From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 26 08:40:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A32235196 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 08:40:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karlo@klarinet.osamsb.hr) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4855tk0Kvvz3F33 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 08:40:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karlo@klarinet.osamsb.hr) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A26F21E5B; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 03:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 26 Jan 2020 03:40:45 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= klarinet.osamsb.hr; h=from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :date:message-id; s=fm3; bh=KtAZWUbQC6jihoJ9ygkpmVXeTOElsNjpUn4T GEnbPY0=; b=PjhIiVxBdlYX6h3xDh0dhdsh/hkrjmEqkus91gJlcWUAT2lYeoNq MQtxHS3HZvwTIf9VNG8DIO8fZ61AxMyMHgRc57Vv+1Lz1bhuZ0uYywmV7f0TtXFG GM25K4G85MbR3v7nB3VwqUyT7+gz2eyHgFOln7hBHDWrBrTEcSgDOk+8klEuskXi nERebkna7eceEX/ZAeujdsG82Q+GEWwXKDc7oc2YUV/npZnsYRLyOiBtG1E1iA6i fPfXxEQoXCfST0CwMrNjBsPKkVEwYj8eJp5O8PG9qssOwGKKGj/zh0n0DV/BpcS5 j9GyTKT8sMhhrPThMruEY1exFWgCTZpBdA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=KtAZWUbQC6jihoJ9ygkpmVXeTOEls NjpUn4TGEnbPY0=; b=lKCaNbMlz/UCvtlOxFmXz+JnVtBCdos8dI0EyiXKSMPW9 qOoqFp1zL7xPBcY9u2SGugX5fr191w+BKSZzRmDqSJXIsXExuxeTPFK0JBB5hvKJ 1OF9uY+lr8jacQdSW5rxPToejxVETMOlZSqafu6T6Uzw/oiDAD7pdSPnwWSqTdqn YWNI1Lr2rG87GmnbcQbbBFg6Y4MEQmEMCZlyML0nxTJgUDmyE2RtVh1JRQcmrVJ2 9MmP6Fs1rshsKJR7Roh8OvaX4oZ+nu17EvVAHCFuXlTjBj6hlDJoBEZwaBfe8W2H KlBMqcVyABdvPa/tv4u48rEKkusj4aKA7F1HF9hyA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrvdelgddvkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufggtgffkfesthdtfedttddtvd enucfhrhhomhepmfhrrghljhcumfgrrhhlohcuoehkrghrlhhosehklhgrrhhinhgvthdr ohhsrghmshgsrdhhrheqnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrg hilhhfrhhomhepkhgrrhhloheskhhlrghrihhnvghtrdhoshgrmhhssgdrhhhr X-ME-Proxy: From: Kralj Karlo To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Read usage codes from a specific USB keyboard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 08:40:41 +0000 Message-Id: <20200126084044.252483067415@mailuser.nyi.internal> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4855tk0Kvvz3F33 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=klarinet.osamsb.hr header.s=fm3 header.b=PjhIiVxB; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b=lKCaNbMl; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of karlo@klarinet.osamsb.hr designates 66.111.4.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=karlo@klarinet.osamsb.hr X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.09 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[klarinet.osamsb.hr:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.27]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[osamsb.hr]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-3.49)[ip: (-9.83), ipnet: 66.111.4.0/24(-4.90), asn: 11403(-2.68), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[klarinet.osamsb.hr:+,messagingengine.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[27.4.111.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 08:40:47 -0000 How can I do this? 1. Prevent X from using a specific USB keyboard. (I can identify the keyboard by name or by device.) 2. In a different program, read usage codes coming from that specific keyboard. In case that is not clear, here is some context. I have a keyboard next to my bed. When I press a button on the keyboard, my computer plays the time, out of the speakers. This way, I can determine what time it is without turning on the lights and without maintaining a separate clock. This is the only purpose of the keyboard. The present implementation is with xbindkeys. The xbindkeysrc looks like this. "speak-date" KP_0 "speak-date" KP_1 "speak-date" KP_2 "speak-date" KP_3 "speak-date" KP_4 "speak-date" KP_5 "speak-date" KP_6 "speak-date" KP_7 "speak-date" KP_8 "speak-date" KP_9 "speak-date" KP_Delete "speak-date" KP_Add "speak-date" KP_Subtract "speak-date" KP_Multiply "speak-date" KP_Divide "speak-date" KP_Enter The attached keyboard is a number pad, and I don't use a number pad otherwise, so it is fine for me to assign all of these keys in xbindkeys. But there is still a problem with this approach: If I lock my screen with slock, then the keypresses are not sent to xbindkeys, so I can't check the time. I would like to configure my computer so that presses of this keyboard are ignored by X and so that I can read the presses in a separate program that just watches for keypresses and runs speak-date when it receives them. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 26 11:43:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC2223A35B for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 11:43:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hamdi20193d@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe33.google.com (mail-vs1-xe33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e33]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4859x46yTPz3Qsj for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 11:43:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hamdi20193d@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe33.google.com with SMTP id x123so3985389vsc.2 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 03:43:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6az64sa2ULyDEGgVYK5p95FIuGOBIK26pndPUk4iudM=; b=XFU1w7cCzzP7UEbgVtLUFM0lnxPRT3P5zKgiGA49wmS6ZT582qW4FyMuFX/sGovNGW qy9BDFFHV4J6IpxEMexaMTLfNvwNWmReHrHO4Nyv8/oZHNVVyEfmOswecKNtuXq4APJ+ AYiFYfT1eu68YFZIaAfsUgSG+1FE1ZXcJKeswzY1Iy0vO9UoQiWWXvxePg4ry4FGqlOq D3hTt3+X2hkhs3Z3bXrhoi7guPSdX1OTqGssA1j/mIzskwux+xUomRpmoXoCz4YORU7F bwcHur6dhhIL7pFT2yyiP7jv8Se3Gqhh4czPqJMNSsn5JpU+QkZAA/LwAKTEfysZFTMs oPag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6az64sa2ULyDEGgVYK5p95FIuGOBIK26pndPUk4iudM=; b=aO6zqVqSZb+9OAAaJ8JT5tqNdLYt0Zt47O63IRnxtDN16edTqAXmssLK0cWWQOooUc hZMzTMxNcJFSGKhsbGac7DrDEPxQYq6JXpjGUy3nY7idNKxtnwM0I/3zOfNhFjW0FAm7 Jhpzgy00VFNDsFTrvPGz83v/BYA/Cx5ZZqIVArADLI2sSzuWElftRPCQbRS9HY/nYjO/ mjBCPfhBylVnoayYnCf5HNCvmsZIsVQTiubdpHU3YEE85FVjFKEQGApG1lpQj2Ze40Dv t6coi+oRdqqO+9ptC7yBNvFBR0G5uIJrT5G4KPZD+pe6zsjMFU3K44O/oWRWWrzNA38w 2uRA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWCdP37CvsjvhYXgLd/Kz7mIzsfRK1CpTQupMKN9c4XMrCZ2xlj ZoyG7JHz23l9nHS4BmZgeNaQTMTs4NCyONgHocUUe4tp X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw/x/ydElLkJK7t+WzRlIFJAQBR0ioEvp9Jy5aOJ9Dbfq9l46XTgGcqWMrydAYxLETgNqPOxKVxK4Nh/y9/dac= X-Received: by 2002:a67:e98f:: with SMTP id b15mr7021049vso.125.1580038983821; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 03:43:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Handreas Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:42:50 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Integrity check failed? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4859x46yTPz3Qsj X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=XFU1w7cC; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hamdi20193d@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hamdi20193d@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.42), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.05), asn: 15169(-1.79), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 11:43:05 -0000 I enabled debugging loggin in rc.conf and I see these messages when the system boots: Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot/ROOT/default GEOM_PART: integrity check failed ada0p2 BSD GEOM_PART: integrity check failed gpt Is there anything I should worry about/do? I have two nvme disks on a single ZFS root. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 26 13:15:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B1D23DC98 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 13:15:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) Received: from ns1.nethead.se (ns1.nethead.se [5.150.237.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns1.nethead.se", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485CzZ2RNwz41m7 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 13:15:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@nethead.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Nethead AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nethead.se; s=NETHEADSE; t=1580044511; bh=cJfUmIVzStGBRpC+RIasagi9JTJn1jvVVG8I1r/mqbQ=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=iGX4uH3nx0p16wvOq6k++h/WFRuIK7m9iJSxAKWBL1Z88uQ4vCQ0+VjnBm800nHWz WCSDaBIcJO4LMH2eIpEIIn2lJTUPsya8eRpnNzrqxO1+D/RH1hDjcir+Uv7L2QK855 Bc9REX3NcOYRxujz3tE3iAN/DIBgdu8no51oKicc= Subject: Re: FreeBSD 12.1 sysctl optimization for Web server To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Per olof Ljungmark Organization: Nethead AB Message-ID: <7e124169-8911-b1ec-2e34-9c9d472c0ffa@nethead.se> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:15:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485CzZ2RNwz41m7 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=nethead.se header.s=NETHEADSE header.b=iGX4uH3n; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=nethead.se; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of peo@nethead.se designates 5.150.237.139 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=peo@nethead.se X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.82 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[nethead.se:s=NETHEADSE]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip4:5.150.237.139]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[nethead.se:+]; URIBL_PBL(0.01)[calomel.org]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[nethead.se,none]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.83)[ip: (-9.71), ipnet: 5.150.192.0/18(-4.86), asn: 8473(0.48), country: SE(-0.03)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8473, ipnet:5.150.192.0/18, country:SE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 13:15:23 -0000 On 2020-01-25 13:33, Handreas wrote: > Hi everyone. > > Could you please have a look at the following sysctl.conf optimisation of > mine on a FreeBSD 12.1 box that'll be running only on the purpose of web > serving with a good amount of traffic, PHP-FPM, Nginx and MariaDB, with > 10Gbe NIC card, 2 Gbit Up/Down connection: > > https://pastebin.com/TWL6DfFP > > The priority here is, stable Nginx connections/requests, and fast enough. > The server has enough hardware specs, carrying 64GB ddr4 ram and a Xeon > cpu. > > Any suggestions, additions would be much appreciated. > Hi, I've had good results from reading https://calomel.org/freebsd_network_tuning.html and TUNING(7) possibly derived from https://wiki.freebsd.org/SystemTuning Good luck. Per From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 26 13:51:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6827123EBCA for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 13:51:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markand@malikania.fr) Received: from smtp.smtpout.orange.fr (smtp04.smtpout.orange.fr [80.12.242.126]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485Dml1jbjz438v for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 13:51:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markand@malikania.fr) Received: from postfix.malikania.fr ([5.135.187.121]) by mwinf5d51 with ME id v1r0210042dbEiD031r0gc; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:51:00 +0100 X-ME-Helo: postfix.malikania.fr X-ME-Auth: ZGVtZWxpZXIuZGF2aWRAb3JhbmdlLmZy X-ME-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:51:00 +0100 X-ME-IP: 5.135.187.121 Received: from kiwi-1.home (unknown [86.243.16.64]) by postfix.malikania.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6BFDF26A68 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:50:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Subject: How to dualboot UEFI the right way? From: David Demelier To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:50:54 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485Dml1jbjz438v X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of markand@malikania.fr has no SPF policy when checking 80.12.242.126) smtp.mailfrom=markand@malikania.fr X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.09 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(1.19)[ip: (2.65), ipnet: 80.12.240.0/20(1.58), asn: 3215(1.72), country: FR(0.00)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[126.242.12.80.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[malikania.fr]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3215, ipnet:80.12.240.0/20, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[126.242.12.80.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 13:51:05 -0000 Hi there, I have a thinkpad X1 carbon that I use with Linux mostly, I'd like to add a FreeBSD dualboot alongside Linux using grub and UEFI. My current partition scheme is: Device Start End Sectors Size Type /dev/nvme0n1p1 2048 526335 524288 256M EFI System /dev/nvme0n1p2 526336 1050623 524288 256M Linux filesystem /dev/nvme0n1p3 1050624 420481023 419430400 200G Linux filesystem Is has 40Gb free space to hold FreeBSD. Once I boot the memstick USB, at installer I used experts mode to partition and added a partition / as freebsd-ufs. Then the installer complained that I require a boot partition, I entered yes and it created a *new* EFI partition, which is obviously wrong. However, I can't understand how to select the existing EFI partition and tell bsdinstall to use it (especially which mountpoint?). I've tried to search some information about that but it looks like not many people tried that yet. Has anyone successfully made a dualboot with an existing EFI partition using bsdinstall? Installing sets manually from the FreeBSD shell may be an option if required. Any help is welcomed. Regards -- David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 26 14:15:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC3A23F4E7 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:15:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485FKJ4nYdz44FD for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:15:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2C010378; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:15:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Is this just the way it is?? To: Polytropon , Doug Denault Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200124210711.a1deab26.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <3f5c97fc-3962-9d82-08cc-05aad3e67a56@qeng-ho.org> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:15:40 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200124210711.a1deab26.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485FKJ4nYdz44FD X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.41)[ip: (-7.47), ipnet: 217.155.0.0/16(-3.73), asn: 13037(-0.76), country: GB(-0.08)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:15:50 -0000 On 24/01/2020 20:07, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:22:36 -0500 (EST), Doug Denault wrote: >> I recently undated my laptop and desktop to 11.3. The laptop around >> Thanksgiving >> and the Desktop in January. I came across an application to replace >> one that >> was changed in the 11-rel tree with no way to convert a database >> without >> the old >> version. Which programs really do not matter to my question. > > Sidenote: FreeBSD version 11 is on its way to EOL. In case > you perform a new installation, you should probably use > version 12 (the latest release of that branch), except you > have a good reason to use older and (as it will become) > unsupported version. We're all on our way to EOL. :-( However, the FBSD web site says the expected EOL for 11 is September 30 2021 with 11.4 due in the middle of this year, so it's got a way to go yet. -- What do we want? A time machine! When do we want it? Errm ... 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DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[163.176.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.29)[0.290,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (3.65), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.19), asn: 34010(1.73), country: GB(-0.08)]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[163.176.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 19:00:02 -0000 On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:24:31 +0000, Manish Jain wrote: >My motherboard is Gigabyte B450 AORUS and its BIOS version is F5. How >do I check if a newer BIOS exists, which hopefully will solve my >problem ? The available updates > F5 (from F30 to F50) provide descriptions: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-AORUS-PRO-rev-10/support#support-dl-bios From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 26 19:06:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5AF1F822C for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 19:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic314-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic314-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485Mmt5x2pz4PBZ for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 19:06:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: 7Xw.COAVM1lS2S9ZXBQTMndt86LX7hgrXbdfq8o4L_ldQ8wZTUmcIyysi3yF6i. iipIC3.sb1vtd.3hxj5drjHjDLxKPlmkvgcGBGQ3rc0Dxjo.qoDJqo1XVqt_3B4T9nBR52nZ.UDl VdgFqdz0jU5PGCPB.WT92Ph_DjRlCV8I7WwuA5RcBVIIx37ujGFver4LK1xxxmNCKgAwps4mcZdc npniCHqU0sKAN2pKkmT6WM8vMx_LLJJwHjRxOPLh3GgkjbxYrqa7bxCsuJHE.a37rNf2v.tSe9T_ kNyPNXYNYD1goIClOLJV902xkifMWG.FbAIBa0VfHISpFmeA1SJ8b05yEJcpRKRPRTanIpUWuF60 zU2ESr8Hd4IuWQKFoWPeE2Q_S5HtsmFz8uPUulYru1oF2KyRQ968rOaMTRWXdtMmmQdDJw1Gfv0V UVgnGm0NJYe4T7aUh3ZZKQtDFJFl3jWtOQQauNkPOVhR2y4dWzmZ228_FoA6BF25aqFQKkxygqaY 6QtcKG..qYKJNz5iipoBkT40PP4Z64lz5h94VwgHEEyBxvLzt6Nu8dgdMKdhT2rzpfKkQHNHuw2C I.bU3VpgaJdOoGM1yayevgpfXMSO.x6_6r1it.OqPbn4q2TpsHv9C2_ELTWzvbgfsx0Cqnm54DC8 wrMQYoEDREBcGNv3qUue5zVcX77._iN_nW0bC2NDlFSPOLLzgjVMFIfuEte7cxB1jBdZ6DLG1N1s QpIwtPBDDi31nlpUaX6qo9O.q7LqjVCH0QJaiVWEXB9bWgCJdsPm0ysZ0CeIZsgHgyKE.DGS1Kvy 3xh7Itvdnol8eks_ZGsEHs8OaaFXU1WT3cmgtkIlTj0t0QnhcRKaslZW33VGPe7WiAKcj4430oFj g804ldsowpZxkDOujOCsPrCOeNDS.vg6zazVfoW9ZmUP8rouAqTf5qKDk8yGeo_Vjnadiammho6K 9iAN2fHl4oxsMfTpkKLuyClCbA.v.wTjemiC19RMByA1_mrkj8iCy7hscrH6Oy8agkJuSTP2zrOl 5n4KCdIV0w9Hqhoft.VZXPJ6venpI1rNJMvOWHo1Kds5YtGObNqNFP1.Dsof5jZvuJY80_7MEJgR 0x7AzqzqtKE.tIouBPqUIo5IpZIsw19yCRlhIUDMIPyWNDKt5V44oFXjPZqQTCQ8gNXDluS.zm7w Y2z8uqWk8mBnbryACg4ZRBUpkLDAOWU2x3AIZIkd7_vYtzNPYMXLawdSlgagAYv34UugxTm0aiwL HEjk91uoABUZVUz5KV0YGqC4kGE1VfDhVlaptZZRY3tUgWkWknmH4hitv.5PWVhfxIhBeyo6E6CI 9lJDLbro_J.te5w2geys6TPyqMzPmt76_1J6f_jmCGObj5BJUtMG572zJaEcjwbFwNE.ACWRca61 uAkbOwoL.OeQ- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic314.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 19:06:37 +0000 Received: by smtp405.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID bce940fd97a3258356ee55395f70428b; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 19:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 20:06:48 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtualbox shows only 32-bit machine options Message-ID: <20200126200648.71789189@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200126200007.21775a05@archlinux> References: <20200126200007.21775a05@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485Mmt5x2pz4PBZ X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.19 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.52)[0.519,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[146.177.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[146.177.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.16)[0.165,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (3.35), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.19), asn: 34010(1.73), country: GB(-0.08)]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 19:06:40 -0000 On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 20:00:07 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 14:24:31 +0000, Manish Jain wrote: >>My motherboard is Gigabyte B450 AORUS and its BIOS version is F5. How >>do I check if a newer BIOS exists, which hopefully will solve my >>problem ? > >The available updates > F5 (from F30 to F50) provide descriptions: > >https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-AORUS-PRO-rev-10/support#support-dl-bios PS: There are different kinds of "B450 AORUS" available, for all of them a BIOS link is provided here: https://www.gigabyte.com/Search?kw=B450%20AORUS#Products-2-1 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 26 20:09:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8021F9DAF for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 20:09:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR05-AM6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-am6eur05olkn2048.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.91.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485P9G1w7Fz4Rv9 for ; 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As a side note, I have never updated > BIOS in my life. So if I do it in the coming days, it shall be a first. It is my understanding that - after carefully researching others' experiences - one ought to always keep the BIOS at the most recent revision. And yes - if you've never done it before it can be _terrifying_. The good news is modern machines make it far safer and less painful than it used to be. 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RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[32.110.248.87.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.31)[0.311,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (3.97), ipnet: 87.248.110.0/24(2.38), asn: 34010(1.73), country: GB(-0.08)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:87.248.110.0/24, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 01:52:13 -0000 On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 21:32:19 +0000, Manish Jain wrote: >On 2020-01-27 02:40, Robert Huff wrote: >>=20 >> Manish Jain writes: >> =20 >>> What do you think I should do ? As a side note, I have never >>> updated BIOS in my life. So if I do it in the coming days, it shall >>> be a first. =20 >>=20 >> It is my understanding that - after carefully researching >> others' experiences - one ought to always keep the BIOS at the most >> recent revision. >> And yes - if you've never done it before it can be >> _terrifying_. The good news is modern machines make it far safer and >> less painful than it used to be. >>=20 >>=20 >> Respectfully, >>=20 >>=20 >> Robert Huff >> =20 > > >Hi Robert/others, > > >So here we go ! > >I have downloaded the latest BIOS version's update file >mb_bios_b450-aorus-elite_f51.zip from Gigabyte's support site. The zip=20 >archive contains 4 files : > >B450AE.F51 >Efiflash.exe >autoexec.bat >readme.txt Just for the record then B450M ELITE is at F2, even a F5 wasn't released. https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450M-AORUS-ELITE-rev-10/support#suppo= rt-dl-bios B450 ELITE is at F51. https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-AORUS-ELITE-rev-10/support#suppor= t-dl-bios >Since I have never updated BIOS before, I will appreciate assistance >in what I have to do next. In my understanding, I should > >1) Extract the zip's contents somewhere >2) Format a USB pen drive /dev/da0s1 as msdosfs >3) Copy the zip's contents to /dev/da0s1 >4) Boot from the pen drive > >A couple of questions: > >1) Is simply booting from the pen drive enough or do I have to carry >out some commands ? I do not think I should have to carry out any >commands because autoexec.bat contains the required command : >(efiflash.exe B450AE.F51) You don't need to boot, just power on the machine and enter the BIOS with the USB stick attached. >2) There are multiple BIOS updates available at Gigabyte's support=20 >website between my current BIOS version (F5) and the latest BIOS >version (F51). Can I directly update from F5 to F51, or whether each >BIOS update in between has to be carried out sequentially ? That >really would be a nightmare ! In your case it is a nightmare. But usually it isn't. "Note: Before updating BIOS to this new version, you MUST follow the steps as detailed under BIOS F40 discription" "Note: 1. If you are using Q-Flash Utility to update BIOS, make sure you have updated BIOS to F32 before [...]. Before update BIOS to [...], you have to install EC FW Update Tool (B19.0517.1 or later version) to avoid 4DIMM DDR incompatibility on 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen=E2=84=A2 CPU." 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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 02:46:55 -0000 I'm working on building an efitool program written and used in various linux flavors that I would like to see work on FreeBSD. from: Make.rules ... "ARCH = $(shell uname -m | sed 's/i.86/ia32/;s/arm.*/arm/') ifeq ($(ARCH),ia32) ARCH3264 = -m32 else ifeq ($(ARCH),x86_64) ARCH3264 = else ifeq ($(ARCH),aarch64) ARCH3264 = else ifeq ($(ARCH),arm) ARCH3264 = else $(error unknown architecture $(ARCH)) endif" ... On my newer Ryzen 7 machine: clay@bsd13:~ % uname FreeBSD clay@bsd13:~ % uname -m amd64 clay@bsd13:~ % uname -a FreeBSD bsd13 13.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #0 r357002: Thu Jan 23 04:35:00 UTC 2020 root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64 clay@bsd13:~ % On my older AMD E2 or E3 running Kali Linux: root@kali:~# uname Linux root@kali:~# uname -a Linux kali 5.3.0-kali2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.3.9-3kali1 (2019-11-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux root@kali:~# uname -m x86_64 root@kali:~# I think I can manage the code, except I don't have an Intel machine to know what "name" uname -m returns on a Intel box running FreeBSD. Can someone with an Intel machine tell me what uname -m returns? Thanks. Clay Daniels From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 27 02:50:04 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A489322D2B6 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 02:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (static-71-163-255-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.163.255.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485Z3b687Kz3JQd for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 02:50:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from tripel.monochrome.org (tripel.monochrome.org [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 00R2nvjT021973; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 21:49:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 21:49:57 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hill To: Clay Daniels cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: uname -m for an Intel machine running FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485Z3b687Kz3JQd X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of chris@monochrome.org has no SPF policy when checking 71.163.255.121) smtp.mailfrom=chris@monochrome.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.13)[asn: 701(0.72), country: US(-0.05)]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[monochrome.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.78)[0.776,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.85)[0.845,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:701, ipnet:71.163.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 02:50:04 -0000 On Sun, 26 Jan 2020, Clay Daniels wrote: > I'm working on building an efitool program written and used in various > linux flavors that I would like to see work on FreeBSD. [ huge snip ] > I think I can manage the code, except I don't have an Intel machine to > know what "name" uname -m returns on a Intel box running FreeBSD. > > Can someone with an Intel machine tell me what uname -m returns? $ uname -m amd64 This is on a: CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz (3158.81-MHz K8-class CPU) -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 27 03:57:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE6122E8F5 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 03:57:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=9yN/=3Q=lafn.org=bc979@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485bYt58Qnz3MNY for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 03:57:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=9yN/=3Q=lafn.org=bc979@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.1.10.54] (unknown [206.214.35.138]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 485bYs0rVcz2fjQj for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 19:57:53 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Doug Hardie Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 19:57:52 -0800 Subject: Upgrade to 12.1 Message-Id: <65E9280F-EB5D-4A09-9BC1-B6A8141A99C2@lafn.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (17C54) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485bYt58Qnz3MNY X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=9yN/=3Q=lafn.org=bc979@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=9yN/=3Q=lafn.org=bc979@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.50)[-0.502,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.60)[-0.598,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.07)[asn: 5650(-0.30), country: US(-0.05)]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[148.216.177.71.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=9yN/=3Q=lafn.org=bc979@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=9yN/=3Q=lafn.org=bc979@sermon-archive.info]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 03:57:55 -0000 I tried to upgrade a 12.0 system to 12.1 tonight. Freebsd-upgrade gave me: Fetching metadata signature for RELEASE-12.1 from update4.freebsd.org... fai= led. Fetching metadata signature for RELEASE-12.1 from update2.freebsd.org... fai= led. Fetching metadata signature for RELEASE-12.1 from update1.freebsd.org... fai= led. No mirrors remaining, giving up. This happened several times tonight. Any ideas what is going on? -- Doug= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 27 04:02:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB5D22EAE7 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 04:02:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Received: from mail.antonovs.family (mail.antonovs.family [100.25.240.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485bfd4Pxxz3MbW for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 04:02:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.antonovs.family (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C15C138A35; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 04:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.antonovs.family ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.antonovs.family [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id QGxXv0qouBdy; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 04:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.antonovs.family (Postfix) with ESMTP id C308D138A5E; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 04:01:54 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail.antonovs.family C308D138A5E DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=antonovs.family; s=D65AA412-CB7F-11E9-A561-802C9D403B77; t=1580097714; bh=056DtOkwqT1kRDhFwdNKr1B+cNxX8vJaov4XMljH4pU=; h=Date:From:To:Message-ID:MIME-Version; b=qEkxKsTDC4l6Ot/cHPzrDzo4shS3frJoCW0fHL0fuQWrfFooInuJDXn0mbNInYXWL nrWbkfsHuYf+Xz5sgmtV/U/6JoqCCrFIIBSJifA067MsIgEbfY7zzmssx4FNe/klzU qsflhqN5BVfdxtmsTIlVJ3+33p6/1TGBRMMMy9SOSHE0TYNmssgRncrr0bo11VH+0B M7GWfckxT+r4efcpE8h/394Z2ND2NwcDKcHGWT2pGrdKeFrfIiSKPfyWm+M7Nl1Jij COUokC0xvu9VOf7RjE6bPYzva10wdUlpWdmFQQrK/UhMLKseZBl2zOwcfLWJje8eIb rfuo2iS/+sP1w== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antonovs.family Received: from mail.antonovs.family ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.antonovs.family [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id RItOp5AMXiyT; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 04:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (c-73-83-210-79.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.83.210.79]) by mail.antonovs.family (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5CE29138A35; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 04:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 20:01:51 -0800 From: Ihor Antonov To: Chris Hill Cc: Clay Daniels , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: uname -m for an Intel machine running FreeBSD Message-ID: <20200127040151.c52rwhhysqg4dpwk@sea-ll-10936> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485bfd4Pxxz3MbW X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=antonovs.family header.s=D65AA412-CB7F-11E9-A561-802C9D403B77 header.b=qEkxKsTD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=antonovs.family; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ihor@antonovs.family designates 100.25.240.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ihor@antonovs.family X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.41 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[antonovs.family:s=D65AA412-CB7F-11E9-A561-802C9D403B77]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[antonovs.family:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[antonovs.family,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:100.24.0.0/13, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; IP_SCORE(-2.91)[ip: (-7.97), ipnet: 100.24.0.0/13(-3.47), asn: 14618(-3.04), country: US(-0.05)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[79.210.83.73.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 04:02:03 -0000 On 2020-01-26 21:49, Chris Hill wrote: > On Sun, 26 Jan 2020, Clay Daniels wrote: > > > I'm working on building an efitool program written and used in various > > linux flavors that I would like to see work on FreeBSD. > > [ huge snip ] > > > I think I can manage the code, except I don't have an Intel machine to > > know what "name" uname -m returns on a Intel box running FreeBSD. > > > > Can someone with an Intel machine tell me what uname -m returns? > > $ uname -m > amd64 > > This is on a: > CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz (3158.81-MHz K8-class CPU) Same on my Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8850H CPU @ 2.60GHz Linux: x86_64 FreeBSD: amd64 - both baremetal and as KVM guest > -- > Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 27 05:22:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9608F231878 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 05:22:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Received: from mail.antonovs.family (mail.antonovs.family [100.25.240.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485dRM3wj2z3wYG for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 05:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.antonovs.family (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8E8138A35 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 05:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.antonovs.family ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.antonovs.family [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id ESWpTFl7os17 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 05:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.antonovs.family (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3871C138A5E for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 05:22:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail.antonovs.family 3871C138A5E DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=antonovs.family; s=D65AA412-CB7F-11E9-A561-802C9D403B77; t=1580102542; bh=+bTnKI+dqnwI0SqxH3QJuNVBnpw2+AWSFOYcp07YGYQ=; h=Date:From:To:Message-ID:MIME-Version; b=ue3xHIMIRbofmDs92zg4OEqqPqrsbjTVCOvnyscow5M/5cNEZLhRoHA+YBKMgDIvh oPuxWzdN+/WgAMh2Deo2fPSdoDi4R0/2RXy6F3+lyrWmrxIKGJcL1MDNVr8D7wQbUB V+VDoyXSKC5rML6GCytEF7tPf4qp8Of/q2/B1B2UGFoD8938AatjaR6NzX38NbBuD1 33RKG6YSj0sTd7kl7g3/Ljuelxri46qP+dDZQ3RhmsT+/0hQVZQYCRywZNEqOxDAHt 8dffa70w0nrFpPzdmiV+u6hfY/13clX9YiobvpqDcEH90tlYpm2eTfT5EvHr7DFib9 Guj0QYhfU1Z7w== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antonovs.family Received: from mail.antonovs.family ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.antonovs.family [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 4pHX5jLskQ9G for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 05:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (c-73-83-210-79.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.83.210.79]) by mail.antonovs.family (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7970138A35 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 05:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 21:22:18 -0800 From: Ihor Antonov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Documentation for sysctl MIBs Message-ID: <20200127052218.3icxzqtxnbm6raa3@sea-ll-10936> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485dRM3wj2z3wYG X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=antonovs.family header.s=D65AA412-CB7F-11E9-A561-802C9D403B77 header.b=ue3xHIMI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=antonovs.family; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ihor@antonovs.family designates 100.25.240.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ihor@antonovs.family X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.51 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[antonovs.family:s=D65AA412-CB7F-11E9-A561-802C9D403B77]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.01)[ip: (-8.28), ipnet: 100.24.0.0/13(-3.70), asn: 14618(-3.04), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[antonovs.family:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[antonovs.family,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:100.24.0.0/13, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[79.210.83.73.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 05:22:25 -0000 Hi everyone, Various manuals and FreeBSD Handbook often instruct user to tweak kernel parameters with sysctl to achieve something. Although the explanation of what exactly given parameter is doing is often omitted. As a curious person I don't like to follow manual blindly and I always try to understand what am I doing. So I started looking for documentation of sysctl MIB's, hoping that rumors that "FreeBSD is famous for its good and extensive documentation" will turn out to be true. Unfortunately after days of searching and reading the best answer I could find is sysctl -d There is no documented list of MIBs and sysctl -d often gives very brief one-line explanations, which often create more question. Sometimes there is no explanation at all: # sysctl -d hw.acpi.suspend_state hw.acpi.suspend_state: I have Absolute FreeBSD book on my table, it also does not provide much insight into how a user can get more information about sysctl MIBs. So my question to the community: how do you understand what given MIB is doing? Where to find more extensive documentation? Is there some kind of framework that would allow a user to understand when and what needs to be tweaked (e.g. how to enable powersaving on my wifi card? is this bootloader tunable? kernel parameter? rc.conf? ...) P.S. Here are example articles that explain how to get FreeBSD running on laptops, but what is never explained is how did the author come up with all these tweaks: https://genneko.github.io/playing-with-bsd/hardware/freebsd-on-thinkpad-t480/ https://www.c0ffee.net/blog/freebsd-on-a-laptop/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 27 07:27:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCB1234A90 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 07:27:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=xT9A=3Q=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485hCn54SLz43S1 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 07:27:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=xT9A=3Q=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 485hCm2VcNz2fjVr for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 23:27:32 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: Upgrade to 12.1 Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 23:27:32 -0800 References: <65E9280F-EB5D-4A09-9BC1-B6A8141A99C2@lafn.org> To: FreeBSD Questions In-Reply-To: <65E9280F-EB5D-4A09-9BC1-B6A8141A99C2@lafn.org> Message-Id: <8BCFA94F-0B9B-4CF2-A6E1-A977584AFA2F@mail.sermon-archive.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485hCn54SLz43S1 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=xT9A=3Q=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=xT9A=3Q=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.68 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.55)[-0.549,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.66)[-0.661,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.07)[asn: 5650(-0.29), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[148.216.177.71.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=xT9A=3Q=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=xT9A=3Q=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 07:27:35 -0000 > On 26 January 2020, at 19:57, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 > I tried to upgrade a 12.0 system to 12.1 tonight. Freebsd-upgrade = gave me: >=20 > Fetching metadata signature for RELEASE-12.1 from = update4.freebsd.org... failed. > Fetching metadata signature for RELEASE-12.1 from = update2.freebsd.org... failed. > Fetching metadata signature for RELEASE-12.1 from = update1.freebsd.org... failed. > No mirrors remaining, giving up. >=20 > This happened several times tonight. Any ideas what is going on? Never mind. The release id was backwards. It should have been = 12.1-RELEASE. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 27 07:56:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3395E2356FA for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 07:56:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markand@malikania.fr) Received: from smtp.smtpout.orange.fr (smtp03.smtpout.orange.fr [80.12.242.125]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485hsQ418fz44hx for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 07:56:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markand@malikania.fr) Received: from postfix.malikania.fr ([5.135.187.121]) by mwinf5d57 with ME id vKwf2100b2dbEiD03KwfFC; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:56:40 +0100 X-ME-Helo: postfix.malikania.fr X-ME-Auth: ZGVtZWxpZXIuZGF2aWRAb3JhbmdlLmZy X-ME-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:56:40 +0100 X-ME-IP: 5.135.187.121 Received: from [167.3.108.158] (unknown [77.159.242.250]) by postfix.malikania.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B677AC9 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:56:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Rust in base To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> From: David Demelier Message-ID: <9c564fd6-54e7-218d-dad5-4251488b812c@malikania.fr> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:56:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485hsQ418fz44hx X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of markand@malikania.fr has no SPF policy when checking 80.12.242.125) smtp.mailfrom=markand@malikania.fr X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.24 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.994,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[125.242.12.80.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[malikania.fr]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3215, ipnet:80.12.240.0/20, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(1.35)[ip: (3.44), ipnet: 80.12.240.0/20(1.58), asn: 3215(1.71), country: FR(0.00)]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[125.242.12.80.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 07:56:44 -0000 Le 24/01/2020 à 21:02, Ihor Antonov a écrit : > Hi folks, > > As I was reading this article [1] I started wondering what would it take to bring Rust into base? That would be a very bad idea. Rust is big beast, it does not support the same number of platforms as FreeBSD does and is utterly complex. Not mentioning that cargo, the package manager for Rust is built upon the same philosophy as npm, aka having a separate module for minimalistic functions. That means even small applications like alacritty requires around ~50 dependencies which is totally insane. Also, building a Rust application without internet connection is quite hard (but still feasible). Rust is far more complicated language to learn than C. C is so minimal and low level that you have already almost the view of what will the code look like in assembly when writing C, thus being the best fit for kernel and drivers. Don't get me wrong, Rust is a good language but it has not its place into base which contains already too much non-mandatory things (unbound, sendmail to quote just those). -- David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 27 08:48:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B3A82374F5 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485k1P1kSGz47ZX for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from guardian.ventu (93-63-105-18.ip27.fastwebnet.it [93.63.105.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 00R8mRZE045465 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 09:48:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host 93-63-105-18.ip27.fastwebnet.it [93.63.105.18] claimed to be guardian.ventu Subject: Re: Rust in base To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <0543d579-e88e-8bb9-629f-70bb639d8b5b@netfence.it> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 09:48:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.83 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485k1P1kSGz47ZX X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.26 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; IP_SCORE(-1.46)[ip: (-7.48), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-3.74), asn: 30722(3.87), country: IT(0.04)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:48:42 -0000 On 2020-01-24 21:02, Ihor Antonov wrote: > - what does FreeBSD community think of the idea to have Rust in base? Please: no! (I won't repeat the reasons, as others, like David, already explained them perfectly). bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 27 15:18:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E10D1F8F66 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:18:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485tgb1ZMlz4TcS for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:2a3:9958:ad89:68c4:9554:556] (unknown [172.58.139.71]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43E874E662; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 09:18:50 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.40.2.2.4\)) Subject: Re: uname -m for an Intel machine running FreeBSD From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: <20200127040151.c52rwhhysqg4dpwk@sea-ll-10936> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 09:18:48 -0600 Cc: Chris Hill , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Clay Daniels Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20200127040151.c52rwhhysqg4dpwk@sea-ll-10936> To: Ihor Antonov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.40.2.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485tgb1ZMlz4TcS X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.25 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.35)[-0.352,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.139.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.65)[-0.651,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.15)[ip: (0.42), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.21), asn: 160(0.17), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:18:52 -0000 > On Jan 26, 2020, at 10:01 PM, Ihor Antonov = wrote: >=20 > On 2020-01-26 21:49, Chris Hill wrote: >> On Sun, 26 Jan 2020, Clay Daniels wrote: >>=20 >>> I'm working on building an efitool program written and used in = various >>> linux flavors that I would like to see work on FreeBSD. >>=20 >> [ huge snip ] >>=20 >>> I think I can manage the code, except I don't have an Intel machine = to >>> know what "name" uname -m returns on a Intel box running FreeBSD. >>>=20 >>> Can someone with an Intel machine tell me what uname -m returns? >>=20 >> $ uname -m >> amd64 >>=20 >> This is on a: >> CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz (3158.81-MHz = K8-class CPU) >=20 > Same on my Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8850H CPU @ 2.60GHz >=20 > Linux: x86_64 > FreeBSD: amd64 - both baremetal and as KVM guest >=20 This correct. Man name =E2=80=A6 -m Write the type of the current hardware platform=E2=80=A6 This essentially denotes 64 bit CPU with with inscruction set haveng = i386 instruction set as its subset. It is not by any means hardware = (CPU) make, model etc identifier. I like the name FreeBSD uses: amd64. Some Linuxes do use the same name, = can not remember distros off hand. RedHat and clones and Debian ad = clones use x86_64. (I am not historian, so someone may correct me where my memory fails = me). This architecture began by AMD releasing its Opteron CPU (the = project was called =E2=80=9Chammer=E2=80=9D). This was 64 bit CPU with = instruction set containg as subset i386 instructions. Simultaneously AMD = made excellemt move about RAM organization: in multi-CPU machine each = CPU had memory controller, and its chunk of memory. Thus two different = CPU will not collide on access of segments of memory directly attached = to them. For over decade (if not two decades) CPU speed grew up much = faster that RAM speed. And this solution was known even before AMD = implemented it in hammer (Opteron) project. Then, for access of the = trest of RAM given CPU has to go through another CPU wo which necessary = segment of prysical memory is attached directly. This is do through very = fast =E2=80=9Chypertransport channels=E2=80=9D between CPUS which VIA = developed for AMD (necessary electronics is insode each of CPUs. At that moment Intel had different approach to 64 bit, and about that = time they just developed their Itanium architecture. The instruction set = was different (nothing bad about that), and in multi-processor boxes CPU = was accessing RAM tghrugh memory bus. Which means, all CPU were = colliding on slow process: accessing RAM. After some time Itanium faded = away, and Intel gradually moved to amd64 architecture. There are still = some differences (which I can only mention in general): AMD CPU finishes = instruction in 4 ticks of the clock (read: its GHz specification), = whereas Intel CPU takes 6 ticks. Intel CPU has more =E2=80=9Chardware=E2=80= =9D inside, so it effectively can utilize one core for two threads. =46rom= the prospective of sysadmin who had machines sometimes in =E2=80=9Cnot = perfect=E2=80=9D server room (like temperature may get high), AMD = Opteron CPUs are more robust. Someone put it this way: you can boil = water on it, and it still will run. I=E2=80=99ve had the following = (about 10 years ago): they had to do maintenance in the server room, and = for 2 hours the temperature was 96 F (36 C). Some of intel boxes - not = all of them - hot sick. None of Opteron boxes did: they just kept = running. So, historically, I agree with FreeBSD who call it amd64 architecture. = Even though we have mire Intel thank AMD boxes these days. Valeri >> --=20 >> Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 27 16:11:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D501FAA90 for ; 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MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.17)[-0.168,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[147.179.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (4.62), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.19), asn: 34010(1.72), country: GB(-0.08)]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[147.179.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:11:07 -0000 On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 02:41:48 +0000, Manish Jain wrote: >Should I trash this motherboard and buy something >else ? IMO we do not know that the mobo is the culprit. Maybe the culprit is something that is easy to fix. Don't act hastily. Consider to join the forums at https://forums.virtualbox.org/ . From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 27 16:21:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DE91FAE44 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:21:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dark-wolf@ovh.fr) Received: from mo29.mail-out.ovh.net (mo29.mail-out.ovh.net [178.32.228.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485w3J0Q3Wz4XpT for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:20:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dark-wolf@ovh.fr) Received: from he14.mail.ovh.net (he14.mail.ovh.net [5.135.56.155]) by mo29.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BEF4F2B0 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:20:57 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ovh.fr; s=hostedemail; t=1580142057; bh=kwqKEnDTKb+W8qxbna8neLqbV+TGnBrTHwhmQoLfp0g=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:From; b=I1fhyW0zS6XRG7nfR3xfNYFVdF/FCPlOnc6MSyapdKpX4/KZIk9vQ5NTBI6ptgSvn MCdNZPBP89v0cN9SRxPhUdnhbWD+rcG9oy0CeMlpAprIeTjZVqIwuqPrVosBg0TAJv FuU/fB8KnHXMDg/jWv0oFdiGvdHLjRhmDhcXtK0g= Received: from [192.168.43.161] (unknown [93.23.248.64]) by he14.mail.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ECE004AC7FA for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:20:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Subject: all FreeBSD 12 with only jackd From: Dark-Wolf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:20:24 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 1002332392961112580 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrfedvgdekiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjpdevjffgvefmvefgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucehtddtnecunecujfgurhepkffuhffvffgtofgggfesthekredtredtjeenucfhrhhomhepffgrrhhkqdghohhlfhcuoegurghrkhdqfiholhhfsehovhhhrdhfrheqnecukfhppedtrddtrddtrddtpdelfedrvdefrddvgeekrdeigeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdqohhuthdphhgvlhhopehhvgdugedrmhgrihhlrdhovhhhrdhnvghtpdhinhgvtheptddrtddrtddrtddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegurghrkhdqfiholhhfsehovhhhrdhfrhdprhgtphhtthhopehfrhgvvggsshguqdhquhgvshhtihhonhhssehfrhgvvggsshgurdhorhhg X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485w3J0Q3Wz4XpT X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ovh.fr header.s=hostedemail header.b=I1fhyW0z; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ovh.fr; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dark-wolf@ovh.fr designates 178.32.228.29 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dark-wolf@ovh.fr X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ovh.fr:s=hostedemail]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:178.32.228.29]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ovh.fr:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ovh.fr,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[29.228.32.178.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-1.10)[ip: (-9.07), ipnet: 178.32.0.0/15(1.51), asn: 16276(2.08), country: FR(0.00)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[64.248.23.93.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:178.32.0.0/15, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[ovh.fr.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:21:01 -0000 Hi, i'd like to configure an machine as MAO système principaly. I'd would like know witch the process for do that... with ports and userland... Please explain me how can i do... 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Thanks for your answer, I see your point, although there are things that are technically not correct in your statement, and I'd like to comment on them - too many people have misconceptions about Rust. > Rust is big beast, it does not support the same number of platforms as > FreeBSD does=20 FreeBSD uses clang to compile, and clang uses LLVM as a backend, so as Rust. So theoretical number of platforms that both platforms support are the same. Looking at links below I think it is not fair to say that FreeBSD supports more platforms: https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ https://forge.rust-lang.org/release/platform-support.html > and is utterly complex. Well so is clang and llvm, but these are in base. And there are people who would like to have options to have a slimmer base (embedded as an example) >=20 > Not mentioning that cargo, the package manager for Rust is built upon t= he > same philosophy as npm, aka having a separate module for minimalistic > functions. That means even small applications like alacritty requires a= round > ~50 dependencies which is totally insane. Also, building a Rust applica= tion > without internet connection is quite hard (but still feasible). It speaks more about disadvantage of C than anyting else. In C you have only 2 options - hope that necessary dependency is supplied by your operating system (or system's package manager) or bundle the dependecy whith your code. The latter is especially bad because it prevents code re-use, and such dependencies often left unmaintained, because they are hardly relevant to the goal of the main part of the codebase (look at ema= cs for example). With rust you have these options too, but also you have language package manager, so you can re-use the code that is maintained by someone. > Rust is far more complicated language to learn than C. C is so minimal = and > low level that you have already almost the view of what will the code l= ook > like in assembly when writing C, thus being the best fit for kernel and > drivers. I can argue that writing kernel or dirviers requires fair amount of knowledge and skill too, and complexity of Rust in this comparison looks tiny. And Rust's complexity comes with memory safety guarantees, and as we all know memory related bugs are very common in C (simply because humans can't write safe C in general). As Polytropon said - FreeBSD is moving towards modularization of base. So rustc is not going to be included, even more so, I think even clang, sendmail and other non-essential things will be modularized and become optional. My question was not about adding rustc to base. It is more about how to allow low-level software written in Rust available to users. How FreeBSD project can stimulate and ecourage those who want to write kernel modules in Rust: https://kth.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1238890/FULLTEXT01.pdf Without community support these efforts will remain academia experiments and will be forgotten. It is sad to observe how people in this thread unilaterrally sceam "NO!", without even reading into the question. >=20 > --=20 > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= .org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 27 17:02:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF6D1FCE32 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:02:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from geoff.moraes@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf1-x432.google.com (mail-pf1-x432.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::432]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485wzF2sKJz4c68 for ; 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Had a similar experience with VirtualBox on a brand new laptop. Nothing to do with the motherboard, in my case. Take a look at the instructions that come with the pkg. Maybe something was missed? % pkg info -D virtualbox-ose-x.x.xx On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:11:14 +0100 Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 02:41:48 +0000, Manish Jain wrote: > >Should I trash this motherboard and buy something > >else ? > > IMO we do not know that the mobo is the culprit. Maybe the culprit is > something that is easy to fix. Don't act hastily. > > Consider to join the forums at https://forums.virtualbox.org/ . > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 27 17:03:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276AF1FCFE6 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:03:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emu@emuadmin.com) Received: from mail.emuadmin.com (mail.emuadmin.com [108.61.189.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 485x0p0zR4z4cDk for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:03:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emu@emuadmin.com) Received: from mail.emuadmin.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: emu@emuadmin.com) by mail.emuadmin.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F5A81F918 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:03:46 +0000 From: Emilian Ursu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documentation for sysctl MIBs Message-ID: <20200127170346.3jjmyoxkix26wfh6@mail.emuadmin.com> References: <20200127052218.3icxzqtxnbm6raa3@sea-ll-10936> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200127052218.3icxzqtxnbm6raa3@sea-ll-10936> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 485x0p0zR4z4cDk X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of emu@emuadmin.com designates 108.61.189.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emu@emuadmin.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.35 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[emuadmin.com]; IP_SCORE(-3.05)[ip: (-8.91), ipnet: 108.61.188.0/23(-4.45), asn: 20473(-1.84), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:108.61.188.0/23, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:03:55 -0000 Hi, What you're looking for are the man pages that come with the operating system which can be consulted using the command # man The MIB names are suggestive and will clue you in where to look for more documentation. For example hw.acpi.suspend_state has to do with hardware and more specifically with acpi, so the best place to find information about it would be: # man acpi net.inet.ip.intr_queue_maxlen has to do with networking and more specifically with the ip protocol, so the best place to find information would be # man ip # man inet Some options may not be documented in the man page because they are self explanatory or, because you need to have some prior knowledge about them. For example if you want to understand all MIBs in the net.inet.tcp namespace then you will need to have a complete understanding of the tcp/ip protocol for which you will find documentation online especially in the RFCs. In order to find out how to enable powersaving on your wifi card the best place to start is the man page for your wifi card and also # man ifconfig which handles networking. Regards On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 09:22:18PM -0800, Ihor Antonov wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Various manuals and FreeBSD Handbook often instruct user to tweak kernel > parameters with sysctl to achieve something. Although the explanation of > what exactly given parameter is doing is often omitted. > > As a curious person I don't like to follow manual blindly and I always > try to understand what am I doing. So I started looking for > documentation of sysctl MIB's, hoping that rumors that "FreeBSD is > famous for its good and extensive documentation" will turn out to be > true. > > Unfortunately after days of searching and reading the best answer I > could find is sysctl -d > > There is no documented list of MIBs and sysctl -d often gives very brief > one-line explanations, which often create more question. Sometimes there > is no explanation at all: > > # sysctl -d hw.acpi.suspend_state > hw.acpi.suspend_state: > > I have Absolute FreeBSD book on my table, it also does not provide much > insight into how a user can get more information about sysctl MIBs. > > So my question to the community: how do you understand what given MIB is > doing? Where to find more extensive documentation? Is there some kind of > framework that would allow a user to understand when and what needs to > be tweaked (e.g. how to enable powersaving on my wifi card? is this > bootloader tunable? kernel parameter? rc.conf? ...) > > > > P.S. 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Using a "dev" build, rust@1.38.0, `rust-gdb` and gdb@8.3.1 don't seem to get me there. --- I'm hoping for feedback on, or other places to ask, a question about getting debugging info from core dumps from a rust application on FreeBSD. Here's the scenario: I listen to music using the Logitech Media Server ("Slimdevices") ecosystem [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logitech_Media_Server]. There's a plugin [https://github.com/michaelherger/spotty] that lets me listen to spotify, via the librespot library. The application periodically crashes due to a SIGABRT. I'm unable to get debug info from the resulting core files. I'm working on an amd64 FreeNAS system, which runs FreeBSD 11.2 under the covers. I've installed "everything" from packages; in particular - `rustc --version` says: `rustc 1.38.0` - the core gdb is 6.1.1 - the gdb from packages is 8.3.1. I've cloned the application and built it with `cargo build`, which seems to give me a "debugging binary". ``` root@spotty-build:~/spotty/target/debug # file ./spotty ./spotty: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1, for FreeBSD 11.2, FreeBSD-style, with debug_info, not stripped root@spotty-build:~/spotty/target/debug # ``` I ran it by hand in the background and killed it via `kill -ABRT ` to generate a trivial core file so that I can figure out how to get debugging symbols in the deployed application. I think that this is rust-related, but perhaps my gdb skills are just rusty. - If I use the system gdb it seems to have trouble with version of the Dwarf debugging info: ``` root@spotty-build:~/spotty/target/debug # gdb spotty /var/db/system/cores/spotty.core GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"...Dwarf Error: wrong version in compilation unit header (is 4, should be 2) [in module /root/spotty/target/debug/spotty] Core was generated by `./spotty -n poodle'. Program terminated with signal 6, Aborted. #0 0x0000000803182b2c in ?? () (gdb) where #0 0x0000000803182b2c in ?? () #1 0x0000000803176bc1 in ?? () #2 0x00007fffffffad60 in ?? () #3 0x00000008031797cc in ?? () #4 0x000000000001894b in ?? () #5 0x0000000000000001 in ?? () #6 0x00007fffffffadd0 in ?? () #7 0x0000000803180858 in ?? () #8 0x00007fffffffad90 in ?? () #9 0x00000008040162b8 in ?? () #10 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () (gdb) ``` - gdb@8.3.1 (from packages) seems to handle the DWARF debugging info version but still no joy: ``` root@spotty-build:~/spotty/target/debug # /usr/local/bin/gdb --version GNU gdb (GDB) 8.3.1 [GDB v8.3.1 for FreeBSD] Copyright (C) 2019 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. root@spotty-build:~/spotty/target/debug # /usr/local/bin/gdb spotty /var/db/system/cores/spotty.core GNU gdb (GDB) 8.3.1 [GDB v8.3.1 for FreeBSD] Copyright (C) 2019 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type "show copying" and "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "x86_64-portbld-freebsd11.3". Type "show configuration" for configuration details. For bug reporting instructions, please see: . Find the GDB manual and other documentation resources online at: . For help, type "help". Type "apropos word" to search for commands related to "word"... Reading symbols from spotty... [New LWP 100683] [New LWP 100623] [New LWP 100649] warning: Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/100683' in core file. Core was generated by `./spotty -n poodle'. Program terminated with signal SIGABRT, Aborted. warning: Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/100683' in core file. #0 0x0000000803182b2c in ?? () [Current thread is 1 (LWP 100683)] warning: Missing auto-load script at offset 0 in section .debug_gdb_scripts of file /root/spotty/target/debug/spotty. Use `info auto-load python-scripts [REGEXP]' to list them. (gdb) where #0 0x0000000803182b2c in ?? () #1 0x0000000803176bc1 in ?? () #2 0x00007fffffffad60 in ?? () #3 0x00000008031797cc in ?? () #4 0x000000000001894b in ?? () #5 0x0000000000000001 in ?? () #6 0x00007fffffffadd0 in ?? () #7 0x0000000803180858 in ?? () #8 0x00007fffffffad90 in ?? () #9 0x00000008040162b8 in ?? () #10 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () (gdb) quit root@spotty-build:~/spotty/target/debug # ``` - using `rust-gdb` (and setting the path so that it picks up the newer gdb) clears up the debug script issue, but I'm still not getting useful line numbers: ``` root@spotty-build:~/spotty # rust-gdb target/debug/spotty /var/db/system/cores/spotty.core GNU gdb (GDB) 8.3.1 [GDB v8.3.1 for FreeBSD] Copyright (C) 2019 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type "show copying" and "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "x86_64-portbld-freebsd11.3". Type "show configuration" for configuration details. For bug reporting instructions, please see: . Find the GDB manual and other documentation resources online at: . For help, type "help". Type "apropos word" to search for commands related to "word"... Reading symbols from target/debug/spotty... [New LWP 100683] [New LWP 100623] [New LWP 100649] warning: Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/100683' in core file. Core was generated by `./spotty -n poodle'. Program terminated with signal SIGABRT, Aborted. warning: Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/100683' in core file. #0 0x0000000803182b2c in ?? () [Current thread is 1 (LWP 100683)] (gdb) where #0 0x0000000803182b2c in ?? () #1 0x0000000803176bc1 in ?? () #2 0x00007fffffffad60 in ?? () #3 0x00000008031797cc in ?? () #4 0x000000000001894b in ?? () #5 0x0000000000000001 in ?? () #6 0x00007fffffffadd0 in ?? () #7 0x0000000803180858 in ?? () #8 0x00007fffffffad90 in ?? () #9 0x00000008040162b8 in ?? () #10 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () (gdb) ``` I'd appreciate any help, suggestions or ... on how to get useful information about crashed from these core files. Thanks! g. 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From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: <24111.15366.843761.242233@alice.local> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:43:11 -0600 Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <24111.15366.843761.242233@alice.local> To: hartzell@alerce.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.40.2.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4860Xd5PcKz425Z X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; SH_EMAIL_ZRD(0.00)[1.38.0.0,8.3.0.1]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.139.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SH_EMAIL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[1.38.0.0,8.3.0.1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.33)[0.330,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.34)[0.343,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.15)[ip: (0.42), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.21), asn: 160(0.17), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 19:43:14 -0000 > On Jan 27, 2020, at 1:37 PM, George Hartzell = wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hi Folks, >=20 > TL;DR This remindes me the times of old radio amateur communications. When = Morse code was used. There were many =E2=80=9Cstandard=E2=80=9D = abbrebiations then. But these days, when we are typing so fast (excepl = slowing down when doung actual system administration), this kind of = looks out of place for me. Valeri > How can I build a rust application on an amd64 FreeBSD system so that > I can use a debugger to examine its core files? >=20 > Using a "dev" build, rust@1.38.0, `rust-gdb` and gdb@8.3.1 don't seem > to get me there. >=20 > --- >=20 > I'm hoping for feedback on, or other places to ask, a question about > getting debugging info from core dumps from a rust application on > FreeBSD. >=20 > Here's the scenario: I listen to music using the Logitech Media Server > ("Slimdevices") ecosystem > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logitech_Media_Server]. There's a > plugin [https://github.com/michaelherger/spotty] that lets me listen > to spotify, via the librespot library. The application periodically > crashes due to a SIGABRT. I'm unable to get debug info from the > resulting core files. >=20 > I'm working on an amd64 FreeNAS system, which runs FreeBSD 11.2 under > the covers. I've installed "everything" from packages; in particular >=20 > - `rustc --version` says: `rustc 1.38.0` > - the core gdb is 6.1.1 > - the gdb from packages is 8.3.1. >=20 > I've cloned the application and built it with `cargo build`, which > seems to give me a "debugging binary". >=20 > ``` > root@spotty-build:~/spotty/target/debug # file ./spotty > ./spotty: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (FreeBSD), = dynamically > linked, interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1, for FreeBSD 11.2, = FreeBSD-style, with > debug_info, not stripped > root@spotty-build:~/spotty/target/debug # > ``` >=20 > I ran it by hand in the background and killed it via `kill -ABRT > ` to generate a trivial core file so that I can figure out how to > get debugging symbols in the deployed application. I think that this > is rust-related, but perhaps my gdb skills are just rusty. >=20 > - If I use the system gdb it seems to have trouble with version of the > Dwarf debugging info: >=20 > ``` > root@spotty-build:~/spotty/target/debug # gdb spotty = /var/db/system/cores/spotty.core > GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, = and you are > welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain = conditions. > Type "show copying" to see the conditions. > There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for = details. > This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"...Dwarf Error: = wrong version in compilation unit header (is 4, should be 2) [in module = /root/spotty/target/debug/spotty] >=20 > Core was generated by `./spotty -n poodle'. > Program terminated with signal 6, Aborted. > #0 0x0000000803182b2c in ?? () > (gdb) where > #0 0x0000000803182b2c in ?? () > #1 0x0000000803176bc1 in ?? () > #2 0x00007fffffffad60 in ?? () > #3 0x00000008031797cc in ?? () > #4 0x000000000001894b in ?? () > #5 0x0000000000000001 in ?? () > #6 0x00007fffffffadd0 in ?? () > #7 0x0000000803180858 in ?? () > #8 0x00007fffffffad90 in ?? () > #9 0x00000008040162b8 in ?? () > #10 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () > (gdb) > ``` >=20 > - gdb@8.3.1 (from packages) seems to handle the DWARF debugging info > version but still no joy: >=20 > ``` > root@spotty-build:~/spotty/target/debug # /usr/local/bin/gdb = --version > GNU gdb (GDB) 8.3.1 [GDB v8.3.1 for FreeBSD] > Copyright (C) 2019 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later = > This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. > There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. > root@spotty-build:~/spotty/target/debug # /usr/local/bin/gdb spotty = /var/db/system/cores/spotty.core > GNU gdb (GDB) 8.3.1 [GDB v8.3.1 for FreeBSD] > Copyright (C) 2019 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later = > This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. > There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. > Type "show copying" and "show warranty" for details. > This GDB was configured as "x86_64-portbld-freebsd11.3". > Type "show configuration" for configuration details. > For bug reporting instructions, please see: > . > Find the GDB manual and other documentation resources online at: > . >=20 > For help, type "help". > Type "apropos word" to search for commands related to "word"... > Reading symbols from spotty... > [New LWP 100683] > [New LWP 100623] > [New LWP 100649] >=20 > warning: Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/100683' in core = file. > Core was generated by `./spotty -n poodle'. > Program terminated with signal SIGABRT, Aborted. >=20 > warning: Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/100683' in core = file. > #0 0x0000000803182b2c in ?? () > [Current thread is 1 (LWP 100683)] > warning: Missing auto-load script at offset 0 in section = .debug_gdb_scripts > of file /root/spotty/target/debug/spotty. > Use `info auto-load python-scripts [REGEXP]' to list them. > (gdb) where > #0 0x0000000803182b2c in ?? () > #1 0x0000000803176bc1 in ?? () > #2 0x00007fffffffad60 in ?? () > #3 0x00000008031797cc in ?? () > #4 0x000000000001894b in ?? () > #5 0x0000000000000001 in ?? () > #6 0x00007fffffffadd0 in ?? () > #7 0x0000000803180858 in ?? () > #8 0x00007fffffffad90 in ?? () > #9 0x00000008040162b8 in ?? () > #10 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () > (gdb) quit > root@spotty-build:~/spotty/target/debug # > ``` >=20 > - using `rust-gdb` (and setting the path so that it picks up the newer > gdb) clears up the debug script issue, but I'm still not getting > useful line numbers: >=20 > ``` > root@spotty-build:~/spotty # rust-gdb target/debug/spotty = /var/db/system/cores/spotty.core > GNU gdb (GDB) 8.3.1 [GDB v8.3.1 for FreeBSD] > Copyright (C) 2019 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later = > This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. > There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. > Type "show copying" and "show warranty" for details. > This GDB was configured as "x86_64-portbld-freebsd11.3". > Type "show configuration" for configuration details. > For bug reporting instructions, please see: > . > Find the GDB manual and other documentation resources online at: > . >=20 > For help, type "help". > Type "apropos word" to search for commands related to "word"... > Reading symbols from target/debug/spotty... > [New LWP 100683] > [New LWP 100623] > [New LWP 100649] >=20 > warning: Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/100683' in core = file. > Core was generated by `./spotty -n poodle'. > Program terminated with signal SIGABRT, Aborted. >=20 > warning: Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/100683' in core = file. > #0 0x0000000803182b2c in ?? () > [Current thread is 1 (LWP 100683)] > (gdb) where > #0 0x0000000803182b2c in ?? () > #1 0x0000000803176bc1 in ?? () > #2 0x00007fffffffad60 in ?? () > #3 0x00000008031797cc in ?? () > #4 0x000000000001894b in ?? () > #5 0x0000000000000001 in ?? () > #6 0x00007fffffffadd0 in ?? () > #7 0x0000000803180858 in ?? () > #8 0x00007fffffffad90 in ?? () > #9 0x00000008040162b8 in ?? () > #10 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () > (gdb) > ``` >=20 >=20 > I'd appreciate any help, suggestions or ... on how to get useful > information about crashed from these core files. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > g. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jan 27 20:27:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658D322D956 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2020 20:27:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR05-AM6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-am6eur05olkn20812.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:7e1b::812]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4861Wh1lpDz48cW for ; 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I would not have guessed it would the amd64 on an Intel. I was expecting something like "i386", but had no way to check it as both my machines have AMD processors. Thanks again, Clay On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 10:01 PM Ihor Antonov wrote: > On 2020-01-26 21:49, Chris Hill wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Jan 2020, Clay Daniels wrote: > > > > > I'm working on building an efitool program written and used in various > > > linux flavors that I would like to see work on FreeBSD. > > > > [ huge snip ] > > > > > I think I can manage the code, except I don't have an Intel machine to > > > know what "name" uname -m returns on a Intel box running FreeBSD. > > > > > > Can someone with an Intel machine tell me what uname -m returns? > > > > $ uname -m > > amd64 > > > > This is on a: > > CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz (3158.81-MHz > K8-class CPU) > > Same on my Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8850H CPU @ 2.60GHz > > Linux: x86_64 > FreeBSD: amd64 - both baremetal and as KVM guest > > > -- > > Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jan 28 08:18:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C8B1F8FD4 for ; 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FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[145.178.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.41)[0.409,0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (5.55), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.18), asn: 34010(1.72), country: GB(-0.08)]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[145.178.238.77.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 08:18:07 -0000 On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 20:27:25 +0000, Manish Jain wrote: >The second point where I had a doubt is this - all my installations >(Windows 10, FreeBSD, Linux) work with UEFI disabled. Could this be a >UEFI issue ? If yes, it might make things a touch easier for me. AFAIK it isn't an issue. My Intel based Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H was set up to "Legacy only", but Virtualbox always worked. One fine day I experienced issues when booting a Linux from bare metal, while non of my Linux multi-boot machine's Linux installs is set up for UEFI usage, and FWIW all of my internal SSDs, as well as the external USB HDD backup drives are using MBR. However, I migrated from the "Legacy only" setting to "UEFI and Legacy" and got rid of the bizarre boot issues. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jan 28 09:11:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90B41FABF0 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 09:11:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markand@malikania.fr) Received: from smtp.smtpout.orange.fr (smtp01.smtpout.orange.fr [80.12.242.123]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486LTF153Yz4t4T for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 09:11:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markand@malikania.fr) Received: from postfix.malikania.fr ([5.135.187.121]) by mwinf5d53 with ME id vlBP2101K2dbEiD03lBQQ1; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:11:26 +0100 X-ME-Helo: postfix.malikania.fr X-ME-Auth: ZGVtZWxpZXIuZGF2aWRAb3JhbmdlLmZy X-ME-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:11:26 +0100 X-ME-IP: 5.135.187.121 Received: from [167.3.108.158] (unknown [77.159.242.250]) by postfix.malikania.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47EE083B0 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:11:23 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Rust in base To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> <9c564fd6-54e7-218d-dad5-4251488b812c@malikania.fr> <20200127170118.n3yrrtvu5n5n6uxe@sea-ll-10936> From: David Demelier Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:11:22 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200127170118.n3yrrtvu5n5n6uxe@sea-ll-10936> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 486LTF153Yz4t4T X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of markand@malikania.fr has no SPF policy when checking 80.12.242.123) smtp.mailfrom=markand@malikania.fr X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.85 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.95)[0.949,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.985,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[123.242.12.80.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[malikania.fr]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3215, ipnet:80.12.240.0/20, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(1.01)[ip: (1.78), ipnet: 80.12.240.0/20(1.57), asn: 3215(1.71), country: FR(0.00)]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[123.242.12.80.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 09:11:30 -0000 Le 27/01/2020 à 18:01, Ihor Antonov a écrit : > FreeBSD uses clang to compile, and clang uses LLVM as a backend, so as > Rust. So theoretical number of platforms that both platforms support are > the same. Looking at links below I think it is not fair to say that > FreeBSD supports more platforms: > > https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ > https://forge.rust-lang.org/release/platform-support.html This has probably changed, I just remember that it was a common complain on several IRC channels. Happy to see that it's no longer the case. > Well so is clang and llvm, but these are in base. And there are people > who would like to have options to have a slimmer base (embedded as an > example) In contrast to popular belief, clang+llvm codebase is smaller than gcc :-). I'm not huge fan of having compiler in base, but it is required by POSIX. [0] > It speaks more about disadvantage of C than anyting else. In C you have > only 2 options - hope that necessary dependency is supplied by your > operating system (or system's package manager) or bundle the dependecy > whith your code. The latter is especially bad because it prevents code > re-use, and such dependencies often left unmaintained, because they are > hardly relevant to the goal of the main part of the codebase (look at emacs for > example). Libraries are usually well written in both C, C++. They usually don't try to provide minimalist interface for doing anything. Did you remember left-pad fiasco? [1]. I don't see how bundling a dependency is a bad thing, this is common for C/C++ applications under Windows and macOS. Note: even flatpak does it (and I hate that). Note: I try to avoid that if possible though. Libraries (and shared libraries especially) were designed to deduplicate space disk and bring security updates easily. With Rust packages, it is required to rebuild/reinstall all applications if there is a security issue in one widely used dependency. > I can argue that writing kernel or dirviers requires fair amount of > knowledge and skill too, and complexity of Rust in this comparison looks > tiny. And Rust's complexity comes with memory safety guarantees, and as > we all know memory related bugs are very common in C (simply because > humans can't write safe C in general). That's what unit testing is made for if obviously people are enough motivated to write. Hardware drivers are more complicated to test but whatever which language they are written if you don't “communicate” with your hardware correctly it'll still not work. In 16 years of use I never had Linux kernel panic. On FreeBSD I had some but I can count them on my fingers. With direct access to hardware, memory and such, I'd be glad to know how that would be possible in Rust without having at least one `unsafe` block though. > As Polytropon said - FreeBSD is moving towards modularization of base. > So rustc is not going to be included, even more so, I think even clang, > sendmail and other non-essential things will be modularized and become > optional. That's a good thing but I still hope we won't need Rust (or Python, or Perl, or Ruby, or Tcl, etc.) to build base. In my very strong and utopic opinion, base should be built with only POSIX tools other parts should just move to ports. My vision of what base should be is: kernel + POSIX "coreutils" + FreeBSD specific commands (gpart, devd, etc). > Without community support these efforts will remain academia experiments > and will be forgotten. It is sad to observe how people in this thread > unilaterrally sceam "NO!", without even reading into the question. No, there are already people trying this. It's called redoxOS [2]. The difference here is asking to FreeBSD developers which are usually found of KISS, UNIX, simplicity and where C is pretty among those philosophies as well. [0]: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/c99.html [1]: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/23/npm_left_pad_chaos [2]: https://www.redox-os.org -- David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jan 28 10:11:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E21A1FCDC7 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486Mp63y4Yz3Cxq for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:11:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1580206271; x=1582798271; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=44k6SBo71PxZujOVyS06pD/oEYiN+d6QPNEyfOXdsGU=; b=oSmiWe8KD/JaMoPOidesv/6RuCbw+hXDyzIKHMaew2TcC8GTP/4460egpI/AwpUS6I4k9rK5EkXdzp+Iu9bU0LqLHZy9bg5EYqRkG30rAqalmtKFBgc91IJxedVX/M6RX4g424TIyfwbhQgqpu8b7sJzQDGrf7Uzo8jTLfk7gqc= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi42ZTAwMDAwMTQ5NDg3MC5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 28 Jan 2020 05:11:07 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 28 Jan 2020 05:11:07 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1iwNpq-000AHK-2p for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:11:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:11:05 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rust in base Message-Id: <20200128101105.04107c8847aa576b7477ea73@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> <9c564fd6-54e7-218d-dad5-4251488b812c@malikania.fr> <20200127170118.n3yrrtvu5n5n6uxe@sea-ll-10936> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 486Mp63y4Yz3Cxq X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=oSmiWe8K; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.86 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(0.13)[ip: (-0.34), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.65), asn: 7381(0.39), country: US(-0.05)]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:11:11 -0000 On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:11:22 +0100 David Demelier wrote: > I'm not huge fan of having compiler in base, but it is required by > POSIX. [0] It is *really* hard to be self hosting without one. That self hosting requirement is not a trivial thing, it forces a great deal of consistency, correctness, and completeness. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jan 28 12:16:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108E922A719 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 12:16:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hamdi20193d@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x92c.google.com (mail-ua1-x92c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::92c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486QZF6l4Tz3N45 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 12:16:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hamdi20193d@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x92c.google.com with SMTP id 59so4703993uap.12 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 04:16:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MCR6DuFVOjVB+9i2r+QHTTjOh8i4poMgcenMtR9qDWk=; b=tcmNriEiLo27kumo5vlyG20zpFJiV7VZPJZjK+3kbuOq6ti2kKkxoXy0nBwhTAQdx6 6pfTReIYPfSR1Vbj7AlR+linphf6aX1p5Dk4D1gnW5eZLxXBgKfeev64/GvvpY8aTI72 ZAFhgsrdyJOXkesyvTz04K+iu2Q7KSWUtyZCFJy8gk9Xkcjqr8N4LQJObLb8fe1dILw6 M+DU/tY1OktoEtAVHmqPIpXy2JRS1HcygoEoDmeIEairmxmBJE23/JJ7Z2jwl2DxZvLX 400+V6ALjtKwGjKp9ldNwQDLTFKJPx67WczxzXdQaKnlztBeLtGjB8N4fsJm79z7uQbh m4uw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MCR6DuFVOjVB+9i2r+QHTTjOh8i4poMgcenMtR9qDWk=; b=tGI85cyNApbYanixx9EDRr/ba61El1nMyAWtQ8gWEz/7GniXq4l/HyhxUgNKXeFuWn JZu21cgOeY4I0cm0NYB8yZNY7aECtVbDhniFHrgGHyE0i12/JNzq3MjHHluBh7pmEYE7 q4QPcPiWmxeSIraEycUaUA1nDA8zRjOCReuZNeC2XW4NJomYLiTpDZW1QYZ2NVAerY/J HIdNENUsRue7j0BQGWhsfP4v00ob9jtAamV6DIWRqqu2Wug3sebf5odf/T0BdQdUWrsF WJJVIaqMQT7W2/ACZICvREJMqAlylUbCPhn5UEIDxy1utQyWALSaRnDYxJqqmon5zZ6M U8WQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUrwK6YrYyTnaSuJPOjRIbWqWNmhjwGw39DZV2gLZwaydXpyJIi ewnjCwa/E3589JEXjTh+1UUxi9uaSceHqVxs4lzNvMtt X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyLUb44ZiidkUDyfOybKgSWCHHVUyTp4j5JVbFbvJajduiZmP2MLuX4DSChikrmvfadTusNcCiquZTxb2SLcXY= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:3415:: with SMTP id z21mr13028838uap.9.1580213764596; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 04:16:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Handreas Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 15:15:52 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: two NIC - separated IPv4 and IPv6? 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I got 2 NIC cards on my system. My NIC card ix0 has both Static IPv4 and Static IPv6 from the router, working ok. However, I'd like to separate IPv4 and IPv6 on that card, set the ix1: (Not configured) card, to have all (and only) IPv6 connections. How to define IPv4 traffic to ix0 and IPv6 only to ix1 in rc.conf? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jan 28 12:25:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED0722AB73 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 12:25:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 20.100@defert.com) Received: from 1.mo178.mail-out.ovh.net (1.mo178.mail-out.ovh.net [178.33.251.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486QnG5sqdz3NRx for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 12:25:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 20.100@defert.com) Received: from player711.ha.ovh.net (unknown [10.108.42.202]) by mo178.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9429E8BB8F for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:25:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from defert.com (ip-146-0-189-136.dyn.luxfibre.pt.lu [146.0.189.136]) (Authenticated sender: 20.100@defert.com) by player711.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B280E96793E for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 12:25:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Rust in base To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Vincent DEFERT <20.100@defert.com> Message-ID: <60f1ea3e-01f2-bebe-a847-0cf53e50177a@defert.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:25:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: fr X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 2900318162546657284 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrfeeggdeflecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjpdevjffgvefmvefgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucehtddtnecunecujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfesthejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomhepgghinhgtvghnthcufffghffgtffvuceovddtrddutddtseguvghfvghrthdrtghomheqnecukfhppedtrddtrddtrddtpddugeeirddtrddukeelrddufeeinecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhpqdhouhhtpdhhvghlohepphhlrgihvghrjeduuddrhhgrrdhovhhhrdhnvghtpdhinhgvtheptddrtddrtddrtddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpedvtddruddttdesuggvfhgvrhhtrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepfhhrvggvsghsugdqqhhuvghsthhiohhnshesfhhrvggvsghsugdrohhrgh X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 486QnG5sqdz3NRx X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=defert.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 20.100@defert.com designates 178.33.251.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=20.100@defert.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.98 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.933,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:mail-out.ovh.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.968,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[defert.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[53.251.33.178.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.72)[ipnet: 178.32.0.0/15(1.51), asn: 16276(2.07), country: FR(0.00)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:178.32.0.0/15, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 12:25:39 -0000 Besides technical and POSIX conformance reasons, one more thing should be kept in mind: code is written by human beings and multiplying the languages used in a code base hinders their efforts. Also bear in mind that those efforts are made on their spare time, one of our scarcest resource. On 28/01/2020 10:11, markand@malikania.fr wrote: > That's a good thing but I still hope we won't need Rust (or Python, or > Perl, or Ruby, or Tcl, etc.) to build base. In my very strong and utopic > opinion, base should be built with only POSIX tools other parts should > just move to ports. My vision of what base should be is: kernel + POSIX > "coreutils" + FreeBSD specific commands (gpart, devd, etc) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jan 28 12:29:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E64622ADA2 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 12:29:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486Qsg4wpvz3Nbh for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 12:29:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (Ximalas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 00SCTE5P094749 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:29:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ximalas.info; s=default; t=1580214554; bh=k75G/L368dbcp+FuAaF9H5sdXOcv+B1xC8mfs4fGLCo=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=UsDLOvY07fwYGVo+xNloWRnBbcffdCAKHww/kOyCl+MbZENJf/qQGsx8RAqgSUuSw OcX+Rq+vqRa1XmhIfx0Jlwo/KSEQfCjGhEzgj3wxLUJRFTqQMzxgBOzb8jHPASXfAD bKTR7SKu6LQW5+uwxOapMiiahtTA1EKGcz3wte1wPEmp2/yFUZnpuVOV2PQ5W2xFJl EaIC1ejwmF9CmClz1CXCZNNAQlCgrnudTI7cWCtGGfLhFNpwsl6lSqdL3tm7lIbdHi X+TdKz6sVngx/Yw5tTehovoY7sIdXuZYpt59IUfpeY4oYjDhnG/tf5xHujwjCcJxjo 5WwE4CMMY9MyQ== Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 00SCTE9D094677; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:29:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) X-Authentication-Warning: enterprise.ximalas.info: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:29:14 +0100 (CET) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@ximalas.info To: Handreas cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: two NIC - separated IPv4 and IPv6? 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How about these lines in /etc/rc.conf: ifconfig_ix0="DHCP" # Change the value to suit your needs. ifconfig_ix1_ipv6="inet6 accept_rtadv" # Adjust as necessary. # Specify the static routers here: defaultrouter="a.b.c.d" ipv6_defaultrouter="w:x:y:z::1" # Maybe unnecessary in your case. ipv6_default_interface="ix1" -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jan 28 14:48:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E749C22F36A for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486TyT68nBz43dT for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:48:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.13.213]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N0WwO-1jk2W90EyK-00wX8c; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 15:48:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 15:48:36 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Clay Daniels Cc: Ihor Antonov , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: uname -m for an Intel machine running FreeBSD Message-Id: <20200128154836.31b85f93.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200127040151.c52rwhhysqg4dpwk@sea-ll-10936> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:oU9c+ztmtGkeH+mRekBf5lNGqi2Z3s/l+EcGEAT12RqLX4ym4Bu R1BQZ5TyVY7ATsCK7Xs4pQWPuTmuaON4PCtKgwZFpww38UScchkST1+bdCcb/M/zK3gQQ2x 4D2JQl14wvPxtwnzXv9DCscys1BypyWpNP+4X2OoKayB59NrkkDbMt9q/GUuQquxXAjw50t dwGLKtkphD+uB0nasSkDQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Gyrcj8PZmK4=:gn/1V4d9LTP81q4PPF/bEh zfXmLpPkHufbJJjFWhEwdfQI9QWAkaCDQZ4CzooLdoIjp7eypeq5kY5YnIHEKQS4wDUaWldnn 6O4ykLkVjRPIKGTqUqpaNh918JFEvk7Y+liQG29Mi4TeGjDuKeqY33OkGmidF6egDSvLeW3+K yy8H0M6bWWLMNR09607Ab92m2ZZsN1VEaio5Bl0ORFAfvQaW45Wnyy8JYgSM8+ZBGCr1mWbHt eYcwTpwwD1x4WdRjzPHdo1spO9hEVnrWKyhelOwbuwgJhNNOSWnVzpgjH/sVQO3N9Zb95pGml q0aFho6ccNcd8Rr8tatnI9xTudkAYNYdbFPfoKmZ97TN9nAO52Mbj1B2g87PzdFGq/0DWcHWS gdvomwPdNafS8fOUId9svf1MgAFdkwQHH9Kszh9bPg8TQNtB0vbhXToLXAep+fe/Nh8aIiY5O 0QsRA+yC+HMCPFCnDxSvGfnLurqHlySvEsVZQf/3CWX+i2nMg2nRmz7oLwNXoU1j9v4hZrRxW b4+K8+SHPTUd05l/s0Z4f2UyQO3iSWn3NcFvQdchrtPBbNyw5lCbecohvnscQWIllTqhlc8kk TJnngBreosUj08uQGOentxC8Wxp+oy6NHkUxA3r0dUIRm8nWXjekk/hngv+XjcTjikapFQKT9 BytsmJDIYvSQYCPWUIGfd9u/aovClLA2VcrVlfA976GiDmK/s2ATufC7D+cdPfN4vS3IG+Jp+ 57D4x0s4aJQl4yB0gTV+Pm9g6lh9ZkEvVBil3jigPcMir9B63bRFOMn5ImedTz8Wa17UNCdUn jNOCNQC2IXs1RSemHGIjzJjOD9QGo2+G9r5VzqX74ScRqLpC/EFFv9eBAN2y1V1ubWuumoq X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 486TyT68nBz43dT X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.134) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.93 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[213.13.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.996,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[134.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.53)[ip: (1.58), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.14), asn: 8560(2.25), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:48:51 -0000 On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 02:01:15 -0600, Clay Daniels wrote: > Thanks Chris, Ihor, & Valeri. I would not have guessed it would the amd64 > on an Intel. I was expecting something like "i386", but had no way to check > it as both my machines have AMD processors. It's actually just a naming convention: i386 = all Intel, AMD, Cyrix etc. processors of the 32-bit family amd64 = all Intel and AMD processors of the 64-bit family This refers to the _x86_ line of processors. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Neal = wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 03:37:50PM +0000, Manish Jain wrote: >> I was wondering why Rufus is not available under FreeBSD. I think it = is=20 >> one of the most useful applications I have ever come across. >=20 > I kinda hate to say it, but I'm going to go with "because nobody has = stepped > up to do the work" as the reason. That's my guess. It could be done by > anyone with motivation and sufficient skill and then submitted as a = bug > report to be added to the ports tree. >=20 I was going to give two versions of answer. One is polite one as Kevin = gave. The other one is rude one (note, that that answer was supposed to = be addressed to OP, not to Kevin): because YOU, Manish, didn=E2=80=99t take burden of porting and = maintaining it as a package for FreeBSD. Valeri > --=20 > Kevin P. Neal = http://www.pobox.com/~kpn/ >=20 > "What is mathematics? The age-old answer is, of course, that = mathematics > is what mathematicians do." - Donald Knuth > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jan 28 16:25:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3D9232559 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from contact@evilham.com) Received: from yggdrasil.evilham.com (yggdrasil.evilham.com [46.19.33.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486X6S07WPz4B0f for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:25:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from contact@evilham.com) Received: from yggdrasil.evilham.com (unknown [IPv6:2a0a:e5c1:121:1::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by yggdrasil.evilham.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 486X6J28yHz3wfK for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:25:44 +0100 (CET) From: Evilham To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is rufus not available under FreeBSD ? References: In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:25:41 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 486X6S07WPz4B0f X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=evilham.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of contact@evilham.com designates 46.19.33.155 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=contact@evilham.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.47 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.67)[ip: (-9.82), ipnet: 46.19.32.0/21(-4.91), asn: 196752(-3.65), country: NL(0.03)]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[evilham.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:196752, ipnet:46.19.32.0/21, country:NL]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:25:53 -0000 On dt., gen. 28 2020, Manish Jain wrote: > Hi all, > > I had to update my BIOS a couple of days back, and for that I > needed a > bootable DOS USB pen drive. The only way to get this, I believe, > is > Rufus - which is Open Source and is available under Linux. > > sysutils/unetbootin should be able to do the job, but simply > does not work. > > I was wondering why Rufus is not available under FreeBSD. I > think it is > one of the most useful applications I have ever come across. > > Thanks for any inputs. > Manish Jain This rufus? https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#do-you-plan-to-port-rufus-to-linuxmac-ossome-other-os I have used it on Windows at some point and yeah, it's handy; but the author makes a point of it being OSS but heavily dependent on Windows' APIs. 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The only way to get this, I believe, > > is > > Rufus - which is Open Source and is available under Linux. > > > > sysutils/unetbootin should be able to do the job, but simply > > does not work. > > > > I was wondering why Rufus is not available under FreeBSD. I > > think it is > > one of the most useful applications I have ever come across. > > > > Thanks for any inputs. > > Manish Jain > > > This rufus? > > https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#do-you-plan-to-port-rufus-to-linuxmac-ossome-other-os > > I have used it on Windows at some point and yeah, it's handy; but > the author makes a point of it being OSS but heavily dependent on > Windows' APIs. > So, I am really not aware of it being available for Linux either. In this case, a documented procedure, or maybe a shellscript for the ports collection would be a better solution than trying to port something to FreeBSD that is heavily tied to "Windows" (it probably won't work with wine, will it?). I know that it is basically possible to create a filesystem image suitabe for USB sticks that boots into DOS, as I have done this decades ago. The assumption is: It worked decades ago, it should work today. The reality is: Well... ;-) You should not depend on complex solutions (and in this case, only being available for a non-UNIX OS) in order to do something that is, more or less, easy, and does _not require_ "Windows" to be involved in any way. A native solution that works on FreeBSD would be nice to have. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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The only way to get this, I believe, is > Rufus - which is Open Source and is available under Linux. I've dealt with this in the past, and IIRC it's mildly painful but not catastrophic. option 1, DIY, recent BIOS: make an MBR partition, then use newfs_msdos on it. https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=newfs_msdos All my UEFI-ish firmwares support updating their firmware from a FAT partition, it didn't actually need to be bootable. Intel, Supermicro, Dell, even my AS rock thing can cope with this. option 2, FreeDOS if you need something bootable: https://derek.chezmarcotte.ca/freedos-1-1-usb-boot-image already did almost all the work, but if you don't trust random internets then it's feasible to do it from FreeDOS directly. options 3, iPXE boot to DOS. back in the day, this was how we booted Normal Computers anyway. I've not tried it but there is no particular reason why it wouldn't be sufficient. https://possiblelossofprecision.net/?p=2312 for example. In all cases you need to do some legwork to extract the necessary bits off whatever godforsaken image your vendor has forced upon you, onto the USB drive. I generally hand-edit the batch files to avoid needless reboots and changes. A+ Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jan 28 18:41:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D161C23718D for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 18:41:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartzell@alerce.com) Received: from corvid.alerce.com (corvid.alerce.com [206.125.171.163]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486b7503zZz4Mb1 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 18:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartzell@alerce.com) Received: from postfix.alerce.com (76-226-160-236.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.226.160.236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by corvid.alerce.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45CAC9BB45; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:41:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alerce.com; s=dkim; t=1580236894; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=CPgEaIlQSF3aM49wI+vOlJZmgv+9I8i5UHVHBbCVgak=; b=jXGDQks/51G+E25n2eOQ/hIRLw5neJXTuW0HQzGhfhJAQHdvx7CYK9XEu9QMi/WCyxXCSX oW+GbmPXg5hJNqAAb0UnY9xduhkRdRcum67PZDR/xnV/4u9T0pl83aU71tDznOX5Dm1nSu XQ2mSIDEezmFrHKlhkKeFdDOBmhRskSg/cDWwmSziYJMRxVmE8YxFfxloCUJsSjRof7Q5E RatImFJdVrT3Io6/npOfwbonLFd4sCQ0IHq4ut7oyeK5Rce4u0goI6FvrjJyFvxI2OIkkr jym5c685LNmZIfrgzwiKqIA9hJo0smn01dU9F3Ax6ATMgtyVgmz+qTULZR6ffQ== Received: by postfix.alerce.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 28EA9201A2A895; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:41:34 -0800 (PST) From: George Hartzell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24112.32862.85548.483949@alice.local> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:41:34 -0800 To: David Demelier Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rust in base In-Reply-To: References: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> <9c564fd6-54e7-218d-dad5-4251488b812c@malikania.fr> <20200127170118.n3yrrtvu5n5n6uxe@sea-ll-10936> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 26.3 (x86_64-apple-darwin14.5.0) Reply-To: hartzell@alerce.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 486b7503zZz4Mb1 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=alerce.com header.s=dkim header.b=jXGDQks/; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=alerce.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hartzell@alerce.com designates 206.125.171.163 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hartzell@alerce.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.68 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[alerce.com:s=dkim]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[hartzell@alerce.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[alerce.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[alerce.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.68)[ip: (-8.60), ipnet: 206.125.168.0/21(-4.44), asn: 25795(-0.31), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:206.125.168.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 18:41:37 -0000 At the risk of dragging this thread off topic a bit, I've been working with a Rust application on FreeBSD and am having trouble with debugging info. Details here: https://users.rust-lang.org/t/help-building-a-debuggable-rust-application-on-freebsd/37525 Is Rust able to create fully debug-able applications on FreeBSD? g. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 00:16:33 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A3F246A7D for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 00:16:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp10.server.rpi.edu (gateway.canit.rpi.edu [128.113.2.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "canit.localdomain", Issuer "canit.localdomain" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486kYX3h5vz3MCQ for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 00:16:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp-auth2.server.rpi.edu (smtp-auth2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.232]) by smtp10.server.rpi.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id 00T0GMjg069156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 28 Jan 2020 19:16:22 -0500 Received: from smtp-auth2.server.rpi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-auth2.server.rpi.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E25D1A01B; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 19:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.67.1] (gilead-qc124.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.124.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: drosih) by smtp-auth2.server.rpi.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 429D51A018; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 19:16:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Garance A Drosehn" To: "Ihor Antonov" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rust in base Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 19:16:21 -0500 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.1r5671) Message-ID: <8754E837-1BBB-4498-8D4C-532ED7895162@rpi.edu> In-Reply-To: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> References: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: outgoing, @@RPTN) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Hold at 10.10] X-CanIt-Incident-Id: 031U0gmE1 X-CanIt-Geo: ip=128.113.124.17; country=US; latitude=37.7510; longitude=-97.8220; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.7510,-97.8220&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Canit-Stats-ID: Bayes signature not available X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 128.113.2.230 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 486kYX3h5vz3MCQ X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=rpi.edu; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of drosih@rpi.edu designates 128.113.2.230 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=drosih@rpi.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.78 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:128.113.2.225/28]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[230.2.113.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.11.2]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rpi.edu,none]; IP_SCORE(-1.78)[ipnet: 128.113.0.0/16(-4.91), asn: 91(-3.93), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:91, ipnet:128.113.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 00:16:33 -0000 On 24 Jan 2020, at 15:02, Ihor Antonov wrote: > Hi folks, > > As I was reading this article [1] I started wondering what would it > take to bring Rust into base? Examples of Rust code could be kernel > modules, or userland utilities. > > I know that this probably is not going to happen without a real use > case (FreeBSD book states - do not add extra functionality unless a > real task can't be completed without it"), but there is a > bootstrapping problem. Speaking personally, I am pretty interested rust, although I haven't had the time to do much with it. This topic has come up before on other freebsd mailing lists, and realistically rust is not going to show up as part of the base system anytime soon. People need to write compelling applications in rust, where those applications are valuable enough that *they* (those new applications) need to be in the base system. (where "application" could include low-level code such as device drivers) Right now users who are interested in rust can install it via the ports tree. My experience with rust on macOS is that it takes a long time to compile, so I'd suggest using 'pkg install rust' if you want it on FreeBSD. Reminder: I am pretty interested in rust as a language, so you don't need to sell me on the *idea* of rust. But I would not expect to see it as part of the base system in less than 18 months. It would have to come in as part of a new major-version of FreeBSD, and (IMO) it's already too late to get it into what will become 13-release. What you need to do is to get a group of like-minded developers together, and have that group develop some really compelling improvements to the FreeBSD base system which are written in rust. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = drosih@rpi.edu Lead developer@RPI also gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 00:42:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3B2247EBF for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 00:42:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youvegotmoxie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x22a.google.com (mail-oi1-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486l792bWDz3NvK for ; 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IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; URIBL_PBL(0.04)[rust-lang.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-7.17), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.04), asn: 15169(-1.78), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 00:42:14 -0000 > On Jan 28, 2020, at 12:41, George Hartzell = wrote: >=20 >=20 > At the risk of dragging this thread off topic a bit, I've been working > with a Rust application on FreeBSD and am having trouble with > debugging info. Details here: This is quite off topic, would you mind starting a new mailing list = thread? >=20 > = https://users.rust-lang.org/t/help-building-a-debuggable-rust-application-= on-freebsd/37525 >=20 > Is Rust able to create fully debug-able applications on FreeBSD? >=20 > g. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 00:52:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4905D1B035D for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 00:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartzell@alerce.com) Received: from corvid.alerce.com (corvid.alerce.com [206.125.171.163]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486lMW2JfWz3PKk for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 00:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartzell@alerce.com) Received: from postfix.alerce.com (76-226-160-236.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.226.160.236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by corvid.alerce.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD04B9C412; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:52:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alerce.com; s=dkim; t=1580259168; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=EYMscwY66eTye0mdtl9IuZtkxmSlk4fN6SNsWPk2dTc=; b=Ne/Mwikg2FMSXYbCJ4gI92yYtDkx0tpxPdSqn+lBol0fWuSIYMtBGHRG1zFCYgtsEZB/58 LY6Vpc2yLEq+I1mUFTKTqvNhkJwFSBZnzjLC3ChjA4zxt5oGTc+n2hR9Opy0dYABJICpD8 OU9gTSafhXVMihz4a28JoQ67LoPZvhPfV63ZNcXab5AHyS5JxGwntRpwlHgO/d1bt2vObY fuD6UlF4kI1lagbq9lDgHeo8HfTC5NeTySdR3w4j3x0KuvXNUk7xgJG1VSFnCyb4LEh71X nyoKfSg/fsQPkVTeC4SYWIzbivYN3nlCrBcrsIXGarzFJA14eWXfcECn2Hismg== Received: by postfix.alerce.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 78B93201A2C08A; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:52:47 -0800 (PST) From: George Hartzell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24112.55135.404851.866331@alice.local> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:52:47 -0800 To: Michael Beasley Cc: hartzell@alerce.com, David Demelier , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rust in base In-Reply-To: <5B6BE748-5E88-4167-B660-018EC01C6E0C@gmail.com> References: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> <9c564fd6-54e7-218d-dad5-4251488b812c@malikania.fr> <20200127170118.n3yrrtvu5n5n6uxe@sea-ll-10936> <24112.32862.85548.483949@alice.local> <5B6BE748-5E88-4167-B660-018EC01C6E0C@gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 26.3 (x86_64-apple-darwin14.5.0) Reply-To: hartzell@alerce.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 486lMW2JfWz3PKk X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=alerce.com header.s=dkim header.b=Ne/Mwikg; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=alerce.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hartzell@alerce.com designates 206.125.171.163 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hartzell@alerce.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.72 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[alerce.com:s=dkim]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[hartzell@alerce.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[alerce.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[alerce.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.72)[ip: (-8.76), ipnet: 206.125.168.0/21(-4.47), asn: 25795(-0.32), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:206.125.168.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 00:52:56 -0000 Michael Beasley writes: > > > > On Jan 28, 2020, at 12:41, George Hartzell wrote: > > > > > > At the risk of dragging this thread off topic a bit, I've been working > > with a Rust application on FreeBSD and am having trouble with > > debugging info. Details here: > > This is quite off topic, would you mind starting a new mailing list thread? > > > > > https://users.rust-lang.org/t/help-building-a-debuggable-rust-application-on-freebsd/37525 > > > > Is Rust able to create fully debug-able applications on FreeBSD? > > > > g. There's already a thread: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2020-January/287608.html Apologies for the off-baseness of it. Justified it in my head by saying "Why put something in base if it can't be debugged" (but there was a fair bit of self-interest in that justification). Thanks/sorry again, g. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 01:29:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757BA1B12AE for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:29:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eriklauritsen@yandex.com) Received: from forward104o.mail.yandex.net (forward104o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::607]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486m9q198Dz3QVh for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eriklauritsen@yandex.com) Received: from mxback3g.mail.yandex.net (mxback3g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:164]) by forward104o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id BFDE9940AF9 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 04:29:30 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by mxback3g.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id BUq3QfQlwb-TUe8OfAX; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 04:29:30 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1580261370; bh=ZdQtqGV1MUrM3kyIOU7QNyR0+B2K7QRczDAa5jVFHYs=; h=Message-Id:Date:Subject:To:From; b=Cu48SA6xJo43sRvFuTRQy6Tk2kIUhbSC1VcEOBGzo2I0PN9jAndZGtMd5ihPaauBg WWZGwVyeRAzpu8bpYkE8Zo2n9HdSre2fa5l4OrHYWUmMg55kO0IY7v4ijATcAmNTiD X9bCKZPioSTKdvDGQk4YtIHVgpXG3OMvHXN60e7Y= Received: by iva1-7b7a0e393042.qloud-c.yandex.net with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 04:29:30 +0300 From: Erik Lauritsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Worries about pkg for base MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:29:30 +0000 Message-Id: <9050171580261370@iva1-7b7a0e393042.qloud-c.yandex.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 486m9q198Dz3QVh X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yandex.com header.s=mail header.b=Cu48SA6x; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=yandex.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of eriklauritsen@yandex.com designates 2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::607 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=eriklauritsen@yandex.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yandex.com:s=mail]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a02:6b8:0:1000::/52]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.59), ipnet: 2a02:6b8::/32(-4.73), asn: 13238(-3.81), country: RU(0.01)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yandex.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yandex.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[7.0.6.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.d.2.a.1.0.0.0.0.8.b.6.0.2.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:2a02:6b8::/32, country:RU]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:29:36 -0000 Hi, I have always really liked the FreeBSD separation between base and the packages, and I love that you can do a "pkg delete -a" and not worry about the kernel or the base system. Occasionally on Linux, especially in the past, a failed update to some packages renders the entire system unusable, and even Debian with its "apt --fix-broken" and "apt install -f" sometimes just runs in an unended loop unable to fix some dependency mess. With all the work and talk about getting pkg into base, how is this going to work on FreeBSD? Are we going into the same kind of mess as on Linux? Would an "pkg delete -a" then also delete base? Kind regards, Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 01:46:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F8E1B1C38 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:46:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x82b.google.com (mail-qt1-x82b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486mYn4DYrz3RJt for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:46:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x82b.google.com with SMTP id l19so6468626qtq.8 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:46:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=HQ8OvYDhQcPHX6ps6uYnk4bIk0PbLlOAZ6VJ+dXEHNU=; b=tDxoytEoZvKiqzZz2somyuIJ+w0C/GSKhOQQYuR295jiwNSr63GLP37tmMArT0AZrB r9lxy1YjZmcL/shlqWX/sMPrhzqSzwII22y7fT8BRLrpTTcn99y29Of1udKF+yE78G6G q7m0PCVrLJpaciftYlHh369vN7z0SznPRRTNJlOyjQ89rr94DFInRiju9YydqxKZMhhi PRqHK7Ky4uETzVZgQwWrh7Ph5sa+c1HW2irmYe1RnqAKm9deJGVc4JKwksSrycFdcnYl rzfyl1JbSTNt6YAv09D3zbmVsiH/1ssDhi4QjiAQKyHmYzRWXL2epol7fV3dXsInKNFD 6tcw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=HQ8OvYDhQcPHX6ps6uYnk4bIk0PbLlOAZ6VJ+dXEHNU=; b=eKuqOwWhs5ueYCCe19lU4Jg0nwEWBwZGz6xbpP/wa7PRajT0nO492zKTnH+1LoLcoF rMCQCdWmshuwb0HAHrN5DsEuKtR+ApnqXxTqicrsPZZjPQfbtmz6Dy1fyDGp9Y+mIzcg hPcz9yBL3N6a4Vh2K4fFDKDWYAYCWdBKS88bStHJbZM5fkiPE6EoSUW4hIBzT6IeiOlg NltjK8eTZd7AfDIgyR/cmwEjx+2JWHLPeZvAl8bcJqW4maNIbIquwonJrVi4VNnuOjQX FWEnjgiy0QPTkxryXk4bSzR+gqA2oHjG2eGE+UF9PJ/pzxEXlJ2jrGLdP/TaIaeQLNwG LYsw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXMbdq8sDieRvx3lLNZ3oEkTdd/O2+JYje8jLDmmPvznqVAhm2l 8pEXLYNgSOhhiq7M7QlzxX7v2+No9bTkBNSTc4T1TTSavMQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxp7QJQLhCL05tCsZxj1RNlbDZeRynhhoXMgsF20sIHMvZfNqgFHO4eVv+cwE3dk7nZ+CLmta3KlTeuBkTFLBU= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:3853:: with SMTP id r19mr24881512qtb.69.1580262411866; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:46:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9050171580261370@iva1-7b7a0e393042.qloud-c.yandex.net> In-Reply-To: <9050171580261370@iva1-7b7a0e393042.qloud-c.yandex.net> From: Michael Sierchio Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:46:15 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Worries about pkg for base To: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 486mYn4DYrz3RJt X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=tDxoytEo; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kudzu@tenebras.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b) smtp.mailfrom=kudzu@tenebras.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.94 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tenebras.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-2.64)[ip: (-9.32), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.04), asn: 15169(-1.78), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:46:54 -0000 On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 5:29 PM Erik Lauritsen wrote: > > I have always really liked the FreeBSD separation between base and the > packages, and I love that you can do a "pkg delete -a" and not worry > about the kernel or the base system. Well don't do that. nohup rm -rf / & --=20 "Well," Brahm=C4=81 said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is = no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 01:54:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6BC1B2284 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR05-DB8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-db8eur05olkn2030.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.89.30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486mkb07Zhz3x9j for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:54:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=OOzOQZa/5Uvb35OSI+VZwPGsx0SjXjS3FAuGsrouM/2RTWKkiK4dcuxyvZFRarA6dSB7wUmj7OQZu7V7eAa6opINQGi67QGMyWC99uCf0y5d57c1B2PR3sAw0NFmkHAWrsBQq4mPEDr70dAn5c7c5vmUqpdJv5iSpImL/jbJTdBUfFflKJafdYFV0qEiY9ifaK7oZCewF/fe7TxMABPCCSeK5xgftluu/KoF4p/WGiKP9quZzE9iySyhEZ4KOg3sx00qq7tIxkY+l4qe5z242YySLkn8q/BbfieBo3y++bzykEhTmN6BapntCGAc7/WZ5hGV3Tsn4NX7rqAovajByQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=XlH1HaIUFSdP063RE2SnD4KU7+SdflOk/Mk17WjdfqA=; b=gxK1Ggo/6dGD/uyLD6Kg3/mHir4GQ96B8JX4y+djTCXx8zTLpits+wPB6NE8epc8b2e62/4qEjtxecbXw4zBolgTp6W+Oz3Z61uvlqxqZ6O3axHYd0ehFA/PWoqnRnISGiOblAVucwM/k6oGVEreDCfcpdQPLRFo7MbZsbHPMpbwGe247/eLlEKJwbYeToqbtfrxv8W/lYTmDJMxycy4hEOqCT9MfQqL/nNgfh78gtdQXBl22N6MmYWuIWS5q43PAWa39oFXLuKdqHO59lSVYS93fpXjLAzeaLQvIohpCGwxcfB+VOEj3IatCh7e9pLayQT3xsE6goDpSdNY18vcKg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; dkim=none; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=XlH1HaIUFSdP063RE2SnD4KU7+SdflOk/Mk17WjdfqA=; b=hCLXkWNfM/Vwc1t3pBwBOBOknzdSNTAhuErTt4hjFkMCMP/8YsajuMmwilgjL+pEy3kWD98ptraiCQkAhZzKgMJCznZQdH8K/uIZ/RBoInPYRrv65u3lnuViw1VZSRJk1hd4pgYj86Oe7t6DkhqAAF+FmJwL+83LJ8QFiXPUhYd1tgKzd7AfSTqmdVDZlcaqtwBAw5Fz+C5waVFd0sHDMihJ/KQudOiZLFtZS2eC0vusc8zzIY36woqStukFBwrJOZ0bBmhrwiCpZbA8K0Bbti81aL0WY0XFxCWxBRVDycBnlTjCAx71vZ669xft8PZynxBx0TaSN3q+rZooEwevPQ== Received: from DB8EUR05FT037.eop-eur05.prod.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:fc0f::35) by DB8EUR05HT113.eop-eur05.prod.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:fc0f::463) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2665.18; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:54:28 +0000 Received: from DB8PR06MB6442.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.233.238.57) by DB8EUR05FT037.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.233.239.194) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2665.18 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:54:28 +0000 Received: from DB8PR06MB6442.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::a401:c5ea:9494:b900]) by DB8PR06MB6442.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::a401:c5ea:9494:b900%2]) with mapi id 15.20.2665.027; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:54:28 +0000 Received: from fbsd12.local (117.203.16.14) by BMXPR01CA0005.INDPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:1096:b00:d::15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2665.20 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:54:26 +0000 From: Manish Jain To: Polytropon , Evilham CC: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why is rufus not available under FreeBSD ? 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MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 02:37:34 -0000 On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 19:16:21 -0500 "Garance A Drosehn" wrote: > Right now users who are interested in rust can install it via the ports > tree. My experience with rust on macOS is that it takes a long time to > compile, so I'd suggest using 'pkg install rust' if you want it on > FreeBSD. There's another reason for not putting into the base, it would increase the buildworld time a lot and thus impact CI and build farm resources reducing the rate of CI builds and thus impacting quality. Perl was dropped because it was too big. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 03:37:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985111B562C for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 03:37:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486q1N1WkWz43CP for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 03:37:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.13.213]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MjSHc-1jPcFu1uzC-00l0bi; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 04:37:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 04:37:20 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Manish Jain Cc: Evilham , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why is rufus not available under FreeBSD ? 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The only way to get this, I believe, > >>> is > >>> Rufus - which is Open Source and is available under Linux. > >>> > >>> sysutils/unetbootin should be able to do the job, but simply > >>> does not work. > >>> > >>> I was wondering why Rufus is not available under FreeBSD. I > >>> think it is > >>> one of the most useful applications I have ever come across. > >>> > >>> Thanks for any inputs. > >>> Manish Jain > >> > >> > >> This rufus? > >> > >> https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#do-you-plan-to-port-rufus-to-linuxmac-ossome-other-os > >> > >> I have used it on Windows at some point and yeah, it's handy; but > >> the author makes a point of it being OSS but heavily dependent on > >> Windows' APIs. > >> So, I am really not aware of it being available for Linux either. > > > > In this case, a documented procedure, or maybe a shellscript for > > the ports collection would be a better solution than trying to > > port something to FreeBSD that is heavily tied to "Windows" (it > > probably won't work with wine, will it?). I know that it is > > basically possible to create a filesystem image suitabe for > > USB sticks that boots into DOS, as I have done this decades > > ago. The assumption is: It worked decades ago, it should work > > today. The reality is: Well... ;-) > > > > You should not depend on complex solutions (and in this case, > > only being available for a non-UNIX OS) in order to do something > > that is, more or less, easy, and does _not require_ "Windows" > > to be involved in any way. A native solution that works on > > FreeBSD would be nice to have. > > > > > > Hi Poly, > > I fully agree. Perhaps we should our own command, something like: > > mkdosbootdisk [OPTIONS] Exactly, or like mkisofs -o , to create a bootable image that can then be written to a USB stick or an optical medium. I think this would involve some gpart (ex fdisk), newfs_msdosfs, maybe copying files to a mdconfig-based "filesystem in a file", and then dd or cdrecord / growisofs to get it onto the actual target medium. At least I remember that an approach like this worked decades ago. A convenient shell script to incorporate all the parts would be nice to have. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 09:14:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657491D01A9 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 09:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markand@malikania.fr) Received: from smtp.smtpout.orange.fr (smtp01.smtpout.orange.fr [80.12.242.123]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486yVF1Pjpz4LB8 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 09:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markand@malikania.fr) Received: from postfix.malikania.fr ([5.135.187.121]) by mwinf5d01 with ME id w9ES210062dbEiD039ESRq; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 10:14:26 +0100 X-ME-Helo: postfix.malikania.fr X-ME-Auth: ZGVtZWxpZXIuZGF2aWRAb3JhbmdlLmZy X-ME-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 10:14:26 +0100 X-ME-IP: 5.135.187.121 Received: from [167.3.108.158] (unknown [77.159.242.250]) by postfix.malikania.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A2D715266 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 10:14:25 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: David Demelier Subject: Changing hw.acpi.video.lcd0.brightness does nothing Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 10:14:24 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 486yVF1Pjpz4LB8 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of markand@malikania.fr has no SPF policy when checking 80.12.242.123) smtp.mailfrom=markand@malikania.fr X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.73 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.84)[0.841,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.98)[0.976,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[123.242.12.80.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[malikania.fr]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3215, ipnet:80.12.240.0/20, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(1.01)[ip: (1.76), ipnet: 80.12.240.0/20(1.57), asn: 3215(1.71), country: FR(0.00)]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[123.242.12.80.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 09:14:30 -0000 Hello, I have a thinkpad x1 carbon 4th gen. I wanted to give FreeBSD 12 a try and installed it in a USB hard drive. The module acpi_video(4) is loaded and nodes under hw.acpi.video are shown. However, changing values in hw.acpi.video.lcd0.brightness does nothing. It is correctly set but the screen brightness stays the same. Even tried values like 2, 98, etc. # sysctl hw.acpi.video.lcd0.brightness=2 # sysctl hw.acpi.video.lcd0.brightness=95 No change, it worked fine on my HP ProBook (which was more surprising since HP is not ACPI-compliant in many places). What's strange is the value hw.acpi.video.lcd0.active, it is 0 and trying to change to 1 is impossible. Any ideas? -- David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 20:15:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7350E1FC436 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) Received: from sonic301-3.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic301-3.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.129.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 487F8P5zhSz46HX for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:15:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) X-YMail-OSG: WRKPz4gVM1mBEX_bxH3ueQCqhEchVV85LmH43xCOZ1_IRhiqrsip4P3YUHDVG3K k9w2NmWbY44AsQB5gGlrXBZtOWN4X1Z.FFu_akdQc69KrvSJGZyh9h1pCF9w1ZxEPGUES54dhm9w U_c8HAl_s.5epkhSZAYGjP5yogUG93s6244kLvK..y9.Kmhtxgn7pO42Ej40NSfm.1I3H.PawQmq jT7NInxs7ka95Ud0z5EADj4hOfsWKQaW1K.xHNLhppmYyVynQ_pUu.UwHCM.ip6wXs3kAnkLRif3 ZD9NkHKLiMOXrKdDAd3paWlDFPlNCgLkfEibHm8ONQ58cZseTpPdiOie6Nfx0K1Kn_cWpo8PTnIS 0tKP.Osw3hFxHDwm_T5QcnJdvcTIHyP5XFZm65XEVHJfIg0cuxBa3kbC_kebHuL8VEeNPoT2R5QO Z9eFHrjmSJmQcOAlK84M1MixeCCUVzOPoQherau65snFPIsvnQV3mYUUvjL0WkcrZibuu.4v8doS b5RTM8WP18eEjUDEd4jngIUz_bvUhxmod9Go6DSAoSG98hKzNcMwQ1vJxg25LAfmkvlFJdJEranw NN0ysMrTL1fSTqxHQYaylD1qdDo70DeJ3JWnIci2YoBptGUY8wVGJGT57CRZmr5F2iQhWA_DOA7p q29SuBd7_Y7aA1ZUjdcUx.8WLHkzUM.lCqI_DmrYE3l7J0jpQa3b3iti8cpORzNgabBvFga34.O4 NI33cIObEIV8kNFNP20REnYRifkCixuGmHYAcALiVauvotZvZE7rgRkBT8d26AvAQAxqIAW2Wa8O exisOqQC9U2iL.SsOODAa02zVfwY2GKsX9ZispijVt1Usx9M_wVlxs5sIo0D.FNvy4aG53nv56uq r0VuszHCZd3wPPZLiXYN9z2hnLlQsNGv2G._5kPKSevidHteZTq5j6TOnHXw8xRXje0Q_nj71TjN j3U.gnYsw4BQChpmBcDmniNnsXoaM6M8nNxJ7ejCzkO_Zq1ySMhmPhC4_Rb42f4_lkKpBSJF43fZ la_CqyJyB1_LyZrZnymO6kWHDYaBkVU1ptERZTNa8AfoXrBdnLPEIZHb9xunbidmYDel1UB8Z8Rv Sd7.JmC7bhLjeo_VSZXE7JEmt_bN70Kl7Fnb812T7WzyjBUvyFFL3pt074XZ8BGPXBa08YQl5fRq ADPNA_80THZZgAA2mtWu0hwSVPAfZXdgZBbKSpSyjSs61Sg39sHSMY4qegoP64lAmMHtWAMoPROc cNpy4BOp4pzLTXOJWxyLHJ45fBR1HBY.rGenXmiV78JYmDCyzIdyQ4HMwP_0.ZRB2nmJV3qn1kOz zBBmkjP415GGldAxLcF9dLu9XSFKqfTrfzGE7YcM1sxqTNNyVR8uyRdY7sr3xTt7TSzScjWDCD5U pYdUxLfGyGE.j8xekiuU- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:15:00 +0000 Received: by smtp416.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID abd2d2d3c14bff66b892107413999df7; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 15:14:56 -0500 From: "Vlad D. Markov" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Why is rufus not available under FreeBSD ? Message-Id: <20200129151456.a0394d3f8263158b26e92f99@aim.com> In-Reply-To: <20200129043720.d90f1785.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200128174759.38f5db42.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200129043720.d90f1785.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 487F8P5zhSz46HX X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[aim.com:s=a2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:74.6.128.0/21]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[aim.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.01)[0.010,0]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[aim.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[42.129.6.74.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[aim.com,reject]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.06)[0.059,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[aim.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (2.96), ipnet: 74.6.128.0/21(1.28), asn: 26101(1.02), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:15:03 -0000 On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 04:37:20 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:54:28 +0000, Manish Jain wrote: > > > > > > On 2020-01-28 22:17, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:25:41 +0100, Evilham wrote: > > >> On dt., gen. 28 2020, Manish Jain wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi all, > > >>> > > >>> I had to update my BIOS a couple of days back, and for that I > > >>> needed a > > >>> bootable DOS USB pen drive. The only way to get this, I believe, > > >>> is > > >>> Rufus - which is Open Source and is available under Linux. > > >>> > > >>> sysutils/unetbootin should be able to do the job, but simply > > >>> does not work. > > >>> > > >>> I was wondering why Rufus is not available under FreeBSD. I > > >>> think it is > > >>> one of the most useful applications I have ever come across. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks for any inputs. > > >>> Manish Jain > > >> > > >> > > >> This rufus? > > >> > > >> https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#do-you-plan-to-port-rufus-to-linuxmac-ossome-other-os > > >> > > >> I have used it on Windows at some point and yeah, it's handy; but > > >> the author makes a point of it being OSS but heavily dependent on > > >> Windows' APIs. > > >> So, I am really not aware of it being available for Linux either. > > > > > > In this case, a documented procedure, or maybe a shellscript for > > > the ports collection would be a better solution than trying to > > > port something to FreeBSD that is heavily tied to "Windows" (it > > > probably won't work with wine, will it?). I know that it is > > > basically possible to create a filesystem image suitabe for > > > USB sticks that boots into DOS, as I have done this decades > > > ago. The assumption is: It worked decades ago, it should work > > > today. The reality is: Well... ;-) > > > > > > You should not depend on complex solutions (and in this case, > > > only being available for a non-UNIX OS) in order to do something > > > that is, more or less, easy, and does _not require_ "Windows" > > > to be involved in any way. A native solution that works on > > > FreeBSD would be nice to have. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Poly, > > > > I fully agree. Perhaps we should our own command, something like: > > > > mkdosbootdisk [OPTIONS] > > Exactly, or like mkisofs -o , to > create a bootable image that can then be written to a USB stick > or an optical medium. I think this would involve some gpart (ex > fdisk), newfs_msdosfs, maybe copying files to a mdconfig-based > "filesystem in a file", and then dd or cdrecord / growisofs to > get it onto the actual target medium. At least I remember that > an approach like this worked decades ago. A convenient shell > script to incorporate all the parts would be nice to have. > > > > For some reason I wanted a bootable dos usb in the distant past. I found this on my computer: #!/bin/sh # empty the disk of all data dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 bs=1m count=2 # Create a master boot record on the disk gpart create -s MBR da0 # add a 64MB slice (partition) of a type gpart add -s 64m -t \!6 da0 #fat16 #gpart add -s 64m -t \!12 da0 #fat32 # set the first slice (partitiion) active on dev da0 gpart set -a active -i 1 da0 # place the bootcode in the MBR gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr da0 # make file system nd install bootstrap code newfs_msdos -B /home/vlad/mkDos/bootsect -o 63 /dev/da0s1 #newfs_msdos -F 32 -c 1 -S 512 -C 34089472 -B /home/vlad/mkDos/bootsect -o 63 /dev/da0s1 mount_msdosfs /dev/da0s1 /mnt cd /mnt && touch IO.SYS MSDOS.SYS COMMAND.COM cp /home/vlad/mkDos/dosFiles/* /mnt umount /mnt From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 22:44:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308131FA369 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 22:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clay.daniels.jr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x244.google.com (mail-lj1-x244.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::244]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 487JSg225Tz4JmY for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 22:44:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clay.daniels.jr@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x244.google.com with SMTP id n18so1170619ljo.7 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:44:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ne8ni+QNdL9sxf5QOcEfbkC5UE3Z6+IrGEXVBBP2Pvg=; b=KGDR8n1wrozNvIFiV55MUjIGmL4BGHPkLN/YPLc9bK56MwoBhAokO3TEZRcsLNxlRH wJT/c0pHIsp1i3J7eiq1hS9smvfMVpl6/RS9m6GrZx6RIRU8BJUYqVAvfbwae4MVRDZC JzrBXsmZPdJGzpCt7QDxd8J80N3qSIlhZsp3cJJkMnX+t1yYK5lD/brJpsAArT2nar08 jMYblhdhLe0IlS0ZhdKoFGawDnZJucY0WauAMShDZQ6p4N+ecW2HFgohYfVhhKEwNEmY 2wNct1gnv68F0VaCAC07d8LfGHqBsI9qK+vsNNppcIlzjYbrf08xRv02DVQT2+LZsQf8 jyyw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ne8ni+QNdL9sxf5QOcEfbkC5UE3Z6+IrGEXVBBP2Pvg=; b=Mlh7cOj+cG5KC2VtDolvZG+yAtkS6YMLEYPVQv1GzCJ2LV76aDUBd6RZ9pmjuLqJUA aABe1QKK9y95wKzHqhtRtIsBFPpfLV7RevCmK8WSEt0CenlN6mICnECoOCbe5kXAFXNV F7Vsw9VHU3DqKtIG5O12zJNwhfUixsOW/XIyW3QxH5MGFehtBGL1PjghV/mzD9Ztzxiv OlUvjnhKLAIra2R1ricnnNhTtMTdM1RvvCIHelTUQHAw+a/mYgYBSG2BdlaIkJ90krWC 5iGNAzDyQXFmtBfsbSY2WCTPWZLrKmwE2pII/QOXgUKfT1BwXKcHXNQ8sUBjey8q2oN8 GEag== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWkYBfd+kA72cgSZz7MQDHI+ayGUZlrc9DidH22gwVgV8LJ9Cnj S85O5dRL1plM0OWoW29fL6QhICX2tNBk8swD6g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyl247wVP0xi1MZfCvGM+62r+Sz+wjDVVvzIPsoTVk0yQSlJAEdDOqIxgHOjKzugoofDtHiQHJ46eIwfj5QKiE= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9052:: with SMTP id n18mr826259ljg.251.1580337857282; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:44:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200128174759.38f5db42.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200129043720.d90f1785.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200129151456.a0394d3f8263158b26e92f99@aim.com> In-Reply-To: <20200129151456.a0394d3f8263158b26e92f99@aim.com> From: Clay Daniels Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 16:44:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why is rufus not available under FreeBSD ? To: "Vlad D. Markov" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Polytropon X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 487JSg225Tz4JmY X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=KGDR8n1w; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of claydanielsjr@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::244 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=claydanielsjr@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[aim.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (2.79), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.52), asn: 15169(-1.78), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 22:44:20 -0000 Vlad, that's a nice little .sh script that shows several things new to me. I normally use the gpart manpage examples and never thought about active, bootcode, etc. I will keep this handy! There is a something else to consider: Rufus is for USB only. That's fine for .img bootable files, but there it no guarantee you can write a .iso file to a USB stick and get it to work right. I know, I've done it many times, with varying success. FreeBSD is good about providing .img & .iso versions, but a lot of distros just give you an .iso, which is intended to be put on a cd/dvd (*ISO* 9660). Thanks for the script. Clay On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 2:15 PM Vlad D. Markov via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 04:37:20 +0100 > Polytropon wrote: > > > On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 01:54:28 +0000, Manish Jain wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 2020-01-28 22:17, Polytropon wrote: > > > > On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:25:41 +0100, Evilham wrote: > > > >> On dt., gen. 28 2020, Manish Jain wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Hi all, > > > >>> > > > >>> I had to update my BIOS a couple of days back, and for that I > > > >>> needed a > > > >>> bootable DOS USB pen drive. The only way to get this, I believe, > > > >>> is > > > >>> Rufus - which is Open Source and is available under Linux. > > > >>> > > > >>> sysutils/unetbootin should be able to do the job, but simply > > > >>> does not work. > > > >>> > > > >>> I was wondering why Rufus is not available under FreeBSD. I > > > >>> think it is > > > >>> one of the most useful applications I have ever come across. > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks for any inputs. > > > >>> Manish Jain > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> This rufus? > > > >> > > > >> > https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#do-you-plan-to-port-rufus-to-linuxmac-ossome-other-os > > > >> > > > >> I have used it on Windows at some point and yeah, it's handy; but > > > >> the author makes a point of it being OSS but heavily dependent on > > > >> Windows' APIs. > > > >> So, I am really not aware of it being available for Linux either. > > > > > > > > In this case, a documented procedure, or maybe a shellscript for > > > > the ports collection would be a better solution than trying to > > > > port something to FreeBSD that is heavily tied to "Windows" (it > > > > probably won't work with wine, will it?). I know that it is > > > > basically possible to create a filesystem image suitabe for > > > > USB sticks that boots into DOS, as I have done this decades > > > > ago. The assumption is: It worked decades ago, it should work > > > > today. The reality is: Well... ;-) > > > > > > > > You should not depend on complex solutions (and in this case, > > > > only being available for a non-UNIX OS) in order to do something > > > > that is, more or less, easy, and does _not require_ "Windows" > > > > to be involved in any way. A native solution that works on > > > > FreeBSD would be nice to have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Poly, > > > > > > I fully agree. Perhaps we should our own command, something like: > > > > > > mkdosbootdisk [OPTIONS] > > > > Exactly, or like mkisofs -o , to > > create a bootable image that can then be written to a USB stick > > or an optical medium. I think this would involve some gpart (ex > > fdisk), newfs_msdosfs, maybe copying files to a mdconfig-based > > "filesystem in a file", and then dd or cdrecord / growisofs to > > get it onto the actual target medium. At least I remember that > > an approach like this worked decades ago. A convenient shell > > script to incorporate all the parts would be nice to have. > > > > > > > > > For some reason I wanted a bootable dos usb in the distant past. I found > this on my computer: > > #!/bin/sh > > # empty the disk of all data > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 bs=1m count=2 > > # Create a master boot record on the disk > gpart create -s MBR da0 > > # add a 64MB slice (partition) of a type > gpart add -s 64m -t \!6 da0 #fat16 > #gpart add -s 64m -t \!12 da0 #fat32 > > # set the first slice (partitiion) active on dev da0 > gpart set -a active -i 1 da0 > > # place the bootcode in the MBR > gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr da0 > > # make file system nd install bootstrap code > newfs_msdos -B /home/vlad/mkDos/bootsect -o 63 /dev/da0s1 > #newfs_msdos -F 32 -c 1 -S 512 -C 34089472 -B /home/vlad/mkDos/bootsect > -o 63 /dev/da0s1 > > mount_msdosfs /dev/da0s1 /mnt > cd /mnt && touch IO.SYS MSDOS.SYS COMMAND.COM > cp /home/vlad/mkDos/dosFiles/* /mnt > > umount /mnt > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 23:00:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216F11FAF27 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 23:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x735.google.com (mail-qk1-x735.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::735]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 487Jqs2NDwz4L8j for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 23:00:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x735.google.com with SMTP id w25so1099900qki.3 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 15:00:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/HT9tgZoeuIEKl3Q160Nc6+Za02VQV9ncDKYPuQVLZo=; b=kMdVzQSX95NW5O2PdgI0eqDNFtS4bKCHdvp1O1c711cLeDB3WReVvdkBM5lKI+Qhfo G4874IyS6BZqQinm1bgY2TLCxyo+PxiW7lCD1AVOazPUTicBajwSdeacaszPM5D+mZje Q8VP4/Ux86Bf+WdmokIHRyBmNibWnfBEsOrCBVjya/HQB/OKJVY4Kgua0rP3OlarTlOU 5wDylWT1J9EJHqttwJL0QQJ3/hlHlb93j/OfqiKfD1PMwuz5Y3+N3tOvM6sQKq5WyQs1 mYrsqpkCGUjUThlUWEITsuuKGDnqXkVa8MbY8F+lOyLXBb/JAqGVByMA2t96sfNHK10p ciig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/HT9tgZoeuIEKl3Q160Nc6+Za02VQV9ncDKYPuQVLZo=; b=ktMrVx3hxUos48Hy8s/06lfaOKAABMCTUo46Vws3vPuujY9Mj/GdLF+A4DUYyXsA7T ZreJ+mNcjoY5eJouGRbwEhgG0n4MQve4idBZa1odS27eCdlZLDfFWxW5ZiMVxvJFLg0P 4bDgfZNehkD/aU0w5JsEIKozvkdDEBiex8j3Acc+MxiQlpVutZPXfzFAlNIDEaxxGhvc STJMKvuCLeCodmJ+3TB/6yCBL32F+B1t8v0RSIaHbZHF9M5Rn66InFmUX5lvv526uhMK U1WR6le4z/UaPl09JYhZ0H+/OGSxssOopijAeMoQJLpbD3dqGVpu5nOS1nJyvNrjUTee k+zg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXcTKGrAMwkLJyQYlC3EILNwWcsL+TUbphXJfrilnZovOyghUsw UNMnhvlTDLpfSaEVYsFz1d1pt/IfwEQTwNRIC02deSUJhuqdAA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzQKgdpHIaJdcdVZ92zubZ8vuNoQCiA7FYP2zh+OZN3KMXfrv6Xx11QvhxEa90+mVdf9Yg5hI9zEGDSWtzElVQ= X-Received: by 2002:a37:6cc1:: with SMTP id h184mr2318049qkc.96.1580338856085; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 15:00:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200128174759.38f5db42.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200129043720.d90f1785.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200129151456.a0394d3f8263158b26e92f99@aim.com> In-Reply-To: <20200129151456.a0394d3f8263158b26e92f99@aim.com> From: Michael Sierchio Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 15:00:20 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why is rufus not available under FreeBSD ? 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On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:15 PM Vlad D. Markov via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: For some reason I wanted a bootable dos usb in the distant past. I found > this on my computer: > > #!/bin/sh > > # empty the disk of all data > dd if=3D/dev/zero of=3D/dev/da0 bs=3D1m count=3D2 > If you're going to create a gpart partition scheme to the disk, you want to erase the beginning and end (in the case there was already gpart scheme) BOOTSIZ=3D"128k" DISK=3D"$1" offset=3D`diskinfo $DISK | awk '{ print $4 - 128 }'` dd if=3D/dev/zero of=3D/dev/$DISK bs=3D${BOOTSIZ} count=3D1 dd if=3D/dev/zero of=3D/dev/$DISK seek=3D$offset Or the equivalent.. > # Create a master boot record on the disk > gpart create -s MBR da0 > > # add a 64MB slice (partition) of a type > gpart add -s 64m -t \!6 da0 #fat16 > #gpart add -s 64m -t \!12 da0 #fat32 > > # set the first slice (partitiion) active on dev da0 > gpart set -a active -i 1 da0 > > # place the bootcode in the MBR > gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr da0 > > # make file system nd install bootstrap code > newfs_msdos -B /home/vlad/mkDos/bootsect -o 63 /dev/da0s1 > #newfs_msdos -F 32 -c 1 -S 512 -C 34089472 -B /home/vlad/mkDos/bootsect > -o 63 /dev/da0s1 > > mount_msdosfs /dev/da0s1 /mnt > cd /mnt && touch IO.SYS MSDOS.SYS COMMAND.COM > cp /home/vlad/mkDos/dosFiles/* /mnt > > umount /mnt > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 "Well," Brahm=C4=81 said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is = no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 23:29:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9DD1FBC3A for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 23:29:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 487KST42Psz4MDv for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 23:29:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.13.213]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1McpaE-1jVjcX29Yo-00a0mq; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 00:29:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 00:29:07 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Michael Sierchio Cc: "Vlad D. 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Markov via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > For some reason I wanted a bootable dos usb in the distant past. I found > > this on my computer: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > # empty the disk of all data > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 bs=1m count=2 > > > > If you're going to create a gpart partition scheme to the disk, you want to > erase the beginning and end (in the case there was already gpart scheme) > > BOOTSIZ="128k" > > DISK="$1" > > > offset=`diskinfo $DISK | awk '{ print $4 - 128 }'` > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/$DISK bs=${BOOTSIZ} count=1 > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/$DISK seek=$offset > > Or the equivalent.. Does this require the use of # sysctl kern.geom.debugflags=16 to allow writing to the device as shown above? It shouldn't be needed, if I remember correctly (only if the drive to be modified is the drive FreeBSD is booted from), but I could be wrong... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jan 30 08:10:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D26230CF7 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:10:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 487Y2D6Q8Lz3KdS for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from guardian.ventu (93-63-105-18.ip27.fastwebnet.it [93.63.105.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 00U8AZCn043142 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:10:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host 93-63-105-18.ip27.fastwebnet.it [93.63.105.18] claimed to be guardian.ventu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Andrea Venturoli Subject: Back up to disk automatically when disk is inserted Message-ID: <12be8560-91ac-f800-4ca2-84175227d280@netfence.it> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:10:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.83 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 487Y2D6Q8Lz3KdS X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; IP_SCORE(-1.49)[ip: (-7.58), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-3.79), asn: 30722(3.87), country: IT(0.03)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:10:46 -0000 Hello. In an installation of mine, I need the customer to be able to insert an HD and have the server take a backup automatically to it. I labeled the HD and set up a devd configuration file like this: notify 200 { action "/usr/local/sbin/backup_to_disk.shot"; match "type" "CREATE"; match "cdev" "label/BackupHD1"; }; It seems to works perfectly, except for a thing: if the machine boots with the disk already connected, it will start a backup. Is there a way to avoid this? Can devd distinguish already-existing-at-boot labels from after-boot-plugging-in? Failing this, is there some way for my script to check whether the boot process has already ended? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jan 30 13:20:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91AA02397EC for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:20:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 487gwB21GXz46bX for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:20:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.25.133]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MY60J-1j54mQ1n37-00YPgv; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:20:47 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:20:46 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Back up to disk automatically when disk is inserted Message-Id: <20200130142046.c1dc5c57.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <12be8560-91ac-f800-4ca2-84175227d280@netfence.it> References: <12be8560-91ac-f800-4ca2-84175227d280@netfence.it> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ZSJxX3c/zbzXg2fKOSXmOAm0uVxyYRtx0i/11M8IbD2CYy0D6FC VgUmicAkMcTIi8t4S0qVGq1Gxa3F03/8MJMElGE/L+y3JmHSeZ+8fxTfychsURHSpIp2LQ7 fzB3Uhc3FEpyp4xTT5kNOE0D4TyJ7J8ShEWPGaN8Dnf7hDudWBt+t+ig2nTuDZ35lq7kkRz mq904D/05bqlELDs7CX2g== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:gO/QMFgU2pU=:JmJ2nsjjG/zrNw0BEuFbwp MgWi1pQxbbIeZUDSnIWEvTLKXysFQzHjgBEQn72ANNIzTYNBMdlbmSfvrqubgLwHVN/YFtEe8 5j4ddz57RvWiB/B6NRL5qhD4gCYPqCz9+s1ni8CcM7LmZ9jQV1lYPesfwKQ4N4T0ot3RKN/nW HStBv07RLjdTjekfIG8auDrZgpXZg2fGeFvlzRyMxjEC73/N4R4CWu84hWKkfiG/AiLu+Zd2k zsZW7opQ6+yu0HHzorp59HUb+FNlC7DRENbbN9v5+IO7xHmjiKD/KENU8Gq+KFJaCTJSv/m+8 5jcyZK0XfhxAhq7eskBtoAJbS026lcSeev4LeWXukNbRnT/7hb55lRR4IHwToT5+eh9dY3rIZ 5RUX9AcC5efEnHSB+maBy+mzStJUcKgDPik30l/Ad7maFEjDJsVDPCrxwmfHd+g1dtwbOVWlc naSBibv4z2qkYO3G8z3OZeOqX+uMDpok7OD9lK6RlXRB1cenp5/EukJF5dgMsZGbpHR2+FUVc a72EXg0IjYqoxhCw7NcJsAYCOKKfuaKJyvAGUHZ3jf0QKK2u9p6lP77QFbaDby+qqDw1PDLjV kwBc5xQrXhyoBxldLGnXJuXc0Z/zbG7/0XK/zVRZ4Ej0ijz0IJhqA+40o9qZG7sDFilylCKDz QTYmgzGygWU8V+OphWqN/rnSPUPGgdcHpkhlqtlziukfepOxB+N4kpQWcBNahKVtOSAgBZbd4 ZFdMYdyXNYJM6NJQ8Pnwu8XbW6HvQ9CEPtuYY1L7EqvSpTIxz5F8uMAHp21qoaHUSlj6RKwqp UM7yOi2y72mCW8NfZJhjNbEaizNeC4YLDxVuxBR8DzKJcEYOQAzm4GlWrg4fWn4elKlYVkK X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 487gwB21GXz46bX X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.73) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.93 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[133.25.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.987,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[73.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.54)[ip: (0.21), ipnet: 217.72.192.0/20(0.28), asn: 8560(2.25), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:20:59 -0000 On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:10:35 +0100, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Failing this, is there some way for my script to check whether the boot > process has already ended? You could do the following: Check /var/log/messages and look for the _timestamps_ of 1. system boot messages (pick a unique one) 2. disk insertion messages (pick suiting one) If the timestamps are within a certain range, the disk must have been inserted already, so the backup script would exit. If not, i. e., message timestamps differ "too much", the disk has been inserted "just now" (you can compare this with the _current_ system time), and the backup process can begin. I know, very unelegant, but will probably work. This is the case of makeshift workarounds that lasts forever... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jan 30 14:53:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E343E23BB65 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:53:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 487jz31p9Dz4Cdx for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1580396015; x=1582988015; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=wUdQN87mMu45zV40z+nlZ3yNO/NqfG9Scfo0SvWDq5E=; b=mB+h4SQhWY0bYKHtG76YfJi1aacP9tEUc0crVA0OB6eB3mkmxHvOiDzc1aSDsYm/dzdWgBpX3/GmpbYoMi14p3kk/GIizeK037kPfWMP+03eAWRQrsQgy4YnN6bZaNHYV7thzLDHC94RXxoHdefVD++VsBCLk4TK3NnQ5x3noJk= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi42ZTAwMDAwMThlY2Q5ZC5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.190.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:53:25 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:53:23 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ixBC4-000Lts-Jt; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:53:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:53:20 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Polytropon Cc: Andrea Venturoli , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Back up to disk automatically when disk is inserted Message-Id: <20200130145320.dbee4bc33ac4d6e7cf73604c@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200130142046.c1dc5c57.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <12be8560-91ac-f800-4ca2-84175227d280@netfence.it> <20200130142046.c1dc5c57.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 487jz31p9Dz4Cdx X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=mB+h4SQh; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.85 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.983,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.13)[ip: (-0.33), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.64), asn: 7381(0.38), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:53:36 -0000 On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:20:46 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:10:35 +0100, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > > Failing this, is there some way for my script to check whether the boot > > process has already ended? > > You could do the following: Check /var/log/messages and look > for the _timestamps_ of Slightly less inelegant, compare the inode change timestamp of the device entry with the last reboot time. In shell ls -lc /dev/whatsit and last reboot will get the data - if they differ by more than a minute it wasn't there at boot. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jan 30 20:20:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2271F1FD40D for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:20:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 487sDm0QXZz4bbT for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.25.133]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MxV4T-1jllV63rXV-00xuSR; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 21:20:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 21:20:53 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Back up to disk automatically when disk is inserted Message-Id: <20200130212053.70be690d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200130145320.dbee4bc33ac4d6e7cf73604c@sohara.org> References: <12be8560-91ac-f800-4ca2-84175227d280@netfence.it> <20200130142046.c1dc5c57.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200130145320.dbee4bc33ac4d6e7cf73604c@sohara.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:eOO/bUY85bWqYkx5ipJjWh1+9DeI7TRnTiHHbfrmN3UVqdcX8T1 oWP//droHCZf39Oaw6/kirAHjYkVUfQQz6gxHda9PvWk38MGyO8aorZ6GLqoSxMFqMIsz+b X776LsMPYjF1dA7ammVoeUkX7mNiFB92gqCgCh7Pg6nXrB4Y6ZbA03witj/2QD73MDj3v5w txS4lYBTWLbVp0mHj8YoQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:S+ftQZtxNI4=:rlw8bGtQQmeaAdNKG8fPiW yBEHjO7z32LLHIqxAlDFSirVit44sNgqNpSe2j/bUUVxyfRIZKBnz1QCKvtRxnOg1VHBTxS74 AGiA3Au3d9gNsCzxIC5mRwQbgSOKTLVOv59mo6tguyVleqDVvXssIj96sRBqmRi5NuijOXZIy aNtc0uwTCikVDpeOv1D068SCgCLCj1K/iXF1A6PPaDfbcCuulW5PiomhYr/VwTUhYNn59TtmB 3DT/ub2QsiAXissOjLQYpwNeVLLoGPNEmLN74P7V+VQxltQ9wZPwGGZRCh8av/1RJtw82wTKJ cI5UGUuHuPzmu2mfWiQjGm44IM1mGAXThjTJ53S5YbW7vTbZ6KFrCbYQT/NRVpyUM0FhQkReI Zf8C0egP2E7h2TEJ+zSDADH7FaGUoAXjFQUWFienLN5Cor0A4BYdI7ETRLAKR94yg0Bhegu40 C/FvuhHCrh+vOsbLxaiEttnAYubiCyhrRj8GVh1JUpRXnV914DQ8l6hSdOZDM8gPfeN7Uubax 43sCx3AT1DJNVGFOGxymLswRP/yEOBs7l35eBExPDX0Z1FmH2kqSI+brL34+N3MFT34teyioQ FXMyII5w917V6SJHB/8J0k3Wn4xGm8wwk9gQYk92enSRMllRAAQAzVJHK21vG2vGt2c4I7SjL jRuIiyEyJYjiA8Y83vJnDvEwqG6huvGnQoXZVqXpLrU3ehgzR4QpJ3NNcMEdbHEYX0l7NLXAp MRi7QSxDA4X+jIC84/DZt5dfMxBztDeYaFOpIRt5A5naWV4rVPjBtuKfJP3ZsGItrl2gUrCjO EgS+2J7cNt8F3K1IZ4F+KssYqIbau68bGiXy9kFe+pcRDl+U4QKht5ajwc8ra58QNw43Csn X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 487sDm0QXZz4bbT X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.130) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.02 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[133.25.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.989,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.64)[ip: (2.07), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.13), asn: 8560(2.25), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:20:57 -0000 On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:53:20 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:20:46 +0100 > Polytropon wrote: > > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:10:35 +0100, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > > > Failing this, is there some way for my script to check whether the boot > > > process has already ended? > > > > You could do the following: Check /var/log/messages and look > > for the _timestamps_ of > > > > Slightly less inelegant, compare the inode change timestamp of the > device entry with the last reboot time. > > In shell ls -lc /dev/whatsit and last reboot will get the data - if > they differ by more than a minute it wasn't there at boot. Your solution is _more_ elegant than mine. The significant advantage is that the /var/log/messages file might experience a logfile turnover and therefore be empty. Depending on log rotation policy, files can be quite big, and grepping requires more time than parsing a distinct ls output. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 31 14:36:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD55B2416B2 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 14:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488KXx6Gs0z3CRP for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 14:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 00VEaJJZ060778 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:36:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Back up to disk automatically when disk is inserted To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <12be8560-91ac-f800-4ca2-84175227d280@netfence.it> <20200130142046.c1dc5c57.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200130145320.dbee4bc33ac4d6e7cf73604c@sohara.org> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <5f17ee88-87d1-702f-dd34-3cf8d38a6494@netfence.it> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:36:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200130145320.dbee4bc33ac4d6e7cf73604c@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 488KXx6Gs0z3CRP X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.31 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; IP_SCORE(-1.51)[ip: (-7.63), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-3.82), asn: 30722(3.87), country: IT(0.03)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 14:36:34 -0000 On 2020-01-30 15:53, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:20:46 +0100 > Polytropon wrote: > >> On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:10:35 +0100, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >>> Failing this, is there some way for my script to check whether the boot >>> process has already ended? >> >> You could do the following: Check /var/log/messages and look >> for the _timestamps_ of > > > > Slightly less inelegant, compare the inode change timestamp of the > device entry with the last reboot time. > > In shell ls -lc /dev/whatsit and last reboot will get the data - if > they differ by more than a minute it wasn't there at boot. > Thanks for all the suggestions. Is there no way to check whether the "login:" prompt is ready? Would "ps ax|grep getty" work? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 27 11:58:46 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C621A96E3 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from blaine.gmane.org (195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no [195.159.176.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47NK6s6SBWz40wF for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iZvjH-0014wt-Rg for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:43:31 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Amit Yaron Subject: zipgrep fix Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.1 X-Mozilla-News-Host: news://news.gmane.com:119 Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47NK6s6SBWz40wF X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org has no SPF policy when checking 195.159.176.226) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [7.06 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_1(0.50)[195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.98)[0.982,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(1.38)[ipnet: 195.159.0.0/16(4.17), asn: 2116(2.72), country: NO(-0.01)]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.997,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[amit@phpandmore.net,freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2116, ipnet:195.159.0.0/16, country:NO]; FORGED_MUA_THUNDERBIRD_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[amit@phpandmore.net,freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:59:53 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:58:47 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:43:20 +0200 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:58:47 -0000 Hi, I fixed a bug with "zipgrep" on my computer today, so I will not get "unzip: illegal option -- -" anymore. The invalid option was "-p-L", so I changed it to "-p -L". It is a shell script. Notified the developers on http://infozip.sourceforge.net/zip-bug.html Have a great day! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 27 23:31:49 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402D71BB9CD; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clay.daniels.jr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x242.google.com (mail-lj1-x242.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::242]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47NcVX2NBsz3Ftv; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clay.daniels.jr@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x242.google.com with SMTP id j6so17341981lja.2; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:31:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=lBuSzM19M8Sl1IwNbCxuRh5X/WokS9f0NZ0aJp/D6yg=; b=h73rIgHaGvMNdQ84V184wLYC0vaLibpX9X0Lti1S8HBsRE8b1t16RI9PEZkiQduWHY 1ytpHwYtt2wt3naoA1mMxj/j+gyXt04MVcPqGrj+cI0Gq9BDAfinf9ll3/qY/o/gFi8W ZRDxpMY0HRo6U0UCtgacRpDOgQXkyr4gwWRi9icbwEgP/X/HrPbSN1DqmaDd09EOAIjk B8JYUAlZ/ZgT0NwWi42/vrbWy/xjJmALDhPY356WoJMxzd0hPTe/TjYhpUOWPD1VZwcs QW+Tgba4EdymHBVDTcwYwSh+Uus4Jqkn+0Lti3Wxh5CzcA0uxaialGmNKIeTPjBXsLwx mGzQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lBuSzM19M8Sl1IwNbCxuRh5X/WokS9f0NZ0aJp/D6yg=; b=Fa0O3AWOVZlgxRkUKxcEWfAUtwduNWxR1UTg0vaLoQEQfVx/edyqTNAHg5wqiFTjW7 jRzsfGUJLGS0cx+2cReLCNY+1T5wWHtjMX3SfeM8MmpDtQf6jEj6UcxNqLxOZ/ZyEaAO M2ULe/dwin15a9m9+m8rM/uRPfRAlbfmZTHI55+heao5IJefy8NpgGKU2Dn/F9jGfzTO 513NQRwSr3lXgzfrBlXovXMpywE3IONwivQGA5dyMQeNMlUcmclIGyaAswfntlcXZQ0Y m7VyIMAScORk/cOFFQf1/hUbB7g5BloXEGABm4JJ+ITOqO9cTs+QLv1HUHjelqx4Pgpq OQqw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUrCi/uKiNxtKaNQW8QBSyNQowl6ZW54nppXHt/V/IS7/3UxzKF BRhjBjU4/haz1ix3WszWSltnUHNbvY0sR2iJPg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy75XSFB/z/wgWcvqTQS8dkbVvruyoyqxckUmp0eyYSv1YbiRkfX3Za8nfhOD9Q0WNgQ1xBjyeKCkfvuKuKF2U= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:900e:: with SMTP id h14mr33255101ljg.27.1574897506018; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:31:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <18414268-96b1-6112-2c91-345aea9e7f24@gmail.com> <20191127160215.GA69810@neutralgood.org> <20191127160441.GB69810@neutralgood.org> <0e484b77-afac-670d-5c34-381862388283@gmail.com> <20191127204649.203c695a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20191127204649.203c695a.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Clay Daniels Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD-12.1 on laptop To: Polytropon Cc: vm finance , Theron , "Kevin P. Neal" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47NcVX2NBsz3Ftv X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=h73rIgHa; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of claydanielsjr@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::242 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=claydanielsjr@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.50 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.4.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (2.77), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.69), asn: 15169(-1.95), country: US(-0.05)]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:00:12 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:31:49 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:31:34 -0600 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:31:49 -0000 My experience is from running 13.0 for several months, a new install most every week. I wonder if 12.1 didn't inherit our setup. In the exit message after you install drm-kmod it should tell you what to put in /etc/rc.conf and give three choices depending on your processor. For an Intel machine the correct entry (at least for the 13.0 folks) is: *kld_list="i915kms"* No path necessary. Give it a try. Clay On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 1:52 PM Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:52:38 +0530, vm finance wrote: > > Hi Theron, > > > > Ok - it tried this: > > make -C /usr/ports/graphics/drm-kmod deinstall clean install > > Reboot > > make -C /usr/ports/graphics/drm-kmod deinstall > > cd /usr/ports/graphics/drm-kmod > > make install FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=1 /* make install failed suggested to set > > this flag */ > > [drm-kmod-g20190710 gets installed] > > > > this seemed to work but startx fails again (same framebuffer error). > > > > I also tried to "kldload drm.ko" - still no luck! > > Did you also install the X driver for your graphics card? > If you have a Thinkpad, I guess it contains Intel graphics. > What does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say about that? > > > > > BTW, if I go back to 12.0 RELEASE, would that solve the problem? > > It would at least solve the ABI incompatibility problem. > Currently I have a system running v12.0-p7 with the following > configuration: > > In /boot/loader.conf: > > i915kms_load="YES" > > I have installed the xf86-video-intel package for X, and X > starts without any configuration file. I also don't have > anything DRM-related in any of the system configuration files. > But X works as expected. > > > > > Ultimately, I need to rebuild with latest sources anyways to experiment > > something w/ TCP stack, > > so hopefully going back to 12.0 should fix - thoughts, please? > > If you get the latest OS sources and obtain a current ports tree, > things should be in sync again. But don't use pkg to update your > system in such a case without carefully locking the DRM kernel > module port as mentioned before. > > > > > Any other ideas? Thanks a lot! > > Check if all components needed for X are actually installed. > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 28 03:36:19 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364FE1C2AED for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 03:36:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vm.finance2@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd36.google.com (mail-io1-xd36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47Njwf0Nkpz40tM; 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However, same issue w/ startx..... Pls let me know how to proceed further. Thank you! [image: IMG_3206.jpg] On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 8:49 AM vm finance wrote: > Thanks Kyle. That worked! > > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 8:12 AM Kyle Evans wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 8:20 PM vm finance wrote: >> > >> > I can't even get to any prompt, except loader prompt. >> > Is there a way to undo the change from loader prompt? >> > >> >> For that particular decision, drop to loader prompt and speak to it: >> >> set hw.syscons.disable=0 >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 28 13:08:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE45A1A8F9C; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:08:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47Nycq68Syz4YLm; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:08:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.235.226]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MDhpf-1ihDbp0F7v-00Ajn1; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:02:58 +0100 From: Polytropon To: vm finance Cc: Daniele Mazzotti , Per Hedeland , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: FreeBSD-12.1 on laptop Message-Id: <20191128140254.fc3ee735.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20191128103810.9599da0b.freebsd@edvax.de> <770ebb05-9d76-1b54-5bf5-af548368e19e@hedeland.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:n+AJW1keZMngIhLbtlKhhb1UqnbGiUZAoubIGygEhRxhIwrjdhJ s9swZgBlAe1jQhemfwzR4lG5KQH+SQPuQgSH+Qu8P8bo53KLJT+Fu4xKVr2kntkOHKVOVEH s/0/TTZghbVa6HHKi8W+Nkt4U/jShRmLHPJJJD7qu2QMbWASNDfHFacBLz7ptkMly2PuE0T qrEYRhaBXojBYTsFft0Sg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:oa3J6FR+FTY=:dYX1w00xK+HakMbvMgoPij ycATkn8ygyLAgyuAv2+qXi+5PfgOvnQwDPr/OUJ1kXlluSrX5D5iau3nPFfDQcZ53wyMlXA/+ DQVFxmET7D2HBehCOsrF+bjGloDcPrWu2QUjZsW5diDMtrVMxnSLJamT0lE2sSS88gAgTD7S/ jFA6XqdIsP4J65JjvIo/55pFQcx8FoeAYQlmOAcvy7IY1TYG84I/8Or+znEviDM8P69LGjQvg sdtV5Dk/8BXmUZtXDtrK0Zr4UQrMNY2ViBbEsBcupkief/UffhTrUIN1Kutahvkt/FmcODMpz /Z1Abj0rZRUiJnQ8uvwKBYWdhR9lCUcZ8Ao1eOsrxa8zZ9g32jD4rXczUO3UkxA5kJNJ0x2Pw rTgIuNurz3RdDNdczrVnHsQuZWfIr1Ol41gIugMxl9C1k3Xl4rxvUkdiyhbX8430C6z6BFnZb wwJbCT1HV8z/oCk2CQl4L9/opDUuai3SKBBfrdG6tQ9OGz49FEkS/8sdj9cx7arpt0+6z5uxg Wsw5ep45bD0CKRgcLzJoZ6Gh4Tv3GNYZHJJb1AKgMBKi4n/hyTHfcrFKar6rdoxMrd19BuIKL b7CrZONU3giOCVr78DTybHdrAhT9Eg8mdk5EhkFAfBuaSAUbGv8P30XDivuTweJdYd3g8Da9W kBjJLD2DWjLWmK7xCs008zopVNAQI8wRZjAHN+mOWHv0TCWAbBelT1gac6OK2+tBANtr3/yv1 igq+94+TbxRo/T2909lxrQdbwrA/h29Z9s6H0imYgiwT1VfaLgDhauKccI/TanU1cQ/oHonhx 3aelSJL2gbU5tcajzJeL/Yi5IiYEwlmm9dt5nhi+38PPFRw4ubohLkzSOTg8sqHlZCRN33ihX OpWFzRQL4D+eaE3B6MoA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47Nycq68Syz4YLm X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.133) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.36 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE(0.47)[ip: (1.29), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.24), asn: 8560(2.29), country: DE(-0.01)]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[226.235.5.178.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.995,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.998,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-Spam: Yes X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:01:18 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:08:28 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:02:54 +0100 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:08:28 -0000 On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 18:25:09 +0530, vm finance wrote: > Please find error output of startx....and kldstat output as well. For better reading, it ends in the following lines: [ 5939.577] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" [ 5939.577] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so [ 5939.577] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" [ 5939.577] compiled for 1.6.99.901, module version = 1.0.0 [ 5939.577] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 5939.577] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 440.36 Tue Nov 12 08:10:56 UTC 2019 [ 5939.577] (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs [ 5939.577] (--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) [ 5939.577] (--) using VT number 9 [ 5939.578] (EE) No devices detected. [ 5939.578] (EE) Fatal server error: [ 5939.578] (EE) no screens found(EE) [ 5939.578] (EE) Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org for help. [ 5939.578] (EE) Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. [ 5939.578] (EE) [ 5939.579] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file. X tries to load the nvidia driver - why did you install _that_ when you have Intel graphics? It also doesn't attempt to load the Intel graphics driver which leads to my assumption that it isn't installed. Please try installing xf86-video-intel (using pkg). According to your kldstat output, the required module is loaded (I'll mark the relevant entry with an arrow): Id Refs Address Size Name 1 56 0xffffffff80200000 2448d90 kernel 2 2 0xffffffff8264a000 b7bd8 linux.ko 3 3 0xffffffff82702000 9698 linux_common.ko 4 1 0xffffffff8270c000 1a8db00 nvidia.ko <--- WHY? 5 1 0xffffffff8433d000 15d20 if_iwm.ko 6 1 0xffffffff84353000 1ba76f iwm8265fw.ko 7 1 0xffffffff8450e000 4260 ng_ubt.ko 8 3 0xffffffff84513000 9e30 netgraph.ko 9 2 0xffffffff8451d000 91b8 ng_hci.ko 10 1 0xffffffff84527000 9c0 ng_bluetooth.ko 11 1 0xffffffff84528000 35b20 linux64.ko 12 1 0xffffffff8455e000 7f280 i915kms.ko <--- YES! 13 1 0xffffffff845de000 44c48 drm2.ko 14 4 0xffffffff84623000 1fa0 iicbus.ko 15 1 0xffffffff84625000 fd8 iic.ko 16 1 0xffffffff84626000 1570 iicbb.ko The drm.ko module is also loaded. You'll need to have your username be a member of the "video" group to make it actually work for direct rendering in X, if I remember correctly. But why did you also load the nvidia kernel module? It shouldn't be there if you're using an Intel GPU. This matches the unneeded nvidia X11 driver... I think you're currently fighting a misconfigured (rather than a non-working) system... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[209.85.210.47]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a74sm497940oii.37.2019.11.28.07.04.19 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:04:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot1-f47.google.com with SMTP id l14so22409692oti.10; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:04:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7342:: with SMTP id l2mr7720523otk.98.1574953458987; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:04:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191128103810.9599da0b.freebsd@edvax.de> <770ebb05-9d76-1b54-5bf5-af548368e19e@hedeland.org> <20191128140254.fc3ee735.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD-12.1 on laptop To: vm finance Cc: Polytropon , Per Hedeland , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Daniele Mazzotti , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47P1BZ4Byzz3BqF X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=NaV34duR; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.47 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.67)[ip: (-9.11), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.26), asn: 15169(-1.95), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:01:38 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:04:24 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:04:06 +0100 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:04:24 -0000 Do this as root: pkg install Xorg hal dbus portsnap fetch update cd /usr/ports/graphics/drm-fbsd12.0-kmod/ make make deinstall make install kldunload drm kldunload i915kms kldload /boot/modules/drm.ko kldload /boot/modules/i915kms.ko startx You can also generate Xorg configuration with: Xorg -configure cp /root/xorg.config.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf startx Note that you have to compile the DRM kernel driver on your machine, also you need to load /boot/modules/drm.ko and /boot/modules/i915kms.ko from that location otherwise you will load default drm/i915 drivers that does not work with modern GPU. If all above works put below line into /etc/rc.conf: kld_list="/boot/modules/drm.ko /boot/modules/i915kms.ko" You may also take a look at https://forums.freebsd.org/ to see if people had similar problems and found a working solution. 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FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:01:46 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:34:19 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:34:02 +0100 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:34:19 -0000 On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 4:17 PM Miguel C wrote: > Just my 2 cents but usually I just use: > /boot/modules/i915kms.ko and this loads the correct drm module Thanks Miguel will try that one :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 29 06:59:53 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB391C6089; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 06:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47PQP41FVbz4Yf8; 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Please do not send innocent victims into the hal nightmare. That package is *not* needed and *should be avoided whenever possible*. > portsnap fetch update > cd /usr/ports/graphics/drm-fbsd12.0-kmod/ > make > make deinstall > make install > kldunload drm > kldunload i915kms Yeah? Good luck with that. One it has the graphics device, I doubt it will allow itself to be unloaded. A reboot will most likely be necessary. > kldload /boot/modules/drm.ko It shouldn't be necessary to load drm.ko manually. > kldload /boot/modules/i915kms.ko There can be problems with the above method of loading this, IIRC. Using kld_list="/boot/modules/i915kms.ko" in /etc/rc.conf.local (or /etc/rc.conf if you don't separate your own added choices from the system's) is the preferred method. > startx > > You can also generate Xorg configuration with: > Xorg -configure > cp /root/xorg.config.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf > startx Note that manual configuration should be used only as a last resort. Most users should let xorg autoconfigure unless there is a problem in getting particular devices, fonts, drivers, etc. recognized or for special screen, keyboard, and/or pointing device setups. > > Note that you have to compile the DRM kernel driver on your machine, True, except for users who run -RELEASE GENERIC. > also you need to load /boot/modules/drm.ko and Not true AFAIK. I don't do that, and it works just fine. > /boot/modules/i915kms.ko from that location otherwise you will load > default drm/i915 drivers that does not work with modern GPU. Yes, this one most likely does need to be specified for Intel's integrated graphics. > > If all above works put below line into /etc/rc.conf: > kld_list="/boot/modules/drm.ko /boot/modules/i915kms.ko" > > You may also take a look at https://forums.freebsd.org/ to see if > people had similar problems and found a working solution. > > Have fun :-) Scott Bennett, Comm. 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ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:02:33 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 08:42:48 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:42:32 +0100 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 08:42:48 -0000 Scott I gave instructions that _works_ on my machine, for instance "kldload drm" will result in something else than "kldload /boot/modules/drm.ko" see yourself :-) I am not sure if there is any sense to continue this thread anyway :-) Have a good day folks :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 29 13:11:45 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66411B00DC; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 13:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47PZf76sGqz3PDP; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 13:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.102.111.227]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M89TB-1ifKtT0AGB-005IMn; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 14:11:32 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Scott Bennett Cc: vm.finance2@gmail.com, tomek@cedro.info, kappei84@gmail.com, freebsd@edvax.de, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-12.1 on laptop Message-Id: <20191129141122.ad33d021.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201911290659.xAT6xkRx002554@sdf.org> References: <20191128103810.9599da0b.freebsd@edvax.de> <770ebb05-9d76-1b54-5bf5-af548368e19e@hedeland.org> <20191128140254.fc3ee735.freebsd@edvax.de> <201911290659.xAT6xkRx002554@sdf.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; 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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[75.192.72.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-Spam: Yes X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:03:08 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 13:11:46 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 14:11:22 +0100 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 13:11:46 -0000 On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 00:59:46 -0600, Scott Bennett wrote: > Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > > Do this as root: > > > > pkg install Xorg hal dbus > > Bzzzt! Please do not send innocent victims into the hal nightmare. > That package is *not* needed and *should be avoided whenever possible*. It seems to be unavoidable as soon as you want to install a desktop environment (Gnome, KDE, Xfce, LXDE). But X itself works fine without HAL, so do lots of window managers and application programs. HAL seems to be abandoned in Linux land, but still many GUI ports make it a dependency... :-/ > > portsnap fetch update > > cd /usr/ports/graphics/drm-fbsd12.0-kmod/ > > make > > make deinstall > > make install > > kldunload drm > > kldunload i915kms > > Yeah? Good luck with that. One it has the graphics device, I > doubt it will allow itself to be unloaded. A reboot will most likely > be necessary. Depends. Especially if you haven't entered X yet, it seems to be possible. However, a clean reboot is usually the better way. For this to work, it's neccessary (!) that no further references to such kernel modules exist in any of the relevant configuration files. > > kldload /boot/modules/drm.ko > > It shouldn't be necessary to load drm.ko manually. It's a dependency of the i915kms module. I have a laptop that runs FreeBSD 12.0-p7 where I have in /boot/loader.conf: i915kms_load="YES" And then kldstat reports drm2.ko to be loaded as well. > > kldload /boot/modules/i915kms.ko > > There can be problems with the above method of loading this, IIRC. > Using > > kld_list="/boot/modules/i915kms.ko" > > in /etc/rc.conf.local (or /etc/rc.conf if you don't separate your own > added choices from the system's) is the preferred method. Technically, it doesn't seem to matter, as only the point in time is affected when the module is loaded. Manually loading it and then using this as a starting point for further experiments with X is okay. Also see my note above - it also seems to work when loaded via /boot/loader.conf. Sidenote: There was also a case where "manually" executing "kldload " was required in /etc/rc.local. :-) > > startx > > > > You can also generate Xorg configuration with: > > Xorg -configure > > cp /root/xorg.config.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > startx > > Note that manual configuration should be used only as a last resort. > Most users should let xorg autoconfigure unless there is a problem in > getting particular devices, fonts, drivers, etc. recognized or for special > screen, keyboard, and/or pointing device setups. Exactly. That's why any existing configuration file should be removed, just to be sure. X can generate one if needed, but in most cases, it's _not_ needed. Sometimes you only need a partial file in /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to regulate a specific aspect of X, like keyboard settings or s forced screen size. > > Note that you have to compile the DRM kernel driver on your machine, > > True, except for users who run -RELEASE GENERIC. > > > also you need to load /boot/modules/drm.ko and > > Not true AFAIK. I don't do that, and it works just fine. Automated dependency. > > /boot/modules/i915kms.ko from that location otherwise you will load > > default drm/i915 drivers that does not work with modern GPU. > > Yes, this one most likely does need to be specified for Intel's > integrated graphics. In this case, knowing the exact hardware configuration is neccessary. FreeBSD system tools can provide this information, and it needs to be reflected by the kernel modules loaded, the X11 drivers installed, and what X detects (checked with the log file). It isn't that complicated. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 30 00:29:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38611C13E5 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 00:29:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from blaine.gmane.org (195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no [195.159.176.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47Psgk65llz4Stf for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 00:29:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iaqOW-0005cx-KP for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 01:13:52 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jonesy Subject: grep -b, --byte-offset returns 0 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47Psgk65llz4Stf X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_1(0.50)[195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.996,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[SPAM_TRAP_gmane@jonz.net,freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org]; DMARC_POLICY_REJECT(2.00)[jonz.net : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,reject]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2116, ipnet:195.159.0.0/16, country:NO]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[SPAM_TRAP_gmane@jonz.net,freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org]; IP_SCORE(1.37)[ipnet: 195.159.0.0/16(4.15), asn: 2116(2.71), country: NO(-0.01)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:03:45 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 00:29:07 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 00:13:46 -0000 (UTC) X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 00:29:07 -0000 (I'm not sure if I can post to this list via nntp/gmane...) grep'ping for a byte offset always returns 0 for the result. Searching "FreeBSD Bugzilla – Bug List" shows no other reports. Ubuntu 16.04: jonesy@nix5:~$ a='now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party' jonesy@nix5:~$ echo $a | grep -b -o good 24:good FreeBSD 12.1 [jonz~]a='now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party' [jonz~]echo $a | grep -b -o good 0:good I have just now created a login at bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ and reported this bug there, but I am unsure if I did it all correctly. :-) Can someone confirm my findings? 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Does anyone have a working setup / iPXE script for netbooting FreeBSD 12 installation media? I've tried a lot of different settings without any luck :/ sanboot the iso stops when it's looking for the root directory, while chain loading loader.efi doesn't even boot the kernel. 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To: Scott Bennett Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List , Polytropon , Anatoly , gljennjohn@gmail.com, "freebsd-usb@FreeBSD.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47QvHx0jslz40h7 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=gTi/7w5h; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::243) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.4.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.36)[ip: (2.46), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.25), asn: 15169(-1.94), country: US(-0.05)] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:04:39 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2019 16:45:34 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 17:45:17 +0100 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2019 16:45:34 -0000 On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:28 AM Scott Bennett wrote: > >Does GEOM in any way prevents me from using disk that has corrupt MBR? > Yes, most likely. > > >Why I cannot write a MBR from a file but I can from a md0? > >Any hints welcome :-) > See the last line of your messages below. > (..) > >ugen0.8: at usbus0 > >umass1 on uhub0 > >umass1: on usbus0 > >umass1: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x8100 > >umass1:3:1: Attached to scbus3 > >da1 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus3 target 0 lun 0 > >da1: Removable Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device > >da1: Serial Number BLAHBLAH > >da1: 400.000MB/s transfers > >da1: 118272MB (242221056 512 byte sectors) > >da1: quirks=0x2 > >GEOM_PART: integrity check failed (da1, MBR) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There is your hint, courtesy of > ||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||| FreeBSD's GEOM_PART kernel class. Hello Scott and thank you for your valuable input. If you are sure that this is NOT a problem of a pendrive or anything USB related with that particular pendrive (i.e. some quirk required for valid operations), and you ARE sure that this is a matter of GEOM, then: 1. OS / GEOM is hiding things from operator. It does not write bytes as instructed to fix the disk, instead, it considers disk invalid and silently discards _only_some_of_the_data_ with no clear error/warning indication. Unacceptable!!! 2. OS / GEOM lies to operator. It does return a SUCCESS code while _some_ data goes to /dev/null. Unacceptale!!! 3. If disk is _considered_ broken then access should be _fully_ blocked. But how am I supposed to fix it when OS silently blocks essential part of the fix? Who allows writing over a corrupted disk anyway? 4. OS / GEOM is broken and incoherent in this area and proves system unreliable / not trustworthy. This needs to be fixed please. Will report a bug. That "irrelevant blather" just proves above. OS cannot silently interfere with operator actions and do whatever it likes. Other people also noticed this problem. This is not the FreeBSD way, looks more like Linux way. Now it looks like the factory pre-format pendrive was considered invalid by GEOM, this is why the initial `dd if=/dev/da0 of=/dev/da1` copied _almost_ whole data but without MBR. Then the situation escalated - MBR dumped to a file could not be written to a target drive, but it could be written from a md0 device, and all sorts of black magic. It THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!! When I DD something from IF then it must get untouched into OF, unless missing privilege or hardware failure error is clearly reported preventing further actions. Damn, the DD is the simplest thing in Unix. Either I get the command executed exactly as instructed, or not executed at all. The return code is here to say what happened. Error is here to show me something is wrong. As simple as that. Now it looks like the disk is okay, just GEOM did some interpretation, knew better what I want to, and did, without telling me that. Imagine there were some really sensitive backups on the drive and system decided only to copy selected parts of them with no error. Not a problem for you? Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 31 18:06:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D5E247E4E for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488QBm6Z8bz42Fm for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-qv1-f43.google.com (mail-qv1-f43.google.com [209.85.219.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: kevans) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D18AA1E8A5 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: by mail-qv1-f43.google.com with SMTP id s7so3666514qvn.8 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 10:06:08 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVvfYRfBxLPiD2BZK6oXppkxyPwo7bcQXRm5reOdnwf/D+SGs4S SNoy0pQEpr4C+8iCj1mxTihfUMNX69fnhXdxlhI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwQh9tbvwWC9U2UKEzDGNMu6nZlmm+5R5H5STDao7KrLUQsBDe35LQtf/nItqJPtoXCSSIPAOpOJ/YdQQRjvIo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:118d:: with SMTP id t13mr11312577qvv.5.1580493968473; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 10:06:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Kyle Evans Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:05:56 -0600 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: grep -b, --byte-offset returns 0 To: Jonesy Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:06:09 -0000 On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 12:03 PM Jonesy via freebsd-questions wrote: > > (I'm not sure if I can post to this list via nntp/gmane...) > > grep'ping for a byte offset always returns 0 for the result. > Searching "FreeBSD Bugzilla =E2=80=93 Bug List" shows no other reports. > > Ubuntu 16.04: > > jonesy@nix5:~$ a=3D'now is the time for all good men to come to the aid o= f the party' > jonesy@nix5:~$ echo $a | grep -b -o good > 24:good > > > FreeBSD 12.1 > > [jonz~]a=3D'now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the pa= rty' > [jonz~]echo $a | grep -b -o good > 0:good > > I have just now created a login at bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ > and reported this bug there, but I am unsure if I did it all > correctly. :-) > > Can someone confirm my findings? I can confirm: # echo 'now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party' | gnugrep -bo good 0:good This is a non-issue in bsdgrep, FWIW: # echo 'now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party' | bsdgrep -bo good 24:good I hope to soon find more time to push us closer towards a bsdgrep default, because gnugrep does not look good on us in many cases. =3D-( Thanks, Kyle Evans From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 31 18:50:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863FC1E920E for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:50:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488RBJ5VSSz44qC for ; 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Yes, for virtual terminal logins this should work. If you want to know if a user has been logged in, parsing output of "who" or "w" or checking ps output for login shells would be the next step. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 31 19:10:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B44C1E9C2F for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:10:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x541.google.com (mail-ed1-x541.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::541]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488Rcr5g6Zz46Rh for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:10:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ed1-x541.google.com with SMTP id p3so8943527edx.7 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 11:10:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XPZuuobuBNnFyvt4F6hMXc1ggs8Q+PnTMp6wEgcliHk=; b=Qdg7lIlZmunVxFMmtnMz41cykqwkD4TzJw010lZtaY8/zR1kF3SZoLE31xaS7oXK5I nb1U7TvgxOcCf4hMpiX3g6OOaCo1zS/yKJuJUQn0+xK0jlUMzAdHcLzoxVRXuORnDPNQ +mSYCb+W2Yre5tYShdrzmEQlX83SHpNd8KbMVXe0CAaWM6B7R1cEehaKmsmnzcbvA/q/ cxKhF3IeMS+E1hPIRshuyNXBrxz+827taGURuBnoRZDt91UJI+9AQk6XF/G2UQ1JzyHJ LsYy24WefK3GWB15dvk5ll6v+LZqVrhJiR9BJ2y5Zt+fauELBazGqTEccwePel1Nwqqh yqZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XPZuuobuBNnFyvt4F6hMXc1ggs8Q+PnTMp6wEgcliHk=; b=uCxtJvigEZw4AAX2lxwJ25rWzINI4DrDxHS6giFPqogIwmk9JB7K0ikaim/CwUR4pN /QnFkyIRexUBT2QSvte445BKI7ADTG7aAcLKTAAuqMp5EOZcKmWQpb7Xl5fWfI4acalH wQ7FwuM/4TyMuKS5Y1TofLDMfKDfF2mdk2hkZlmIwYsmYLv2CuSfkgYPZd74oEXnXBQc LnK5kp0vgnGvD/aTLahzfyhzNpxPQtrTDJvs5xx0Zg06GybPv3bBKOnvJ7B39K+e8RN+ waqtz6k7Wz7+raiNLuEfVbPX07eVsJoY9voDwqnlW43Z3+0gAICgSNNmcjtoc3Zfgx6j xJkg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUIWJPCEHjqmoUVcOMq12oSQGVFbFjTPk8vrYC2rPU0DPxxt5z8 WwNpki0Bg+6F9MMdSZycnxWp86m90BpF2/rO/Vdx6A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwmAE5xKI+1wuNomS1fOD0W+XuNmNfMY7Bx6N+dvEu0lAWz4Q2TsW1kcWKmoVDEiFpFFSPJ5sW2vhNHdAy69LU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:8595:: with SMTP id v21mr10368167ejx.28.1580497819218; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 11:10:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rick Miller Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 14:10:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iPXE (U)EFI FreeBSD To: Christer Solskogen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 488Rcr5g6Zz46Rh X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Qdg7lIlZ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vrwmiller@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::541 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vrwmiller@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (0.14), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.51), asn: 15169(-1.77), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.4.5.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:10:21 -0000 On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 1:04 PM Christer Solskogen < christer.solskogen@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi! > > Does anyone have a working setup / iPXE script for netbooting FreeBSD 12 > installation media? I've tried a lot of different settings without any > luck :/ > > sanboot the iso stops when it's looking for the root directory, while > chain loading loader.efi doesn't even boot the kernel. Sounds like the experience described in PR 239876. Maybe? While I=E2=80=99m not successfully booting 12 yet, I use iPXE and sanboot b= ootonly ISOs. However, those ISOs have failed with the errors described in the aforementioned PR since 9.something. I work around this by building a MDROOT kernel that is installed in the ISO during make target bootonly.iso. Bear in mind the MDROOT kernel must be smaller EFI_STAGING_SIZE and the kernel config/environment must define MFS_IMAGE. PR 227808 describes how to accomplish this. HTH =E2=80=94Rick --=20 Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 31 20:21:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F171EB979 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 20:21:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488TCL0gh1z4BGH for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 20:21:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 00VKLbS3025967 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 14:21:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 00VKLbx6025966 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 14:21:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 14:21:37 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: questions list Subject: How can I download FreeBSD 13 snapshot? 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I usedt to use ncftp to do this but now I get this whan I try: Could not connect to 96.47.72.84: Connection refused. Is there a better way these days? Thanks, Bob -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. 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Neal" wrote: > The era of FTP is over. I'm surprised they would still have the FTP server > running. With no TLS you can't know if your copy is being modified on its > way to you. Published checksums make a pretty good check. > You can use https for downloads: > https://freebsd.org/snapshots/ > -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 31 21:12:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19791ECE07 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488VL62XlHz4DZm for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:12:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 00VLCecC026111 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:12:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 00VLCet6026110; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:12:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:12:40 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I download FreeBSD 13 snapshot? Message-ID: <20200131211240.GB25952@rancor.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <20200131202137.GA25952@rancor.immure.com> <20200131204528.GA64355@neutralgood.org> <20200131210544.573a65d3ead61837841d721b@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200131210544.573a65d3ead61837841d721b@sohara.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 488VL62XlHz4DZm X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob@rancor.immure.com has no SPF policy when checking 108.84.10.9) smtp.mailfrom=bob@rancor.immure.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.61 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[bob@immure.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.44)[ip: (0.27), ipnet: 108.64.0.0/11(0.13), asn: 7018(1.86), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[immure.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.971,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7018, ipnet:108.64.0.0/11, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:12:48 -0000 On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 09:05:44PM +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:45:28 -0500 > "Kevin P. Neal" wrote: > > > > The era of FTP is over. I'm surprised they would still have the FTP server > > running. With no TLS you can't know if your copy is being modified on its > > way to you. > > Published checksums make a pretty good check. > > > You can use https for downloads: > > https://freebsd.org/snapshots/ > > Yeah, I suspected it was this. The last time I downloaded anything (sometime last year I believe) it still worked with ftp (which did kinda surprise me). Back in the early '90s when I managed an AIX architecture department one of the security guys working for me told me this: security * useability is a constant I keep getting reminded of this on a daily basis anymore! :( Thanks for the info, Bob > > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. Austin, TX | From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 31 21:30:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C7C1ED55F for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488VkF5LLVz4Fbf for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:30:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.206] (cpe-23-243-162-239.socal.res.rr.com [23.243.162.239]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 33906b5d (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: How can I download FreeBSD 13 snapshot? To: Bob Willcox , questions list References: <20200131202137.GA25952@rancor.immure.com> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 13:30:00 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200131202137.GA25952@rancor.immure.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 488VkF5LLVz4Fbf X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[239.162.243.23.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.69)[ip: (-9.26), ipnet: 174.136.96.0/20(-3.84), asn: 25795(-0.31), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:30:15 -0000 On 1/31/20 12:21 PM, Bob Willcox wrote: > Hi all, > > What is the current best way to download the release 13 snapshot. I usedt to > use ncftp to do this but now I get this whan I try: > > Could not connect to 96.47.72.84: Connection refused. > > Is there a better way these days? I use it quite frequently, which URL are you using?  On us-west coast i get routed to the ISC mirror, perhaps your local mirror is having issues? $ ftp ftp.freebsd.org Trying 2001:4f8:1:11::15:0:21 ... Connected to ftp.geo.freebsd.org. 220 This is ftp0.isc.freebsd.org - hosted at ISC.org Name (ftp.freebsd.org:pete): ftp 331 Please specify the password. Password: 230- 230-This is ftp0.isc.FreeBSD.org, graciously hosted by 230-Internet Systems Consortium - ISC.org. 230- 230-FreeBSD files can be found in the /pub/FreeBSD directory. 230- 230 Login successful. Remote system type is UNIX. Using binary mode to transfer files. ftp> -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 31 22:16:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482C81EE8DF for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 22:16:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488Wls4qwGz4J77 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 22:16:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 00VMGW6h026276 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 31 Jan 2020 16:16:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 00VMGWoU026275; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 16:16:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 16:16:32 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: Pete Wright Cc: questions list Subject: Re: How can I download FreeBSD 13 snapshot? Message-ID: <20200131221632.GC25952@rancor.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <20200131202137.GA25952@rancor.immure.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 488Wls4qwGz4J77 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob@rancor.immure.com has no SPF policy when checking 108.84.10.9) smtp.mailfrom=bob@rancor.immure.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[bob@immure.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.44)[ip: (0.26), ipnet: 108.64.0.0/11(0.12), asn: 7018(1.85), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[immure.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.964,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7018, ipnet:108.64.0.0/11, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 22:16:43 -0000 On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 01:30:00PM -0800, Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 1/31/20 12:21 PM, Bob Willcox wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > What is the current best way to download the release 13 snapshot. I usedt to > > use ncftp to do this but now I get this whan I try: > > > > Could not connect to 96.47.72.84: Connection refused. > > > > Is there a better way these days? > I use it quite frequently, which URL are you using? On us-west coast i > get routed to the ISC mirror, perhaps your local mirror is having issues? > > $ ftp ftp.freebsd.org > Trying 2001:4f8:1:11::15:0:21 ... > Connected to ftp.geo.freebsd.org. > 220 This is ftp0.isc.freebsd.org - hosted at ISC.org > Name (ftp.freebsd.org:pete): ftp > 331 Please specify the password. > Password: > 230- > 230-This is ftp0.isc.FreeBSD.org, graciously hosted by > 230-Internet Systems Consortium - ISC.org. > 230- > 230-FreeBSD files can be found in the /pub/FreeBSD directory. > 230- > 230 Login successful. > Remote system type is UNIX. > Using binary mode to transfer files. > ftp> Cool, that still works: bob@vader:4 /home/bob/mirror/packages/omi/freebsd> ncftp ftp.freebsd.org NcFTP 3.2.6 (Dec 04, 2016) by Mike Gleason (http://www.NcFTP.com/contact/). Connecting to 209.94.190.56... This is ftp0.cyb.freebsd.org - hosted at Cyberone Data, Port Edwards, WI, USA. Logging in... This is ftp0.cyb.FreeBSD.org, graciously hosted by CyberOne Data. FreeBSD files can be found in the /pub/FreeBSD directory. Login successful. Logged in to ftp.freebsd.org. ncftp / > Thanks, apparently I forgot the "ftp." part at the front :) Bob -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. Austin, TX | From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 31 21:49:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1241EE0ED for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:49:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (ciao.gmane.io [159.69.161.202]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488W865cqSz4GrR for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ixe9v-000U7E-9G for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 22:49:03 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jonesy Subject: Re: grep -b, --byte-offset returns 0 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:48:59 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 488W865cqSz4GrR X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.83 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.54)[-0.536,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.05)[0.052,0]; DMARC_POLICY_REJECT(2.00)[jonz.net : SPF not aligned (strict), No valid DKIM,reject]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[SPAM_TRAP_gmane@jonz.net,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:159.69.0.0/16, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[SPAM_TRAP_gmane@jonz.net,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; IP_SCORE(-0.19)[ipnet: 159.69.0.0/16(0.63), asn: 24940(-1.55), country: DE(-0.02)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 01 Feb 2020 08:40:27 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:49:12 -0000 On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 00:13:46 -0000 (UTC), Jonesy via freebsd-questions wrote: > > grep'ping for a byte offset always returns 0 for the result. > Searching "FreeBSD Bugzilla – Bug List" shows no other reports. > > Ubuntu 16.04: > > jonesy@nix5:~$ a='now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party' > jonesy@nix5:~$ echo $a | grep -b -o good > 24:good > > FreeBSD 12.1 > > [jonz~]a='now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party' > [jonz~]echo $a | grep -b -o good > 0:good > > I have just now created a login at bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ > and reported this bug there, but I am unsure if I did it all > correctly. :-) As the OP, I probably should have posted the bugzilla URL for the archive: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=242308 Jonesy -- Marvin L Jones | Marvin | W3DHJ.net | linux 38.238N 104.547W | @ jonz.net | Jonesy | FreeBSD * Killfiling google & XXXXbanter.com: jonz.net/ng.htm From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 31 22:40:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63711EF322 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 22:40:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (ciao.gmane.io [159.69.161.202]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488XGv6Psqz4KRr for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 22:40:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ixenZ-000Kup-S6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 23:30:01 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ottavio Caruso Subject: Re: How can I download FreeBSD 13 snapshot? Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 21:43:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20200131202137.GA25952@rancor.immure.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20200131202137.GA25952@rancor.immure.com> Content-Language: nl X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 488XGv6Psqz4KRr X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [7.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.46)[0.459,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ipnet: 159.69.0.0/16(0.65), asn: 24940(-1.55), country: DE(-0.02)]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.98)[0.980,0]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_REJECT(2.00)[yahoo.com : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,reject]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:159.69.0.0/16, country:DE]; FORGED_MUA_THUNDERBIRD_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 01 Feb 2020 08:40:52 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 22:40:08 -0000 On 31/01/2020 20:21, Bob Willcox wrote: > Hi all, > > What is the current best way to download the release 13 snapshot. I usedt to > use ncftp to do this but now I get this whan I try: > > Could not connect to 96.47.72.84: Connection refused. > > Is there a better way these days? ftp works fine with me with the local UK mirror: ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/amd64/amd64/13.0-CURRENT/ -- Ottavio Caruso From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 1 15:47:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1ED1FA30F for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 15:47:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pstreem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x32c.google.com (mail-ot1-x32c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488z4j3rf4z4gD8 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 15:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pstreem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x32c.google.com with SMTP id b18so9574418otp.0 for ; Sat, 01 Feb 2020 07:47:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=yJtLr1Y/u5Zg89/xEw6oXW572q1Jd/VJ26hQRwHTY7U=; b=D/8rlRp1VBWq+HF2dwmEFTtp5JpZGP7M+gbgsKzpY6Y7JwfsDQMaY+YPFjMSo7khyA JWv4nZkIIH1AHJbMByGhhOklJlwGL11i++dizWr5kMZmUz4SyRLSwFdl6rRzJWYX4IMS 9KOboYSGVIwHfmEslRPJStI6ZVOW5cdmEEDRotDydjpVYgcCGAVqG+QPxfzvSebeFN3U XwuPYSs63hseVU5a1NcVbqqp6wOVualwEBzP2jaY+HALhUBmTeTo93/qOY77Mzqq13HX tKv8fLuCAgffpVYhk5Bb+QC/ZIvYZghoFqwK2qNsEE9/SIqhj8LurrktBrLUNrcXVSM2 EUuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=yJtLr1Y/u5Zg89/xEw6oXW572q1Jd/VJ26hQRwHTY7U=; b=c/Wt6hyz5K4Fbs+c5tbG8XwkHrK2BhXAziLUZ52WCCWCZpBkJwteca09mkRWClkJJD +jrmRRDAP04x6/SmSYoInlo1to1Phe8Dz3ImOVK7j5KBOMvJi0IblA1yCV0jsSDTwRGU Ej5aIthwy5rM13g7fh4gKLae77Rsn2zebOOhJUH2n7DqNl2kb6oVizHnFdrUaqEWxUx2 8VXg0pEhvXBaKMbbO2UE1cNykqageEUOQfV97DIUjOpkDMbLylTeyak7yh1Don9Z78xg rYuDINLul3kYMhYR6PEn9kCF5pRUllFf0S8yJ31C2c7zGnbQjs4myp3C041rMNNq+B/m tq4w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUe4QKQzgagpNrf0Q9OL/neNVLZ50wFNHqACF1qg3t9VoWW1r7M xy6XxgytZYxwH0KYq2IXvGKp7COxlSifbXIBkwFE171p X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxlksI4+4zYDCEIBlo4Kr9szzQKTi7SOoVevjT6Ft4eUhsrwXdCPUIPIEvSqM+5lyImk8cMgGZ2oDOxSrMaawA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:2102:: with SMTP id i2mr11479776otc.123.1580572067975; Sat, 01 Feb 2020 07:47:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: PstreeM China Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 23:47:36 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: bhyve passthrough pci device of ar9460, guest notify device timeout To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 488z4j3rf4z4gD8 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=D/8rlRp1; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pstreem@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pstreem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-7.80), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.00), asn: 15169(-1.76), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[c.2.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2020 15:47:50 -0000 Hello all: Thanks for your help first. The host os is FreeBSD 12.1 I use atheros wireless network card, the card framework is ar9640. After I passthrough the pci device to guest os, then install the guest os also be FreeBSD 12.1 After the system boot, everything running well. Then I configure the vm like AP used hostap, the system is also well. But if I use some other device(like mobile phone) to scan the wifi what is available, the kernel will give the notify: Ath0: device timeout. And can not find the access point. If I use the same configuration in the host os, not have the issue and I can use the wifi ap as well. Could you can help for this or this is a bug ? Thanks again for you help. BR//Ming From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 1 19:33:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BF1229320 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 19:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hamdi20193d@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk1-xa34.google.com (mail-vk1-xa34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a34]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48944l5bzQz3xFF for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 19:33:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hamdi20193d@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk1-xa34.google.com with SMTP id o200so3062320vke.4 for ; Sat, 01 Feb 2020 11:33:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=OZiZhvxlG6g71WP/SwoEFuQTLULBMCbFsUq9wNCT8FU=; b=i2tkOZ4Cmw/Sdpy2DD2bDiAOKmvuZgmI26dC99yBFRlYF4hLXwDS2dq9DgiSfk+4pG e4+tAees/vMsR5OXZHjMUjXXbAiPCaBf7bPMly5YKou8jp3o72aKkcVHdmf0FoDAVhYJ CGB/jC1Zk0i25voAH1sweTVY4/OGTI0B2626PnHgw8wOB6ZntI5wCsdk0QhfSsURJqEt UccamPL7tvLs7kmLLjG2PjPhrdQxJL3hc6xx+1GyCJpHciwroAInxvhSKXTLBrXKfs3R 7BAuvVkyO4Hh2nJutqwAnsZq+7FgVANBPis60572pcyxbL1LDaksgLe2k1aTnurqHQMb nM5A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=OZiZhvxlG6g71WP/SwoEFuQTLULBMCbFsUq9wNCT8FU=; b=udhCxdNomZ+IMnJ/4p8fuKSdL80dspPS+4kwZ98fmy2RChI/FWDGPQ/3x6/wUA9AvJ QDOcBfb7ImUTbWAmqYr6Fwu8seaItsatQIXZclyPMiANkeDDpM4NZhEvWh64W4W/OFi8 JkwRLocmS7iOxJqUoCxg1tGtjrb4lTS0NZWhnkgYuKNGmaUQ6QMFC7OIgYa4c97ntM2v qU+A5K9kIpLQk6DfldJ3WogZ5zP1616GOBQpwKKW6LN1swWIiLNELCn7dcy4OAW+KMKm g38FHs1N9wj924Nk5AvPMHmpOuh868fZaHdc1Aeb3TSxQd5UkZ6P9DDEPi0nKkSV1ZlU Fwxg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUsmXOTeHfzZoA8S8l8CFGdp79KOLoEVtDSaQjoak7S++eN+76O poDbP8mtdEDyP7OIQquq6/GZwSGFfefWZhK6/lA1Hzry X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwVAbg25bWOeJxVVJosuPueofoS1ZgO8Qswt8xIB7lbFo0eWOBVgYBCnzUk5m1uVXUGmP0FgDdWxe0VkaAmeLk= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:4354:: with SMTP id q81mr10347201vka.31.1580585590640; Sat, 01 Feb 2020 11:33:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andreas X Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 22:32:57 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: No my.cnf file at all? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48944l5bzQz3xFF X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=i2tkOZ4C; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hamdi20193d@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::a34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hamdi20193d@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.a.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.53), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.00), asn: 15169(-1.76), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2020 19:33:12 -0000 Hello I installed mariadb104-server-10.4.11 on FreeBSD 12.1, however it didn't come with a sample my.cnf at all. Where to find a sample conf. file for such version? Or how to get the currently installed config variables like datadir, innodb_data_home_dir, to make my own conf file? Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 1 19:40:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF2F2295EC for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 19:40:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic305-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic305-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.185.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4894FH1vW4z3xYN for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 19:40:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: 5rWLG_kVM1lOc2B3fqfY5EO8yFkgXjH97ozER7jxREDRii3Ke8T5moD.hr4kRM7 pztxEjuc.0VvGzzNlK4KDHx4FiXr6DlXqP8H0yh_UDfjVG98gXFN4Awta34bZJRUW.Xgnt4hIiah qkslX0Kpr2MuREjsO9v2We6Tmfs5ouUAV9J4ZLE0FhW9IoMy3R.Ww0YSyK5Ef6_KdscPGtHAHdYl dbjyl5ozru0MMo9_vVeksto_rVxAun2RR9uLx0RR8aFKz4GmPQRZnKCLdzJEWd0oZ.uE5pi8u.tr QvfPtnfwV2mydWJkvk3TEWUOgk4gYPNNawO0EP_2pogN.u9lDgAvHoN7UqNS7XqoJv1VS2saaJ3h _VfuL2d9YzAMZAjP7QYHETLlkZMlLDXP_Cq8Xr9bsxRMbQbHEbZY3UdmOgaq1KF2ft7pfK1cVM4W VCe5iFy3wkFtk9npcwrDiTPdeg5K34N5wsI36LGXugkCN2HyzQxq53FBpdb6SqNNE6vrqMcsygPL z5FQnmFge4aFqAJyQIhmYHp8gQKrWqZJrQCsBKNkM1uHAaXQqGVUT2yny0X7iuGHh9p5gW7rwwoW zZH7Pi_uesnJoYxyuJvW99s1b8y6XArGcl_GGdo7NmAIxFyLz2FWX__qxv7SFf9TdkABz2M6SDW2 seTCOQ330k87NpEdQM5UJ8DQqU9qB4Zn0lpzZfdR23bWCj6_jgt6md.9T35ayq87AT3HfNPfJClC f9L0cDr6DKZ5o5lFoRJWt9O6YBlGhhdUp6SyuOczqK_yYm6_GYgjJ77oRiZrYV_xsgD2GOrupJev mXOHoVtGlLpjyPlRcbRW8D.RoDzEyyTaVqcCLPV7MwKagCMNK6AGGI7rwfOz6CztdrqSWPJEvmyC 4LqsywDPaUhsS1FxiGCAziTWBjVaABWke7vAHiKd6Gm5ooSC.KG6Qt12jQi3IZpXy3QTUAfrYrhH DUnMFGs2T7eSYKhqAdTLFhQY.HVBctYUwiEt2nTQMUKF0tMR9NTEo4lxqZ.CmnZ0.HGV6vMv.itt Cub2keUxkkQRgckHt9KWhJhfNbnHJbL5JIIaiqsufbfzanoklKBBwRx4mVUGobl1_0YJHpVYKXbc GjG.mLsIiRWvr_pg4lOYalsm0Gz8jwOPFUt5IBhcCyJeaMwWtHbIOjKXxqLwLVgIM1LYgP6CLy65 M8RSvU3jOwnrL7fSqz4JZSNVU1wAi6KgbRZQsFOfzdvQl3PUzVA14sXqPJaswW.nOOt8j24zN8LI aOqwfzclZVlrjLD4rWhbGdreVDl5If.r5JBCHNI_qbkv7FLHEp1qQJqJEY4vz8QYRbUXtmu4U0yj s83su2zoEEIdIStajxRXpL3eTFr3FL3Px8LBuCfOeJX6oYWfdIPnz_w-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 19:40:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 19:40:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Andreas X Message-ID: <1065217562.310518.1580586031261@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: No my.cnf file at all? 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Paul On Saturday, February 1, 2020, 2:33:19 PM EST, Andreas X wrote: Hello I installed mariadb104-server-10.4.11 on FreeBSD 12.1, however it didn't come with a sample my.cnf at all. Where to find a sample conf. file for such version? Or how to get the currently installed config variables like datadir, innodb_data_home_dir, to make my own conf file? Thank you. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 1 20:02:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F59B22A0BC for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 20:02:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hamdi20193d@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4894l64J3mz40Gd for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 20:02:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hamdi20193d@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com with SMTP id t12so6521152vso.13 for ; Sat, 01 Feb 2020 12:02:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=50LusfbAajDJQH0q8J0yIY/PVxViqETgCmhzBfeT7nI=; b=dyQpKZuPqkS9skvx46fcTfU3u2joISn+2cUBX41mBePmGMla4TfU8MBuIaEUYOX8FC 6zM/XxwJOiQ9rrOxyEF+A3H+BPlL62yDpfBbTDz0hoiwQ1S2CEQpyXkpFlGjId24X9x2 vJXb/Pw3UruytnL/UBXyiM8uVohAbQC90Ymbw7db6g+DYXxG21ihYXOCfXw9sgZJvop8 qYCAd09ML2Qmu+S7WQJukPxE7KGw3O72ZBkaoLOw+giAVwBi7x07FF76YnZNS16SMGeI 5vqihJHy21Vd+6inG6UJzba33nUAmG1tqhcAH/tVAIcOH89WNfEWifecHWnsIv095oAL 7pKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=50LusfbAajDJQH0q8J0yIY/PVxViqETgCmhzBfeT7nI=; b=JPobIEjhjhbcwl7sU8qR53Kyo/ZxukQryjNO8VwZM4ewpYaE0OXdm24jCNZy0OrZQH 4KRjdULmjFrrMbrmWJRbqQdH6rPGOoydB3MpBhs3/fIypZ9Uln72YijQe2TZ+qdpMVPc 0WoQGy9X8OhWCkVnlnZJzCSG3KwzHFZeKPF1dmOqq2Wn7oJnHibBwGdoSfJ4mUraycHf 45M0IDbGdHmTa59nFSMbMEoxV/XtHCH9a7bgwbBk/36E4oPD0rKzyEW91S4uCvObJLE6 oX8p3qmCVX9SEDCQO7MLLBhLurzUuFF1YK162nc5ZsomggZPeFhDw9CC10WlMuuGVOz+ XSQA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWug01tWxgQg/j8y4De24Y5m1DYcG8t8VpBRvYwFel4SzVDeL1s EDHcCioWXVfYMMYe1KbZUeCbRm7QuuBckWQ4ygI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwYh/2stU4HZPPbQzXnf01jQ0/E29KgMHJ8zgy+JxK4qLaCi4QJzNgwuCvrnzeYRwzzeor83x245Q8LLE3gMLs= X-Received: by 2002:a67:fd0d:: with SMTP id f13mr10738771vsr.125.1580587377728; Sat, 01 Feb 2020 12:02:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1065217562.310518.1580586031261@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1065217562.310518.1580586031261@mail.yahoo.com> From: Andreas X Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 23:02:44 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: No my.cnf file at all? 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No, it seems they removed adding any .cnf file on the latest mariadb-server release. Could someone verify that please? Paul Pathiakis , 1 =C5=9Eub 2020 Cmt, 22:40 tarihinde = =C5=9Funu yazd=C4=B1: > Hi, > > Try a: > > cd /usr/local > find . -name 'my.cnf.*' -print > > Usually, a lot of software put example files in > /usr/local/share/.example or similar. > > Paul > > On Saturday, February 1, 2020, 2:33:19 PM EST, Andreas X < > hamdi20193d@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello > I installed mariadb104-server-10.4.11 on FreeBSD 12.1, however it didn't > come with a sample my.cnf at all. Where to find a sample conf. file for > such version? > > Or how to get the currently installed config variables like datadir, > innodb_data_home_dir, to make my own conf file? > > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 1 20:10:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96BF22A5DB for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 20:10:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4894vp436Gz40dk for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 20:10:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.102.106.179]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MfZ9C-1jUosC3DZ2-00fw3d; Sat, 01 Feb 2020 21:10:24 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 21:10:24 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Andreas X Cc: Paul Pathiakis , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No my.cnf file at all? 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No, it seems > they removed adding any .cnf file on the latest mariadb-server release. > > Could someone verify that please? The search for my.cnf or my.cnf.sample does not lead to any results because MariaDB has a different naming convention (i. e., not the ".sample" suffix everyone else uses). Try this: # find /usr/local -name my-default.cnf As you have installed it as a port (and it doesn't belong to the FreeBSD OS), the location beneath /usr/local is correct. I don't know if the sample file is already in /usr/local/etc or maybe /usr/local/etc/mysql, maybe you'll find it in /usr/local/share somewhere. Your actual configuration file /usr/local/etc/my.cnf can then be created with the my-default.cnf template file. More information here: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/configuring-mariadb-with-option-files/ -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Thread-Index: yVKQnr0UCicczXcjJ4l+X+Tjer1jUg== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4895ym1Gwlz44ql X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of siroga@agoris.net.ua has no SPF policy when checking 176.111.63.70) smtp.mailfrom=siroga@agoris.net.ua X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.79 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.26)[-0.262,0]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.01)[country: UA(0.07)]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.84)[0.841,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[agoris.net.ua]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[ml-lists@agoris.net.ua,siroga@agoris.net.ua]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24703, ipnet:176.111.63.0/24, country:UA]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[ml-lists@agoris.net.ua,siroga@agoris.net.ua]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2020 20:58:09 -0000 > Hello > I installed mariadb104-server-10.4.11 on FreeBSD 12.1, however it didn't > come with a sample my.cnf at all. Where to find a sample conf. file for > such version? > > Or how to get the currently installed config variables like datadir, > innodb_data_home_dir, to make my own conf file? Probably it can help you: SHOW VARIABLES You will see all default variables. > > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 1 22:17:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1605C22E49B for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 22:17:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hamdi20193d@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe35.google.com (mail-vs1-xe35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4897kK2Bxtz48M0 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 22:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hamdi20193d@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe35.google.com with SMTP id k188so6628207vsc.8 for ; Sat, 01 Feb 2020 14:17:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4WeHEq2Mvvo6NqPvCid5ppFqsfZaTWq1jwnOzJmenWc=; b=Fsjjz1v9ggofq6td7UhoNJcrVInNOd9YuyHZUBuaDSzs+hrqogjvzvde/Dj/PrJ16P AeWtn5DOy5/U4OFfWTkQ6ojWIGHPlKyQlyEz4xNB+ZDXG+DKsx8Bf29d+kYRi3b8LcY/ 0dfcc6curWPNjhdj0D8eRkuuLuQwg7FEInUNFpjkjNQAWHPKAbNheLsQAInBEbWAq9x0 xcZrYDnpRfrKaJrBIbZG8CMEfH49poJ5xIjinAB2tCJY9jyr+DhAXaqSLLXQ7tDq6XW9 8NotsN+xYwfoVPzYbHg3tv2YWFpVJ5BlG09YUpLpHLRKAUObN+SrLFKF9pliCUPQkJju AtNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4WeHEq2Mvvo6NqPvCid5ppFqsfZaTWq1jwnOzJmenWc=; b=CRFnfDe9c+qPf296VhnGMJdbbx3YxRqFtp6ZMolMbF0p1gQpqZxF7Q+EFi+QbOGOW6 3TLDHw9BDg2v9qvwu5Quoh6u9/9+57XYyuZuy4UuoNTezZZPHGSxg+3LhVdjaBm1KhBL cubJwdKuqEh2ZmxL8b1WfgLMBE0T2ONLLHOzpcJH1DfaLNyynKclmEPSGO1fsOxxgS5c 5bPJYPTSMFnkwB8BZ0kzyE/nb7SK13hQ//J1DI6gVgPghaw1WN7AiGcMHchOT9qzO7U8 UMDxSkS7Rqpg7Tv7eLmxNf7l6732iSkCURTcbmCebzTwWJ4jZ8rfPzUSG58EhuRSQdPb pmhw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUHSMw4New/hr1411MA//UKJY0/5MFCQH0oU7ha+i535GKjXodF GaMUD6tkBJNVDNr9KPzGmRcgCoV/X4ImRszt+80= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzomJUGgQAvNN67rBx6JzKaZxKnepZdLtVXNbWulHuy9KZCsCWptA4qXd3DeTr9Vc3WXWblY8BpdePXLowAy5w= X-Received: by 2002:a67:6601:: with SMTP id a1mr10864237vsc.0.1580595448239; Sat, 01 Feb 2020 14:17:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:71d4:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 14:17:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20200201211024.ac11b2d8.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1065217562.310518.1580586031261@mail.yahoo.com> <20200201211024.ac11b2d8.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Andreas X Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 01:17:27 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: No my.cnf file at all? 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And as I stated earlier, I searched for ANY file, any directory with extension .cnf, it is unbelieveable but it seems they removed it. Mariadb 10.4, FreeBSD 12.1. I need to optimize, configure and customize my MariaDB installation, that's why I need that file. Creating a local my own my.cnf file from randomly-grabbed sample config files over the Internet would be horrible. A lot of different variables such as datadir, socket path, etc, would be a huge mess. Any idea? 1 =C5=9Eubat 2020 Cumartesi tarihinde Polytropon yazd=C4= =B1: > On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 23:02:44 +0300, Andreas X wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > > > I did such search not only in /usr/local, but entire server. No, it see= ms > > they removed adding any .cnf file on the latest mariadb-server release. > > > > Could someone verify that please? > > The search for my.cnf or my.cnf.sample does not lead to any results > because MariaDB has a different naming convention (i. e., not the > ".sample" suffix everyone else uses). > > Try this: > > # find /usr/local -name my-default.cnf > > As you have installed it as a port (and it doesn't belong to the > FreeBSD OS), the location beneath /usr/local is correct. I don't > know if the sample file is already in /usr/local/etc or maybe > /usr/local/etc/mysql, maybe you'll find it in /usr/local/share > somewhere. > > Your actual configuration file /usr/local/etc/my.cnf can then be > created with the my-default.cnf template file. > > More information here: > > https://mariadb.com/kb/en/configuring-mariadb-with-option-files/ > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 1 22:35:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1045A22ED8E for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 22:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48986Y3XNsz49Pj for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2020 22:35:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.102.106.179]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N18MG-1jiWPS23GE-012XKc; Sat, 01 Feb 2020 23:34:56 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 23:34:56 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Andreas X Cc: Paul Pathiakis , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: No my.cnf file at all? 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It doesn't matter. If you compile a port, a package gets installed. So technically there's no difference, that's why termini technici like "the OS" and "from ports" are often used to distinguish between what is provided by FreeBSD (OS component) and what's 3rd party software (installed by user). :-) > And as I stated earlier, I searched > for ANY file, any directory with extension .cnf, it is unbelieveable but it > seems they removed it. > > Mariadb 10.4, FreeBSD 12.1. > > I need to optimize, configure and customize my MariaDB installation, that's > why I need that file. > > Creating a local my own my.cnf file from randomly-grabbed sample config > files over the Internet would be horrible. A lot of different variables > such as datadir, socket path, etc, would be a huge mess. I definitely agree. Copypasta from discussion platforms is never a good foundation for production environments. ;-) It also seems that MariaDB's documentation, which I pointed to in my previous message, doesn't seem to match reality (or at least doesn't seem to match how MariaDB is installed and configured on FreeBSD). So in worst case, you can contact the maintainer of the MariaDB port and ask. The official documentation refers to 10.0.13 and above, which your version of 10.4 definitely matches. Allow me to repeat: Example Option Files Most MariaDB installations include a sample MariaDB option file called my-default.cnf. [...] In source distributions, the sample option files are usually found in the support-files directory, and in other distributions, the option files are usually found in the share/mysql directory that is relative to the MariaDB base installation directory. Source: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/configuring-mariadb-with-option-files/ So if this file isn't anywhere (!) to find, there is probably something wrong. > Any idea? If you can remember a _specific_ part of content that should be in my.cnf, you could search through all files (not just *.cnf) in /usr/local and see if something matches. Even though this is possible via find | xargs grep, it's probably much easier to use a tool like the Midnight Commander and its search function (M-?). Another idea: Go to /usr/ports and the MariaDB directory, run the following commands: # make fetch # make extract Without installing that version, search the newly created subtree for the file my-default.cnf (or any *.cnf), as the documentation says is should be there. If it's not, contact the port's maintainer as suggested above. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...