From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 1 06:23:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA13650 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 06:23:18 -0700 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA13632 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 06:23:10 -0700 Received: from grumble.grondar.za (grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA01128; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 15:22:58 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA04959; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 15:22:58 +0200 Message-Id: <199510011322.PAA04959@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: peter@haywire.dialix.com (Peter Wemm) cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Printing handbook chapter COMPLETE Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 15:22:58 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >And don't take a laptop either :-) > > >Don't laugh, I've seen people taking a laptop with them for holidays (my > >own boss!). I just can't understand this... > > Hey! I've done that.. (and a modem) :-) Only I made sure that the > only interesting thing on there was a terminal program.. I did > actually need it once when I got a panic phone call from work that I had > to dial in to fix.. There are downsides to being the only one who > understands the systems/network. I cannot imagine going on a trip without making sure I have a reciprocity agreement with every ISP in earshot ;-) (I get accused of being an incurable propeller-head at work - I wonder why?) One day I'll get it right, and go into the bush for a month and forget anty form of technology any more advanced than cold running water. M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grumble.grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 1 07:34:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA15748 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 07:34:07 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA15743 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 07:34:04 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA13402; Sun, 1 Oct 95 14:33:32 GMT Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA26124; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 08:33:31 -0600 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 08:33:31 -0600 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9510011433.AA26124@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: mark@grondar.za Cc: peter@haywire.dialix.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199510011322.PAA04959@grumble.grondar.za> (message from Mark Murray on Sun, 01 Oct 1995 15:22:58 +0200) Subject: Re: Printing handbook chapter COMPLETE Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Murray writes: >> >And don't take a laptop either :-) Mark> One day I'll get it right, and go into the bush for a month Mark> and forget anty form of technology any more advanced than Mark> cold running water. Yikes ... sounds awful. I think I'll definitely bring a laptop to Hawaii. After all, what if I run out of things to do?!? ;-) -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory, Boulder Colorado USA I wish I had a kryptonite cross, because then you could keep both Dracula AND Superman away. -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 1 17:21:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA06878 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 17:21:25 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA06864 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 17:21:21 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id UAA28051; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 20:14:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 20:14:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: p6 will run windows slower than 586 To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk the p6 runs windows 3.1 and windows 95 slower than the 586. a 150MHz p6 does 25% better than a 133MHz 586. not the scale of speed up that was seen in 386 -> 486 or 486 -> 586 take a look at this url: http://www.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1995/q4/950907.pr.adv.advantage.html jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 1 17:38:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA07540 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 17:38:28 -0700 Received: from fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA07532 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 17:38:23 -0700 Received: (from jfieber@localhost) by fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA23057; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:37:25 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:37:24 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: p6 will run windows slower than 586 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 1 Oct 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > the p6 runs windows 3.1 and windows 95 slower than the 586. > a 150MHz p6 does 25% better than a 133MHz 586. not the scale of speed up > that was seen in 386 -> 486 or 486 -> 586 > > take a look at this url: > > http://www.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1995/q4/950907.pr.adv.advantage.html I read (latest Byte I think) that the performance of legacy applilations (read: windows) is so terrible on the P6 that Intel is working hard with Sun to create a P6 optimised Solaris so that there will be *something* available to keep the P6 from looking like a total flop. Of course, some of us might question whether solaris is an appropriate choice for such a task... -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ============ From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 1 22:15:43 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA16866 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:15:43 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA16857 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:15:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA25490; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:15:04 -0700 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: p6 will run windows slower than 586 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 01 Oct 1995 20:14:24 EDT." Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 22:15:04 -0700 Message-ID: <25488.812610904@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > the p6 runs windows 3.1 and windows 95 slower than the 586. > a 150MHz p6 does 25% better than a 133MHz 586. not the scale of speed up > that was seen in 386 -> 486 or 486 -> 586 This is due to its slowness at dealing with a 16 bit data model. Ironically, it may be the UNIX machines that benefit the most from the P6. Jordan > > take a look at this url: > > http://www.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1995/q4/950907.pr.adv.advantage.h tml > > jmb > > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. > FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy > play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 > ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 > From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 2 06:18:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA18990 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 06:18:55 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA18979 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 06:18:51 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id JAA20299; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:11:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:10:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: p6 will run windows slower than 586 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <25488.812610904@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 1 Oct 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > the p6 runs windows 3.1 and windows 95 slower than the 586. > > a 150MHz p6 does 25% better than a 133MHz 586. not the scale of speed up > > that was seen in 386 -> 486 or 486 -> 586 > > This is due to its slowness at dealing with a 16 bit data model. > Ironically, it may be the UNIX machines that benefit the most from the > P6. yes, exactly. intel finally gives up on the 16 bit world after waiting a decade for microsloth to convert to 32 bit. which year was the 386 released, 1985? i love you bill hates. Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 2 07:20:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA25295 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 07:20:28 -0700 Received: from chrome.jdl.com (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA25279 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 07:20:25 -0700 Received: from localhost.jdl.com (localhost.jdl.com [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA26762 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:19:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199510021419.JAA26762@chrome.jdl.com> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.jdl.com: Host localhost.jdl.com didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: SCO, HP and Novell carve Unix between them Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 09:19:58 -0500 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ------- Forwarded Message Forwarded-by: bostic@bsdi.com (Keith Bostic) Forwarded-by: Todd Kover Forwarded-by: Omar Siddique Forwarded-by: more@power.globalnews.com SANTA CRUZ, HEWLETT-PACKARD, NOVELL CARVE UP UNIX BETWEEN THEM (September 25th 1995) Novell Inc admitted last week that its buying Unix System Laboratories from AT&T Corp had been a mistake. It handed on its main contribution to the Unix world - the UnixWare mass market low-end iAPX-86 Unix - to Santa Cruz Operation Inc. In return it is to get shares representing 17% of the enlarged equity and a revenue stream of up to $84m between now and 2002 based on the performance of the business Santa Cruz has bought. The deal mirrors Microsoft Corp's dumping of Xenix onto Santa Cruz in return for a similar stake almost a decade ago. Santa Cruz will also take a licence to Novell's NetWare Directory Services and other NetWare 4 technologies as the basis for future networking services. It plans to merge SCO OpenServer Release 5 and UnixWare 2 to create a standard high-volume Unix with integrated NetWare networking services, for 1997. At the top end, Hewlett-Packard Co is to take over development of 64-bit Unix specifically for the future merged Precision Architecture-iAPX-86 chip family it is developing with Intel Corp. Santa Cruz will acquire Novell's Unix intellectual property so it sounds as if it will collect royalties on the licensed Unixes of IBM Corp, Silicon Graphics Inc, ICL Plc and others. It will also hire a number of Novell employees. Novell says it will work with Hewlett-Packard to produce a high-performance implementation of its NetWare Directory Services and File/Print Services for HP-UX, and to integrate the former with the Distributed Computing Environment. No direct mention was made of any of the other Unix licensees. (C) Computergram International ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 2 21:37:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA10922 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:37:57 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA10913 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:37:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA29804; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:37:37 -0700 To: Brian Tao cc: Warner Losh , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vgalib for FreeBSD! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 02 Oct 1995 22:57:45 EDT." Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 21:37:37 -0700 Message-ID: <29802.812695057@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > If one of them is a Forth program, his lines would come out > something like: (((ham green_eggs) AND) like) NOT; > sam>I; Heretic! That's some sort of RPN'd LISP you're spoutin' there! It should read: (defun I () (progn (not (like (and green-eggs ham))))) Forth would be: : _i ham @ green-eggs @ and not ; (`I' is already a standard word in forth) :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 2 22:08:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA13314 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:08:27 -0700 Received: from csugrad.cs.vt.edu (jagnew@csugrad.cs.vt.edu [128.173.41.74]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA13301 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:08:19 -0700 Received: (jagnew@localhost) by csugrad.cs.vt.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id BAA00976; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 01:07:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 01:07:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Howland Jared Agnew To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: mitsumi cdrom Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I need a kernel that will find mitsumi cdrom ide on the secondary motherboard ide controler (on a dell p75 dimension) if you have any idea will you write me back please I would like to get started working on it thanks a ton in advance H Jared Agnew ES From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 3 02:45:09 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA06132 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 02:45:09 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA06103 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 02:44:59 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA03180; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:44:54 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA09533; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:44:53 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA03829; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:30:41 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199510030930.KAA03829@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: mitsumi cdrom To: jagnew@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Howland Jared Agnew) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:30:37 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Howland Jared Agnew" at Oct 3, 95 01:07:53 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 526 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Howland Jared Agnew wrote: > > I need a kernel that will find mitsumi cdrom ide on the secondary > motherboard ide controler (on a dell p75 dimension) if you have any idea > will you write me back please I would like to get started working on it > thanks a ton in advance What did you already do? Do you have a kernel with ATAPI enabled? What's your code base to play with? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 3 15:05:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA26339 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 15:05:25 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA26313 ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 15:05:01 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id RAA13658; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:57:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:57:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: please delete this message To: test@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk subscribe now you didnt read it, did you? Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 3 15:09:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA26583 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 15:09:28 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA26562 ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 15:09:03 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id SAA13740; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 18:01:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 18:01:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: delete me too! To: chat@freebsd.org, test@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk help Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 4 09:06:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA24231 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:06:32 -0700 Received: from xenon.chromatic.com (xenon.chromatic.com [199.5.224.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA24225 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:06:28 -0700 Received: from localhost (jdl@localhost) by xenon.chromatic.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA07890 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:06:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199510041606.JAA07890@xenon.chromatic.com> X-Authentication-Warning: xenon.chromatic.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: The Paging Game Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 09:06:24 -0700 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I had often wondered how this all worked. Clears it right up! BTW, is this the FreeBSD implementation? jdl ------- Forwarded Message From: bostic@bsdi.com (Keith Bostic) Subject: The Thing King THE PAGING GAME Jeff Berryman, University of British Columbia *** RULES *** 1) Each player gets several million *things*. 2) Things are kept in *crates* that hold 4096 things each. Things in the same crate are called *crate-mates*. 3) Crates are stored either in the *workshop* or in the *warehouse*. The workshop is almost always too small to hold all the crates. 4) There is only one workshop, but there may be several warehouses. Everybody shares them. 5) Each thing has its own *thing number*. 6) What you do with a thing is to *zark* it. Everybody takes turns zarking. 7) You can only zark your own things, not anybody else's. 8) Things may only be zarked when they are in the workshop. 9) Only the *Thing King* knows whether a thing is in the workshop or in a warehouse. 10) The longer a thing goes without being zarked, the *grubbier* it is said to become. 11) The way to get things is to ask the Thing King. He only gives out things in crates. This is to keep royal overhead down. 12) The way to zark a thing is to give its thing number. If you give the number of a thing that happens to be in the workshop, it gets zarked right away. If it is in a warehouse, the Thing King moves the crate containing your thing into the workshop. If there is no room in the workshop, he first finds the grubbiest crate in the workshop, whether it be yours or somebody else's, and packs it off with all its crate-mates to a warehouse. In its place he puts the crate containing your thing. Your thing gets zarked and you never even know that it wasn't in the workshop all along. 13) Each players stock of things has the same numbers as everybody else's. The Thing King always knows who owns what thing and whose turn it is, so you can't ever accidentally zark somebody else's thing even if it has the same number as one of yours. *** NOTES *** 1) Traditionally, the Thing King sits at a large, segmented table and is attended by pages (the so-called "table pages") whose jobs it is to help the king remember where all the things are and to whom they belong. 2) One consequence of Rule 13 is that everybody's thing numbers will be similar from game to game, regardless of the number of players. 3) The Thing King has a few things of his own, some of which move back and forth between workshop and warehouse just like anybody else's, but some of which are just too heavy to move out of the workshop. 4) With the given set of rules, oft-zarked things tend to get kept mostly in the workshop, while little-zarked things stay mostly in a warehouse. 5) Sometimes even the warehouses get full. The Thing King then has to start piling things on the dump out back. This makes the game slow because it takes a long time to get things off the dump when they are needed in the workshop. A forthcoming change in the rules will allow the Thing King to select the grubbiest things in the warehouses and send them to dump in his spare time, thus keeping the warehouses from getting too full. This means that the most infrequently-zarked things will end up in the dump so the Thing King won't have to get things from the dump so often. This should speed up the game when there are a lot of players and the warehouses are getting full. LONG LIVE THE THING KING! ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 4 12:00:15 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA00175 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:00:15 -0700 Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA00170 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:00:09 -0700 Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA08857; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:01:23 -0400 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199510041901.PAA08857@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: results of cd /usr/src; time make all To: thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (Thomas Gellekum) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199510040855.JAA00764@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> from "Thomas Gellekum" at Oct 4, 95 09:55:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 594 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Last time I did a make world was for the upgrade of 1.1 to 1.1.5. > It took something like 18h on my 386/25, 8MB, 1542CF. I've never > tried this on a 2.x system. It was something like 20-24 hours -for stable -- boy am I glad my 486 motherboard just came back. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice. Lakewood MicroSystems | 17 Meredith Drive, 908-389-3592 | Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 pechter@shell.monmouth.com | From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 4 15:36:29 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA06952 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:36:29 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA06946 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:36:13 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA02106; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:35:50 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA00870; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:35:49 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA04680; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:18:03 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199510042218.XAA04680@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: results of cd /usr/src; time make all To: thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (Thomas Gellekum) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:18:02 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199510040855.JAA00764@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> from "Thomas Gellekum" at Oct 4, 95 09:55:27 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 720 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Thomas Gellekum wrote: > > Last time I did a make world was for the upgrade of 1.1 to 1.1.5. > It took something like 18h on my 386/25, 8MB, 1542CF. I've never > tried this on a 2.x system. > > tg, now awaiting numbers for Jörg's 386SX/16. I think the last "make World" one of my SXen had been running was the make World of XFree86 1.2. It took slightly more than 24 hours... A recent kernel recompilation (2.1-stable) on my 386sx/16, 5 MB notebook took almost 2.5 hours, including make depend. Running catman(1) takes about a night to complete... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 5 06:47:21 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA08609 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 06:47:21 -0700 Received: from bacchus.eng.umd.edu (bacchus.eng.umd.edu [129.2.94.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA08602 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 06:47:19 -0700 Received: from latte.eng.umd.edu (latte.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.15]) by bacchus.eng.umd.edu (8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id JAA06544 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (chuckr@localhost) by latte.eng.umd.edu (8.7/8.6.4) id JAA02197; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: maps Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know a good source for maps, say of the US, and of the world? Nothing very elaborate, I need it for a school project. Thanks. BTW, I mean computer maps, images. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 5 08:33:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA11971 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:33:16 -0700 Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA11963 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:33:12 -0700 Received: from vivid.autometric.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzkdq03830; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:33:04 -0400 Received: from jester by vivid.autometric.com via ESMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/920502.SGI) id LAA05185; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:31:44 -0400 Received: by jester (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id LAA07589; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:31:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:31:43 -0400 From: bsletten@jester.autometric.com (Brian J. Sletten) Message-Id: <199510051531.LAA07589@jester> To: chuckr@eng.umd.edu CC: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: (message from Chuck Robey on Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:47:16 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: maps Reply-to: bsletten@vivid.autometric.com Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know a good source for maps, say of the US, and of the world? > Nothing very elaborate, I need it for a school project. You might want to check these out, Chuck. I haven't been there in a while, but I think there are some good links for what you are looking for: http://rowan.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/map_sites.html http://ellesmere.ccm.emr.ca/wnaismap/naismap.html -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Brian J. Sletten 2905 Wickersham Way, #202 (703) 658-4178 (O) bsletten@autometric.com Falls Church, VA 22042 (703) 207-9377 (H) To be a leader of men one must turn one's back on men. -- Havelock Ellis -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 5 13:44:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA20488 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:44:51 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA20467 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:44:42 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA28771; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 21:44:20 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA10699; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 21:44:19 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA09667; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 21:27:15 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199510052027.VAA09667@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: maps To: chuckr@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 21:27:15 +0100 (MET) Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Oct 5, 95 09:47:16 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 477 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Chuck Robey wrote: > > Does anyone know a good source for maps, say of the US, and of the world? > Nothing very elaborate, I need it for a school project. Some years ago, around 1992, there's been a large Usenet discussion about the CIA releasing some of their map data. I'm not sure if this is still online. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)