From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 16 09:27:44 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA06088 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 09:27:44 -0700 Received: from netcom5.netcom.com (pascal@netcom5.netcom.com [192.100.81.113]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA06082 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 09:27:43 -0700 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id JAA29762; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 09:27:31 -0700 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 09:27:31 -0700 From: pascal@netcom.com (Richard A Childers) Message-Id: <199504161627.JAA29762@netcom5.netcom.com> To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu, pvinci@ix.netcom.com Subject: man2html filter (was Re: any news as to html server?) Cc: doc@freebsd.org Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk "A good demo should be able to do on-the-fly html generation from man pages with live links to other man pages." Second this. I was perusing the Net last night, looking for rtf2html, and noticed that someone has apparently already written a man2html filter. Ask archie(l), or if you can't find it, let me know and I'll take a browse. -- richard | | | "A cloak is no longer a cloak if it does not keep one warm." | | | | richard childers san francisco, california pascal@netcom.com | From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 16 17:37:02 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA04721 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 17:37:02 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA04715 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 17:37:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA15386; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 20:37:55 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504170037.UAA15386@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: man2html filter (was Re: any news as to html server?) To: pascal@netcom.com (Richard A Childers) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 20:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504161627.JAA29762@netcom5.netcom.com> from "Richard A Childers" at Apr 16, 95 09:27:31 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 686 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Richard A Childers writes: > I was perusing the Net last night, looking for rtf2html, and noticed that > someone has apparently already written a man2html filter. Ask archie(l), > or if you can't find it, let me know and I'll take a browse. I found a few converters but all take formatted man pages as input which means the conversion to HTML is even longer than it takes with the normal man command. Of course, I'm pretty [nt]roff ignorant so I don't really know if going from man source to html is even a reasonable option... -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 17 22:52:49 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA15728 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 17 Apr 1995 22:52:49 -0700 Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.BARRNET.NET [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA15722 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 1995 22:52:48 -0700 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com (ix5.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.9]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.6.10/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id UAA20091 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 20:15:03 -0700 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id UAA27479; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 20:16:12 -0700 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 20:16:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199504170316.UAA27479@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: pvinci@ix.netcom.com (Paul Vinciguerra) Subject: Re: man2html filter (was Re: any news as to html server?) To: doc@freebsd.org Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk You wrote: > > >"A good demo should be able to do on-the-fly html generation from > man pages with live links to other man pages." > >Second this. > >I was perusing the Net last night, looking for rtf2html, and noticed that >someone has apparently already written a man2html filter. Ask archie(l), >or if you can't find it, let me know and I'll take a browse. > | Isn't it in -current ports? From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 02:52:13 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA28346 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 02:52:13 -0700 Received: from violet.berkeley.edu (violet.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA28337 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 02:52:03 -0700 Received: by violet.berkeley.edu (8.6.10/1.33r) id CAA13030; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 02:52:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 02:52:02 -0700 From: jkh@violet.berkeley.edu (Jordan K. Hubbard) Message-Id: <199504180952.CAA13030@violet.berkeley.edu> To: core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce Path: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!remus.wat.hookup.net!metrics.com!tomh From: Paul A Vixie Subject: WEB: BSD/OS hardware information archive Approved: tomh@metrics.com Message-ID: Sender: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) Organization: Software Metrics Inc. Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 01:41:37 GMT Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc Lines: 24 I am often asked to recommend a high performance machine for BSD/OS. Uses for this kind of beast include: * A timeshare system for a bunch of X Terminals (or PCs or Macs). * An NFS file server (data will come out of it at Ethernet speed). * An Internet information server (dns, http, ftp, gopher, veronica). * An Internet data processor (nntp, smtp, uucp). * An Internet terminal server (slip, ppp, bbs). * An Internet gateway and possibly firewall (bgp4, rip{,2}, hello). * An X workstation (maybe with a multi-screen display). * A mix of the above if you can only afford one big host. This text assumes the use of BSD/OS 2.0, and some of the hardware I recommend does not work on other systems or on early versions of BSD/OS. Caveat emptor. The information is available on the Web at the following URL: http://www.vix.com/pc-hw/bsd-os-hwconfig.html -- [ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ] [ "only a toy." -- alexander graham bell's father-in-law, 1876 ] From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 11:01:44 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA12997 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:01:44 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA12988 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:01:30 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA12873; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:58:35 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199504181758.KAA12873@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. To: jkh@violet.berkeley.edu (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504180952.CAA13030@violet.berkeley.edu> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 18, 95 02:52:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2388 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce > Path: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!remus.wat.hookup.net!metrics.com!tomh > From: Paul A Vixie > Subject: WEB: BSD/OS hardware information archive > Approved: tomh@metrics.com > Message-ID: > Sender: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) > Organization: Software Metrics Inc. > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 01:41:37 GMT > Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc > Lines: 24 > > > I am often asked to recommend a high performance machine for BSD/OS. Uses > for this kind of beast include: > > * A timeshare system for a bunch of X Terminals (or PCs or Macs). > * An NFS file server (data will come out of it at Ethernet speed). > * An Internet information server (dns, http, ftp, gopher, veronica). > * An Internet data processor (nntp, smtp, uucp). > * An Internet terminal server (slip, ppp, bbs). > * An Internet gateway and possibly firewall (bgp4, rip{,2}, hello). > * An X workstation (maybe with a multi-screen display). > * A mix of the above if you can only afford one big host. > > This text assumes the use of BSD/OS 2.0, and some of the hardware I > recommend does not work on other systems or on early versions of BSD/OS. > Caveat emptor. > > The information is available on the Web at the following URL: > > http://www.vix.com/pc-hw/bsd-os-hwconfig.html I have read Paul's web pages, and it has some good information but it is extremly (not just slightly) BSD/OS centric. He is still staying away from PCI as the only supported PCI board they have is the bt946 :-(. He recomends 3COM ethernet cards since that is there best driver, while ours is defanitly the if_de driver for PCI cards or the if_ed for ISA cards. I would clone his pages and make them ``Accurate Automation'' pages, but that would be serious copyright infringement :-(. If my business contiunues to grow at it's current rate it will be feasible for me to increase my internet bandwidth and start a www server here that would be ``FreeBSD'' centric. PS: Am I get over commercial on the mailling lists? I have been a little worried about some of my postings about what it is that I do and grabbing every person I see looking to buy hardware. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 11:08:03 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA13240 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:08:03 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA13204 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:07:46 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id LAA04024; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:07:35 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199504181807.LAA04024@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@violet.berkeley.edu, core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504181758.KAA12873@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Apr 18, 95 10:58:35 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1277 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > http://www.vix.com/pc-hw/bsd-os-hwconfig.html > > I have read Paul's web pages, and it has some good information but it > is extremly (not just slightly) BSD/OS centric. He is still staying > away from PCI as the only supported PCI board they have is the bt946 :-(. > > He recomends 3COM ethernet cards since that is there best driver, while > ours is defanitly the if_de driver for PCI cards or the if_ed for ISA > cards. > > I would clone his pages and make them ``Accurate Automation'' pages, > but that would be serious copyright infringement :-(. If my business > contiunues to grow at it's current rate it will be feasible for me to > increase my internet bandwidth and start a www server here that would > be ``FreeBSD'' centric. > > PS: Am I get over commercial on the mailling lists? I have been a > little worried about some of my postings about what it is that I > do and grabbing every person I see looking to buy hardware. I suggest we add you to the "commercial" page on the web, and put you in the FAQ too "as a good place to see the current status of supported HW". -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 11:36:05 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA14362 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:36:05 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA14354 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:35:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA16628; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 14:36:41 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504181836.OAA16628@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 14:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jkh@violet.berkeley.edu, core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504181758.KAA12873@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Apr 18, 95 10:58:35 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 847 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes writes: > I would clone his pages and make them ``Accurate Automation'' pages, > but that would be serious copyright infringement :-(. If my business > contiunues to grow at it's current rate it will be feasible for me to > increase my internet bandwidth and start a www server here that would > be ``FreeBSD'' centric. By all means put something together on freefall. Just create $HOME/public_html and I'll make a link to it in the small, but growing commercial section of the main web pages. After all, "What should I buy?" *is* one of the more frequently asked questions. Of all sections in the FAQ, the hardware section gets the most hits in the web server by far. -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 11:53:46 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA14617 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:53:46 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA14609 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:53:31 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA13389; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:50:10 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199504181850.LAA13389@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@violet.berkeley.edu, core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504181807.LAA04024@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Apr 18, 95 11:07:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1977 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > http://www.vix.com/pc-hw/bsd-os-hwconfig.html > > > > I have read Paul's web pages, and it has some good information but it > > is extremly (not just slightly) BSD/OS centric. He is still staying > > away from PCI as the only supported PCI board they have is the bt946 :-(. > > > > He recomends 3COM ethernet cards since that is there best driver, while > > ours is defanitly the if_de driver for PCI cards or the if_ed for ISA > > cards. > > > > I would clone his pages and make them ``Accurate Automation'' pages, > > but that would be serious copyright infringement :-(. If my business > > contiunues to grow at it's current rate it will be feasible for me to > > increase my internet bandwidth and start a www server here that would > > be ``FreeBSD'' centric. > > > > PS: Am I get over commercial on the mailling lists? I have been a > > little worried about some of my postings about what it is that I > > do and grabbing every person I see looking to buy hardware. > > I suggest we add you to the "commercial" page on the web, and put > you in the FAQ too "as a good place to see the current status of > supported HW". Gee, who do I send my advertising budget to so I can get a real web page created :-)!! In all seriousnous though, it is becoming extremly difficult for me to seperate my commercial interest in FreeBSD from my personal interest. I am worried about going over board on the mailling lists and getting my butt chewed out for doing so. I would like to here from any of you if you think I have over stepped or am getting close to over stepping the correct usage of our mailling lists for my commercial gains (realize almost all of my commercial gains are used to support my FreeBSD hacking other than those that go to keeping the roof over my head and food next to my terminal). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 12:05:09 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA14901 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:05:09 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA14893 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:05:06 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA04236; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:04:50 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199504181904.MAA04236@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@violet.berkeley.edu, core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504181850.LAA13389@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Apr 18, 95 11:50:09 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 975 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > lists and getting my butt chewed out for doing so. I would like to > here from any of you if you think I have over stepped or am getting > close to over stepping the correct usage of our mailling lists for > my commercial gains (realize almost all of my commercial gains are > used to support my FreeBSD hacking other than those that go to keeping > the roof over my head and food next to my terminal). Rod, I think you have been very professional in this, and I don't even think you have come close to the edge. It may not be evident to you guys over here in the USA, but when in Denmark I read a lot more of a "Byte" than I do here. Most ad's will contain facts to the eager reader. As long as you keep your emails informative to you non-customers, you will find no problems with me. -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 12:33:12 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA15452 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:33:12 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA15445 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:33:07 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA13592; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:30:08 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199504181930.MAA13592@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@violet.berkeley.edu, core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504181836.OAA16628@grendel.csc.smith.edu> from "John Fieber" at Apr 18, 95 02:36:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1330 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Rodney W. Grimes writes: > > I would clone his pages and make them ``Accurate Automation'' pages, > > but that would be serious copyright infringement :-(. If my business > > contiunues to grow at it's current rate it will be feasible for me to > > increase my internet bandwidth and start a www server here that would > > be ``FreeBSD'' centric. > > By all means put something together on freefall. Just create > $HOME/public_html and I'll make a link to it in the small, but > growing commercial section of the main web pages. > The really sad thing is that I am not versed in html, I know troff, can that be easily converted to html if I where to write a page or two in troff? This may seem silly (but until last week I didn't even have Mosaic) can you point me (via URL) to the ``small, but growing commercial section of the main web pages''? > After all, "What should I buy?" *is* one of the more frequently > asked questions. Of all sections in the FAQ, the hardware > section gets the most hits in the web server by far. Maybe I should go read it, update it with what I tell people, and feed this back to you. After all ``Rod knows hardware'' :-) :-). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 12:51:19 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA15799 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:51:19 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA15793 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:51:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA19880; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 15:52:06 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504181952.PAA19880@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 15:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Cc: core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504181930.MAA13592@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Apr 18, 95 12:30:08 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 918 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes writes: > The really sad thing is that I am not versed in html, I know troff, > can that be easily converted to html if I where to write a page or > two in troff? LaTeX would be easier (for me to convert) if you know that. > This may seem silly (but until last week I didn't even have Mosaic) > can you point me (via URL) to the ``small, but growing commercial section > of the main web pages''? That would be on the http://www.freebsd.org/Where page, somewhere about the middle. It currently says "Commercial Software", but that could certainly change. If we get a couple more entries, I'll split it off as a separate commercial page. BTW (and even somewhat related), what is the latest scoop on (1) SimCity and (2) SCO compatibility? -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 12:59:10 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA16136 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:59:10 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA16128 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:59:07 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA04719; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:59:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:59:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199504181959.MAA04719@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: phk@ref.tfs.com CC: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, jkh@violet.berkeley.edu, core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199504181904.MAA04236@ref.tfs.com> (message from Poul-Henning Kamp on Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:04:50 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami | =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=) Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk * Rod, I think you have been very professional in this, and I don't even * think you have come close to the edge. Ditto! Satoshi (well I'm Rod's customer now, so maybe I'm biased :) From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 13:26:34 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA17205 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:26:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA17197 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:26:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: jkh@violet.berkeley.edu (Jordan K. Hubbard), core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Apr 95 10:58:35 PDT." <199504181758.KAA12873@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:26:25 -0700 Message-ID: <17196.798236785@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I would clone his pages and make them ``Accurate Automation'' pages, > but that would be serious copyright infringement :-(. If my business > contiunues to grow at it's current rate it will be feasible for me to > increase my internet bandwidth and start a www server here that would > be ``FreeBSD'' centric. That would be cool! > PS: Am I get over commercial on the mailling lists? I have been a > little worried about some of my postings about what it is that I > do and grabbing every person I see looking to buy hardware. I don't think so... It's clearly a service that many users want and need, and if pre-installed and pre-tested freebsd boxes are going into people's hands, saving them the pain of a half-baked or incompatable version of FreeBSD (and our reputation), then I say the more the better! Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 13:28:00 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA17256 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:28:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA17247 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:27:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes), jkh@violet.berkeley.edu, core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Apr 95 11:07:35 PDT." <199504181807.LAA04024@ref.tfs.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:27:47 -0700 Message-ID: <17246.798236867@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I suggest we add you to the "commercial" page on the web, and put > you in the FAQ too "as a good place to see the current status of > supported HW". Even before he has a web site, we should add a pointer to AAC as a place to get preconfigured custom FreeBSD machines! Rod, could you send some copy to the doc folks? Make sure and run it through ispell first.. :-) :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 13:37:52 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA17573 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:37:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA17565 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:37:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp), jkh@violet.berkeley.edu, core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Apr 95 11:50:09 PDT." <199504181850.LAA13389@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:37:43 -0700 Message-ID: <17564.798237463@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > In all seriousnous though, it is becoming extremly difficult for me > to seperate my commercial interest in FreeBSD from my personal > interest. I am worried about going over board on the mailling > lists and getting my butt chewed out for doing so. I would like to > here from any of you if you think I have over stepped or am getting Ok, here's my "take" on how this could be best managed: Do it as a hybrid service/business. Set about compiling up all those very useful "I recommend the ASUS 4PGNLNGX11-QR4 with the Burst-wobble triolic RAM and most definitely NOT the pre-2.6 rev Humper chipset since it has an annoying tendency to run ExtendedHyperBucky IDE drives in reverse" comments that you make on the mailing lists and call it "Rod's hardware page - all your FreeBSD hardware questions answered here!" The page would be done with various useful hot links pointing to the different hardware categories or types of questions, and it's only fair that the last entry can be one on how AAC will save you the trouble of reading all this stuff if all you want is a canned configuration. In fact, each of your "sample" configurations could coincidently {heh heh} have a hot link pointing to your price for that system! :-) Seriously. Just as long as you're providing a useful service *independant* of the commercial aspect, nobody will say "boo" about it. Consider wcarchive.cdrom.com - it's a walking CDROM advertisement, but do people complain? Heck no! They send us love notes about what terrific people we are for maintaining the server as a public service. Provide a public service while shamelessly flogging your products and you'll have a similar degree of success. I'm sure the various HTML wizards would be happy to comment on your first drafts.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 13:44:51 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA17895 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:44:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA17883 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:44:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes), core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Apr 95 15:52:06 EDT." <199504181952.PAA19880@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:44:44 -0700 Message-ID: <17882.798237884@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I'll split it off as a separate commercial page. BTW (and even > somewhat related), what is the latest scoop on (1) SimCity and > (2) SCO compatibility? I'll have a SimCity announcement going out shortly - I just got the official words from DUX, which I'll play with a little and then post. SCO compat is still half-baked but in Soren's hands.. I assume Soren is back in Denmark by now and simply struggling with an inhuman amount of backed-up mail! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 14:16:30 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA19023 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 14:16:30 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA19014 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 14:16:24 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA28783; Tue, 18 Apr 95 21:15:39 GMT Received: from junco.fsl.noaa.gov by yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov (1.37.109.16/SMI-4.1 (1.37.109.16)) id AA018379705; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 21:15:06 GMT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 21:15:06 GMT From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <199504182115.AA018379705@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.37.109.16/SMI-4.1 (1.37.109.16)) id AA003289746; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 15:15:46 -0600 To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Cc: phk@ref.tfs.com, jkh@violet.berkeley.edu, core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504181850.LAA13389@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> (rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com) Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Rodney" == Rodney W Grimes writes: Rodney> I am worried about going over board on the mailling lists Rodney> and getting my butt chewed out for doing so. I would like Rodney> to here from any of you if you think I have over stepped Oh, hardly. I value every hardware-related message you post. I got into FreeBSD since I wanted a cheap BSD UNIX in the home. Yet I knew didley over squat about PC hardware. I'm taking a lot of advice from your posts, Vixie's page, and various other sources for our next FreeBSD system. So, keep 'em coming. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA If your roommate goes away for a weekend, change the locks. -- One of 120 ways to annoy your roommate. From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 18 16:43:05 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27597 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 16:43:05 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA27588 ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 16:42:47 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA15516 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 18:34:48 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA26704; 18 Apr 95 17:45:10 CDT (Tue) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA26699; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 17:45:09 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199504182245.RAA26699@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 17:45:08 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jfieber@cs.smith.edu, jkh@violet.berkeley.edu, core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504181930.MAA13592@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Apr 18, 95 12:30:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 415 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > The really sad thing is that I am not versed in html, I know troff, > can that be easily converted to html if I where to write a page or > two in troff? g/^.P/s/.*/

g/^.SH/.+1s/.*/

&<\/H1>/ g/^.SH/d g/^.NH *1/.+1s/.*/

&<\/H2>/ g/^.NH *2/.+1s/.*/

&<\/H3>/ g/^.NH *3/.+1s/.*/

&<\/H4>/ g/^.NH *4/.+1s/.*/

&<\/H5>/ g/^.NH/d 1,$s/\\fI\([^\\]\)\\fR/\1<\/i>/ 1,$s/\\fB\([^\\]\)\\fR/\1<\/b>/ ... From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 20 00:12:42 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA20726 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 00:12:42 -0700 Received: from dkuug.dk (dkuug.dk [193.88.44.89]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA20718 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 00:12:37 -0700 From: uucp@kmd-ac.dk Received: from kmd-ac.dk by dkuug.dk with UUCP id AA02729 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for freebsd.org!doc); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:12:22 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:12:22 +0200 Message-Id: <199504200712.AA02729@dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: this could sort of be of interest to us, too.. Apparently-To: doc@freebsd.org X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From sos Thu Apr 20 09:14:52 +0200 1995 remote from freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.org by kmd-ac.dk; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:09 GMT Received: (sos@localhost) by baltazar (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA01689; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:14:54 +0200 From: So/ren Schmidt Message-Id: <199504200714.JAA01689@baltazar> To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:14:52 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jfieber@cs.smith.edu, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, core@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Reply-To: sos@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <17882.798237884@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 18, 95 01:44:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 947 In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who wrote: > > > I'll split it off as a separate commercial page. BTW (and even > > somewhat related), what is the latest scoop on (1) SimCity and > > (2) SCO compatibility? > > I'll have a SimCity announcement going out shortly - I just got the > official words from DUX, which I'll play with a little and then post. > SCO compat is still half-baked but in Soren's hands.. I assume Soren > is back in Denmark by now and simply struggling with an inhuman amount > of backed-up mail! :-) You guessed it !! I'm fighting some 5000+ emails, jetlag and whatnot!! What I can say though is that I'm eager to get iBCS2 compat up to snuff, but main prio at the time is the ata.c driver (atapi EIDE CDROM's) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@kmd-ac.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time .. From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 22 20:53:01 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA12598 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 20:53:01 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA12592 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 20:53:00 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id UAA25572 for doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 20:52:59 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199504230352.UAA25572@ref.tfs.com> Subject: wd0, an enlightning tale... (fwd) To: doc@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 20:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2677 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi gang, See if you can fit this in the "weird probelms" category somewhere... > This is a story from which wisdom may be gained. > > I have a Gateway-2000 Handbook 486. I have had it for a year actually, > and no problems. All the power-save/resume features worked like a charm. > I got these "extra interrupt" messages when the disk went to sleep, but > I could live with those, after all, it worked. > > But the 130Mb disk was a bit confined for my taste, so I finally bought > a 720Mb disk for it. > > Now, I knew from other users of this machine, and from my own BIOS > disassembly that it didn't like big disks, but I figured "Hey, FreeBSD > can cope with a stupid bios" and went ahead. The drive says 1400/16/63, > but the bios says 1023/15/63, but I don't care, because FreeBSD listens > to the drive... > > Well there's this snag: > > When the BIOS puts the disk to sleep I get the "extra interrupt", fine, > but when I try to access the disk next time, the BIOS intercepts the > outb(), starts the disk and initializes the geometry before my outb() > goes ahead. That means that the first read after the disk comes alive > is botched, because it is being read with a different geometry. > > Can you spell "panic" ? > > Now, time for the ATA-spec. Hmmm, sleep mode... ah! here: > > "For devices that implement the Power Management features, the > contents of the Status register and all other Command Block > registers are not valid while a device is in the Sleep mode." > > So how can you tell if a disk is sleeping ? > > Answer: You can't ! > > So presently I have a couple of hacks working: > > "If the disk is busy when entering "wdcommand" then reinitialize > it, because it is probably comming out of sleep mode with the > wrong geometry." > > and > > "If we get an extra interrupt and the status reg is 0x7f, the disk > probably was put to sleep behind our back" > > > Now, if you enable other modes on your drive you need something similar, > because the drive is likely to loose those settings (caches, multi-block > &c &c) when it is sleeping, and we have presently no reliable way to > tell that the drive has slept :-( > > foo... > > Anybody else seen problems like this ? > > I'll probably make a gross #ifdef'ed hack later today... > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. > 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' > => 'no rude people are relevant' > -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant'