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Elsukov" To: Stefan Ehmann , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <04b8c47f-17a6-f0dc-1f96-c079bf76de13@yandex.ru> Subject: Re: 13.0: partiton names changed References: <80999036.0ko45tJjV3@walrus.pepperland> In-Reply-To: <80999036.0ko45tJjV3@walrus.pepperland> --o92aXPqOvWavrcvGb5K4yzVuyRW8gIISJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 10.04.2021 16:38, Stefan Ehmann =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > I've just updated an old machine from 12.2 to 13.0 > (ea31abc261ffc01b6ff5671bffb15cf910a07f4b) >=20 > Attaching the /home EBR partition gave me this puzzling error: >=20 > # geli attach ada0s5 > Enter passphrase: > geli: Provider not found: "ada0s5" > geli: There was an error with at least one provider. >=20 > Further investigation showed that there is a symlink from /dev/ada0s5 t= o > ada0s4+00000001 but geom doesn't recognize ada0s5 anymore. >=20 > Didn't find anything about it in the release notes: > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/relnotes/ >=20 > I guess EBR is no longer in wide use, but this is an old installation, = as > already mentioned. https://reviews.freebsd.org/D24939 --=20 WBR, Andrey V. 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What I can see in this case is the CPU going almost idle, and several processes shown in `top` in state "zfs te" (and procstat shows "zfs tear" for that). For up to several seconds, no disk I/O completes (even starting a new process is impossible), then it recovers. Only two times, I have seen the system going into a deadlock instead, with printing messages similar to this to the serial console: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer ... I have this behavior since -RC3 (followed releng/13.0 now up to -RELEASE). Before that, I had the vnlru-related problem that was fixed with faa41af1fed350327cc542cb240ca2c6e1e8ba0c. Some details: * CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240L v5 @ 2.10GHz * RAM: 64GB (ECC) * Four HDDs (Seagate NAS models), 4TB each * Swap 16GB, striped over the 4 disks * Pool: 12TB raid-z on GELI-encrypted partitions. NOT upgraded yet, so I have a way back to 12.2. * Two bhyve VMs running with 1GB and 8GB RAM, both wired * Several jails running services like samba, an MTA, nginx... * Several NFS shares mounted by other machines * Poudriere running on idprio 22 with 8 parallel build jobs Reducing the parallel jobs in poudriere also reduces the frequency of the problem, but it doesn't seem to completely go away. Also, I have the impression running into these stalls is more likely when a lot of compilation jobs can be satisfied from ccache. Thanks for any ideas and insight (e.g. what this "zfs tear" status means). Best regards, Felix Palmen --=20 Dipl.-Inform. 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Elsukov wrote: > 10.04.2021 16:38, Stefan Ehmann =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > > I've just updated an old machine from 12.2 to 13.0 > > (ea31abc261ffc01b6ff5671bffb15cf910a07f4b) > >=20 > > Attaching the /home EBR partition gave me this puzzling error: > >=20 > > # geli attach ada0s5 > > Enter passphrase: > > geli: Provider not found: "ada0s5" > > geli: There was an error with at least one provider. > >=20 > > Further investigation showed that there is a symlink from /dev/ada0s5 to > > ada0s4+00000001 but geom doesn't recognize ada0s5 anymore. > >=20 > > Didn't find anything about it in the release notes: > > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/relnotes/ > >=20 > > I guess EBR is no longer in wide use, but this is an old installation, = as > > already mentioned. >=20 > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D24939 Thanks for the pointer (PR 232463 was already mentioned in private=20 communications). As I said above, there is a symlink in /dev. But geom eli is not aware of a= ny=20 aliases/links which breaks EBR eli entries in /etc/fstab. After reading the summary of D24939, I'm not sure if this behavior is=20 intentional. From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Tue Apr 13 14:01:54 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132F55E118B for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2021 14:01:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FKS2p03ywz4k4Q for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2021 14:01:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 022795E0FFB; Tue, 13 Apr 2021 14:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E265E12C4; Tue, 13 Apr 2021 14:01:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net (relay10.mail.gandi.net [217.70.178.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FKS2n2dYHz4jwn; Tue, 13 Apr 2021 14:01:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.0.88] (unknown [195.64.148.76]) (Authenticated sender: andriy.gapon@uabsd.com) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 64A22240017; Tue, 13 Apr 2021 14:01:50 +0000 (UTC) To: Mark Johnston Cc: freebsd-stable List , FreeBSD Current References: <0606571f-fec0-c7ad-98e8-a0b8554918e2@FreeBSD.org> From: Andriy Gapon Subject: Re: stable/13, vm page counts do not add up Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 17:01:49 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0 Thunderbird/78.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FKS2n2dYHz4jwn X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29169, ipnet:217.70.176.0/20, country:FR]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 14:01:54 -0000 On 07/04/2021 23:56, Mark Johnston wrote: > I don't know what might be causing it then. It could be a page leak. > The kernel allocates wired pages without adjusting the v_wire_count > counter in some cases, but the ones I know about happen at boot and > should not account for such a large disparity. I do not see it on a few > systems that I have access to. Mark or anyone, do you have a suggestion on how to approach hunting for the potential page leak? It's been a long while since I worked with that code and it changed a lot. Here is some additional info. I had approximately 2 million unaccounted pages. I rebooted the system and that number became 20 thousand which is more reasonable and could be explained by those boot-time allocations that you mentioned. After 30 hours of uptime the number became 60 thousand. I monitored the number and so far I could not correlate it with any activity. P.S. I have not been running any virtual machines. 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It could be a page leak. > > The kernel allocates wired pages without adjusting the v_wire_count > > counter in some cases, but the ones I know about happen at boot and > > should not account for such a large disparity. I do not see it on a few > > systems that I have access to. > > Mark or anyone, > > do you have a suggestion on how to approach hunting for the potential page leak? > It's been a long while since I worked with that code and it changed a lot. > > Here is some additional info. > I had approximately 2 million unaccounted pages. > I rebooted the system and that number became 20 thousand which is more > reasonable and could be explained by those boot-time allocations that you mentioned. > After 30 hours of uptime the number became 60 thousand. > > I monitored the number and so far I could not correlate it with any activity. > > P.S. > I have not been running any virtual machines. > I do use nvidia graphics driver. My guess is that something is allocating pages without VM_ALLOC_WIRE and either they're managed and something is failing to place them in page queues, or they're unmanaged and should likely be counted as wired. It is also possible that something is allocating wired, unmanaged pages and unwiring them without freeing them. For managed pages, vm_page_unwire() ensures they get placed in a queue. vm_page_unwire_noq() does not, but it is typically only used with unmanaged pages. The nvidia drivers do not appear to call any vm_page_* functions, at least based on the kld symbol tables. So you might try using DTrace to collect stacks for these functions, leaving it running for a while and comparing stack counts with the number of pages leaked while the script is running. Something like: fbt::vm_page_alloc_domain_after:entry /(args[3] & 0x20) == 0/ { @alloc[stack()] = count(); } fbt::vm_page_alloc_contig_domain:entry /(args[3] & 0x20) == 0/ { @alloc[stack()] = count(); } fbt::vm_page_unwire_noq:entry { @unwire[stack()] = count(); } fbt::vm_page_unwire:entry /args[0]->oflags & 0x4/ { @unwire[stack()] = count(); } It might be that the count of leaked pages does not relate directly to the counts collected by the script, e.g., because there is some race that results in a leak. But we can try to rule out some easier cases first. I tried to look for possible causes of the KTLS page leak mentioned elsewhere in this thread but can't see any obvious problems. Does your affected system use sendfile() at all? I also wonder if you see much mbuf usage on the system. From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed Apr 14 11:21:48 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE7B5D3EF2 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:21:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FL0Rc4wNYz4sB1 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:21:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A56CE5D4031; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51205D410E; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:21:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (relay5-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FL0Rc1wrLz4s70; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:21:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) X-Originating-IP: 195.64.148.76 Received: from [192.168.0.88] (unknown [195.64.148.76]) (Authenticated sender: andriy.gapon@uabsd.com) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A70F61C0007; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:21:45 +0000 (UTC) To: Mark Johnston Cc: freebsd-stable List , FreeBSD Current References: <0606571f-fec0-c7ad-98e8-a0b8554918e2@FreeBSD.org> From: Andriy Gapon Subject: Re: stable/13, vm page counts do not add up Message-ID: <23d370fa-41db-a89b-03fd-e45deb874aed@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:21:44 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0 Thunderbird/78.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FL0Rc1wrLz4s70 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:21:48 -0000 On 14/04/2021 00:18, Mark Johnston wrote: > fbt::vm_page_unwire:entry > /args[0]->oflags & 0x4/ > { > @unwire[stack()] = count(); > } Unrelated report, dtrace complains about this probe on my stable/13 system: failed to resolve translated type for args[0] And I do not have any idea why... From ctfdump: [27290] FUNC (vm_page_unwire) returns: 38 args: (1463, 3) <1463> TYPEDEF vm_page_t refers to 778 <778> POINTER (anon) refers to 3575 <3575> STRUCT vm_page (104 bytes) plinks type=3563 off=0 listq type=3558 off=128 object type=3564 off=256 pindex type=3565 off=320 phys_addr type=42 off=384 md type=3571 off=448 ref_count type=31 off=640 busy_lock type=31 off=672 a type=3573 off=704 order type=3 off=736 pool type=3 off=744 flags type=3 off=752 oflags type=3 off=760 psind type=2167 off=768 segind type=2167 off=776 valid type=3574 off=784 dirty type=3574 off=792 -- Andriy Gapon From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed Apr 14 13:32:32 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CA55D9529 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 13:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markjdb@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FL3LS4jTgz3GZb for ; 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Wed, 14 Apr 2021 06:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nuc ([142.126.164.150]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i6sm12232807qkf.96.2021.04.14.06.32.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 14 Apr 2021 06:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Mark Johnston Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:32:32 -0400 From: Mark Johnston To: Andriy Gapon Cc: freebsd-stable List , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: stable/13, vm page counts do not add up Message-ID: References: <0606571f-fec0-c7ad-98e8-a0b8554918e2@FreeBSD.org> <23d370fa-41db-a89b-03fd-e45deb874aed@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <23d370fa-41db-a89b-03fd-e45deb874aed@FreeBSD.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FL3LS3yyQz3GV0 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 13:32:32 -0000 On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 02:21:44PM +0300, Andriy Gapon wrote: > On 14/04/2021 00:18, Mark Johnston wrote: > > fbt::vm_page_unwire:entry > > /args[0]->oflags & 0x4/ > > { > > @unwire[stack()] = count(); > > } > > Unrelated report, dtrace complains about this probe on my stable/13 system: > failed to resolve translated type for args[0] > > And I do not have any idea why... There was a regression, see PR 253440. I think you have the fix already, but perhaps not. Could you show output from "dtrace -lv -n fbt::vm_page_unwire:entry"? > > From ctfdump: > [27290] FUNC (vm_page_unwire) returns: 38 args: (1463, 3) > > <1463> TYPEDEF vm_page_t refers to 778 > <778> POINTER (anon) refers to 3575 > <3575> STRUCT vm_page (104 bytes) > plinks type=3563 off=0 > listq type=3558 off=128 > object type=3564 off=256 > pindex type=3565 off=320 > phys_addr type=42 off=384 > md type=3571 off=448 > ref_count type=31 off=640 > busy_lock type=31 off=672 > a type=3573 off=704 > order type=3 off=736 > pool type=3 off=744 > flags type=3 off=752 > oflags type=3 off=760 > psind type=2167 off=768 > segind type=2167 off=776 > valid type=3574 off=784 > dirty type=3574 off=792 > > -- > Andriy Gapon From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed Apr 14 14:17:04 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43C25DAC7B for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:17:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FL4Kr3NLwz3K4N for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:17:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7247F5DAD0C; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721635DAA64 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:17:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: from system.jails.se (system.jails.se [52.16.239.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FL4Kq4Tzlz3K8y for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:17:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: from [172.20.10.2] (unknown [94.234.35.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by system.jails.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0703F32AF00 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:16:55 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Peter_Ankerst=C3=A5l?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Subject: using interface groups in pf tables stopped working in 13.0-RELEASE Message-Id: <431C3D85-C754-4E1C-94E0-333DE254F0AC@pean.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:16:54 +0200 To: "stable@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FL4Kq4Tzlz3K8y X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of peter@pean.org designates 52.16.239.146 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=peter@pean.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.11 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[peter]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[52.16.239.146:from]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[52.16.239.146:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pean.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.69)[0.690]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:52.16.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:17:04 -0000 In pf I use the interface group syntax alot to make the configuration = more readable. All interfaces are assigned to a group representing its = use/vlan name.=20 For example: ifconfig_igb1_102=3D"172.22.0.1/24 group iot description 'iot vlan' up" ifconfig_igb1_102_ipv6=3D"inet6 2001:470:de59:22::1/64" ifconfig_igb1_300=3D"172.26.0.1/24 group mgmt description 'mgmt vlan=E2=80= =99 up" ifconfig_igb1_300_ipv6=3D"inet6 2001:470:de59:26::1/64=E2=80=9D in pf.conf I use these group names all over the place. But since I = upgraded to 13.0-RELEASE it no longer works to define a table using the = :network syntax and interface groups: table const { trusted:network mgmt:network dmz:network = guest:network edmz:network \ admin:network iot:network client:network } If I reload the configuration I get the following: # pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf /etc/pf.conf:12: cannot create address buffer: Invalid argument pfctl: Syntax error in config file: pf rules not loaded I have tried to use just one network, double check the interface group = setting and so on, but with no luck.=20 to use actual interface works just fine: table { igb1.300:network } but using the group fails: # ifconfig -g mgmt igb1.300 table { mgmt:network } # pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf /etc/pf.conf:12: cannot create address buffer: Invalid argument pfctl: Syntax error in config file: pf rules not loaded Any ideas?=20 Thanks! /Peter.= From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed Apr 14 14:48:20 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A895DC401 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:48:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FL51w4XLtz3LyR for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:48:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 9B98A5DC400; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6555DC1B3 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:48:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: from system.jails.se (system.jails.se [52.16.239.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FL51v5DV1z3M5Y for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:48:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: from klein.pean.org (unknown [158.174.80.62]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by system.jails.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A06FC32B1BE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:48:17 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Peter_Ankerst=C3=A5l?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Subject: Re: using interface groups in pf tables stopped working in 13.0-RELEASE Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:48:16 +0200 References: <431C3D85-C754-4E1C-94E0-333DE254F0AC@pean.org> To: "stable@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <431C3D85-C754-4E1C-94E0-333DE254F0AC@pean.org> Message-Id: <6FB0F920-DB5D-4216-9879-1998981F5E27@pean.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FL51v5DV1z3M5Y X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of peter@pean.org designates 52.16.239.146 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=peter@pean.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.13 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[peter]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[52.16.239.146:from]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[52.16.239.146:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pean.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.67)[0.673]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:52.16.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:48:20 -0000 > On 14 Apr 2021, at 16:16, Peter Ankerst=C3=A5l wrote: >=20 > In pf I use the interface group syntax alot to make the configuration = more readable. All interfaces are assigned to a group representing its = use/vlan name.=20 It seems that the rest of my ruleset is also affected by this, and = interface groups combined with :network no longer work. For example I have this anchor: anchor in from trusted:network { } which before resolved to=20 anchor in inet from 172.25.0.0/24 to any { } but now resolves to: anchor in inet6 all { } /Peter.= From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed Apr 14 15:10:19 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAB75DCD2C for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:10:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FL5WH5S10z3N9g for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:10:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B93605DCD2B; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C745DCD96; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:10:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (relay5-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FL5WH2LWYz3N76; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:10:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) X-Originating-IP: 195.64.148.76 Received: from [192.168.0.88] (unknown [195.64.148.76]) (Authenticated sender: andriy.gapon@uabsd.com) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B7C531C0009; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:10:16 +0000 (UTC) To: Mark Johnston Cc: freebsd-stable List , FreeBSD Current References: <0606571f-fec0-c7ad-98e8-a0b8554918e2@FreeBSD.org> <23d370fa-41db-a89b-03fd-e45deb874aed@FreeBSD.org> From: Andriy Gapon Subject: Re: stable/13, vm page counts do not add up Message-ID: <9b1aa260-f54a-dc7a-bf19-1d83a49a01ac@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:10:15 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0 Thunderbird/78.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FL5WH2LWYz3N76 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:10:19 -0000 On 14/04/2021 16:32, Mark Johnston wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 02:21:44PM +0300, Andriy Gapon wrote: >> On 14/04/2021 00:18, Mark Johnston wrote: >>> fbt::vm_page_unwire:entry >>> /args[0]->oflags & 0x4/ >>> { >>> @unwire[stack()] = count(); >>> } >> >> Unrelated report, dtrace complains about this probe on my stable/13 system: >> failed to resolve translated type for args[0] >> >> And I do not have any idea why... > > There was a regression, see PR 253440. I think you have the fix > already, but perhaps not. Could you show output from > "dtrace -lv -n fbt::vm_page_unwire:entry"? dtrace -lv -n fbt::vm_page_unwire:entry ID PROVIDER MODULE FUNCTION NAME 54323 fbt kernel vm_page_unwire entry Probe Description Attributes Identifier Names: Private Data Semantics: Private Dependency Class: Unknown Argument Attributes Identifier Names: Private Data Semantics: Private Dependency Class: ISA Argument Types args[0]: (unknown) args[1]: (unknown) It seems that I should have the fix, but somehow I still have the problem. I've been doing NO_CLEAN builds for a long while, so maybe some stale file didn't get re-created... It looks that dt_lex.c under /usr/obj is rather dated. ... I've removed that file and rebuilt libdtrace and everything is okay now. Thank you. >> From ctfdump: >> [27290] FUNC (vm_page_unwire) returns: 38 args: (1463, 3) >> >> <1463> TYPEDEF vm_page_t refers to 778 >> <778> POINTER (anon) refers to 3575 >> <3575> STRUCT vm_page (104 bytes) >> plinks type=3563 off=0 >> listq type=3558 off=128 >> object type=3564 off=256 >> pindex type=3565 off=320 >> phys_addr type=42 off=384 >> md type=3571 off=448 >> ref_count type=31 off=640 >> busy_lock type=31 off=672 >> a type=3573 off=704 >> order type=3 off=736 >> pool type=3 off=744 >> flags type=3 off=752 >> oflags type=3 off=760 >> psind type=2167 off=768 >> segind type=2167 off=776 >> valid type=3574 off=784 >> dirty type=3574 off=792 >> >> -- >> Andriy Gapon -- Andriy Gapon From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed Apr 14 16:26:50 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665FF5E0827 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:26:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FL7CZ1C1xz3jHK for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:26:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 292695E0753; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EAB5E08C3 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:26:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FL7CY65MRz3jdQ for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:26:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 13EGQgr9077320; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:26:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:26:42 -0700 From: Chris To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_Ankerst=C3=A5l?= Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using interface groups in pf tables stopped working in 13.0-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <431C3D85-C754-4E1C-94E0-333DE254F0AC@pean.org> References: <431C3D85-C754-4E1C-94E0-333DE254F0AC@pean.org> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <551fea62780e0a2c5b4748fa3fce8027@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FL7CY65MRz3jdQ X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:26:50 -0000 On 2021-04-14 07:16, Peter Ankerstål wrote: > In pf I use the interface group syntax alot to make the configuration more > readable. All interfaces are assigned to a group representing its use/vlan > name. > > For example: > > ifconfig_igb1_102="172.22.0.1/24 group iot description 'iot vlan' up" > ifconfig_igb1_102_ipv6="inet6 2001:470:de59:22::1/64" > > ifconfig_igb1_300="172.26.0.1/24 group mgmt description 'mgmt vlan’ up" > ifconfig_igb1_300_ipv6="inet6 2001:470:de59:26::1/64” > > in pf.conf I use these group names all over the place. But since I upgraded > to > 13.0-RELEASE it no longer works to define a table using the :network syntax > and > interface groups: > > table const { trusted:network mgmt:network dmz:network > guest:network edmz:network \ > admin:network iot:network client:network } > > If I reload the configuration I get the following: > # pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf > /etc/pf.conf:12: cannot create address buffer: Invalid argument > pfctl: Syntax error in config file: pf rules not loaded Some changes in the pf source have been made over the last couple of months. The error returned appears to be related. It appears that your running into a table size/count and memory allocation related error. The first change moved/changed memory allocation to kernel space, requiring one to increase allocation via loader.conf(5). It was recently moved back to userspace allowing one to make changes to a running system via sysctl.conf(5) or the commandline. IOW if your on the recent change you should be able to simply increase your table count by executing something like: # echo "set limit table-entries " | pfctl -m -f - OTOH if your stuck with the change in kernelspace, increase net.pf.request_maxcount= by some amount in loader.conf(5). If you are on the newer userspace change, you can issue the sysctl(8) command at your terminal for net.pf.request_maxcount= as well. HTH --Chris > > I have tried to use just one network, double check the interface group > setting and > so on, but with no luck. > > to use actual interface works just fine: > > table { igb1.300:network } > > but using the group fails: > > # ifconfig -g mgmt > igb1.300 > > table { mgmt:network } > > # pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf > /etc/pf.conf:12: cannot create address buffer: Invalid argument > pfctl: Syntax error in config file: pf rules not loaded > > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > > /Peter. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed Apr 14 17:44:35 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C675E255C for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:44:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FL8xH0rkPz3n61 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:44:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 1B4A05E255B; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1265E255A for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:44:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: from system.jails.se (system.jails.se [52.16.239.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FL8xG70FZz3nBV for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:44:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@pean.org) Received: from klein.pean.org (unknown [158.174.80.62]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by system.jails.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 23F7F32C8C5; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 19:44:31 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Subject: Re: using interface groups in pf tables stopped working in 13.0-RELEASE From: =?utf-8?Q?Peter_Ankerst=C3=A5l?= In-Reply-To: <551fea62780e0a2c5b4748fa3fce8027@bsdforge.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 19:44:30 +0200 Cc: stable@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <157C274F-D5D7-47EB-A910-AF2744A22B64@pean.org> References: <431C3D85-C754-4E1C-94E0-333DE254F0AC@pean.org> <551fea62780e0a2c5b4748fa3fce8027@bsdforge.com> To: Chris X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FL8xG70FZz3nBV X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:44:35 -0000 const { trusted:network mgmt:network dmz:network >> guest:network edmz:network \ >> admin:network iot:network client:network } >> If I reload the configuration I get the following: >> # pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf >> /etc/pf.conf:12: cannot create address buffer: Invalid argument >> pfctl: Syntax error in config file: pf rules not loaded > Some changes in the pf source have been made over the last couple > of months. The error returned appears to be related. It appears > that your running into a table size/count and memory allocation > related error. The first change moved/changed memory allocation to > kernel space, requiring one to increase allocation via loader.conf(5). > It was recently moved back to userspace allowing one to make changes > to a running system via sysctl.conf(5) or the commandline. > IOW if your on the recent change you should be able to simply > increase your table count by executing something like: > # echo "set limit table-entries " | pfctl -m -f - > OTOH if your stuck with the change in kernelspace, increase > net.pf.request_maxcount=3D > by some amount in loader.conf(5). If you are on the newer userspace > change, you can issue the sysctl(8) command at your terminal for > net.pf.request_maxcount=3D > as well. I dont think so. Everything works normally if I switch from group name = to interface name in the config.=20 It seems to me that pf for some reason changed how it interprets group = names differently from 12.2-RELEASE-p4 and 13.0-RELEASE.=20 I dont really get how "anchor in from trusted:network=E2=80=9D can = resolve to "anchor in inet6 all=E2=80=9D /Peter.= From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed Apr 14 18:05:00 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40E05E2EA0 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:05:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FL9Nr2zKjz3pJW for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:05:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 6437B5E2E9F; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F6C5E3183 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:05:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FL9Nr1Cf9z3pJV for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:04:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 13EI4r7x093399; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:04:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:04:53 -0700 From: Chris To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_Ankerst=C3=A5l?= Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using interface groups in pf tables stopped working in 13.0-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <157C274F-D5D7-47EB-A910-AF2744A22B64@pean.org> References: <431C3D85-C754-4E1C-94E0-333DE254F0AC@pean.org> <551fea62780e0a2c5b4748fa3fce8027@bsdforge.com> <157C274F-D5D7-47EB-A910-AF2744A22B64@pean.org> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <771b53037deb44ccc4882c43c838ab59@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FL9Nr1Cf9z3pJV X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:05:00 -0000 On 2021-04-14 10:44, Peter Ankerstål wrote: > const { trusted:network mgmt:network dmz:network >>> guest:network edmz:network \ >>> admin:network iot:network client:network } >>> If I reload the configuration I get the following: >>> # pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf >>> /etc/pf.conf:12: cannot create address buffer: Invalid argument >>> pfctl: Syntax error in config file: pf rules not loaded >> Some changes in the pf source have been made over the last couple >> of months. The error returned appears to be related. It appears >> that your running into a table size/count and memory allocation >> related error. The first change moved/changed memory allocation to >> kernel space, requiring one to increase allocation via loader.conf(5). >> It was recently moved back to userspace allowing one to make changes >> to a running system via sysctl.conf(5) or the commandline. >> IOW if your on the recent change you should be able to simply >> increase your table count by executing something like: >> # echo "set limit table-entries " | pfctl -m -f - >> OTOH if your stuck with the change in kernelspace, increase >> net.pf.request_maxcount= >> by some amount in loader.conf(5). If you are on the newer userspace >> change, you can issue the sysctl(8) command at your terminal for >> net.pf.request_maxcount= >> as well. > > I dont think so. Everything works normally if I switch from group name to > interface name > in the config. Sure. I only mentioned it because 1) the error you received looked almost exactly the same as the one I encountered after the (pf source) changes, 2) alot of work has been done recently (as I mentioned above). :-) I'll defer to kp@ (Kristof Provost) for more insightful possibilities. As he's done most all the recent work. :-) --Chris > > It seems to me that pf for some reason changed how it interprets group names > differently from > 12.2-RELEASE-p4 and 13.0-RELEASE. > > I dont really get how "anchor in from trusted:network” can resolve to > "anchor in inet6 all” > > /Peter. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed Apr 14 18:09:08 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1E35E328B for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FL9Tc0cCgz3pSS for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 14B585E31CA; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146A65E328A; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FL9Tb4Rk9z3p8k; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:09:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 13EI91jo027515; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:09:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:09:01 -0700 From: Chris To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_Ankerst=C3=A5l?= Cc: stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-pf Subject: Re: using interface groups in pf tables stopped working in 13.0-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <771b53037deb44ccc4882c43c838ab59@bsdforge.com> References: <431C3D85-C754-4E1C-94E0-333DE254F0AC@pean.org> <551fea62780e0a2c5b4748fa3fce8027@bsdforge.com> <157C274F-D5D7-47EB-A910-AF2744A22B64@pean.org> <771b53037deb44ccc4882c43c838ab59@bsdforge.com> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FL9Tb4Rk9z3p8k X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:09:08 -0000 On 2021-04-14 11:04, Chris wrote: > On 2021-04-14 10:44, Peter Ankerstål wrote: >> const { trusted:network mgmt:network dmz:network >>>> guest:network edmz:network \ >>>> admin:network iot:network client:network } >>>> If I reload the configuration I get the following: >>>> # pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf >>>> /etc/pf.conf:12: cannot create address buffer: Invalid argument >>>> pfctl: Syntax error in config file: pf rules not loaded >>> Some changes in the pf source have been made over the last couple >>> of months. The error returned appears to be related. It appears >>> that your running into a table size/count and memory allocation >>> related error. The first change moved/changed memory allocation to >>> kernel space, requiring one to increase allocation via loader.conf(5). >>> It was recently moved back to userspace allowing one to make changes >>> to a running system via sysctl.conf(5) or the commandline. >>> IOW if your on the recent change you should be able to simply >>> increase your table count by executing something like: >>> # echo "set limit table-entries " | pfctl -m -f - >>> OTOH if your stuck with the change in kernelspace, increase >>> net.pf.request_maxcount= >>> by some amount in loader.conf(5). If you are on the newer userspace >>> change, you can issue the sysctl(8) command at your terminal for >>> net.pf.request_maxcount= >>> as well. >> >> I dont think so. Everything works normally if I switch from group name to >> interface name >> in the config. > Sure. I only mentioned it because 1) the error you received looked almost > exactly > the same as the one I encountered after the (pf source) changes, 2) alot of > work > has been done recently (as I mentioned above). :-) > I'll defer to kp@ (Kristof Provost) for more insightful possibilities. As > he's done > most all the recent work. :-) > > --Chris CC'ing pf@ for better coverage of your problem. >> >> It seems to me that pf for some reason changed how it interprets group >> names >> differently from >> 12.2-RELEASE-p4 and 13.0-RELEASE. >> >> I dont really get how "anchor in from trusted:network” can resolve to >> "anchor in inet6 all” >> >> /Peter. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed Apr 14 09:23:16 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D02F5D053C for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:23:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from N.Johannsen@beckhoff.com) Received: from Internet2.beckhoff.com (internet2.beckhoff.com [194.25.186.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.beckhoff.com", Issuer "Thawte TLS RSA CA G1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FKxpq4T2Vz4lpm for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:23:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from N.Johannsen@beckhoff.com) Received: from 172.17.2.171 by Internet2.beckhoff.com (Tls12, Aes256, Sha384, DiffieHellmanEllipticKey256); Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:23:13 GMT Received: from ex06.beckhoff.com (172.17.5.171) by ex05.beckhoff.com (172.17.2.171) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.1.2242.4; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:23:13 +0200 Received: from ex06.beckhoff.com ([fe80::1952:aa01:ee0e:c5f8]) by ex06.beckhoff.com ([fe80::1952:aa01:ee0e:c5f8%4]) with mapi id 15.01.2242.008; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:23:13 +0200 From: Nils Johannsen To: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: 13.0-RELEASE MemStick does not install EFI Loader Thread-Topic: 13.0-RELEASE MemStick does not install EFI Loader Thread-Index: AdcxD2K1wYANnew+Sje7lP5NkasilA== Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:23:13 +0000 Message-ID: <55d4a8aa47674322bd12c5e856345ac4@beckhoff.com> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.17.129.38] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FKxpq4T2Vz4lpm X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of N.Johannsen@beckhoff.com designates 194.25.186.210 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=N.Johannsen@beckhoff.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.96 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[194.25.186.210:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[beckhoff.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[194.25.186.210:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.66)[-0.660]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[194.25.186.210:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3320, ipnet:194.25.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[194.25.186.210:from] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 19:05:47 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:23:16 -0000 Hi all together, I have downloaded the memstick (link below), dd it to a usb stick, added th= e `installerconfig` (see below) to `/etc/installerconfig` and tried to inst= all FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE automatically to a PC. After rebooting the system = came not up, because the `efi` partition should be created by `bsdinstall` = was empty and did not include the `bootx64.efi`. After mounting the `efi` p= artition, creating the directory and copied the `/boot/loader.efi` to `/efi= /boot/bootx64.efi` the new installed system booted up. After `mount -u -rw /`, adding some `f_dprintf` to `/usr/libexec/bsdinstall= /bootconfig` and a manual installation with `bsdinstall script /root/instal= lerconfig | tee /root/installer.log` it generates this log: - https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2105237 This log indicates me, that the `efi` partition is not mounted while the `b= ootconfig` script tries to copy the `loader` to it... see below the extract= from the `installer.log`. MemStick: - https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/13.0/Fre= eBSD-13.0-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img installerconfig: ``` export nonInteractive=3D"YES" export ZFSBOOT_DISKS=3Dada0 DISTRIBUTIONS=3D"kernel.txz base.txz" #!/bin/sh # see `man bsdinstall` sysrc ifconfig_DEFAULT=3DDHCP sysrc sshd_enable=3DYES ``` installer.log: ``` DEBUG: Running installation step: bootconfig DEBUG: dialog.subr: DEBUG_SELF_INITIALIZE=3D[] DEBUG: UNAME_S=3D[FreeBSD] UNAME_P=3D[amd64] UNAME_R=3D[13.0-RELEASE] DEBUG: common.subr: Successfully loaded. DEBUG: uname -m =3D> amd64 DEBUG: mount =3D> /dev/ufs/FreeBSD_Install on / (ufs, local) devfs on /dev (devfs) tmpfs on /tmp (tmpfs, local) tmpfs on /var (tmpfs, local) zroot/ROOT/default on /mnt (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls) zroot/tmp on /mnt/tmp (zfs, local, noatime, nosuid, nfsv4acls) zroot/usr/home on /mnt/usr/home (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls) zroot/usr/ports on /mnt/usr/ports (zfs, local, noatime, nosuid, nfsv4acls) zroot/usr/src on /mnt/usr/src (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls) zroot/var/audit on /mnt/var/audit (zfs, local, noatime, noexec, nosuid, nfs= v4acls) zroot/var/crash on /mnt/var/crash (zfs, local, noatime, noexec, nosuid, nfs= v4acls) zroot/var/log on /mnt/var/log (zfs, local, noatime, noexec, nosuid, nfsv4ac= ls) zroot/var/mail on /mnt/var/mail (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) zroot/var/tmp on /mnt/var/tmp (zfs, local, noatime, nosuid, nfsv4acls) zroot on /mnt/zroot (zfs, local, noatime, nfsv4acls) DEBUG: Installing loader.efi onto ESP DEBUG: mkdir -p "/mnt/boot/efi//efi/freebsd" "/mnt/boot/efi//efi/boot" DEBUG: cp "/mnt/boot/loader.efi" "/mnt/boot/efi//efi/freebsd/loader.efi" DEBUG: Creating UEFI boot entry DEBUG: efibootmgr --create --activate --label "FreeBSD" --loader "/mnt/boo= t/efi//efi/freebsd/loader.efi" DEBUG: Finished configuring ESP ``` Regards from L=FCbeck, Nils Beckhoff Automation GmbH & Co. KG | Managing Director: Dipl. Phys. Hans Bec= khoff Registered office: Verl, Germany | Register court: Guetersloh HRA 707= 5 From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Thu Apr 15 01:33:04 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39D15D8EAE for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 01:33:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FLMKq5D6kz4j2N; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 01:33:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.148.124]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id WqsNlg0dIHmS3WqsPlhrjI; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 19:33:01 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=MaypB7zf c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=607797cd a=Cwc3rblV8FOMdVN/wOAqyQ==:117 a=Cwc3rblV8FOMdVN/wOAqyQ==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=3YhXtTcJ-WEA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=CblcHAecsDUvexUjKecA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=7XECGsRVCcEA:10 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C082B262; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slippy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 13F1Ww9w003426; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:32:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <202104150132.13F1Ww9w003426@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Cy Schubert cc: Ed Maste , freebsd-stable stable Subject: Re: Deprecating base system ftpd? Comments: In-reply-to Cy Schubert message dated "Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:44:59 -0700." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:32:58 -0700 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfMbdhUIvksB5NYSd5XYymnmZl32za3e9rX8IJsol7YNVb5KPS0nK3KNhce366qzembGP3A5O0ssC7LuhF8p0OhbVGPVUu3O3hoxL7EmEZ21qO5EToTK3 kvLsb+nwjwWcZKYPvtYG/qxCFha1PxwY1XQ3r9p4q2GNpQSJM5BvDsZqiVXo5D4Nx2D6GkhdBvrhQ1C4d3rbSkkZ0+/9pc6WRmceOKvQUpxidPt8GLZaCmu7 Z6C9mIvLxJBaDPAxvWQ1bA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FLMKq5D6kz4j2N X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cy.schubert@cschubert.com has no SPF policy when checking 64.59.136.137) smtp.mailfrom=cy.schubert@cschubert.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[70.66.148.124:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[64.59.136.137:from]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cschubert.com: no valid DMARC record]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[64.59.136.137:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.59.136.137:from]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 01:33:04 -0000 Cy Schubert writes: > In message om> > , Ed Maste writes: > > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system > > before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447 > > (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page. > > I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped > > off my list. FTP is not nearly as relevant now as it once was, and it > > had a security vulnerability that secteam had to address. > > I think this is an excellent start. My shopping list includes: > > - remove ftp(1) > - remove ftpd(8) > - remove telnet(1) > - remove telnetd(8) > - remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all > use https://. > - replace DNS lookups with DoH and/or DoT. Why let your ISP see your DNS > traffic? > > > > > I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments? > > I've started working on splitting ftp and ftpd into an external git repo. > The problem I've encountered is that though only ftp and ftpd are left the > resultant repo is still 1.2 GB. If my last attempt fails, there is a choice > between a 1.2 GB repo and burning ftp forever then the choice is clear: > burn it forever. The best I can do to separate libexec/ftpd out into its own repo is 596 MB (ZFS lz4 compressed). The worst was 1.5 GB. I suppose 596 MB will do. If we want to make it smaller then history will need to take a back seat. We can do a port with it now. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Thu Apr 15 02:28:54 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148CC5DB6B7 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 02:28:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andyf@andyit.com.au) Received: from alpine.spintel.net.au (alpine.spintel.net.au [IPv6:2407:e400:1::b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FLNZD0KXxz4lZh for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 02:28:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andyf@andyit.com.au) Received: from drunkfish.andyit.com.au (unknown [210.1.210.40]) by alpine.spintel.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F3EE4C2157 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:28:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from [172.22.2.15] (tosh2.andyit.com.au [172.22.2.15]) by drunkfish.andyit.com.au (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 13F2ScTL015069 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:28:38 +1000 (AEST) (envelope-from andyf@andyit.com.au) Subject: Re: Deprecating base system ftpd? To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <202104150132.13F1Ww9w003426@slippy.cwsent.com> From: Andy Farkas Message-ID: <93604520-bded-f8ff-989a-edf0affd0625@andyit.com.au> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:28:32 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <202104150132.13F1Ww9w003426@slippy.cwsent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FLNZD0KXxz4lZh X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of andyf@andyit.com.au has no SPF policy when checking 2407:e400:1::b) smtp.mailfrom=andyf@andyit.com.au X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.90 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2407:e400:1::b:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2407:e400:1::b:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[andyit.com.au]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:18390, ipnet:2407:e400::/32, country:AU]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 02:28:54 -0000 >> I think this is an excellent start. My shopping list includes: >> >> - remove ftp(1) >> - remove ftpd(8) >> - remove telnet(1) >> - remove telnetd(8) >> - remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all >> use https://. >> - replace DNS lookups with DoH and/or DoT. Why let your ISP see your DNS >> traffic? I wonder how many people use YP/NIS (man 8 yp)? It's a nifty concept; I played around with it last century... I believe there is still an open PR in bugzilla I created (can't find it right now, used a diffent email address back then, although same username). Removing it from base (if it should be done at all) looks very complicated and therefore creating a port equally so. I know this topic (removing ftpd) is closed, so perhaps this should be a new one (removing YP/NIS)?  ie. no development on yp has been done for over a decade. My view: remove neither -andyf From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Thu Apr 15 12:20:06 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942AB5ED842 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:20:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at) Received: from emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at (emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.3.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at", Issuer "GEANT OV RSA CA 4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FLdhP2Jbzz3pRy for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:20:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at) Received: from ferdi.local (dyn-ant72.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.6.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FLdhL2YGYz2PQ4 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:20:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:20:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Ferdinand Goldmann Reply-To: Ferdinand Goldmann To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd-update and speed Message-ID: <672990ce-2fa4-d3b0-57f1-1d3221f13e95@jku.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="8323328-391901453-1618489202=:549719" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FLdhP2Jbzz3pRy X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at designates 140.78.3.66 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.60 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[140.78.3.66:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:140.78.3.0/24]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[140.78.3.66:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1205, ipnet:140.78.0.0/16, country:AT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[jku.at]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:20:06 -0000 --8323328-391901453-1618489202=:549719 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I've noticed that ever since update3.freebsd.org is gone (which was in Czech republic I think), FreeBSD updates are often quite slow for me (= Austria/Europe) Especially so for major release upgrades. In fact so slow that I have time to type this mail while waiting for '8778 patches....'. The other day, freebsd-update even suffered a timeout. What are other European users experiences and is there anything to do about it? 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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[jku.at]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:28:27 -0000 --8323328-695108990-1618489704=:549719 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8323328-1994026842-1618489704=:549719" --8323328-1994026842-1618489704=:549719 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Following up on my own mail: > to type this mail while waiting for '8778 patches....'. Which has ended in: 7110....7120 done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 1965 files... failed. and after restarting it: Fetching 1750 patches [...] Applying patches... done. Fetching 326 files... 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PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::631:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::631:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 13:59:17 -0000 Yeah it took some time. One machine (Netherlands) took 4 hours to download the patches, failed multiple times but it finished after all. today another box was faster but failed one time. Far from perfect From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Thu Apr 15 14:01:06 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96AD5F16A2 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: from connect.ultra-secure.de (connect.ultra-secure.de [88.198.71.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FLgwx4rzZz3w3t for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: (Haraka outbound); Thu, 15 Apr 2021 16:03:57 +0200 Received-SPF: SoftFail (connect.ultra-secure.de: domain of ultra-secure.de does not designate 217.71.83.52 as permitted sender) receiver=connect.ultra-secure.de; identity=mailfrom; client-ip=217.71.83.52; helo=[192.168.1.238]; envelope-from= Received: from [192.168.1.238] (217-071-083-052.ip-tech.ch [217.71.83.52]) by connect.ultra-secure.de (Haraka/2.6.2-toaster) with ESMTPSA id 69ADE00E-1EE9-4CEE-B033-C1E82C5EDFDA.1 envelope-from (authenticated bits=0); Thu, 15 Apr 2021 16:03:52 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) Subject: Re: freebsd-update and speed From: Rainer Duffner In-Reply-To: <672990ce-2fa4-d3b0-57f1-1d3221f13e95@jku.at> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 16:00:51 +0200 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0F8B7132-0721-4999-9C3E-ED29C80BDB17@ultra-secure.de> References: <672990ce-2fa4-d3b0-57f1-1d3221f13e95@jku.at> To: Ferdinand Goldmann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-Haraka-GeoIP: EU, CH, 451km X-Haraka-ASN: 24951 X-Haraka-GeoIP-Received: X-Haraka-ASN: 24951 217.71.80.0/20 X-Haraka-ASN-CYMRU: asn=24951 net=217.71.80.0/20 country=CH assignor=ripencc date=2003-08-07 X-Haraka-FCrDNS: 217-071-083-052.ip-tech.ch X-Haraka-p0f: os="Mac OS X " link_type="DSL" distance=16 total_conn=1 shared_ip=N X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on spamassassin X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, SPF_SOFTFAIL,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Haraka-Karma: score: 6, good: 17214, bad: 613, connections: 19520, history: 16601, asn_score: 1194, asn_connections: 1356, asn_good: 1232, asn_bad: 38, pass:asn, relaying X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FLgwx4rzZz3w3t X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rainer@ultra-secure.de designates 88.198.71.201 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rainer@ultra-secure.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ultra-secure.de]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[88.198.71.201:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[88.198.71.201:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:88.198.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:01:06 -0000 > Am 15.04.2021 um 14:20 schrieb Ferdinand Goldmann = : >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I've noticed that ever since update3.freebsd.org is gone (which was in = Czech > republic I think), FreeBSD updates are often quite slow for me (=3D = Austria/Europe) > Especially so for major release upgrades. In fact so slow that I have = time > to type this mail while waiting for '8778 patches....'. >=20 > The other day, freebsd-update even suffered a timeout. >=20 > What are other European users experiences and is there anything to do = about it? >=20 > Regards > Ferdinand It=E2=80=99s OK-ish most of the time here (CH). It does *NOT* work through a proxy, due to the use of pipelined = http-requests. What=E2=80=99s your internet-connection? 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RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[104.236.120.189:from:127.0.2.255]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:10:48 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050002010300050900080007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/15/2021 08:28, Ferdinand Goldmann wrote: > Following up on my own mail: > >> to type this mail while waiting for '8778 patches....'. > > Which has ended in: > > 7110....7120 done. > Applying patches... done. > Fetching 1965 files... failed. > > and after restarting it: > > Fetching 1750 patches > [...] > Applying patches... done. > Fetching 326 files... > > This does 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--yhsxxz5wvrwff2i2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After more experimentation, I finally found what's causing these problems for me on 13: * Felix Palmen [20210412 11:44]: > * Poudriere running on idprio 22 with 8 parallel build jobs Running poudriere with normal priority works perfectly fine. Now, I've had poudriere running on idprio because there are several other services on that machine that shouldn't be slowed down by running a heavy build and I still want to use all the CPU resources available for building. Right now, I'm running a test with idprio 0 instead, which still seems to have the desired effect, and so far, I didn't have any of these stalls. If this persists, the problem is solved for me! I'd still be curious about what might be the cause, and, what this state "zfs tear" actually means. But that's kind of an "academic interest" now. --=20 Dipl.-Inform. Felix Palmen ,.//.......... {web} http://palmen-it.de {jabber} [see email] ,//palmen-it.de {pgp public key} http://palmen-it.de/pub.txt // """"""""""" {pgp fingerprint} A891 3D55 5F2E 3A74 3965 B997 3EF2 8B0A BC02 DA2A --yhsxxz5wvrwff2i2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEqJE9VV8uOnQ5ZbmXPvKLCrwC2ioFAmB4ae4ACgkQPvKLCrwC 2ipXbwgAl39/MM78rMZwJyeLi5yY3/CqKAXzgtAyLQsnMcqiv18N5DTfdIy4jt21 2v2Qe57/+pau2UKBPZhhCMeSap0PoFNBbUm6NXPHk/FvdoSyg8bWFRBDoa4l040F vSZ7TU1/fZQfNeDcoyHMC++lkZNx/y5t5UDp04G6iYvzZfBy9KO+UV7R+y4ideGb 3A5OI5BL0vfgVdcRkV78F1BuBlMN7gU2fYFPvSaS7ujItwJewodqxlB4WS7r54U4 WLz2ObGZM+L4mZI/tRVwafRkEFej8iCqQfNs/rMJnxW8mIZxY619q77s8qQO2H2P S4CFzpaZaT85cZCcXvjGInLkvahL7Q== =pxnn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yhsxxz5wvrwff2i2-- From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Thu Apr 15 20:29:26 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310865D6487 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:29:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au (hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au [203.41.22.115]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2560 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au", Issuer "Heuristic Systems Type 4 Host CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FLrXz72JQz4pdl for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:29:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from [10.0.5.3] (noddy.hs [10.0.5.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 13FKRiMS022844 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 06:27:45 +1000 (AEST) (envelope-from dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=heuristicsystems.com.au; s=hsa; t=1618518465; x=1619123266; bh=cmcYdvB8eeQd8oyqDa9VRGxg2eP+jCvrineUCbY9/n8=; h=Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date; b=LTifbOnKoHtqRaWtEIuPQVojKUz9cPYvLiOIt0ESS84YC3SDXZPlfDP2xd+Dul7Ch P/0LBeRu+er65HqACGx0Wiwr45QPmgMVhN/hyh02K9+Wsp/QQgaBwr6kSIiWWHsMk5 SqFefub0S2/J4MzOb/HzGJxVPkbg5UTaaG3LRFAXf8HN8QwwOJtRe X-Authentication-Warning: b3.hs: Host noddy.hs [10.0.5.3] claimed to be [10.0.5.3] Subject: Re: Frequent disk I/O stalls while building (poudriere), processes in "zfs tear" state To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20210412094411.j3s7us5ru2d7dzcz@nexus.home.palmen-it.de> <20210415162940.hoattch77lmoulih@nexus.home.palmen-it.de> From: Dewayne Geraghty Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 06:26:24 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210415162940.hoattch77lmoulih@nexus.home.palmen-it.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FLrXz72JQz4pdl X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=heuristicsystems.com.au header.s=hsa header.b=LTifbOnK; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au designates 203.41.22.115 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.19 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[203.41.22.115:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1221, ipnet:203.40.0.0/13, country:AU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[heuristicsystems.com.au:s=hsa]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:29:26 -0000 On 16/04/2021 2:29 am, Felix Palmen wrote: > After more experimentation, I finally found what's causing these > problems for me on 13: > > * Felix Palmen [20210412 11:44]: >> * Poudriere running on idprio 22 with 8 parallel build jobs > > Running poudriere with normal priority works perfectly fine. Now, I've > had poudriere running on idprio because there are several other services > on that machine that shouldn't be slowed down by running a heavy build > and I still want to use all the CPU resources available for building. > > Right now, I'm running a test with idprio 0 instead, which still seems > to have the desired effect, and so far, I didn't have any of these > stalls. If this persists, the problem is solved for me! > > I'd still be curious about what might be the cause, and, what this state > "zfs tear" actually means. But that's kind of an "academic interest" > now. > Most likely your other processes are pre-empting your build, which is what you want :). Use /usr/bin/top to see the priority of the processes (ie under the PRI column). Using an idprio 22, means (on my 12.2Stable) a PRI of 146. If your kern.sched.preempt_thresh is using the default (of 80) then processes with a PRI of <80 will preempt (for IO). Even with an idprio 0, the PRI is 124. So I suspect that was more a matter of timing (ie good luck). You could increase your pre-emption threshold for the duration of the build, to include your nice value. But... (not really a good idea). Better if you run your build using nice (PRI of 76) which should avoid the stalls, but should also influence your more important services. Re zfs - sorry, I'm peculiar and don't use it ;) From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Thu Apr 15 21:48:23 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236BC5D9944 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 21:48:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FLtJ651YZz4v14 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 21:48:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 13FLlvYo016663; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:48:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:47:57 -0700 From: Chris To: Andy Farkas Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Deprecating base system ftpd? In-Reply-To: <93604520-bded-f8ff-989a-edf0affd0625@andyit.com.au> References: <202104150132.13F1Ww9w003426@slippy.cwsent.com> <93604520-bded-f8ff-989a-edf0affd0625@andyit.com.au> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FLtJ651YZz4v14 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 21:48:23 -0000 On 2021-04-14 19:28, Andy Farkas wrote: >>> I think this is an excellent start. My shopping list includes: >>> >>> - remove ftp(1) >>> - remove ftpd(8) >>> - remove telnet(1) >>> - remove telnetd(8) >>> - remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all >>> use https://. >>> - replace DNS lookups with DoH and/or DoT. Why let your ISP see your DNS >>> traffic? > > > I wonder how many people use YP/NIS (man 8 yp)? > It's a nifty concept; I played around with it last century... > I believe there is still an open PR in bugzilla I created (can't find it > right now, used a diffent email address back then, although same > username). LOL I did the same a year or so ago. I felt much the same as you describe. But I've since discovered it can be leveraged in ways that it did not originally intend to do. So I've since decided that given in whole it's small footprint, along with a proven track record. It has value enough that it ought to remain. > > Removing it from base (if it should be done at all) looks very complicated > and therefore creating a port equally so. > > I know this topic (removing ftpd) is closed, so perhaps this should be > a new one (removing YP/NIS)?  ie. no development on yp has been > done for over a decade. > > My view: remove neither I concur. :-) > > > -andyf --Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Fri Apr 16 07:27:36 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A92A5E7967 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 07:27:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix@palmen-it.de) Received: from stef.palmen-it.de (stef.palmen-it.de [84.38.67.7]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FM78R1z2lz3NZS for ; 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Fri, 16 Apr 2021 09:27:32 +0200 Received: from nexus.home.palmen-it.de ([192.168.99.2]) by mail.home.palmen-it.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256 (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lXIt2-00083I-1J for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 07:27:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 09:27:31 +0200 From: Felix Palmen To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Frequent disk I/O stalls while building (poudriere), processes in "zfs tear" state Message-ID: <20210416072731.yla76q7sbxmmapc6@nexus.home.palmen-it.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Face: /1K@t"h.}e~pR@]c7HorQ!T`F^RJCa'BCr#e>IKA{>C/9OTGB4|xh"y2{?1Z5M i2w"AH^pN_LlHR^{+f',_Np~; .B; !M/bL}*qk]p5*r7F5vW}; {:@4u5S?T&f0$7BJ-71Q5SV]:v$`5 A0[DZ:=?S52x8HJ~5@^P_\T@MsjG{R( Organization: palmen-it.de References: <20210412094411.j3s7us5ru2d7dzcz@nexus.home.palmen-it.de> <20210415162940.hoattch77lmoulih@nexus.home.palmen-it.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; 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ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[palmen-it.de:s=20200414]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[palmen-it.de:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[84.38.67.7:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 07:27:36 -0000 --x3cm7atp66gr6t23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Dewayne Geraghty [20210416 06:26]: > On 16/04/2021 2:29 am, Felix Palmen wrote: > > Right now, I'm running a test with idprio 0 instead, which still seems > > to have the desired effect, and so far, I didn't have any of these > > stalls. If this persists, the problem is solved for me! > >=20 > > I'd still be curious about what might be the cause, and, what this state > > "zfs tear" actually means. But that's kind of an "academic interest" > > now. >=20 > Most likely your other processes are pre-empting your build, which is > what you want :). Yes, that's exactly the plan. > Use /usr/bin/top to see the priority of the processes (ie under the PRI > column). Using an idprio 22, means (on my 12.2Stable) a PRI of 146. If > your kern.sched.preempt_thresh is using the default (of 80) then > processes with a PRI of <80 will preempt (for IO). I was doing that a lot, that's how I found those "global" I/O stalls were happening when some processes were in that "zfs tear" state (shown in top only as "zfs te"). > Even with an idprio 0, the PRI is 124. So I suspect that was more a > matter of timing (ie good luck). That seems kind of unlikely because the behavior is pretty reproducible. Having observed builds on idprio 0 (yes, this results in a priority of 124) for a while, I still see from time to time processes getting "stuck" for a few seconds, mostly ccache processes, but now in state "zfsvfs" and the rest of the system is not affected, I/O still works. So, something did change with ZFS and priorities between 12.2 and 13.0. Running the whole builds on idprio 22 worked fine on 12.2. > You could increase your pre-emption threshold for the duration of the > build, to include your nice value. But... (not really a good idea). That would clearly defeat the purpose, yes ;) > Re zfs - sorry, I'm peculiar and don't use it ;) I suspect the relevant change to be exactly in that context, still thanks for answering :) Now that I have a working solution, it isn't an important issue for me any more. Curiosity remains=E2=80=A6 --=20 Dipl.-Inform. Felix Palmen ,.//.......... {web} http://palmen-it.de {jabber} [see email] ,//palmen-it.de {pgp public key} http://palmen-it.de/pub.txt // """"""""""" {pgp fingerprint} A891 3D55 5F2E 3A74 3965 B997 3EF2 8B0A BC02 DA2A --x3cm7atp66gr6t23 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEqJE9VV8uOnQ5ZbmXPvKLCrwC2ioFAmB5PF4ACgkQPvKLCrwC 2irwJQf7BTDl4h3WG+M3jSkHDYmJAJaHMB4FeceTDfqG+fE8krBQHcGMBQf7F5ME JWtOO0MqhHIJtBQOW5YDWzsITfWxyEgzIykY7oOuKQ1EFAazBCDoaHVyFDpMCPiy 63woYOvLXq7ck/leEc5vT8xlOPDP8Cuif5JwW+jC89zyK+tHd00MYiNcml0eKyIX +aFh9SNnpOzJorHBPBySP+1hW4Y/iNVPhwRqFqnCM3V1g0cbh54Q/ObzyeE/gqlD L+j57e0z88XQTcfdyzwGlMWWpnIZCUqIF9FJ0i87Vl2nkk+3bM/800yy71fbE9gB j7U2fV26nJ3csGKeAkit5PL9xxuz5g== =TV7O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x3cm7atp66gr6t23-- From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Fri Apr 16 07:56:25 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4065E83E3 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 07:56:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abrancatelli@schema31.it) Received: from vanadio.schema31.it (vanadio.schema31.it [62.77.63.157]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vanadio.pomona.schema31.it", Issuer "vanadio.pomona.schema31.it" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FM7nh4MqVz3QHF for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 07:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abrancatelli@schema31.it) Received: from smtp.schema31.it (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vanadio.pomona.schema31.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 13G7uFWp064259; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 09:56:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from abrancatelli@schema31.it) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 09:56:10 +0200 From: Andrea Brancatelli To: Ferdinand Goldmann Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update and speed Organization: Schema31 s.r.l. In-Reply-To: <672990ce-2fa4-d3b0-57f1-1d3221f13e95@jku.at> References: <672990ce-2fa4-d3b0-57f1-1d3221f13e95@jku.at> Message-ID: X-Sender: abrancatelli@schema31.it User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.16 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FM7nh4MqVz3QHF X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.16 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[62.77.63.157:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[schema31.it:s=gCloud]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:62.77.63.156/28]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.84)[0.837]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[62.77.63.157:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[schema31.it:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[schema31.it,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20746, ipnet:62.77.32.0/19, country:IT]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 07:56:25 -0000 On 2021-04-15 14:20, Ferdinand Goldmann wrote: > I've noticed that ever since update3.freebsd.org is gone (which was in Czech > republic I think), FreeBSD updates are often quite slow for me (= Austria/Europe) > Especially so for major release upgrades. In fact so slow that I have time > to type this mail while waiting for '8778 patches....'. I was experiencing the same problem and modified freebsd-update's config file to point directly to one of the other server, can't remember if update1 or update2 and it was faaaaast. --- Andrea Brancatelli From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Fri Apr 16 08:17:08 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C1B5E943C for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 08:17:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at) Received: from emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at (emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.3.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at", Issuer "GEANT OV RSA CA 4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FM8Fb3ssxz3R4n for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 08:17:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at) Received: from ferdi.local (dyn-ant75.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.6.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FM8FY2CRJz2PPv; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 10:17:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 10:17:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Ferdinand Goldmann Reply-To: Ferdinand Goldmann To: Rainer Duffner cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update and speed In-Reply-To: <0F8B7132-0721-4999-9C3E-ED29C80BDB17@ultra-secure.de> Message-ID: <3c25f2c6-8686-eb29-2877-cb601c6f46bc@jku.at> References: <672990ce-2fa4-d3b0-57f1-1d3221f13e95@jku.at> <0F8B7132-0721-4999-9C3E-ED29C80BDB17@ultra-secure.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="8323328-27759749-1618561025=:722269" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FM8Fb3ssxz3R4n X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at designates 140.78.3.66 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.60 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[140.78.3.66:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:140.78.3.0/24]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[140.78.3.66:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1205, ipnet:140.78.0.0/16, country:AT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[jku.at]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 08:17:08 -0000 --8323328-27759749-1618561025=:722269 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="8323328-1508423738-1618555360=:722269" Content-ID: --8323328-1508423738-1618555360=:722269 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: On Thu, 15 Apr 2021, Rainer Duffner wrote: > > > It=A2s OK-ish most of the time here (CH). > > It does *NOT* work through a proxy, due to the use of pipelined http-requ= ests. > > What=A2s your internet-connection? The 10Gbit uplink of my university, directly connected to the internet, not behind a proxy. I don't think that's the problem. When update3 was still on= line I'd always use that and updates were really fast back then. Now that update3 is gone all update servers seem to be in the US or Austral= ia. After waiting for nearly one hour: =2E.8530....8540....8550....8560....8570....8580....8590....8600....8610...= =2E8620....8630....8640....8650....8660....8670....8680....8690....8700....= done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 9628 files... gunzip: (stdin): unexpected end of file 0a4626107f3700cf5f87bd9c123bf427bd5a8561aadc2eca1d1605465c090935 has incorr= ect hash. 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<672990ce-2fa4-d3b0-57f1-1d3221f13e95@jku.at> <0F8B7132-0721-4999-9C3E-ED29C80BDB17@ultra-secure.de> <3c25f2c6-8686-eb29-2877-cb601c6f46bc@jku.at> From: Stefan Esser Subject: Re: freebsd-update and speed Message-ID: <1612a14e-47fe-aed1-6776-0fda136e70e3@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:46:41 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3c25f2c6-8686-eb29-2877-cb601c6f46bc@jku.at> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HPmr8v0LZyOAfCwHCA2lhZt4POt1dihcR" X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 10:46:45 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --HPmr8v0LZyOAfCwHCA2lhZt4POt1dihcR Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="fqg5xXXvlUymb1TgZTLNMaGdrBgIZ1A2W"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stefan Esser To: Ferdinand Goldmann , Rainer Duffner Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1612a14e-47fe-aed1-6776-0fda136e70e3@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: freebsd-update and speed References: <672990ce-2fa4-d3b0-57f1-1d3221f13e95@jku.at> <0F8B7132-0721-4999-9C3E-ED29C80BDB17@ultra-secure.de> <3c25f2c6-8686-eb29-2877-cb601c6f46bc@jku.at> In-Reply-To: <3c25f2c6-8686-eb29-2877-cb601c6f46bc@jku.at> --fqg5xXXvlUymb1TgZTLNMaGdrBgIZ1A2W Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 16.04.21 um 10:17 schrieb Ferdinand Goldmann: > On Thu, 15 Apr 2021, Rainer Duffner wrote: >=20 >> >> >> It=A2s OK-ish most of the time here (CH). >> >> It does *NOT* work through a proxy, due to the use of pipelined http-r= equests. >> >> What=A2s your internet-connection? >=20 > The 10Gbit uplink of my university, directly connected to the internet,=20 not > behind a proxy. I don't think that's the problem. When update3 was stil= l online > I'd always use that and updates were really fast back then. >=20 > Now that update3 is gone all update servers seem to be in the US or Aus= tralia. >=20 > After waiting for nearly one hour: >=20 > ..8530....8540....8550....8560....8570....8580....8590....8600....8610.= =2E..8620....8630....8640....8650....8660....8670....8680....8690....8700= =2E... =20 > done. > Applying patches... done. > Fetching 9628 files... gunzip: (stdin): unexpected end of file > 0a4626107f3700cf5f87bd9c123bf427bd5a8561aadc2eca1d1605465c090935 has in= correct=20 > hash. >=20 > This is getting kind of tiresome. :( There was a discussion about adding another mirror in Europe, but it was decided that a suitable system already existed. Not sure whether this mirror actually has been provided, but I do remember that it should have been a well connected system (maybe in NL?) that has been selected to perform all FreeBSD mirror services for users in Europe with little latency and high throughput. Regards, STefan --fqg5xXXvlUymb1TgZTLNMaGdrBgIZ1A2W-- --HPmr8v0LZyOAfCwHCA2lhZt4POt1dihcR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wsB5BAABCAAjFiEEo3HqZZwL7MgrcVMTR+u171r99UQFAmB5axEFAwAAAAAACgkQR+u171r99URu sQf/VyztgtpHy56b+gz8lLX+q2Mjs3olMcaTE5Ty64SQvRGNmR8Es9pICpRb75u2uUXv2238aavd 3f6nemgmuUJicA8EMgNk3f9pMMqHAYuIUbjU3An0aIbnImpoT0ygjnUgCXafWI3qTWEFlOBv77d5 1k/aIYTtcIjxCJIwaPzQ+Op+NY7rPjV8k1a5sGCACAGbHcl6Ka2Yj/Ljl202ybjQJ7eCF7miwRg5 TChtSwDzVGczV3I8W8hJ1BVw0cPNStSOQ/zqeKa/CBsRjv9Lp0p4Iqnm/GZBQ2lTL4kD5igEGqtI tI27A9cz9c6QDUWBBwLCH/NsremUJX9Iqq54XNSUoQ== =Qxh5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HPmr8v0LZyOAfCwHCA2lhZt4POt1dihcR-- From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Fri Apr 16 11:10:14 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3225EDA81 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at) Received: from emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at (emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.3.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at", Issuer "GEANT OV RSA CA 4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FMD5J6dr8z3pqq for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:10:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at) Received: from ferdi.local (dyn-ant75.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.6.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by emailsecure.uni-linz.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FMD5H02Bzz2PQ6; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:10:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:10:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Ferdinand Goldmann Reply-To: Ferdinand Goldmann To: Andrea Brancatelli cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update and speed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <672990ce-2fa4-d3b0-57f1-1d3221f13e95@jku.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="8323328-1324731487-1618571411=:722269" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FMD5J6dr8z3pqq X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at designates 140.78.3.66 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.60 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Ferdinand.Goldmann@jku.at]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[140.78.3.66:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:140.78.3.0/24]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[140.78.3.66:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1205, ipnet:140.78.0.0/16, country:AT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[jku.at]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:10:14 -0000 --8323328-1324731487-1618571411=:722269 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Apr 2021, Andrea Brancatelli wrote: > I was experiencing the same problem and modified freebsd-update's config file to point directly to one of the other server, can't remember > if update1 or update2 and it was faaaaast. I just tried update1 and it really was considerably faster. Might have been a coincidence... I'll see when I do the next updates in a few days. Anyway this should be something I'd like the freebsd-update utility to by itsself: Choose a fast mirror. Or at least have a documented way on how to adjust this instead of trial and error. 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FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[chris]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cretaforce.gr]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[195.201.253.216:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[cretaforce.gr:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:02:42 -0000 > On 16 Apr 2021, at 13:46, Stefan Esser wrote: >=20 > There was a discussion about adding another mirror in Europe, but > it was decided that a suitable system already existed. >=20 > Not sure whether this mirror actually has been provided, but I do > remember that it should have been a well connected system (maybe in > NL?) that has been selected to perform all FreeBSD mirror services > for users in Europe with little latency and high throughput. >=20 > Regards, STefan >=20 I use gitup with git.freebsd.org and it connects to = gitmir.pkt.freebsd.org which is in Netherlands. My servers are in = Germany and I get good speed. portsnap uses "AWS Global Accelerator" and while I use it I was getting = good speeds too. I am not familiar with freebsd-update as I build from source, but = update.freebsd.org points to update1.freebsd.org , update2.freebsd.org = and update4.freebsd.org which are not in Europe. Does any freebsd-update = mirror exist in Europe?= From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Fri Apr 16 15:58:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F655D5E44 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 15:58:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FMLV15FzVz4Y2G for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 15:58:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B288F5D5E43; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 15:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25205D608D for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 15:58:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FMLV14f2hz4Y2F; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 15:58:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@FreeBSD.org) Received: from venus.codepro.be (venus.codepro.be [5.9.86.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.codepro.be", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: kp) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7804F2FD29; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 15:58:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@FreeBSD.org) Received: by venus.codepro.be (Postfix, authenticated sender kp) id 6D69C2A4E2; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 17:58:31 +0200 (CEST) From: "Kristof Provost" To: "Peter =?utf-8?q?Ankerst=C3=A5l?=" Cc: "stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: using interface groups in pf tables stopped working in 13.0-RELEASE Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 17:58:30 +0200 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.2r5673) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <431C3D85-C754-4E1C-94E0-333DE254F0AC@pean.org> References: <431C3D85-C754-4E1C-94E0-333DE254F0AC@pean.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 15:58:33 -0000 On 14 Apr 2021, at 16:16, Peter Ankerstål wrote: > In pf I use the interface group syntax alot to make the configuration > more readable. All interfaces are assigned to a group representing its > use/vlan name. > > For example: > > ifconfig_igb1_102="172.22.0.1/24 group iot description 'iot vlan' up" > ifconfig_igb1_102_ipv6="inet6 2001:470:de59:22::1/64" > > ifconfig_igb1_300="172.26.0.1/24 group mgmt description 'mgmt vlan’ > up" > ifconfig_igb1_300_ipv6="inet6 2001:470:de59:26::1/64” > > in pf.conf I use these group names all over the place. But since I > upgraded to 13.0-RELEASE it no longer works to define a table using > the :network syntax and interface groups: > > table const { trusted:network mgmt:network > dmz:network guest:network edmz:network \ > admin:network iot:network client:network } > > If I reload the configuration I get the following: > # pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf > /etc/pf.conf:12: cannot create address buffer: Invalid argument > pfctl: Syntax error in config file: pf rules not loaded > I can reproduce that. It looks like there’s some confusion inside pfctl about the network group. It ends up in pfctl_parser.c, append_addr_host(), and expects an AF_INET or AF_INET6, but instead gets an AF_LINK. It’s probably related to 250994 or possibly d2568b024da283bd2b88a633eecfc9abf240b3d8. Either way it’s pretty deep in a part of the pfctl code I don’t much like. I’ll try to poke at it some more over the weekend. 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The following reports what happened. # bsdinstall default keymap Select Hostname OK ftp mirror OK Auto (ZFS) OK Install Select stripe OK [*] da0 OK Last Chance! da0 YES Error while fetching file:///usr/freebsd-dist/MANIFEST =E2=94=82 : No such file or directory OK Exit NOTE: the path is /usr/freebsd-dist/MANIFEST instead of /mnt/usr/freebsd-dist/MANIFEST but . . . # df -m Filesystem 1M-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ufs/rootfs 28862 3217 23336 12% / devfs 0 0 0 100% /dev /dev/msdosfs/MSDOSBOOT 49 24 25 49% /boot/msdos tmpfs 50 0 49 1% /tmp zroot/ROOT/default 197406 183 197222 0% /mnt zroot/tmp 197222 0 197222 0% /mnt/tmp zroot/usr/home 197222 0 197222 0% /mnt/usr/home zroot/usr/ports 197222 0 197222 0% /mnt/usr/ports zroot/usr/src 197222 0 197222 0% /mnt/usr/src zroot/var/audit 197222 0 197222 0% /mnt/var/audit zroot/var/crash 197222 0 197222 0% /mnt/var/crash zroot/var/log 197222 0 197222 0% /mnt/var/log zroot/var/mail 197222 0 197222 0% /mnt/var/mail zroot/var/tmp 197222 0 197222 0% /mnt/var/tmp zroot 197222 0 197222 0% /mnt/zroot # ls -Tla /mnt/usr/freebsd-dist/ total 187454 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 4 Apr 9 07:39:20 2021 . drwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 6 Apr 9 07:39:20 2021 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 165248188 Apr 9 07:39:20 2021 base.txz -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 26552108 Apr 9 07:39:21 2021 kernel.txz # ls -Tla /usr/freebsd-dist/ ls: /usr/freebsd-dist/: No such file or directory NOTE: creating /usr/freebsd-dist/ with a copy of the MANIFEST file in it was enough to get past this issue: it is doing Archive Extraction now. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sat Apr 17 19:12:48 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B915E02C4 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:12:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: from connect.ultra-secure.de (connect.ultra-secure.de [88.198.71.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FN2lg0bhgz3Fgh; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:12:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: (Haraka outbound); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:13:13 +0200 Received-SPF: SoftFail (connect.ultra-secure.de: domain of ultra-secure.de does not designate 217.71.83.52 as permitted sender) receiver=connect.ultra-secure.de; identity=mailfrom; client-ip=217.71.83.52; helo=[192.168.1.238]; envelope-from= Received: from [192.168.1.238] (217-071-083-052.ip-tech.ch [217.71.83.52]) by connect.ultra-secure.de (Haraka/2.6.2-toaster) with ESMTPSA id EFFF9FF5-228C-4B8D-8407-6835A133919F.1 envelope-from (authenticated bits=0); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:13:11 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) Subject: Re: freebsd-update and speed From: Rainer Duffner In-Reply-To: <3c25f2c6-8686-eb29-2877-cb601c6f46bc@jku.at> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:12:35 +0200 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, clusteradm@freebsd.org, dnsadm@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <672990ce-2fa4-d3b0-57f1-1d3221f13e95@jku.at> <0F8B7132-0721-4999-9C3E-ED29C80BDB17@ultra-secure.de> <3c25f2c6-8686-eb29-2877-cb601c6f46bc@jku.at> To: Ferdinand Goldmann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-Haraka-GeoIP: EU, CH, 451km X-Haraka-ASN: 24951 X-Haraka-GeoIP-Received: X-Haraka-ASN: 24951 217.71.80.0/20 X-Haraka-ASN-CYMRU: asn=24951 net=217.71.80.0/20 country=CH assignor=ripencc date=2003-08-07 X-Haraka-FCrDNS: 217-071-083-052.ip-tech.ch X-Haraka-p0f: os="Mac OS X " link_type="DSL" distance=16 total_conn=6 shared_ip=N X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on spamassassin X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, SPF_SOFTFAIL,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Haraka-Karma: score: 6, good: 17252, bad: 613, connections: 19560, history: 16639, asn_score: 1232, asn_connections: 1396, asn_good: 1270, asn_bad: 38, pass:asn, relaying X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FN2lg0bhgz3Fgh X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; 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I don't think that's the problem. When update3 was = still online > I'd always use that and updates were really fast back then. >=20 > Now that update3 is gone all update servers seem to be in the US or = Australia. >=20 > After waiting for nearly one hour: >=20 > = ..8530....8540....8550....8560....8570....8580....8590....8600....8610....= 8620....8630....8640....8650....8660....8670....8680....8690....8700.... = done. > Applying patches... done. > Fetching 9628 files... gunzip: (stdin): unexpected end of file > 0a4626107f3700cf5f87bd9c123bf427bd5a8561aadc2eca1d1605465c090935 has = incorrect hash. >=20 > This is getting kind of tiresome. :( >=20 > Regards > Ferdinand There seems to be a problem with update4. I now have this, too. I=E2=80=99m cc-ing clusteradm and dnsadmin, in hope that there=E2=80=99s = somebody there who can either fix it or take update4 out of the srv = record=E2=80=A6 :-( I would rather just mirror the update server but I think this is not = supposed to be done? From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sat Apr 17 19:53:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE395E109E for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:53:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from petefrench@ingresso.co.uk) Received: from constantine.ingresso.co.uk (constantine.ingresso.co.uk [IPv6:2001:470:6a18:411::3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FN3f54Nmvz3HbY for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from petefrench@ingresso.co.uk) Received: from [2001:470:6cc4:1:b8fa:e0b2:3edf:f1ec] (helo=balta.drayhouse.twisted.org.uk) by constantine.ingresso.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lXqzu-000NGS-27 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:52:54 +0000 To: FreeBSD Stable Mailing List From: Pete French Subject: geli - is it better to partition then encrypt, or vice versa ? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:52:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FN3f54Nmvz3HbY X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ingresso.co.uk; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of petefrench@ingresso.co.uk designates 2001:470:6a18:411::3 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=petefrench@ingresso.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:6a18:411::3:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:6a18:411::3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:6a18:411::3:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ingresso.co.uk,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:53:02 -0000 So, am building a zpool on some encrypted discs - and what I have done is to partition the disc with GPT add a single big partition, and encrypt that. So the pool is on nda1p1.eli. But I could, of course, encrypt the disc first, and then partition the encrypted disc, or indded just put the zpool directly onto it. Just wondering what the general consensus is as to the best way to go here ... if there is one! :-) What do other people do ? -pete. From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sat Apr 17 20:04:18 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C365E1C81 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:04:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clay@milos.co.za) Received: from lisa.milos.co.za (lisa.milos.co.za [109.169.49.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "www.milos.co.za", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FN3v449Z3z3Htk for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clay@milos.co.za) Received: (Haraka outbound); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:04:08 +0100 Received-SPF: Fail (lisa.milos.co.za: domain of milos.co.za does not designate 77.16.210.43 as permitted sender) receiver=lisa.milos.co.za; identity=mailfrom; client-ip=77.16.210.43; helo=[10.192.50.43]; envelope-from= Received: from [10.192.50.43] (77.16.210.43.tmi.telenormobil.no [77.16.210.43]) by lisa.milos.co.za (Haraka/2.8.16) with ESMTPSA id BBE29288-9545-4586-A617-391F51A9A108.1 envelope-from (authenticated bits=0) (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:04:04 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Clayton Milos Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: geli - is it better to partition then encrypt, or vice versa ? Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 22:03:49 +0200 Message-Id: <6AE407B1-6559-4D60-86BF-68C3774F90A4@milos.co.za> References: Cc: FreeBSD Stable Mailing List In-Reply-To: To: Pete French X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18D70) X-Haraka-Karma: score: 5, awards: 116,130,133,162,150,182, pass:relaying DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; bh=ngpcGdln8KRlJsunbE5cZ3y5avqEY2GvVo0O+18235w=; c=relaxed/simple; d=milos.co.za; h=from:subject:date:message-id:to:cc:mime-version; s=nov2017; b=t/TnNSjOqfxKZ2qU+k7HoyVMKi9j0fIY8RBWCOYkRyYLIpifH5HXjsqs+Vs66NZ2aS8NGsqE8wbVqAEOWyn2PhMymQ4tSwgJUd1f3oj7H3iV5psO/+ormvTEnMqAtGsZLxG7ZPzgeJWNk56Uhj8kL9OAXiNq7V5U3CWsJBLu9B06HucnmEbe8Q/40kT8OQJFxS5VJvZFj697u6ohUUzhqjwRpcW8QvnI4tuzyHLNSMYHQ8qFegSbcccj4keUU5+MpWCdBeHof+xh/+f2Wfc4gCK9Q5lhyxp4LY0Ddchpllib3pg3Vi8AxH8ALb63PUhNnsRk2Xt3h7DLVIKqgdRzoA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FN3v449Z3z3Htk X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=milos.co.za header.s=nov2017 header.b=t/TnNSjO; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of clay@milos.co.za designates 109.169.49.137 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=clay@milos.co.za X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[milos.co.za:~]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[109.169.49.137:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20860, ipnet:109.169.0.0/18, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[77.16.210.43:received]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[milos.co.za]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[109.169.49.137:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[milos.co.za:s=nov2017]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:04:18 -0000 I encrypt the whole disk and then add it to the pool. No need to partition i= t. If I remember correctly zfs prefers unpartitioned disks. \\Clay > On 17 Apr 2021, at 21:54, Pete French wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFSo, am building a zpool on some encrypted discs - and what I have= done is to partition the disc with GPT add a single big partition, and encr= ypt that. So the pool is on nda1p1.eli. >=20 > But I could, of course, encrypt the disc first, and then partition the enc= rypted disc, or indded just put the zpool directly onto it. >=20 > Just wondering what the general consensus is as to the best way to go here= ... if there is one! :-) What do other people do ? >=20 > -pete. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sat Apr 17 20:06:27 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B895B5E1E11 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:06:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-f180.google.com (mail-oi1-f180.google.com [209.85.167.180]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FN3xb0Kc5z3JD4 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:06:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-f180.google.com with SMTP id r186so3745473oif.8 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:06:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=sBxOhjnC/WLQto5BWxTKqA1tQwg/atwY9benheBW9Ik=; b=i5HPHwJKq4rAptw6l6vuKxEjzFQ8dJ19GzoCPUhUcUdNT6EuUxnPiXp7S/HPZCUxOc NQLxEnNg/fChdElYMThwnGZyYkIXxxMhgb5R1Fog1wXrQX4AQrDCSYj3/eS4YQ1v1ieH iCKCq38426yb5M+YkgDQtQfMuYirIy1yUD1Rh08Q+VCSycaSKHcW2iIOjnwXEe8GZokk PDuBtXAyJGYMrti2glbrQsprfAOL8jQ/K5TdXqkI0JmP7pwMEL1EB4JavgQjLdehTapm UCC1nC/jg/Ze93KqxT1RICDunnwtKpUucVTC67EwmvedR1x+DUIFYmjq4H2gDNQ1fJIp YdGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533A4dFmzAfXTwwHuyB1Cm3w1D1S5qShpw/VUEkT7CvblCA7n8T1 2OBtH+Q0ZulZAyhBRJNIAab7Q7Fqc7tktRdQId41WChJ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzbN5cYJOSsoCaffqbmVwjbCxChn4R+yAiquOrpcDD3GIWKmddUZO/l+KmPwcYkk6d6OmzxRYGoQwHkWEw3TS8= X-Received: by 2002:aca:130f:: with SMTP id e15mr11075040oii.73.1618689985950; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:06:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Alan Somers Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 14:06:15 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: geli - is it better to partition then encrypt, or vice versa ? To: Pete French Cc: FreeBSD Stable Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FN3xb0Kc5z3JD4 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of asomers@gmail.com designates 209.85.167.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=asomers@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[asomers@freebsd.org,asomers@gmail.com]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[asomers@freebsd.org,asomers@gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[209.85.167.180:from]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[asomers]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[209.85.167.180:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.167.180:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[209.85.167.180:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:06:27 -0000 On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 1:53 PM Pete French wrote: > So, am building a zpool on some encrypted discs - and what I have done > is to partition the disc with GPT add a single big partition, and > encrypt that. So the pool is on nda1p1.eli. > > But I could, of course, encrypt the disc first, and then partition the > encrypted disc, or indded just put the zpool directly onto it. > > Just wondering what the general consensus is as to the best way to go > here ... if there is one! :-) What do other people do ? > > -pete. > The answer depends on why you want to partition in the first place. What do you intend to store on those disks besides ZFS? If the answer is nothing, then don't bother partitioning; just write ZFS over GELI over the whole disk. (Also, it's worth asking why you want GELI, now that FreeBSD 13 supports ZFS native crypto. ZFS native crypto on RAIDZ has substantially better write performance than RAIDZ on GELI. However, if you're paranoid, then GELI does provide better security; ZFS native crypto is vulnerable to some kinds of watermarking attacks.) From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sat Apr 17 20:19:00 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5246A5E23C5 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:19:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from colo1.denninger.net (colo1.denninger.net [104.236.120.189]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FN4D348xFz3JlX for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:18:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from denninger.net (096-033-205-208.res.spectrum.com [96.33.205.208]) by colo1.denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312D22110CC for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.10.25] (D15.Denninger.Net [192.168.10.25]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 861BEAE254 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: geli - is it better to partition then encrypt, or vice versa ? To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: From: Karl Denninger Message-ID: <8c11dffb-3e82-a2d2-bc6a-9256bf3e8b4c@denninger.net> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:18:21 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-512; boundary="------------ms080601070700090705070706" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FN4D348xFz3JlX X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=denninger.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of karl@denninger.net designates 104.236.120.189 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=karl@denninger.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.90 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RBL_SENDERSCORE_FAIL(0.00)[104.236.120.189:server fail]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[denninger.net,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[104.236.120.189:from]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~,4:~]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:104.236.64.0/18, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[karl]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[104.236.120.189:from:127.0.2.255]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:19:00 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080601070700090705070706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/17/2021 15:52, Pete French wrote: > So, am building a zpool on some encrypted discs - and what I have done = > is to partition the disc with GPT add a single big partition, and=20 > encrypt that. So the pool is on nda1p1.eli. > > But I could, of course, encrypt the disc first, and then partition the = > encrypted disc, or indded just put the zpool directly onto it. > > Just wondering what the general consensus is as to the best way to go=20 > here ... if there is one! :-) What do other people do ? > IMHO one reason to partition first (and the reason I do it) is to=20 prevent "drive attachment point hopping" from causing an unwelcome=20 surprise if/when there is a failure or if, for some reason, you plug a=20 drive into a different machine at some point.=C2=A0 If you partition and = label, then geli init and attach at "/dev/gpt/the-label" you now can=20 label the drive carrier with that and irrespective of the slot or=20 adapter that gets connected to on whatever machine it will be in the=20 same place.=C2=A0 If it fails this also means (assuming you labeled the=20 carrier) you know which carrier to yank and replace. Yanking the wrong=20 drive can be an unpleasant surprise. This also makes "geli groups" trivial in /etc/rc.conf for attachment at=20 boot time irrespective of whether they physically come up in the same=20 place (again typically yes, but in the case of a failure or you plug it=20 into a different adapter.....) --=20 Karl Denninger karl@denninger.net /The Market Ticker/ /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ --------------ms080601070700090705070706 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC DdgwggagMIIEiKADAgECAhMA5EiKghDOXrvfxYxjITXYDdhIMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMIGL MQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4GA1UECAwHRmxvcmlkYTESMBAGA1UEBwwJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkw FwYDVQQKDBBDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDMRgwFgYDVQQLDA9DdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgQ0ExITAf BgNVBAMMGEN1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgMjAxNyBDQTAeFw0xNzA4MTcxNjQyMTdaFw0yNzA4 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To: Clayton Milos Cc: Pete French , FreeBSD Stable Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FN4hb1xDfz3Kwm X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=IoQ321Dz; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fjwcash@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::732 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fjwcash@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.99 / 15.00]; RBL_SENDERSCORE_FAIL(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::732:server fail]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::732:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.992]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::732:from:127.0.2.255]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::732:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:40:16 -0000 On Sat., Apr. 17, 2021, 1:04 p.m. Clayton Milos, wrote: > I encrypt the whole disk and then add it to the pool. No need to partition > it. If I remember correctly zfs prefers unpartitioned disks > ZFS on Solaris used to require the use of entire, raw disks as the cache was disabled if the disk was partitioned, tanking performance ZFS on FreeBSD has never had this issue, and has fully supported the use of partitioned disks from the very first import of ZFS into 7-Stable. No other OS that supports ZFS has this issue; it's strictly a Solaris (and derivatives) issue. Cheers, Freddie Typos due to smartphone keyboard. -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sat Apr 17 21:09:13 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9EB5E3AD4 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:09:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [IPv6:2001:67c:1220:808::93e5:80c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "kazi.fit.vutbr.cz", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FN5L10878z3M4V for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:09:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 13HL9BJB069620 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 23:09:11 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fit.vutbr.cz; s=mx1; t=1618693751; bh=lZi3w7ZFLD0+JZhJ9+UorjU78ItVfiLlMZ85dj84fZc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=BGAXuFnR0fa4dCTkIxkPaPsrRSt1kn62wn7ZDXRBYa4r6L1NkT7d2R9zHG9mkXgbF LQ88TmT6xsOaLcUy2KCezDwz/JOgS41ojWE69okacb9WKqOO0TJ+xmlBZB3zSgDEme DsOfPVKDrMYPjTJTwzJYYjQOF9/St/K8dXxTERLU= Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 13HL9BfM069619; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 23:09:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: cejkar set sender to cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz using -f Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 23:09:11 +0200 From: Cejka Rudolf To: Ferdinand Goldmann Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update and speed Message-ID: References: <672990ce-2fa4-d3b0-57f1-1d3221f13e95@jku.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <672990ce-2fa4-d3b0-57f1-1d3221f13e95@jku.at> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FN5L10878z3M4V X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=fit.vutbr.cz header.s=mx1 header.b=BGAXuFnR; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz has no SPF policy when checking 2001:67c:1220:808::93e5:80c) smtp.mailfrom=cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.69 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[fit.vutbr.cz:s=mx1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.995]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[vutbr.cz]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:67c:1220:808::93e5:80c:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[fit.vutbr.cz:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:67c:1220:808::93e5:80c:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:197451, ipnet:2001:67c:1220::/46, country:CZ]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:09:13 -0000 Ferdinand Goldmann wrote (2021/04/15): > Hello, > > I've noticed that ever since update3.freebsd.org is gone (which was in Czech > republic I think), FreeBSD updates are often quite slow for me (= Austria/Europe) > Especially so for major release upgrades. In fact so slow that I have time > to type this mail while waiting for '8778 patches....'. Hello, you are right, it was ;o) > The other day, freebsd-update even suffered a timeout. > > What are other European users experiences and is there anything to do about it? Did you try aws.update.freebsd.org also? -- Rudolf Cejka http://www.fit.vut.cz/~cejkar Brno University of Technology, Faculty of Information Technology Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic