --* The Machine Stops.*-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 15 06:10:09 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01AB1E2F00 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic308-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic308-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47bDXJ53dTz4BgW for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: SnSUohkVM1nM.RAT0QtKMBjnoeIlhO9X.FRgjSc2WjWFx44F8lL3BN8aArIJHsM dlnG2H549s5lBOQAeCcH0agDFONy_wHOTS9MtXO7bMEM7UBP2APBtwq_wXRH26YbDLflQy8kazVX _rNzIh5i.czafZTLsHcCHYs3t7P5CEts8IPn0bWI2XjeWqWFjfUnLYV94f5Th3L6qCbjP77Hnpwm cXqFLxkNKONclTHC5Ow.72aKPSwAz0Eip1IUVMQTjZIGlgI4.P.iDJsQuXgQrWHDzsAeur4T7u_9 PyJMu5xiSqaInZNTHVtAN9in7WglyK.ZMpW7lkK.O2.Mm1IN84fE44WspshU8OLv7KKw.lGe3jra l08AcYgUHcRRr.U_dakQO5WMvVHTU5XMqRb4W24m2vDrv_K3ptOxJIThgMB2J2mkDS2H1cfWTIDN XilXjZzXTJsGld3kOPhNs4aeBiAYV2rnMGHQQbryWcpLkEhwPpo.zPmiFJQTRokYneQ5lPSfC0gP FnHXK.c.UmOFSjnb3Wxb86r3N.TEU15FzKkrYvi.U6Py_jnVv.5LLHViJtXpjEMUo9DXcQaSM7Y2 QXQnJMKX9Kwr.Ti6YlyyDnJtFmUROdlVgLGAUhGk9qy_nbH0K.DEDy7sy1mrnVqelADrBoFPULwB Gp3ODW5_KlixICY.JxFrgCs1CR2dRJLunO0Vn78BD3dbySLSCV1k0VCk5XlwvK7WxWOVyE62AsK_ grYpYVb2Jq7QjoGBtUfWTOYZjATMIqHfcrUOF88zWpiILnokbzQ77Or.N2vFVM2RkOTLJ6Q9EEGB Gj7jTj.pyf9nBjL21Btsvxc7wBTwxGvigsu9G2zlFql3A8EgfsiWGN.ACk29a8IOlDc5zS65Qerj cQ.1TulOSL4xAiQHxEBuQoS.xsfDymJ9yjjbCcCK20qmmonT_eYJwb4.zydIx3OUHtILmKDu_E3V 8lmCkF0KYe6Nnw55fCkUgxBQWqcvqDGil0g8BEU5BQBArrudm0rhu6JEMwgXLr1hCmC5LHrKX4Zk nKfL1GjGzzgYjlZmGQRyBAISIxxyIMyYa_OObzlmgj03hCFyBy8j.sswQkexxYsn6Q5odeh244FS G2913pDU10Fuv_7Mu8zOyy.N0S_OUqRNnVi2cDyYT7SAykwY_jYpSseJ7PL2wXxNXe0sj4kJ.Ntd jSlWU.tkfZboEUo80vKdJ7FNfobKOXiCVsrlmyJSGCvaqDBzXgtfAu7jl0XyMancxY.9tY0NUKs3 MWpwReVUrTA3.5LrddeDIzi.bWxpKSQPcLW7Hvgs._XlrtLdQDV6LsUc3ziTKILtp0d3y6I9A_ag izNwYLnPZU0eZ_Zj7OhcqSWyokZbhPxRRqqTvrzNpq6R.VFxycVFxBbTFrtQt7Fa8rP9k5z4p87_ 433N2TdkbbacVFDVucwDvrs8n81WM4EbEA4g- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:10:06 +0000 Received: by smtp414.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 161fc0c071b4f1e74c970f4b65d1ab98; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 07:10:18 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Frank Shute Subject: Re: [off-topic] Re: I apologise ... Message-ID: <20191215071018.1a5c75cb@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20191215005020.7bah32maj7rjjo6h@woodcruft.co.uk> References: <3c7df19d6e93eb168016421df0ec54d5@kathe.in> <20191214111857.67b4c53e@archlinux> <20191214124809.9b205826.freebsd@edvax.de> <20191215000423.5d43ff86@archlinux> <20191215005020.7bah32maj7rjjo6h@woodcruft.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47bDXJ53dTz4BgW X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.64 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.47)[-0.468,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.69)[-0.685,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[147.178.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[147.178.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (2.58), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.25), asn: 34010(1.78), country: GB(-0.08)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:10:09 -0000 On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 00:50:20 +0000, Frank Shute wrote: >On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 12:04:23AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf via >freebsd-questions wrote: >> >> On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 12:48:09 +0100, Polytropon wrote: =20 >> >FreeBSD should therefore be seen as a foundation, not as a "one size >> >fits all egg-laying wool-milk-sow", which it isn't, and which _no_ >> >OS, despite imaginable claims, is. To expect (!) something >> >different than this fact is absolute nonsense. =20 >>=20 >> "I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I >> think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do." - HAL 9000 >>=20 >> AI{,O} is what users expect nowadays and it will come soon, most >> likely with harmful secondary effects. =20 > > >My fear is that we wont get as far as seeing the secondary effects >since the 'deus ex machina' is ourselves: > >"Three great powers rule the world: greed, fear, and stupidity."=20 > > -- Mark Twain > >How do you fancy those 3 characteristics of humanity raised to the nth >degree? > > >Regards, > The German Wiki regarding transhumanism [ https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanismus ] shows a picture of Oscar Pistorius [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Pistorius#Murder_of_Reeva_Steenkamp ]. Assuming there will ever be a transhuman race based on implants, then in the future the transhuman master race most likely is allowed to kill or at least to assimilate humans, but they much likely are not allowed to kill other transhumans. Probably those transhumans have got a chip in their brain, that makes them follow the collective. IOW there will be no greed, fear or stupidity against the transhuman collective. Given that freethinkers never had a such an easy life as those who go with the flow, transhumans probably will generate pure envy and hate against freethinkers. Actually nowadays useful prosthetics from brain pacemaker to leg prosthesis is used by humans who suffer from a medical issue. Nowadays those who call them self transhumans are idiots with useless implants. Implants that at best allow to open a door in the same way we could open the same door with a RFID thingy on a key ring in our pants pockets or grotesque expansion of the senses, that actually are not new senses, but just freakish stimuli of already existing senses. In the near future I do not expect real transhumans. I even doubt that transhumans in the far future will use implants, I suspect genetically modified humans who don't need implants at all. In the near future I suspect AIO computers with AI that is able to recognise its purpose. It will configurate itself to a server, server farm, digital audio workstation or whatever else. However, misconfigurations will happen and probably run out of control.=20 --=20 =E2=80=9CAwards are merely the badges of mediocrity.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=95 Charles Ives=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 15 06:50:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84ADE1E3A99 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:50:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graahnul.grom@ya.ru) Received: from forward105p.mail.yandex.net (forward105p.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47bFRK0zcCz4D31 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:50:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graahnul.grom@ya.ru) Received: from forward100q.mail.yandex.net (forward100q.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0e:4b:0:640:4012:bb97]) by forward105p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 998644D40E1E for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:50:48 +0300 (MSK) Received: from mxback12q.mail.yandex.net (mxback12q.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0e:1b3:0:640:3818:d096]) by forward100q.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 94ED07080006 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:50:48 +0300 (MSK) Received: from vla1-bdd5685c3f79.qloud-c.yandex.net (vla1-bdd5685c3f79.qloud-c.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:c0d:4201:0:640:bdd5:685c]) by mxback12q.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id 7ZHPApk2Ek-om0i7Flc; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:50:48 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ya.ru; s=mail; t=1576392648; bh=SkWSTY6dX19DTa3uvYs1Yo+Tt81lXs7kWooBVt4rwWc=; h=In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:References:Date:Message-ID; b=eL7nWA9esclgKhI2H8/u6Avjg08lDX6lFgoZJ0pBGf6zC1c/xtWM44PPIysVmIZM3 KCabSJwowgBB8WriRkNzDpw7ohAglo55/cy+DEyeBKhM11cBkonL+OTW4qblXPeALm 1s2+cq6ZxHdZGcWSaHUgRiGOpgQ6k3iX9kaFBFis= Received: by vla1-bdd5685c3f79.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id Jpoa5W8UNw-olSiVS7W; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:50:48 +0300 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client certificate not present) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:50:45 +0300 From: dmn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building "Kleopatra" with debug symbols Message-ID: <20191215095045.50135056@demon> In-Reply-To: References: <20191214141334.00001fbf@seibercom.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47bFRK0zcCz4D31 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ya.ru header.s=mail header.b=eL7nWA9e; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ya.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of graahnul.grom@ya.ru designates 2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:108 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=graahnul.grom@ya.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ya.ru:s=mail]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a02:6b8:0:1000::/52]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[ya.ru]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ya.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ya.ru,none]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.58), ipnet: 2a02:6b8::/32(-4.69), asn: 13238(-3.78), country: RU(0.01)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[8.0.1.0.7.b.8.0.0.0.0.0.1.4.7.2.2.7.4.1.0.0.0.0.8.b.6.0.2.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:2a02:6b8::/32, country:RU]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[ya.ru] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:50:54 -0000 On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 20:55:36 +0100 (CET) Trond Endrest=C3=B8l wrote: > Option 1: >=20 > Create /usr/ports/security/kleopatra/Makefile.local, giving it this=20 > content: Is this Makefile.local stuff documented somewhere? >=20 > Option 2: >=20 > Add the aforementioned line to /etc/make.conf. Don't forget to remove=20 > or comment it out when you have rebuilt Kleopatra, otherwise all > ports will be built with debug symbols, leading to huge executables > all over /usr/local. You can add WITH_DEBUG_PORTS+=3Dsecurity/kleopatra to make.conf to turn on debugging symbols just for security/kleopatra port. Regards, Dmitry. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 15 06:53:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5F11E3D6C for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:53:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic308-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic308-19.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47bFTp2dTxz4DM3 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: GKXyIC0VM1nTioLJJ8c_FTQqCnDmunDEBP3660WbDXchCTw_hjv6M8MATE8ycGA EIxVOYU_0W9JrMrc50EpansDI07XMrfuJAlh55ASZZ01V4YXIuqNcCAOyG3jftXASQNADknL1M.J p_tRslBRHoRowRzeigq6rzA0JGYdSqf9bHak_cVn5W0D89ZdI8Fpuuke_tSqatp.fvDGs3ERFjew vBRNS71XwuMV9OJKydBUi5y7GKFuePacXej7g2_q0N02dFqa1KOMaSxdMhA5_jhhyKI4IeCarxBW Ha6rtOjbLmCs8tFNlaigYcMIbr3x69xvbR2keju6fdRjAuupSPmtGInto8AKA8Mlb8FKPbOBJben rWhjxP4jJieHKuXa1V37DCRp00GCS0gTAjopURnRitihmFhZGzvsQ_dL4bGvUyw8HZfLkKsdvRtH wPXmaA1vGG9SyRZXLk92mSiC_R89m.u7Wr7nmcDAihCjGqfArReDxdOZCKyO0VmjcmiUcXYXSzHD B72cP7tFyZ3BSVxgV.rOYI3.Nny7uaAL5RffKPjZZcXrlTCpPLhrXeF4N2wt9VxD8pCkkc_i7i7y EqwEGWeE1hj1oM1GR8BB7qCZt7ObCJ_.3GbwzzEHUQER0wqAiT5MoGnr7I1Nz2T73c649OpTOvyl 4zSxP3WibAWEbAzHP4KGgQlwjjClmB5nEvmLtxWTjJlSVYmXx.XzH3mg0eWZwZSpOAfc0zKWZ0LE eUAC1PpdZHp4JCeMykcK5Qk.J6Uo1R96fGliI5xAy7Lq65Oc2opHA3sUNtseieyg5JzdcCbr57ba 0Ri3RL8fgOErN39TGd5hkeHOEfOT0xW6UZDShmwgJBs7CQ0jcoMnVO3UJ1k..R03Eentg7VYFe5n h0igshwze4kmCr9YV9WKZY9X2j3NcToA33zRJ5aGUFKMLl71S8WbU3rUVe6DgSfMHP8CHyaBzqg0 RGBU1F4UB_50QLMqOoyATzs_m8D5qASyWRfqZIMvrcuA4H_rytTNULHJ6cuLVRrVO6O_UO5LX5EE Yq1rBM8VZ0T3bj_NzCYccK0ihFD67pLFORi4xRdkHQGvbkVdtSpUHXNx5eQy71LbfJ2_odXcYUI_ HxN_HD6yRR.7_yeEaj2lBDDdG80JG1ofMkPsw_78K7YrUTZo.J1YYSsFrPgnFFB9V2LgN.anjqGh FuYuOgzUGrLRaiuZdfBXj69FFI2gYdigons990qUNuxMJTACpPBqrRlmI4Gs1ALQIuvKQy85RzCt 3gpQcRDCu29kvTWrcSRwX8Zp6AoB_F32bJXjlcmJ9YGcxH9Bj8sju3W2e83a5nTaruOs9lHlqNkN UyMvS3GTRMYn5jOzKJPJK_fKw2uSXAJ_uVJWODHp69P3Vj3frjkZfJsBOk8A5iJbrMMc0__uODuf UXVoKoiJXY0yC Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:53:00 +0000 Received: by smtp404.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 85ea351a4aa295a0ee92dd3b6e01b3e6; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 07:53:10 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [off-topic] Re: I apologise ... Message-ID: <20191215075310.254537bd@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20191215071018.1a5c75cb@archlinux> References: <3c7df19d6e93eb168016421df0ec54d5@kathe.in> <20191214111857.67b4c53e@archlinux> <20191214124809.9b205826.freebsd@edvax.de> <20191215000423.5d43ff86@archlinux> <20191215005020.7bah32maj7rjjo6h@woodcruft.co.uk> <20191215071018.1a5c75cb@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47bFTp2dTxz4DM3 X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.52 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.37)[-0.374,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.65)[-0.654,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[147.178.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (2.48), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.25), asn: 34010(1.77), country: GB(-0.08)]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[147.178.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:53:03 -0000 >>How do you fancy those 3 characteristics of humanity raised to the nth >>degree? Maybe understanding, empathy and judiciousness will increase, too. If not, we will be just another died out so called "high civilization". The age of concrete, steel and silicon will end by hook or by crook, in the same way the Stone Age or Bronze Age ended. Either a new age will start for us or we will go the way of the dodo bird. I do not believe in transhumanism. It was a guess years ago, that time I used an C64 [ https://i.imgur.com/MsDSygL.jpg ] and Atari ST [ https://i.imgur.com/lx5pucp.jpg ] for audio production and the science fiction film "Blade Runner" assumed that Atari would become, what Google is nowadays. That time Joseph Weizenbaum still lived and I already agreed with his considerations. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 15 07:19:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABFB1E447E for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 07:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic313-22.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic313-22.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47bG436tZQz4F5p for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 07:19:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: zBj6gX0VM1mwfYM01zz9ozfJA1zYELIRslvOo.PwspD2asbeqgakPK4hc8KAHyZ osXP0qPSf9ZpoEM0S9ItGXnC1J1g5TUymF5MxqTSs4RAuAreFMwGUAraBo49M3kDFqYgVBar.0Xs xYfDGdvwsZiUZjim7A6KSqmUg_jp2i83HnvA1gJivpJbNuejIerQiR.xDy3abVPmM3G2vJyUDOoi mUkov_BA7qRzf2Ou0cTMlFjk0c4nkDHjgKR2vxhFYQtY5yYgyqPrP.lbQ3kC1X11oSWUvCfDWy68 SXLdWtcbljQckTfr_EPom6XVw4TOhoGeHFQmh9DTqTE5TMb1upSho7dDCZAxRmqR68CvemtG0r3U hGZTs37CsBvf1VMhcOdsRHyGP1DZqyMvKIv1Rl3iyi7gzWgnLU2qnU0tM01nSGWFtdPgCqX8iAAJ lJBxbfyQXj0YybCAmW9PQf8osET4vtF9.DrZC8TfRCE7Ksqpi3vS62ALRpw1SEEs1jIoU3VgMr96 oLMetk4okdwQVsi8a9CM5JuT1YZg4Vzd8zykJeN2Ox32AO1V7MU_mzdWVt9E2w4ePSIZBWrlzo2w aS53yMsdQUopBEDm8BXbZk4xVW_6p9bT1.FK7HaXVqqWgZDZ38TNvAKfhXNc8RZwPKk34HKQ5gwc Y1ni2lloztFfQm.JFxmxlVJWdGXHgKqCdFb.gEeBBsaQrO4h15PXab0V6Nr_..0JLGGS2TkMc.bR PcOBc5vGSfogmxUm5UzEUvQxNTw2.9USjq1uNTzplWg4Z6DpBTdcARcZ4xeJcuMpKwmr0WCxJ6RC L2jGtSoh3DEWHdnHZCzHMEBxT75FQDl3K7YSbxtFyARkfjm93UoWThNFnzHFBJHcMqVD3mk.Li.I 4ra6i3NJ9kQSR0NYlgfQDV7YquTli9ZoXiBP11UsknOgHAp_WmE0T3VFChkYIMJxqJtXMEpnHt96 pgQBcA5V2GJRSBOfU7r4YG.q1Ga7g7Oa3ng3iUSaQrBwMyAv_v9WS4005LyIGZH6qKM_SOclgZQh 0KNwK6El7d3tQpniYJBhSXoMCiAg1xIbjqQ0VCZxWHvR73M.tRbyCepn23ianTnYrG.IsCjuhTKK o6nxchObjERXIaGgsT2UsCvXcOcL5BK2PX7ebha605boph2gtUbRs6aLvD8szj7oZPfGUBWMbdRK x02xvDlKoRA6SUOZhvYhGVp9IA0fkNl3tDo6SYPdtK_C.vZfpFKJUP3HzHc6jOW_jc8FPPu0ytLN SX0mdS0kG6_RKqPrj72i34O0bkAWQ.pf_8xw96pv0Z5h6mt0vgLQ5.fa2X.nMEzHdH_lI93CpAYZ Gfq6z2wj_ZSPzxV4fxhFyRZpbz4y1qWp0xNcfTOGO2CH0IRSMy0CO4BAxxtY9yzsUYvCfSQKaE3C pujKJ1k7Lm9jyn77P_w-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic313.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 07:19:13 +0000 Received: by smtp413.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7b7f696c8ea62a14985e53718291c614; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 07:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 08:19:27 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [off-topic] Re: I apologise ... 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Regarding AI! I don't remember him mentioning transhumanism at all. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 15 08:22:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699FF1E60BE for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 08:22:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47bHSn05fLz4HX9 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 08:22:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (Ximalas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id xBF8M92n060326 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:22:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ximalas.info; s=default; t=1576398130; bh=NM3VRsIcsOBSORoi1El+wx7h+ICGlknR7LgFz697ly8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=mpKUUoU7wUzRPsmEagaw+THtmmF88e1NpBMebbG/qeylFfO1r38b8zN6hBw0xwGrx xYZvKHZ16TrsfWqCXhKj09cxMKLXRVr0HWBmSrcu4MO4f2gu4t/zmaIBNJaTLdr0V3 32GfISJyIVQljJGWQ/vJxSr7SrMAO/wVcwFI1JHgf4O5cnfVmBUuxWdGKj8uymD+wC kmPQ3wrnFUozByozw264DQyAgV8RUbEF01GUoJZ7XcIn4BoULxThLlgJEom8uEhmkD /GPA9En+DUZet4ISESJVzqY6ZMwHMosPh6iL0Oy87wPRLnnaEI/CP69cYwAzJmu6l9 aFi0gFa5ziYHA== Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id xBF8M9dO060315 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:22:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) X-Authentication-Warning: enterprise.ximalas.info: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:22:09 +0100 (CET) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@ximalas.info To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building "Kleopatra" with debug symbols In-Reply-To: <20191215095045.50135056@demon> Message-ID: References: <20191214141334.00001fbf@seibercom.net> <20191215095045.50135056@demon> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.99999 (BSF 352 2019-06-22) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on enterprise.ximalas.info X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47bHSn05fLz4HX9 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ximalas.info header.s=default header.b=mpKUUoU7; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ximalas.info; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of trond.endrestol@ximalas.info designates 2001:700:1100:1::8 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=trond.endrestol@ximalas.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.90 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ximalas.info:s=default]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ximalas.info:+]; CTYPE_MIXED_BOGUS(1.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ximalas.info,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:224, ipnet:2001:700::/32, country:NO]; IP_SCORE(-1.90)[ip: (-7.70), ipnet: 2001:700::/32(-1.13), asn: 224(-0.67), country: NO(-0.01)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 08:22:18 -0000 On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:50+0300, dmn wrote: > On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 20:55:36 +0100 (CET) > Trond Endrestøl wrote: > > > Option 1: > > > > Create /usr/ports/security/kleopatra/Makefile.local, giving it this > > content: > > Is this Makefile.local stuff documented somewhere? See Mk/bsd.ports.mk. > > Option 2: > > > > Add the aforementioned line to /etc/make.conf. Don't forget to remove > > or comment it out when you have rebuilt Kleopatra, otherwise all > > ports will be built with debug symbols, leading to huge executables > > all over /usr/local. > > You can add WITH_DEBUG_PORTS+=security/kleopatra to make.conf to turn > on debugging symbols just for security/kleopatra port. Cool, I didn't know that. I better learn myself some new tricks. -- Trond. 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It's Mk/bsd.port.mk. My bad. -- Trond. 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Seibert" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building "Kleopatra" with debug symbols Message-ID: <20191215052931.76ba2cb9@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20191215095045.50135056@demon> References: <20191214141334.00001fbf@seibercom.net> <20191215095045.50135056@demon> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/7FAFGwQ4/I+g++C_kiyl+N5"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47bLHy0f5jz4NtX X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=cQBclBPU; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.07 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-0.83)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.20), asn: 15169(-1.91), country: US(-0.05)]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 10:29:51 -0000 --Sig_/7FAFGwQ4/I+g++C_kiyl+N5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:50:45 +0300, dmn stated: //truncated// >You can add WITH_DEBUG_PORTS+=3Dsecurity/kleopatra to make.conf to turn >on debugging symbols just for security/kleopatra port. A) I did not know that. I never saw it documented either; although, it obviously must be somewhere. B) Will that work in the "/usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf" file? --=20 Jerry --Sig_/7FAFGwQ4/I+g++C_kiyl+N5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl32CwsACgkQOHMGOIfe xWTouwgAyUcA2w3tDKpzhpthA5d6PSmjL/euUcyO1Sy0E6w1yqxZLGZflYeL+vKw xnePv9YLtUDtkw2tanMP1G1sivvy01eFy2bym3ddXgMJSyfm8aJ6B5636bCn15x6 qFQvat0DJWK0WohQJ01jOvz49LK540oS6i1CMb8IqwsUIsENzz3hwM/3vxAMaLW9 g6gxDZNDGEClWIub8pyy9MWebIkIC56j0ujdwZyhulUxyE3RHhZTHdNjN7Vp3OpK LWnZ+mZ6iw+Ly7txm0dwhUmQdjTvd+U1DoV8ArCR1Q49MgllihjQj07EQ0y/IZRo Y8G4roUFa1FvwLZUQlcq9iPHX8+DdQ== =EsZS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/7FAFGwQ4/I+g++C_kiyl+N5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 15 11:21:10 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E062B1EA0C1 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 11:21:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47bMRB4fYsz4RNQ for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 11:21:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (Ximalas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id xBFBL29p005150 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:21:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ximalas.info; s=default; t=1576408862; bh=HpAWFycsMRfohX52riC2cFp6APRTHk6DuuTcnicDn80=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=pH1SLoNaiZpwKuwOYRZcJ42ld6GsvBVPGrfFw9iy5YZBwoy7F8FwZMUUBY3TK74uq VeQrSDpxixBKIf9Qi5wOvNo1+kYiwSy0tCYo4szUTyPQIB9V05UGxi5aMHr3PPLoJd 07bv3Ag4c61GmdZ+tl9UZ0+PdRqOJLa7D6yNh2F5TxW8jpk8xXDer9+mKoPIgqPRua tgw6VJddmN4w1kMX3AO0xpG1CEAViI8S5ir9ip2mqaaowJ5u4x07TmGhj0NqWslZbm 4pEZPmHR6rFYoS+RbYHLQOCsmCMHAqreDlEh4mGfdY1SkMINoZgM/HhKzecPQGQQ24 iK9rzDkku3cGw== Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id xBFBL1Xa005147 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:21:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) X-Authentication-Warning: enterprise.ximalas.info: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:21:01 +0100 (CET) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@ximalas.info To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building "Kleopatra" with debug symbols In-Reply-To: <20191215052931.76ba2cb9@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <20191214141334.00001fbf@seibercom.net> <20191215095045.50135056@demon> <20191215052931.76ba2cb9@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.99999 (BSF 352 2019-06-22) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on enterprise.ximalas.info X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47bMRB4fYsz4RNQ X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 11:21:10 -0000 On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 05:29-0500, Gerard E. Seibert wrote: > On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:50:45 +0300, dmn stated: > > >You can add WITH_DEBUG_PORTS+=security/kleopatra to make.conf to turn > >on debugging symbols just for security/kleopatra port. > > A) I did not know that. I never saw it documented either; although, it > obviously must be somewhere. See ports(7), section MAKE VARIABLES. > B) Will that work in the "/usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf" file? Assuming the above make.conf is presented as /etc/make.conf during the building of packages, then yes. I guess it's similar to /usr/local/etc/synth/-make.conf, e.g. /usr/local/etc/synth/LiveSystem-make.conf. -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 15 12:07:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1B21EB922 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:07:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47bNSm6VZVz4TSX for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:07:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mayuresh@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:mayuresh@sdf.lonestar.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id xBFC7ZKk029091 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:07:35 GMT Received: (from mayuresh@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id xBFC7ZHx020276 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:07:35 GMT Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:07:35 GMT From: Mayuresh Kathe Message-Id: <201912151207.xBFC7ZHx020276@sdf.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: causal profiling! 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n3sm4896392qkn.105.2019.12.15.04.57.49 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 15 Dec 2019 04:57:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47bPZh6PS4z1VNr for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 07:57:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 07:57:41 -0500 From: "Gerard E. Seibert" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Why does poudriere insist on rebuilding the same packages over and over Message-ID: <20191215075741.5df439b4@scorpio> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/tc0RF/MLtrxDXnIa1odp4DZ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47bPZm1qqZz4WR6 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=lN5Utnl0; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::733 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.78 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.68)[ip: (-9.23), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.20), asn: 15169(-1.91), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:57:53 -0000 --Sig_/tc0RF/MLtrxDXnIa1odp4DZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is probably a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. Why does 'poudriere' insist on rebuild the same package, over and over, when there has been no change. EXAMPLE: This morning I decided to install /usr/ports/x11/xscreensaver. Poudriere insisted on rebuilding hundreds of ports, including "ports-mgmt/pkg", even though they had not changed. I had just updated the ports tree with poudriere and updated all of the files on my system. There was no reason to rebuild all of the existing files. It seems that the "ports-mgmt/pkg" file is rebuild every time poudriere runs. Is there a configuration setting to stop? It wastes a lot of time and resources to continually rebuild everything. NOTE: I made on change on an installed port the other day, and poudriere insisted on rebuild 1039 ports. 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2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 14:37:42 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --eQBrEspgD2WGqPd1BWgQTE4i4wxhz5fUt Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="DcgxuHJHlmcK48zGzb5wn1VS3zFBtZrJw" --DcgxuHJHlmcK48zGzb5wn1VS3zFBtZrJw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15/12/2019 12:57, Gerard E. Seibert wrote: > This is probably a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. Why does > 'poudriere' insist on rebuild the same package, over and over, when > there has been no change. >=20 > EXAMPLE: >=20 > This morning I decided to install /usr/ports/x11/xscreensaver. > Poudriere insisted on rebuilding hundreds of ports, > including "ports-mgmt/pkg", even though they had not changed. I had > just updated the ports tree with poudriere and updated all of the files= > on my system. There was no reason to rebuild all of the existing files.= > It seems that the "ports-mgmt/pkg" file is rebuild every time poudriere= > runs. >=20 > Is there a configuration setting to stop? It wastes a lot of time and > resources to continually rebuild everything. >=20 > NOTE: >=20 > I made on change on an installed port the other day, and poudriere > insisted on rebuild 1039 ports. That is just crazy. That's not normal. poudriere shouldn't need to rebuild as much as that -- and anything it does rebuild it will print out the reason why. In particular, seeing pkg(8) continually being rebuilt without good reason is a sign of something gone awry. Off-hand I can think of three reasons off hand why poudriere might want to rebuild /every/ package: 1) You updated the poudriere jail -- that is, you ran poudriere jail -j yourjail -u or similar, so that you updated the OS within your jail. poudriere will rebuild all packages when the underlying jail gets updated. Just updating a ports tree wouldn't have this effect. In many cases, you don't need to always apply every available update to your poudriere jails straight away. poudriere jails are relatively inexposed to attack, and typically the packages you build will not be affected at all by any vulerabilities in software within the build jail. Just keep your host system scrupulously up to date and you'll be fine. The biggest exception to this rule are packages that install statically linked binaries on occasions where there is a vulnerability in one of the system libraries. Thankfully that combination is pretty rare. 2) You're giving 'poudriere bulk' the '-c' flag, which says to clean and rebuild everything. This is just poudriere doing what you tell it to. 3) Your system clock is doing weird things, and poudriere is getting confused because it can't tell what time it is. 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e64sm5954614qtd.45.2019.12.15.11.25.27 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 15 Dec 2019 11:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (HP-ENVY [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47bZ9y2Cthz4QmB for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 14:25:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 14:25:18 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why does poudriere insist on rebuilding the same packages over and over Message-ID: <20191215142518.000002c9@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <2f765131-c56f-f963-2f28-22d71e857ab8@FreeBSD.org> References: <20191215075741.5df439b4@scorpio> <2f765131-c56f-f963-2f28-22d71e857ab8@FreeBSD.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/OdsNriTw32JSHF182r4Y0yB"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47bZB24qsSz3M22 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=bfhv55e4; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.43 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.83)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.20), asn: 15169(-1.91), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 19:25:32 -0000 --Sig_/OdsNriTw32JSHF182r4Y0yB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 14:37:39 +0000, Matthew Seaman commented: >On 15/12/2019 12:57, Gerard E. Seibert wrote: >> This is probably a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. Why does >> 'poudriere' insist on rebuild the same package, over and over, when >> there has been no change. >>=20 >> EXAMPLE: >>=20 >> This morning I decided to install /usr/ports/x11/xscreensaver. >> Poudriere insisted on rebuilding hundreds of ports, >> including "ports-mgmt/pkg", even though they had not changed. I had >> just updated the ports tree with poudriere and updated all of the >> files on my system. There was no reason to rebuild all of the >> existing files. It seems that the "ports-mgmt/pkg" file is rebuild >> every time poudriere runs. >>=20 >> Is there a configuration setting to stop? It wastes a lot of time and >> resources to continually rebuild everything. >>=20 >> NOTE: >>=20 >> I made on change on an installed port the other day, and poudriere >> insisted on rebuild 1039 ports. That is just crazy. =20 > >That's not normal. poudriere shouldn't need to rebuild as much as that >-- and anything it does rebuild it will print out the reason why. In >particular, seeing pkg(8) continually being rebuilt without good reason >is a sign of something gone awry. > >Off-hand I can think of three reasons off hand why poudriere might want >to rebuild /every/ package: > > 1) You updated the poudriere jail -- that is, you ran > > poudriere jail -j yourjail -u > > or similar, so that you updated the OS within your jail. > poudriere will rebuild all packages when the underlying jail gets > updated. Just updating a ports tree wouldn't have this effect. > > In many cases, you don't need to always apply every available > update to your poudriere jails straight away. poudriere jails > are relatively inexposed to attack, and typically the packages you > build will not be affected at all by any vulerabilities in > software within the build jail. Just keep your host system > scrupulously up to date and you'll be fine. > > The biggest exception to this rule are packages that install > statically linked binaries on occasions where there is a > vulnerability in one of the system libraries. Thankfully that > combination is pretty rare. > > 2) You're giving 'poudriere bulk' the '-c' flag, which says to clean > and rebuild everything. This is just poudriere doing what you > tell it to. > > 3) Your system clock is doing weird things, and poudriere is getting > confused because it can't tell what time it is. > > > Cheers, > > Matthew I created a script file to handle the formating of the poudriere command line. Regarding # 2, I found I did have a "-c" in the line. I am not sure why I put it there. I removed it. Would a "-C" make any difference? In any case, I will try it out the next time the ports tree is updated or I need to install a new file. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 15 23:18:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B691D1FE9 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 23:18:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47bgMD2Wcqz44xR for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 23:18:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 547DA1D1FE6; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 23:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5441E1D1FE5 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 23:18:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd35.google.com (mail-io1-xd35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47bgMC2PlWz44xP for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 23:18:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd35.google.com with SMTP id c16so5007453ioo.8 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:18:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ucd1OigzBiDSX98+XA2E1dFI9SnyYV+8Z77t3YEPT0A=; b=Hha+JDpWm0aO3SrKHhnw6+cUdZfdvpeyrbXd7ME8N4VRR50pcjvj484g/npsbRyghU UtdkUUUraGpqiHGVfeFYOg6IymzSR45wxOHthAcR4H+oO57pxYQF36QCEhlZ5iM51uAn cGpHnyV5uHDvueKeWWT20UUDQW0inTPyMFnO4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ucd1OigzBiDSX98+XA2E1dFI9SnyYV+8Z77t3YEPT0A=; b=A1svE12BVn9XV15uzG2/MogWx1fFFqDb1kOZlS0K9SNNglUaTwuwssadGp07kNNkiV NImXS8g/UjGd7ExB2eHiXuqh/0XWmajOWuwlmiXdSvo7LhZYeyzSp6iDnLeP7w5Yj6TC 1ljS/7cAmN4bnluHSQLpMt+x+1Mp+X8yrltlufl3gI0LZ2wa+mvp9e/CRefCvhIjnPEA 16PUVzydI7J8T0xOctgbhdprrTyWunslJ3wHtMiQj1YRffW6ZZkVg+EgDRGw+vJce3Gx 2TJIKr9yG04ICMpu6pg7q9OnlND07N97TIi/DphCaziYNzInCPNJWykfn14pNH+Sxobu Aw0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXqr+OfeqIkh6Pdk7ZNzhw+nzkvcSJgzPDSKOZxYDelCu53T5dA HWrRNm+Wy9UvfvcBKQRKi6taphf3sVIzBOtXjloMuw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxR4PphrMIJlzac2eULpE89GrCQBt1d5C6LVhyIIbRklKyJAA2GKDbStwr2kC2AjiPI+QJhjCxgHssP+Kjamvg= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:b846:: with SMTP id i67mr15275687iof.124.1576451926051; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:18:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Eitan Adler Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 15:18:19 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: binutils linker errors To: FreeBSD Ports , questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47bgMC2PlWz44xP X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=eitanadler.com header.s=0xdeadbeef header.b=Hha+JDpW; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lists@eitanadler.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lists@eitanadler.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[eitanadler.com:s=0xdeadbeef]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[eitanadler.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[eitanadler.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.15)[ip: (-6.59), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.20), asn: 15169(-1.91), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 23:18:48 -0000 FWIW I still have this problem. Is this a known issue or should I be properly debugging this? On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 at 23:56, Eitan Adler wrote: > > When compiling devel/binutils I get the following error. What am I > missing or is it a known bug? > > [00:00:34] ld: error: undefined symbol: bswap_identity_64 > [00:00:34] >>> referenced by ctf-archive.c:112 > [00:00:34] >>> ctf-archive.o:(ctf_arc_write) in archive > ../libctf/libctf.a > [00:00:34] > [00:00:34] ld: error: undefined symbol: bswap_identity_64 > [00:00:34] >>> referenced by ctf-archive.c:113 > [00:00:34] >>> ctf-archive.o:(ctf_arc_write) in archive > ../libctf/libctf.a > [00:00:34] > > Command: > =E2=88=B4sudo poudriere bulk -j amd64-matches-host -p development devel/b= inutils > > Debug info > =E2=88=B4poudriere version > 3.3.99.20190828 > =E2=88=B4pkg -v > 1.12.0 > =E2=88=B4freebsd-version -kru > 12.1-RELEASE > 12.1-RELEASE > 12.1-RELEASE > =E2=88=B4uname -a > FreeBSD fasteagle 12.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE r354802 EADLER amd64 > =E2=88=B4clang --version > 'FreeBSD clang version 8.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_801/final 366581) (based on > LLVM 8.0.1) > Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd12.1 > Thread model: posix > InstalledDir: /usr/bin > > > -- > Eitan Adler --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 16 07:13:14 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B671DB6F5 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 07:13:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47bstf09lnz4SKG for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 07:13:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 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<7e08dca3-d576-66ce-1e1c-6fc92df27963@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 07:13:07 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191215142518.000002c9@seibercom.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BnAU5bMGaayHBGoOVpP8JUKBWZq6TZ03q" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 07:13:14 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --BnAU5bMGaayHBGoOVpP8JUKBWZq6TZ03q Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="HbDHHebaokmyh7QsPQl9qSIUi4eraVQ7v" --HbDHHebaokmyh7QsPQl9qSIUi4eraVQ7v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15/12/2019 19:25, Jerry wrote: > I created a script file to handle the formating of the poudriere > command line. Regarding # 2, I found I did have a "-c" in the line. I a= m > not sure why I put it there. I removed it. Would a "-C" make any > difference? In any case, I will try it out the next time the ports tree= > is updated or I need to install a new file. You probably don't want '-C' either -- this forces poudriere to rebuild all of the ports named on the command line or in its input file. Normally you'ld just have a list of ports that you want in your repository and let poudriere work out whether any of them need to be rebuilt. 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b191sm5861132qkg.43.2019.12.16.02.06.31 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 16 Dec 2019 02:06:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (HP-ENVY [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47bxkZ4Cygz3wxs for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 05:06:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 05:06:28 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why does poudriere insist on rebuilding the same packages over and over Message-ID: <20191216050628.000029f4@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <7e08dca3-d576-66ce-1e1c-6fc92df27963@FreeBSD.org> References: <20191215075741.5df439b4@scorpio> <2f765131-c56f-f963-2f28-22d71e857ab8@FreeBSD.org> <20191215142518.000002c9@seibercom.net> <7e08dca3-d576-66ce-1e1c-6fc92df27963@FreeBSD.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47bxkk5Q0Yz4cQT X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=MmoMeZqW; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.67 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.83)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.19), asn: 15169(-1.90), country: US(-0.05)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 10:06:40 -0000 On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 07:13:07 +0000, Matthew Seaman commented: >On 15/12/2019 19:25, Jerry wrote: >> I created a script file to handle the formating of the poudriere >> command line. Regarding # 2, I found I did have a "-c" in the line. >> I am not sure why I put it there. I removed it. Would a "-C" make any >> difference? In any case, I will try it out the next time the ports >> tree is updated or I need to install a new file. > >You probably don't want '-C' either -- this forces poudriere to rebuild >all of the ports named on the command line or in its input file. >Normally you'ld just have a list of ports that you want in your >repository and let poudriere work out whether any of them need to be >rebuilt. > > Cheers, > > Matthew Thank you, Matthew. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 17 17:59:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB6F1EDF82 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 17:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vikashb@where-ever.za.net) Received: from mail.where-ever.net (mail.where-ever.net [196.26.208.224]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.where-ever.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47cm9X2g2xz4bWX for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 17:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vikashb@where-ever.za.net) Received: from l5580.where-ever.za.net (196-209-218-4.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.209.218.4]) by mail.where-ever.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 14fec6ce (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 19:59:08 +0200 (SAST) Subject: sysutils/logstash6 fails to start as logstash user References: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Vikashb Badal X-Forwarded-Message-Id: Message-ID: <32826b5d-0b5b-8044-1177-c742891456b7@where-ever.za.net> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 19:59:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4AFEC89FAF73367F232AAC16" Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47cm9X2g2xz4bWX X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vikashb@where-ever.za.net has no SPF policy when checking 196.26.208.224) smtp.mailfrom=vikashb@where-ever.za.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.41 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[4.218.209.196.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.61)[asn: 3741(3.03), country: ZA(0.00)]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.92)[0.923,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[where-ever.za.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.98)[0.982,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~,3:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3741, ipnet:196.26.0.0/16, country:ZA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 17:59:13 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4AFEC89FAF73367F232AAC16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit on a fresh install of freebsd 12.1 service logstash start does not start or produce any logs, i have used the defaults in /usr/local/etc/logstash running the command ( from rc.d/logstash): su -m logstash -c '/usr/local/logstash/bin/logstash --path.settings /usr/local/etc/logstash -l /var/log/logstash' [ERROR] 2019-12-17 18:41:12.279 [main] Logstash - java.lang.IllegalStateException: Logstash stopped processing because of an error: (ArgumentError) could not find a temporary directory if i run as root: /usr/local/logstash/bin/logstash --path.settings /usr/local/etc/logstash -l /var/log/logstash logstash starts up from several google searches, https://github.com/elastic/logstash/issues/10714 looked promising, how ever i am unable to start logstash i have checked /tmp and the noexec is off root@elk-01:/usr/local/etc # zfs get all zroot/root/tmp NAME            PROPERTY              VALUE                  SOURCE zroot/root/tmp  type                  filesystem             - zroot/root/tmp  creation              Thu Dec 12 11:16 2019  - zroot/root/tmp  used                  952K                   - zroot/root/tmp  available             108G                   - zroot/root/tmp  referenced            952K                   - zroot/root/tmp  compressratio         1.00x                  - zroot/root/tmp  mounted               yes                    - zroot/root/tmp  quota                 none                   default zroot/root/tmp  reservation           none                   default zroot/root/tmp  recordsize            128K                   default zroot/root/tmp  mountpoint            /tmp                   inherited from zroot/root zroot/root/tmp  sharenfs              off                    default zroot/root/tmp  checksum              on                     default zroot/root/tmp  compression           off                    default zroot/root/tmp  atime                 on                     default zroot/root/tmp  devices               on                     default zroot/root/tmp  exec                  on                     default zroot/root/tmp  setuid                on                     default zroot/root/tmp  readonly              off                    default zroot/root/tmp  jailed                off                    default zroot/root/tmp  snapdir               hidden                 default zroot/root/tmp  aclmode               discard                default zroot/root/tmp  aclinherit            restricted             default zroot/root/tmp  createtxg             11                     - zroot/root/tmp  canmount              on                     default zroot/root/tmp  xattr                 off                    temporary zroot/root/tmp  copies                1                      default zroot/root/tmp  version               5                      - zroot/root/tmp  utf8only              off                    - zroot/root/tmp  normalization         none                   - zroot/root/tmp  casesensitivity       sensitive              - zroot/root/tmp  vscan                 off                    default zroot/root/tmp  nbmand                off                    default zroot/root/tmp  sharesmb              off                    default zroot/root/tmp  refquota              none                   default zroot/root/tmp  refreservation        none                   default zroot/root/tmp  guid                  15516683446707309425   - zroot/root/tmp  primarycache          all                    default zroot/root/tmp  secondarycache        all                    default zroot/root/tmp  usedbysnapshots       0                      - zroot/root/tmp  usedbydataset         952K                   - zroot/root/tmp  usedbychildren        0                      - zroot/root/tmp  usedbyrefreservation  0                      - zroot/root/tmp  logbias               latency                default zroot/root/tmp  dedup                 off                    default zroot/root/tmp  mlslabel                                     - zroot/root/tmp  sync                  standard               default zroot/root/tmp  dnodesize             legacy                 default zroot/root/tmp  refcompressratio      1.00x                  - zroot/root/tmp  written               952K                   - zroot/root/tmp  logicalused           934K                   - zroot/root/tmp  logicalreferenced     934K                   - zroot/root/tmp  volmode               default                default zroot/root/tmp  filesystem_limit      none                   default zroot/root/tmp  snapshot_limit        none                   default zroot/root/tmp  filesystem_count      none                   default zroot/root/tmp  snapshot_count        none                   default zroot/root/tmp  redundant_metadata    all                    default if i execute ./logstash-plugin update in /usr/local/logstash/bin i get this error: Error ArgumentError, retrying 1/10 could not find a temporary directory pkg info logstash6 logstash6-6.8.5 Name           : logstash6 Version        : 6.8.5 please advise thanks Vikash --------------4AFEC89FAF73367F232AAC16 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="ForwardedMessage.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ForwardedMessage.eml" Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51FF1ED632 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 17:36:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vikashb@where-ever.za.net) Received: from mail.where-ever.net (mail.where-ever.net [196.26.208.224]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.where-ever.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47clfp2RDrz4ZQr for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 17:36:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vikashb@where-ever.za.net) Received: from l5580.where-ever.za.net (196-209-218-4.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.209.218.4]) by mail.where-ever.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 9fcde0e9 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 19:35:51 +0200 (SAST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Vikashb Badal Subject: sysutils/logstash6 fails to start as logstash user Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 19:35:50 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47clfp2RDrz4ZQr X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vikashb@where-ever.za.net has no SPF policy when checking 196.26.208.224) smtp.mailfrom=vikashb@where-ever.za.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.36 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[4.218.209.196.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.61)[asn: 3741(3.05), country: ZA(0.00)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.88)[0.877,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[where-ever.za.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.98)[0.977,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3741, ipnet:196.26.0.0/16, country:ZA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] on a fresh install of freebsd 12.1 service logstash start does not start or produce any logs, i have used the defaults in /usr/local/etc/logstash running the command: su -m logstash -c '/usr/local/logstash/bin/logstash --path.settings /usr/local/etc/logstash -l /var/log/logstash' [ERROR] 2019-12-17 18:41:12.279 [main] Logstash - java.lang.IllegalStateException: Logstash stopped processing because of an error: (ArgumentError) could not find a temporary directory if i run as root: /usr/local/logstash/bin/logstash --path.settings /usr/local/etc/logstash -l /var/log/logstash logstash starts up from several google searches, https://github.com/elastic/logstash/issues/10714 looked promising, how ever i am unable to start logstash i have checked /tmp and the noexec is off root@elk-01:/usr/local/etc # zfs get all zroot/root/tmp NAME            PROPERTY              VALUE                  SOURCE zroot/root/tmp  type                  filesystem             - zroot/root/tmp  creation              Thu Dec 12 11:16 2019  - zroot/root/tmp  used                  952K                   - zroot/root/tmp  available             108G                   - zroot/root/tmp  referenced            952K                   - zroot/root/tmp  compressratio         1.00x                  - zroot/root/tmp  mounted               yes                    - zroot/root/tmp  quota                 none                   default zroot/root/tmp  reservation           none                   default zroot/root/tmp  recordsize            128K                   default zroot/root/tmp  mountpoint            /tmp                   inherited from zroot/root zroot/root/tmp  sharenfs              off                    default zroot/root/tmp  checksum              on                     default zroot/root/tmp  compression           off                    default zroot/root/tmp  atime                 on                     default zroot/root/tmp  devices               on                     default zroot/root/tmp  exec                  on                     default zroot/root/tmp  setuid                on                     default zroot/root/tmp  readonly              off                    default zroot/root/tmp  jailed                off                    default zroot/root/tmp  snapdir               hidden                 default zroot/root/tmp  aclmode               discard                default zroot/root/tmp  aclinherit            restricted             default zroot/root/tmp  createtxg             11                     - zroot/root/tmp  canmount              on                     default zroot/root/tmp  xattr                 off                    temporary zroot/root/tmp  copies                1                      default zroot/root/tmp  version               5                      - zroot/root/tmp  utf8only              off                    - zroot/root/tmp  normalization         none                   - zroot/root/tmp  casesensitivity       sensitive              - zroot/root/tmp  vscan                 off                    default zroot/root/tmp  nbmand                off                    default zroot/root/tmp  sharesmb              off                    default zroot/root/tmp  refquota              none                   default zroot/root/tmp  refreservation        none                   default zroot/root/tmp  guid                  15516683446707309425   - zroot/root/tmp  primarycache          all                    default zroot/root/tmp  secondarycache        all                    default zroot/root/tmp  usedbysnapshots       0                      - zroot/root/tmp  usedbydataset         952K                   - zroot/root/tmp  usedbychildren        0                      - zroot/root/tmp  usedbyrefreservation  0                      - zroot/root/tmp  logbias               latency                default zroot/root/tmp  dedup                 off                    default zroot/root/tmp  mlslabel                                     - zroot/root/tmp  sync                  standard               default zroot/root/tmp  dnodesize             legacy                 default zroot/root/tmp  refcompressratio      1.00x                  - zroot/root/tmp  written               952K                   - zroot/root/tmp  logicalused           934K                   - zroot/root/tmp  logicalreferenced     934K                   - zroot/root/tmp  volmode               default                default zroot/root/tmp  filesystem_limit      none                   default zroot/root/tmp  snapshot_limit        none                   default zroot/root/tmp  filesystem_count      none                   default zroot/root/tmp  snapshot_count        none                   default zroot/root/tmp  redundant_metadata    all                    default if i execute ./logstash-plugin update in /usr/local/logstash/bin i get this error: Error ArgumentError, retrying 1/10 could not find a temporary directory pkg info logstash6 logstash6-6.8.5 Name           : logstash6 Version        : 6.8.5 please advise thanks Vikash --------------4AFEC89FAF73367F232AAC16-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 17 23:08:41 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FB81CCCD0 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 23:08:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47cv2c6cQ8z3PHK for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 23:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@dismail.de) Received: from dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f4522ab9 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 00:08:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2.dismail.de (10.240.26.12 [10.240.26.12]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f7413f44 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 00:08:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 9970c361 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 00:08:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 45c6b892 (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 00:08:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 18:08:31 -0500 From: To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: portmaster - python Message-ID: <20191217180831.377c6628@dismail.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47cv2c6cQ8z3PHK X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.28 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[dismail.de.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(-2.18)[ip: (-9.91), ipnet: 78.46.0.0/15(0.56), asn: 24940(-1.55), country: DE(-0.02)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[134.223.46.78.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 23:08:42 -0000 Hi! I try to update ports today with portmaster as usual and I got: =3D=3D=3D>>> The following actions will be taken if you choose to proceed: Upgrade py36-pyrsistent-0.14.11 to py36-pyrsistent-0.14.11_1 Upgrade drm-legacy-kmod-g20191030 to drm-legacy-kmod-g20191217 Upgrade rust-cbindgen-0.11.1 to rust-cbindgen-0.12.0 =3D=3D=3D>>> Proceed? y/n [y] y =3D=3D=3D>>> Starting build for ports that need updating <<<=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D>>> Launching child to install devel/py-pyrsistent@py36 =3D=3D=3D>>> All >> devel/py-pyrsistent@py36 (1/3) =3D=3D=3D>>> Currently installed version: py36-pyrsistent-0.14.11 =3D=3D=3D>>> Port directory: /usr/ports/devel/py-pyrsistent@py36 =3D=3D=3D>>> Starting check for build dependencies =3D=3D=3D>>> Gathering dependency list for devel/py-pyrsistent@py36 from po= rts =3D=3D=3D>>> Dependency check complete for devel/py-pyrsistent@py36 =3D=3D=3D>>> All >> py36-pyrsistent-0.14.11 (1/3) =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for py36-pyrsistent-0.14.11_1 =3D=3D=3D> py36-pyrsistent-0.14.11_1 Unknown flavor 'py36', possible flavors: py37 py27.. *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/py-pyrsistent =3D=3D=3D>>> make build failed for devel/py-pyrsistent@py36 =3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update =3D=3D=3D>>> Update for devel/py-pyrsistent@py36 failed =3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update =3D=3D=3D>>> You can restart from the point of failure with this command li= ne: portmaster devel/py-pyrsistent@py36 graphics/drm-legacy-kmod devel/rust-cbindgen=20 This command has been saved to /tmp/portmasterfail.txt Thank you. --=20 =E2=80=9Cgood people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws=E2=80=9D=20 Plato From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 18 04:23:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8279F1D32A0 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 04:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47d21L2828z48CV for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 04:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 4987E1D329F; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 04:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494561D329E for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 04:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47d21K27kKz48CT for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 04:23:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=rcn.com; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@rcn.com; t=1576642980; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=mYZSD3AZZCAeEx2haVV1MSyve1w=; b=N/t/kKRbypjJNkZrWU9IRyJP9Dbwjg6OLCofPpjm9IdnE1WtOG6RApeJ4KuBgAgx wcMwfJKM0H8FiUr/3xwZz7r2PcRf68jfg9JYvJJz/Uv2WeSXEbn4v3VfOrfHCAa1 P2lBOzQ18bbkDCP2j4l6swEUzjzEZ+XjzineVmHyLUrJ5uSmVSYTMheGxbGwI7me IrBmTYtzsnO7GT95Jm9B1CjBvfZmj5hsSDN84n2ZtQuGrA0varwT3PwPbQuQYq+K bdgQuRApXp0Z0F9psaEc+V55CIjs0RT5XXc38VBa16lI2nW+bBLd+kvf9Iy0KjxK 9CH+k2newHzyXhZ2OXweaQ==; X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=fpGim2wf c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=pxVhFHJ0LMsA:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=RyAn_M4fb0yvM2_g3OgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:36428] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id E8/C3-55643-3A9A9FD5; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 23:23:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24057.43427.501450.488788@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 23:22:59 -0500 From: Robert Huff To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: off-list Samba help? 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Are there any knowledgable folks out there who would be willing to help _off-list_? Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 18 09:56:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C3F1DA226 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:56:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2e.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47d9Pd5DCRz4PKC for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:56:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2e.google.com with SMTP id z3so523480qvn.0 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 01:56:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version; bh=09yAViEUSg0poUtTFvvQkKhXlU94wl4eZpnPHMCSdFE=; b=Lt0XRRMCB8np6NUOMw2edPF00PPYFfSX2wQx9whC6tJB2ibXdPjuow6quU3QImI3LK KQFEGfM6o/xYUmG6BQw25Qca1tupg9BnvftZBTMF7jcc+VdHvpsoZmW5ifMpKnot6srw 7r1TaEgudfvz3En9Ic8hf4QzChoT/Cj+sU4Pc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version; bh=09yAViEUSg0poUtTFvvQkKhXlU94wl4eZpnPHMCSdFE=; b=t6FBoJk9NI6pKFA/xTOHVdhnkwk3U1Qe1jM68KAB4c/qwDFhShoDFoVLtOJ54yXW9d fDjtyI+OdACdF2viLVm2m6f3ALRpjK/SPpg541YjDfcjmbCbNv33lpl1aEJ2OBX4SFHP +0w1XpaTr1vASzdmTFzN5UOy5nSA2obX+LftLQzMcuCnSzxPcSVAEb46sfdJKcVKwysS WZDEeoHVahkSHD92JLFc2brwU4P/ZTFMD+PL3uCPcUI+Hp0VCTAazQS6fxpWQnEyT3Dz YXtDnNEDz/tAwidvB+msfksmN/vH+k4oNyrFRn0v6rblc23UrXPR5IwCwnLApwJPRr+c boAA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXTPqJATAbQ0ehimiLnipGMEUlBVZC3CXRw3jmnjIaxopVKRBk3 JMcjDDeYrzHf74MwSYVDs34cDKitIts= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz37MUP4U86cAeVU1Eehs7tmbpFR4EiF0iUdW/7D/XnAGjQhSQY0ofVGPf5fvtJM2X+oA5PNQ== X-Received: by 2002:ad4:4dc3:: with SMTP id cw3mr1395109qvb.130.1576662959352; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 01:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-225-250.nc.res.rr.com. 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 23:22:59 -0500, Robert Huff stated: > I (was) just upgraded from Samba 4.8 to 4.10 ... and the > restart >is choking on the config file. > Are there any knowledgable folks out there who would be willing >to help _off-list_? > > > Respectfully, > > > Robert Huff Have you tried the 'testparm' program to see what it reports? --=20 Jerry --Sig_/BvSbI0FVqqWG9t++B6iWJ4d Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl3596UACgkQOHMGOIfe xWT4EwgAqeBjUV83O9dKPi3JRMTXVfeH/+xrttlWnbIjRCugWUymWvO79c7n8Wjd cTn1Ag/Fq4MeLugR1XXhhxQCjnIFvXGn0tj8UVmEahMK1Ct57s3TvR8x5KUJdXae B0tcxOEUVKyigimSfpwLV75z75uDCqsXBiyCcaHHwjVRi7U4aNaCEXD3y3ZN+eDA 2xPJQpGRLev6nGGFRqQlD2EXmcdAeOU25rcPYZ1dx/19orlStq8ITWUd2jCVN9uB zWknnCvSeCDi6Iuu/INCI1d8r2LlY2RZVCysrVsiH+mGX87xQWqMbBcbMoG1Fijk iwxKbuNKMv5SzK/7nvK0E3/aJCHtYg== =XXOZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/BvSbI0FVqqWG9t++B6iWJ4d-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 19 16:48:34 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1181E5025 for ; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, A desktop system running latest 12-stable and poudriere-devel gives "out of swap" errors when compiling some ports like rustc. But swap doesn't go over 7%, there's 32GB RAM and over 64GB of swap (2x 32GB swapfiles on an SSD plus one 4GB swap partition, also on SSD): % sysctl -a | grep swap 2 PART ada0s1b 3834175488 512 i 2 o 236223201280 ty freebsd-swap xs BSD xt 1 0 MD md98 34359738368 512 u 98 s 512 f 0 fs 0 l 34359738368 t vnode file /swap1 label=20 0 MD md99 34359738368 512 u 99 s 512 f 0 fs 0 l 34359738368 t vnode file /swap0 label=20 z0xfffff8001e3ae600 [shape=3Dbox,label=3D"SWAP\nswap\nr#4"]; /swap1 /swap0 swap freebsd-swap vm.swap_enabled: 1 vm.domain.0.stats.unswappable: 0 vm.swap_idle_threshold2: 10 vm.swap_idle_threshold1: 2 vm.swap_idle_enabled: 0 vm.disable_swapspace_pageouts: 0 vm.stats.vm.v_swappgsout: 3034133 vm.stats.vm.v_swappgsin: 462625 vm.stats.vm.v_swapout: 428651 vm.stats.vm.v_swapin: 143721 vm.nswapdev: 3 vm.swap_fragmentation:=20 vm.swap_async_max: 4 vm.swap_maxpages: 65126576 vm.swap_total: 72553652224 vm.swap_reserved: 76193538048 I see this in /var/log/messages: Dec 19 15:38:07 desktop kernel: pid 57027 (rustc), jid 13, uid 0, was kille= d: out of swap space Dec 19 15:39:47 desktop kernel: pid 35795 (rustc), jid 13, uid 0, was kille= d: out of swap space Why isn't all the swap space being used? I could understand if it went to l= ike 95% use then complained, but I've kept a close eye on it while compiling and it doesn't get anywhere near that. As far as I'm aware, sysctl tunables are default. 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RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[135.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.33)[ip: (0.55), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.16), asn: 8560(2.27), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:15:58 -0000 I have recently installed a new experimental desktop system and updated another existing one. During those tasks, I found some things which I'd like to mention - am I the only one who experiences those things, or is this common? Preface: I have _never_ experienced stuff like this on servers; from my limited point of view, it's limited to desktops. In my case, FreeBSD 12.0 and 12.1 are involved (64 bit systems, with use of pkg + freebsd_update). Okay, let's start: If I install the Midnight Commander, both Python 2.7 and 3.6 get installed, with several modules, each in the 2.7 and 3.6 version. Some user-facing "normal" application (whose name I forgot) will install gcc, even though no compiling takes place, and the program itself is not related to any kind of programming. I think it was something like pdftk that installed gcc and binutils, and wine installs gcc9... In addition to those packages that get installed even though they don't seem to be needed, functions stop working. On a system where they were properly configured, running, and installed, an update made them stop working. For example, in the CUPS web interface, none of the 4 printers is listed. If I enter "Laserjet" in the search box at the top, 2 printers that contain "Laserjet" are listed, the other 2 printers are missing. And printing to one of them (Officejet, hplip, installed and configured, and _worked_ before the update) now causes a few lines of raw PS text to be printed, followed by a handful of empty pages. Opeining PDF files in Firefox does no longer open them "inline" (PDF viewer in a Firefox tab), but asks for an application to open with, but does not make xpdf selectable even though it's installed; however, many associations are now pointing to the "Internet Explorer" that comes with the wine installation. Having seen all this, the rule "never touch a running system" seems to bear some truth, even though, of course you cannot do this with servers facing the big bad Internet (or hordes of office drones who will click on everything they see), but as I said initially, updating servers has _never_ caused that kind of trouble for me. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, but... really... if I wanted such an experience, I'd be using "Windows" where updates will always break something, reliably, it's just about the surprise of _what_ will stop working... Of course, if I'm not the only one who sees this kind of post-update behaviour, it's definitely something to consider for novice users who use FreeBSD as a desktop. Again, I'm using FreeBSD as a desktop system nearly exclusively since 4.0, so I _know_ it can be done. But this... I don't know... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Interesting statement, Polytropon. I have been using FreeBSD since version 5 and MS Windows long before that (stated with DOS). In both cases, I have found both architectures perfectly capable of extreme debauchery. Are you familiar with bug # 237666 . I have known versions of Microsoft that would not install on older PC's that lacked the capabilities that it required; but never to refuse to install on a newer machine. On a perfectly operating 11.x machine, I could not, and apparently not just me either, install an 12.x version of FreeBSD. Problems exist everywhere. It takes personal prejudices to highlight them. 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Fri, 20 Dec 2019 11:14:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 16:14:06 +0000 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spurious out-of-swap messages (plenty of swap available) Message-ID: <20191220161406.GK63749@bastion.zyxst.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20191219164801.GH63749@bastion.zyxst.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQ77YLfPrO/qF/pM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20191219164801.GH63749@bastion.zyxst.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.2 (2019-09-21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47fYjV3wZtz473t X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm1 header.b=Zq9vl9x9; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b=qfirTkAk; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net designates 64.147.123.24 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.19 / 15.00]; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 04:47:34PM +0000, tech-lists wrote: >Hi, > >A desktop system running latest 12-stable and poudriere-devel gives "out of >swap" errors when compiling some ports like rustc. But swap doesn't go over >7%, there's 32GB RAM and over 64GB of swap (2x 32GB swapfiles on an SSD pl= us >one 4GB swap partition, also on SSD): > >% sysctl -a | grep swap >2 PART ada0s1b 3834175488 512 i 2 o 236223201280 ty freebsd-swap xs BSD xt= 1 >0 MD md98 34359738368 512 u 98 s 512 f 0 fs 0 l 34359738368 t vnode file >/swap1 label >0 MD md99 34359738368 512 u 99 s 512 f 0 fs 0 l 34359738368 t vnode file >/swap0 label >z0xfffff8001e3ae600 [shape=3Dbox,label=3D"SWAP\nswap\nr#4"]; > /swap1 > /swap0 > swap > freebsd-swap >vm.swap_enabled: 1 >vm.domain.0.stats.unswappable: 0 >vm.swap_idle_threshold2: 10 >vm.swap_idle_threshold1: 2 >vm.swap_idle_enabled: 0 >vm.disable_swapspace_pageouts: 0 >vm.stats.vm.v_swappgsout: 3034133 >vm.stats.vm.v_swappgsin: 462625 >vm.stats.vm.v_swapout: 428651 >vm.stats.vm.v_swapin: 143721 >vm.nswapdev: 3 >vm.swap_fragmentation: >vm.swap_async_max: 4 >vm.swap_maxpages: 65126576 >vm.swap_total: 72553652224 >vm.swap_reserved: 76193538048 > >I see this in /var/log/messages: > >Dec 19 15:38:07 desktop kernel: pid 57027 (rustc), jid 13, uid 0, was kill= ed: >out of swap space >Dec 19 15:39:47 desktop kernel: pid 35795 (rustc), jid 13, uid 0, was kill= ed: >out of swap space > >Why isn't all the swap space being used? I could understand if it went to = like >95% use then complained, but I've kept a close eye on it while compiling a= nd >it doesn't get anywhere near that. As far as I'm aware, sysctl tunables are >default. I'm thinking maybe the out-of-swapspace messages mask something e= lse? "Solved" this by running poudriere pkgclean -A. Then a batch run building o= ver 1200 ports without error, and swap being used normally. --=20 J. --LQ77YLfPrO/qF/pM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl3882kACgkQs8o7QhFz NAXblw//d+Xvk+0JEPMlwbRBMjM4f3itxLEGuxxOutJJWjNlOlnHjqdWSRVcoqlJ o6YMvZ36sLmTcLEk2zpIme1Uvdl7iiLHtZ9Ewxy5kUdZtyomr4iYJz3JUJdQPHtr G5o1oQACdHM3TTIbHwDLScyjf9pO3/WIsxFXqf2bmC3TOkzxPei7ywdljChNjfuO XzkKUJcDRrGPhjT+n3P+kyDxGfCVAlIcTlqmIYZXbpAmUZQrveaLFkLlAwPXlXNJ NTY7g04Uo0XG2erWxuIhpCQjplkyMGFa0sLi19fFk3lt1x4d96TvJnaLX902FeiI GvN07ZRKWeX0ArBB0BDWAoL1PL/R2xjycmyf6SaXXZL+Fw1MfdL5QO90R/pfWHl+ 35EBQ8Sj7LWx88vR7BOtlfsCGyvL5Wxkiw4okWiq8Um5qNXvyh/8JxczEnW4KQyM WVq8SEmkZS0T7mnlRwnUp8SZpYKbpAIa7W5EqzmzT5RQQZTDCwef/qnJ2MeQZjE/ EpL/1hf77TJQDLXTylLcw8O/EThAeu5IIItD/VxIhx8/1AW4R7OJ6ZYWRjadw57h Ttu4q6407ROu3QKFczVT8IqVyZgTUQgurdkCcJ8Qp57rZTNWTLaDUfXeWGTm14mD xa9zNN3RAnAHmiKId5v8KVkxWd6PFEirpafsy8qS7cT3J7LVx2k= =15gF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQ77YLfPrO/qF/pM-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 20 16:54:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35481DE33F for ; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, FreeBSD has been my desktop since 1998-ish. Until a few years ago, I always installed via ports and tailored some port installs with make config. Now I= =20 use poudriere to build ports on another machine, and download packages from there. It's still building via ports, just on another machine. In all that time, I've only ever used the repos to get a basic system up an= d=20 running, and not depend on them for updating. Too many variables for a one-size-fits-all system to get right in my opinion. One of my fears is sys= tem or port settings getting overwritten when updating. So, beforehand I'd set = the system up with portmaster to maintain the ports. Nowadays, I make a poudrie= re instance on the build server and point pkg on the client to there. =46rom your writing, it seems that some user or system settings got clobber= ed. If a config file has been modified though, IMO it shouldn't get overwritten without user intervention. My config files for ports very rarely get clobbe= red.=20 It has happened in the past though, but thats the fault of the port and not= =20 FreeBSD itself isn't it?=20 --=20 J. --XRwESHC7KXlqFpSs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl38/LcACgkQs8o7QhFz NAXC8g/+M+Sy7p/HQqhyrjU+vUpnh/lUW0MUMvNGwPM3B1LT8ONflS4pt75cigSh +RzoR55PVVTGAAzC5//1LHcxsLGw+gUizpQq2C3nH/tnG5ObWs5+VrpXVdkRFGLO S8gpqXEAxM+NjkNyqlHbz6AtXQZRIle1VySGa/OoMeDUEg08r7vjncpnzoKtGyg/ ioMR/VLVRO5VDV0k406jpThzHikQuPWoav0rpYp4Lr2LVjNO0s5EfFDvqLKOjbit 4yO70nnSY4D8HWdACTQ44m2/yzqNAvNub2VyzNtGA03PFkhLA8AcXLZZdjwpht77 mB8I5dx/XcRJLvT0tk2jzFTh+giVEOILhlUryg7XU10/oe4D/MzudaYVOmTGrHGr BEbAInC3NrRHjSX29rKccOCaw/cnYrlc8mm3B2kQKOBhxDeZiwVd/nXtoOYwVii7 hhHGXKDr8pPcL2ulkyOfmkRrQsMo83XDlkE2htNPBuXZvKPFwPMbELuQD4MQ1gb/ tbBhoigJQilwHKy5qTboA7XgqLkrufnCAbxpTov5CaNsta9sGDHnpyDXdssjmEBM QO8r0iGEARvE8Qy1M29TR2JACIvHXX99FF1HMXZRghXgO3h5zs9rbBG6g353Fngt 4iNrgm/gUkAZT0YDuCjQJSmkI0xaaEztGZxMRX3NFxk5PTaUqU4= =KW3J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XRwESHC7KXlqFpSs-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 20 16:57:41 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087371DE626 for ; 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MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 16:57:41 -0000 On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 16:48:01 +0000 tech-lists wrote: > I'm thinking maybe the out-of-swapspace messages mask something else? Do you have a tmpfs based /tmp and/or /var/tmp ? 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I did a portsnap today and then tried to update three ports from source including libvdpau. The first package ffmpeg-4.2.1 built fine. But, then in trying to build libvdpau-1.3, I got the error message: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/meson", line 6, in from pkg_resources import load_entry_point ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pkg_resources' ===> Script "configure" failed unexpectedly. I had recently followed the advise in UPDATE for ports and switched all my "py36-*" programs to "py37-*" programs, so I don't know if that's a factor. Thanks for the help.