From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 21 02:56:55 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA08342 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 02:56:55 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA08335 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 02:56:50 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA13354; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:56:43 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA19872 for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:51:15 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA04176 for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:33:06 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199508210633.IAA04176@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: echo test To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:33:06 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 224 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Not sure if i've also been dropped off this list, or if it's only silent here... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 21 18:26:57 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA23746 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 18:26:57 -0700 Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA23740 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 18:26:55 -0700 Received: from vivid.autometric.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzduz24481; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 21:26:54 -0400 Received: from jester by vivid.autometric.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/920502.SGI) id VAA29804; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 21:26:52 -0400 Received: by jester (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id VAA03877; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 21:26:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 21:26:49 -0400 From: bsletten@jester.autometric.com (Brian Sletten) Message-Id: <199508220126.VAA03877@jester> To: jshelby@vivid.autometric.com, ggreene@vivid.autometric.com, josh@datatel.com, freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: [Netscape: French Hacker Cracks Netscape Code] Reply-to: bsletten@vivid.autometric.com Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: Vince Curley To: bsletten@vivid Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 14:55:26 +0200 Subject: FW: FW: Netscape: French Hacker Cracks Netscape Code X-Msxmtid: red-35-msg950821215719MTP[01.00.00]000000a8-51752 I'm a little hesitant to pass this info on, but I figure the bad guys have already gotten it!!! ---------- From: Jean-Claude Colmagro To: SOC French Language & Culture at Corp; Marc Jalabert Subject: RE: FW: Netscape: French Hacker Cracks Netscape Code Date: Friday, August 18, 1995 2:51PM original subject: SSL challenge -- broken ! si ca vous interesse, voici le message original de Damien Doligez sur cypherpunks JC ---------- From: Vinod Valloppillil To: Jean-Claude Colmagro Subject: FW: SSL challenge -- broken ! Date: Friday, August 18, 1995 2:38PM here's the original message he sent out when he broke the message.... ---------- From: Damien Doligez To: Subject: SSL challenge -- broken ! Date: Wednesday, August 16, 1995 10:42AM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- SSL challenge -- broken This is to announce the solution of the SSL challenge posted by Hal Finney on July 17, 1995 (message-ID: <3u6kmg$pm4@jobe.shell.portal.com>), also found at: The 40-bit secret part of the key is 7e f0 96 1f a6. I found it by a brute force search on a network of about 120 workstations and a few parallel computers at INRIA, Ecole Polytechnique, and ENS. The key was found after scanning a little more than half the key space in 8 days. The cleartext of the encrypted data is as follows: The SERVER-VERIFY message is: 9C B1 C7 83 D9 BB B7 75 01 6F 19 19 03 58 EC 05 MAC-DATA 05 MSG-SERVER-VERIFY AF 84 A7 79 F8 13 69 20 25 9B 53 A0 60 AE 75 51 CHALLENGE The CHALLENGE part is a copy of the challenge sent by the client in its first message. The answer is the CLIENT-FINISHED message: 22 BB 23 39 55 B0 7F B6 1A B0 35 85 F7 DB C1 E5 MAC-DATA 03 MSG-CLIENT-FINISHED BF EB 90 F8 2C 0C E1 EA 18 AC 11 4C 83 14 21 B6 CONNECTION-ID The next message is SERVER-FINISHED: D4 CD F3 4E 38 F1 2B 1E DC FD 72 C8 34 02 CD FF MAC-DATA 06 SERVER-FINISHED-BYTE 23 1C 05 40 60 72 49 6E 83 BA D1 28 CC 9B 5F 63 SESSION-ID-DATA Then comes the data message sent by the client. This is the juicy one. I have broken the contents into its fields (the body was just one long line) 72 23 B5 98 0D D0 07 1A DA F1 C7 A4 40 41 5A 10 MAC-DATA POST /order2.cgi HTTP/1.0 Referer: https://order.netscape.com/order2.cgi User-Agent: Mozilla/1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) Accept: */* Accept: image/gif Accept: image/x-xbitmap Accept: image/jpeg Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded Content-length: 472 source-form=order2-cust.html& order_number=31770& prod_80-01020-00_Mac=1& carrier_code=UM& ship_first=Cosmic& ship_last=Kumquat& ship_org=SSL+Trusters+Inc.& ship_addr1=1234+Squeamish+Ossifrage+Road& ship_addr2=& ship_city=Anywhere& ship_state=NY& ship_zip=12345& ship_country=USA& ship_phone=& ship_fax=& ship_email=& bill_first=& bill_last=& bill_org=& bill_addr1=& bill_addr2=& bill_city=& bill_state=& bill_zip=& bill_country=USA& bill_phone=& bill_fax=& bill_email=& submit=+Submit+Customer+Data+ This order came from Mr Cosmic Kumquat, SSL Trusters Inc., 1234 Squeamish Ossifrage Road, Anywhere, NY 12345 (USA). Unfortunately, Mr Kumquat forgot to give his phone number, and the server's reply (in two packets) is: 09 12 AD FE A5 A9 BF D1 8C 8C E2 6A A3 48 B9 75 MAC-DATA HTTP/1.0 200 OK Server: Netscape-Commerce/1.1 Date: Wednesday, 12-Jul-95 05:40:30 GMT Content-type: text/html 1C CD C4 3D 80 F1 7B 94 11 AC E8 72 B1 99 BC FA MAC-DATA Error

Error

The shipping address you supplied is not complete. The street address, city, state, zip code, country and phone number are mandatory fields. Please go back and specify the full shipping address. Thank you. This result was found with a quick-and-dirty distributed search program, which I wrote when I realized that the cypherpunks were going to be a few weeks late with their collective effort. When the program was running, it took little more than one week to find the key (it would have taken about 15 days to sweep the entire key space). I ran it on almost all the machines I have access to, summarized in the following table: type speed (keys/s) number notes - -------------------------------------------------------- DEC (alpha) 18000-33000 34 DEC (MIPS) 2500-7500 11 SPARC 2000-13000 57 HP (HPPA/snake) 15000 3 Sony (R3000) 1100-4000 3 Sun 3 600 2 Sequent B8000 100 x 10 1 (1) Multimax (NS532) 600 x 14 1 (1) KSR 3200 x 64 1 (1) (2) Notes: 1. These are multiprocessor machines 2. The KSR spent only about 2 days on this computation. The total average searching speed was about 850000 keys/s, with a maximum of 1350000 keys/s (1150000 without the KSR). Conclusions: * Many people have access to the amount of computing power that I used. The exportable SSL protocol is supposed to be weak enough to be easily broken by governments, yet strong enough to resist the attempts of amateurs. It fails on the second count. Don't trust your credit card number to this protocol. * Cypherpunks write code, all right, but they shouldn't forget to run it. I want to thank the people at INRIA, Ecole Polytechnique, and Ecole Normale Superieure for giving their CPU time. (Most of them are on vacation anyway...) You can find a copy of this text at -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCSAwUBMDG4dVNZwSQVabihAQGeFAPnUZil4WlauoMke9HaULDNOVf1hLXS0i9U VJWZsPHcihDbn6nBN9T6f3sW/S08N5YJFSCmuZzqO59c0nOAKILb6a3TsXjFEcu8 W8UfwFsZa6gx7iuYqandhoHBEkkc5NSwMe1f+lPiV2MdclzQ4/VtZ7Oa1VB+RftD Am4+w/Y= =Fju1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- **** This is a timestamp of the above message: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUAMDGsOeWrvYiumrHZAQF0QwIAnDWdVVTiVmUTY5lp08yPeLRoFetczb+U E0WVgTUJ4a16tinOPaJl/6jOpPUUPWMjkDaD2N1xw8lGqm0UgZJiGIkAkgMFATAx uKJTWcEkFWm4oQEBAQ8D5ixvYrpEAQYfeNXmbB46BTTnBwBPS/JjfVFEEnC0Zsoj cyh/WELUsZf785b23vEq9JFvZB+bq1UsJTpttl335TrW344ZYof3kl6fdEF2Jf5q LxQjkuP9s/OQX5iJZpHz4LUxbb+/hOwSdZ2O3LV7ETiHs9AK1+bnKfOGDyei =qO7V -----END PGP MESSAGE----- -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Brian J. Sletten 2905 Wickersham Way, #202 (703) 658-4178 (O) bsletten@autometric.com Falls Church, VA 22042 (703) 207-9377 (H) A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. -- Albert Einstein -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 21 18:50:59 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA24353 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 18:50:59 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA24345 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 18:50:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA17750; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 18:50:35 -0700 To: bsletten@vivid.autometric.com cc: jshelby@vivid.autometric.com, ggreene@vivid.autometric.com, josh@datatel.com, freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [Netscape: French Hacker Cracks Netscape Code] In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Aug 1995 21:26:49 EDT." <199508220126.VAA03877@jester> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 18:50:35 -0700 Message-ID: <17747.809056235@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: Vince Curley > To: bsletten@vivid > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 14:55:26 +0200 > Subject: FW: FW: Netscape: French Hacker Cracks Netscape Code > X-Msxmtid: red-35-msg950821215719MTP[01.00.00]000000a8-51752 > > I'm a little hesitant to pass this info on, but I figure the bad guys > have already gotten it!!! It's not at all worrisome - we all KNEW that 48 bit RSA was crackable if you threw enough hardware at the problem, and that's all that that our French friend proved. I'm not all that worried that somebody will throw 4 supercomputers at an arbitary netscape transaction of mine (and this would need to be done for EVERY transaction, not just one) when they can just root through the garbage at the local mall or slip a minimum-wage clerk $50 for my credit card number a lot more cheaply and effectively! :-) All they really proved was that it's time for the U.S. state department to relax the restrictions on 64 and 128 bit encryption. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 22 12:37:08 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA12997 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:37:08 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA12977 ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:36:59 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id PAA12941; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:28:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:28:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: SCO and high prices To: dennis cc: paul@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199508221839.OAA24912@mail.htp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk i have added chat to the cc: list. lets take all follow ups there rather than continue in hackers. what i tried and failed is to use these quotes from the article to highlight the thinking of some managers....a manager here pointed this article out to me. (guess he missed the part about celestial software selling servers for $15-$30 K to large corporations....servers made from free software....add some nicely printed docs, training, telephone support, and suits....viola.) On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, dennis wrote: > >In reply to Jonathan M. Bresler who said > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >> ....Last year, when the Santa Cruz Operation raised the price of SCO > >> Unix, the move caused barely a stir among the company's users. The > >> reason: Because SCO's products were significantly cheaper than Novell's > >> and Hewlett-Packard's, some technology managers had a hard time > >> convincing management that the SCO products were on a par with those of > >> other vendors. But at a higher price, SCO's product gained respect. > >> > >> [snip] > >> [end] > >> > >> > >> perhaps this is the attitude that dennis and others have been > >> referring to--if i dont pay a lot, i dont get squat. (can we sell these > >> people "Fresh Air" ?? ). without a high dollar price tag and an > >> acceptable name, the just cant deal with it. > >> > > > First of all, this is NOT the attitude of Dennis. Dennis has to earn a > living. Dennis is just doing his job. Often you get what you pay for, but it > USUALLY true that you get more when you pay something. pardon me. your attitude??? who's talking about your attitude?? we have recently discussed payware vs freeware in hackers (wrong mailing list) and then i see this article in information week. so i copied some paragraphs verbatim into my mail message. dennis, a LOT of us have jobs that are NOT hacking FreeBSD....just ask around. some of us even have 2 jobs that are not hacking FreeBSD. > I think that your analysis of the above, as well as the author's, is clearly > wrong. SCOs customers didn't wince when they raised their prices because > most of their BIG customer are under contract and the rest of them are so > rich it doesn't matter. SCO doesn't participate in the low end market, so you could be right. i wouldn't know. > you can't compare them to FreeBSD or anything similar. Most large corps > don't like freeware because they can't get anything in writing regarding > continuity or ownership. When I was at NYNEX the auditors would come in and > ask us for receipts. Anything we didn't have receipts for, they'd say to > delete it. > > "But I'm a Programmer", I'd tell them, "I wrote this stuff". The auditors, > or course, would have none of it. you just made my day. this is exactly the type of behavior that i find remarkable. boss pays me to write code. auditor makes me delete it. Sisyphean? > >BSDI used exactly the same argument when they bumped their prices > >recently. > > > > BSDI's problem is that they're trying to set up distribution, and > distributors want deep discounts so they can make a profit. And as they say, > 50% of nothing is nothing. Frankly I think they're making a mistake because > they don't have a general purpose product. > > BSD/386 is not a general purpose product. ?? please, lets continue in chat, if we continue at all. Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 22 13:45:43 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA16405 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:45:43 -0700 Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (sri.MT.net [204.94.231.129]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA16373 ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:45:33 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA29029; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 14:47:18 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 14:47:18 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199508222047.OAA29029@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: dennis , paul@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCO and high prices In-Reply-To: References: <199508221839.OAA24912@mail.htp.com> Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > wrong. SCOs customers didn't wince when they raised their prices because > > most of their BIG customer are under contract and the rest of them are so > > rich it doesn't matter. SCO doesn't participate in the low end market, so > > you could be right. i wouldn't know. I disagree with Dennis. Most of SCO's business is in POS systems and similar other products. All of the Nissan dealerships have a SCO system (whether they realize it or not), and many GM dealership body shops also have SCO systems. These are typically the type of systems SCO sells to, and also the biggest reason *why* it doesn't matter that they are running 10 year old technology software. (SvsV3.2) Because these systems are sold in complete systems AND the integrators are the ones paying the price, the price increase of the OS isn't seen by the end user. The integrator just adds more money to the system and sells it. The integrator doesn't much care, since they are already making a killing on the application software AND hardware they sell to the end user, and SCO is already giving them a big price break as it is. The only people it's hurting is the end user, and SCO doesn't care much abou them anymore. They simply can't compete in that market due partly to the influx of the free unix clones. The type of client SCO is looking for is *not* the same kind of client FreeBSD is looking for. SCO can impress their client base with big $$, because those kind of people implicate high $$ with great software, and unfortunately don't take the time to find out the facts. FreeBSD can't break into that market because of that very reason. Note the type of responses in the article Jonathan quoted. Those who are anti-freeware will continue to be so unless they have to be big $$ for software which may/may not be any better/supported than freeware. When you are overworked, it's alot easier to assume $$ == support than to do your homework and find out the facts. Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 23 04:12:33 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA28494 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:12:33 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA28487 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:12:30 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id EAA04857 for chat@freefall; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:12:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:12:27 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199508231112.EAA04857@time.cdrom.com> To: chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Jordan now has *Seventeen* cats! Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sophia, another teenage pregnancy (this cat weighs all of 5 pounds!), gave birth tonite to 4 cute (of course) little kittens, bringing the total in the Hubbard household to 17. I think this is a new record. I have to go lie down now. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 23 05:33:25 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA01076 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 05:33:25 -0700 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA01070 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 05:33:15 -0700 Received: from grumble.grondar.za (grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA01197; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:32:58 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03320; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:32:57 +0200 Message-Id: <199508231232.OAA03320@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Jordan now has *Seventeen* cats! Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:32:56 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Sophia, another teenage pregnancy (this cat weighs all of 5 pounds!), > gave birth tonite to 4 cute (of course) little kittens, bringing the > total in the Hubbard household to 17. > > I think this is a new record. I have to go lie down now. Oh, WOW! Puhleeeeze put up some photos on your web page... M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grumble.grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 23 06:20:04 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA02493 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:20:04 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA02485 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:20:02 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA07212; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:19:15 -0700 To: Mark Murray cc: chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Jordan now has *Seventeen* cats! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:32:56 +0200." <199508231232.OAA03320@grumble.grondar.za> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:19:15 -0700 Message-ID: <7210.809183955@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk No doubt about it, gotta get a camera someday! :-) > > Sophia, another teenage pregnancy (this cat weighs all of 5 pounds!), > > gave birth tonite to 4 cute (of course) little kittens, bringing the > > total in the Hubbard household to 17. > > > > I think this is a new record. I have to go lie down now. > > Oh, WOW! Puhleeeeze put up some photos on your web page... > > > M > -- > Mark Murray > 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa > +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 > Finger mark@grumble.grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 23 07:08:47 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA04208 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:08:47 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA04196 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:08:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA10479 ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:23:15 +0100 X-Message: This is a dial-up site. Quick responses to e-mails should not be relied upon. Thanks! To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jordan now has *Seventeen* cats! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:12:27 PDT." <199508231112.EAA04857@time.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:23:14 +0100 Message-ID: <10477.809180594@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: Gary Palmer Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199508231112.EAA04857@time.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >Sophia, another teenage pregnancy (this cat weighs all of 5 pounds!), >gave birth tonite to 4 cute (of course) little kittens, bringing the >total in the Hubbard household to 17. Congratulations! And good luck. I think you'll need it :-) >I think this is a new record. I have to go lie down now. Hang on. You need to lie down? How about poor Sophia? :-) Gary From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 23 07:20:14 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA04814 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:20:14 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA04808 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:20:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA07702; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:19:46 -0700 To: Gary Palmer cc: chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jordan now has *Seventeen* cats! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:23:14 BST." <10477.809180594@palmer.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:19:45 -0700 Message-ID: <7700.809187585@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hang on. You need to lie down? How about poor Sophia? :-) Oh she's lying down alright, 4 little furry sausages docked and locked for in-flight refueling.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 23 08:45:26 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA09854 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:45:26 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA09842 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:45:18 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA24323; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:45:15 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id RAA18571 for chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:45:14 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA16624 for chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:16:27 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199508231316.PAA16624@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Jordan now has *Seventeen* cats! To: chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:16:27 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199508231112.EAA04857@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Aug 23, 95 04:12:27 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 452 Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Sophia, another teenage pregnancy (this cat weighs all of 5 pounds!), > gave birth tonite to 4 cute (of course) little kittens, bringing the > total in the Hubbard household to 17. > > I think this is a new record. I have to go lie down now. Do they run FreeBSD or Linux? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 23 08:57:57 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA10544 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:57:57 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA10538 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:57:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA08081; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:57:49 -0700 To: chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: Jordan now has *Seventeen* cats! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:16:27 +0200." <199508231316.PAA16624@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:57:48 -0700 Message-ID: <8079.809193468@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I think this is a new record. I have to go lie down now. > > Do they run FreeBSD or Linux? They run whatever I'm running, that is to say, they walk on whatever keyboard I'm trying to type on so I suppose you could say that they run FreeBSD. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 23 09:42:41 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA12421 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:42:41 -0700 Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (sri.MT.net [204.94.231.129]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA12415 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:42:38 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA02440; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:44:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:44:38 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199508231644.KAA02440@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Jordan now has *Seventeen* cats! In-Reply-To: <199508231112.EAA04857@time.cdrom.com> References: <199508231112.EAA04857@time.cdrom.com> Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > Sophia, another teenage pregnancy (this cat weighs all of 5 pounds!), > gave birth tonite to 4 cute (of course) little kittens, bringing the > total in the Hubbard household to 17. I suspect the cat is probably doing better than Jordan is, correct? I'd certainly hate to pay your food bill! Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 23 09:46:26 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA12538 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:46:26 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA12532 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:46:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA08379; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:46:14 -0700 To: Nate Williams cc: chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Jordan now has *Seventeen* cats! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:44:38 MDT." <199508231644.KAA02440@rocky.sri.MT.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:46:14 -0700 Message-ID: <8377.809196374@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I suspect the cat is probably doing better than Jordan is, correct? I'd > certainly hate to pay your food bill! To be honest, it's about $250 a month.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 23 10:06:50 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA13231 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:06:50 -0700 Received: from chrome.onramp.net (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA13225 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:06:48 -0700 Received: from localhost.jdl.com (localhost.jdl.com [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.onramp.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA11867; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:06:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199508231706.MAA11867@chrome.onramp.net> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.onramp.net: Host localhost.jdl.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Nate Williams , chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Jordan now has *Seventeen* cats! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:46:14 PDT." <8377.809196374@time.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jdl@chromatic.com Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:06:05 -0500 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Apparently, "Jordan K. Hubbard" scribbled: > > I suspect the cat is probably doing better than Jordan is, correct? I'd > > certainly hate to pay your food bill! > > To be honest, it's about $250 a month.. Hmmm... Is that the *cat* food bill or Jordan's food bill? jdl From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 23 11:52:46 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA18039 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:52:46 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA18033 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:52:43 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA08871; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:52:21 -0700 To: jdl@chromatic.com cc: Nate Williams , chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Jordan now has *Seventeen* cats! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Aug 1995 12:06:05 CDT." <199508231706.MAA11867@chrome.onramp.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:52:20 -0700 Message-ID: <8869.809203940@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > To be honest, it's about $250 a month.. > > Hmmm... Is that the *cat* food bill or Jordan's food bill? Cats only.. :) I mean :(.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 23 18:24:04 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA04144 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:24:04 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA04138 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:24:01 -0700 Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA14546; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:16:30 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199508240116.VAA14546@hda.com> Subject: Re: Jordan now has *Seventeen* cats! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199508231112.EAA04857@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Aug 23, 95 04:12:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 273 Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Sophia, another teenage pregnancy (this cat weighs all of 5 pounds!), > gave birth tonite to 4 cute (of course) little kittens, bringing the > total in the Hubbard household to 17. I guess this indicates that Sophia is more appropriately named than the landlord? Peter From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 24 09:15:38 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA27303 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:15:38 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA27297 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:15:37 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14525(2)>; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:14:52 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177475>; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:14:39 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Linux? (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 22 Aug 95 21:11:31 PDT." <2945.809151091@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:14:27 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95Aug24.091439pdt.177475@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <2945.809151091@time.cdrom.com> you write: >If someone uses the >Daemon to grace their porno site, on the other hand, the Kirk gets >pretty upset... "the Kirk"? Is that like "the Picard"? "All hail the Kirk!"... erk. Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 25 08:31:48 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA08551 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:31:48 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA08533 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:31:42 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA00272; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 23:31:27 +0800 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 23:31:27 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: We need more FreeBSD goodies? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Looks like the Linux crowd finally got their act together and got their own T-shirt. ;-) It's from the cover of the O'Reilly book on Linux (horseman) with the slogan "There's A New Operating System In Town" or some equally ignorant statement. :) Of course, I proudly wear my cute little Daemon T-shirt, but I would really love to have other FreeBSD paraphernalia too. Like those Daemon plushies (eh, Mark? Any progress on those?)... :) I also remember hearing one guy in news say something to the effect of "I've got two young kids and I'd like to raise them on the right operating system" (speaking about FreeBSD of course). It would be cute to have a toddler's bib imprinted with "Powered by FreeBSD". 8-) Oh, and we gotta have baseball caps, if we have T-shirts already... :) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 25 10:38:01 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA19735 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:38:01 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA19725 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:37:58 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id TAA08435; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:36:53 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA17540; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:36:53 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA04268; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:32:00 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199508251732.TAA04268@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: We need more FreeBSD goodies? To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:31:59 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Aug 25, 95 11:31:27 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 260 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Brian Tao wrote: > > Of course, I proudly wear my cute little Daemon T-shirt, Hey, where did'ya get _this_? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 25 10:44:11 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA20056 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:44:11 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA20050 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:44:09 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA23692; Fri, 25 Aug 95 17:43:57 GMT Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA25590; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 11:43:55 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 11:43:55 -0600 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9508251743.AA25590@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Cc: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508251732.TAA04268@uriah.heep.sax.de> (message from J Wunsch on Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:31:59 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: We need more FreeBSD goodies? Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Joerg" == J Wunsch writes: Joerg> As Brian Tao wrote: >> Of course, I proudly wear my cute little Daemon T-shirt, Joerg> Hey, where did'ya get _this_? Probably from below: To: announce@freebsd.org Subject: Come and get 'em! New FreeBSD T-shirts available. Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:36:52 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Walnut Creek CDROM has just commissioned a new line of FreeBSD T-shirts, featuring Tatsumi Hosokawa's "daemon walking out of a CD" image in 2-color process. The text below the daemon simply says "FreeBSD", with a very tiny "Walnut Creek CDROM" in black letters below it. Since they did the shirts, and the lettering is very small, I don't think anyone will begrudge them the advertising! The shirts are available in blue or white and come in Large, eXtra Large and "child medium" (a 10-12 year old child) sizes. Cost is $11.95 per shirt, plus $5.00 shipping and handling within the U.S. and Canada and $9.00 shipping International. The shipping charge is per order, so if there's anything else you want to order from Walnut Creek (or would like to "batch" orders for more than one shirt) then I strongly recommend it as $21.00 (intl.) is a bit much to pay for a T-shirt! :-) You can order by check, credit card or (in the case of large institutions) purchase order from: Walnut Creek CDROM Suite D-899 4041 Pike Lane Concord CA 94520 USA 1 800 786-9907 (Toll Free Sales) +1 510 674-0783 (International Sales) +1 510 674-0821 (FAX) orders@cdrom.com (email orders) http://www.cdrom.com/ (WWW orders) We in the FreeBSD group don't make any money from T-shirt sales, I'm simply posting this as a public service. We're also not at all adverse to seeing more daemons on people's chests! :-) -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA If you're at a Thanksgiving dinner, but you don't like the stuffing or the cranberry sauce or anything else, just pretend like you're eating it, but instead, put it all in your lap and form it into a big mushy ball. Then, later, when you're out back having cigars with the boys, let out a big fake cough and throw the ball to the ground. Then say, "Boy, these are good cigars!" -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 25 10:45:49 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA20237 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:45:49 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA20225 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:45:46 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA00704 ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 18:44:47 +0100 X-Message: This is a dial-up site. Quick responses to e-mails should not be relied upon. Thanks! To: Joerg Wunsch cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: We need more FreeBSD goodies? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:31:59 +0200." <199508251732.TAA04268@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 18:44:46 +0100 Message-ID: <702.809372686@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: Gary Palmer Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199508251732.TAA04268@uriah.heep.sax.de>, J Wunsch writes: >Hey, where did'ya get _this_? Ask orders@cdrom.com very nicely :-) Gary From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 25 12:30:09 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA25396 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:30:09 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA25384 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:30:04 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA06392 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:29:34 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA10547 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 21:22:40 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA18360 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 21:22:40 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA04735 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 20:59:17 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199508251859.UAA04735@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: We need more FreeBSD goodies? To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 20:59:17 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: sd.org@uriah.heep.sax.de In-Reply-To: <9508251743.AA25590@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> from "Sean Kelly" at Aug 25, 95 11:43:55 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 634 Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Sean Kelly wrote: > > >> Of course, I proudly wear my cute little Daemon T-shirt, > > Joerg> Hey, where did'ya get _this_? > > Probably from below: > > To: announce@freebsd.org > Walnut Creek CDROM has just commissioned a new line of FreeBSD > T-shirts, You mean to tell me i should rather subscribe to -announce? :-) Anyway, it might be an interesting idea to have some T-shirts on the European hackers' meeting in Aachen next weekend. Is there any interest? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 25 13:32:02 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA29489 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:32:02 -0700 Received: from elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (elf.kendall.mdcc.edu [147.70.150.122]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA29482 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:31:52 -0700 Received: (from freelist@localhost) by elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA11774; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:20:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:20:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Don's FList drop" To: Sean Kelly cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: We need more FreeBSD goodies? In-Reply-To: <9508251743.AA25590@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 25 Aug 1995, Sean Kelly wrote: > Joerg> As Brian Tao wrote: > >> Of course, I proudly wear my cute little Daemon T-shirt, > > Joerg> Hey, where did'ya get _this_? > > Probably from below: > > Walnut Creek CDROM has just commissioned a new line of FreeBSD > T-shirts, featuring Tatsumi Hosokawa's "daemon walking out of a CD" > image in 2-color process. The text below the daemon simply says Wow, didn't know about these. I got the "The Daemon is Free!" shirt over a year ago with the little BSD daemon (actually had a woman walk up to me and say "how cute!" once - only time Unix has ever gotten me contact with women. ) on the front. They still available? From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 25 15:02:36 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA04153 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:02:36 -0700 Received: from chrome.onramp.net (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA04144 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:02:34 -0700 Received: from localhost.jdl.com (localhost.jdl.com [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.onramp.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA21528 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 17:02:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199508252202.RAA21528@chrome.onramp.net> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.onramp.net: Host localhost.jdl.com didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Here's what I'm thinking... Reply-To: jdl@chromatic.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 17:02:07 -0500 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk We need to get rid of the FAQs. Not just FreeBSD, but the whole blessed internet. What we need instead, are some new FRA. That's "Frequently Read Answers". Yes, there's a smiley here. Sheesh! :-) jdl From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 25 15:13:50 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA04903 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:13:50 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA04893 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:13:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id XAA01941 ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 23:13:21 +0100 X-Message: This is a dial-up site. Quick responses to e-mails should not be relied upon. Thanks! To: jdl@chromatic.com cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Here's what I'm thinking... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Aug 1995 17:02:07 CDT." <199508252202.RAA21528@chrome.onramp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1938.809388800.1@palmer.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 23:13:21 +0100 Message-ID: <1939.809388801@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: Gary Palmer Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199508252202.RAA21528@chrome.onramp.net>, Jon Loeliger writes: >What we need instead, are some new FRA. That's "Frequently >Read Answers". No. What we need to do is to give a test on the FAQ's before we let the installation complete... You can't install without having first read and understood the FAQ & associated documentation :-) >Yes, there's a smiley here. Sheesh! :-) Hey! You're right, it's just that no-one has figured out how to make people read the docs yet BEFORE resorting to e-mail or phoning tech support. About the only way I can think of is to burry the e-mail addresses deep inside the FAQ :-) Gary From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 25 15:58:36 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA07824 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:58:36 -0700 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA07816 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:58:13 -0700 Received: from grumble.grondar.za (grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA04557; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 00:57:54 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA18598; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 00:57:53 +0200 Message-Id: <199508252257.AAA18598@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Gary Palmer cc: jdl@chromatic.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Here's what I'm thinking... Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 00:57:52 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > In message <199508252202.RAA21528@chrome.onramp.net>, Jon Loeliger writes: > >What we need instead, are some new FRA. That's "Frequently > >Read Answers". > > No. What we need to do is to give a test on the FAQ's before we let > the installation complete... You can't install without having first > read and understood the FAQ & associated documentation :-) > > >Yes, there's a smiley here. Sheesh! :-) > > Hey! You're right, it's just that no-one has figured out how to make > people read the docs yet BEFORE resorting to e-mail or phoning tech > support. About the only way I can think of is to burry the e-mail > addresses deep inside the FAQ :-) Har, Har. That will just make the buggers phone. C'mon, they just spent X Dollars/Pounds/Rands/Pesos/Lira and now you want then to _read_? Get real... ;-) M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grumble.grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 26 12:06:29 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA27067 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:06:29 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA27061 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:06:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA02431; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:06:21 -0700 To: Bill Fenner cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Linux? (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:14:27 PDT." <95Aug24.091439pdt.177475@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:06:21 -0700 Message-ID: <2429.809463981@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >Daemon to grace their porno site, on the other hand, the Kirk gets > >pretty upset... > > "the Kirk"? Is that like "the Picard"? "All hail the Kirk!"... > I read that too and went "whoops!". ^the^then^ :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 26 12:42:20 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA27761 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:42:20 -0700 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA27755 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:42:08 -0700 Received: from grumble.grondar.za (grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA06117; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 21:41:53 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA28345; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 21:41:52 +0200 Message-Id: <199508261941.VAA28345@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Bill Fenner , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Linux? (fwd) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 21:41:52 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >Daemon to grace their porno site, on the other hand, the Kirk gets > > >pretty upset... > > > > "the Kirk"? Is that like "the Picard"? "All hail the Kirk!"... > > > > I read that too and went "whoops!". ^the^then^ > > :-) > > Jordan OTOH - "Kirk" is a Scottish for church. Sure, if you use little red devils to advertise your porno site, the Church is likely to get more tense about it! ]:-> M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grumble.grondar.za for PGP key