From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Sep 3 06:51:39 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA17779 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 06:51:39 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA17773 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 06:51:37 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27792; Sun, 3 Sep 95 13:51:29 GMT Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA17885; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 07:51:26 -0600 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 07:51:26 -0600 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9509031351.AA17885@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509022008.WAA06046@keltia.frmug.fr.net> (message from Ollivier Robert on Sat, 2 Sep 1995 22:08:37 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: And now for something completely different.. Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Ollivier" == Ollivier Robert writes: Ollivier> It seems that Sean Kelly said: >> >From traceroutes, it looks like some place in Texas. Anyone >> know better/for certain? Ollivier> Did anyone checked with whois ? That's too easy! :-) It was Zero Micro Software, of Cincinatti, Ohio, USA. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA Shoot rubber bands at your roommate while his/her back is turned, and then look away quickly. -- One of 120 ways to annoy your roommate. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 4 00:00:00 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA18923 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 00:00:00 -0700 Received: from lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.7.3]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA18912 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 23:59:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199509040659.XAA18912@freefall.FreeBSD.org> Received: by lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09871; Mon, 4 Sep 95 14:44:45 +0800 From: Yen-Wei Liu Subject: Re: Microsoft runs BSD!!! To: roberto@Keltia.Freenix.FR (Ollivier Robert) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 95 14:44:45 EAT Cc: sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509022007.WAA06036@keltia.frmug.fr.net>; from "Ollivier Robert" at Sep 2, 95 10:07 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Last time I checked, Microsoft's mail servers were running Xenix with an > old version of sendmail (5.65 not even IDA...). IBM main machine (ibm.net) > was probably running AIX on a PC-RT (it answer BSD 4.3 to telnet). > Last time I checked up ftp.microsoft.com, it was an NT server ... -- Yen-Wei Liu Internet e-mail address:ywliu@beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw ywliu@gate.sinica.edu.tw FAX: +886-2-783-6444 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 4 01:06:24 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA21296 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 01:06:24 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA21277 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 01:06:07 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA04679; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:05:07 +0800 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:05:05 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: And now for something completely different.. In-Reply-To: <6769.809819254@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > ping www.micros0ft.com > ^ > | > +-- That's a zero there, not an O. > > How they ever got this one past the NIC, I just don't know! :-) Some mild naughtiness coming up (do ^L's work in mail readers?) For something even *more* different and awe-inspiring, try pinging bill.gates.can.suck.my.left.nut.micros0ft.com. :) :) :) Easily my all-time favourite Internet hostname. ;-) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 4 01:15:39 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA21613 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 01:15:39 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA21604 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 01:15:18 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA04688; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:09:44 +0800 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:09:44 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: jdl@chromatic.com cc: freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Meeting up in SF/MV/SJ area In-Reply-To: <199509012013.PAA08986@chrome.onramp.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Jon Loeliger wrote: > > Speaking of which, I'm headed out to Mtn View next week. Anyone out > there (core or lurker) wanna wear FreeBSD shirts and hit the Tied house? I'll be in San Jose for two weeks starting on September 8 if any of you folks want to get together. The last time I was there (beginning of August), I couldn't find *anyhwere* with net access!!! Perhaps someone could mail me locations in San Jose with public- access terminals? Or better yet, e-mail me phone numbers and I'll give folks a call once I'm in. *Actually*, I'm still looking for a ride back to SFO airport on the 21st, if anyone is heading out that way. ;-) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 4 01:16:21 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA21646 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 01:16:21 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA21606 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 01:15:26 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA04710; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:13:20 +0800 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:13:19 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Peter Wemm cc: dillon@best.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. BSD/OS disk performance In-Reply-To: <41u996$jdq$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On 29 Aug 1995, Peter Wemm wrote: > > Didn't Matt Dillon mention that his Disk IO comparisons between BSD/OS > and FreeBSD that showed that FreeBSD wiped the floor with BSD/OS? And > didn't somebody from UUNET suggest he was mistaken and challenge him > to post numbers, to which Matt responded by posting some benchmarks > showing something like a 5-times improvement? I'd *love* to see these numbers. BSD/OS used to only support the Buslogics controllers, and recently added NCR support, but I don't know how good it is. Probably still can't use the Adaptec 2940/3940 controllers. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 4 01:40:20 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA22361 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 01:40:20 -0700 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA22347 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 01:40:13 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (sendmail) id QAA14759; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:39:28 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:39:27 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: Brian Tao cc: dillon@best.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. BSD/OS disk performance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 4 Sep 1995, Brian Tao wrote: > On 29 Aug 1995, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > > Didn't Matt Dillon mention that his Disk IO comparisons between BSD/OS > > and FreeBSD that showed that FreeBSD wiped the floor with BSD/OS? And > > didn't somebody from UUNET suggest he was mistaken and challenge him > > to post numbers, to which Matt responded by posting some benchmarks > > showing something like a 5-times improvement? > > I'd *love* to see these numbers. BSD/OS used to only support the > Buslogics controllers, and recently added NCR support, but I don't > know how good it is. Probably still can't use the Adaptec 2940/3940 > controllers. I didn't pay much attention when it was first posted, but I remember thinking that it sounded like BSD/OS wasn't doing clustering properly, and was seriously suffering as a result. I know the newfs/mkfs/tunefs settings make a big difference to FreeBSD.. Performance is pretty lousy if the filesystem has the older-style rotational block layout where the blocks are not contiguous. I redid a mkfs on the box next to me, and saw a performance boost from about 600K/sec to about 3.0MB/sec - and that was on an old, slowish seagate disk.. :-) The thing I wonder though, is if that would make much difference to a news filesystem.. Raw throughput is not the issue, it's more a problem of head seek latency, and reducing the delays caused by doing sync inode and directory updates. FreeBSD-current can now turn off the sync inode updates, but FreeBSD doesn't have a trickle buffer update like SVR3, SVR4 and Linux do, so it's a little risky to defer your inode updates to a flurry of updates every 30 seconds. And, of course, turning off the sync inode updates removes a syncronous access time update each time a file is read from your news spool by a reader/nntpd/nfs access. Cheers, -Peter > -- > Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao > taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org > > From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 4 22:29:45 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA01711 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 22:29:45 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA01670 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 22:29:40 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA15504 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:58:11 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15899(1)>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:57:36 PDT Received: by crevenia.parc.xerox.com id <177475>; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:57:27 -0700 From: Bill Fenner To: jdl@chrome.onramp.net Subject: Re: Test/Release cycle. Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <95Sep4.175727pdt.177475@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:57:17 PDT Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Speaking of which, I'm headed out to Mtn View next week. Anyone out >there (core or lurker) wanna wear FreeBSD shirts and hit the Tied house? Hmm... I don't have a FreeBSD shirt, but I could probably be dragged to the Tied house with my 4.3bsd system daemon shirt... =) Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 5 21:32:39 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA23148 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 21:32:39 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA23142 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 21:32:36 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA01302; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:31:43 +0800 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:31:43 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Welp, I'm outta here... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'll be busy packing up my worldly possessions for the next couple of days, then flying back to Toronto with a two-week stopover in San Jose. If anyone wants to contact me via e-mail, send it to my taob@io.org address (or my Taiwan one, it will be forwarded) since I will be unsubscribing from the FreeBSD lists temporarily until I've got things set up again in Toronto. Talk to you guys at the end of September. :) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 7 13:59:15 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA08364 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 13:59:15 -0700 Received: from oasis.txdirect.net (oasis.txdirect.net [204.57.120.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA08358 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 13:59:10 -0700 Received: (from rsnow@localhost) by oasis.txdirect.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA14897; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:59:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:58:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Snow X-Sender: rsnow@oasis To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fvwm's home? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've forwarded this message from Robert Nation about FVWM. It appear he is halting his development of FVWM v2.0 at pl33 and putting it up for grabs to anyone who is interested. ______________________________________________________________________ Rob Snow Powered by FreeBSD rsnow@txdirect.net http://www.freebsd.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 15:03:06 EDT From: Robert Nation 885-9815 To: mdb@cdc.noaa.gov Cc: fvwm@wonderland.org Subject: Re: fvwm's home? >Because (aside from documentation) you consider it a basically >finished product, or do you just no longer have time to tinker with >it? It seems to be a finished product,and I no longer have time. There were a few patches still to be applied, I'll mail them to anyone who wants to take over. >Lastly, can you please tell me what the last official patch level was? it was pl 33 From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 8 02:56:08 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA27736 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 02:56:08 -0700 Received: from mail2.digital.com (mail2.digital.com [204.123.2.56]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA27730 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 02:56:06 -0700 Received: from tartufo.pcs.dec.com by mail2.digital.com; (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA16605; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 02:25:49 -0700 Received: by tartufo.pcs.dec.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.39) id ; Fri, 8 Sep 95 11:25 MSZ Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 11:25 MSZ From: me@tartufo.pcs.dec.com (Michael Elbel) To: rsnow@txdirect.net Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fvwm's home? (fwd) Newsgroups: pcs.freebsd.chat References: Reply-To: me@freebsd.org Sender: chat-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In pcs.freebsd.chat you write: >I've forwarded this message from Robert Nation about FVWM. It appear >he is halting his development of FVWM v2.0 at pl33 and putting it up >for grabs to anyone who is interested. Thanks, I'll have a look at it. Maybe it's time for a fvwm-2 port :-) Michael -- Michael Elbel, PCS GmbH, Muenchen, Germany - me@FreeBSD.org Fermentation fault (coors dumped) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 8 03:07:25 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id DAA28418 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 03:07:25 -0700 Received: from oasis.txdirect.net (oasis.txdirect.net [204.57.120.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA28410 ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 03:07:22 -0700 Received: (from rsnow@localhost) by oasis.txdirect.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id FAA08272; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 05:07:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 05:06:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Snow X-Sender: rsnow@oasis To: me@FreeBSD.org cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: fvwm's home? (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, Michael Elbel wrote: > In pcs.freebsd.chat you write: > > > >I've forwarded this message from Robert Nation about FVWM. It appear > >he is halting his development of FVWM v2.0 at pl33 and putting it up > >for grabs to anyone who is interested. > > Thanks, I'll have a look at it. Maybe it's time for a fvwm-2 port :-) > > Michael > -- > Michael Elbel, PCS GmbH, Muenchen, Germany - me@FreeBSD.org > Fermentation fault (coors dumped) > It should be a fairly easy port. I got pl26 yesterday and compiled it to see what it looked like. It compiled easily and ran fine. I did notice that it uses QUITE a bit more memory than 1.24r, hence 1.24r still has a job around here. ______________________________________________________________________ Rob Snow Powered by FreeBSD rsnow@txdirect.net http://www.freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 8 14:41:33 1995 Return-Path: chat-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA07619 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:41:33 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA07612 ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:41:30 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA07435 ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:40:57 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id XAA26287 ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 23:40:51 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.Freenix.FR (8.7.Beta.14/keltia-uucp-2.4) id WAA10773; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 22:21:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199509082021.WAA10773@keltia.Freenix.FR> Subject: Re: fvwm's home? (fwd) To: rsnow@txdirect.net (Rob Snow) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 22:21:55 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: me@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Rob Snow" at Sep 8, 95 05:06:57 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1071 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7a+] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: chat-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Rob Snow said: > It should be a fairly easy port. I got pl26 yesterday and compiled it > to see what it looked like. It compiled easily and ran fine. I did > notice that it uses QUITE a bit more memory than 1.24r, hence 1.24r > still has a job around here. And it has a different initlization file for at *again*. I think I'll revert to 1.24r... The new format is more complicated and I don't see what it gives us. In fact, I don't really see any difference between 1.24 and 2.x (in term of features). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.2-CURRENT #17: Sun Sep 3 20:59:24 MET DST 1995