From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 16 03:02:05 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA17063 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 03:02:05 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA17032 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 03:02:00 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23587; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 12:01:57 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA00621; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 12:01:56 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA16743; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 10:33:54 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199507160833.KAA16743@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: problem building lang/icon on 2.0.5R To: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 10:33:54 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199507151040.GAA07472@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Jul 15, 95 06:40:10 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 366 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Peter Dufault wrote: > > > > Moin, > And how should we pronounce it in case we wind up in Aachen? As it's written. Sorry, there are no pronounciation characters available in Latin-1. :^) m - oi (like in `boy') - n -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 16 03:02:11 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA17105 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 03:02:11 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA17084 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 03:02:07 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23602; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 12:02:04 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA00630; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 12:02:03 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA17058; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 11:00:13 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199507160900.LAA17058@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: WYSIWYG kit for src/usr.bin/vi, ports/net/chimera, print/ghostview To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Howard Stacey) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 11:00:13 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199507142204.AAA15817@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Howard Stacey" at Jul 15, 95 00:04:27 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 361 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Julian Howard Stacey wrote: > > ( WYSIWYG = What You See Is What You Get ) Declination: WYSIWYMG = What You See Is What You Might Get WYSIWYNG = What You See Is What You Never Get :-) Sorry, couldn't resist... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 16 12:58:10 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA06511 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 12:58:10 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA06505 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 12:58:08 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <55368>; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 21:58:01 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA28858; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 13:51:33 +0200 Message-Id: <199507161151.NAA28858@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Peter Dufault cc: chat@freebsd.org, thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: problem building lang/icon on 2.0.5R In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 15 Jul 1995 12:40:10 +0200." <199507151040.GAA07472@hda.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 13:51:30 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey " Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > And how should we pronounce it in case we wind up in Aachen? Well, I'm English, but live in Bavaria, on TV it sounded like `Moyn' to me, I'm going to the FreeBSD-Europe user group meeting in Aachen 95 09 02&03, I guess I'll hear Thomas Gellekum then, but Aachen's only half way up Germany, well out of the dialect area that says `Moin' (so says my Aachen born & bred girlfriend :-) I find it hard enough coping with the local Bavarian dialect (which Bavarians think is German, but which most other Germans assert to not be `Hoch Deutsch', I only really understand Hoch Deutsch (Reference German), despite living in Munich (capital of Bavaria) for 10 years. As for the Vienna/Austria dialect I heard at a party last night, I could hardly understand a word (& it was early, no one was drunk :-) Oh well, back to hacking ;-) Julian From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 16 13:23:46 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA06935 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 13:23:46 -0700 Received: from t42.ppp.de (alf@t42.ppp.de [193.141.101.142]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA06927 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 13:23:38 -0700 Received: (from alf@localhost) by t42.ppp.de (8.6.9/1.0-t42) id WAA04153 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 22:21:51 +0200 From: Alf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199507162021.WAA04153@t42.ppp.de> Subject: I am searching for a job, maybe someone FreeBSD-chat can help me :) To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 22:21:50 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2778 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ulf Zimmermann Schwenckestr. 85 Hamburg, D-20255 +49-40-497273 Fax +49-40-4917689 alf@t42.ppp.de German citizen ============================================================================ I am searching for a job in USA, Canada or South-East-Asia. The following position would be very interesting for me: Co-Develope hardware and testing, translating handbooks Softwaredeveloper in the area of networking (TCPIP, IPX or other) Admin for big networks Technican for Internet and any position in this directions ============================================================================ OBJECTIVE Consulting, Admin, Testing and Programmer for PC-Hardware, Dos, Windows, Novell Client and NLM, Unix, OS/2 PERSONAL Birthday : 8/28/69 Degree: German Realschule Novell CNE (2 more test for ECNE) ============================================================================ SKILLS PROGRAM LANGUAGE C, some SQL, Assembly 68000 and some 80x86 DATABASE Btrieve, some Novell SQL, DB/2, some MS-Access OS DOS, Windows 3.1, many UNIX, Novell, OS/2 sysop UNIX, Novell netware 3.11 DEVELOPMENT TOOLS MS VC++ 1.51, Watcom C 10.0b, gcc, Novell SDKs OTHERS some HTML AutoCAD 11.0 NETWORKING IPX networks, TCPIP networks, ISDN (german 1TR6, DSS1) ============================================================================ EDUCATION 11/84-6/87 German Realschule degree Holstentor Realschule zu Luebeck 7/79-10/84 Visit of the Gymnasium Katherineum zu Luebeck ============================================================================ EXPERIENCE over 8 Years work experiences in computer areas 7/93-Present Free consulter and programmer Doing jobs for clients. Planning networks, software requirement, software development, hardware evaluation. Member of the Novell PDP 7/91-6/93 Partner of CONNECT! Computer GmbH, a Novell authorizated Reseller and member of the Novell PDP. Planning, installing and adminstrating big heterogen networks 8/87-6/91 Working for some companies in the computer business as salesmanager, technical supporter, testing PC hardware and translating handbooks. ============================================================================ Bye, Ulf and sorry if someone don't like my posting From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 16 13:34:34 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA07170 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 13:34:34 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA07164 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 13:34:29 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.3) id QAA01794; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 16:31:01 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199507162031.QAA01794@hda.com> Subject: Re: problem building lang/icon on 2.0.5R To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Stacey) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 16:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org, thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de In-Reply-To: <199507161151.NAA28858@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Stacey" at Jul 16, 95 01:51:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 586 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Julian Stacey writes: > > I'm going to the FreeBSD-Europe user group meeting in Aachen 95 09 02&03, > I guess I'll hear Thomas Gellekum then, > > but Aachen's only half way up Germany, well out of the dialect area > that says `Moin' (so says my Aachen born & bred girlfriend :-) I was going to say Hamburg, but Thomas's sig had an aachen in it. I guess he is from out of town. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 17 00:21:25 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA07906 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 00:21:25 -0700 Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA07896 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 00:21:23 -0700 Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA28651; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 09:20:55 +0200 From: Thomas Gellekum Message-Id: <199507170720.JAA28651@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: problem building lang/icon on 2.0.5R To: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 09:20:55 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, chat@freebsd.org, thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de In-Reply-To: <199507162031.QAA01794@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Jul 16, 95 04:30:59 pm Organization: Institut f. Hochfrequenztechnik, RWTH Aachen X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 922 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Peter Dufault wrote: > > Julian Stacey writes: > > > > I'm going to the FreeBSD-Europe user group meeting in Aachen 95 09 02&03, > > I guess I'll hear Thomas Gellekum then, > > > > but Aachen's only half way up Germany, well out of the dialect area > > that says `Moin' (so says my Aachen born & bred girlfriend :-) > > I was going to say Hamburg, but Thomas's sig had an aachen in it. I guess > he is from out of town. I'm from Mönchengladbach, which is about 60 km NE from Aachen. But I have learned a long time ago that `moin' (or `moin moin'), as used in Northern Germany, is a greeting independent from the time of day (making it especially appropriate for an international forum such as this) and I have made a habit of using it since then. In the Lower Rhine area, you will hear `morjen' (mo:(r)jen), but that's just a dialect form of `guten morgen' (`good morning'). tg From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 17 00:39:43 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA09726 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 00:39:43 -0700 Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA09710 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 00:39:40 -0700 Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA28702; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 09:39:15 +0200 From: Thomas Gellekum Message-Id: <199507170739.JAA28702@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: problem building lang/icon on 2.0.5R To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Stacey) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 09:39:15 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: dufault@hda.com, chat@freebsd.org, thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de In-Reply-To: <199507161151.NAA28858@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Stacey" at Jul 16, 95 01:51:30 pm Organization: Institut f. Hochfrequenztechnik, RWTH Aachen X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 407 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Julian Stacey wrote: > > > I find it hard enough coping with the local Bavarian dialect (which Bavarians > think is German, but which most other Germans assert to not be `Hoch Deutsch', It _is_ _not_ hochdeutsch. And I refuse to describe my feelings about the Saxon dialect... tg (Who has even trouble understanding the dialect spoken in the Lower Rhine area. But at least it _sounds_ familiar.) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 17 00:59:23 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA10953 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 00:59:23 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA10943 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 00:59:22 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id AAA12570 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 00:59:02 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27177; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 09:53:44 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA07994 for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 09:53:43 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA05119 for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 09:25:52 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199507170725.JAA05119@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: problem building lang/icon on 2.0.5R To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 09:25:52 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199507161151.NAA28858@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Stacey" at Jul 16, 95 01:51:30 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 523 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Julian Stacey wrote: > > I find it hard enough coping with the local Bavarian dialect (which Bavarians > think is German, but which most other Germans assert to not be `Hoch Deutsch', > I only really understand Hoch Deutsch (Reference German), despite living > in Munich (capital of Bavaria) for 10 years. Don't bother. I understand English _way_ better than Bavarian. :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 18 05:42:07 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA24744 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 05:42:07 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA24711 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 05:40:08 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02790; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:46:55 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA20583; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:46:54 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA09037; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 09:12:02 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199507180712.JAA09037@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: problem building lang/icon on 2.0.5R To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 09:12:01 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199507170739.JAA28702@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> from "Thomas Gellekum" at Jul 17, 95 09:39:15 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 540 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Thomas Gellekum wrote: > [Bavarian] > It _is_ _not_ hochdeutsch. > > And I refuse to describe my feelings about the Saxon dialect... So why? Don't you know that hochdeutsch has been taken to more than 2/3 from Saxon? :-) Ok, it's been a few hundred years ago... and agreed, i can't stand those people speaking that extremely slangy Saxon, even though i'm born and have grown in Dresden. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 18 17:12:02 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA23724 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 17:12:02 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA23718 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 17:11:58 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.10/8.3) id UAA15243; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:04:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:04:47 -0400 From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199507190004.UAA15243@kryten.atinc.com> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: test Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk just a test, had this been an actual message, you would have been... From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 18 23:36:02 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id XAA08634 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 23:36:02 -0700 Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA08628 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 23:35:53 -0700 Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA12569; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 08:35:43 +0200 From: Thomas Gellekum Message-Id: <199507190635.IAA12569@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: problem building lang/icon on 2.0.5R To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 08:35:42 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de In-Reply-To: <199507180712.JAA09037@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jul 18, 95 09:12:01 am Organization: Institut f. Hochfrequenztechnik, RWTH Aachen X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 782 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > > As Thomas Gellekum wrote: > > > > And I refuse to describe my feelings about the Saxon dialect... > > So why? Don't you know that hochdeutsch has been taken to more than > 2/3 from Saxon? :-) Can we please leave religion and Luther out of a religious dialect war? Anyway, I wasn't thinking of the vocabulary and grammar, but sound and the pronounciation, which is probably what you're referring to below. > Ok, it's been a few hundred years ago... and agreed, i can't stand > those people speaking that extremely slangy Saxon, even though i'm > born and have grown in Dresden. Is simply saying `fine' at this point considered good etiquette? tg -- "Güdendach Herr Wirt, gänsefleisch zwee Gölsch machn?" -- _Saddamalaaf_, The Piano has been Drinking From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 19 01:40:05 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA13180 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 01:40:05 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA13166 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 01:40:01 -0700 Received: from tartufo.pcs.dec.com by inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA03317; Wed, 19 Jul 95 01:37:14 -0700 Received: by tartufo.pcs.dec.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.39) id ; Wed, 19 Jul 95 10:35 MSZ Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 10:35 MSZ From: me@tartufo.pcs.dec.com (Michael Elbel) To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/games/xkobo - Imported sources Newsgroups: pcs.freebsd.cvs.ports,pcs.freebsd.cvs.all References: <199507190031.RAA24555@freefall.cdrom.com> Reply-To: me@freebsd.org Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In pcs.freebsd.cvs.all you write: > Branch: games/xkobo 1.1.1 > Log: > The addictive game of xkobo. My high score is around 7000, so beat it.. :-) > Bah. --- name cleared stages high score khe 00000000022 000019608 me 00000000022 000014759 --- Tell us once you master level 23 ;-) Btw. The server on my Magnum grew to 60 MB once I started it with -doublesize. Pretty amazing game I'd say. Stays fast and fluid even when run over the net in double size mode. Thanks for beating me to making a port, I'd have done it today, another saved hour :-) Michael -- Michael Elbel, PCS GmbH, Muenchen, Germany - me@FreeBSD.org Fermentation fault (coors dumped) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 19 10:53:41 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA03138 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:53:41 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA03131 ; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:53:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01684; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:52:58 -0700 To: me@freebsd.org cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/games/xkobo - Imported sources In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:35:00 +0600." Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:52:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1682.806176377@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Bah. > > --- > name cleared stages high score > > khe 00000000022 000019608 > me 00000000022 000014759 > --- > > Tell us once you master level 23 ;-) Geeze! Now I'm feeling distinctly emasculated.. This is playing in non-doubled mode, right? Doubled, the games is slower and a lot easier to get a high score on, so let's make sure we're talking apples and apples here! :-) > Btw. The server on my Magnum grew to 60 MB once I started it with > -doublesize. Pretty amazing game I'd say. Stays fast and fluid Yeah, I got Xaccel up to 90MB with doublesize - my P590 swapped into the 128MB of swap I have pretty heavily! :( JOrdan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 20 02:25:38 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA00169 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 02:25:38 -0700 Received: from mr-p.protocorp.com (d1.leonardo.net [198.147.97.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA00159 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 02:25:35 -0700 Received: from caern.leonardo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mr-p.protocorp.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA00518 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 02:24:48 GMT Message-Id: <199507200224.CAA00518@mr-p.protocorp.com> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Maybe this will fix some Future Domain problems Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 02:24:45 +0000 From: "Mike O'Brien" Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk There's a notice on http://www.adaptec.com, which is Adaptec's home page, dated July 13, that they just bought out Future Domain. Mike O'Brien From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 21 09:50:50 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA10365 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:50:50 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA10359 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:50:48 -0700 Received: from tartufo.pcs.dec.com by inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA01073; Fri, 21 Jul 95 09:49:56 -0700 Received: by tartufo.pcs.dec.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.39) id ; Fri, 21 Jul 95 18:48 MSZ Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 95 18:48 MSZ From: me@tartufo.pcs.dec.com (Michael Elbel) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/games/xkobo - Imported sources Newsgroups: pcs.freebsd.chat References: <1682.806176377@time.cdrom.com> Reply-To: me@freebsd.org Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In pcs.freebsd.chat you write: >> Tell us once you master level 23 ;-) >Geeze! Now I'm feeling distinctly emasculated.. This is playing in >non-doubled mode, right? Doubled, the games is slower and a lot >easier to get a high score on, so let's make sure we're talking apples >and apples here! :-) Me playing double-size because otherwise I wouldn't see anything on the 1280x1024 screen. Karlheinz plays in normal mode on a Pentium. I *don't* think it's that much easier doubled, since the whole game reacts slower. Nevertheless, one amazing game. I wouldn't have thought that such fluid graphics are possible under X over a IP connection. Michael -- Michael Elbel, PCS GmbH, Muenchen, Germany - me@FreeBSD.org Fermentation fault (coors dumped) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 21 09:58:49 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA10670 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:58:49 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA10664 ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:58:47 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03184; Fri, 21 Jul 95 10:58:45 -0600 Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA20891; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:02:14 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:02:14 -0600 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9507211702.AA20891@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: me@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1682.806176377@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/games/xkobo - Imported sources Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Jordan" == Jordan K Hubbard writes: >> Tell us once you master level 23 ;-) Jordan> Geeze! Now I'm feeling distinctly emasculated. Okay, I got curious. And I have to admit, level 23 is a pain in the butt---several orders of magnitude harder than levels 1--22. I'll keep you posted :-) -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA If God dwells inside us, like some people say, I sure hope He like enchiladas, because that's what He's getting! -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 21 11:11:40 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA15312 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:11:40 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA15306 ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:11:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA28106; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:10:59 -0700 To: me@freebsd.org cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/games/xkobo - Imported sources In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Jul 1995 18:48:00 +0600." Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:10:59 -0700 Message-ID: <28104.806350259@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Me playing double-size because otherwise I wouldn't see anything on > the 1280x1024 screen. Karlheinz plays in normal mode on a Pentium. > I *don't* think it's that much easier doubled, since the whole game > reacts slower. I still cry foul since I'm ALSO using a 1280x1024 screen and using it in non-doubled mode. With my P5-90 the game is significantly easier to play with the slowed down double size and when I tried actually playing in that mode, I rocketed all the way up to level 21 without even trying (and then quit, because the game wasn't much fun at that speed). The whole game does and doesn't react slower - the ship can still be pivoted at the same rate, which often saves your butt when there are lots of things coming at you. My most frequent cause of death is also a red ship coming on a diagonal VERY fast and wiping me out before I can react. Under the doubled mode, the game is slow enough that this doesn't happen. So I repeat my challenge: Level 23 with 1280x1024 and standard mode (no command line flags)? We shall see! :-) Jordan P.S. Kim says hello! :) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 21 12:22:23 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA19624 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 12:22:23 -0700 Received: from frodi.cs.uop.edu (frodi.cs.uop.edu [138.9.200.53]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA19618 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 12:22:21 -0700 Received: from uop.cs.uop.edu by frodi.cs.uop.edu with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02520; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 12:22:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 12:22:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tiggie To: "Mike O'Brien" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Maybe this will fix some Future Domain problems In-Reply-To: <199507200224.CAA00518@mr-p.protocorp.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, Mike O'Brien wrote: > There's a notice on http://www.adaptec.com, which is Adaptec's > home page, dated July 13, that they just bought out Future Domain. > > Mike O'Brien > So who actual did make the better scsi controllers, Adaptec or Future Domain, for use with FreeBSD? Just curious. :) Kevin ============================================================================== Kevin Leung University of the Pacific EE Undergraduate Student e-mail: kleung@uop.cs.uop.edu WWW: http://www.moscow.com/homepages/kleung@uop.edu.html ============================================================================== From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 21 14:28:38 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA25044 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 14:28:38 -0700 Received: from aero.org (aero.org [130.221.16.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA25032 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 14:28:33 -0700 Received: from antares.aero.org ([130.221.192.46]) by aero.org with SMTP id <111125-2>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 14:27:54 -0700 Received: from anpiel.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA14630 for kleung@frodi.cs.uop.edu; Fri, 21 Jul 95 14:27:30 PDT To: Tiggie Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Maybe this will fix some Future Domain problems In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 21 Jul 1995 12:22:10 PDT." Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 14:27:18 -0700 From: "Mike O'Brien" Message-Id: <95Jul21.142754pdt.111125-2@aero.org> Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > So who actual did make the better scsi controllers, Adaptec or Future > Domain, for use with FreeBSD? Just curious. :) Better controllers? Who knows? Better _supported_? Adaptec. In general the FreeBSD core group likes BusLogic a lot (except lately, where they've gotten some grief). I run Adaptec and it just ticks right along. From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 22 12:31:15 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA01447 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 12:31:15 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA01431 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 12:31:06 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA01192; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 21:31:03 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA05407; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 21:47:59 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA25715; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 21:12:54 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199507221912.VAA25715@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Maybe this will fix some Future Domain problems To: kleung@frodi.cs.uop.edu (Tiggie) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 21:12:54 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: obrien@leonardo.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Tiggie" at Jul 21, 95 12:22:10 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 693 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Tiggie wrote: > > > There's a notice on http://www.adaptec.com, which is Adaptec's > > home page, dated July 13, that they just bought out Future Domain. > > > > Mike O'Brien > > > > So who actual did make the better scsi controllers, Adaptec or Future > Domain, for use with FreeBSD? Just curious. :) I think Adaptec. I don't know of any ``high end'' FD controller that's supported. You might consider NCR if you're thinking about a PCI bus system, however. They are cheap and get almost the same throughput as the pricey Adaptecs. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)