From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 10 02:27:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA06088 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 02:27:01 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA06078 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 02:26:59 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 05:26:57 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: compiling gnu finger Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Has anyone out there successfully compiled gnu finger 1.37 under FreeBSD? If anyone did, can you tell me what did you need to do to get it to compile? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, -Vince- vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UC Berkeley AstroPhysics - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! Chabot Observatory & Science Center From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 10 12:28:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA17401 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 12:28:38 -0700 Received: from mramirez.sy.yale.edu (mramirez.sy.yale.edu [130.132.57.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA17395 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 12:28:34 -0700 Received: (from mrami@localhost) by mramirez.sy.yale.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA13089; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 15:28:44 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 15:28:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Ramirez Reply-To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Virtual 8086 mode Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Would someone be available to mentor me on adding VM86 code to the kernel (all I have is 2.0.5R, unfortunately)? I've been trying it myself, and I think I'm about halfway done, but I'm getting stuck too often to be productive. :) Thanks, Marc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 10 14:34:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA23368 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 14:34:11 -0700 Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA23359 ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 14:34:10 -0700 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199509102134.OAA23359@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Virtual 8086 mode To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 14:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Marc Ramirez" at Sep 10, 95 03:28:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 848 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Would someone be available to mentor me on adding VM86 code to the kernel > (all I have is 2.0.5R, unfortunately)? I've been trying it myself, and I > think I'm about halfway done, but I'm getting stuck too often to be > productive. :) > > Thanks, > Marc. > Marc, I've got the basic VM86 mode in current on my machine as of about a week ago. I can go into VM86 mode and then I'll sig ou on USR1. The VM system is driving me crazy right now:) I need to be able to map 2 megs at 0x0. Trying to follow the present VM system is giving me headaches...:( Gary -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | FreeBSD support and service gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG | mail info@gbdata.com for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp.FreeBSD.ORG in ~pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/FAQ/Text/FreeBSD.FAQ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 10 16:40:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA27509 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 16:40:51 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA27503 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 16:40:50 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA17495 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 16:34:08 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199509102334.QAA17495@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Daemon misused again? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 16:34:07 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 191 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk http://liber.stanford.edu/linuxppc/PPCHomePage.html Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 10 16:46:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA27769 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 16:46:22 -0700 Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (mrcpu@schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA27760 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 16:46:21 -0700 Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA07696; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 16:46:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 16:46:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Anybody seen any MP3 utilities or decoder/converters for FreeBSD? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I could use a MP3 -> just about anything decoder bigtime. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 10 21:03:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA06200 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:03:35 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA06193 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:03:30 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA00287 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:03:27 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199509110403.AAA00287@Glock.COM> Subject: building a boot floppy To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:03:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1191 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to build a boot/root pair of floppies for installing freebsd 2.0.5 from, but with the addition of the wcd driver in the kernel. I ran into some problems using an MFS filesystem size of 1150 (what it originally was), so I upped it to the least amount it could possible require, 1278 (why the mfs grew, I don't know, I'd think that just the kernel would grow, no?). So I obviously ended up using a 1.44M floppy to put the image on. Anyhow, I set this all up and built a boot.flp with the appropriate drivers in the kernel. I then booted this floppy and what happened was it loaded, started uncompressing the kernel, and output "Malloc wrapped" twice, followed by a munging of the first character of the second "Malloc wrapped," and then a reboot. Does anyone have any ideas how to fix this? I'd really like to get this working this week so that some people around here with ATAPI cdrom drives can install off their cdroms that they bought from the CS department. Thanks in advance! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM | Network Administration and Software Development http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ | Consulting: BizNet Technologies -> mmead@bnt.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 10 22:50:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA09289 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 22:50:41 -0700 Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA09275 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 22:50:37 -0700 Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id OAA06548; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:50:25 +0900 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:50:25 +0900 Message-Id: <199509110550.OAA06548@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Are DELAY()'s of keyboard driver insufficient?? From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I remember that somebody reported on this mailing list or comp.unix.freebsd.misc about the starnge behavior of the keyboard. The problem is that the keyboard hangs up when we're using X on some machines. In fact, I have the same problem on my desktop machine (P5-133, 16M, No-brand 84 Keyboard, S3-964) and another machine on computing center of our University (P5-90, 48M, No-brand 101 Keyboard, S3-928). When I'm using XFree86 and AccelX on this machine, the keyboard suddenly hangs up. The keyboard comes back when I kill the X server by destroying the login window with the mouse. This problem happens when I using modifier keys frequently, especially on using emacs. Someone followed to the article, and wrote that this problem may be the misconfiguration of the window manager, but I'm using the same ".twmrc" and ".fvwmrc" on other FreeBSD machines (DX4-75, 20M, Laptop, C&T65535 and P5-90, 32M, No-brand 84 Keyboard, Mach64) and it works fine. Moreover, this problem happens both on XFree86 and AccelX. So, this problem is not the miscofiguration of window manager and/or the bugs of the X servers. On Japanese newsgroup about FreeBSD (fj.os.bsd.freebsd), I read that this problem can be the timing problems of the keyboard driver. So, I increased the "DELAY()"'s of syscons.c ten times, then this problem never happens (four times is insufficient on my machine). I want the following patch to be applied ASAP on the -current and the -stable. P.S. I also think that the same problem should happen on psm drivers. -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan --- syscons.c.orig Tue May 30 17:03:13 1995 +++ syscons.c Thu Sep 7 06:12:34 1995 @@ -156,7 +156,7 @@ /* flush any noise in the buffer */ while (inb(KB_STAT) & KB_BUF_FULL) { - DELAY(10); + DELAY(100); (void) inb(KB_DATA); } @@ -165,7 +165,7 @@ kbd_wait(); outb(KB_DATA, KB_RESET); for (i=0; i<100000; i++) { - DELAY(10); + DELAY(100); val = inb(KB_DATA); if (val == KB_ACK || val == KB_ECHO) goto gotres; @@ -178,9 +178,9 @@ printf("scprobe: keyboard won't accept RESET command\n"); else { gotack: - DELAY(10); - while ((inb(KB_STAT) & KB_BUF_FULL) == 0) DELAY(10); - DELAY(10); + DELAY(100); + while ((inb(KB_STAT) & KB_BUF_FULL) == 0) DELAY(100); + DELAY(100); val = inb(KB_DATA); if (val == KB_ACK) goto gotack; @@ -2625,7 +2625,7 @@ while (i--) { if (inb(KB_STAT) & KB_BUF_FULL) { int val; - DELAY(10); + DELAY(100); val = inb(KB_DATA); if (val == KB_ACK) return; From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Sep 10 23:58:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA11246 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 23:58:42 -0700 Received: (from sos@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA11236 ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 23:58:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199509110658.XAA11236@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Are DELAY()'s of keyboard driver insufficient?? To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 23:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509110550.OAA06548@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> from "HOSOKAWA Tatsumi" at Sep 11, 95 02:50:25 pm From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-to: sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1585 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to HOSOKAWA Tatsumi who wrote: > > Hi! > > I remember that somebody reported on this mailing list or > comp.unix.freebsd.misc about the starnge behavior of the keyboard. > The problem is that the keyboard hangs up when we're using X on some > machines. > > In fact, I have the same problem on my desktop machine (P5-133, 16M, > No-brand 84 Keyboard, S3-964) and another machine on computing center > of our University (P5-90, 48M, No-brand 101 Keyboard, S3-928). When > I'm using XFree86 and AccelX on this machine, the keyboard suddenly > hangs up. The keyboard comes back when I kill the X server by > destroying the login window with the mouse. This problem happens when > I using modifier keys frequently, especially on using emacs. > > Someone followed to the article, and wrote that this problem may be > the misconfiguration of the window manager, but I'm using the same > ".twmrc" and ".fvwmrc" on other FreeBSD machines (DX4-75, 20M, Laptop, > C&T65535 and P5-90, 32M, No-brand 84 Keyboard, Mach64) and it works > fine. Moreover, this problem happens both on XFree86 and AccelX. So, > this problem is not the miscofiguration of window manager and/or the > bugs of the X servers. Hmm, it almost sounds as if our DELAY() function is not stable on fast hardware ?? Bruce ?? Anyway I have no problem with raising the delays, I just would like to know why ?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 00:58:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA12812 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:58:54 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA12795 ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:58:17 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA01864; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:57:23 +1000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:57:23 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199509110757.RAA01864@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp, sos@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Are DELAY()'s of keyboard driver insufficient?? Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hmm, it almost sounds as if our DELAY() function is not stable on >fast hardware ?? DELAY(n) only delays for (n - 20) us on infinitely fast hardware. >Anyway I have no problem with raising the delays, I just would like >to know why ?? I have problems with them. 1) They shouldn't be used on multi-tasking systems except for initialization. kbd_cmd() previously could busy-wait for up to 5 seconds. Increasing the delays by a factor of 10 without adjusting the retry counts would allow it to wait up to 50 seconds (less on infinitely fast hardware :-). Commands should be given by using timeouts if necessary to wait for previous commands to finish and the command results should be read asynchronously like ordinary keystrokes. Only pccngetc() should poll. 2) Some delays are missing or in the wrong place. I think the spec is a 7 us delay between reading the status register and reading the data register. This is clearly implemented in pcvt and in the syscons reset code, but in syscons there is no delay for reading ordinary keystrokes in scgetc(). The first time after entering the interrupt handler there is less likely to be a problem because it takes several us to enter the interrupt handler. Looping may cause problems. The problem is also reduced by the loop beginning with a bogus (?) call to kbd_wait(). kbd_wait() is related to doing output and seems to be being used only for its side effects here. I don't know if a similar delay is required for output. There isn't one, because kbd_wait() returns immediately after reading a ready status and kbd_cmd() doesn't delay any more before doing the output. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 01:22:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA14398 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 01:22:48 -0700 Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA14392 ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 01:22:43 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA01146; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 01:22:39 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199509110822.BAA01146@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/sys conf.h To: sos@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 01:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199509110745.AAA12527@freefall.freebsd.org> from "sos@FreeBSD.org" at Sep 11, 95 00:45:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2518 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [I have moved this thread to -hackers, it is no longer a commit related thread. NOTE: I am not on hackers at this time, so don't kill this note or drop me from an cc: replies :-)] > > > nate: > > > Laptops are becoming more and more common, and IBM still is the #1 > > > supplier, though unfortunately still uses the brain-dead keyboard > > > controller which doesn't work with sycons. > > > > rgrimes: > > I would not call the PS/2 keyboard controller, aka the type 2 keyboard > > controller. IBM fixed several bugs in this design for the MCA class > > machines, the detection (Gilluwe page 274 is simple) and differences > > (same, page 273) to work these controllers is _trivial_, Terry Lambert > > has said it a dozen times, and now I am going to say it, syscons is > > plain broken if it does not detect and deal with this trivial delta. > > > > It is all of 18 lines of assembler :-). I'll fax the two pages to > > any one in the world who _PROMISES_ to fix the code in syscons to > > deal with this. > > Hmm, does the 18 lines of assembler include the translation nessesary > for X to work also ?? If so fax me the pages ! No, the 18 lines of assembler tell you if you have a Type 1 or Type 2 controller. Only the type 1 controller allows you to wiggle the command byte translate bit to a state of 1 (bit 0x40). Probably the big snag that is hanging syscons is (comments my rgrimes added within the []'s) ``Type 1 controller (described below [in the book, not here]) must wait at least 7 microseconds after bit 0 [of port 0x64] transitions from 0 to 1, before reading the data from port 0x60. Code to do this is shown in the Keyboard_read subroutine. I suggest since you are the syscons maintainer that you go buy the Gilluwe book as all of chapter 8 is applicable to you (``The Keyboard system''). It is 58 pages of _VERY_ good info including your translation stuff I think as it shows all the tables. > > Fax: +45 9815 7586 Some how I don't think I am going to get a 14.4 fax connection :-), going out as soon as I can get to a flat bed photo copier, it is very hard to feed a 2" book through the fax machine :-). > please write Att: Soren Schmidt on it.. Okay! Probably some time tonight, I'll be over at the copy center today and can photo copy the pages. You should get the book, ISBN 0-201-62277-7, it was $45.00 for my copy. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 01:26:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA14495 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 01:26:47 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA14488 for hackers; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 01:26:45 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 01:26:45 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199509110826.BAA14488@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hackers Subject: OK who broke the kernel..? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk suddenly the system doesn't even get as far as the copyright message during boot.... Bruce? julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 01:29:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA14595 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 01:29:46 -0700 Received: (from sos@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA14586 ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 01:29:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199509110829.BAA14586@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/sys conf.h To: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 01:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199509110822.BAA01146@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Sep 11, 95 01:22:38 am From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-to: sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2136 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Rodney W. Grimes who wrote: > > > It is all of 18 lines of assembler :-). I'll fax the two pages to > > > any one in the world who _PROMISES_ to fix the code in syscons to > > > deal with this. > > > > Hmm, does the 18 lines of assembler include the translation nessesary > > for X to work also ?? If so fax me the pages ! > > No, the 18 lines of assembler tell you if you have a Type 1 or Type 2 > controller. Only the type 1 controller allows you to wiggle the > command byte translate bit to a state of 1 (bit 0x40). Probably the > big snag that is hanging syscons is (comments my rgrimes added within > the []'s) ``Type 1 controller (described below [in the book, not here]) > must wait at least 7 microseconds after bit 0 [of port 0x64] transitions > from 0 to 1, before reading the data from port 0x60. Code to do this is shown > in the Keyboard_read subroutine. > > I suggest since you are the syscons maintainer that you go buy the Gilluwe > book as all of chapter 8 is applicable to you (``The Keyboard system''). > It is 58 pages of _VERY_ good info including your translation stuff I > think as it shows all the tables. > > > > > Fax: +45 9815 7586 > > Some how I don't think I am going to get a 14.4 fax connection :-), going > out as soon as I can get to a flat bed photo copier, it is very hard to > feed a 2" book through the fax machine :-). > > > please write Att: Soren Schmidt on it.. > > Okay! Probably some time tonight, I'll be over at the copy center today > and can photo copy the pages. You should get the book, ISBN 0-201-62277-7, > it was $45.00 for my copy. Ok I'll see what the local book store has to say on that (given previously attempts it might be difficult to get it before 3.0 hits the streets :( ) > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 01:47:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA16075 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 01:47:19 -0700 Received: from demerzel.sol.net (demerzel.sol.net [204.95.172.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA16064 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 01:47:17 -0700 Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by demerzel.sol.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA00624 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 03:47:39 -0500 Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id DAA24705; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 03:47:37 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199509110847.DAA24705@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Salute to a Box To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 3:47:35 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1689 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It always saddens me to decommission a machine. mycogen.sol.net has been answering phone lines here at Solaria since December 26, 1993, and ran the very first version of FreeBSD. An older 386DX/16 with 4MB of RAM and dual MFM disks, it has admirably and reliably fulfilled its duties, answering the phones, and later handling incoming telnet sessions as well. It was upgraded to 1.1.GAMMA on April 18, 1994, and continued to run that version of FreeBSD until it was decommissioned this evening, September 10, 1995. During that time, it answered uncounted thousands of calls, and never once crashed in a state that required any intervention on my part... and the occasional crash and automatic reboot was a rarity. That first box got FreeBSD's "foot in the door" at Solaria, which had been a Sun shop up to that point. Now, I am mostly a FreeBSD shop, with one lone Sun still chugging away, and that is slated for decommissioning in the near future, to be replaced by a nice high end FreeBSD system. It is a sad day, retiring that last 1.* based system. Fortunately, the 2.* based system which will replace it will probably be at least as reliable. (The machine is being retired because it uses DIP memory, has no kernel sources around any more, and I needed to add more ports.) All I can say is, THANKS EVERYONE! It's a great operating system and the future is looking good! Everyone's efforts in producing this excellent operating system is extremely appreciated. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 07:43:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA23383 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 07:43:34 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA23375 ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 07:43:28 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA16473; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:39:11 +1000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:39:11 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199509111439.AAA16473@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, julian@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: OK who broke the kernel..? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >suddenly the system doesn't even get as far as the copyright message >during boot.... Perhaps devfs depends on the cdevsw being initialized early. Now it isn't initialized for syscons/pcvt until after one of them is attached. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 09:58:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA26483 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:58:49 -0700 Received: from iaehv.IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [192.87.208.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA26477 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:58:39 -0700 Received: from oasis.IAEhv.nl by iaehv.IAEhv.nl (8.6.12/1.63) id SAA21377; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:58:30 +0200 X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. Received: by oasis (8.6.12/1.63) id SAA01987; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:55:35 +0200 From: volf@oasis.IAEhv.nl (Frank Volf) Message-Id: <199509111655.SAA01987@oasis> Subject: Expiring of static routes To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:55:34 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1668 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, We have a network consisting of FreeBSD 2.0 and 2.0.5 machines connected to the world by a FreeBSD 2.0 gateway. All machines have a default route pointing to this gateway; this route is added in the /etc startup files by the "route add default" command. The gateway does (did :-) not announce the default route. Yesterday, the gateway went down for about 15 minutes. When it was booted again, we found to our surprise that all the FreeBSD machines (except for this gateway) had lost the default static route (and hence could not communicate with other systems). We can't think of any other reason for this behaviour than that the default route must have been marked for deletion and eventually has been removed; just like other routes. So, my questions are: 1) is it true that routed expires static routes just like other routes? 2) if so: how to prevent this? if not: has anyone another explanation for this behaviour? Best regards, Frank ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank Volf - Internet Access Eindhoven - Digitale Stad Eindhoven ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- || volf@oasis.IAEhv.nl - use for personal mail || || volf@IAEhv.nl - use for Internet Access Eindhoven related mail || || volf@dse.dse.nl - use for Digital City of Eindhoven related mail || ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- IAE Public Access Unix System - Dial +31.40.439436 and login as new. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 11:03:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA27489 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:03:19 -0700 Received: from pht.com (exodus.pht.com [198.60.59.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA27483 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:03:18 -0700 Received: by pht.com id AA19947 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freefall.freebsd.org); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:16:39 -0600 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:16:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Midgley To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Device not configured: hardware or sw? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk booting up today (or trying to), our system claims: Can't open /dev/rsd6g: Device not configured the drive is found on startup and the drive was found just before rebooting, so I suspect (hope!) it's a software thing. I had recompiled our kernel with options "MAX_CHILD=128" just before the reboot but I've tried going back to the old kernel without success. sorry this isn't a relevant hacker-message this time, but you guys have helped me out so much with our big freebsd site in the past... I consider you my pals :) brad@pht.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 11:19:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA27930 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:19:31 -0700 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA27918 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:19:27 -0700 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id TAA00949; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:44:06 +0200 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199509111744.TAA00949@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: default route expiration??? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:44:05 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 533 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk We have a gateway machine doing rip on the local ethernet. On that network we have several FreeBSD machines, both 2.0R and 2.05R. When the gtw had to be rebooted, we noticed that all default routes on the freebsd machines vanished.....Since they were added statically this hould not happen. Can someone eplain this? The gtw machines was running gated and *not* announcing a default route (this was a bug in the gated version we were running). The FreeBSD machines were running routed and had their defaults added statically. -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 11:48:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA28412 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:48:11 -0700 Received: from galactica.galactica.it (galactica.galactica.it [192.106.152.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA28406 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:47:57 -0700 From: davide@galactica.it Received: from galactica.it (uucp@localhost) by galactica.galactica.it (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id UAA01413 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:20:28 +0200 Received: by galactica.it (UUPM-1.52) id D9614Di; Mon, Sep 11, 1995 20:58:19 EDT Message-Id: <9509112058.D9614Di@galactica.it> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.52 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Multiple IP address on Ethernet Organization: GALACTICA +39-2-29006058 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 20:58:18 EST Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Is it possible to assign two or more IP addresses on one ethernet board ? Thanks for reply Ciao Davide From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 12:11:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA28647 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:11:47 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA28641 ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:11:46 -0700 Received: from gemini ([13.231.132.20]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14401(1)>; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:10:54 PDT Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00897; Mon, 11 Sep 95 15:10:31 EDT Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11553; Mon, 11 Sep 95 15:10:27 EDT Message-Id: <9509111910.AA11553@gnu.mc.xerox.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: Andreas Klemm Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: writing the bootmanager code should be on top of boot floppy menue In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 09 Sep 1995 09:00:46 PDT." <199509091600.SAA09492@knobel.gun.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:10:25 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have the same problem... When I was just using dos/freebsd/linux I had a menu in my config.sys... It worked good.. Now I'm using NT and Win95... It seems NT has its own boot strategy, and to boot freebsd I have to boot "old dos", the default MS/dos boot brings up win95... How can I get everything to coperate at once... marty leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Member of the League for Programming Freedom From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 12:22:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA28837 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:22:28 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA28829 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:22:26 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA05163 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:21:37 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA00347 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:21:37 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA24921 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:15:56 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509111615.SAA24921@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/sys conf.h To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:15:55 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199509111322.GAA20931@freefall.freebsd.org> from "sos@FreeBSD.org" at Sep 11, 95 06:22:36 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1037 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As sos@FreeBSD.org wrote: > > If I can get somebody to take pcvt's vt220 emulation at make it into > a LKM following certain rules, we will have a consoledriver that is > configurable any way you want... It's not only the emulation. pcvt has some more (though less known) features. Think about 132-column mode or its totally different (and not SCOish) font interface. I cannot actually use syscons in its current form on my notebook since it garbles the screen -- it damages the 640x480 raster. (Ok, pcvt still has some uglyness in this area, too, but the idea to not feature it after SCO gives it more freedom of designing the API than being stuck with a late-70's DOSish way as SCO did.) However, since pcvt has an urgent need of a rewritten keyboard driver, perhaps we should actually start to use a common keyboard layer (and internal API for this)? This should already help alot. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 12:31:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA29342 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:31:24 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA29336 ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:31:22 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA25562 ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:30:27 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA05843; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:28:05 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA00380; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:28:05 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA25369; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:24:37 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509111924.VAA25369@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/sys conf.h To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:24:36 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: wollman@freebsd.org Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <9509111702.AA28665@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett A. Wollman" at Sep 11, 95 01:02:12 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 579 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Garrett A. Wollman wrote: [Great Unified Console Driver] > > ...and who is gonna spend that much time on it? > > I have three machines (one router, one 2.0.5 development machine, and > one 2.2 development machine) which don't run X and aren't going to any > time soon. Yup, you're not alone -- but are you that annoyed from both of the existing console drivers that you'd like to spend as many hours to revamp them from scratch? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 12:37:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA29496 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:37:50 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAB29490 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:37:49 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA29038; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 15:37:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 15:37:46 -0400 From: "Garrett A. Wollman" Message-Id: <9509111937.AA29038@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) To: j@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/sys conf.h In-Reply-To: <199509111924.VAA25369@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <9509111702.AA28665@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> <199509111924.VAA25369@uriah.heep.sax.de> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk < said: > Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Please don't do this; it causes a number of mail programs to do the wrong thing when attempting to reply directly to you and screws up my auto-save-outgoing-messages code. > Yup, you're not alone -- but are you that annoyed from both of the > existing console drivers that you'd like to spend as many hours to > revamp them from scratch? I don't see anything wrong with syscons on any of my machines, and I've never used pcvt. So long as I can install a proper keymap, it really doesn't matter much to me. Speaking as a software architect, however, the structure of the console drivers is a mess and I would like to see it fixed if this can be done without major difficulty or inefficiency. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 12:40:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA29571 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:40:01 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA29557 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:39:59 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA03775 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:39:54 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199509111939.MAA03775@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/sys conf.h To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:39:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199509111615.SAA24921@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Sep 11, 95 06:15:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 384 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > However, since pcvt has an urgent need of a rewritten keyboard driver, > perhaps we should actually start to use a common keyboard layer (and > internal API for this)? This should already help alot. I like this idea > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 12:44:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA29654 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:44:58 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA29640 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:44:42 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA06589; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:44:25 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA00565; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:44:25 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA25548; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:38:59 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509111938.VAA25548@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Daemon misused again? To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:38:56 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199509102334.QAA17495@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Sep 10, 95 04:34:07 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 299 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > > http://liber.stanford.edu/linuxppc/PPCHomePage.html Does Kirk's copyright exclusively allow the usage for BSD purposes only? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 13:05:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA00349 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:05:22 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA00343 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:05:15 -0700 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA25727 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:04:53 -0700 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id WAA01382; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 22:02:39 +0200 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199509112002.WAA01382@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: Daemon misused again? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 22:02:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509111938.VAA25548@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Sep 11, 95 09:38:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 212 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > > As Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > http://liber.stanford.edu/linuxppc/PPCHomePage.html > > Does Kirk's copyright exclusively allow the usage for BSD purposes > only? > I hope so ;-) -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 13:07:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA00440 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:07:44 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA00408 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:06:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA06455 ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:13:30 +0100 X-Message: This is a dial-up site. Quick responses to e-mails should not be relied upon. Thanks! To: Warner Losh cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Non-Intel Hardware and FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 08 Sep 1995 00:18:15 MDT." <199509080618.AAA09500@rover.village.org> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:13:29 +0100 Message-ID: <6453.810846809@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199509080618.AAA09500@rover.village.org>, Warner Losh writes: >Question: > Is it possible, or is there work in progress, to change the >structure of the kernel and other sources to allow for multiple >hardware platforms in the FreeBSD project? . FreeBSD-platforms exists for this VERY reason! Speaking as someone who was nearly driven to sanity (note - no typo there :-) ) by trying to port FreeBSD pre-2.0-RELEASE to a popular UK box, work is underway / has been done. I have made changes to the structure of various makefiles to push them back into multi-platform compatability, and also questioned the logic behind the old bounce buffer ifdefs in the kernel which were ``backwards'' If you're looking for my work soon - sorry :-( We got to the point of a NEARLY functional kernel (basically everything short of disk i/o drivers), but several assumptions made early on came back to haunt us. I hate to say this, but I'm now too involved in other stuff (mostly FreeBSD related) to dedicate much time to the port, and the other person that was helping me is overloaded at work :-( >I know that NetBSD does this, but at least in the 2.0.5 sources I have >I don't see anything like like non-i386 support present. Yet I've >read, in other forums, that FreeBSD is being ported to other OSes. >Did I miss something, or did I read something out of context about >NetBSD and/or Linux? Nope. And do you really mean ``to other OSes''? :-) >You see, I have this odd-ball ARCBIOS MIPS box that I'd love to have a >non Microsoft OS for... Umm. Good luck :-) Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 14:00:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA05111 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:00:46 -0700 Received: from healer.com (healer-gw.Empire.Net [205.164.80.204]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA05081 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:00:35 -0700 Received: (from gryphon@localhost) by healer.com (8.6.11/8.6.9.1) id RAA12248; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:02:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:02:12 -0400 From: Coranth Gryphon Message-Id: <199509112102.RAA12248@healer.com> To: davide@galactica.it, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple IP address on Ethernet Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk From: davide@galactica.it > Is it possible to assign two or more IP addresses on one > ethernet board ? # ifconfig ed0 inet 198.207.157.13 netmask 255.255.255.0 # ifconfig ed0 alias 198.207.157.1 netmask 255.255.255.255 It's working fine here.. -coranth ------------------------------------------+------------------------+ Coranth Gryphon | "Faith Manages." | | - Satai Delenn | Phone: 603-598-3440 Fax: 603-598-3430 +------------------------+ USMail: 11 Carver St, Nashua, NH 03060 Disclaimer: All these words are yours, except Europa... From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 16:45:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA11816 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:45:55 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA11809 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:45:51 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA28037 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:21:52 -0500 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA17646 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:53:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:53:26 -0500 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199509111953.OAA17646@bonkers.taronga.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: higher density diskettes Organization: Taronga Park BBS Message-Id: References: <199509080917.TAA08205@godzilla.zeta.org.au> <199509080948.TAA01450@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article <199509080948.TAA01450@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au>, Michael Smith wrote: >The upshot was that 10 sectors a track on 720, and 20 on 1440 disks was >close to 100% reliable. Lots of people used 11/22 sector formats with >minimal grief. 11/22 is totally reliable, *IF* you read/write a track at a time (only the one inter sector gap). This requires a significant change in the drivers. :-> From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 16:46:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA11854 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:46:14 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA11846 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:46:07 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA28033 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:21:41 -0500 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA17304 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:41:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:41:35 -0500 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199509111941.OAA17304@bonkers.taronga.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: higher density diskettes Organization: Taronga Park BBS Message-Id: References: <199509071133.NAA03804@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <1337.810473461@critter.tfs.com> Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article <1337.810473461@critter.tfs.com>, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> Microsoft has switched to using so called DMF format >> (Distribution Media Format - 1,716,224 bytes 1.63 MB) on >> diskettes for the WIN95 distrubution disks. >This is very interesting. If it works for them, we can do that too. >The changes to the floppy-build procedure is rather few, but I still >suggest we hang in there until we hear how much trouble MS has with it... Anyone know what they're actually doing? Amiga uses standard MFM to get 1760KB on the same density disks, by leaving off the inter-sector gaps and reading and writing a track at a time. If you also leave off all the sector headers you get 1970KB (you nead one gap/sector header to mark the beginning of the data, or you'd be all the way to 2000KB). From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 17:24:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA13074 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:24:22 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA13067 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:24:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA26656 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:24:17 -0700 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/sys conf.h In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:15:55 +0200." <199509111615.SAA24921@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:24:17 -0700 Message-ID: <26654.810865457@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > However, since pcvt has an urgent need of a rewritten keyboard driver, > perhaps we should actually start to use a common keyboard layer (and > internal API for this)? This should already help alot. Since both PCVT and syscons are now in the same kernel, and even co-existing together somewhat, I think that achieving greater commonality between the two should now be a significant goal. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 18:33:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA15083 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:33:28 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA15074 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:33:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA00454 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:33:23 -0700 To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Hmmmm. Anyone check out "repl"? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:33:23 -0700 Message-ID: <452.810869603@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://www.research.att.com/orgs/ssr/book/reuse/license/packages/95/ft.html From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 19:50:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA17282 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:50:26 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA17274 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:50:22 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id VAA18581; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:49:47 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199509120249.VAA18581@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Help! :-( (fwd) To: gibbs@freefall.FreeBSD.org (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:49:46 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508301704.KAA12780@freefall.FreeBSD.org> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Aug 30, 95 10:04:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk More on the continuing saga of trying to use *two* Adaptec 3940 twin channel controllers in the same system. Having not had a chance to go on-site in about two weeks, my attempts to get this up and running were very limited in scope until tonight. The motherboard, an ASUS um. Argh. >:-( P54TP4? One of Rod Grimes' jobs. Should be reasonable. This is looking like it may well be a configuration problem, but I don't really have a clue. I did some minimal debugging and tracing but it's not clear to me how it's all supposed to work together. It appears that getintdescbytag is getting called with the same values for ahc0/ahc2 and ahc1/ahc3. I couldn't really make a lot of sense quickly out of what was causing that, however, and I believe it is only a symptom of something else that hasn't happened for that second controller. Anyways, kudos to Bill Paul(?) for his serial console work. It makes it very easy to catch messages. I have added a few of my own for debugging, and made a few others a little more specific. None of the meanings have been changed however. If anybody who is familiar with this code can give me a suggestion about what to try next, I would be grateful. (and yes I know it's wicked to print pointers with %d) |/-\|/-Booting sd(0,a)/kernel @ 0x100000 text=0xe4000 data=0xe000 bss=0x151b8 symbols=[+0xe48+0x4+0xdf68+0x4+0xe883] total=0x2247f3 entry point=0x100000 Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE #1: Mon Sep 11 15:24:17 CDT 1995 root@dp2.execpc.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/DAILY_PLANET CPU: 99-MHz Pentium 735\90 or 815\100 (Pentium-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 Features=0x1bf real memory = 66715648 (16288 pages) avail memory = 62902272 (15357 pages) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: MDA/hercules <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 not found at 0x280 ed1 not found at 0x300 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A sio2 not found at 0x3e8 sio3 not found at 0x2e8 lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface lpt1 not found at 0xffffffff lpt2 not found at 0xffffffff fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 not found at 0x1f0 wdc1 not found at 0x170 bt0 not found at 0x330 uha0 not found at 0x330 ahb0 not found aha0 not found at 0x330 aic0 not found at 0x340 nca0 not found at 0x1f88 nca1 not found at 0x350 sea0 not found wt0 not found at 0x300 mcd0: timeout getting status mcd0 not found at 0x300 mcd1: timeout getting status mcd1 not found at 0x340 matcdc0 not found at 0xffffffff scd0 not found at 0x230 ie0 not found at 0x360 ep0 not found at 0x300 ix0 not found at 0x300 le0: no board found at 0x300 le0 not found at 0x300 lnc0 not found at 0x280 lnc1 not found at 0x300 ze0 not found at 0x300 zp0 not found at 0x300 npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Probing for devices on the pci0 bus: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. chip0 rev 1 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 2 on pci0:7 de0 rev 35 int a irq 10 on pci0:9 reg20: virtual=0xf6639000 physical=0xfbdff000 size=0x80 de0: DC21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 Ethernet address 00:80:48:e8:1f:ec de0: enabling Thinwire/AUI port bpf: de0 attached PCI.C: getintdescbytag(10, -2147465216) not found, this is ok! de1 rev 35 int a irq 11 on pci0:10 de1: not configured; kernel is built for only 1 device. chip2 rev 2 on pci0:11 bridge from pci0 to pci1 through 1. mapping regs: io:2280d0d0 mem:fbc0fbc0 pmem:fbf0fbf0chip3 rev 2 on pci0:12 bridge from pci0 to pci1 through 1. mapping regs: io:3280c0c0 mem:fbb0fbb0 pmem:fbe0fbe0pci0: uses 256 bytes of memory from fbb00000 upto fbffffff. pci0: uses 256 bytes of I/O space from c000 upto e47f. pci0: subordinate busses from 1 upto 1. Probing for devices on the pci1 bus: ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 15 on pci1:4 [pci1 uses memory from fbc00000 to fbcfffff] ahc0: reading board settings ahc0: Reading SEEPROM...done. ahc0: 3940 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, aic7870, 16 SCBs ahc0: Downloading Sequencer Program...Done PCI.C: getintdescbytag(15, -2147409920) not found, this is ok! ahc0: Probing channel A ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle ahc0: SCB_ACTIVE set ahc->numscbs=0 ahc0: target 0 synchronous at 10.0MB/s, offset = 0xf (ahc0:0:0): "SEAGATE ST12550N 0014" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 2040MB (4178874 512 byte sectors) ahc1 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci1:5 [pci1 uses memory from fbc00000 to fbcfffff] ahc1: reading board settings ahc1: Reading SEEPROM...done. ahc1: 3940 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, aic7870, 16 SCBs ahc1: Downloading Sequencer Program...Done PCI.C: getintdescbytag(11, -2147407872) not found, this is ok! ahc1: Probing channel A ahc1 waiting for scsi devices to settle ahc1: SCB_ACTIVE set ahc->numscbs=0 ahc1: target 0 synchronous at 10.0MB/s, offset = 0xf (ahc1:0:0): "MICROP 3243-19MZ Q4D HT02" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd10(ahc1:0:0): Direct-Access 4095MB (8388315 512 byte sectors) pci1: uses 8192 bytes of memory from fbcfe000 upto fbcfffff. pci1: uses 512 bytes of I/O space from d400 upto d8ff. Probing for devices on the pci1 bus: ahc2 rev 0 int a irq 15 on pci1:4 [pci1 uses memory from fbb00000 to fbbfffff] ahc2: reading board settings ahc2: Reading SEEPROM...done. ahc2: 3940 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, aic7870, 16 SCBs ahc2: Downloading Sequencer Program...Done PCI.C: getintdescbytag(15, -2147409920) succeeded, unmapping!!!!!!!!!!! irq 15 handler 0xf01e106c(0x0) unmapped for pci 80012000 after 0 ints. ahc2: Probing channel A ahc2 waiting for scsi devices to settle ahc2: SCB_ACTIVE set ahc->numscbs=0 ahc2: target 0 synchronous at 10.0MB/s, offset = 0xf (ahc2:0:0): "SEAGATE ST12550N 0014" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd20(ahc2:0:0): Direct-Access 2040MB (4178874 512 byte sectors) ahc3 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci1:5 [pci1 uses memory from fbb00000 to fbbfffff] ahc3: reading board settings ahc3: Reading SEEPROM...done. ahc3: 3940 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, aic7870, 16 SCBs ahc3: Downloading Sequencer Program...Done PCI.C: getintdescbytag(11, -2147407872) succeeded, unmapping!!!!!!!!!!! irq 11 handler 0xf01e106c(0x1) unmapped for pci 80012800 after 0 ints. ahc3: Probing channel A ahc3 waiting for scsi devices to settle ahc3: SCB_ACTIVE set ahc->numscbs=0 ahc3: target 0 synchronous at 10.0MB/s, offset = 0xf (ahc3:0:0): "MICROP 3243-19MZ Q4D HT02" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd30(ahc3:0:0): Direct-Access 4095MB (8388315 512 byte sectors) pci1: uses 8192 bytes of memory from fbcfe000 upto fbcfffff. pci1: uses 512 bytes of I/O space from d400 upto d8ff. changing root device to sd0a bpf: lo0 attached bpf: ppp0 attached bpf: sl0 attached bpf: tun0 attached ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x8a scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ahc2: ahcintr - referenced scb NOT ACTIVE during scsiint 0x88 scb(0) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 20:13:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA18162 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:13:42 -0700 Received: from thumper.osix.com.au (osixsyd.tmx.com.au [203.9.152.143]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA18148 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:13:30 -0700 Received: from bruce.osix.com.au (bruce.osix.com.au [203.18.59.4]) by thumper.osix.com.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA16918; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:59:19 GMT Message-Id: <199509121259.MAA16918@thumper.osix.com.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Peter May" Organization: OSIX Pty Ltd To: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva), hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:12:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: higher density diskettes Reply-to: peter@osix.com.au Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > In article <1337.810473461@critter.tfs.com>, > Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> Microsoft has switched to using so called DMF format > >> (Distribution Media Format - 1,716,224 bytes 1.63 MB) on > >> diskettes for the WIN95 distrubution disks. > > >This is very interesting. If it works for them, we can do that too. > >The changes to the floppy-build procedure is rather few, but I still > >suggest we hang in there until we hear how much trouble MS has with it... > > Anyone know what they're actually doing? > > Amiga uses standard MFM to get 1760KB on the same density disks, by leaving > off the inter-sector gaps and reading and writing a track at a time. If you > also leave off all the sector headers you get 1970KB (you nead one gap/sector > header to mark the beginning of the data, or you'd be all the way to 2000KB). Just think of the buffer size you would need in the FD driver! At least 26k of memory PER TRACK READ. And what about error detection? Are we going to have the driver do CRC checks on data fields as well? That should speed the performance of this already flaky driver up no end! :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------->>>>> Peter May OSIX Pty Ltd Director Level 1, 261-263 Pacific Highway Technical Services North Sydney. NSW. Australia. 2060. Home: +61-18-782858 Internet: peter@osix.com.au Work: +61-2-9922-3999 Fax: +61-2-9922-3385 >>>> PGP Public key available upon request <<<< ---------------------------------------------------------------->>>>> From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 20:42:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA18975 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:42:26 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA18969 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:42:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA00956; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:40:53 -0700 To: Joe Greco cc: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org (Justin T. Gibbs), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help! :-( (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:49:46 CDT." <199509120249.VAA18581@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:40:53 -0700 Message-ID: <954.810877253@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > This is looking like it may well be a configuration problem, but I don't > really have a clue. I did some minimal debugging and tracing but it's not > clear to me how it's all supposed to work together. Well, THIS is certainly interesting: > de1 rev 35 int a irq 11 on pci0:10 ^^ > de1: not configured; kernel is built for only 1 device. AND > ahc1 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci1:5 ^^ > [pci1 uses memory from fbc00000 to fbcfffff] Can you explain a little more about this system? What's in the thing? I've never seen one of these: chip2 rev 2 on pci0:11 Before! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 20:53:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA19210 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:53:37 -0700 Received: from irz201.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz201.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA19187 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:53:31 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz201.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id FAA23604 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:53:28 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id FAA03567 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:52:12 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA27423 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:36:14 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509120336.FAA27423@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: higher density diskettes To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:36:14 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Peter da Silva" at Sep 11, 95 02:53:26 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 414 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Peter da Silva wrote: > > 11/22 is totally reliable, *IF* you read/write a track at a time (only > the one inter sector gap). This requires a significant change in the > drivers. :-> I'm not masochist enough to read/write one track at a time with a stupid 765. :-] -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 20:56:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA19372 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:56:35 -0700 Received: from irz201.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz201.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA19366 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:56:33 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz201.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id FAA23608 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:56:24 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id FAA03579 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:55:08 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA27598 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:54:36 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509120354.FAA27598@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: higher density diskettes To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:54:35 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509121259.MAA16918@thumper.osix.com.au> from "Peter May" at Sep 12, 95 01:12:46 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 865 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Peter May wrote: > That should speed the performance of this already flaky driver up no > end! :-) Badly designed: yes. But flakey? How? Why? We've got one of the fastest floppy disk drivers. :-) It's even about 10 % faster than Linux (for sequential reads), i've heard that old Xenix' are as fast, and it's way faster than all commercial Unices i've seen. (For sequential reads, and i consider them the most typical _unix_ usage [tar floppy], we get 30 KB/s, that's 2/3 of the raw data rate, and basically proves that we don't use revolutions.) Of course, all this assumes that you're issuing larger requests than single-sector, otherwise the o/s overhead may come into your way and make you lose revolutions. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 21:05:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA19666 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:05:03 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA19660 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:05:01 -0700 Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id XAA18652; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:03:53 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199509120403.XAA18652@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Help! :-( (fwd) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:03:52 -0500 (CDT) Cc: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <954.810877253@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Sep 11, 95 08:40:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > This is looking like it may well be a configuration problem, but I don't > > really have a clue. I did some minimal debugging and tracing but it's not > > clear to me how it's all supposed to work together. > > Well, THIS is certainly interesting: > > > de1 rev 35 int a irq 11 on pci0:10 > ^^ > > de1: not configured; kernel is built for only 1 device. > > AND > > > ahc1 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci1:5 > ^^ > > [pci1 uses memory from fbc00000 to fbcfffff] Yeah, I noticed that only after having been able to borrow a PC to capture all the messages. Unfortunately, it is next to impossible to stop the screen and look at the messages while they are on the screen (and when the machine blows up, scroll lock and pause have little effect). However, de1 is not being installed, as far as I can tell.. > Can you explain a little more about this system? What's in the thing? > I've never seen one of these: > chip2 rev 2 on pci0:11 > Before! :-) As it's been explained to me, that is a PCI to PCI bridge ("PPB"), which "connects" two PCI busses together, or somesuch. It's a gateway onto a different bus. Apparently certain PCI peripherals, such as 4-way Ethernet cards, like to glue 4 PCI controllers together on a bus and then provide a single gateway onto the system's PCI bus. In this case, the AHA3940 apparently puts two controllers behind a PPB. I'm mostly familiar with bus bridges in other contexts, so I am not sure that my description is totally correct, and I have no idea what the issues all are. I'll be the first to admit that PCI puzzles me. I'm not really a PC hardware guy - I leave that to the geniuses like Rod. Speaking of Rod, he was the one who sold execpc.com the motherboard and PCI Ethernet cards in question. Thanks, ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 21:14:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA19790 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:14:04 -0700 Received: from aslan.cdrom.com (aslan.cdrom.com [192.216.223.142]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA19784 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:14:02 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA03607; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:12:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199509120412.VAA03607@aslan.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: aslan.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco cc: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org (Justin T. Gibbs), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help! :-( (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:49:46 CDT." <199509120249.VAA18581@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:12:37 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >This is looking like it may well be a configuration problem, but I don't >really have a clue. I did some minimal debugging and tracing but it's not >clear to me how it's all supposed to work together. It is a configuration problem. You have the de1 device not getting properly attached and on the same IRQ as one of your 3940s, so I think it is getting really confused. The errors you show bellow look like stray ints. Stephan, what does the PCI code do, if anything, to handle stray ints like this with shared interrupts? >It appears that getintdescbytag is getting called with the same values for >ahc0/ahc2 and ahc1/ahc3. I couldn't really make a lot of sense quickly out >of what was causing that, however, and I believe it is only a symptom of >something else that hasn't happened for that second controller. This is also interresting. I would have expected all devices behind the Dec bridge chip to be sequentially before other PCI devices. It looks like ahc0 is Channel A on controller 1, ahc2 is Channel B on controller 1, etc. Is this in fact your setup? >chip0 rev 1 on pci0:0 >chip1 rev 2 on pci0:7 >de0 rev 35 int a irq 10 on pci0:9 > reg20: virtual=0xf6639000 physical=0xfbdff000 size=0x80 >de0: DC21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 Ethernet address 00:80:48:e8:1f:ec >de0: enabling Thinwire/AUI port >bpf: de0 attached >PCI.C: getintdescbytag(10, -2147465216) not found, this is ok! >de1 rev 35 int a irq 11 on pci0:10 >de1: not configured; kernel is built for only 1 device. Stray int source. >chip2 rev 2 on pci0:11 > bridge from pci0 to pci1 through 1. > mapping regs: io:2280d0d0 mem:fbc0fbc0 pmem:fbf0fbf0chip3 I-PCI bridge> rev 2 on pci0:12 > bridge from pci0 to pci1 through 1. > mapping regs: io:3280c0c0 mem:fbb0fbb0 pmem:fbe0fbe0pci0: uses 256 byte >s of memory from fbb00000 upto fbffffff. >pci0: uses 256 bytes of I/O space from c000 upto e47f. >pci0: subordinate busses from 1 upto 1. >Probing for devices on the pci1 bus: >ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 15 on pci1:4 > [pci1 uses memory from fbc00000 to fbcfffff] >ahc0: reading board settings >ahc0: Reading SEEPROM...done. >ahc0: 3940 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, aic7870, 16 SCBs >ahc0: Downloading Sequencer Program...Done >... Joe Can you try this with -current's driver files? There are quite a few things cleaned up with respect to the 3940. You'll need i386/scsi/*, i386/isa/aic7770.c, and pci/aic7870.c. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >- >Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net >Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 21:14:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA19901 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:14:42 -0700 Received: from aslan.cdrom.com (aslan.cdrom.com [192.216.223.142]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA19895 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:14:37 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA03659 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:14:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199509120414.VAA03659@aslan.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: aslan.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: higher density diskettes In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:54:35 +0200." <199509120354.FAA27598@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:14:29 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >As Peter May wrote: > >> That should speed the performance of this already flaky driver up no >> end! :-) > >Badly designed: yes. But flakey? How? Why? > >We've got one of the fastest floppy disk drivers. :-) It's even about >10 % faster than Linux (for sequential reads), i've heard that old >Xenix' are as fast, and it's way faster than all commercial Unices >i've seen. (For sequential reads, and i consider them the most >typical _unix_ usage [tar floppy], we get 30 KB/s, that's 2/3 of the >raw data rate, and basically proves that we don't use revolutions.) The reason most people "think" our floppy I/O is slow is that they are doing msdosfs things with them. Msdosfs is a real dog in FreeBSD. >-- >cheers, J"org > >joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ >Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 21:16:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA20000 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:16:19 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA19994 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:16:14 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA00848 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 22:47:56 -0500 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA29889 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 22:41:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 22:41:33 -0500 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199509120341.WAA29889@bonkers.taronga.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: higher density diskettes Organization: Taronga Park BBS References: <199509121259.MAA16918@thumper.osix.com.au> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:41:29 GMT Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article <199509121259.MAA16918@thumper.osix.com.au>, Peter May wrote: >Just think of the buffer size you would need in the FD driver! At >least 26k of memory PER TRACK READ. Commodore managed it in a machine with only 512K total RAM. >And what about error detection? >Are we going to have the driver do CRC checks on data fields as well? >That should speed the performance of this already flaky driver up no >end! :-) Who said it'd be fast? It'd just be a cool way to upstage Microsoft. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 23:14:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA23830 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:14:36 -0700 Received: from thumper.osix.com.au (osixsyd.tmx.com.au [203.9.152.143]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA23812 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:13:59 -0700 Received: from bruce.osix.com.au (bruce.osix.com.au [203.18.59.4]) by thumper.osix.com.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA17050; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:57:00 GMT Message-Id: <199509121557.PAA17050@thumper.osix.com.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Peter May" Organization: OSIX Pty Ltd To: J Wunsch , hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:10:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: higher density diskettes Reply-to: peter@osix.com.au Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > As Peter May wrote: > > > That should speed the performance of this already flaky driver up no > > end! :-) > > Badly designed: yes. But flakey? How? Why? The "Task" I have assigned myself over the last 18 months or so has been the MCA support. The major stumbling block here was getting the driver to work with an architecture that supported all of the features that the '765 was supposed to - like the diskette changed line and so forth. Then add to that the layer of issues brought about by level sensitive interrupt handlers. IRQ's that are not reset by the driver (in the current architecture, which uses fdstate like fdintr :-( ) interrupt requests are not services at appropriate times, and fdstate fails to transition in many places or supply proper commands in all circumstances (like diskette changed). Now, I had this working reasonably on 1.1.5.1R, then along came 2.0R. A week later, I had "repaired" all of the issues (none of which I corrected in any form of elegance, BTW). The 2.0.5 - more major changes to the FD driver. Now I use SUP .... and follow -current, I am sure I am going to win the race to get the driver that I "need" working! Mind you, a lot of these issues only become apparent when you use an MCA machine ... but it leaves me wondering if some of the inconsistencies in the ISA stuff become obvious on MCA. > We've got one of the fastest floppy disk drivers. :-) It's even about > 10 % faster than Linux (for sequential reads), i've heard that old > Xenix' are as fast, and it's way faster than all commercial Unices > i've seen. (For sequential reads, and i consider them the most > typical _unix_ usage [tar floppy], we get 30 KB/s, that's 2/3 of the > raw data rate, and basically proves that we don't use revolutions.) On ISA, performance is great. > Of course, all this assumes that you're issuing larger requests than > single-sector, otherwise the o/s overhead may come into your way and > make you lose revolutions. > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) Best Regards, ---------------------------------------------------------------->>>>> Peter May OSIX Pty Ltd Director Level 1, 261-263 Pacific Highway Technical Services North Sydney. NSW. Australia. 2060. Home: +61-18-782858 Internet: peter@osix.com.au Work: +61-2-9922-3999 Fax: +61-2-9922-3385 >>>> PGP Public key available upon request <<<< ---------------------------------------------------------------->>>>> From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Sep 11 23:53:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA25023 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:53:06 -0700 Received: (from sos@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA25013 ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:53:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199509120653.XAA25013@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/sys conf.h To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <26654.810865457@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Sep 11, 95 05:24:17 pm From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-to: sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 785 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who wrote: > > > However, since pcvt has an urgent need of a rewritten keyboard driver, > > perhaps we should actually start to use a common keyboard layer (and > > internal API for this)? This should already help alot. > > Since both PCVT and syscons are now in the same kernel, and even > co-existing together somewhat, I think that achieving greater > commonality between the two should now be a significant goal. > > Jordan I think we are still suffering from the "religion plague", so I'll go play with something entirely different.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 00:18:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA25979 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:18:04 -0700 Received: from system1.indecent.com (root@system1.indecent.com [204.95.227.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA25973 ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:18:01 -0700 Received: (from partek@localhost) by system1.indecent.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA00440; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 02:19:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 02:19:36 -0500 (EST) From: David Anderson To: The FreeBSD Gods , questions@freebsd.org Subject: PCVT problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk With the problems I've had with the cons25 console driver, I decided to give pcvt another shot. I've come across a few things(which I may have mentioned before) that don't look quite right. 1- What is supposed to be bold turns out blue.(bad mappings?) 2- The output on the screen at boot is white on a red background(not a problem, just looks weird) 3- When using IRC, the screen "shakes" when a a new line of text goes through. It quite literally gives me a headache. (An incentive to stay off of IRC? :) ) 4- The cursor seems to be lagged behind my typing. 5- When using the up arrow key in tcsh to recall commands, it doesn't clear the current line, so things get jumbled up. If it helps any, here's what dmesg says about vt0 on bootup: ---- Probing for devices on the ISA bus: vt0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard vt0: cl-gd5428, 80/132 col, color, 12 scr, mf2-kbd, [R3.20-b24] ---- Are these known problems being dealt with, or am I doing things wrong? Thanks, Dave +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | David Anderson | Partek on IRC | partek@indecent.com | partek@youth.org | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | "We do not have to resign our vision to what 'the world is really like'. | | The roles of our past do not have to be the blueprint for our future. No | | fear. No hate. No limits. Anything is possible." - Unknown | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 00:58:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA26965 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:58:17 -0700 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (root@netcom7.netcom.com [192.100.81.115]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA26959 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:58:16 -0700 Received: from snoopy.net1.vpm.com by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id AAA07928; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:55:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199509120755.AAA07928@netcom7.netcom.com> X-Sender: mcstout@netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:53:12 -0700 To: The FreeBSD Gods From: Mark C Stout Subject: Can't find /bin/sh after install Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, The subject pretty much says it all. I just installed the 'bin' diskset and I can't boot it. What did I do wrong here? This is my first attempt dealing with FreeBSD so I'm on that first time learning curve, please bear with me. Thanks, Mark ========================================================================== Mark Stout | The Village Potpourri Mall: http://www.vpm.com/ ---------------+---------------------------------------------------------- VPM Enterprises; P.O.Box 6427; Folsom, CA 95763-6427 Commercial Internet Sales, Marketing and Advertising Specialist ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 01:04:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA27281 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 01:04:15 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA27273 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 01:04:04 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA15898; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:58:58 +1000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:58:58 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199509120758.RAA15898@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: higher density diskettes Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>We've got one of the fastest floppy disk drivers. :-) It's even about >>10 % faster than Linux (for sequential reads), i've heard that old >>Xenix' are as fast, and it's way faster than all commercial Unices >>i've seen. (For sequential reads, and i consider them the most >>typical _unix_ usage [tar floppy], we get 30 KB/s, that's 2/3 of the >>raw data rate, and basically proves that we don't use revolutions.) 30K is what you get for naive sequential reads when you waste one revolution out of every 3. The slip occurs every time the cylinder number is increased. It is more or less guaranteed by the head settle delay if sectors are read sequentially. The FreeBSD driver uses a head settle delay of hz/16 ticks, i.e., between 50 and 60 ms. This is much longer than necessary. I think the spec is 15 msec. This would be met by a timeout of 3 ticks (between 20 and 30 ms). Any delay that when combined with the step time is larger than the index gap time guarantees missing a revolution after seeking. In Minix-1.5 or later, the floppy driver misses only 1-3 sectors per step when doing sequential reads. It does this by keeping track of the drive position and reordering i/o for speed. This gives times like the following on identical hardware: Minix-1.6.25++ FreeBSD-current fd0.1440, 1K reads 39000 bytes/sec 30500 bytes/sec rfd0.1440, 1K reads ? 30000 fd0.1440, 18K reads 41000 30720 rfd0.1440, 18K reads ? 30720 fd1.1200, 1K reads ? 30000 fd1.1200, 18K reads 30720 30000 rfd1.1200, 1K reads ? 30000 rfd1.1200, 18K reads ? 30720 The 1200K Minix times are low because the driver was tuned for a faster drive. Some 1200K drives can be accessed with a slippage of <= 1 sectors/rev, so they have a speed of >= 45 * 14/15 K/sec. >The reason most people "think" our floppy I/O is slow is that they >are doing msdosfs things with them. Msdosfs is a real dog in FreeBSD. I think too much buffering and clustering is left to the file system. This loses big when the file system doesn't do any buffering or clustering. Random access is sure to be slow if writes are synchronous. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 03:06:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id DAA01435 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:06:09 -0700 Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA01414 ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:05:53 -0700 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0ssSAD-000I0PC; Tue, 12 Sep 95 12:02 MET DST Received: by ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ssRrc-000019C; Tue, 12 Sep 95 11:42 MET DST Message-Id: From: hm@altona.hamburg.com (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: PCVT problems To: partek@indecent.com (David Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:42:48 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "David Anderson" at Sep 12, 95 02:19:36 am Reply-To: hm@altona.hamburg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1942 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From the keyboard of David Anderson: > With the problems I've had with the cons25 console driver, I decided to > give pcvt another shot. I've come across a few things(which I may have > mentioned before) that don't look quite right. > > 1- What is supposed to be bold turns out blue.(bad mappings?) This is as it should be. It was done because of a shortcoming in the VGA architecture. The color assignments are changeable at compile time in pcvt_conf.h. > 2- The output on the screen at boot is white on a red background(not a > problem, just looks weird) This is as it should be. It was done because of personal prefenrence and is cahngeable at compile time in pcvt_conf.h. > 3- When using IRC, the screen "shakes" when a a new line of text goes > through. It quite literally gives me a headache. (An incentive to stay > off of IRC? :) ) No idea, never used IRC. > 4- The cursor seems to be lagged behind my typing. You seem to be as very fast typist then ! :-) The cursor update is done asynchronously in pcvt and its frequency is controlled by the compile time variable PCVT_UPDATEFAST which is again changable in pcvt_conf.h. > 5- When using the up arrow key in tcsh to recall commands, it doesn't > clear the current line, so things get jumbled up. No idea. I'm using bash for years now, and it works for me. For your items 3 and 5: perhaps you want to switch pcvt in the HP mode (scon -H) in which you can toggle a display functions mode by pressing F8. In this mode escape sequences and control codes dont get executed but dis- played, so it might be possible to find the cause of these problems. Anyway, i would also suggest to read the (not perfect) docs in the directory /usr/src/usr.sbin/pcvt/Misc/Doc ! Hope this helps, hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@altona.hamburg.com Hamburg, Europe (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nstall BSD ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 03:06:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id DAA01589 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:06:48 -0700 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA01481 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:06:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA03734 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:10:03 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199509121010.MAA03734@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Proposed patch to ghostscript port To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:10:03 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 677 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Would someone make the following one-line change to ports/print/ghostscript/files/patch-aa: from DEVICE_DEVS7=r4081.dev to DEVICE_DEVS7=r4081.dev dfaxhigh.dev dfaxlow.dev This allows the inclusion of dfaxhigh and dfaxlow drivers, which are used in mgetty+sendfax. Thanks Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 03:52:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id DAA02655 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:52:17 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA02643 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:51:53 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA16285 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:50:54 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA06119 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:50:53 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA28214 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:57:36 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509120557.HAA28214@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: higher density diskettes To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:57:35 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509120414.VAA03659@aslan.cdrom.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Sep 11, 95 09:14:29 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 719 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Justin T. Gibbs wrote: (Me:) > >... (For sequential reads, and i consider them the most > >typical _unix_ usage [tar floppy], we get 30 KB/s, that's 2/3 of the > >raw data rate, and basically proves that we don't use revolutions.) lose > The reason most people "think" our floppy I/O is slow is that they > are doing msdosfs things with them. Msdosfs is a real dog in FreeBSD. ^^^ Perhaps we should rename it to "msdogfs"? :-] Yup. mtools act much better. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 04:53:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA03861 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:53:52 -0700 Received: from news.NetDTW.com (news.NetDTW.com [192.160.70.145]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA03855 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:53:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by news.NetDTW.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA13853; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:53:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:53:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Corso Subject: Kernel & fixit diskette (fwd) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I posted this to QUESTIONS and did not get a response. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:45:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Corso To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Kernel & fixit diskette Hello All, I am trying to make a fixit diskette that contains inetd along with the other normal stuff. I have been pretty much done it except I cannot figure out two items: 1. How do you crunch the actual kernel itself? The Makefile I have does not do this. 2. How do you establish your identify when you boot single user? I ask this because rlogin (off the fixit) reports that it does not know its user name, and, a rlogin -l xxx does not resolve the issue. Thank you in advance, Steve From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 05:36:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA04427 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:36:10 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA04420 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:36:07 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id IAA09405; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:28:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:28:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Help! :-( (fwd) To: Joe Greco cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509120403.XAA18652@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Joe Greco wrote: > > Can you explain a little more about this system? What's in the thing? > > I've never seen one of these: > > chip2 rev 2 on pci0:11 > > Before! :-) you can get details from the book _pci_system_architecture_ by tom shanley and don anderson, addison-wesley. look at the chapter on "pci device configuration". as i understand it, a pci-pci bridge connects two pci busses in a heirarchical topology (2 host-pci bridges can be used to form a peer relationship). > As it's been explained to me, that is a PCI to PCI bridge ("PPB"), which > "connects" two PCI busses together, or somesuch. It's a gateway onto a > different bus. Apparently certain PCI peripherals, such as 4-way Ethernet > cards, like to glue 4 PCI controllers together on a bus and then provide a > single gateway onto the system's PCI bus. In this case, the AHA3940 > apparently puts two controllers behind a PPB. I'm mostly familiar with bus > bridges in other contexts, so I am not sure that my description is totally > correct, and I have no idea what the issues all are. > > I'll be the first to admit that PCI puzzles me. I'm not really a PC > hardware guy - I leave that to the geniuses like Rod. Speaking of Rod, he > was the one who sold execpc.com the motherboard and PCI Ethernet cards in > question. > > Thanks, > > ... Joe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net > Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 05:58:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA04793 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:58:15 -0700 Received: from news.NetDTW.com (news.NetDTW.com [192.160.70.145]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA04787 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:58:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by news.NetDTW.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA17107; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:58:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:58:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Corso Subject: Kernel & fixit diskette (fwd) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone help me with this? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:45:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Corso To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Kernel & fixit diskette Hello All, I am trying to make a fixit diskette that contains inetd along with the other normal stuff. I have been pretty much done it except I cannot figure out two items: 1. How do you crunch the actual kernel itself? The Makefile I have does not do this. 2. How do you establish your identify when you boot single user? I ask this because rlogin (off the fixit) reports that it does not know its user name, and, a rlogin -l xxx does not resolve the issue. Thank you in advance, Steve From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 08:21:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA14880 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:21:41 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA14872 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:21:33 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id RAA28353 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:21:28 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id RAA07644 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:21:28 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA29200 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:54:10 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509121154.NAA29200@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: higher density diskettes To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:54:10 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509120758.RAA15898@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Sep 12, 95 05:58:58 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 724 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Bruce Evans wrote: > > ... The FreeBSD driver uses a head > settle delay of hz/16 ticks, i.e., between 50 and 60 ms. This is much > longer than necessary. I think the spec is 15 msec. The spec suffers from a lack of reality. We've once had hz/32, and got (too) many problem reports. That's why the more conservative value has been used. I know that the existing driver is not at the end of optimization, but i'm not sure whether a potential gain of 25 % or less in speed would be worth the effort. People usually only recognize speed changes by a factor of 2 or more. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 08:31:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA15558 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:31:07 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA15442 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:30:11 -0700 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gil (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA00208 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:41:42 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:41:42 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199509121241.OAA00208@gil> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: 1.1.5.1 disklabel under 2.x? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Only a short answer: is it is or is it ain't possible to read a 1.1.5.1 disklabel (i.e. mount a 1.1.5.1 disk) under 2.x? It looks to me it ain't. I'm getting 'bad Superblock'. --Chris Christoph P. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 09:30:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA18761 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:30:25 -0700 Received: from Sunrise.Buslogic.linux.com (root@a237154.nctu.edu.tw [140.126.237.154]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA18754 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:30:13 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by Sunrise.Buslogic.linux.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA00134 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 00:31:27 +0800 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 00:31:27 +0800 From: root Message-Id: <199509121631.AAA00134@Sunrise.Buslogic.linux.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Question Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello: I've just got the 2.1.0-950726-SNAP, the stable branch, and recompile the kernel,after booting the new kernel,it says "/kernel ,syslogd, uid0,exit on signal 11...." why? but i can still log in! thanks s794202@linux.en.sjsmit.edu.tw From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 09:45:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA19396 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:45:01 -0700 Received: from toplink1.toplink.de (toplink1.toplink.de [194.163.120.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA19346 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:44:51 -0700 Received: (from ck@localhost) by toplink1.toplink.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA01501 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:43:02 +0200 From: Christian Kratzer Message-Id: <199509121643.SAA01501@toplink1.toplink.de> Subject: INN Performance on 2.0R To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:43:01 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1146 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi Guys! We get a very low articles/sec rate on our UUCP news feed. I would be very interested in seeing some numbers of articles/sec rates from other similar news servers. Here's our config: - FreeBSD 2.0R - INN 1.4 - 800 mb /var/news on Conner CFP1080S 1gig SCSI drive - news and .overview are both on the /var/news partition although .overviews are separeted under /var/news/over.view - Adaptec 1542CF - 486DX4 32MB - uucp over tcpip feed using gzip -d rnews reports that it's getting between 2 and 3 articles/sec from the uucp feed. I have heard other people routinely get between 10 and 20 articels/sec. Something seems to be very wrong here but I can't seem to figure out what it is. We will be upgrading to a larger faster /var/news drive soon and will be separating the overview files to separate spindle but even with the current configuration I believe we should get at least 10 articles/sec using uucp. Any tips ? Greetings Christian -- TopLink GbR, Internet Services info@toplink.de Christian Kratzer http://www.toplink.de/ Phone: +49 7452 87174 Fax: +49 7452 87175 FreeBSD spoken here! From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 10:16:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA21633 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:16:14 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA21626 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:16:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA01522 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:15:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199509121715.LAA01522@rover.village.org> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Cross compiler Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:15:49 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm in the position of needing to support an older version of FreeBSD. The recent syslog bug has brought to my attention the need to be able to build binaries for this system from time to time. I was thinking of setting up a cross compiler on my FreeBSD 2.0R (or 2.0.5R) box for the 1.1.5R machine and they trying to rebuild libc and those binaries that are impacted (the 1.1.5R machine, as you may know, has a puny 40M IDE disk only and no NFS support). Has anybody done this? Are there any gotchas that I need to worry about? I know I can't just run the 1.1.5R compilers on my machine because they will, unless specifically told otherwise, go after the wrong include files, assemblers, cpp, etc. My current plan is to build the 2.4.5 gnu c that is in the 1.1.5R release on my 2.0R box and follow the instructions for a cross compiler that gcc has had for a long time. I'll just bring over things like ld and as since I believe that the cross compiler runs these, if found in a certain directory, with flags like -nostdlib. Any comments? Better yet, anybody have a 1.1.5R libc that is rebuilt with the syslog patch fixed? Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 10:52:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA22447 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:52:58 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA22440 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:52:53 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA21937; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:44:52 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199509121744.KAA21937@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Kernel & fixit diskette (fwd) To: steve@news.netdtw.com (Steve Corso) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:44:52 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Steve Corso" at Sep 12, 95 07:53:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1197 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I am trying to make a fixit diskette that contains inetd along with the > other normal stuff. > > I have been pretty much done it except I cannot figure out two items: > > 1. How do you crunch the actual kernel itself? The Makefile I have does > not do this. It is gzip'pped; the loader understands this. It is a problem for systems with instruction cache choherency problems (like old Cyrix); it can be corrected with binvd's in the decompressor, but is a real pain. > 2. How do you establish your identify when you boot single user? I ask this > because rlogin (off the fixit) reports that it does not know its user > name, and, a rlogin -l xxx does not resolve the issue. By logging in. I know, this is an odd answer. The problem is that the user is retrieved from information initialized by login, but you have not really used login when you boot into a shell in single user mode. You will either have to rewrite the user name retrieval in rlogin, or try the login command at the prompt (assuming you can fit it on your disk). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 11:01:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA22584 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:01:08 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA22576 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:01:02 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA21963; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:50:32 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199509121750.KAA21963@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Help! :-( (fwd) To: jmb@kryten.Atinc.COM (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:50:32 -0700 (MST) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Sep 12, 95 08:28:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 904 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > Can you explain a little more about this system? What's in the thing? > > > I've never seen one of these: > > > chip2 rev 2 on pci0:11 > > > Before! :-) > > you can get details from the book _pci_system_architecture_ by > tom shanley and don anderson, addison-wesley. look at the chapter on > "pci device configuration". Or get the PCI Local Bus Specification; it is available from: PCI Special Interest Group M/S HF3-15A 5200 N.E. Elam Young Parkway Hillsboro, Oregon 97124-6497 (503) 696-2000 The full set includes PCI Local Bus Specification * PCI to PCI Bridge Architecture Specification * PCI Multimedia Design Guide PCI System Design Guide * * Item marked with an asterisk are of particular interest. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 11:06:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA22982 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:06:12 -0700 Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (sri.MT.net [204.94.231.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA22971 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:06:08 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA06676; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:08:08 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:08:08 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199509121808.MAA06676@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Terry Lambert Cc: steve@news.netdtw.com (Steve Corso), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel & fixit diskette (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199509121744.KAA21937@phaeton.artisoft.com> References: <199509121744.KAA21937@phaeton.artisoft.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > > I am trying to make a fixit diskette that contains inetd along with the > > other normal stuff. > > > > I have been pretty much done it except I cannot figure out two items: > > > > 1. How do you crunch the actual kernel itself? The Makefile I have does > > not do this. > > It is gzip'pped; the loader understands this. Almost. It's 'kzipped', which is gzip + a header to unzip it into memory. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 11:56:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA23857 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:56:30 -0700 Received: from netcom3.netcom.com (root@netcom3.netcom.com [192.100.81.103]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA23851 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:56:27 -0700 Received: from [192.0.2.1] by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA23729; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:53:25 -0700 X-Sender: shamrock@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:00:29 -0800 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: shamrock@netcom.com (Lucky Green) Subject: Creating FreeBSD driver. How? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I got some National Semi's Hydra isoEthernet cards. Since I got more cards than normal PCs, I have been thinking about sticking one into my FreeBSD box. Of course I'd need a driver to get the iso part working. I got the iso drivers for DOS that came with the card. The normal ethernet part of the card can be standard NE2000. Of course if you use an NE2000 driver you are missing out on the iso part. How do I go about creating a driver for FreeBSD that will give full functionallity? Are there any faqs or other tips? I searched the FreeBSD web site without avail. Never coded a driver, don't know anything about it, but would like to see FreeBSD to be the first real OS that supports isoEthernet. To answer the inevitable questions: isoEthernet is a regular 10baseT Ethernet plus 96 ISDN B channels plus some control channels, all running on the same standard UTP wire. The Hydra cards are fully compatible with normal ethernet hubs, you just wouldn't get the isochronous services.The cards are not yet available for sale. TIA, -- Lucky Green PGP encrypted mail preferred. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 12:04:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA24021 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:04:08 -0700 Received: from mail1.digital.com (mail1.digital.com [204.123.2.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA24015 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:04:07 -0700 Received: from muggsy.lkg.dec.com by mail1.digital.com; (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA10640; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:41:56 -0700 Received: from whydos.lkg.dec.com by muggsy.lkg.dec.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) with SMTP id AA09406; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:41:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whydos.lkg.dec.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA14326; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:54:45 GMT Message-Id: <199509121454.OAA14326@whydos.lkg.dec.com> X-Authentication-Warning: whydos.lkg.dec.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco Cc: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org (Justin T. Gibbs), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help! :-( (fwd) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 11 Sep 1995 21:49:46 EST." <199509120249.VAA18581@brasil.moneng.mei.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:54:44 +0000 From: Matt Thomas Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In <199509120249.VAA18581@brasil.moneng.mei.com> , you wrote: One of his problems will be due to a "interaction" between the DC21050 and the Triton chipset. Basically, if the CPU access any memory mapped registers behind the PPB eventually the system will go into PCI deadlock. Not that seems to the current problem but you will hit it. The solution is to switch to I/O mapping. Matt Thomas Internet: matt@lkg.dec.com 3am Software Foundry WWW URL: Westford, MA Disclaimer: Digital disavows all knowledge of this message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 12:19:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA24594 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:19:05 -0700 Received: from aslan.cdrom.com (aslan.cdrom.com [192.216.223.142]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA24588 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:19:04 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA07108; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:16:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199509121916.MAA07108@aslan.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: aslan.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Matt Thomas cc: Joe Greco , gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org (Justin T. Gibbs), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help! :-( (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:54:44 -0000." <199509121454.OAA14326@whydos.lkg.dec.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:16:20 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >In <199509120249.VAA18581@brasil.moneng.mei.com> , you wrote: > >One of his problems will be due to a "interaction" between the >DC21050 and the Triton chipset. Basically, if the CPU access >any memory mapped registers behind the PPB eventually the system >will go into PCI deadlock. > >Not that seems to the current problem but you will hit it. > >The solution is to switch to I/O mapping. To be compatible with its EISA and VL cousins, the aic7xxx driver only does I/O mapping of 29/3940 register space. > >Matt Thomas Internet: matt@lkg.dec.com >3am Software Foundry WWW URL: >Westford, MA Disclaimer: Digital disavows all knowledge > of this message > -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 13:38:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA26640 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:38:18 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA26634 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:38:15 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA02186; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:35:20 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199509122035.NAA02186@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Creating FreeBSD driver. How? To: shamrock@netcom.com (Lucky Green) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:35:20 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Lucky Green" at Sep 12, 95 12:00:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1328 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I got some National Semi's Hydra isoEthernet cards. Since I got more cards > than normal PCs, I have been thinking about sticking one into my FreeBSD > box. Of course I'd need a driver to get the iso part working. I got the iso > drivers for DOS that came with the card. The normal ethernet part of the > card can be standard NE2000. Of course if you use an NE2000 driver you are > missing out on the iso part. How do I go about creating a driver for > FreeBSD that will give full functionallity? Are there any faqs or other > tips? I searched the FreeBSD web site without avail. Is there a Novell Server (not Client!) ODI driver for the thing? The ODI driver stuff may be easy to hack, depending on the driver architecture. Specifically, if it uses polling or a not-busy interrupt, then you are probably SOL and will need to write the driver from scratch. ISO by itself is meaningless (means International Standards Organization) as far as telling us what the card capabilities are. It's probably just a manufacturer name. Since you say you've never done a driver before, you'll probably not have sufficient information to do the ODI hack, which means it probably won't get done. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 14:12:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA29551 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:12:34 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA29544 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:12:33 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA00220; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:08:56 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199509122108.OAA00220@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Creating FreeBSD driver. How? To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: shamrock@netcom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199509122035.NAA02186@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Sep 12, 95 01:35:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1715 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > I got some National Semi's Hydra isoEthernet cards. Since I got more cards > > than normal PCs, I have been thinking about sticking one into my FreeBSD > > box. Of course I'd need a driver to get the iso part working. I got the iso > > drivers for DOS that came with the card. The normal ethernet part of the > > card can be standard NE2000. Of course if you use an NE2000 driver you are > > missing out on the iso part. How do I go about creating a driver for > > FreeBSD that will give full functionallity? Are there any faqs or other > > tips? I searched the FreeBSD web site without avail. > > Is there a Novell Server (not Client!) ODI driver for the thing? > > The ODI driver stuff may be easy to hack, depending on the driver > architecture. Specifically, if it uses polling or a not-busy interrupt, > then you are probably SOL and will need to write the driver from scratch. > > ISO by itself is meaningless (means International Standards Organization) > as far as telling us what the card capabilities are. It's probably just > a manufacturer name. I believe that thios card may impliment nat-semi's ISOCHRONOUS ethernet.. (isoenet) they use two unused states in the encoding of the data on the wire to pass synchronous data (or something).. I don't pretend to understand it exatly but did meet one of the engineers who worked on it when I was on holidays in Greece :) > > Since you say you've never done a driver before, you'll probably not have > sufficient information to do the ODI hack, which means it probably won't > get done. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 14:16:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA29732 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:16:36 -0700 Received: from mail1.digital.com (mail1.digital.com [204.123.2.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA29723 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:16:29 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com by mail1.digital.com; (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA25137; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:04:53 -0700 Received: from tempx.zuo.dec.com by mts-gw.pa.dec.com (5.65/09May94) id AA28226; Tue, 12 Sep 95 13:56:41 -0700 Received: from localhost by tempx.zuo.dec.com.zuo.dec.com; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/21Jun95-1247PM) id AA28693; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:56:38 +0200 Message-Id: <9509122056.AA28693@tempx.zuo.dec.com.zuo.dec.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: pascal@zuo.dec.com Reply-To: pascal@zuo.dec.com Subject: Enhancement to dd (conv=sparse) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 22:56:37 +0200 From: "Pascal Pederiva (Digital UNIX Support Switzerland)" X-Mts: smtp Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello here are the diffs of /usr/src/bin/dd ( 2.1.0-950726-SNAP ) to add an option to dd, which creates sparse files. It is just a half-hour midnight hack, so I am sure it needs some cleanup, but it work and I thought it might be interesting for others, too. Best regards, Pascal Pederiva ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +---------------------------+tm Pascal Pederiva | | | | | | | | Digital UNIX Software Support | d | i | g | i | t | a | l | DEC Digital Equipment Corporation | | | | | | | | Hofwisenstrasse 50 +---------------------------+ CH-8153 Ruemlang (Switzerland) email: pascal@zuo.dec.com phone: +41-1-801-2111 fax: +41-1-801-2172 *** /usr/src/bin/dd/args.c Sat Sep 24 04:54:42 1994 --- args.c Sun Sep 10 23:43:48 1995 *************** *** 281,286 **** --- 281,287 ---- { "oldascii", C_ASCII, C_EBCDIC, e2a_32V }, { "oldebcdic", C_EBCDIC, C_ASCII, a2e_32V }, { "oldibm", C_EBCDIC, C_ASCII, a2ibm_32V }, + { "sparse", C_SPARSE, 0, NULL }, { "osync", C_OSYNC, C_BS, NULL }, { "swab", C_SWAB, 0, NULL }, { "sync", C_SYNC, 0, NULL }, *** /usr/src/bin/dd/dd.c Wed Jan 18 00:04:29 1995 --- dd.c Mon Sep 11 00:55:34 1995 *************** *** 74,79 **** --- 74,80 ---- STAT st; /* statistics */ void (*cfunc) __P((void)); /* conversion function */ u_long cpy_cnt; /* # of blocks to copy */ + u_long pending=0; /* pending seek if sparse */ u_int ddflags; /* conversion options */ u_int cbsz; /* conversion block size */ u_int files_cnt = 1; /* # of files to copy */ *************** *** 341,347 **** memset(out.dbp, 0, out.dbsz - out.dbcnt); out.dbcnt = out.dbsz; } ! if (out.dbcnt) dd_out(1); } --- 342,348 ---- memset(out.dbp, 0, out.dbsz - out.dbcnt); out.dbcnt = out.dbsz; } ! if (out.dbcnt||pending) dd_out(1); } *************** *** 350,356 **** int force; { static int warned; ! int cnt, n, nw; u_char *outp; /* --- 351,357 ---- int force; { static int warned; ! int cnt, n, nw,i,sparse; u_char *outp; /* *************** *** 369,378 **** * One special case is if we're forced to do the write -- in that case * we play games with the buffer size, and it's usually a partial write. */ outp = out.db; for (n = force ? out.dbcnt : out.dbsz;; n = out.dbsz) { ! for (cnt = n;; cnt -= nw) { ! nw = write(out.fd, outp, cnt); if (nw <= 0) { if (nw == 0) errx(1, "%s: end of device", out.name); --- 370,416 ---- * One special case is if we're forced to do the write -- in that case * we play games with the buffer size, and it's usually a partial write. */ + outp = out.db; for (n = force ? out.dbcnt : out.dbsz;; n = out.dbsz) { ! for (cnt = n;; cnt -= nw) { ! sparse=0; ! if (ddflags & C_SPARSE) ! { ! sparse = 1; /* Is buffer sparse ? */ ! for (i=0; i < cnt; i++) ! if (outp[i] != 0) { ! sparse = 0; ! break; ! } ! } ! if(sparse && !force) ! { ! pending+=cnt; ! nw=cnt; ! }else ! { ! if(pending) ! { ! if(force)pending--; ! if (lseek (out.fd, pending, SEEK_CUR) == -1) { ! perror("dd seek error"); ! exit(2); ! } ! if(force)write(out.fd, outp, 1); ! pending=0; ! } ! if(cnt) ! { ! nw = write(out.fd, outp, cnt); ! }else ! { ! return; ! } ! } ! ! ! if (nw <= 0) { if (nw == 0) errx(1, "%s: end of device", out.name); *** /usr/src/bin/dd/dd.h Sun Sep 10 23:07:14 1995 --- dd.h Sun Sep 10 23:10:06 1995 *************** *** 95,97 **** --- 95,98 ---- #define C_UCASE 0x40000 #define C_UNBLOCK 0x80000 #define C_OSYNC 0x100000 + #define C_SPARSE 0x200000 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 15:09:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA04113 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:09:48 -0700 Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA04102 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:09:46 -0700 Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA11356; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:08:48 -0600 From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199509122208.QAA11356@hemi.com> Subject: Re: Creating FreeBSD driver. How? To: julian@ref.tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Cc: terry@lambert.org, shamrock@netcom.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509122108.OAA00220@ref.tfs.com> from "Julian Elischer" at Sep 12, 95 02:08:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 661 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > ISO by itself is meaningless (means International Standards Organization) > > as far as telling us what the card capabilities are. It's probably just > > a manufacturer name. > I believe that thios card may impliment nat-semi's > ISOCHRONOUS ethernet.. (isoenet) I think you're right. The isochronous stuff will work wonders for multimedia applications, since the rate data are sent/ received is "fixed." No more jerky video over the net. -Ade -------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - www: -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 15:20:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA04855 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:20:18 -0700 Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA04842 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:20:13 -0700 Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA11426 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:23:49 -0600 From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199509122223.QAA11426@hemi.com> Subject: xterm and status-line To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:23:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 745 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm running FreeBSD 2.0.5 and xfree86. The included xterm advertises that it has a status-line, but I haven't been able to figure it out (enable it or write to it.) I've tried the following code (fragment) so I can write to the status line: if (tgetflag ("hs")) { pEnterSL=tgetstr ("ts", &_capptr); tputs (pEnterSL, 1, outfn); ... I get garbage in the current cursor position. Currently I have a function which simply emulates a status line but I'd like to get the hardware stuff to work. Thanks for any hints, -Ade -------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - www: -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 16:08:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA10192 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:08:47 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA10045 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:08:36 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA03742; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:07:16 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199509122307.QAA03742@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: xterm and status-line To: mbarkah@hemi.com (Ade Barkah) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:07:15 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199509122223.QAA11426@hemi.com> from "Ade Barkah" at Sep 12, 95 04:23:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2724 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'm running FreeBSD 2.0.5 and xfree86. The included xterm > advertises that it has a status-line, but I haven't been > able to figure it out (enable it or write to it.) > > I've tried the following code (fragment) so I can write > to the status line: > > if (tgetflag ("hs")) { > pEnterSL=tgetstr ("ts", &_capptr); > tputs (pEnterSL, 1, outfn); > ... > > I get garbage in the current cursor position. Currently I have > a function which simply emulates a status line but I'd like > to get the hardware stuff to work. Typically, a status line on an ANSI escape sequence terminal is implemented using a scrolling region. This works on VMS because escape sequences are always written atomically. The Status line is updated by an escape sequence to get to the line, a data dump, and an escapesequence to end the dump. This is the same problem as transparent print, where an escape sequence, print data, and another escape sequence must occur atomically. The problem you will find in the UNIX case is that since not everyone uses atomically correct escape sequences from TERMCAP, you may in fact interrupt your application with your data, or interrupt your data with your application as writes are interleaved. Basically, all escape sequences must be transmitted in their entirety with the terminal (or emulator) in the ground state for the transmission to be successful. Several multiport board manufacturer's include transparent print devices as part of their board drivers. These operate by having an escape sequence automaton in the driver for the terminal type attached to the device; the atomicity of state 0 initiated sequence seta from one device or another are arbitrated in the kernel to ensure ground state for the mode switch. This is also ho DECServer's implement multisession on VT330/340's. This type of thing is also why VMS shells do not echo queued characters while an application is running. To ensure proper behaviour, you would have to guarantee the atomicity of the escape sequences in the tput() code in the termcap, and you would have to guarantee that everyone abided by this rule by using the library instead of doing their own I/O. That means no more apps that do 'puts("\033[2J");" to clear the screen, etc. (use of standard I/O could break the writes up such that an interleaved I/O from another application was not atomic). If you could guarantee atomicity like this (VMS does it by expressly supporting a subset of all terminal types), then it's a short way to transparent printing, status lines, and VMS style "broadcast" alerts. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 16:50:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA14845 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:50:28 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA14839 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:50:26 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00217 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:50:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199509122350.QAA00217@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: on line kernel symbols? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:50:22 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, I forgot what was the "magic" switch to load symbols at boot time so for instance , I can type: break ad1848_interrupt Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 17:22:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA17060 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:22:55 -0700 Received: from netcom3.netcom.com (root@netcom3.netcom.com [192.100.81.103]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA17054 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:22:54 -0700 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA03266; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:19:25 -0700 X-Sender: shamrock@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:26:28 -0800 To: Terry Lambert From: shamrock@netcom.com (Lucky Green) Subject: Re: Creating FreeBSD driver. How? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 13:35 9/12/95, Terry Lambert wrote: >ISO by itself is meaningless (means International Standards Organization) >as far as telling us what the card capabilities are. It's probably just >a manufacturer name. Isochronous Ethernet, short isoEthernet, (IEEE 802.9a) is a standard that allows the transmission of a regular 10Mbps Ethernet *and* 96 ISDN B-channels over the same existing 10baseT wiring, using a single network card. Delay within the extra B-channels stays constant regardless of load, up to their maximum 64kbps per channel. The Ethernet part of isoEthernet behaves just as a normal Ethernet, but whatever is going on in the Ethernet does not affect the ISDN channels in any way. Ideal for video conferencing, voice, and other real time services. My favorite demo of this technology is running a video conference over a couple of the ISDN channels and showing an Ethernet load monitor on the same screen. proving that no packets are moving over the Ethernet. Then I ftp a huge file from a RAM drive on an ftp server and there is no impact at all on the video qualitly. You got to see it to believe it. Very hot stuff. National Semi makes the chip sets (not yet for sale) and has produced some reference implementations of them, their Hydra cards (don't even bother trying to get some out of National), several of which are in my possession. >Since you say you've never done a driver before, you'll probably not have >sufficient information to do the ODI hack, which means it probably won't >get done. I now know that I need more info from National to create a driver for a new OS. They are very slow in providing it. We'll get it eventually. Once we do, I'll be back asking you folks for some more help on writing drivers :-) Meanwhile, I'll just use this spare $3000 (alpha, production version will be not much more expensive than today's Ethernet cards) card in its non-isochronous NE2000 compatible mode on my FreeBSD server. What a waste. -- Lucky Green PGP encrypted mail preferred. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 18:04:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA19361 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:04:05 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA19352 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:04:04 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA10217; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:02:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA00166; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:05:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199509130105.SAA00166@corbin.Root.COM> To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: on line kernel symbols? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Sep 95 16:50:22 PDT." <199509122350.QAA00217@rah.star-gate.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:05:07 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I forgot what was the "magic" switch to load symbols at boot time >so for instance , I can type: > >break ad1848_interrupt If you have current boot blocks and you have DDB in your kernel, then the symbols are automatically loaded and preserved. No options are needed. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 18:09:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA19948 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:09:36 -0700 Received: from maui.com (langfod@waena.mrtc.maui.com [199.4.33.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA19940 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:09:34 -0700 Received: (from langfod@localhost) by maui.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA13864 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:13:10 -1000 From: David Langford Message-Id: <199509130113.PAA13864@ maui.com> Subject: One-way RIP??? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:13:10 -1000 (HST) X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 822 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Is there a way to tell the system not to broadcast or pass RIP information our a specific interface? "Network A" --RIP--> "FreeBSD Router" --RIP--> "Network B" I need RIP traffic inside of "Network B" and I dont mind RIP information from "Network A" going into "Network B" but I cannot have RIP information from "Network B" going into "Network A". Do I need to use IPFW or Gated to do this or is there a hack that will turn off routed noise on a specific interface. Hope this makes sense. Thank you. -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------\ | David Langford - Kihei, Maui, Hawaii - langfod@maui.com | | Maui Research and Technology Center -- Network Administrator | \--------------------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 20:03:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA29893 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:03:59 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA29875 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:03:46 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA19273 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:59:47 +1000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:59:47 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199509130259.MAA19273@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: higher density diskettes Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> ... The FreeBSD driver uses a head >> settle delay of hz/16 ticks, i.e., between 50 and 60 ms. This is much >> longer than necessary. I think the spec is 15 msec. >The spec suffers from a lack of reality. We've once had hz/32, and >got (too) many problem reports. That's why the more conservative >value has been used. Perhaps the extra delay is compensating for a bug elsewhere. >I know that the existing driver is not at the end of optimization, but >i'm not sure whether a potential gain of 25 % or less in speed would >be worth the effort. People usually only recognize speed changes by a >factor of 2 or more. 25% was for the simple sequential case that the existing driver handles best. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 21:17:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA05627 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:17:31 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA05609 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:17:27 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA12156 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:14:00 -0500 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA00403; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:11:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:11:31 -0500 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199509130211.VAA00403@bonkers.taronga.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 1.1.5.1 disklabel under 2.x? Newsgroups: taronga.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: <199509121241.OAA00208@gil> Organization: Taronga Park BBS Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article <199509121241.OAA00208@gil> you write: >Only a short answer: >is it is or is it ain't possible to read a 1.1.5.1 disklabel >(i.e. mount a 1.1.5.1 disk) under 2.x? Yes. >It looks to me it ain't. >I'm getting 'bad Superblock'. I had no problem, but I didn't fdisk and used real geometry. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 22:33:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA08903 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:33:44 -0700 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (pp@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA08897 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:33:40 -0700 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <06225-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:32:58 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id PAA27936 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:21:30 +1000 Received: by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id FAA01496; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 05:22:27 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 05:22:27 GMT From: Stephen Hocking Message-Id: <199509130522.FAA01496@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: New Caldera & why we should get Linux compat working 100% Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Given what's been announced below, I think further work on Linux compatibility is a must... > >In <432og0$a9t@news1.halcyon.com>, natew@coho.halcyon.com (Nathan Waddoups) writes: > >>Too few users will bother to learn what sed/vi/awk/grep/whatever even DO >>when they can get turnkey Windows machines and Macs with Notepad and the >>like. >> >>The Caldera desktop will be a big step forward. >> >>Then we need apps that do things that are day-to-day useful for more of >>the populace. Heck, most of the DEVELOPERS I work with don't know what >>awk does. >> >>When Linux has a word processor, spreadsheet, and database that is as >>user friendly as the offerings from MSoft and the like, it will have a >>chance of becoming popular. Until then, it's a sideshow. > >Big full-page spread from Caldera in this month's Linux Journal. >They announced a $600 package (to be delivered "soon") that has: > >Wordperfect for Linux (apparently it's real). This is an X-based >version with toolbars, menus, etc. > >An X-based spreadsheet called NeXess (sp?) that offers, among >other features, the ability to link sheets across the network. > >Motif libraries > >The Crisp GUI editor > >Linux (with www, mail, ftp, and news servers) and the Caldera >desktop package (drag & drop, Netware, GUI admin tools, etc) with >various enhancements not in Preview I. > >Just FYI. > > >--- > Bob Hauck Wasatch Communications Group > bobh@wasatch.com Data (24 hrs): 801-272-3792 > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Sep 12 22:48:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA09209 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:48:21 -0700 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com (mcstout@netcom23.netcom.com [192.100.81.137]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA09203 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:48:20 -0700 Received: by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id WAA06357; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:44:40 -0700 From: mcstout@netcom.com (Mark C. Stout) Message-Id: <199509130544.WAA06357@netcom23.netcom.com> Subject: New Installation To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:44:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Anon-To: mcs@vpm.com X-Anon-Password: wn31X37yU=0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2007 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, I'm new to this list and I'm also new to FreeBSD. I just installed the 'bin' diskset onto a P5/75 w/32MB Ram on a Zappa ED motherboard. I can login in single user mode and mount my fs by running fstab. This allows me to have read/write access. My question is. How do I get the necessary libraries? Also, where is vi and some of the other normal utilities for Unix. What's the FreeBSD syntax for mounting a floppy? Basically, what's the fstype used? How do I install packages? proflib.aa-ad I tried using the config program, but it just says that it can't read the disk, that I don't have all the files. Are there more? This is a test server and will serve as such for testing scriupts and such, then migrated to another similar machine to go onto the Internet, providing I get the damn thing configured and running properly. I'd like to install someother packages, like tcsh, gzip, etc. But haven't a clue how FreeBSD mounts floppies, installs packages. I have no libraries, compilers, nada and don't have a clue right now about how to install them. Getting them isn't a problem except for the libraries. Don't see any that seem appropriate, except the Xfree86 stuff which I also need to install. Once I get all this done, I'll setup sup to keep current. I desperately need some help here to get me over this learning curve. If it's any constellation, I do know Unix, i.e. Linux, SunOS and SystemV, so my learning curve isn't going to be that steep, just need a few nudges. Would appreciate all the help I can get right now. Thanks, Mark -- ========================================================================== Mark Stout | The Village Potpourri Mall: http://www.vpm.com/ ---------------+---------------------------------------------------------- VPM Enterprises; P.O.Box 6427; Folsom, CA 95763-6427 Commercial Internet Sales, Marketing and Advertising Specialist ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 06:17:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA23583 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 06:17:40 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA23576 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 06:17:28 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA15909 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 07:47:25 -0500 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA15336 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 07:41:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 07:41:24 -0500 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199509131241.HAA15336@bonkers.taronga.com> Newsgroups: junk Subject: Re: xterm and status-line References: <199509122223.QAA11426@hemi.com> <199509122307.QAA03742@phaeton.artisoft.com> Organization: Taronga Park BBS Apparently-To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article <199509122307.QAA03742@phaeton.artisoft.com>, Terry Lambert wrote: >That means no more apps that do 'puts("\033[2J");" to clear the screen, >etc. (use of standard I/O could break the writes up such that an >interleaved I/O from another application was not atomic). In the old days before line-buffered stdio everyone used to do all their own fflushes at appropriate places so this just worked. You just had to guarantee write-ordering and everything worked. But now everyone's lazy and forgets to fflush. They even leave the sseat up! From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 06:50:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA24065 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 06:50:34 -0700 Received: from gw0.telebase.com (root@gw0.telebase.com [192.132.57.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA24059 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 06:50:32 -0700 Received: from wormhole.telebase.com by gw0.telebase.com id JAA07204 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:57:09 -0400 Received: from enterprise.telebase.com (tootill@enterprise.telebase.com [192.132.57.250]) by wormhole.telebase.com (8.6.12/8.6.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12222 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:07:57 -0400 Received: (from tootill@localhost) by enterprise.telebase.com (8.6.10/8.6.9.1) id JAA15660; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:51:45 -0400 From: Ed Tootill Message-Id: <199509131351.JAA15660@telebase.com.> Subject: pcnfsd To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tootill@telebase.com (Ed Tootill) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1111 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Help. I'm having problems with pcnfs mounting a partition from a FreeBSD machine. When I attempt to mount an exported file system from BSD using both "net use G: mach:/a" and intries in the drives.bat file I get "PCNFS 251F: The NET USE failed with an internal error code of 1007." When attempt to mount using \nfs\mt command I get: "Unable to connect to resource '/a' from server . Reason: authentication error. The server is unable to authenticate your username in order to determine whether or not you have permission to perform. . . " The Unix PC's have FreeBsd 2.0.5 installed. The DOS PC's have pcnfs5.1 installed and can mount partitions successfully from a Solaris machine. The FreeBSD /etc/exports file is configured correctly since I can mount the partition to my Linux PC. I have /etc/netgroup setup to trust the PC's. I have tried several user ids and all fail. The pcnfsd is recently compiled from the pcnfs release \src directory. Questions: Do I need a special version of pcnfsd for FreeBSD? What simple part of basic unix security did I miss? Any help will be appreciated. Ed From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 07:01:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA24273 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 07:01:18 -0700 Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA24255 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 07:01:11 -0700 Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.6.12/BSD4.4) id AAA12753; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:00:42 +1000 From: michael butler Message-Id: <199509131400.AAA12753@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: Re: pcnfsd To: tootill@telebase.com (Ed Tootill) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:00:42 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509131351.JAA15660@telebase.com.> from "Ed Tootill" at Sep 13, 95 09:51:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 356 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ed Tootill writes: > I'm having problems with pcnfs mounting a partition from a FreeBSD > machine. Try modifying /etc/rc such that mountd is run as follows ... if [ "X${nfs_server}" = X"YES" -a -r /etc/exports ]; then echo -n ' mountd'; mountd -n echo -n ' nfsd'; nfsd -u -t 4 fi .. the "-n" is necessary for PC-based NFS to function, michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 08:04:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA12910 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:04:29 -0700 Received: from itsdsv1.enc.edu (itsdsv1.enc.edu [199.93.252.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA12902 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:04:24 -0700 Received: (from owensc@localhost) by itsdsv1.enc.edu (8.6.11/8.7.2 rev 08/22/95) id LAA11475; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:03:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:03:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Owens To: hackers list FreeBSD cc: leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Subject: re: smfs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk { From: "Marty Leisner" Subject: ksmfs in bsd/sunos kernels... Linux has ksmfs (a Samba file system...) I like it, its fairly clever... Anyone want to point me at something to look at (code preferred) on how to register a file system in a device driver (I assume it works almost the same was in SunOS and BSD?) } [my reply:] I've been using the regular samba package for a while now and like it very much. The only problem I see is that for each user connected, a new smbd process gets spawned with a size ranging from 500K to 1meg. This limits the number of users I can support. For this reason, I'm VERY interested in seeing/helping smfs get ported to FreeBSD. Are you pursuing this? Anyone else? Any way I can help? later, --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu "I read somewhere to learn is to Information Technology Services remember... and I've learned that Eastern Nazarene College we've all forgot..." - King's X ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 09:25:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA15663 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:25:34 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA15625 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:25:25 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id SAA18973 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:24:55 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA00536 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:24:55 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA04359 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:46:11 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509131446.QAA04359@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: on line kernel symbols? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:46:11 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509130105.SAA00166@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Sep 12, 95 06:05:07 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 583 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As David Greenman wrote: > > >I forgot what was the "magic" switch to load symbols at boot time > If you have current boot blocks and you have DDB in your kernel, then the > symbols are automatically loaded and preserved. No options are needed. If you want to shoot in your foot, try booting a "-g" kernel. :-) It will happily consume 8 MB of physical RAM... non-pageable, of course. (If you want to avoid this, strip -x it before.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 09:25:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA15735 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 10:04:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA17317 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:04:12 -0700 Received: from bnr.ca (x400gate.bnr.ca [192.58.194.73]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA17255 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:03:55 -0700 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:03:24 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:02:42 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:00:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:00:00 +0100 X400-Originator: /dd.id=cnt60637/g=barry/i=ba/s=scott/@bnr.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars520.b.498:13.08.95.17.02.42] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Windows NT BO... From: "barry (b.a.) scott" Message-ID: <"29534 Wed Sep 13 13:03:02 1995"@bnr.ca> To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: mark@buyit.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, barry@scottb.demon.co.uk Subject: Windows NT BOOT conflict with MBR boot manager - solution known Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Windows NT uses a few bytes before the partition table to keep something it calls the "disk signature" in. I think its using 4 bytes before the partition table only. The MBR boot manager is installed in the space before the the partition table and over writes the 4 bytes used by Windows NT. The MBR boot manager install program needs to be modified to take the Windows NT use of the MBR into acount. e.g. memcpy 4 less bytes. The MBR program itself needs to be made 4 bytes shorter as its an exact fit before the partition table. I would suggest that the simplest way to shrink the boot.bin program is to shortern some of the partion type names. e.g. 386BSD to FBSD linux in lnx etc. I'll post updated sources once I've layed my hands on a ASM to build and test a new .boot.bin file. BArry From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 10:07:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA17742 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:07:59 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17736 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:07:55 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA07619; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:06:49 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199509131706.KAA07619@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: New Caldera & why we should get Linux compat working 100% To: sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au (Stephen Hocking) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:06:49 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199509130522.FAA01496@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> from "Stephen Hocking" at Sep 13, 95 05:22:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 369 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Given what's been announced below, I think further work on Linux > compatibility is a must... Anyone got a copy of the Caldera stuff? The most amusing thing I can think to use it for is to make all their binaries run on BSD. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 10:08:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA17790 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:08:41 -0700 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17784 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:08:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA01954 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:11:43 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199509131711.TAA01954@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: EPP/ECP parallel port modes ? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:11:43 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 767 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know what are the various operating modes available on the newer parallel ports ? The controllers report the following: SPP EPP ECP I believe SPP is the standard mode, EPP might be the bidirectional mode (but don't know if the handshake lines change), and have no idea of what ECP stands for. Any information (or pointers) on this appreciated. Thanks Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 10:13:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA17956 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:13:28 -0700 Received: from news.NetDTW.com (news.NetDTW.com [192.160.70.145]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17950 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:13:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by news.NetDTW.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA05532; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:13:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:13:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Corso Subject: Re: Kernel & fixit diskette (fwd) To: FreeBSD hackers In-Reply-To: <199509131436.QAA04272@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello All, Based on everyone's comments yesterday, I tested and know that: 1. kzip will compress the kernel. 2. Using login will fix the identification problem. Of course, you do need to also include the skey lib during linking. There are a few other minor details that are important, like having a spwd.db file in the etc directory. I will send to someone (someone please tell me who) the description of exactly what I am doing, what my restore method is, along with a modified makefile for doing it. My baisc approach is to back up the machine onto another machine's tape drive (no big deal with dump), but, then to make sure that I could do a total restore from the ground up. My thanks to all of you, Steve Corso On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, J Wunsch wrote: > As Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > 1. How do you crunch the actual kernel itself? The Makefile I have does > > > not do this. > > > > It is gzip'pped; the loader understands this. > > Actually, the loader doesn't care. It simply loads the file (and it > has been advised to load it at 0x300000), and starts it. Instead of > starting a kernel, it will start the decompressor, which decompresses > the image to 0x100000. > > > > 2. How do you establish your identify when you boot single user? I ask this > > > because rlogin (off the fixit) reports that it does not know its user > > > name, and, a rlogin -l xxx does not resolve the issue. > > > > By logging in. > > > > I know, this is an odd answer. > > > > The problem is that the user is retrieved from information initialized by > > login, but you have not really used login when you boot into a shell in > > single user mode. > > You should better look into the code, Terry: > > if (!(pw = getpwuid(uid = getuid()))) { > (void)fprintf(stderr, "rlogin: unknown user id.\n"); > exit(1); > } > if (!user) > user = pw->pw_name; > > The problem is that the fixit floppy contains a dummy spwd.db file (an > empty one). Hence the above logic will fail. You have to bit the > bullet and bloat your fixit floppy by a 40 KB long real spwd.db. > (Even if you've got only "root" there, the db file will be 40 KB. :( ) > > Alternatively, you can hack the rlogin on the floppy to avoid this > check. > > If you need more space on the fixit floppy, move the kernel over into > the root directory of another floppy, and exchange the media after > loading the kernel. > > Don't forget to establish a small /usr/share/misc/termcap file on the > fixit floppy. You might need it if you wanna run "vi". :) > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 10:22:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA18392 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:22:26 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA18384 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:22:25 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA07690; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:21:26 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199509131721.KAA07690@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Kernel & fixit diskette (fwd) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:21:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: steve@news.netdtw.com In-Reply-To: <199509131436.QAA04272@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Sep 13, 95 04:36:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1613 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > 2. How do you establish your identify when you boot single user? > > > I ask this because rlogin (off the fixit) reports that it does > > > not know its user name, and, a rlogin -l xxx does not resolve > > > the issue. > > > > By logging in. > > > > I know, this is an odd answer. > > > > The problem is that the user is retrieved from information initialized by > > login, but you have not really used login when you boot into a shell in > > single user mode. > > You should better look into the code, Terry: > > if (!(pw = getpwuid(uid = getuid()))) { > (void)fprintf(stderr, "rlogin: unknown user id.\n"); > exit(1); > } > if (!user) > user = pw->pw_name; > > The problem is that the fixit floppy contains a dummy spwd.db file (an > empty one). Hence the above logic will fail. You have to bit the > bullet and bloat your fixit floppy by a 40 KB long real spwd.db. > (Even if you've got only "root" there, the db file will be 40 KB. :( ) > > Alternatively, you can hack the rlogin on the floppy to avoid this > check. Say, this is really broken. I just assumed that the rlogin code was good. Silly me. It should be getting the name from getlogin(), since uid's do not have to be unique between multiple user names. Someone want to fix rlogin? The fix should be #ifdef'ed for code compatability reasons. Ideally, /etc/utmp would be preferred to getpwuid(getuid()). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 10:39:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA19095 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:39:28 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA19089 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:39:26 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA07708; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:37:52 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199509131737.KAA07708@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: smfs To: owensc@enc.edu (Charles Owens) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:37:52 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com In-Reply-To: from "Charles Owens" at Sep 13, 95 11:03:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2436 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I've been using the regular samba package for a while now and like it > very much. The only problem I see is that for each user connected, a new > smbd process gets spawned with a size ranging from 500K to 1meg. This > limits the number of users I can support. > > For this reason, I'm VERY interested in seeing/helping smfs get ported to > FreeBSD. Are you pursuing this? Anyone else? Any way I can help? Why would porting smbfs (a kernel-level file system UNIX client) help the smbd (a user-level SMB UNIX server) process count? Also: You know that the smbfs "logs in" as a single client into an SMB server (possibly smbd on another box) and thus has only a single credential authenticated, that credential to be used by all UNIX users the kernel funnels through the file system, right? To truly support this, the per process credentials structure would need to be expanded to include SMB authentication credentials so that the authentication of SMB clients was done on the basis of one SMB user per one UNIX user. Then there's still the problem of causing a credential request callback from kernel to user space to support the fact that the UNIX login and the SMB login don't use a unified password database and enforcement mechanism. UNIX doesn't support a broadcast/bradcast-reply mechanism. The closest you can get is requiring the user to run a graphical interface like X and run a process to answer the callbacks and pop up the requester. The alternative is unencrypted UNIX passwords flying over your wire. Or one credential per UNIX box instead of one credential per UNIX user. Which is the same thing as granting world permissions to all UNIX users on a UNIX box for all files accessable under the box's credential. This leads to some "interesting" security anomolies. After 3 years of work on the UnixWare NetWare Client filesystem, there are still problems like this. The next step was adding directory services credentials to each UNIX user. This begs the question of what credentials the processes involved in boot use until networking is up and a Directory Services NDS branch becomes available to use for authentication. Oh, an ugly, ugly problem. If you go to implement this, at least think about the issues involved before just blindly implementing. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 11:57:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA21509 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:57:49 -0700 Received: from itsdsv1.enc.edu (itsdsv1.enc.edu [199.93.252.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA21503 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:57:47 -0700 Received: (from owensc@localhost) by itsdsv1.enc.edu (8.6.11/8.7.2 rev 08/22/95) id OAA12633; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:55:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Owens To: Terry Lambert cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Subject: Re: smfs In-Reply-To: <199509131737.KAA07708@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > You know that the smbfs "logs in" as a single client into an SMB server > (possibly smbd on another box) and thus has only a single credential > authenticated, that credential to be used by all UNIX users the kernel > funnels through the file system, right? Ugh... I was NOT aware that it was such an ugly beast. To be honest, I haven't dug very deeply into this. I've been pleased with the regular samba package, and I simply assumed that a kernal-based solution would be more effecient than it (memory-usage-wise). Apparently, though, smfs, is NOT a functional replacement for samba. I stand corrected. > If you go to implement this, at least think about the issues involved > before just blindly implementing. But of course! It's good to know we can all count on this list to rescue us from our blindness. :-) thanks, --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu "I read somewhere to learn is to Information Technology Services remember... and I've learned that Eastern Nazarene College we've all forgot..." - King's X ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 12:13:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA22243 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:13:41 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA22237 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:13:39 -0700 Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA04080; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:09:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199509131909.MAA04080@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: Charles Owens cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Subject: Re: smfs In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:55:16 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:09:43 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Curious , could a kerberos like authentication help with the smbs authentication problem? Tnks, Amancio >>> Charles Owens said: > On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > You know that the smbfs "logs in" as a single client into an SMB server > > (possibly smbd on another box) and thus has only a single credential > > authenticated, that credential to be used by all UNIX users the kernel > > funnels through the file system, right? > > Ugh... I was NOT aware that it was such an ugly beast. > To be honest, I haven't dug very deeply into this. I've been pleased with > the regular samba package, and I simply assumed that a kernal-based > solution would be more effecient than it (memory-usage-wise). Apparently, > though, smfs, is NOT a functional replacement for samba. I stand corrected. > > > If you go to implement this, at least think about the issues involved > > before just blindly implementing. > > But of course! It's good to know we can all count on this list to rescue > us from our blindness. :-) > > thanks, > --- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Charles Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu > "I read somewhere to learn is to > Information Technology Services remember... and I've learned that > Eastern Nazarene College we've all forgot..." - King's X > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 12:33:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA22883 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:33:00 -0700 Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA22873 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:32:58 -0700 Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ssxYG-0009XyC; Wed, 13 Sep 95 12:32 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:32:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 'talk' doesn't work! Did it ever? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On my FreeBSD box at home, the 'talk' command has never worked to talk to anyone over TCP/IP, but instead just hangs on "[Checking for invitation on callers' machine]". At first I chalked this up to a PPP misconfiguration (since I have dynamic IP assignment, when I was using Linux I had to manually change the hostname to "user??.lightside.com" every time I logged in or else I would have the same problem). But now I just noticed my experimental FreeBSD Pentium at work, which is Ethernetted, has the exact same problem! The source code to talk looks pretty simple, I should be able to track down the problem later today, and see if it's universal or a misconfiguration on my part. Also, my box at home is running 2.0.5-RELEASE but at work it's running "-current" so if there is a problem, it hasn't been fixed yet. Before I start tearing into the source, does anyone have any ideas as to what's wrong? ---Jake Hamby jehamby@lightside.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 12:48:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA23954 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:48:16 -0700 Received: from strider.ibenet.it (root@[194.179.130.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA23938 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:47:51 -0700 Received: (from piero@localhost) by strider.ibenet.it (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA05413; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:50:35 +0200 From: Piero Serini Message-Id: <199509131950.VAA05413@strider.ibenet.it> Subject: Re: 'talk' doesn't work! Did it ever? To: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:50:35 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jake Hamby" at Sep 13, 95 12:32:54 pm Reply-To: piero@strider.ibenet.it Operating-System: FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 X-Phone-Number: +39 (2) 58113562 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1073 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello. Quoting from Jake Hamby (Wed Sep 13 21:32:54 1995): > On my FreeBSD box at home, the 'talk' command has never worked to talk to > anyone over TCP/IP, but instead just hangs on "[Checking for invitation ... > just noticed my experimental FreeBSD Pentium at work, which is > Ethernetted, has the exact same problem! ... > problem, it hasn't been fixed yet. Before I start tearing into the > source, does anyone have any ideas as to what's wrong? Check your network configuration (netstat -nr). talk always worked on FBSD, the 1st thing that cpomes to mind is your default gateway. Also, look for a line similar to: 194.179.130.1 127.0.0.1 UGH 2 76803 lo0 - - so that requests for your own machine don't go to the network and use the loopback instead. This problem belongs to -questions mailing list. Bye, -- # $Id: .signature,v 1.12 1995/08/14 12:10:54 piero Exp $ Piero Serini Via Giambologna, 1 I 20136 Milano - ITALY From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 13:00:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA24491 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:00:46 -0700 Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA24483 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:00:43 -0700 Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA23074; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:00:00 -0400 Received: (aa028@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA13041; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:00:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:00:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad Hutchings To: hackers@freebsd.org cc: bob@freenet.hamilton.on.ca Subject: Help installing v2.0.5 (newbie) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have been trying to install Walnut Creek's FreeBSD v2.0.5 without success. Hardware identified and changed in the config at boot. Trying to install from a MAT-CD 562. The hard disk is partition into 3 slices and each is labeled wd01a, wd01b (swap) and wd01e. When commit is executed, the following error occurs: DEBUG> Starting Emergency holographic shell over the 4th screen. And then it traps FATAL 12 supervisor write to page, page does not exist. Machine subsequently boots. Can you please suggest a partitioning and labeling scheme for a 200 M IDE drive. I wold like to use X-Windows as one of hte options. I am devoting this machine entirely to u**x with no partitions for DOS. Thank-you in advance. Please reply to both myself and Bob as we are both working on this project. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 13:01:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA24560 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:01:53 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA24554 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:01:51 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA08030; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:58:46 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199509131958.MAA08030@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: smfs To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:58:46 -0700 (MST) Cc: owensc@enc.edu, terry@lambert.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com In-Reply-To: <199509131909.MAA04080@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Sep 13, 95 12:09:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3846 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Curious , could a kerberos like authentication help with the > smbs authentication problem? Changing the UNIX authentication to be identical to the SMB authentication would fix the problem. Changing the SMB authentication to be identical to the UNIX authentication would fix the problem. Setting up a translation mechanism so that SMB credentials could be automatically translated into UNIX credentials would fix the problem (but would compromise UNIX security, since you would need to use SMB credentials for UNIX logins). Setting up a translation mechanism so that UNIX credentials could be automatically translated into SMB credentials would fix the problem (but would require a rewrite at the SMB server level, since SMB server authentication mechanisms are only exported at the SMB login interface and it would be impossible to verify them otherwise). The only other soloution, as already mentioned, is to provide some method of asynchronously querying the user for their SMB credentials when they cross the mount point into an SMB filesystem on a lookup. I suppose you could provide the equivalent of a "net use" command for use in user space, and deny the lookup until such time as that had occurred. This would treat each login instance as a "machine instance". Since you can't have password database unification in this scheme, you either have to leave passwords lying around or the user has to authenticate twice (one to UNIX to get logeed into his "machine" and once to the SMB credential holder in the kernel. To account for SUID and other activity, you'd have to tag the credential to the standard UNIX per process/group credential inheritance mechanism, which would mean expanding the credential structure in any case. This would still leave you hanging in the wind for, for instance, storage of score and data files for SUID/SGID games, etc. on SMB volumes. Almost any way you look at it, it amounts to modifying the UNIX credential instances so that an instance is shared between all processes that are authenticated as a particular user. This is necessary because of the xterm SUID phenomenon, where a program needs to do something on a user's behalf as a credential with a different identity from the base user, then return itself or a subprocess following a fork to the base user identitty. Consider a Sybase database on an SMBFS volume, or consider multiple xterms on a single login "session". The UNIX credential model is near to breaking in many cases, and in any case where a potential alias exists or is created as a result of an action of the original alias. In the case of an SUID 'bob' program run by 'joe', the 'SMB joe' credential doesn't want to be inherited by the 'bob' process. In the case of an SUID 'root' nee SUID 'joe' program run by 'joe' (like our xterm example), the 'SMB joe' credential doesn't want to be inherited by the 'root' process, but DOES want to be inherited by the second 'joe'. The idea of a credential being associated with a process rather than referenced by a process is quite broken. especially given the large mass of UNIX software that exists that doesn't do a "getsmbuid"/"setsmbuid" (said "smbuid" needing to be astructure to contain the authentication data -- namely the SMB password -- for reference instances). It gets worse, and the worse it gets, the more it looks like a rewrite of the credential mechanism in UNIX systems to deal with the issue in broad strokes. The fine details of "how do I create a non-UNIX credential associated with a UNIX credential when the only UNIX credential creation tool is setuid/setgid in login" is almost a secondary concern. I've thought a little bit about this problem before. 8-(. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 13:15:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA25084 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:15:19 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA25075 ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:15:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:15:18 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199509132015.NAA25075@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hackers@freebsd.org, jehamby@lightside.com Subject: Re: 'talk' doesn't work! Did it ever? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk What's the byte-order of the target machine? There's a byte-order related bug in old talk programs. Usually bites you when trying to talk to SunOS machines. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 13:15:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA25126 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:15:39 -0700 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA25115 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:15:35 -0700 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA00726 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:19:08 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA09794 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:15:10 +0100 Received: by iafnl.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA10553 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:56:36 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.8/8.6.6) id UAA00713 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 20:12:16 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199509131812.UAA00713@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: please send me ref to PCI bus docs To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 20:12:16 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 497 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Gents (Ladies?) I remember seeing some refs to PCI bus docs go by. I didn't need them at the time, but now I do (at work ;-). Any pointers are welcome (to me directly, not to the list please) Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 13:52:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA26120 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:52:32 -0700 Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA26112 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:52:29 -0700 Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ssynC-0009XmC; Wed, 13 Sep 95 13:52 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby To: Jeffrey Hsu cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 'talk' doesn't work! Did it ever? In-Reply-To: <199509132015.NAA25075@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Jeffrey Hsu wrote: > What's the byte-order of the target machine? There's a byte-order related > bug in old talk programs. Usually bites you when trying to talk to SunOS > machines. > Yeah, I was trying to talk to a SunOS box (and a Solaris box) as test cases. The problem is that there is an ntalk daemon in /etc/inetd.conf but no talkd! And it looks like both SunOS and Solaris only support the old protocol on port 517 but FreeBSD only supports the new protocol on port 518. Talking to a Linux machine worked okay. Which brings me to this question: If Linux uses the talk daemon out of BSD, and Linux can talk to Solaris/SunOS boxes (well some of the time) then what is it doing right? I think the answer lies in the fact that I normally use ytalk on Linux but hadn't gotten around to compiling it for FreeBSD, and ytalk does falls back to the old talk protocol if ntalk doesn't work. I'll compile ytalk for FreeBSD and see if that helps matters any. Oh, and sorry for posting to hackers when I should've posted to questions... But, since the FreeBSD->Sun compatibility problem hasn't been solved yet, perhaps this is a -hackers problem after all! ---Jake Hamby jehamby@lightside.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 14:34:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA27307 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:34:29 -0700 Received: from strider.ibenet.it (root@[194.179.130.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA27259 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:33:32 -0700 Received: (from piero@localhost) by strider.ibenet.it (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA00499; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 23:24:20 +0200 From: Piero Serini Message-Id: <199509132124.XAA00499@strider.ibenet.it> Subject: Re: 'talk' doesn't work! Did it ever? To: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 23:24:20 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: Hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Hackers' List) In-Reply-To: from "Jake Hamby" at Sep 13, 95 01:52:26 pm Reply-To: piero@strider.ibenet.it Operating-System: FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 X-Phone-Number: +39 (2) 58113562 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 984 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello. Quoting from Jake Hamby (Wed Sep 13 22:52:26 1995): > Yeah, I was trying to talk to a SunOS box (and a Solaris box) as test > cases. The problem is that there is an ntalk daemon in /etc/inetd.conf ... > Oh, and sorry for posting to hackers when I should've posted to > questions... But, since the FreeBSD->Sun compatibility problem hasn't > been solved yet, perhaps this is a -hackers problem after all! Sorry. I didn't mean to bite. What I understood from your original message was that talk didn't work for you, *ever*. This has been asked many times in the past, and solved by proper network configuration. That's why I wrote it belonged to -questions. If the problem (as is) is a compatibility issue, yes, that's for hackers. Have a nice day, -- # $Id: .signature,v 1.12 1995/08/14 12:10:54 piero Exp $ Piero Serini Via Giambologna, 1 I 20136 Milano - ITALY From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 14:50:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA27712 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:50:59 -0700 Received: from healer.com (healer-gw.Empire.Net [205.164.80.204]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA27690 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:50:03 -0700 Received: (from gryphon@localhost) by healer.com (8.6.11/8.6.9.1) id RAA02844; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:48:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:48:34 -0400 From: Coranth Gryphon Message-Id: <199509132148.RAA02844@healer.com> To: owensc@enc.edu, terry@lambert.org Subject: Re: smfs Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > You know that the smbfs "logs in" as a single client into an SMB server > (possibly smbd on another box) and thus has only a single credential > authenticated, that credential to be used by all UNIX users the kernel > funnels through the file system, right? From: Charles Owens : >the regular samba package, and I simply assumed that a kernal-based >solution would be more effecient than it (memory-usage-wise). Apparently, >though, smfs, is NOT a functional replacement for samba. I stand corrected. "smbfs" is the counterpart to samba. The latter allows PC's to use unix drives. The former allows Unix systems to read PC Drives. Since PC's do not normally implement user-level security, such cannot be reasolable implemented without maintaining all the security information on the unix side of the transaction. On the other hand, a lot of people are interested in an SMBFS port, so don't let the fact that it is not what you thought it was stop you :-) -coranth ------------------------------------------+------------------------+ Coranth Gryphon | "Faith Manages." | | - Satai Delenn | Phone: 603-598-3440 Fax: 603-598-3430 +------------------------+ USMail: 11 Carver St, Nashua, NH 03060 Disclaimer: All these words are yours, except Europa... From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 14:55:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA27886 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:55:26 -0700 Received: from healer.com (healer-gw.Empire.Net [205.164.80.204]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA27877 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:55:20 -0700 Received: (from gryphon@localhost) by healer.com (8.6.11/8.6.9.1) id RAA02862; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:53:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:53:09 -0400 From: Coranth Gryphon Message-Id: <199509132153.RAA02862@healer.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org, jehamby@lightside.com Subject: Re: 'talk' doesn't work! Did it ever? Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk From: Jake Hamby > On my FreeBSD box at home, the 'talk' command has never worked to talk to > ... > problem, it hasn't been fixed yet. Before I start tearing into the > source, does anyone have any ideas as to what's wrong? It's been working fine for me on 2.0R and 2.0.5R The "Checking for Invitation" does occur of either site maintains a firewall (or router filtering) preventing the sockets from being opened. I ran into this a few times, but eventually (after modifying the filter rules) everything worked fine. The problem also occurs (as you mentioned) when the forward and reverse DNS lookups do not match in what you report at connect time vs. the address resolution. There has to be some way to solve this problem with sites that use dynamic addressing, but I'll be danged if I've come up with one yet. -coranth ------------------------------------------+------------------------+ Coranth Gryphon | "Faith Manages." | | - Satai Delenn | Phone: 603-598-3440 Fax: 603-598-3430 +------------------------+ USMail: 11 Carver St, Nashua, NH 03060 Disclaimer: All these words are yours, except Europa... From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 15:04:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA28240 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:04:34 -0700 Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA28233 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:04:32 -0700 Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sszuu-0009Y1C; Wed, 13 Sep 95 15:04 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:04:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby To: Piero Serini cc: "FreeBSD Hackers' List" Subject: Re: 'talk' doesn't work! Did it ever? In-Reply-To: <199509132124.XAA00499@strider.ibenet.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Piero Serini wrote: > Hello. > > Quoting from Jake Hamby (Wed Sep 13 22:52:26 1995): > > Yeah, I was trying to talk to a SunOS box (and a Solaris box) as test > > cases. The problem is that there is an ntalk daemon in /etc/inetd.conf > ... > > Oh, and sorry for posting to hackers when I should've posted to > > questions... But, since the FreeBSD->Sun compatibility problem hasn't > > been solved yet, perhaps this is a -hackers problem after all! > > Sorry. I didn't mean to bite. > > What I understood from your original message was that talk didn't > work for you, *ever*. This has been asked many times in the past, > and solved by proper network configuration. That's why I wrote it > belonged to -questions. > > If the problem (as is) is a compatibility issue, yes, that's for > hackers. > No problem. Actually it does appear to be a compatibility issue, and I'm not sure how FreeBSD should resolve it. It appears that some of the most popular OS's (Solaris and SunOS in particular) only support the old talk daemon, which doesn't come with FreeBSD. Running 'ytalk' on FreeBSD will connect with these OS's, but the catch is that the person you're paging has to use ytalk on THEIR end or THEY get a [Checking for invitation on caller's machine] message too! It looks like Linux has an in.ntalkd which supports both protocols (at any rate, it's running on both ports 517 and 518). Is there any possibility to throw in in.talkd for backwards compatibility or patch in.ntalkd? Or just leave the situation the way it is and warn people in the FAQ? ---Jake Hamby jehamby@lightside.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 15:16:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA28617 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:16:04 -0700 Received: from uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de (root@uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de [131.220.8.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA28606 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:15:51 -0700 Received: from oink.rhein.de (oink.rhein.de [193.175.27.130]) by uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de (8.6.12-ws8/8.6.10-ws2) with ESMTP id AAA26036; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:11:46 +0200 Received: (from noses@localhost) by oink.rhein.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA13708; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:11:44 +0200 Message-Id: <199509132211.AAA13708@oink.rhein.de> Subject: Re: smfs To: gryphon@healer.com (Coranth Gryphon) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:11:43 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: owensc@enc.edu, terry@lambert.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com In-Reply-To: <199509132148.RAA02844@healer.com> from "Coranth Gryphon" at Sep 13, 95 05:48:34 pm From: noses@oink.rhein.de (Noses) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 875 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > > You know that the smbfs "logs in" as a single client into an SMB server > > (possibly smbd on another box) and thus has only a single credential > > authenticated, that credential to be used by all UNIX users the kernel > > funnels through the file system, right? That sounds a bit sloppy; you could as well pass on the users' credentials. > Since PC's do not normally implement user-level security, such cannot > be reasolable implemented without maintaining all the security information > on the unix side of the transaction. I love it when people are talking about PCs in general - I guess a PC running FreeBSD DOES know about the "unix side of a transaction". But a number of other operating systems aren't that blind either (e.g. Win NT, Win 95 (getting it's user database from a Netware server) or even OS/2). Achim From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 15:16:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA28656 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:16:41 -0700 Received: from healer.com (healer-gw.Empire.Net [205.164.80.204]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA28607 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:15:56 -0700 Received: (from gryphon@localhost) by healer.com (8.6.11/8.6.9.1) id SAA02926; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:15:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:15:30 -0400 From: Coranth Gryphon Message-Id: <199509132215.SAA02926@healer.com> To: brad.hutchings@freenet.hamilton.on.ca, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help installing v2.0.5 (newbie) Cc: bob@freenet.hamilton.on.ca Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk From: Brad Hutchings > to install from a MAT-CD 562. I've run into similar problems with a Mitsumi CD (old 8bit card) It panics (same error) and reboots. That I can't help with. > Can you please suggest a partitioning and labeling scheme for a 200 M IDE Here's what I use on such drives: wd0a / 32M wd0s1b swap 16M wd0s1e /var 16M wd0s1f /usr 140M (or whatever's left) > I wold like to use X-Windows as one of hte options. Really difficult with that small a drive, since X takes up 50MB just to itself, and (from what I've seen) want's a lot of memory hence a lot of swap space. Hard drives are fairly cheep, so you might want to think about either getting another small drive (second hand as they are not made anymore), or just spending around $200 to throw a 1Gig IDE drive into the beast. -coranth ------------------------------------------+------------------------+ Coranth Gryphon | "Faith Manages." | | - Satai Delenn | Phone: 603-598-3440 Fax: 603-598-3430 +------------------------+ USMail: 11 Carver St, Nashua, NH 03060 Disclaimer: All these words are yours, except Europa... From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 16:42:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA00873 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:42:50 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA00867 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:42:49 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA08418; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:34:48 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199509132334.QAA08418@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: smfs To: noses@oink.rhein.de (Noses) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:34:48 -0700 (MST) Cc: gryphon@healer.com, owensc@enc.edu, terry@lambert.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com In-Reply-To: <199509132211.AAA13708@oink.rhein.de> from "Noses" at Sep 14, 95 00:11:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3017 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > You know that the smbfs "logs in" as a single client into an SMB server > > > (possibly smbd on another box) and thus has only a single credential > > > authenticated, that credential to be used by all UNIX users the kernel > > > funnels through the file system, right? > > That sounds a bit sloppy; you could as well pass on the users' credentials. Really? Say 'bob' is logged into a UNIX box. He cd's to the mounted smbfs partition. What exactly are 'bob''s user credentials tanslated into SMB credentials? Hos does the file system map the uid/gid par for the request into SMB credentials without asking 'bob' to login? Note that the server won't take my word for "this is actually bob and I authenticated him so you can just trust me and not as him to authenticate himself". Sloppy or not, it's the only option. > > Since PC's do not normally implement user-level security, such cannot > > be reasolable implemented without maintaining all the security information > > on the unix side of the transaction. > > I love it when people are talking about PCs in general - I guess a PC > running FreeBSD DOES know about the "unix side of a transaction". But > a number of other operating systems aren't that blind either (e.g. Win NT, > Win 95 (getting it's user database from a Netware server) or even OS/2). I think you misunderstood him. If I have to resolve the credentials on my side of the wire before pushing the request to the server ("here is my connection and session ID that I got when I gave you my username and password from this machine before") then I must establish a connection in the first place and fabricate a session ID (perfectly legal; session ID's are client conveniences only). NFS deals with this by pushing the credential resolution to the server using "my machine has permission to access your file system, as long as your machine enforces access based on the ID's that you trust my machine to provide to your machine on the basis of requests originating in my machines kernel". Basically "here are my preauthenticated credentials, trust them no matter what connection I use". It is the difference between authenticating to the server ("client/server": the SMB model) and authenticating to the network ("peer-server": the NFS model). The idea of authenticating to the network is what pushed the develeopement of NDS (Novell Directory Services) in the first place. I see no analog to NIS or NDS in SMB that will allow me to request the server proxy pre-authenticated credentials on behalf of a multiuser box with local trusted authentication. If you can provide one, then the problem is on the way to being solved; however, this will be a difficult task if the server we are talking about is an NT or WFWG or Samba server, since the wire protocol has no concept of proxy resoloution. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 17:04:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA01171 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:04:28 -0700 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (pp@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA01164 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:04:26 -0700 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <17263-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:03:25 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id KAA12861 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:08:14 +1000 Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id AAA06438 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:09:21 GMT Message-Id: <199509140009.AAA06438@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Encouraging the author to keep g77 upto date for FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:09:20 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On the g77 mailing list, this was one of the messages from the author. Jordan, do you think we could send him a 2.0.5 CD? ------- Forwarded Message Received: from pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id UAA04679 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 20:06:09 GMT Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with MHSnet id GAA08102 for sysseh; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:03:33 +1000 Received: from gnu-life.ai.mit.edu by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 05:56:56 +1000 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by gnu-life.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) with SMTP id KAA09119 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:42:18 -0400 Received: by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for info-gnu-fortran-gnu-life@gnu-life.ai.mit.edu id AA16694; Wed, 13 Sep 95 10:42:15 EDT Received: from gnu-life.ai.mit.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for /usr/lib/sendmail -odb -oi -finfo-gnu-fortran-ownrr@prep.ai.mit.e du info-gnu-fortran-gnu-life@gnu-life.ai.mit.edu id AA16684; Wed, 13 Sep 95 10:41:54 EDT Received: by gnu-life.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id KAA09024; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:09:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:09:37 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <199509131409.KAA09024@gnu-life.ai.mit.edu> Received: from apple-gunkies.gnu.ai.mit.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) for gnu id AA01540; Thu, 31 Aug 95 18:33:10 EDT Received: by apple-gunkies.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id SAA05118; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 18:02:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:27:50 -0400 From: Craig Burley Sender: gnu@prep.ai.mit.edu Message-Id: <199508312202.SAA05118@apple-gunkies.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: info-gnu-fortran@prep.ai.mit.edu Cc: suse@suse.de Subject: Goodwill and Happiness All Around... Resent-From: info-gnu-fortran-request@prep.ai.mit.edu I just received a package in the mail today. It contains one box named "S.u.S.E. Linux" that contains a largish manual of the same title (plus "Unix fur PCs"), a 3CD set of the same title, all dated April 1995, and a separately packaged 4CD set called "LINUX aktuell!" which is dated July 1995. Apparently this is the result of my responding positively to email asking if I'd be willing to receive a FREE copy of these materials. This email was sent in late June, and I had forgotten all about it... until today. The email was sent to me, as I recall, because they found that I was one of the authors of software they were including in the package -- specifically, GNU Fortran -- and they wanted to reward the people who put significant time and effort into the software they were repackaging into this format. I certainly appreciate the people at email address suse@suse.de for such a generous offer, as this is exactly the sort of thing that can not only maintain current levels of enthusiasm for writing freely redistributable software source code, but greatly increase them! It is likely that having this material available to me will greatly speed up the inevitable process I must go through of upgrading my 20-month-old patchwork Linux software installation, which will ultimately result in my having a faster file system (ext2 vs. ext) on my primary system partition, thus making me more productive. Who knows, I might even install X and get it up and running.... Now, of course, I have two new action items on my agenda: 1. Buy a CD-ROM drive. 2. Ask my wife to brush up on her German language skills so she can translate the manual for me. :-) tq vm, (burley) ------- End of Forwarded Message I do not speak for the Worker's Compensation Board of Queensland - They don't pay me enough for that! From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 17:08:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA01293 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:08:58 -0700 Received: from argus.iadfw.net (argus.iadfw.net [204.178.72.68]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA01286 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:08:55 -0700 Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by argus.iadfw.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA02499 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:08:42 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199509140008.TAA02499@argus.iadfw.net> Subject: Dallas Show To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:08:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 776 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I know this doesn't belong in -hackers, but... If any of you out there get a chance to get to the any of the major shows [like Dallas right now], stop by the Walnut Creek booth!!! I at long last got my FreeBSD tee-shirt and poster! I really dig the temporary tattoos!!! They also had a full selection from the catalog, as well as a friendly booth crew! Since the show here is both for networking and WinDoze, I promptly donned my tee to plug a REAL OS!!!!!!!!! Jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" jbryant@argus.iadfw.net, Sr. System/Network Admin, Internet America From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 17:10:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA01385 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:10:04 -0700 Received: from iaehv.IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [192.87.208.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA01367 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:09:55 -0700 Received: from adv.iaehv.nl by iaehv.IAEhv.nl (8.6.12/1.63) id CAA24475; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:09:46 +0200 X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. Received: by adv.iaehv.nl (8.6.11/1.63) id CAA02805; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:06:16 +0200 From: devet@adv.IAEhv.nl (Arjan de Vet) Message-Id: <199509140006.CAA02805@adv.iaehv.nl> Subject: ppp-iij filter and IP-fragments To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:06:16 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1690 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've been experimenting with the filter in ppp-iij and noticed that some connections would hang with the following input filter: # allow reply packets set ifilter 0 permit tcp dst gt 1023 estab # allow ftp-data connections set ifilter 1 permit tcp src eq 20 dst gt 1023 # allow rlogin connections set ifilter 2 permit tcp src eq 513 estab # allow identd lookups (to avoid long waits with IAE) set ifilter 3 permit tcp dst eq 113 # allow DNS replies set ifilter 4 permit udp src eq 53 # allow ping set ifilter 5 permit icmp # allow traceroute > 33433 set ifilter 6 permit udp dst gt 33433 # deny everything else set ifilter 7 deny 0/0 0/0 The problem was with the `estab' keyword in rule 0 which checks for ACK-bits on incoming packets. I found out that all fragments (except the first one) of a fragmented packet were dropped because the sport, dport and estab variables contained bogus information in that case. So I added the following code to /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/ip.c: --- ip.c.orig Tue May 30 05:50:37 1995 +++ ip.c Thu Sep 14 01:45:23 1995 @@ -131,6 +131,11 @@ sport = dport = 0; for (n = 0; n < MAXFILTERS; n++) { if (fp->action) { + /* permit fragments on in and out filter */ + if ((direction == FL_IN || direction == FL_OUT) && + (pip->ip_off & IP_OFFMASK) != 0) { + return(A_PERMIT); + } #ifdef DEBUG logprintf("rule = %d\n", n); #endif I hope the fix is correct, I just started using FreeBSD at my own machine 4 days ago... Arjan -- Arjan de Vet (IAE) Internet Access Eindhoven (IAE) (home) URL: http://www.IAEhv.nl/iae/people/devet/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 17:42:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA02515 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:42:01 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA02509 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:41:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA11665 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:41:55 -0700 Prev-Resent: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:41:55 -0700 Prev-Resent: "hackers@freebsd.org " Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [192.216.222.4]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA10925 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:35:23 -0700 Received: from rocoto.aug.com (rocoto.aug.com [205.216.79.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA25648 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:35:20 -0700 Received: (from erich@localhost) by rocoto.aug.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA02339 for jkh@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:35:17 -0400 From: "Eric L. Hinson" Message-Id: <199509132035.QAA02339@rocoto.aug.com> Subject: FreeBSD 2.0.5 and RISCom/8 boards... To: jkh@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:35:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2756 Resent-To: hackers@freebsd.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:41:55 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <11663.811039315@time.cdrom.com> Resent-From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, I have installed a RISCom/8 board in a FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE machine I am using for a Free-Net system here in St. Augustine, FL. (We also have two FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE boxes, one as a shell machine and one as a web server for the ISP we run). I have corresponded with Andrey Chernov (one of the authors of the rc.c and rcreg.h code that make up the driver), and have been unsuccessful in getting the board to function under FreeBSD. In the mean time, I slapped together a 'terminal server' consisting of a 386DX/40 w/8 megs, a RISCom/8, ethernet board, 540meg drive and BSDI. :( As you can imagine, I'd like *very* much to have the FreeBSD machine handle this instead. (had a few annoying run-ins with BSDI's "tech support" passing the buck and such that didn't sit to well with me. The FreeBSD community (Including Geoff Rehmet who helped me durring the early stages of our ISP with our single 1.1.5.1 box) has been so helpful in providing assistance, information, etc. I am curious as to how you would go about determining what is wrong and how to go about making the driver work. I have done all the stuff needed on the hardware/software end (configured the board for correct irq and base io address, created devices, set up /etc/ttys entries, etc..). The board is recognized by the kernel. When I attempt to connect to the board via tip (set up /etc/remote and all that good stuff) I am not able to issue commands to the modem. A friend took the 2.2-CURRENT RISCom/8 drivers and modified them to try to get them to work with the 2.1-STABLE system, we had some success, but still incountered anomalies. (such as lost characters at higher speeds than 19200 port speed, seeing the FreeBSD banner and login prompt when dialing into the port, but not getting a responce when typing in a login name (no characters echo, etc..). Sorry for the long message, I didn't intend for it to get that out of hand. Any help/ideas/suggestions you may have would be greatly appreciated. You guys keep up the great work with FreeBSD! :) I can say that we would certainly not be where we are today (our ISP has 340 users in a year of being online and still growing even in little ole St. Augustine) if it were not for the killer job you all have done here. I want to write a message to put in the "Cool uses for FreeBSD" section of your web page describing what we've been up to here. Take care. And thanks for your help. Eric -- Eric L. Hinson :: Unix Sys Admin :: Internet E-Mail: erich@aug.com AugLink Communications, Inc. :: My Home Page: http://www.aug.com/~erich/ Saint Augustine, Florida U.S.A. :: Old City page: http://www.oldcity.com/ "The deer may forget the snare, but the snare does not forget the deer." From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 18:02:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA03070 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:02:46 -0700 Received: from irbs.irbs.com (irbs.com [199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03064 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:02:43 -0700 Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA22176; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:01:41 -0400 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199509140101.VAA22176@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: 'talk' doesn't work! Did it ever? To: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Cc: piero@strider.ibenet.it, Hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Jake Hamby" at Sep 13, 95 03:04:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 238 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Talk has problems on a dual-homed machine. It will use the address that corresponds to the hostname on the machine and pass it to the remote talk daemon. Result is you can talk to hosts on one netowrk only. John Capo IRBS Engineering From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 18:16:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA03751 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:16:28 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA03745 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:16:25 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA23382 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:49:02 -0500 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA01025 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:38:35 -0500 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199509140038.TAA01025@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Craig Burley and FreeBSD To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:38:34 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 254 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I don't think he'd be interested in running FreeBSD. He's totally commited to GPL software... though he's not aggro about people pushing other free software distributions like some of the GNU people are. He's also a really cool guy, at least in email... From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 19:46:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA07846 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:46:39 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA07824 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:46:33 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA24468 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:34:29 -0500 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA02805 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:11:52 -0500 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199509140211.VAA02805@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Help... need custom install disk... To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:11:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 114 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I need a custom install disk with a modified adaptec driver. Or instructions for how to put one together. Anyone? From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 21:04:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA16525 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:04:04 -0700 Received: from healer.com (healer-gw.Empire.Net [205.164.80.204]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA16511 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:03:59 -0700 Received: (from gryphon@localhost) by healer.com (8.6.11/8.6.9.1) id AAA03605; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:05:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:05:00 -0400 From: Coranth Gryphon Message-Id: <199509140405.AAA03605@healer.com> To: gryphon@healer.com, noses@oink.rhein.de Subject: Re: smfs Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com, owensc@enc.edu, terry@lambert.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk From: noses@oink.rhein.de (Noses) > I love it when people are talking about PCs in general - I guess a PC > running FreeBSD DOES know about the "unix side of a transaction". But > a number of other operating systems aren't that blind either (e.g. Win NT, > Win 95 (getting it's user database from a Netware server) or even OS/2). OK. PC's running Windows. Which is what SMB was designed for and around. I wasn't talking about NT (and you don't really get security there unless you run NTFS partitions) nor OS/2 (which I ignore on general principals) or Netware (which doesn't talk SMB either). I was using "PC" in the general sense of the term, not translating it to "Intel-based hardware platform". -coranth ------------------------------------------+------------------------+ Coranth Gryphon | "Faith Manages." | | - Satai Delenn | Phone: 603-598-3440 Fax: 603-598-3430 +------------------------+ USMail: 11 Carver St, Nashua, NH 03060 Disclaimer: All these words are yours, except Europa... From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 21:10:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA17054 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:10:22 -0700 Received: from bubba.tribe.com ([205.184.207.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA17046 ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:10:21 -0700 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.tribe.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA20138; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:09:01 -0700 From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199509140409.VAA20138@bubba.tribe.com> Subject: Re: Threads,... To: rmillian@espuma.servtech.com (rmillian) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509130127.SAA21824@freefall.freebsd.org> from "rmillian" at Sep 12, 95 09:26:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 973 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk rmillian@espuma.servtech.com (rmillian) writes: > Is FreeBSD multithreaded? If not are there plans to make it multithreaded? > What is someone were to try and port Java and HotJava to FreeBSD? (See > http:\\java.sun.com) I had a thought the other day re this and was wondering if it would work... With SYSV memory sharing, you can share memory between processes. A program image contains text regions and data regions. Now suppose you had a way of creating a shared memory region just big enough to hold your data image, and then mapping your data image into it. And your heap, if possible, (so malloc()'d data could be shared). Voila, now you can fork() a new thread... I'm not familiar with how object files are linked (relocatable data segments?) etc., but it *seems* like it would be easy... -Archie _______________________________________________________________________________ Archie L. Cobbs, archie@tribe.com * Tribe Computer Works http://www.tribe.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 21:22:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA17848 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:22:23 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA17842 ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:22:20 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA02219; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:20:56 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199509140420.VAA02219@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Threads,... To: archie@tribe.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: rmillian@espuma.servtech.com, questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509140409.VAA20138@bubba.tribe.com> from "Archie Cobbs" at Sep 13, 95 09:08:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1143 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This is the theory behinf 'rfork' which allows the parent to decide what resources will be shared with the child. > > > rmillian@espuma.servtech.com (rmillian) writes: > > > Is FreeBSD multithreaded? If not are there plans to make it multithreaded? > > What is someone were to try and port Java and HotJava to FreeBSD? (See > > http:\\java.sun.com) > > I had a thought the other day re this and was wondering if it would work... > > With SYSV memory sharing, you can share memory between processes. > A program image contains text regions and data regions. Now suppose > you had a way of creating a shared memory region just big enough to > hold your data image, and then mapping your data image into it. And > your heap, if possible, (so malloc()'d data could be shared). > > Voila, now you can fork() a new thread... > > I'm not familiar with how object files are linked (relocatable data > segments?) etc., but it *seems* like it would be easy... > > -Archie > _______________________________________________________________________________ > Archie L. Cobbs, archie@tribe.com * Tribe Computer Works http://www.tribe.com > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Sep 13 23:14:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA24221 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 23:14:14 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA24214 for hackers; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 23:14:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 23:14:13 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199509140614.XAA24214@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hackers Subject: oh oh! Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk making the kernel.. from a freshly checked out sys tree.. cc -O -pipe -I/a/julian/src/sys/libkern -I/a/julian/src/sys/libkern/.. -DKERNEL -c adddi3.c -o adddi3.o In file included from quad.h:57, from adddi3.c:40: /a/julian/src/sys/libkern/../sys/types.h:72: parse error before `off_t' /a/julian/src/sys/libkern/../sys/types.h:72: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /a/julian/src/sys/libkern/../sys/types.h:73: parse error before `pid_t' /a/julian/src/sys/libkern/../sys/types.h:73: warning: data definition has no type or storage class *** Error code 1 eh? anyone changed something recently that would do this? julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 00:24:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA28587 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:24:57 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA28581 ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:24:53 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA02527; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:24:50 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199509140724.AAA02527@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: oh oh! To: julian@freefall.freebsd.org (Julian Elischer) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509140614.XAA24214@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Julian Elischer" at Sep 13, 95 11:14:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1350 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk on investigation: sys/types.h:72 is: typedef _BSD_OFF_T_ off_t; /* file offset */ where BSD_OFF_T is defined in i386/include/ansi.h but the files in /sys/libkern are looking in machine/ansi.h as the /sys doesn't COME with a machine directory in it, it is looking I presume in /usr/include/machine which has an old version without BSD_OFF_T this is dangerous! it means we are picking up old include files if we checkout a new sys tree! is there a suggested way of fixing this? I just quickly made a symlink machine -> i386/include and it all magically fixed, but I bet the depend.mk has the wrong one in it now.. (going to check) julian > > making the kernel.. > from a freshly checked out sys tree.. > cc -O -pipe -I/a/julian/src/sys/libkern -I/a/julian/src/sys/libkern/.. -DKERNEL -c adddi3.c -o adddi3.o > In file included from quad.h:57, > from adddi3.c:40: > /a/julian/src/sys/libkern/../sys/types.h:72: parse error before `off_t' > /a/julian/src/sys/libkern/../sys/types.h:72: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > /a/julian/src/sys/libkern/../sys/types.h:73: parse error before `pid_t' > /a/julian/src/sys/libkern/../sys/types.h:73: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > *** Error code 1 > > eh? > > anyone changed something recently that would do this? > > julian > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 00:58:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA29749 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:58:05 -0700 Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.7.230]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA29743 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:57:59 -0700 Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes D-66041 Saarbruecken, Germany Received: from macrosun.ee.uni-sb.de with SMTP by uni-sb.de (5.65++/UniSB-2.2/950911) id AA09039; Thu, 14 Sep 95 09:57:41 +0200 Received: by ee.uni-sb.de; Thu, 14 Sep 95 10:02:22 +0200 From: "Joachim Koenig" Message-Id: <9509140802.AA14755@microdesk8.ee.uni-sb.de> Received: by microdesk8.ee.uni-sb.de; Thu, 14 Sep 95 10:02:06 +0200 Subject: Re: EPP/ECP parallel port modes ? To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:02:04 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199509131711.TAA01954@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Sep 13, 95 07:11:43 pm Reply-To: joachim@ee.uni-sb.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 4394 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Luigi Rizzo wrote: >Does anyone know what are the various operating modes available on the >newer parallel ports ? The controllers report the following: > > SPP EPP ECP > >I believe SPP is the standard mode, EPP might be the bidirectional mode >(but don't know if the handshake lines change), and have no idea of >what ECP stands for. There are two things to consider: 1) IEEE1284-standard: This standard defines some operation modes for parallel connections as view of the cable signals. Among these are SPP: standard parallel port mode EPP: enhanced parallel port mode ECP: enhanced capabilities port mode An IEEE1284 complying device starts up in SPP-mode and the standard defines signal sequences to detect, if a peripheral supports these enhanced modes and to switch to/from these modes. In principle, these enhanced modes give a stable communication protocol by using some kind of 4-edge handshake. By using harder timing requirements, higher communication speeds are also possible (up to about 2MB/sec) EPP and ECP are bidirectional, half duplex communication modes. In order to use these with a standard PC parallel port, the data lines must be capable of being tristated (known as PS2-mode). But these modes can be implemented in software, that is by programming the control-lines and analyzing the status lines. The standard also defines two reverse modes with standard parallel ports, one 8 bit bidirectional mode, requiring a tristatable data port and a 4 bit wide nibble mode, where the reverse information (from the peripheral) is send over the status lines. All HP Laserjet 4 and 5 printers implement nibble mode. But this software-approach does not lead to higher transmission speeds, because a lot of (slow) port accesses are needed to implement the complex handshake. So, to achieve higher speeds, these modes have to be implemented in hardware! And this is not defined in IEEE1284. But ..... 2) Microsoft/HP specification of an IEEE1284 compliant parallel port, as seen on the ISA bus This specification is some kind of a mirror of the cable signals as ISA port signals at some base + offset addresses plus some words to hardware implementation of the E*P modes and how to enable/disable them (again controlled via ports at some specific offsets) To make things a bit more complicated, some control/status signals are inverted between cable and what the CPU sees (port), and some are not. Typically, hardware implementations of EPP do the handshaking without control and status port accesses, once enabled. One drawback is that they keep the ISA bus occupied until the data has been received and acknowledged by the reciever. To avoid bus hangups if the device does not respond quickly enough, it generates an interrupt after a some microseconds in this case. But if the device is fast enough, high transmission speeds are possible. ECP on the other hand uses FIFOs and DMA to speed things up even more, with less overhead for a UNIX like operating system. The FIFO mode can even be used for the SPP mode in forward direction. The additional control/status/configuration ports of such a device are at base+400+offset. This does not conflict with other devices as only 10 bits are normally decoded for ISA ports, which masks out the 1 in 400, giving the same addresses as base + offset which correspond to the parallel port. There are currently only few peripherals, which support these enhanced modes, but some hardware implementations of EPP & ECP are available for the ISA bus: SMC FDC37C665, SMC FDC37C666 from Standard Microsystems Corp. A similar chip by National Semiconductor an Intel Chip (sorry, no number). So, what about a driver? I've written an IEEE1284 device driver, which implements parallel port fifo mode, nibble and byte reverse mode, but not yet EPP,ECP because of lacking peripherals supporting these, but the hooks are there. It's still alpha I think, but I would appreciate some testers, so write me some email, if you are interested. One minor glitch: I've written it for NetBSD, but the differences for FreeBSD should be small. Joachim -- email: joachim@ee.uni-sb.de University of Saarland, Germany, Europe phone: +49 681 3023043 suffering should be creative, fax: 2678 should give birth to something good and lovely From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 01:36:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA00694 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:36:09 -0700 Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA00688 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:36:04 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA00871; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:33:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: joachim@ee.uni-sb.de cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: EPP/ECP parallel port modes ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:02:04 +0200." <9509140802.AA14755@microdesk8.ee.uni-sb.de> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:33:43 -0700 Message-ID: <869.811067623@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > So, what about a driver? > I've written an IEEE1284 device driver, which implements parallel port > fifo mode, nibble and byte reverse mode, but not yet EPP,ECP because of > lacking peripherals supporting these, but the hooks are there. What we really should look at is a faster TCP/IP on the parallel port... Dare to do that ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 02:11:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA01921 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:11:29 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA01911 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:11:19 -0700 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA06612 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:27:57 +0200 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:27:57 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199509140827.KAA06612@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: telnet probs Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk With a 950726-SNAP system I'm seeing the following telnet/telnetd strangeness: I'm logging in via telnet (slip, via netblazer, then ethernet) scunix> telnet gil Trying 137.226.31.2... Connected to gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE. Escape character is '^]'. FreeBSD (gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de) (ttyp3) And if I wouldn't type a at this point it would hang until timeout after 300s. The other strange thing I often observed is that when doing a telnet login the first time into a host that was freshly booted (I'm not sure if this is a necessary condition) I'm getting a Connection closed by foreign host. immediately. Retrying a second time then gives me the connection. --Chris Christoph P. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 02:58:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA02822 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:58:34 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA02816 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:58:32 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id CAA14664 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 02:56:55 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA25051 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:51:16 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA10928 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:51:16 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09119 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:18:34 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509140918.LAA09119@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Help... need custom install disk... To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:18:33 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509140211.VAA02805@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Sep 13, 95 09:11:51 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 600 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Peter da Silva wrote: > > I need a custom install disk with a modified adaptec driver. Or instructions > for how to put one together. Anyone? Create a two-floppy set. Floppy 1: disklabel -r -w -B fd0 fd1200 newfs -t 2 -u 15 -i 65536 -l 1 /dev/rfd0a mount /dev/fd0a /mnt cp custom.kernel /mnt/kernel umount /mnt Floppy 2: the regular boot.flp After the kernel has been loaded (perhaps with -c to give you a "safe" time window), swap the floppies. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 03:10:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id DAA03345 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 03:10:42 -0700 Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA03339 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 03:10:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA00211; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:59:01 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199509140959.LAA00211@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: EPP/ECP parallel port modes ? To: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:59:00 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: joachim@ee.uni-sb.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <869.811067623@critter.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Sep 14, 95 01:33:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1147 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I've written an IEEE1284 device driver, which implements parallel port > > fifo mode, nibble and byte reverse mode, but not yet EPP,ECP because of > > lacking peripherals supporting these, but the hooks are there. > > What we really should look at is a faster TCP/IP on the parallel port... It is not only that, actually. A bidir. port with possibly exposed interrupt and other bus lines would allow hardware types to connect a variety of home-built devices and write drivers for them. An example: there are very cheap (US$10) flash AD converter which can be used to sample video signals. They work reasonably with a sample rate of 1MB/s or more. I have done this on a spare IDE card, but the parallel port connector is way easier to use. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 05:04:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA07857 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 05:04:47 -0700 Received: from Relay1.Austria.EU.net (relay1.Austria.EU.net [192.92.138.47]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA07839 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 05:04:43 -0700 From: marino.ladavac@aut.alcatel.at Received: from aut.alcatel.at (dnisun.aut.alcatel.at) by Relay1.Austria.EU.net with SMTP id AA19305 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:04:29 +0200 Received: from atuhc16 by aut.alcatel.at (4.1/SMI-4.1/AAA-1.29/main) id AA26273; Thu, 14 Sep 95 14:04:27 +0200 Message-Id: <9509141204.AA26273@atuhc16.aut.alcatel.at> Received: by atuhc16 (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA17899; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:04:19 +0200 Subject: Re: EPP/ECP parallel port modes ? To: joachim@ee.uni-sb.de Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 14:04:18 METDST Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9509140802.AA14755@microdesk8.ee.uni-sb.de>; from "Joachim Koenig" at Sep 14, 95 10:02 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Luigi Rizzo wrote: > >Does anyone know what are the various operating modes available on the > >newer parallel ports ? The controllers report the following: > > > > SPP EPP ECP > > > >I believe SPP is the standard mode, EPP might be the bidirectional mode > >(but don't know if the handshake lines change), and have no idea of > >what ECP stands for. > Typically, hardware implementations of EPP do the handshaking without > control and status port accesses, once enabled. One drawback is that > they keep the ISA bus occupied until the data has been received and > acknowledged by the reciever. To avoid bus hangups if the device does > not respond quickly enough, it generates an interrupt after a some > microseconds in this case. But if the device is fast enough, high > transmission speeds are possible. > ECP on the other hand uses FIFOs and DMA to speed things up even more, > with less overhead for a UNIX like operating system. The FIFO mode > can even be used for the SPP mode in forward direction. > The additional control/status/configuration ports of such a device > are at base+400+offset. This does not conflict with other devices > as only 10 bits are normally decoded for ISA ports, which masks out > the 1 in 400, giving the same addresses as base + offset which > correspond to the parallel port. > > There are currently only few peripherals, which support these enhanced > modes, but some hardware implementations of EPP & ECP are available for the > ISA bus: > SMC FDC37C665, SMC FDC37C666 from Standard Microsystems Corp. > A similar chip by National Semiconductor > an Intel Chip (sorry, no number). > So, what about a driver? > I've written an IEEE1284 device driver, which implements parallel port > fifo mode, nibble and byte reverse mode, but not yet EPP,ECP because of > lacking peripherals supporting these, but the hooks are there. > It's still alpha I think, but I would appreciate some testers, so write > me some email, if you are interested. One minor glitch: I've written it > for NetBSD, but the differences for FreeBSD should be small. > Joachim It definitely does interest me, especially as I have a dumb Laserjet clone hanging off parallel port. I could sure use faster bitmap transfer :) Any chance to get a hold of your driver? I'd like to try to patch it into 2.0.5R. /Alby > -- > email: joachim@ee.uni-sb.de University of Saarland, Germany, Europe > phone: +49 681 3023043 suffering should be creative, > fax: 2678 should give birth to something good and lovely > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 05:46:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA09185 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 05:46:17 -0700 Received: from Relay1.Austria.EU.net (relay1.Austria.EU.net [192.92.138.47]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA09177 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 05:46:12 -0700 From: marino.ladavac@aut.alcatel.at Received: from aut.alcatel.at (dnisun.aut.alcatel.at) by Relay1.Austria.EU.net with SMTP id AA20205 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:45:58 +0200 Received: from atuhc16 by aut.alcatel.at (4.1/SMI-4.1/AAA-1.29/main) id AA26609; Thu, 14 Sep 95 14:45:56 +0200 Message-Id: <9509141245.AA26609@atuhc16.aut.alcatel.at> Received: by atuhc16 (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA17916; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:45:49 +0200 Subject: Re: Threads,... To: julian@ref.tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 14:45:49 METDST Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509140420.VAA02219@ref.tfs.com>; from "Julian Elischer" at Sep 13, 95 9:20 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > This is the theory behinf 'rfork' > which allows the parent to decide what resources will be shared with the child. This was also the idea behind, now long deceased, VIPER kernel threads project. IMHO, Plan9 does it cleaner. > > > > > > rmillian@espuma.servtech.com (rmillian) writes: > > > > > Is FreeBSD multithreaded? If not are there plans to make it multithreaded? > > > What is someone were to try and port Java and HotJava to FreeBSD? (See > > > http:\\java.sun.com) > > > > I had a thought the other day re this and was wondering if it would work... > > > > With SYSV memory sharing, you can share memory between processes. > > A program image contains text regions and data regions. Now suppose > > you had a way of creating a shared memory region just big enough to > > hold your data image, and then mapping your data image into it. And > > your heap, if possible, (so malloc()'d data could be shared). > > > > Voila, now you can fork() a new thread... > > > > I'm not familiar with how object files are linked (relocatable data > > segments?) etc., but it *seems* like it would be easy... > > > > -Archie There is a variant of GNU malloc which uses mmap() to get the "heap." mmalloc_init (something like that) takes a file descriptor allowing the programmer to specify which file, and into which region should be mmap-ed. If several processes mmap the same file, you have shared heap. With some careful atomic locking thrown in, it should be possible to synchronize mmallocs over multiple processes. /Alby > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Archie L. Cobbs, archie@tribe.com * Tribe Computer Works http://www.tribe.com > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 05:56:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA09429 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 05:56:07 -0700 Received: from nanolon.gun.de (nanolon.gun.de [192.109.159.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA09412 ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 05:56:01 -0700 Received: from wup-gate.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by nanolon.gun.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with UUCP id OAA26604; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:55:50 +0200 Received: from wup.de by wup-gate with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0stDtH-0007rLC; Thu, 14 Sep 95 14:59 MET DST Received: from sunny.wup.de by wup.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18065; Thu, 14 Sep 95 14:50:15 +0200 Received: by sunny.wup.de (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10430; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:53:08 +0200 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:53:08 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm Message-Id: <9509141253.AA10430@sunny.wup.de> To: larry@seminole.iag.net Subject: SCSI problems with FreeBSD 2.0.5 using AHA 2940 and Quantum Grand Prix Cc: jhk@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Content-Type: X-sun-attachment Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: text X-Sun-Data-Description: text X-Sun-Data-Name: text X-Sun-Charset: us-ascii X-Sun-Content-Lines: 100 Subject: Re: SCSI errors 2.0.5 FreeBSD "sd0 timed out" Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc In article <42o73m$6vr@news.iag.net> you wrote: : I have an Opti based Pentium 100 Mhz motherboard with 32 : megs of RAM. The PCI controller is a 2940 and the hard : drive is a Quantum XP series 2 gig drive. The OS is Free : BSD 2.0.5. : With heavy DiskIO I see: : ahc0: target 0, lun 0, (sd0) timed out This happens to me, too, sometimes. : on the console. all diskIO is stopped, and the LED on : the SCSI host adapter and hard drive are on solid Yes ! : this happens with heavy disk IO with the configuration : supporting 10 mhz transfers rates and sync transfers : enabled My scenario: Asus P/I 55TP4XE board, P90, 256k synchr. cache, AHA 2940 BIOS V1.16, Toshiba 3601 CD-Rom, Quantum Grand Prix 4GB 7200U/min. Parity enabled on all devices, as well as 10MB synchr. My problems started with Termination pronlems. Here how I solved it, but problems remain ... The system locked up more frequently under FreeBSD and Linux, when I had the following order on the scsi bus: 2940-----------Hd-------------CD-Rom Termin. X X Putting the harddisk onto the end of the scsi bus I have much less problems: 2940-----------CD-------------HD Termin. X X Before that I tried nearly every combination of SCSI - Termination ;-) But still somethimes seems to break ... I had 4 OS on the Harddisk Slice 1 primary DOS - 250 MB DOS Slice 2 other - 3 GB FreeBSD Slice 3 Ext. Part - 500 MB Win NT 351 AS Slice 4 " - 400 MB Linux Slackware 2.3 - accessable via boot disk The FreeBSD bootmanager is _the_ boot manager on my system. So I have to take care to use this order during installation: DOS, FreeBSD partitioning, Windows NT, Linux, FreeBSD installation. When I had the disk in the middle of the scsi bus, then the Linux distrib with 1.2.12 kernel fucked up after installing about 75% of the packages. Now it works nearly flawlessly. But then after a few days again some drawbacks ... The Extended partition couldn't be accessed any more. The first warnings about a bad extended partition I received during the FreeBSD startup. After that I installed everything new ... But I left out Linux. So I have now DOS,NT,FreeBSD, to speed up installing everything again... But working for a while I get strange results again.... Under FreeBSD I noticed in /usr 1 dir and one file with control characters. When trying to boot WinNT I can't boot NT from one day to another, because ntdetect was screwed up ... I should install this file new ... Is the hardware so weak, that it can't drive 10MB/sec synchronously without loosing data ????? Or is it due to driver problems ???? The only OS, where I have no crashes in the moment is DOS/Windows 3.11. BTW: Everything is terminated properly, and I enabled Parity checking on all devices !! Hope, that -stable will help me out of this situation, if it should be a driver problem. BTW: I made a copy for thr freebsd mailinglists ... Since I'm not reading these lists currently, please write a cc: to my e-mail address, too Best regards Andreas /// -- andreas@wup.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: default X-Sun-Data-Description: default X-Sun-Data-Name: .signature X-Sun-Charset: us-ascii X-Sun-Content-Lines: 2 andreas@wup.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 06:52:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA10839 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:52:28 -0700 Received: from dtihost.datatrek.com (dtihost.datatrek.com [204.31.148.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA10833 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:52:22 -0700 Received: from gcrutcher (gcrutcher.datatrek.com [204.33.82.254]) by dtihost.datatrek.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA03655 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:50:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Mi'Mail from IRISoft Works, Evaluation Version 1.11 From: gcrutcher@datatrek.com (Gary Crutcher) Subject: FreeBSD Max Users Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:50:20 Message-Id: <14091995065240350.II18467@datatrek.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I noticed in the LINK file, the kernel configuratin file, that you can=20 set max users. Is there a maximum number of users that can be=20 configured? I tried setting it to 250 and got a warning when I remade=20 the kernel. I do not appear to be having any run-time problems,=20 though. --------------------------------------------------- Gary Crutcher voice: 619-431-8400 x140 Mgr. New Technology fax: 619-431-8448 Data Trek, Inc. email: gcrutcher@datatrek.com 5838 Edison Place Carlsbad, CA. 92008 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 07:30:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA11757 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 07:30:41 -0700 Received: from aslan.cdrom.com (aslan.cdrom.com [192.216.223.142]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA11740 ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 07:30:37 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA22861; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 07:29:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199509141429.HAA22861@aslan.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: aslan.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Andreas Klemm cc: larry@seminole.iag.net, jhk@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI problems with FreeBSD 2.0.5 using AHA 2940 and Quantum Grand Prix In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:53:08 +0200." <9509141253.AA10430@sunny.wup.de> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 07:29:48 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >In article <42o73m$6vr@news.iag.net> you wrote: >: I have an Opti based Pentium 100 Mhz motherboard with 32 >: megs of RAM. The PCI controller is a 2940 and the hard >: drive is a Quantum XP series 2 gig drive. The OS is Free >: BSD 2.0.5. > >: With heavy DiskIO I see: > >: ahc0: target 0, lun 0, (sd0) timed out > >This happens to me, too, sometimes. > >: on the console. all diskIO is stopped, and the LED on >: the SCSI host adapter and hard drive are on solid > >Yes ! > >: this happens with heavy disk IO with the configuration >: supporting 10 mhz transfers rates and sync transfers >: enabled > >My scenario: Asus P/I 55TP4XE board, P90, 256k synchr. cache, AHA 2940 >BIOS V1.16, Toshiba 3601 CD-Rom, Quantum Grand Prix 4GB 7200U/min. You should be running the driver in -stable if you have a grand prix. The driver is most likely your problem. >andreas@wup.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH >Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 08:17:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA13142 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:17:38 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA13136 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:17:32 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA00374; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 01:13:59 +1000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 01:13:59 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199509141513.BAA00374@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: erich@aug.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.0.5 and RISCom/8 boards... Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I have installed a RISCom/8 board in a FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE machine I am using >for a Free-Net system here in St. Augustine, FL. (We also have two >FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE boxes, one as a shell machine and one as a web server >for the ISP we run). STABLE's tty drivers were updated to CURRENT's a few hours ago. Try again with a new version of STABLE. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 08:20:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA13231 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:20:21 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA13221 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:20:02 -0700 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA07400; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:36:29 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199509141436.QAA07400@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Max Users To: gcrutcher@datatrek.com (Gary Crutcher) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:36:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <14091995065240350.II18467@datatrek.com> from "Gary Crutcher" at Sep 14, 95 06:50:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 900 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I noticed in the LINK file, the kernel configuratin file, that you can=20 > set max users. Is there a maximum number of users that can be=20 > configured? I tried setting it to 250 and got a warning when I remade=20 > the kernel. I do not appear to be having any run-time problems,=20 > though. maxusers has nothing to do with the maximum simultaneously logged in number of users. It's just a measure from which certain table sizes are derived. It may be that 250 is way too big and you will now have an unnecessarily memory consuming kernel. > > --------------------------------------------------- > Gary Crutcher voice: 619-431-8400 x140 > Mgr. New Technology fax: 619-431-8448 > Data Trek, Inc. email: gcrutcher@datatrek.com > 5838 Edison Place > Carlsbad, CA. 92008 > > --Chris Christoph P. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 09:33:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA14967 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:33:15 -0700 Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA14947 ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:33:08 -0700 Received: from crane.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:32:19 +0100 Received: from localhost by crane.ukc.ac.uk (5.0/UKC-2.7) id AA21265; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:32:18 +0100 To: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Does FreeBSD suffer from the Intel RZ1000 IDE bug? Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:32:17 +0100 Message-Id: <21264.811096337@crane> From: Richard Hesketh content-length: 520 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've read that Intel have a bug in their RZ1000 controller chip found on some of their PCI motherboards (and guess what motherboard I have 8-) The full details are given under: http://www.intel.com/procs/support/rz1000/index.html Linux is listed as being affected and I was wondering if FreeBSD was as well or if a fixed driver is available and from what version of FreeBSD is it in? As a workaround I am turning off use of IDE Pre-fetch buffers in my BIOS setup (as recommended by Intel). Thanks, Richard Hesketh From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 09:45:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA15527 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:45:16 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA15516 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:45:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:44:57 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: Masterplan 1.00 (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I am attempting to get masterplan working under FreeBSD but have been unsuccessful so I emailed the author and was told that FreeBSD doesn't allow named pipes to be created. Can anyone confirm this and know what I can do to get masterplan working? Thanks.. Cheers, -Vince- vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UC Berkeley AstroPhysics - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! Chabot Observatory & Science Center ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:48:03 -0700 From: Laurion Burchall (Exchange) To: '-Vince-' Subject: RE: Masterplan 1.00 I don't think that FreeBSD allows named pipes to be created. I know that NetBSD does though... --laurion ---------- From: -Vince-[SMTP:vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 1995 1:18 AM To: ldb@netspace.org Subject: Masterplan 1.00 Hi there, I am trying to install Masterplan 1.00 under FreeBSD but am having a problem as this is what happens when I run masterplan -d vince@apollo [3:16pm][~] >> masterplan -d masterplan: mknod(/tmp/.masterplan.pipe.vince-.plan): Operation not permitted Any ideas what's wrong? Also, as root user, do I need to run masterplan -d for each individual user or will one background process work for everyone? Thanks again and Have a nice labor day! From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 10:23:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA16312 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:23:05 -0700 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA16306 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:22:59 -0700 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA01939; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:26:56 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA13632 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:22:08 +0100 Received: from freeze.iaf.nl by iafnl.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA24077 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:08:29 +0200 Message-Id: From: rene@freeze.iaf.nl (Rene de Vries) Subject: PPP problems connection to a Windows-NT server To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:00:43 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: bulte@jgo.enet.dec.com (Wilko Bulte) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2805 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi to all of you! I know this is not the mail-group to ask questions, but I did not know any other mail-group with enough competent readers. The problem I have is to connect to a Windows-NT server (at the provider side) with a Free-BSD 2.05 system. I wanted to do this with the "iij-ppp" package because it seems to me as the most flexible one. The Internet provider uses a Windows-NT server (this can't be changed, I am sorry ;-), PPP and as login protection PAP (so no normal "login:" and "password:"). The symptom is as follows (according to the log file (/var/log/ppp.log)): A connection can be made. (Modems connect and this shows up in the log file). They can exchange HDLC packages (The following packages are exchanged:). - SendConfigReq - Received Configure Request - SendConfigNak <= Why????? - Received Configure Reject - SendConfigReq - Received Configure Request - SendConfigAck - Received Configure Reject <= Why, they did Ack? - ..... - Received Terminate Request - SendTerminateAck My questions: Why are there so much Config Requests? Why does is there an Ack followed by a Reject? Why doesn't it simply work? (Why does my provider use a bloody Windows-NT machine!?! :-( ) More information: I am using a 386/40 with 8Mb, a low-cost V34 modem and iij-ppp (version 0.94). The iij-ppp is configured as follows: Name My Side His Side ---------------------------------------- vjcomp enable accept lqr enable accept chap disable accept pap enable accept acfcomp enable accept protocomp enable accept pred1 enable accept proxy disable deny IPCP [Initial] his side: 0.0.0.0, 0 my side: 0.0.0.0, 0 connected: 0 secs, idle: 0 secs Defaults: My Address: 192.168.200.29/0 His Address: 0.0.0.0/0 LCP [Initial] his side: MRU 0, ACCMAP 00000000, PROTOCOMP 0, ACFCOMP 0 MAGIC 00000000 my side: MRU 0, ACCMAP 00000000, PROTOCOMP 0, ACFCOMP 0 MAGIC 00000000 Defaults: MRU = 1500, ACCMAP = 00000000 Open Mode: passive The authname and authkey are also set to appropriate values (which are double check with the provider). Which are mostly the default configuration parameters. I would be pleased if someone knew an answer to one or more of these questions or if one of you could give me more information about the iij-ppp program (English/Dutch/German not Japanese!). Hope to hear from you!!! Rene de Vries Note: I am sorry to post this message here, but I don't know any better newsgroup/mail-group. --- _ _ _ __ _ |- |_| |- |- / |- Rene de Vries rene@freeze.iaf.nl | |\ |_ |_ /_ |_ Zuidlarenpad 15, 6835 GW Arnhem (NL) (voice) +31 263233019 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 11:02:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA16885 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:02:48 -0700 Received: from localhost.lightside.com (user38.lightside.com [198.81.209.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA16879 ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:02:46 -0700 Received: (from jehamby@localhost) by localhost.lightside.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00401; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:03:04 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:02:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby X-Sender: jehamby@localhost To: Richard Hesketh cc: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD suffer from the Intel RZ1000 IDE bug? In-Reply-To: <21264.811096337@crane> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, Richard Hesketh wrote: > I've read that Intel have a bug in their RZ1000 controller chip > found on some of their PCI motherboards (and guess what motherboard > I have 8-) This is DEFINITELY something for the FreeBSD team to verify (maybe even before 2.1.0 is released)! This IDE bug often causes the last 32 bits of data transfer to get mangled, especially if there is some other DMA transfer occurring at the same time. Fortunately, none of my computers are affected, but think of the bad publicity for FreeBSD if people start blaming it for corrupting their HD partitions! > The full details are given under: > > http://www.intel.com/procs/support/rz1000/index.html There's a white paper on this page which should be helpful to anyone who wants to patch the IDE driver, as well as a DOS detection utility for the buggy chips. > Linux is listed as being affected and I was wondering if FreeBSD > was as well or if a fixed driver is available and from what version > of FreeBSD is it in? For those interested in conspiracy theories, Intel knew about this problem for at least a year, told Microsoft about it so they could fix their drivers in Windows NT 3.51 and Windows 95, but "forgot" to tell the customers... About a serious potential source of irreparable data corruption! Silly Intel... > As a workaround I am turning off use of IDE Pre-fetch buffers > in my BIOS setup (as recommended by Intel). I'm not sure this will solve the problem for FreeBSD, since FreeBSD doesn't use the BIOS for data transfers. Also, this workaround does slow down transfer rates, while the ideal method is to patch the IDE driver to only read the status register after the data transfer is finished (see the white paper for a better description of the issue). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jake Hamby | E-Mail: jehamby@lightside.com Student, Cal Poly University, Pomona | System Administrator, JPL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 11:33:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA17778 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:33:49 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA17757 ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:33:45 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA10037; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:32:11 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199509141832.LAA10037@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD suffer from the Intel RZ1000 IDE bug? To: R.L.Hesketh@ukc.ac.uk (Richard Hesketh) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:32:10 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <21264.811096337@crane> from "Richard Hesketh" at Sep 14, 95 05:32:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 846 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I've read that Intel have a bug in their RZ1000 controller chip > found on some of their PCI motherboards (and guess what motherboard > I have 8-) > > The full details are given under: > > http://www.intel.com/procs/support/rz1000/index.html > > Linux is listed as being affected and I was wondering if FreeBSD > was as well or if a fixed driver is available and from what version > of FreeBSD is it in? > > As a workaround I am turning off use of IDE Pre-fetch buffers > in my BIOS setup (as recommended by Intel). Windows95 is also affected. You can fix it by turning off 32 bit disk I/O. The problem occurs when you take an interrupt during DMA transfer. The FreeBSD IDE drivers don't use DMA. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 11:54:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA18050 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:54:14 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA18043 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:54:04 -0700 Received: from gemini ([13.231.132.20]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15732(6)>; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:49:11 PDT Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05317; Thu, 14 Sep 95 14:49:10 EDT Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22938; Thu, 14 Sep 95 14:49:08 EDT Message-Id: <9509141849.AA22938@gnu.mc.xerox.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: comment on parititioning disk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:49:05 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Well, I started to look into getting 2.05 up (looks much better than 2.0). I found the paritition menu very hard to use (mbytes are useful, sectors are just "big numbers". I ended up using the linux fdisk to partition... marty leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Member of the League for Programming Freedom (http://www.lpf.org) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Arthur C. Clarke, The Lost Worlds of 2001 marty leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Member of the League for Programming Freedom From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 13:05:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA20225 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:05:56 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA20218 ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:05:51 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA22144 ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:05:29 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id WAA18443 ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:05:29 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.Freenix.FR (8.7.Beta.14/keltia-uucp-2.4) id UAA26725; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:35:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199509141835.UAA26725@keltia.Freenix.FR> Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD suffer from the Intel RZ1000 IDE bug? To: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:35:49 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: R.L.Hesketh@ukc.ac.uk, hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jake Hamby" at Sep 14, 95 11:02:39 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1085 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7a+] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Jake Hamby said: > This is DEFINITELY something for the FreeBSD team to verify (maybe even > before 2.1.0 is released)! This IDE bug often causes the last 32 bits of > data transfer to get mangled, especially if there is some other DMA To my knowledge it only affect E-IDE drivers not IDE ones so for the moment as we do not support E-IDE this is not a concern. It is probably one for Sören as he's writing the E-IDE driver :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.Freenix.FR 2.2-CURRENT #1: Sun Sep 10 18:50:19 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 13:27:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA21199 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:27:21 -0700 Received: from bacchus.eng.umd.edu (bacchus.eng.umd.edu [129.2.94.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA21187 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:27:05 -0700 Received: from espresso.eng.umd.edu (espresso.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.13]) by bacchus.eng.umd.edu (8.7.Beta.14/8.7.Beta.14) with ESMTP id QAA09653; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (chuckr@localhost) by espresso.eng.umd.edu (8.7.Beta.14/8.6.4) id QAA09695; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:26:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: -Vince- cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: RE: Masterplan 1.00 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, -Vince- wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am attempting to get masterplan working under FreeBSD but have > been unsuccessful so I emailed the author and was told that FreeBSD > doesn't allow named pipes to be created. Can anyone confirm this and > know what I can do to get masterplan working? Thanks.. I've never seen masterplan, but named pipes (fifos) do exist under FreeBSD. Take a look at the mkfifo man page. I think they require one or more of the SYSV IPC kernel options, SYSVSHM, SYSVSEM, and SYSVMSG. > > Cheers, > -Vince- vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin > UC Berkeley AstroPhysics - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) > SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! > Chabot Observatory & Science Center > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:48:03 -0700 > From: Laurion Burchall (Exchange) > To: '-Vince-' > Subject: RE: Masterplan 1.00 > > I don't think that FreeBSD allows named pipes to be created. I know that NetBSD does though... > > --laurion > > ---------- > From: -Vince-[SMTP:vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 1995 1:18 AM > To: ldb@netspace.org > Subject: Masterplan 1.00 > > Hi there, > > I am trying to install Masterplan 1.00 under FreeBSD but am > having a problem as this is what happens when I run masterplan -d > > vince@apollo [3:16pm][~] >> masterplan -d > masterplan: mknod(/tmp/.masterplan.pipe.vince-.plan): Operation not permitted > > Any ideas what's wrong? > > Also, as root user, do I need to run masterplan -d for each > individual user or will one background process work for everyone? Thanks > again and Have a nice labor day! > > > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 13:28:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA21293 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:28:12 -0700 Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.49.17.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA21280 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:28:05 -0700 Received: from hcswork.hcs.de by hcshh.hcs.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0stKu0-000TIpC; Thu, 14 Sep 95 22:28 METDST Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0stKsb-000UOnC; Thu, 14 Sep 95 22:27 METDST Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: pcvt 3.31 beta 4 available for testing To: port-i386@netbsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:27:28 +0200 (METDST) Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 394 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Pcvt 3.31 beta 4 has been put on the following ftp site: Host: gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Directory: incoming Filename: pcvt-331b4.tar.gz (invisible!) Filesize: 335699 Bytes hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Hamburg, Europe "There are lies, damn lies, and open systems." (unknown) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 13:38:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA21828 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:38:31 -0700 Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA21818 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:38:15 -0700 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA10137; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:28:14 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199509142028.WAA10137@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: Masterplan 1.00 (fwd) To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:28:14 +0200 (SAT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Sep 14, 95 12:44:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 373 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi everyone, > > I am attempting to get masterplan working under FreeBSD but have > been unsuccessful so I emailed the author and was told that FreeBSD > doesn't allow named pipes to be created. Can anyone confirm this and > know what I can do to get masterplan working? Thanks.. > It is just called something else. mkfifo -- John Hay -- John.Hay@csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 15:00:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA25780 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:00:07 -0700 Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA25770 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:00:04 -0700 Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0stMK8-0009XmC; Thu, 14 Sep 95 15:00 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby To: -Vince- cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: Masterplan 1.00 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, -Vince- wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am attempting to get masterplan working under FreeBSD but have > been unsuccessful so I emailed the author and was told that FreeBSD > doesn't allow named pipes to be created. Can anyone confirm this and > know what I can do to get masterplan working? Thanks.. > > Cheers, > -Vince- vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin > UC Berkeley AstroPhysics - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) > SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! > Chabot Observatory & Science Center > FreeBSD does allow named pipes, but NOT with the mknod() function. What you will need to do is change all references of mknod() to the mkfifo() command, which, unlike mknod(), doesn't require root privileges. The problem is that many other operating systems support BOTH mknod() and mkfifo() for named pipes, but FreeBSD only supports mkfifo() for this purpose. What you'll need to do is change all references of: mknod( foo, S_IFIFO | permission, ignored) to mkfifo( foo, permission) ...Just remove the middle S_IFIFO constant and leave off the last argument. The last argument to mknod is ignored (and will probably be 0), but the second argument in both cases specifies the access permissions. The first argument is going to be the path of the fifo to create (e.g. "/tmp/myfifo" or a variable name). Hope this helps.. ---Jake Hamby jehamby@lightside.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 15:22:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA27400 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:22:51 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA27390 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:22:48 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06455 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:22:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199509142222.PAA06455@time.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 15:22:45 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Organization: Walnut Creek CDROM X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: xcdplayer and SCSI CD-ROM References: <434kbj$6vo@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> X-URL: news:434kbj$6vo@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone? rcisyk@bnr.ca (Rostyslav Cisyk) wrote: >Does anybody know whether xcdplayer (from 2.0.5 packages/ports) is supposed >to work with 4X SCSI CD-ROMs? > >Here's what I get from xcdplayer when I try to start it: > >cdrom_get_curtrack: no status >cb_cdrom_stop: already stopped >cdrom_play: starting track 1 >ioctl(cdromplaymsftrk): Invalid argument >cdrom_get_curtrack: no status >cdrom_atend: at end >cdrom_atend: continuing >cdrom_play: starting track 2 >ioctl(cdromplaymsftrk): Invalid argument >cdrom_get_curtrack: no status >cdrom_atend: at end >cdrom_atend: continuing >... > >And kernel sez: > >Sep 10 23:21:40 eclipse /kernel: cd0(aic0:3:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST >asc:26,0 Invalid field in parameter list >Sep 10 23:21:46 eclipse last message repeated 21 times > > >I have Adaptec AHA-1522 and 4X Sony CDU76S SCSI CD-ROM. My machine is >running FreeBSD 2.0.5-950622-SNAP. > >Does anyone know what the deal is with those messages? > >Thanks, >Rosty. -- Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 16:43:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA03381 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:43:14 -0700 Received: from tippy.vnet.net (tippy.vnet.net [166.82.197.240]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA03370 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:43:09 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by tippy.vnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA07457; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:43:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:42:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Madison To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: xcdplayer and SCSI CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <199509142222.PAA06455@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Anyone? > rcisyk@bnr.ca (Rostyslav Cisyk) wrote: > >Does anybody know whether xcdplayer (from 2.0.5 packages/ports) is supposed > >to work with 4X SCSI CD-ROMs? It works with an Adaptec 2940 and a NEC 4Xi. Though when I use xcdplayer I get a cute gui interface and it works fine. However if I use the cdplayer from the command line I get the same kernel warnings and it doesn't work. The kernel I am presently using was built from src-cur.0961.gz, X dies with anything after that. ========================================================================== We must overcome conventional values in order to live creatively; the established values of society were invented by the weak to enable them to triumph over the strong. REBEL!! Toss Windows 95, install FreeBSD today! ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 17:13:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA05431 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:13:25 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA05426 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:13:23 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA04072; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:13:13 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199509150013.RAA04072@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: xcdplayer and SCSI CD-ROM To: jkh@FreeBSD.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, rcisyk@bnr.ca In-Reply-To: <199509142222.PAA06455@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Sep 14, 95 03:22:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 788 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Anyone? what does dmesg say about the drive? is it SCSI2? possibly sony are just implimenting their own audio commands...... > > rcisyk@bnr.ca (Rostyslav Cisyk) wrote: > >Does anybody know whether xcdplayer (from 2.0.5 packages/ports) is supposed > >to work with 4X SCSI CD-ROMs? > > > >Here's what I get from xcdplayer when I try to start it: > > > >And kernel sez: > > > >Sep 10 23:21:40 eclipse /kernel: cd0(aic0:3:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST > >asc:26,0 Invalid field in parameter list > >Sep 10 23:21:46 eclipse last message repeated 21 times > > > > > >I have Adaptec AHA-1522 and 4X Sony CDU76S SCSI CD-ROM. My machine is > >running FreeBSD 2.0.5-950622-SNAP. > > > >Does anyone know what the deal is with those messages? > > > >Thanks, > >Rosty. > > -- > Jordan > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 17:41:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA08632 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:41:47 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA08624 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:41:44 -0700 Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA09077 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:41:37 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199509150041.UAA09077@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: mkisofs-1.04 + tools now available To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:41:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 335 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just noticed on tsx-11 there is a new version of mkisofs (1.04) that was updated Sep 10, plus assorted other cdtools like cdwrite, we probably want to update the one in the source tree.. Jordan? -Chr Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 17:58:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA09285 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:58:32 -0700 Received: from etinc.com (etinc-gw.new-york.net [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA09279 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:58:28 -0700 Received: from websurfer.etinc.com (websurfer.etinc.com [204.141.95.5]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA00357 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:59:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:59:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199509150059.UAA00357@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Compiling Gated Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Having mucho problems compiling Gated alpha 11 on 2.0.5R. Can't get make config to work....make doesn't seem to like the makefiles. Has anyone done this? Whats the trick? Dennis ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Boards and Routers for Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 21:26:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA21612 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:26:57 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA21592 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:26:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA07580; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:26:46 -0700 To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mkisofs-1.04 + tools now available In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:41:37 EDT." <199509150041.UAA09077@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:26:46 -0700 Message-ID: <7577.811139206@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I don't have time for this at all right now. If someone else would care to do the honors? Jordan > I just noticed on tsx-11 there is a new version of mkisofs (1.04) that was > updated Sep 10, plus assorted other cdtools like cdwrite, we probably want to > update the one in the source tree.. Jordan? > > -Chr > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu > > http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 21:33:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA22393 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:33:35 -0700 Received: from port26.hubbard2.t.ic.net (root@port26.hubbard2.t.ic.net [152.160.88.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA22388 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:33:31 -0700 Received: (from rob@localhost) by port26.hubbard2.t.ic.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA02581 for hackers@freefall.freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:28:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199509150428.AAA02581@port26.hubbard2.t.ic.net> Subject: Info about named? To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:28:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rob Misiak" Reply-To: rdm@falcon.ic.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 143 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Anyone know where I can get docs about named? I set it up on a FreeBSD 486 machine, but I would like to know more about it. Thanks, Rob From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 22:18:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA22984 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:18:47 -0700 Received: (from sos@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA22976 ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:18:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199509150518.WAA22976@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD suffer from the Intel RZ1000 IDE bug? To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jehamby@lightside.com, R.L.Hesketh@ukc.ac.uk, hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509141835.UAA26725@keltia.Freenix.FR> from "Ollivier Robert" at Sep 14, 95 08:35:49 pm From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-to: sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 846 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Ollivier Robert who wrote: > > It seems that Jake Hamby said: > > This is DEFINITELY something for the FreeBSD team to verify (maybe even > > before 2.1.0 is released)! This IDE bug often causes the last 32 bits of > > data transfer to get mangled, especially if there is some other DMA > > To my knowledge it only affect E-IDE drivers not IDE ones so for the moment > as we do not support E-IDE this is not a concern. It is probably one for > S_ren as he's writing the E-IDE driver :-) And I know of the problem :) By the way there isn't much point in using DMA on the IDE interface anyway, so I simply don't use it... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 14 23:21:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA27229 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 23:21:51 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA27218 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 23:21:46 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id IAA01962 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:21:30 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA20812 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:21:30 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA17614 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:58:02 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509150558.HAA17614@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Compiling Gated To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:57:58 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509150059.UAA00357@etinc.com> from "dennis" at Sep 14, 95 08:59:13 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 495 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As dennis wrote: > > > Having mucho problems compiling Gated alpha 11 on 2.0.5R. Can't get make > config to work....make doesn't seem to like the makefiles. Has anyone done > this? Whats the trick? What is it complaining about? "Missing operator"? Remove the extra tabs on (otherwise) blank lines. (This has been relaxed in the current `make'.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 00:21:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA29442 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:21:34 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA29433 ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:21:28 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id JAA25724 ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:21:25 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id JAA20102 ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:21:24 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.Freenix.FR (8.7.Beta.14/keltia-uucp-2.4) id IAA29470; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:43:21 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199509150643.IAA29470@keltia.Freenix.FR> Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD suffer from the Intel RZ1000 IDE bug? To: sos@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:43:21 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jehamby@lightside.com, R.L.Hesketh@ukc.ac.uk, hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509150518.WAA22976@freefall.freebsd.org> from "sos@freebsd.org" at Sep 14, 95 10:18:45 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1085 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7a+] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that sos@freebsd.org said: > And I know of the problem :) > By the way there isn't much point in using DMA on the IDE interface > anyway, so I simply don't use it... Less CPU load ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.Freenix.FR 2.2-CURRENT #1: Sun Sep 10 18:50:19 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 00:32:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA00120 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:32:20 -0700 Received: (from sos@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA00108 ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:32:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199509150732.AAA00108@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD suffer from the Intel RZ1000 IDE bug? To: roberto@keltia.Freenix.FR (Ollivier Robert) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sos@freebsd.org, jehamby@lightside.com, R.L.Hesketh@ukc.ac.uk, hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509150643.IAA29470@keltia.Freenix.FR> from "Ollivier Robert" at Sep 15, 95 08:43:21 am From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-to: sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 679 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Ollivier Robert who wrote: > > It seems that sos@freebsd.org said: > > And I know of the problem :) > > By the way there isn't much point in using DMA on the IDE interface > > anyway, so I simply don't use it... > > Less CPU load ? Hmm, yes somewhat, but most systems these days suffers from cacheinvalidates and what not when you use the Motherboard based DMA, it also has to deal with the 16Mb problem, so I concluded that it simply wasn't worth the effort. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 02:01:36 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA05287 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 02:01:36 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA05268 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 02:01:32 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA06997; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 02:01:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 02:01:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199509150901.CAA06997@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it CC: hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199509121010.MAA03734@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> (message from Luigi Rizzo on Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:10:03 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: Proposed patch to ghostscript port From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk * This allows the inclusion of dfaxhigh and dfaxlow drivers, which * are used in mgetty+sendfax. Thanks, committed! By the way, these mails should go to "ports", not "hackers", that's the address of the snake-pit where all the porters live.... Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 03:20:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id DAA14433 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 03:20:27 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA14404 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 03:20:20 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA07350; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 03:20:14 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 03:20:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199509151020.DAA07350@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au CC: hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199509140009.AAA06438@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> (message from Stephen Hocking on Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:09:20 +1000) Subject: Re: Encouraging the author to keep g77 upto date for FreeBSD From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk * On the g77 mailing list, this was one of the messages from the author. Jordan, * do you think we could send him a 2.0.5 CD? Yes, please! And a T-shirt, too! :) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 04:08:09 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA17712 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:08:09 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA17705 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:08:05 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA07445; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:08:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:08:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199509151108.EAA07445@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: dennis@etinc.com CC: hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199509150059.UAA00357@etinc.com> (dennis@etinc.com) Subject: Re: Compiling Gated From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk * Having mucho problems compiling Gated alpha 11 on 2.0.5R. Can't get make * config to work....make doesn't seem to like the makefiles. Has anyone done * this? Whats the trick? It's in the ports tree, so assume someone got it to work. Please read section 4.2 of the Handbook on how to use the ports stuff. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 04:25:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA18703 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:25:57 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA18609 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:23:35 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id NAA11372; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:22:52 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA21986; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:22:51 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA19138; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:27:23 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509150627.IAA19138@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Info about named? To: rdm@falcon.ic.net Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:27:20 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199509150428.AAA02581@port26.hubbard2.t.ic.net> from "Rob Misiak" at Sep 15, 95 00:28:16 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 322 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Rob Misiak wrote: > > Anyone know where I can get docs about named? I set it up on a FreeBSD 486 > machine, but I would like to know more about it. "DNS and BIND", O'Reilly -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 05:15:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA22500 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 05:15:32 -0700 Received: from nanolon.gun.de (nanolon.gun.de [192.109.159.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA22467 ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 05:15:25 -0700 Received: from wup-gate.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by nanolon.gun.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with UUCP id OAA23980; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:14:57 +0200 Received: from wup.de by wup-gate with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0stZjE-0007rLC; Fri, 15 Sep 95 14:18 MET DST Received: from sunny.wup.de by wup.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19949; Fri, 15 Sep 95 14:09:18 +0200 Received: by sunny.wup.de (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11185; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:12:12 +0200 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:12:12 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm Message-Id: <9509151212.AA11185@sunny.wup.de> To: gibbs@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SCSI problems with FreeBSD 2.0.5 using AHA 2940 and Quantum Grand Prix Cc: larry@seminole.iag.net, jhk@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > You should be running the driver in -stable if you have a grand > prix. The driver is most likely your problem. Well, I found the suitable sup file for stable and was surprised, that supping is relatively fast ... So I was able to build a new kernel this morning. Performance has increased a bit (bonnie benchmark), now I'll stress test the system a bit ... I'll let you hear, if it works. Looks good so far. Thanks for your great work and nice support. Andreas /// From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 07:17:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA05000 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:17:38 -0700 Received: from dtihost.datatrek.com (dtihost.datatrek.com [204.31.148.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA04985 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:17:33 -0700 Received: from gcrutcher (gcrutcher.datatrek.com [204.33.82.254]) by dtihost.datatrek.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA05606 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:15:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Mi'Mail from IRISoft Works, Evaluation Version 1.11 From: gcrutcher@datatrek.com (Gary Crutcher) Subject: Max Users Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:15:51 Message-Id: <15091995071756790.II41@datatrek.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Is there a practical limit to the numbers of user accounts I can have with FreeBSD? I am setting a commercial Web site and will eventually have a few hundred user accounts. Thanks, --------------------------------------------------- Gary Crutcher voice: 619-431-8400 x140 Mgr. New Technology fax: 619-431-8448 Data Trek, Inc. email: gcrutcher@datatrek.com 5838 Edison Place Carlsbad, CA. 92008 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 07:52:24 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA08690 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:52:24 -0700 Received: from etinc.com (etinc-gw.new-york.net [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA08677 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 07:52:19 -0700 Received: from websurfer.etinc.com (websurfer.etinc.com [204.141.95.5]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01627; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:53:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:53:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199509151453.KAA01627@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Compiling Gated Cc: j@uriah.heep.sax.de Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >As dennis wrote: >> >> >> Having mucho problems compiling Gated alpha 11 on 2.0.5R. Can't get make >> config to work....make doesn't seem to like the makefiles. Has anyone done >> this? Whats the trick? > >What is it complaining about? "Missing operator"? Remove the extra >tabs on (otherwise) blank lines. (This has been relaxed in the >current `make'.) > I fixed the tabs in the makefile, and then when it generates the custom makefile the new makefile fails.... Will the new make run on 2.0.5R? dennis ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Boards and Routers for Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 08:15:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA10972 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:15:58 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA10965 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:15:52 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id LAA13285; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:04:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:04:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Compiling Gated To: dennis cc: hackers@freebsd.org, j@uriah.heep.sax.de In-Reply-To: <199509151453.KAA01627@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, dennis wrote: > >What is it complaining about? "Missing operator"? Remove the extra > >tabs on (otherwise) blank lines. (This has been relaxed in the > >current `make'.) > > > I fixed the tabs in the makefile, and then when it generates the custom > makefile the new makefile fails.... the new makefile is generated from makefile.in ?? edit makefile.in--remove the tabs there > > Will the new make run on 2.0.5R? > > dennis > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com > > Synchronous Communications Boards and Routers for > Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame > Relay, PPP, HDLC and X.25 > > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 08:32:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA12410 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:32:20 -0700 Received: from spiffy.cybernet.com ([192.245.33.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA12393 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:32:11 -0700 Received: from root@spiffy.cybernet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spiffy.cybernet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA19045; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:43:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:43:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: Reply-To: root@spiffy.cybernet.com Message-ID: Organization: Cybernet Systems Corporation X-Mailer: XFMail 0.2 on FreeBSD From: "Mark J. Taylor" To: Chuck Robey Subject: RE: Masterplan 1.00 (fwd) Cc: , -Vince- Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 09:16:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA18282 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:16:07 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA18266 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:16:01 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA07761; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:15:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:15:51 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199509151615.MAA07761@Glock.COM> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: more ifconfig alias problems... Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm doing the following to add a second address to my FreeBSD 2.0.5R production environment machine: root@Glock % nslookup neon Server: localhost.COM Address: 127.0.0.1 Name: neon.Glock.COM Address: 198.82.228.159 root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 neon alias netmask 255.255.255.0 ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists root@Glock % telnet neon Trying 198.82.228.159... ^C root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 delete neon root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 alias neon netmask 255.255.255.0 ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists root@Glock % telnet neon Trying 198.82.228.159... ^C root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 delete neon root@Glock % Any ideas what I'm doing wrong, or do I need to upgrade? -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM | Network Administration and Software Development http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ | Consulting: BizNet Technologies -> mmead@bnt.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 09:41:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA20971 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:41:35 -0700 Received: from alpha.dsu.edu (ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu [138.247.32.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA20940 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:41:29 -0700 Received: (from ghelmer@localhost) by alpha.dsu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA03360; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:39:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:39:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Guy Helmer To: dennis cc: hackers@freebsd.org, j@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: Compiling Gated In-Reply-To: <199509151453.KAA01627@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, dennis wrote: > >As dennis wrote: > >> > >> > >> Having mucho problems compiling Gated alpha 11 on 2.0.5R. Can't get make > >> config to work....make doesn't seem to like the makefiles. Has anyone done > >> this? Whats the trick? > > > >What is it complaining about? "Missing operator"? Remove the extra > >tabs on (otherwise) blank lines. (This has been relaxed in the > >current `make'.) > > > I fixed the tabs in the makefile, and then when it generates the custom > makefile the new makefile fails.... The customized makefile comes from src/util/Makefile.template, which contains several lines that have just a tab on them. I've successfully built gated in the past by removing the tabs from all the otherwise blank lines in that file... > dennis Guy Helmer, Dakota State University Computing Services - ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 10:03:12 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA22761 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:03:12 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA22720 ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:02:55 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA01359; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:00:32 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199509151700.KAA01359@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD suffer from the Intel RZ1000 IDE bug? To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:00:32 -0700 (MST) Cc: sos@freebsd.org, jehamby@lightside.com, R.L.Hesketh@ukc.ac.uk, hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509150643.IAA29470@keltia.Freenix.FR> from "Ollivier Robert" at Sep 15, 95 08:43:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 381 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > It seems that sos@freebsd.org said: > > And I know of the problem :) > > By the way there isn't much point in using DMA on the IDE interface > > anyway, so I simply don't use it... > > Less CPU load ? Is why you buy SCSI instead of IDE. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 10:08:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA23344 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:08:13 -0700 Received: from healer.com (healer-gw.Empire.Net [205.164.80.204]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA23301 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:07:49 -0700 Received: (from gryphon@localhost) by healer.com (8.6.11/8.6.9.1) id NAA03743; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:08:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:08:27 -0400 From: Coranth Gryphon Message-Id: <199509151708.NAA03743@healer.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org, mmead@Glock.COM Subject: Re: more ifconfig alias problems... Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Matthew C. Mead says: > root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 neon alias netmask 255.255.255.0 > ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists > > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong, or do I need to upgrade? Try this. For the primary ed0 interface, use: root# ifconfig ed0 inet 10.20.30.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 This gives you the first one (it'll probably be done automatically by rc.sysconfig and rc.netstart). Obviously substitute your address for the "10.20.30.1" example :-) To add the second address, use: root# ifconfig ed0 alias 10.20.30.2 netmask 255.255.255.255 If it is on the same class-c as the first address, or: root# ifconfig ed0 alias 10.20.40.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 If it is on a different class-c than the primary ed0 address. Either alias line can be added to the rc.netstart script to be run automatically. Put if after the "for ifn in ${network_interfaces}" block (ie. after the "done"). -coranth ------------------------------------------+------------------------+ Coranth Gryphon | "Faith Manages." | | - Satai Delenn | Phone: 603-598-3440 Fax: 603-598-3430 +------------------------+ USMail: 11 Carver St, Nashua, NH 03060 Disclaimer: All these words are yours, except Europa... From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 10:39:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA25437 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:39:46 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA25429 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:39:43 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA26416 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:41:41 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199509151741.NAA26416@haven.ios.com> Subject: postgres95-beta0.03 . To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:41:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 334 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there folx, Does any1 here use the beast ? How fast /reliable/SQL conformant it is ? I'm stuck on the compilation phase ;( - there are some problems with yy_flush** fucntions ,as well as few headers are obviously missing. I didn't try to dig it assuming that someone here pro- bably has invented the wheel ... Rashid From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 11:35:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA28866 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:35:56 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA28860 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:35:53 -0700 Received: from aristotle.algonet.se (aristotle.algonet.se [193.12.207.1]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA04451 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:35:24 -0700 Received: from sophocles. (mal@sophocles.algonet.se [193.12.207.10]) by aristotle.algonet.se (8.6.9/hdw.1.0) with SMTP id UAA02647 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:33:39 +0200 Received: by sophocles. (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16785; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:33:59 +0200 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:33:59 +0200 From: mal@aristotle.algonet.se (Mats Lofkvist) Message-Id: <9509151833.AA16785@sophocles.> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Are xdr_float and xdr_double supported now? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Seems not to be in the ~2.0.5 version I have. (/usr/src/lib/libc/xdr/Makefile.inc: "UNSUPPORTED+= xdr_float.c") _ Mats Lofkvist mal@algonet.se From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 11:50:42 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA29293 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:50:42 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA29288 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:50:39 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id UAA26616; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:50:35 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA26447; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:50:34 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA21645; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:19:53 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509151819.UAA21645@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Max Users To: gcrutcher@datatrek.com (Gary Crutcher) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:19:53 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <15091995071756790.II41@datatrek.com> from "Gary Crutcher" at Sep 15, 95 07:15:51 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 580 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Gary Crutcher wrote: > > Is there a practical limit to the numbers of user accounts I > can have with FreeBSD? I am setting a commercial Web site > and will eventually have a few hundred user accounts. I think the guy with his 11000 entries in the password file had a small problem in that each run of passwd(1) or chsh(1) did take some amount of time. :) But Guido van Roij came up with a proposal... not sure what's up there. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 12:01:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA29515 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:01:10 -0700 Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA29510 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:01:08 -0700 Received: from ugen (ugen-tr.worldbank.org [138.220.101.58]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA28590; for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:00:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 95 14:58:27 PDT From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: Re: Max Users To: Gary Crutcher , Joerg Wunsch Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >I think the guy with his 11000 entries in the password file had a >small problem in that each run of passwd(1) or chsh(1) did take some >amount of time. :) > >But Guido van Roij came up with a proposal... not sure what's up >there. I do not know how this works right now , but some simple database like db which can store by key will solve all problemms for arbitrary amount of users (even for 11000).You basically need two of them - by username a and by uid... --Ugen From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 12:33:26 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA00372 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:33:26 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA00367 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:33:24 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA00247; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:32:56 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199509151932.MAA00247@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: more ifconfig alias problems... To: mmead@Glock.COM (matthew c. mead) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509151615.MAA07761@Glock.COM> from "matthew c. mead" at Sep 15, 95 12:15:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1154 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I'm doing the following to add a second address to my FreeBSD > 2.0.5R production environment machine: > > root@Glock % nslookup neon > Server: localhost.COM > Address: 127.0.0.1 > > Name: neon.Glock.COM > Address: 198.82.228.159 > > root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 neon alias netmask 255.255.255.0 > ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists > root@Glock % telnet neon > Trying 198.82.228.159... > ^C > root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 delete neon > root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 alias neon netmask 255.255.255.0 ^^^^^ make the netmask on aliases be 255.255.255.255 there was talk of making this the default when an 'alias' but I don't know if it was done > ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists > root@Glock % telnet neon > Trying 198.82.228.159... > ^C > root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 delete neon > root@Glock % > > > > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong, or do I need to upgrade? > > > -matt > > -- > Matthew C. Mead > > mmead@Glock.COM | Network Administration and Software Development > http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ | Consulting: BizNet Technologies -> mmead@bnt.com > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 12:45:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA00749 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:45:30 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA00739 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:45:17 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA08074 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:51:01 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199509151951.PAA08074@ns1.win.net> Subject: Re: more ifconfig alias problems... (fwd) To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:51:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 686 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 alias neon netmask 255.255.255.0 > ^^^^^ > make the netmask on aliases be 255.255.255.255 > there was talk of making this the default when an 'alias' but I don't > know if it was done This is probably it, *but also* At one point when I was fiddling with this a few months ago you had to completely reboot for these kinds of changes to actually take right. ifconfig delete didn't clear things up completely. So if you are experimenting with ifconfigs you might want to reboot between your experiments just to be sure. Regards, Mark Hittinger Internet Manager WinNET Communications bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 13:17:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA02020 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:17:46 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA02013 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:17:43 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA00384 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:17:42 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:17:42 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199509152017.NAA00384@ref.tfs.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Mailing list behaviour? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ref was down for a while yesterday for a HW change it's now been up for over an hour.. I expected that htere would be a rush of delayed email from freefall (or wherever) but it hasn't happenned.. does the mailing list code queue it's output? does it just use sendmail? should sendmail have queueud the mail? should I have seen a lot of email from last night? (I've seen maybe 20.. much less than I'd expect for a whole night..... julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 13:58:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA03775 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:58:55 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA03766 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:58:47 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA29031 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:58:13 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA27173 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:58:13 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA26205 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:51:32 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509152051.WAA26205@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Max Users To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:51:32 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" at Sep 15, 95 02:58:27 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 535 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Ugen J.S.Antsilevich wrote: > > >But Guido van Roij came up with a proposal... not sure what's up > >there. > I do not know how this works right now , but some simple database > like db which can store by key will solve all problemms for > arbitrary amount of users (even for 11000).You basically need two of > them - by username a and by uid... Read Guido's mail. About 10 days ago. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 14:00:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA03896 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:00:52 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA03889 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:00:43 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA29035; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:58:15 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA27174; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:58:14 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA26283; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:54:58 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199509152054.WAA26283@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Are xdr_float and xdr_double supported now? To: mal@aristotle.algonet.se (Mats Lofkvist) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:54:58 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9509151833.AA16785@sophocles.> from "Mats Lofkvist" at Sep 15, 95 08:33:59 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 319 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Mats Lofkvist wrote: > > Seems not to be in the ~2.0.5 version I have. > (/usr/src/lib/libc/xdr/Makefile.inc: "UNSUPPORTED+= xdr_float.c") They will be in 2.1 and 2.2. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 14:15:24 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA04912 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:15:24 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA04903 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:15:20 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA14282 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:20:58 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199509152120.RAA14282@ns1.win.net> Subject: Re: Max Users (fwd) To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:20:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1054 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > As Ugen J.S.Antsilevich wrote: > > >But Guido van Roij came up with a proposal... not sure what's up > > >there. > > I do not know how this works right now , but some simple database > > like db which can store by key will solve all problemms for > > arbitrary amount of users (even for 11000).You basically need two of > > them - by username a and by uid... > Read Guido's mail. About 10 days ago. I am getting ready to do some serious testing on Guido's patch here this weekend. Guido's patch is for updating in-place the password file record when we are updating a single record. Right now we rebuild the entire file. It will be a big help if it works. I'm not sure it addresses the issue of rebuilding the entire file when an account is added or deleted. I have to study the patch more. Even with Guido's welcome work I still think that we have a scalability problem here and I'm considering a total re-write. Thanksgiving vacation is coming up soon :-) Regards, Mark Hittinger Internet Manager WinNET Communications, Inc. bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 15:02:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA09810 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:02:07 -0700 Received: from crash.ops.neosoft.com (root@crash.ops.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.212.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA09783 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:01:59 -0700 Received: (from smace@localhost) by crash.ops.neosoft.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA07028; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:02:17 -0500 From: Scott Mace Message-Id: <199509152202.RAA07028@crash.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: Re: more ifconfig alias problems... To: mmead@Glock.COM (matthew c. mead) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:02:17 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509151615.MAA07761@Glock.COM> from "matthew c. mead" at Sep 15, 95 12:15:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 854 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Here's I how do it: ifconfig ed0 alias 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 arp -s 192.168.1.2 1:ff:ff:ff:ff:5a pub > I'm doing the following to add a second address to my FreeBSD > 2.0.5R production environment machine: > > root@Glock % nslookup neon > Server: localhost.COM > Address: 127.0.0.1 > > Name: neon.Glock.COM > Address: 198.82.228.159 > > root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 neon alias netmask 255.255.255.0 > ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists > root@Glock % telnet neon > Trying 198.82.228.159... > ^C > root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 delete neon > root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 alias neon netmask 255.255.255.0 > ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists > root@Glock % telnet neon > Trying 198.82.228.159... > ^C > root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 delete neon > root@Glock % > > > > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong, or do I need to upgrade? From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 15:31:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA12300 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:31:16 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA12295 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:31:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA11751; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:30:15 -0700 To: mal@aristotle.algonet.se (Mats Lofkvist) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Are xdr_float and xdr_double supported now? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:33:59 +0200." <9509151833.AA16785@sophocles.> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:30:14 -0700 Message-ID: <11749.811204214@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Yes, they are. > Seems not to be in the ~2.0.5 version I have. > (/usr/src/lib/libc/xdr/Makefile.inc: "UNSUPPORTED+= xdr_float.c") > _ > Mats Lofkvist > mal@algonet.se From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 16:20:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA14202 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:20:04 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA14196 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:20:03 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA01222; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:19:42 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199509152319.QAA01222@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: xcdplayer and SCSI CD-ROM To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509150639.IAA29449@keltia.Freenix.FR> from "Ollivier Robert" at Sep 15, 95 08:39:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1609 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'll bet that while it's SCSI-2 for data it impliments 'special' (proprietary) audio commands. > > It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > > > > Anyone? > > > > rcisyk@bnr.ca (Rostyslav Cisyk) wrote: > > >Does anybody know whether xcdplayer (from 2.0.5 packages/ports) is supposed > > >to work with 4X SCSI CD-ROMs? > > I have a similar problem. I've never got my Matsushita CD-ROM to play any > audio CDs... I always get "Illegal request" from the driver. cdplay, > xcdplayer, Workman, all fail. > > The CD-ROM came from an Apple computer (on the front, the volume thumb and > the plug for headphones are removed) but it is SCSI2. > > bt0: Bt747 / 0-PCI/EISA/VLB(32bit) bus > bt0: reading board settings, busmastering, int=12 > bt0: version 3.37, fast sync, parity, 32 mbxs, 32 ccbs > bt0: targ 0 sync rate=10.00MB/s(100ns), offset=15 > bt0: targ 2 sync rate=10.00MB/s(100ns), offset=15 > bt0: targ 6 sync rate= 4.54MB/s(220ns), offset=08 > bt0: Using Strict Round robin scheme > bt0 at 0x330 irq 12 on isa > (bt0:0:0): "CONNER CFP1080S 3939" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 > sd0(bt0:0:0): Direct-Access 1030MB (2110812 512 byte sectors) > (bt0:2:0): "SEAGATE ST31200N 8158" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 > sd2(bt0:2:0): Direct-Access 1006MB (2061108 512 byte sectors) > (bt0:6:0): "MATSHITA CD-ROM CR-8004 1.1f" type 5 removable SCSI 2 > cd0(bt0:6:0): CD-ROM > cd0(bt0:6:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present > can't get the size > > > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net > FreeBSD keltia.Freenix.FR 2.2-CURRENT #1: Sun Sep 10 18:50:19 MET DST 1995 > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 17:20:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA18064 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:20:10 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA18054 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:20:07 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA01895; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:18:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:18:56 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199509160018.UAA01895@Glock.COM> To: Coranth Gryphon Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: more ifconfig alias problems... In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, September 15, 1995 13:08:27 -0400 References: <199509151708.NAA03743@healer.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, September 15, 1995 at 13:08:27 (-0400), Coranth Gryphon wrote: > Matthew C. Mead says: > > root@Glock % ifconfig ed0 neon alias netmask 255.255.255.0 > > ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists > > > > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong, or do I need to upgrade? > > Try this. For the primary ed0 interface, use: > > root# ifconfig ed0 inet 10.20.30.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > This gives you the first one (it'll probably be done automatically by > rc.sysconfig and rc.netstart). Obviously substitute your address for > the "10.20.30.1" example :-) > > To add the second address, use: > > root# ifconfig ed0 alias 10.20.30.2 netmask 255.255.255.255 > > If it is on the same class-c as the first address, or: > > root# ifconfig ed0 alias 10.20.40.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > If it is on a different class-c than the primary ed0 address. > > Either alias line can be added to the rc.netstart script to be run > automatically. Put if after the "for ifn in ${network_interfaces}" > block (ie. after the "done"). Thanks - this worked! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM | Network Administration and Software Development http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ | Consulting: BizNet Technologies -> mmead@bnt.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 17:23:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA18441 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:23:16 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA18432 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:23:13 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA02108; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:22:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:22:55 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199509160022.UAA02108@Glock.COM> To: Julian Elischer Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: more ifconfig alias problems... In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, September 15, 1995 12:32:56 -0700 References: <199509151615.MAA07761@Glock.COM> <199509151932.MAA00247@ref.tfs.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, September 15, 1995 at 12:32:56 (-0700), Julian Elischer wrote: > make the netmask on aliases be 255.255.255.255 > there was talk of making this the default when an 'alias' but I don't > know if it was done It doesn't appear so. Thanks for the hint. I must have missed the information last time around. -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM | Network Administration and Software Development http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ | Consulting: BizNet Technologies -> mmead@bnt.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 18:14:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA22271 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:14:06 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA22258 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:14:01 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA12444 for hackers@freefall; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:11:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:11:49 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199509160111.SAA12444@time.cdrom.com> To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: iostat and lp0 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Shouldn't iostat report parallel port I/O? It's kind of hard otherwise to measure performance and load with the lp0 network device.. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Sep 15 22:42:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA29431 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:42:16 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA29418 ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:41:35 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id HAA10744 ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 07:41:32 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id HAA23841 ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 07:41:30 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.Freenix.FR (8.7.Beta.14/keltia-uucp-2.4) id CAA02189; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 02:46:19 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199509160046.CAA02189@keltia.Freenix.FR> Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD suffer from the Intel RZ1000 IDE bug? To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 02:46:19 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: sos@freebsd.org, jehamby@lightside.com, R.L.Hesketh@ukc.ac.uk, hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509151700.KAA01359@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Sep 15, 95 10:00:32 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1085 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7a+] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Terry Lambert said: > > Less CPU load ? > > Is why you buy SCSI instead of IDE. I've been convinced of that for a long time and will never buy *IDE. The problem is that most people don't realize that IDE is only a money-only-short-term decision they pay one way or the other later. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.Freenix.FR 2.2-CURRENT #1: Sun Sep 10 18:50:19 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 03:50:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id DAA15301 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 03:50:37 -0700 Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA15281 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 03:50:24 -0700 Received: (from didier@localhost) by aida (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA02279; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 14:51:11 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 14:51:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Didier Derny X-Sender: didier@aida To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: atapi.c and wcd.c missing.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi This morning I've updated my -stable source tree with sup. but I have been unable to rebuild the kernel I got the following message cc: ../../i386/isa/atapi.c not found cc: ../../i386/isa/wcd.c not found I'm not sure that the exact message was "not found" but it meant not found. I checked on ftp.freebsd.org but these files are not present either What can I do to resolved this problem. Thanks for your help -- Didier Derny didier@aida.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 04:18:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA18124 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 04:18:52 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA18119 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 04:18:49 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA04345; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 04:17:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA01063; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 04:19:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199509161119.EAA01063@corbin.Root.COM> To: Didier Derny cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapi.c and wcd.c missing.... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Sep 95 14:51:09 +0200." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 04:19:52 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >This morning I've updated my -stable source tree with sup. > >but I have been unable to rebuild the kernel > >I got the following message > >cc: ../../i386/isa/atapi.c not found >cc: ../../i386/isa/wcd.c not found > >I'm not sure that the exact message was "not found" but it meant not found. > >I checked on ftp.freebsd.org but these files are not present either > >What can I do to resolved this problem. It appears that you've added support for ATAPI CDROMs in your kernel config file? The solution is to not specify this in your kernel config file. Look for the entry 'wdc0' and remove it. We have not yet brought in the ATAPI cdrom support. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 05:05:40 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA19505 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 05:05:40 -0700 Received: from snoopy.mv.com (snoopy.mv.com [199.125.64.182]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA19500 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 05:05:37 -0700 Received: (from pw@localhost) by snoopy.mv.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA18716; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:05:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:05:16 -0400 From: "Paul F. Werkowski" Message-Id: <199509160005.UAA18716@snoopy.mv.com> To: julian@ref.tfs.com CC: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199509152319.QAA01222@ref.tfs.com> (message from Julian Elischer on Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:19:41 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: xcdplayer and SCSI CD-ROM Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Julian" == Julian Elischer writes: Julian> I'll bet that while it's SCSI-2 for data it impliments Julian> 'special' (proprietary) audio commands. >> It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > > Anyone? > > >> rcisyk@bnr.ca (Rostyslav Cisyk) wrote: > >Does anybody know >> whether xcdplayer (from 2.0.5 packages/ports) is supposed > >to >> work with 4X SCSI CD-ROMs? >> Hmm, well maybe, however I have just recently tried getting xmcd running on this 2.0.5 system. What worked fine on 2.0 now can't seem to find any disk in the player. This with 1542cf/NEC 4xi. I hope to have some time this weekend to figure out what is going on. Can anyone report that any scsi based audio cd works these days? Paul Werkowski pw@snoopy.mv.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 06:56:09 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA27640 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 06:56:09 -0700 Received: from healer.com (healer-gw.Empire.Net [205.164.80.204]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA27618 ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 06:56:00 -0700 Received: (from gryphon@localhost) by healer.com (8.6.11/8.6.9.1) id JAA07352; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 09:57:22 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 09:57:22 -0400 From: Coranth Gryphon Message-Id: <199509161357.JAA07352@healer.com> To: roberto@keltia.Freenix.FR, terry@lambert.org Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD suffer from the Intel RZ1000 IDE bug? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, jehamby@lightside.com, questions@freebsd.org, R.L.Hesketh@ukc.ac.uk, sos@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk From: Ollivier Robert > It seems that Terry Lambert said: > > > Less CPU load ? > > > > Is why you buy SCSI instead of IDE. > > I've been convinced of that for a long time and will never buy *IDE. The > problem is that most people don't realize that IDE is only a > money-only-short-term decision they pay one way or the other later. IDE has one real drawback, you can't chain anywhere near the same extent, so you really have to replace one drive with a larger drive for upgrades. Don't get me wrong, for a high-end machine, I'd go SCSI all the way. But for a machine where you do not head real fast disk access, and can live with a reasonable max of 2-3 Gig, SCSI can't compare to IDE for a cheap fast solution. And on older (486) machines, a VLB IDE controller still gives better performance (by observation, regardless of whether its technically possible). -coranth ------------------------------------------+------------------------+ Coranth Gryphon | "Faith Manages." | | - Satai Delenn | Phone: 603-598-3440 Fax: 603-598-3430 +------------------------+ USMail: 11 Carver St, Nashua, NH 03060 Disclaimer: All these words are yours, except Europa... From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 08:02:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA01979 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:02:47 -0700 Received: from jau.csc.fi (root@jau.csc.fi [193.166.1.196]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA01956 ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:02:23 -0700 Received: (from jau@localhost) by jau.csc.fi (8.6.12/8.6.12+CSC-2.0) id SAA02059; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:02:11 +0300 From: Jukka Ukkonen Message-Id: <199509161502.SAA02059@jau.csc.fi> Subject: Session ID and ps showing real SID... To: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:02:10 +0300 (EET DST) Reply-To: ukkonen@aphrodite.funet.fi Latin-Date: Simbata XVI Septembrie a.d. MCMXCV Organization: Private person Phone: +358-0-578628 (home) Content-Conversion: prohibited X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 15736 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi all! It has been quite a while since offered I my idea of adding a system call named getsid() to FreeBSD. Afterwards I have added also a new TIOCGSID ioctl to the system and fixed a bit my initial getsid(). I also modified ps to show the SID instead of the addresses of the session structures. The old "ps -j" is now invoked with "ps -J" in my system. I think my current -j option is much more informative than the original version. Here is a sample of the output from "ps -jax" (jau) 17:02 ~# ps -jax USER PID PPID PGID SID JOBC STAT TT TIME COMMAND root 0 0 0 176 0 DLs ?? 0:00.00 (swapper) root 1 0 1 1 0 Is ?? 0:00.06 /sbin/init -- root 2 0 0 0 0 DL ?? 0:01.37 (pagedaemon) root 3 0 0 0 0 DL ?? 0:00.16 (vmdaemon) root 4 0 0 0 0 DL ?? 0:00.54 (update) root 56 1 56 56 0 Is ?? 0:00.31 syslogd root 65 1 65 65 0 Sgetsid.patch << 'END-of-getsid.patch' X*** /usr/src/lib/libc/sys/Makefile.inc.orig Sat May 27 07:17:04 1995 X--- /usr/src/lib/libc/sys/Makefile.inc Fri Jul 7 01:46:41 1995 X*************** X*** 17,23 **** X fchflags.o fchmod.o fchown.o fcntl.o flock.o fpathconf.o fstat.o \ X fstatfs.o fsync.o getdirentries.o getdtablesize.o getegid.o \ X geteuid.o getfh.o getfsstat.o getgid.o getgroups.o getitimer.o \ X! getpeername.o getpgrp.o getpid.o getppid.o getpriority.o \ X getrlimit.o getrusage.o getsockname.o getsockopt.o gettimeofday.o \ X getuid.o ioctl.o kill.o ktrace.o lfs_bmapv.o lfs_markv.o \ X lfs_segclean.o lfs_segwait.o link.o listen.o lstat.o \ X--- 17,23 ---- X fchflags.o fchmod.o fchown.o fcntl.o flock.o fpathconf.o fstat.o \ X fstatfs.o fsync.o getdirentries.o getdtablesize.o getegid.o \ X geteuid.o getfh.o getfsstat.o getgid.o getgroups.o getitimer.o \ X! getpeername.o getpgrp.o getpid.o getppid.o getsid.o getpriority.o \ X getrlimit.o getrusage.o getsockname.o getsockopt.o gettimeofday.o \ X getuid.o ioctl.o kill.o ktrace.o lfs_bmapv.o lfs_markv.o \ X lfs_segclean.o lfs_segwait.o link.o listen.o lstat.o \ X*** /usr/include/sys/syscall.h.orig Sun Apr 23 15:22:06 1995 X--- /usr/include/sys/syscall.h Sat Jul 8 00:07:56 1995 X*************** X*** 191,193 **** X--- 191,194 ---- X #define SYS___sysctl 202 X #define SYS_mlock 203 X #define SYS_munlock 204 X+ #define SYS_getsid 205 X*** /usr/include/sys/syscall-hide.h.orig Fri Jul 7 01:14:16 1995 X--- /usr/include/sys/syscall-hide.h Fri Jul 7 01:13:22 1995 X*************** X*** 214,216 **** X--- 214,217 ---- X HIDE_BSD(__sysctl) X HIDE_BSD(mlock) X HIDE_BSD(munlock) X+ HIDE_BSD(getsid) X*** /sys/kern/init_sysent.c.orig Fri Jul 7 09:27:51 1995 X--- /sys/kern/init_sysent.c Fri Jul 7 09:28:25 1995 X*************** X*** 177,182 **** X--- 177,183 ---- X int __sysctl(); X int mlock(); X int munlock(); X+ int getsid(); X int lkmnosys(); X X #ifdef COMPAT_43 X*************** X*** 484,490 **** X { 6, __sysctl }, /* 202 = __sysctl */ X { 2, mlock }, /* 203 = mlock */ X { 2, munlock }, /* 204 = munlock */ X! { 0, nosys }, /* 205 = nosys */ X { 0, nosys }, /* 206 = nosys */ X { 0, nosys }, /* 207 = nosys */ X { 0, nosys }, /* 208 = nosys */ X--- 485,492 ---- X { 6, __sysctl }, /* 202 = __sysctl */ X { 2, mlock }, /* 203 = mlock */ X { 2, munlock }, /* 204 = munlock */ X! /* { 0, nosys }, 205 = nosys */ X! { 1, getsid }, /* 205 = getsid */ X { 0, nosys }, /* 206 = nosys */ X { 0, nosys }, /* 207 = nosys */ X { 0, nosys }, /* 208 = nosys */ X*** /sys/kern/kern_proc.c.orig Tue May 30 11:05:37 1995 X--- /sys/kern/kern_proc.c Sun Jul 9 13:35:29 1995 X*************** X*** 211,216 **** X--- 211,217 ---- X MALLOC(sess, struct session *, sizeof(struct session), X M_SESSION, M_WAITOK); X sess->s_leader = p; X+ sess->s_sid = p->p_pid; X sess->s_count = 1; X sess->s_ttyvp = NULL; X sess->s_ttyp = NULL; X*** /sys/kern/kern_prot.c.orig Fri Jul 7 09:27:51 1995 X--- /sys/kern/kern_prot.c Mon Jul 10 00:00:16 1995 X*************** X*** 95,100 **** X--- 95,149 ---- X return (0); X } X X+ /* X+ * External signature: pid_t getsid (pid_t); X+ * X+ * SVR4 style system call getsid() exists only for X+ * compatibility because this is a trick which is practically X+ * impossible to do from within a user space subroutine. X+ * Often this kind of information is useful to have though, X+ * and probably X/Open will require this anyway. X+ */ X+ X+ struct getsid_args { X+ pid_t pid; X+ }; X+ X+ /* ARGSUSED */ X+ int X+ getsid (p, uap, retval) X+ struct proc *p; X+ struct getsid_args *uap; X+ int *retval; X+ { X+ register struct proc *targp; /* taget process */ X+ X+ if (! uap->pid || (uap->pid == p->p_pid)) X+ targp = p; X+ else { X+ if (! (targp = pfind(uap->pid))) X+ return (ESRCH); X+ X+ /* X+ * For true pedantics only... X+ * 1. Either current proc must be owned by root, X+ * 2. or be part of the same session as the target, X+ * 3. or be owned by the same effective uid as the target, X+ * 4. or target must be a descendant of the caller. X+ */ X+ if (p->p_cred->pc_ucred->cr_uid X+ && (targp->p_session != p->p_session) X+ && (targp->p_cred->pc_ucred->cr_uid X+ != p->p_cred->pc_ucred->cr_uid) X+ && ! inferior(targp)) X+ return (EPERM); X+ } X+ X+ *retval = targp->p_session->s_sid; X+ X+ return (0); X+ } X+ X /* ARGSUSED */ X int X getuid(p, uap, retval) X*** /sys/kern/syscalls.c.orig Fri Jul 7 09:27:51 1995 X--- /sys/kern/syscalls.c Fri Jul 7 09:28:25 1995 X*************** X*** 246,252 **** X "__sysctl", /* 202 = __sysctl */ X "mlock", /* 203 = mlock */ X "munlock", /* 204 = munlock */ X! "#205", /* 205 = nosys */ X "#206", /* 206 = nosys */ X "#207", /* 207 = nosys */ X "#208", /* 208 = nosys */ X--- 246,253 ---- X "__sysctl", /* 202 = __sysctl */ X "mlock", /* 203 = mlock */ X "munlock", /* 204 = munlock */ X! /* "#205", 205 = nosys */ X! "getsid", /* 205 = getsid */ X "#206", /* 206 = nosys */ X "#207", /* 207 = nosys */ X "#208", /* 208 = nosys */ X*** /sys/kern/syscalls.master.orig Fri Jul 7 09:27:51 1995 X--- /sys/kern/syscalls.master Fri Jul 7 09:28:25 1995 X*************** X*** 277,283 **** X ; here allows to avoid one in libc/sys/Makefile.inc. X 203 STD 2 BSD mlock X 204 STD 2 BSD munlock X! 205 UNIMPL 0 NOHIDE nosys X 206 UNIMPL 0 NOHIDE nosys X 207 UNIMPL 0 NOHIDE nosys X 208 UNIMPL 0 NOHIDE nosys X--- 277,284 ---- X ; here allows to avoid one in libc/sys/Makefile.inc. X 203 STD 2 BSD mlock X 204 STD 2 BSD munlock X! ; 205 UNIMPL 0 NOHIDE nosys X! 205 STD 1 BSD getsid X 206 UNIMPL 0 NOHIDE nosys X 207 UNIMPL 0 NOHIDE nosys X 208 UNIMPL 0 NOHIDE nosys X*** /usr/include/unistd.h.orig Sun Jun 4 16:45:57 1995 X--- /usr/include/unistd.h Fri Jul 7 08:25:45 1995 X*************** X*** 76,81 **** X--- 76,82 ---- X pid_t getpgrp __P((void)); X pid_t getpid __P((void)); X pid_t getppid __P((void)); X+ pid_t getsid __P((pid_t)); X uid_t getuid __P((void)); X int isatty __P((int)); X int link __P((const char *, const char *)); END-of-getsid.patch echo x - ps-sid.patch sed 's/^X//' >ps-sid.patch << 'END-of-ps-sid.patch' X*** extern.h.orig Sat Sep 24 02:56:42 1994 X--- extern.h Sun Jul 30 10:32:15 1995 X*************** X*** 50,55 **** X--- 50,56 ---- X void cputime __P((KINFO *, VARENT *)); X int donlist __P((void)); X void evar __P((KINFO *, VARENT *)); X+ void psid __P((KINFO *, VARENT *)); X char *fmt_argv __P((char **, char *, int)); X double getpcpu __P((KINFO *)); X double getpmem __P((KINFO *)); X*** keyword.c.orig Sun Oct 2 08:33:28 1994 X--- keyword.c Sun Jul 30 10:59:36 1995 X*************** X*** 143,148 **** X--- 143,149 ---- X ULONG, UIDFMT}, X {"ruser", "RUSER", NULL, LJUST, runame, USERLEN}, X {"sess", "SESS", NULL, 0, evar, 6, EOFF(e_sess), KPTR, "x"}, X+ {"sid", "SID", NULL, 0, psid, PIDLEN, POFF(p_pid), LONG, PIDFMT}, X {"sig", "PENDING", NULL, 0, pvar, 8, POFF(p_siglist), LONG, "x"}, X {"sigcatch", "CAUGHT", NULL, 0, pvar, 8, POFF(p_sigcatch), LONG, "x"}, X {"sigignore", "IGNORED", X*************** X*** 160,165 **** X--- 161,167 ---- X {"time", "TIME", NULL, USER, cputime, 9}, X {"tpgid", "TPGID", NULL, 0, evar, 4, EOFF(e_tpgid), ULONG, PIDFMT}, X {"tsess", "TSESS", NULL, 0, evar, 6, EOFF(e_tsess), KPTR, "x"}, X+ /* {"tsess", "TSESS", NULL, 0, psid, 6, EOFF(e_tsess), LONG, "d"}, */ X {"tsiz", "TSIZ", NULL, 0, tsize, 4}, X {"tt", "TT", NULL, LJUST, tname, 3}, X {"tty", "TTY", NULL, LJUST, longtname, 8}, X*************** X*** 229,234 **** X--- 231,237 ---- X {"rtprio", "RTPRIO", NULL, 0, pvar, 7, POFF(p_rtprio), LONG, "d"}, X {"ruser", "RUSER", NULL, LJUST, runame, USERLEN}, X {"sess", "SESS", NULL, 0, evar, 6, EOFF(e_sess), KPTR, "x"}, X+ {"sid", "SID", NULL, 0, psid, PIDLEN, POFF(p_pid), LONG, PIDFMT}, X {"sig", "PENDING", NULL, 0, pvar, 8, POFF(p_sig), LONG, "x"}, X {"sigcatch", "CAUGHT", NULL, 0, pvar, 8, POFF(p_sigcatch), LONG, "x"}, X {"sigignore", "IGNORED", X*************** X*** 247,252 **** X--- 250,256 ---- X {"tpgid", "TPGID", NULL, 0, evar, 4, EOFF(e_tpgid), ULONG, PIDFMT}, X {"trs", "TRS", NULL, 0, trss, 3}, X {"tsess", "TSESS", NULL, 0, evar, 6, EOFF(e_tsess), KPTR, "x"}, X+ /* {"tsess", "TSESS", NULL, 0, psid, 6, EOFF(e_tsess), LONG, "d"}, */ X {"tsiz", "TSIZ", NULL, 0, tsize, 4}, X {"tt", "TT", NULL, LJUST, tname, 3}, X {"tty", "TTY", NULL, LJUST, longtname, 8}, X*** print.c.orig Tue May 30 00:07:04 1995 X--- print.c Sun Jul 30 10:17:58 1995 X*************** X*** 742,744 **** X--- 742,757 ---- X else X (void)printf("%*s", v->width, "-"); X } X+ X+ void X+ psid(k, ve) X+ KINFO *k; X+ VARENT *ve; X+ { X+ VAR *v; X+ pid_t sid = getsid (k->ki_p->kp_proc.p_pid); X+ X+ v = ve->var; X+ printval((char *) &sid, v); X+ } X+ X*** ps.c.orig Tue May 30 03:07:05 1995 X--- ps.c Tue Aug 1 19:48:42 1995 X*************** X*** 92,98 **** X static void usage __P((void)); X X char dfmt[] = "pid tt state time command"; X! char jfmt[] = "user pid ppid pgid sess jobc state tt time command"; X char lfmt[] = "uid pid ppid cpu pri nice vsz rss wchan state tt time command"; X char o1[] = "pid"; X char o2[] = "tt state time command"; X--- 92,99 ---- X static void usage __P((void)); X X char dfmt[] = "pid tt state time command"; X! char Jfmt[] = "user pid ppid pgid sess jobc state tt time command"; X! char jfmt[] = "user pid ppid pgid sid jobc state tt time command"; X char lfmt[] = "uid pid ppid cpu pri nice vsz rss wchan state tt time command"; X char o1[] = "pid"; X char o2[] = "tt state time command"; X*************** X*** 133,139 **** X ttydev = NODEV; X memf = nlistf = swapf = NULL; X while ((ch = getopt(argc, argv, X! "aCeghjLlM:mN:O:o:p:rSTt:uvW:wx")) != EOF) X switch((char)ch) { X case 'a': X all = 1; X--- 134,140 ---- X ttydev = NODEV; X memf = nlistf = swapf = NULL; X while ((ch = getopt(argc, argv, X! "aCeghJjLlM:mN:O:o:p:rSTt:uvW:wx")) != EOF) X switch((char)ch) { X case 'a': X all = 1; X*************** X*** 148,153 **** X--- 149,159 ---- X break; /* no-op */ X case 'h': X prtheader = ws.ws_row > 5 ? ws.ws_row : 22; X+ break; X+ case 'J': X+ parsefmt(Jfmt); X+ fmt = 1; X+ jfmt[0] = '\0'; X break; X case 'j': X parsefmt(jfmt); END-of-ps-sid.patch echo x - TIOCGSID.patch sed 's/^X//' >TIOCGSID.patch << 'END-of-TIOCGSID.patch' X*** /usr/include/sys/ttycom.h.orig Tue May 30 11:14:42 1995 X--- /usr/include/sys/ttycom.h Fri Aug 18 19:51:59 1995 X*************** X*** 90,95 **** X--- 90,96 ---- X #define TIOCCBRK _IO('t', 122) /* clear break bit */ X #define TIOCSDTR _IO('t', 121) /* set data terminal ready */ X #define TIOCCDTR _IO('t', 120) /* clear data terminal ready */ X+ #define TIOCGSID _IOR('t', 128, int) /* get sid of a tty */ X #define TIOCGPGRP _IOR('t', 119, int) /* get pgrp of tty */ X #define TIOCSPGRP _IOW('t', 118, int) /* set pgrp of tty */ X /* 117-116 compat */ X*** /sys/kern/tty.c.orig Mon Jun 5 09:11:05 1995 X--- /sys/kern/tty.c Fri Aug 18 19:57:37 1995 X*************** X*** 771,776 **** X--- 771,784 ---- X return (ENOTTY); X *(int *)data = tp->t_pgrp ? tp->t_pgrp->pg_id : NO_PID; X break; X+ #ifdef TIOCGSID X+ case TIOCGSID: /* get sid of a tty */ X+ if (!isctty(p, tp)) X+ return (ENOTTY); X+ *(int *)data = (tp->t_session X+ ? tp->t_t_session->s_sid : NO_PID); X+ break; X+ #endif X #ifdef TIOCHPCL X case TIOCHPCL: /* hang up on last close */ X s = spltty(); END-of-TIOCGSID.patch exit From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 08:52:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA05550 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:52:57 -0700 Received: from localhost.lightside.com (user58.lightside.com [198.81.209.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA05537 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:52:50 -0700 Received: (from jehamby@localhost) by localhost.lightside.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA02689; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:53:33 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:53:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby X-Sender: jehamby@localhost To: David Greenman cc: Didier Derny , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapi.c and wcd.c missing.... In-Reply-To: <199509161119.EAA01063@corbin.Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, David Greenman wrote: > >This morning I've updated my -stable source tree with sup. > > > >but I have been unable to rebuild the kernel > > > >I got the following message > > > >cc: ../../i386/isa/atapi.c not found > >cc: ../../i386/isa/wcd.c not found > > > >I'm not sure that the exact message was "not found" but it meant not found. > > > >I checked on ftp.freebsd.org but these files are not present either > > > >What can I do to resolved this problem. > > It appears that you've added support for ATAPI CDROMs in your kernel config > file? The solution is to not specify this in your kernel config file. Look for > the entry 'wdc0' and remove it. We have not yet brought in the ATAPI cdrom > support. > > -DG > But ATAPI support WILL be added to -stable sometime before 2.1.0, right? I ask because so many people have bought IDE CD-ROM drives (including myself and one friend who wants to install FreeBSD but wait for the CD-ROM release of 2.1.0 :-) and the vast majority of drives will probably work with the current ATAPI drivers. Support for the largest possible range of CD-ROM drives is also important in order to actually INSTALL FreeBSD when it's distributed on CD-ROM without copying it to the hard drive, first. Just wanted to verify that this WOULD be in 2.1.0, even if it does have some problems, it's far better than nothing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jake Hamby | E-Mail: jehamby@lightside.com Student, Cal Poly University, Pomona | System Administrator, JPL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 09:28:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA07682 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 09:28:41 -0700 Received: from aslan.cdrom.com (aslan.cdrom.com [192.216.223.142]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA07677 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 09:28:39 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA05500; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 09:25:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199509161625.JAA05500@aslan.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: aslan.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Didier Derny cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapi.c and wcd.c missing.... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Sep 1995 14:51:09 +0200." Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 09:25:46 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Hi > >This morning I've updated my -stable source tree with sup. > >but I have been unable to rebuild the kernel > >I got the following message > >cc: ../../i386/isa/atapi.c not found >cc: ../../i386/isa/wcd.c not found You have to re-run config again. The atapi code is not in -stable. >-- >Didier Derny >didier@aida.org > > -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 09:37:49 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA08318 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 09:37:49 -0700 Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA08284 ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 09:37:43 -0700 Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA26168; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:40:24 -0600 From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199509161640.KAA26168@hemi.com> Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD suffer from the Intel RZ1000 IDE bug? To: gryphon@healer.com (Coranth Gryphon) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Cc: roberto@keltia.Freenix.FR, terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org, jehamby@lightside.com, questions@freebsd.org, R.L.Hesketh@ukc.ac.uk, sos@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509161357.JAA07352@healer.com> from "Coranth Gryphon" at Sep 16, 95 09:57:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 810 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > From: Ollivier Robert > > It seems that Terry Lambert said: > > > > Less CPU load ? > > > > > > Is why you buy SCSI instead of IDE. [stuff deleted] > But for a machine where you do not head real fast disk access, and > can live with a reasonable max of 2-3 Gig, SCSI can't compare to IDE for > a cheap fast solution. > > -coranth Yes, I'd go with SCSI for high end machines. Even so, the "reasonable max" for IDE systems will always go up. At least one manufacturer is developing a 3.4 gb EIDE drive, and some computers can take four IDE drives (two controllers). -Ade -------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - www: -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 10:08:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA10739 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:08:18 -0700 Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA10721 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:08:12 -0700 Received: (from didier@localhost) by aida (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA00414; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:10:37 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:10:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: Didier Derny X-Sender: didier@aida To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD 2.0.5 / Zip woes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi I have been unable to install a file system on a zip drive When I try to save the partition table I get the following message: ioctl DIOCWLABEL: Operation not supported by device. I used the zip drives with FreeBSD-2.0 without any problems. -- Didier Derny didier@aida.org --- I boycott everything from: new zealand, australia, denmark, england From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 10:08:23 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA10769 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:08:23 -0700 Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA10722 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:08:13 -0700 Received: (from didier@localhost) by aida (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA00379; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:01:40 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:01:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: Didier Derny X-Sender: didier@aida To: David Greenman cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapi.c and wcd.c missing.... In-Reply-To: <199509161119.EAA01063@corbin.Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, David Greenman wrote: > >This morning I've updated my -stable source tree with sup. > > > >but I have been unable to rebuild the kernel > > > >I got the following message > > > >cc: ../../i386/isa/atapi.c not found > >cc: ../../i386/isa/wcd.c not found > > > >I'm not sure that the exact message was "not found" but it meant not found. > > > >I checked on ftp.freebsd.org but these files are not present either > > > >What can I do to resolved this problem. > > It appears that you've added support for ATAPI CDROMs in your kernel config > file? The solution is to not specify this in your kernel config file. Look for > the entry 'wdc0' and remove it. We have not yet brought in the ATAPI cdrom > support. > > -DG > I used the GENERIC file without any modifications I will check I this file. Thanks for your help -- Didier Derny didier@aida.org --- I boycott everything from: new zealand, australia, denmark, england From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 10:08:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA10799 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:08:31 -0700 Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA10746 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:08:19 -0700 Received: (from didier@localhost) by aida (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA00387; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:03:13 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:03:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Didier Derny X-Sender: didier@aida To: Jake Hamby cc: David Greenman , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapi.c and wcd.c missing.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, Jake Hamby wrote: > On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, David Greenman wrote: > > > >This morning I've updated my -stable source tree with sup. > > > > > >but I have been unable to rebuild the kernel > > > > > >I got the following message > > > > > >cc: ../../i386/isa/atapi.c not found > > >cc: ../../i386/isa/wcd.c not found > > > > > >I'm not sure that the exact message was "not found" but it meant not found. > > > > > >I checked on ftp.freebsd.org but these files are not present either > > > > > >What can I do to resolved this problem. > > > > It appears that you've added support for ATAPI CDROMs in your kernel config > > file? The solution is to not specify this in your kernel config file. Look for > > the entry 'wdc0' and remove it. We have not yet brought in the ATAPI cdrom > > support. > > > > -DG > > > > But ATAPI support WILL be added to -stable sometime before 2.1.0, right? > I ask because so many people have bought IDE CD-ROM drives (including > myself and one friend who wants to install FreeBSD but wait for the CD-ROM > release of 2.1.0 :-) and the vast majority of drives will probably work with > the current ATAPI drivers. Support for the largest possible range of > CD-ROM drives is also important in order to actually INSTALL FreeBSD when > it's distributed on CD-ROM without copying it to the hard drive, first. > Just wanted to verify that this WOULD be in 2.1.0, even if it does have > some problems, it's far better than nothing. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jake Hamby | E-Mail: jehamby@lightside.com > Student, Cal Poly University, Pomona | System Administrator, JPL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I only have SCSI devices. I consider IDE devices as worthless (My personal point of view) -- Didier Derny didier@aida.org --- I boycott everything from: new zealand, australia, denmark, england From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 10:08:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA10835 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:08:52 -0700 Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA10819 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:08:45 -0700 Received: (from didier@localhost) by aida (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA00400; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:07:17 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:07:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: Didier Derny X-Sender: didier@aida To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapi.c and wcd.c missing.... In-Reply-To: <199509161625.JAA05500@aslan.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >Hi > > > >This morning I've updated my -stable source tree with sup. > > > >but I have been unable to rebuild the kernel > > > >I got the following message > > > >cc: ../../i386/isa/atapi.c not found > >cc: ../../i386/isa/wcd.c not found > > You have to re-run config again. The atapi code is not in -stable. > > >-- > >Didier Derny > >didier@aida.org > > > > > > -- > Justin T. Gibbs > =========================================== > Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM > FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations > =========================================== > the following lines are in the original GENERIC config file options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options wcd0 #IDE CD-ROM I'm sure that if I remove these line I will be able to build a new kernel. I've never inserted these lines there might be a problem somehere... Thanks for your help -- Didier Derny didier@aida.org --- I boycott everything from: new zealand, australia, denmark, england From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 10:30:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA12451 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:30:20 -0700 Received: from aslan.cdrom.com (aslan.cdrom.com [192.216.223.142]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA12440 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:30:17 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05875; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:29:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199509161729.KAA05875@aslan.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: aslan.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Didier Derny cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.0.5 / Zip woes In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:10:37 +0200." Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:29:36 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >Hi > >I have been unable to install a file system on a zip drive > >When I try to save the partition table I get the following message: > >ioctl DIOCWLABEL: Operation not supported by device. > >I used the zip drives with FreeBSD-2.0 without any problems. > >-- >Didier Derny >didier@aida.org >--- I boycott everything from: new zealand, australia, denmark, england Use fdisk to convert a DOS partitioned zip disk to use sysid 165. All other parameters of the partition should remain intact. Then, do a "disklabel -w -r sd4s2 zip100 Where the sliced device number may be different on your system, and zip100 is the following /etc/disktab entry. zip100|Iomega Zip 100: \ :ty=winchester:dt=SCSI:se#512:nt#64:ns#32:nc#96:rm#3600:\ :pa#196576:oa#0:ba#4096:fa#512:ta=4.2BSD: \ :pc#196576:oc#0: This assumes 64/32 translation ala an Adatptec. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 10:47:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA14124 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:47:06 -0700 Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA14093 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:46:57 -0700 Received: (from didier@localhost) by aida (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA00462; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:25:04 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:25:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Didier Derny X-Sender: didier@aida To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapi.c and wcd.c missing.... In-Reply-To: <199509161625.JAA05500@aslan.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >Hi > > > >This morning I've updated my -stable source tree with sup. > > > >but I have been unable to rebuild the kernel > > > >I got the following message > > > >cc: ../../i386/isa/atapi.c not found > >cc: ../../i386/isa/wcd.c not found > > You have to re-run config again. The atapi code is not in -stable. > > >-- > >Didier Derny > >didier@aida.org > > > > > > -- > Justin T. Gibbs > =========================================== > Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM > FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations > =========================================== > I've just destroyed the GENERIC file and used sup to upgrade my source tree, and I ve got the same GENERIC file with the ATAPI line. -- Didier Derny didier@aida.org --- I boycott everything from: new zealand, australia, denmark, england From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 10:57:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA16219 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:57:16 -0700 Received: from chrome.onramp.net (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA16204 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:57:14 -0700 Received: from localhost.jdl.com (localhost.jdl.com [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.onramp.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA13742; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:55:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199509161755.MAA13742@chrome.onramp.net> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.onramp.net: Host localhost.jdl.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Didier Derny cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapi.c and wcd.c missing.... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:03:12 +0200." Reply-To: jdl@chromatic.com Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:55:41 -0500 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Apparently, Didier Derny scribbled: > > I only have SCSI devices. I consider IDE devices as worthless > (My personal point of view) Well, me too. But *just* above worthless. I've got *only* IDE trash here in hand. I'd love to replace it all with SCSI, but I dont' have the cash to do so yet... So, there *is* value in supplying IDE drivers. As much as we'd like to, I don't think we can simply ignore them. I'd like to see the ATAPI code in the 2.1 release if possible, and to that end, I've been working on debugging it some. jdl From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 11:26:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA21626 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:26:07 -0700 Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (precipice.shockwave.com [171.69.108.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA21583 ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:26:02 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA07664; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:25:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199509161825.LAA07664@precipice.shockwave.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: looking for REALLY good hardware diagnostics Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:25:30 -0700 From: Paul Traina Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've got two systems, one an early-model pentium, the other a Cx486DLC both experiencing the occasional odd failure when running under FreeBSD and I want to double-check the hardware on these machines. (Yes, I know about the cache weirdness on the 486DLC, I've even disabled the internal cache completely as part of my testing). I think the Pentium either has a bad CPU (likely) or a bad cache chip (unlikely) and the DLC either has a bad cache chip (likely) or bad dram (unlikely). Does anyone have ANY pointers whatsoever to a really really really good and thorough set of diagnostics that could be used to check for hardware faults? Specificly, anything that can be used to diagnose external caches, memory, (and in the case of the pentium, perform cpu diagnostics) would be cool. Paul From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 11:49:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA27503 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:49:32 -0700 Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA27452 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:49:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA09932 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:48:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199509161848.MAA09932@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol From: Steve Passe To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xcdplayer and SCSI CD-ROM In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:05:16 EDT." <199509160005.UAA18716@snoopy.mv.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:48:29 -0600 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > Hmm, well maybe, however I have just recently tried getting > xmcd running on this 2.0.5 system. What worked fine on 2.0 > now can't seem to find any disk in the player. This with > 1542cf/NEC 4xi. I hope to have some time this weekend to > figure out what is going on. > > Can anyone report that any scsi based audio cd works these days? -------- this sounds like the 'open' problem: Peter Dufault said: >The xmcd program is opening the CD-ROM device read-only. The >SCIOCCOMMAND ioctl requires read/write privileges since it it can't >tell what the commands being submitted to the device do. Here is >a contrived example: an application where as root you lock a CD in >place using PREVENT REMOVAL and then someone with read access uses >ALLOW REMOVAL and EJECT. > >This was fixed soon after the driver change to require this but >the fix doesn't seem to have made it into the standard xmcd >distribution. If you can find out where the open in the source >is you can just add write permissions. -------- Gennady Sorokopud said: >Xmcd-1.4 has a bug in FreeBSD module, that prevents it from working >on 2.0.5 (it works on 2.0 so..). > >You can get and updated FreeBSD version from: .ftp://burka.netvision.net.il/pub/misc/xmcd/xmcd-1.4-fb2.0.5R.tar.gz. >In addition to the bug fix this version has support for ioctl >playing method. So if SCSI interface does not work you can try it out. > >It also contains static and shared binaries. > >I'm now trying to figure out why this version refuses to work on -current. -------- I said: >I also have problems with SCSI audio on 950726-SNAP. > >my machine: > 486/dx2-66, 16MB > adaptec 2842 VLBus SCSI controller > NEC cdr-74 CD-ROM drive > >trying to run xmcd causes panic. i rebuilt kernel with DDB, KTRACE, >and SCSIDEBUG. > >i ran (as root) the command-line tool that comes with xmcd, cda, >to eliminate X11R6 from the equation: > ># export XMCD_LIBDIR=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xmcd ># cda -debug -dev /dev/rcd0c on >[ whole bunch of cda config messages ] > >SCSI CDB bytes: >0000 00 00 00 00 00 00 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ................ >panic: biodone: buffer not busy >Debugger("panic") >Stopped at _Debugger+0x2b: movb $0,_in_Debugger.110 >db> > >what can i do next to help??? never heard from anyone. still willing to help. when will next 2.1 SNAP be available? I have a new disk ready to install latest -stable. because of flaky network access it is much easier to use a snap than 'sup' everything new since 950726-SNAP. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 11:56:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA29731 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:56:51 -0700 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu (nak.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.206.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA29717 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:56:49 -0700 Received: from astron.Berkeley.EDU (astron.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.92.108]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA03970 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:56:48 -0700 Received: by astron.Berkeley.EDU (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA09412; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:56:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 11:56:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Chabot Observatory & Science Center To: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: problem logging in after a make world Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1286 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I am experiencing a problem after doing a sup last night (9/16/95) at 02:08 PDT -800 and doing a make world. For some reason, I can't login or ftp to the machine remotely since I don't have access there over the weekends, any idea what's happening? Here is the output I get: astron>telnet apollo.COSC.GOV Trying 198.94.103.34 ... Connected to apollo.COSC.GOV. Escape character is '^]'. FreeBSD (apollo.COSC.GOV) (ttyp0) login: vince Password: Connection closed by foreign host. astron>ftp apollo.COSC.GOV Connected to apollo.COSC.GOV. 220 apollo.COSC.GOV FTP server (Version 6.00) ready. Name (apollo.COSC.GOV:chabot): vince 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection Login failed. ftp> astron>finger @apollo.COSC.GOV [apollo.COSC.GOV] Login Name TTY Idle Login Time Office Office Phone vince Vincent Poy p1 2:22 Sat 00:26 astron>finger vince@apollo.COSC.GOV [apollo.COSC.GOV] This will just sit here, any ideas what needs to be done to fix this? Your help is greatly appreciated. Cheers, Vince - vince@apollo.COSC.GOV - chabot@astron.Berkeley.EDU UC Berkeley AstroPhysics - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) Chabot Observatory & Science Center Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 12:14:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA01374 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:14:57 -0700 Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA01360 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:14:46 -0700 Received: (from didier@localhost) by aida (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA00599; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:47:03 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:47:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: Didier Derny X-Sender: didier@aida To: jdl@chromatic.com cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapi.c and wcd.c missing.... In-Reply-To: <199509161755.MAA13742@chrome.onramp.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, Jon Loeliger wrote: > Apparently, Didier Derny scribbled: > > > > I only have SCSI devices. I consider IDE devices as worthless > > (My personal point of view) > > Well, me too. But *just* above worthless. I've got *only* IDE > trash here in hand. I'd love to replace it all with SCSI, but > I dont' have the cash to do so yet... So, there *is* value in > supplying IDE drivers. As much as we'd like to, I don't think > we can simply ignore them. I'd like to see the ATAPI code in > the 2.1 release if possible, and to that end, I've been working > on debugging it some. > > jdl > Hi I can't see any reason why the SCSI controller and devices are so expensive. -- Didier Derny didier@aida.org --- I boycott everything from: new zealand, australia, denmark, england From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 12:20:19 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA01658 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:20:19 -0700 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA01651 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:20:05 -0700 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id UAA00526; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:50:20 +0200 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199509161850.UAA00526@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: Max Users To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:50:20 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: gcrutcher@datatrek.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509151819.UAA21645@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Sep 15, 95 08:19:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 469 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > I think the guy with his 11000 entries in the password file had a > small problem in that each run of passwd(1) or chsh(1) did take some > amount of time. :) > > But Guido van Roij came up with a proposal... not sure what's up > there. > He is beta testing it right now, as am I. It works real quick (passwd(1), chsh and friends take 10 seconds for 11.000 line password files.) Unfortunately, vipw will always take as long as it does now. -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 12:38:23 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA03121 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:38:23 -0700 Received: from seagull.rtd.com (root@seagull.rtd.com [198.102.68.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA03116 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:38:21 -0700 Received: (from tony@localhost) by seagull.rtd.com (8.6.12/8.6.9.1) id MAA18369 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:38:19 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:38:19 -0700 From: Tony Jones Message-Id: <199509161938.MAA18369@seagull.rtd.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: kernel without INET ? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to build a stripped down 2.0.5 kernel for fd0. Towards that goal, I tried to remove all network support (devices and protocols). Removing protocol support leaves a reference but no defintion for netisr_set causing the loader to barf. Looking through the code it appears I need to include one of the protocols (INET, ISO etc) to define NETISR_SET. Is there a way to remove all networking support from the kernel ? Thanks in advance tony # make all loading kernel machdep.o: Undefined symbol `_netisr_set' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 12:40:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA03302 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:40:54 -0700 Received: from irbs.irbs.com (irbs.com [199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA03297 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:40:50 -0700 Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA08981; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:40:37 -0400 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199509161940.PAA08981@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: problem logging in after a make world To: chabot@astron.berkeley.edu (Chabot Observatory & Science Center) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Chabot Observatory & Science Center" at Sep 16, 95 11:56:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 664 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chabot Observatory & Science Center writes: > > Hi everyone, > > I am experiencing a problem after doing a sup last night > (9/16/95) at 02:08 PDT -800 and doing a make world. For some reason, I > can't login or ftp to the machine remotely since I don't have access > there over the weekends, any idea what's happening? Here is the output I > get: > [...] I had a problem recently where /dev/tty was missing. As I recall, login would loop when asking for the password since it failed to connect to the terminal via /dev/tty. I don't remember exactly. This doesn't appear to be your problem but thought I would mention it. John Capo IRBS Engineering From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 12:53:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA04724 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:53:04 -0700 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu (nak.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.206.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA04713 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:53:01 -0700 Received: from astron.Berkeley.EDU (astron.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.92.108]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA08819; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:52:54 -0700 Received: by astron.Berkeley.EDU (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA09522; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:52:07 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:52:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chabot Observatory & Science Center To: John Capo Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem logging in after a make world In-Reply-To: <199509161940.PAA08981@irbs.irbs.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1006 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, John Capo wrote: > Chabot Observatory & Science Center writes: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I am experiencing a problem after doing a sup last night > > (9/16/95) at 02:08 PDT -800 and doing a make world. For some reason, I > > can't login or ftp to the machine remotely since I don't have access > > there over the weekends, any idea what's happening? Here is the output I > > get: > > > [...] > > I had a problem recently where /dev/tty was missing. As I recall, > login would loop when asking for the password since it failed to > connect to the terminal via /dev/tty. I don't remember exactly. > > This doesn't appear to be your problem but thought I would mention > it. How did you fix that problem though since I know I had the /dev/tty's there before the make world. Cheers, Vince - vince@apollo.COSC.GOV Chabot Observatory & Science Center UC Berkeley AstroPhysics - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 13:11:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA09669 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 13:11:55 -0700 Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA09629 ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 13:11:45 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA01803; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 13:11:17 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199509162011.NAA01803@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: looking for REALLY good hardware diagnostics To: pst@shockwave.com (Paul Traina) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 13:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509161825.LAA07664@precipice.shockwave.com> from "Paul Traina" at Sep 16, 95 11:25:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2816 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I've got two systems, one an early-model pentium, the other a Cx486DLC both > experiencing the occasional odd failure when running under FreeBSD and I want > to double-check the hardware on these machines. Given that I do this day in day out 7 days a week I can lend some hand in diagnosing hardware related failures, I don't go out of my way to do this for others any longer as I have enought of it to deal with here, but I see you making some assumptions that from my data are incorrect. > (Yes, I know about the cache weirdness on the 486DLC, I've even disabled the > internal cache completely as part of my testing). Good, that eliminates that screwwy mess :-). > I think the Pentium either has a bad CPU (likely) ^^^^^^^^ very unlikely, in the last 2 years I have seen 0 (yes, 0) defects in a Pentium CPU chip, if the thing will power up and load a kernel it is good from my data. > or a bad cache chip (unlikely) Very likely, in the last 120 days I have had to replace 3 SRAM cache chips that would causes system crashes, sig 11's or other strangeness. Infact bad ``cache'' is my #1 failure mode of incoming motherboard products. And my #1 failure during burn in as far as electronic components go (overall #1 is disk drives that die during my 720 minute hour glass seek/random seek pre-burn in test :-(). > and the DLC either has a bad cache chip (likely) or bad dram (unlikely). Dram is my #2 electronic failure, most often occurs during initial incoming inspection during a 3 hour make world pass using a 100Mhz PB Pentium that can really knock snot on the memory subsystem. > Does anyone have ANY pointers whatsoever to a really really really good and > thorough set of diagnostics that could be used to check for hardware faults? There are non other than a VLSI tester for memory chips and simms, and ICE for MB problems, so unless you have access to a multi million dollar test equipment lab it is real tough. Is what I use here is ``make world'', if it fails that I use my years of correlating FreeBSD panics or signals to mostlikely hardware component, and a deep gut feeling for what I have seen over the years. > Specificly, anything that can be used to diagnose external caches, memory, > (and in the case of the pentium, perform cpu diagnostics) would be cool. If it runs ``make world'' it is good, I have found no better test of fucntionality than this as far as MB/CPU/Cache/Memory goes. If it fails I use the big shot gun approach and start replacing each one of those with ``known good'' units (another benifit I have that you may not is I have ``known good'' units around.) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 15:09:59 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA00749 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:09:59 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA00737 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:09:54 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA05216; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:08:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA01141; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:10:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199509162210.PAA01141@corbin.Root.COM> To: Jake Hamby cc: Didier Derny , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: atapi.c and wcd.c missing.... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Sep 95 08:53:32 PDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:10:51 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> the entry 'wdc0' and remove it. We have not yet brought in the ATAPI cdrom >> support. >> >> -DG >> > >But ATAPI support WILL be added to -stable sometime before 2.1.0, right? >I ask because so many people have bought IDE CD-ROM drives (including >myself and one friend who wants to install FreeBSD but wait for the CD-ROM >release of 2.1.0 :-) and the vast majority of drives will probably work with >the current ATAPI drivers. Support for the largest possible range of >CD-ROM drives is also important in order to actually INSTALL FreeBSD when >it's distributed on CD-ROM without copying it to the hard drive, first. >Just wanted to verify that this WOULD be in 2.1.0, even if it does have >some problems, it's far better than nothing. There are serious bugs in the code at the moment that cause it to break support for a significant number of IDE _disks_. I will not be bringing in this code until those bugs are fixed. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 17:43:36 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA09806 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:43:36 -0700 Received: from nanolon.gun.de (nanolon.gun.de [192.109.159.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA09796 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:43:31 -0700 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nanolon.gun.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with UUCP id CAA23236; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 02:43:09 +0200 Received: from knobel.gun.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA03194; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 02:08:28 +0200 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 02:08:28 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: Gary Crutcher cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Max Users In-Reply-To: <14091995065240350.II18467@datatrek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, Gary Crutcher wrote: > I noticed in the LINK file, the kernel configuratin file, that you can > set max users. Is there a maximum number of users that can be > configured? I tried setting it to 250 and got a warning when I remade > the kernel. I do not appear to be having any run-time problems, > though. The maxuser variable is a multiplier for kernel variables. This variable is not for setting a max user limit. The initial value of 10 isn't that bad. 250 is _overkill_. It makes certain kernel structures too huge and _kills_ your performcance. I'd choose values of 10-20 depending on the amount of memory you have and the number of users, that will work at the same time on your system. Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm You have lpd and need an intelligent print filter ?!! Ok, this might help: "apsfilter ... irgendwie clever" ftp it from ------> ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/Incoming/aps-491.tgz From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 17:43:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA09822 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:43:39 -0700 Received: from nanolon.gun.de (nanolon.gun.de [192.109.159.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA09795 ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:43:30 -0700 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nanolon.gun.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with UUCP id CAA23239; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 02:43:13 +0200 Received: from knobel.gun.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA03205; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 02:11:31 +0200 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 02:11:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: larry@seminole.iag.net, jhk@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI problems with FreeBSD 2.0.5 using AHA 2940 and Quantum Grand Prix In-Reply-To: <199509141429.HAA22861@aslan.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > > You should be running the driver in -stable if you have a grand > prix. The driver is most likely your problem. Hi Justin ! It works ok with FreeBSD-stable. Thanks !!! Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm You have lpd and need an intelligent print filter ?!! Ok, this might help: "apsfilter ... irgendwie clever" ftp it from ------> ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/Incoming/aps-491.tgz From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 18:08:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA11188 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:08:34 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA11179 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:08:31 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA02600 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:14:51 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199509170114.VAA02600@ns1.win.net> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Max Users (fwd) To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:14:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1025 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > From: Andreas Klemm > The initial value of 10 isn't that bad. 250 is _overkill_. It makes > certain kernel structures too huge and _kills_ your performcance. > I'd choose values of 10-20 depending on the amount of memory > you have and the number of users, that will work at the same time > on your system. I don't want to offend Andreas but I think this information might not be entirely accurate. I've been using a setting of 256 for around 8 months now. Creating a large swap area, and using a larger maxusers parameter has been necessary for me to operate my production internet servers. I do not see a performance hit from this. I do see a major performance hit when I don't use enough swap space or if I don't pump up certain kernel parameters - the system either hangs or crashes! Don't be shy, pump it up and see what happens. Experiment. It is ok to do this with FreeBSD - none of us will mind :-) Regards, Mark Hittinger Internet Manager WinNET Communications, Inc. bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 18:20:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA12167 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:20:55 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA12161 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:20:53 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA05390; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:19:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA00156; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:21:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199509170121.SAA00156@corbin.Root.COM> To: Mark Hittinger cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Max Users (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Sep 95 21:14:50 EDT." <199509170114.VAA02600@ns1.win.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:21:58 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> From: Andreas Klemm >> The initial value of 10 isn't that bad. 250 is _overkill_. It makes >> certain kernel structures too huge and _kills_ your performcance. >> I'd choose values of 10-20 depending on the amount of memory >> you have and the number of users, that will work at the same time >> on your system. > >I don't want to offend Andreas but I think this information might not >be entirely accurate. I've been using a setting of 256 for around 8 >months now. Creating a large swap area, and using a larger maxusers >parameter has been necessary for me to operate my production internet >servers. I have maxusers = 200 on wcarchive. It's necessary when you have nearly 1000 processes sometimes. >I do not see a performance hit from this. You might see a performance hit if you are tight on memory. If you have 128MB+ of RAM, then it's not going to be a problem. :-) >I do see a major performance hit when I don't use enough swap space or >if I don't pump up certain kernel parameters - the system either hangs >or crashes! Yeah, the system should be a bit more graceful...but this is difficult to engineer. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 18:22:19 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA12253 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:22:19 -0700 Received: from cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (cory-138.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.138.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA12248 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:22:18 -0700 Received: from cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA12369 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:22:13 -0700 From: Josh MacDonald Message-Id: <199509170122.SAA12369@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 64 bit off_t and varargs/printf Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:22:06 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm working on porting rdist-6.1 to FreeBSD. Its been a pain, because, for reasons I have not been able to determine, it is puking on a vsprintf() call with off_t's involved. I wondered if anyone else has experienced this problem. I'm really clueless about var_args and for me to debug this would require a lot of research. I remember a discussion perhaps 6 months ago about a bug in wu-ftpd that was related to the off_t size, though I don't remember the conclusions made. Basically, a call like this: char num[10]; num = "1234" off_t size; size = strtoq(num, &num, 10); printf("%d\n", size); is causing it troubles. Replacing the off_t type with a long fixes things. Anyone know what might be happening? -josh From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 18:42:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA13947 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:42:14 -0700 Received: from ifqsc.sc.usp.br (uspfsc.ifqsc.sc.usp.br [143.107.228.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA13934 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:42:07 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 95 22:41 BRT From: Carlos Antonio Ruggiero Subject: Re: xcdplayer and SCSI CD-ROM To: pw@snoopy.mv.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Message-id: <97F1FD479B7F003295@IFQSC.SC.USP.BR> X-Envelope-to: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com X-VMS-To: IN%"pw@snoopy.mv.com" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com",TOTO References: Internet: ifqsc.usp.br HepNet: uspfsc.hepnet X.25:(0724)11620020 Comments: ifqsc.usp.br: Instituto de Fisica e Quimica de Sao Carlos - USP, BR Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Paul Werkowsli writes: >>>>> "Julian" == Julian Elischer writes: Julian> I'll bet that while it's SCSI-2 for data it impliments Julian> 'special' (proprietary) audio commands. >> It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > > Anyone? > > >> rcisyk@bnr.ca (Rostyslav Cisyk) wrote: > >Does anybody know >> whether xcdplayer (from 2.0.5 packages/ports) is supposed > >to >> work with 4X SCSI CD-ROMs? >> > Hmm, well maybe, however I have just recently tried getting > xmcd running on this 2.0.5 system. What worked fine on 2.0 > now can't seem to find any disk in the player. This with > 1542cf/NEC 4xi. I hope to have some time this weekend to > figure out what is going on. > > Can anyone report that any scsi based audio cd works these days? I have a 6 Plextor (6x) connected to a 2940 controller and it seems to be working just fine... From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 18:54:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA15179 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:54:27 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA15174 ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:54:24 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id DAA15558 ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 03:54:21 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id DAA25909 ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 03:54:20 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.Freenix.FR (8.7.Beta.14/keltia-uucp-2.4) id SAA04654; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:34:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199509161634.SAA04654@keltia.Freenix.FR> Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD suffer from the Intel RZ1000 IDE bug? To: gryphon@healer.com (Coranth Gryphon) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:34:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org, jehamby@lightside.com, questions@freebsd.org, R.L.Hesketh@ukc.ac.uk, sos@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509161357.JAA07352@healer.com> from "Coranth Gryphon" at Sep 16, 95 09:57:22 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1085 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7a+] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Coranth Gryphon said: > But for a machine where you do not head real fast disk access, and > can live with a reasonable max of 2-3 Gig, SCSI can't compare to IDE for > a cheap fast solution. However, when you want to add a CD-ROM or a DAT or a scanner, you already have the controller so there is no incompatibilities to fear, nothing else to buy. SCSI is plug-and-play whereas IDE is not. IDE is getting better in term of performance (but that costs CPU) but doesn't come close for versatility. Last question, have you ever plugged an IDE disk on a Sun ? Or take an Exabyte from a station and hook it on your SCSI card ? Even for my personnal machine, I went to SCSI and I've never regretted it. > And on older (486) machines, a VLB IDE controller still gives better > performance (by observation, regardless of whether its technically possible). Take a Bt-545 VLB SCSI, you'll run circle around any IDE under BSD. For MS-DOG and Windoze apps, IDE may be enough but under any decent OS, SCSI is better. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.Freenix.FR 2.2-CURRENT #1: Sun Sep 10 18:50:19 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 19:07:15 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA16238 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:07:15 -0700 Received: from irbs.irbs.com (irbs.com [199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA16226 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:07:10 -0700 Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA18567; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:07:00 -0400 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199509170207.WAA18567@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: 64 bit off_t and varargs/printf To: jmacd@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Josh MacDonald) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509170122.SAA12369@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> from "Josh MacDonald" at Sep 16, 95 06:22:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1160 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Josh MacDonald writes: > > > I'm working on porting rdist-6.1 to FreeBSD. Its been a pain, > because, for reasons I have not been able to determine, it is puking > on a vsprintf() call with off_t's involved. I wondered if anyone else > has experienced this problem. I'm really clueless about var_args and > for me to debug this would require a lot of research. I remember a > discussion perhaps 6 months ago about a bug in wu-ftpd that was > related to the off_t size, though I don't remember the conclusions > made. Basically, a call like this: > > char num[10]; > num = "1234" > off_t size; > size = strtoq(num, &num, 10); > printf("%d\n", size); > > is causing it troubles. Replacing the off_t type with a long fixes > things. Anyone know what might be happening? > In FreeBSD an off_t is a 64 bit integer or a long long. printf() and friends know how to print this type even though the man page does not mention it. printf("%d\n", (int)size); or printf("%qd\n", size); Compiling with -Wformat should show you the places where arguments to printf() and friends do not agree with the format string. John Capo IRBS Engineering From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 19:25:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA17596 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:25:22 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA17580 ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:25:17 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id EAA15685 ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 04:25:13 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id EAA26009 ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 04:25:11 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.Freenix.FR (8.7.Beta.14/keltia-uucp-2.4) id DAA01550; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 03:59:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199509170159.DAA01550@keltia.Freenix.FR> Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD suffer from the Intel RZ1000 IDE bug? To: mbarkah@hemi.com (Ade Barkah) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 03:59:18 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Hackers' list), questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199509161640.KAA26168@hemi.com> from "Ade Barkah" at Sep 16, 95 10:40:24 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1085 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7a+] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Ade Barkah said: > Yes, I'd go with SCSI for high end machines. Even so, the > "reasonable max" for IDE systems will always go up. At > least one manufacturer is developing a 3.4 gb EIDE drive, > and some computers can take four IDE drives (two controllers). It will run only on PC. SCSI will run evevywhere. What interest to make IDE be like SCSI ? Why spend millions of bucks in research to make IDE the all-singing-PC-interface when SCSI is here *now* ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.Freenix.FR 2.2-CURRENT #1: Sun Sep 10 18:50:19 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 19:25:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA17604 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:25:22 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA17587 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:25:19 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id EAA15695 ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 04:25:16 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id EAA26018 ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 04:25:15 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.Freenix.FR (8.7.Beta.14/keltia-uucp-2.4) id EAA01650; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 04:20:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199509170220.EAA01650@keltia.Freenix.FR> Subject: Re: 64 bit off_t and varargs/printf To: jmacd@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Josh MacDonald) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 04:20:54 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199509170122.SAA12369@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> from "Josh MacDonald" at Sep 16, 95 06:22:06 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1085 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7a+] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Josh MacDonald said: > char num[10]; > num = "1234" > off_t size; > size = strtoq(num, &num, 10); > printf("%d\n", size); > > is causing it troubles. Replacing the off_t type with a long fixes > things. Anyone know what might be happening? Yes, you have the same bug as did wu-ftpd. Put %qd instead of %d in the printf format string to fix it. "%d" == int (32 bits), "%qd" is quad (64 bits). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.Freenix.FR 2.2-CURRENT #1: Sun Sep 10 18:50:19 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 19:35:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA18717 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:35:13 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA18706 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:35:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA00437; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:35:06 -0700 To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org cc: multimedia@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Sound driver in 2.1 / 2.2.. Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:35:06 -0700 Message-ID: <435.811305306@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, "maplay" appears to play through /dev/dsp0 now, but there are tweets and farts interspersed occasionally in the music, it's like it just can't keep up (this is on a P5-90). When I symlink /dev/dsp to /dev/dsp2 (cdev major 30, minor 35) then things work just great. Should we just settle on /dev/dsp2 with a special MAKEDEV target (sndgus?) or can Alain's patch be improved to where things sound nice on /dev/dsp0? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 19:47:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA19449 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:47:22 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA19439 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:47:17 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA24618 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:32:32 -0500 Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA22761 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:22:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:22:43 -0500 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199509170222.VAA22761@bonkers.taronga.com> Newsgroups: junk Subject: Re: smfs References: <199509131909.MAA04080@rah.star-gate.com> <199509131958.MAA08030@phaeton.artisoft.com> Organization: Taronga Park BBS Apparently-To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article <199509131958.MAA08030@phaeton.artisoft.com>, Terry Lambert wrote: >I suppose you could provide the equivalent of a "net use" command for use >in user space, and deny the lookup until such time as that had occurred. OpenNET supported a "net use" command that squirrelled away SMB authentication information in the kernel and associated it with the user-ID. This is much more straightforward than associating it with a login or a process, and also more intuitive (userid on machine A is mapped to username on machine B). >Almost any way you look at it, it amounts to modifying the UNIX credential >instances so that an instance is shared between all processes that are >authenticated as a particular user. But that's how UNIX security *works*, on a per-user-ID basis. It's perfectly logical, and I don't see why you're making a big deal out of trying to do it any other way. >The idea of a credential being associated with a process rather than >referenced by a process is quite broken. The credential (user-id) is associated with a process, but itself works just fine as a reference. It's a small integer that can be used to index a SMB id table no problem. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 20:20:40 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA22475 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:20:40 -0700 Received: from aslan.cdrom.com (aslan.cdrom.com [192.216.223.142]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA22470 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:20:36 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA07401; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:20:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199509170320.UAA07401@aslan.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: aslan.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Josh MacDonald cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 64 bit off_t and varargs/printf In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:22:06 PDT." <199509170122.SAA12369@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:20:25 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >I'm working on porting rdist-6.1 to FreeBSD. Its been a pain, >because, for reasons I have not been able to determine, it is puking >on a vsprintf() call with off_t's involved. I wondered if anyone else >has experienced this problem. I'm really clueless about var_args and >for me to debug this would require a lot of research. I remember a >discussion perhaps 6 months ago about a bug in wu-ftpd that was >related to the off_t size, though I don't remember the conclusions >made. Basically, a call like this: off_t is a quad, so your format must be %qd. >-josh -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 20:47:49 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA23437 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:47:49 -0700 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (news@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA23426 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:47:42 -0700 Received: (from news@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (sendmail) id LAA13785 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 11:47:36 +0800 (WST) Received: from GATEWAY by haywire.DIALix.COM with netnews for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (problems to: usenet@haywire.dialix.com) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: 17 Sep 1995 11:47:32 +0800 From: peter@haywire.dialix.com (Peter Wemm) Message-ID: <43g5ok$del$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Australia. References: <199509170122.SAA12369@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU>, <199509170220.EAA01650@keltia.Freenix.FR> Subject: Re: 64 bit off_t and varargs/printf Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk roberto@keltia.Freenix.FR (Ollivier Robert) writes: >It seems that Josh MacDonald said: >> char num[10]; >> num = "1234" >> off_t size; >> size = strtoq(num, &num, 10); >> printf("%d\n", size); >> >> is causing it troubles. Replacing the off_t type with a long fixes >> things. Anyone know what might be happening? >Yes, you have the same bug as did wu-ftpd. Put %qd instead of %d in the >printf format string to fix it. "%d" == int (32 bits), "%qd" is quad (64 >bits). We already have a working "port" of this.. ports/net/rdist6.. -Peter >-- >Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net > FreeBSD keltia.Freenix.FR 2.2-CURRENT #1: Sun Sep 10 18:50:19 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 20:51:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA23670 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:51:33 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA23651 ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:51:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA00679; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:51:23 -0700 To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org cc: announce@freefall.FreeBSD.org Reply-To: jkh@Freebsd.org Subject: "Powered By FreeBSD" logo at the bottom of http://www.freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:51:22 -0700 Message-ID: <677.811309882@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@Freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Many people have asked about the "Powered by FreeBSD" logo and whether or not they can use it in their own pages. The answer is an enthusiastic "Yes! By all means!" We can always use a plug, and I'd certainly be happy to see the logo gracing the pages of any machine using FreeBSD to provide WEB service; help spread the word on your favorite OS! I think it also goes without saying that using the logo to plug something more risque', like "The Amazing Wanda and her Wonder Weasel", is not really encouraged. No censorship or moral judgement implied, we'd simply prefer more conservative uses of the logo, like the bottoms of ISP pages or personal web servers dedicated to themes other than kiddie porn and snuff movies.. :) Jordan P.S. Now if you want to send *me* pointers to "The Amazing Wanda" pages or similar material, well, that's a different matter entirely as it falls under the category of "legitimate network research." :-) Thanks! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 21:04:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA24216 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:04:07 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA24211 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:04:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA00772 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:03:25 -0700 To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: The change to /sys/sys/socket.h:SOMAXCONN Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:03:25 -0700 Message-ID: <770.811310605@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hey, shouldn't this be a MIB variable, anyway?? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 21:19:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA24866 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:19:57 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA24859 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:19:51 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA06457; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:18:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA01065; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:20:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199509170420.VAA01065@corbin.Root.COM> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: The change to /sys/sys/socket.h:SOMAXCONN In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Sep 95 21:03:25 PDT." <770.811310605@time.cdrom.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:20:56 -0700 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hey, shouldn't this be a MIB variable, anyway?? No, not really. It's not important enough for that. The maximum needs to be high enough so that programs can specify reasnable backlog limits to listen(2) to not throw out new connection requests, ...and now it is. (and changing the subject somewhat) sysctl isn't really designed to be very easily extensible. It would be nice if *hundreds* of things could be tuned, but the current structure really makes that impractical. The whole thing should be tossed out and rewritten. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 22:04:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA26529 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:04:30 -0700 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu (nak.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.206.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA26522 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:04:28 -0700 Received: from astron.Berkeley.EDU (astron.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.92.108]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA24246 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:04:27 -0700 Received: by astron.Berkeley.EDU (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12082; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:03:40 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:03:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chabot Observatory & Science Center To: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: problem logging in after a make world Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1287 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I am experiencing a problem after doing a sup last night (9/16/95) at 02:08 PDT -800 and doing a make world. For some reason, I can't login or ftp to the machine remotely since I don't have access there over the weekends, any idea what's happening? Here is the output I get: astron>telnet apollo.COSC.GOV Trying 198.94.103.34 ... Connected to apollo.COSC.GOV. Escape character is '^]'. FreeBSD (apollo.COSC.GOV) (ttyp0) login: vince Password: Connection closed by foreign host. astron>ftp apollo.COSC.GOV Connected to apollo.COSC.GOV. 220 apollo.COSC.GOV FTP server (Version 6.00) ready. Name (apollo.COSC.GOV:chabot): vince 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection Login failed. ftp> astron>finger @apollo.COSC.GOV [apollo.COSC.GOV] Login Name TTY Idle Login Time Office Office Phone vince Vincent Poy p1 2:22 Sat 00:26 astron>finger vince@apollo.COSC.GOV [apollo.COSC.GOV] This will just sit here, any ideas what needs to be done to fix this? Your help is greatly appreciated. Cheers, Vince - vince@apollo.COSC.GOV - chabot@astron.Berkeley.EDU UC Berkeley AstroPhysics - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) Chabot Observatory & Science Center Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 22:14:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA27017 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:14:58 -0700 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu (nak.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.206.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA27012 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:14:57 -0700 Received: from astron.Berkeley.EDU (astron.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.92.108]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA25120; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:14:56 -0700 Received: by astron.Berkeley.EDU (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12130; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:14:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Chabot Observatory & Science Center To: John Capo Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: problem logging in after a make world Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1915 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, John Capo wrote: > Chabot Observatory & Science Center writes: > > > > Hi there, > > > > On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, John Capo wrote: > > > > > Chabot Observatory & Science Center writes: > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > I am experiencing a problem after doing a sup last night > > > > (9/16/95) at 02:08 PDT -800 and doing a make world. For some reason, I > > > > can't login or ftp to the machine remotely since I don't have access > > > > there over the weekends, any idea what's happening? Here is the output I > > > > get: > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > I had a problem recently where /dev/tty was missing. As I recall, > > > login would loop when asking for the password since it failed to > > > connect to the terminal via /dev/tty. I don't remember exactly. > > > > > > This doesn't appear to be your problem but thought I would mention > > > it. > > > > How did you fix that problem though since I know I had the > > /dev/tty's there before the make world. > > > > I booted single user and fixed the problem. Took a while to find > it. You have to be at the console and you don't have that option > right now. :-( Hmmm, were you able to finger user@hostname though for users on your machine because mines just sit there when I did finger vince@apollo.COSC.GOV while it would respond if I did finger @apollo.COSC.GOV. > I don't have a clue as to why my /dev/tty was missing. This happened > during an upgrade to -stable from 2.0. I was always running -current and just did he latest update last night so I wonder if a reboot would fix this problem since I can get all the login: prompts for all the tty's so it might be something else... Cheers, Vince - vince@apollo.COSC.GOV - chabot@astron.Berkeley.EDU Chabot Observatory & Science Center UC Berkeley AstroPhysics - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 16 22:50:42 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA28636 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:50:42 -0700 Received: from gw.itfs.nsk.su (gw.itfs.nsk.su [193.124.36.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA28631 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 22:50:32 -0700 Received: from itfs.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by gw.itfs.nsk.su (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id MAA27457 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 12:50:07 +0700 Received: by itfs.nsk.su; Sun, 17 Sep 95 12:43:16 +0700 (NST) Received: (from news@localhost) by news.itfs.nsk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA20943; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 12:30:56 +0700 From: nnd@itfs.nsk.su (Nickolay N. Dudorov) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xcdplayer and SCSI CD-ROM Message-ID: References: <199509160005.UAA18716@snoopy.mv.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:04:22 GMT Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Paul F. Werkowski (pw@snoopy.mv.com) wrote: ............ > Hmm, well maybe, however I have just recently tried getting > xmcd running on this 2.0.5 system. What worked fine on 2.0 > now can't seem to find any disk in the player. This with > 1542cf/NEC 4xi. I hope to have some time this weekend to > figure out what is going on. > > Can anyone report that any scsi based audio cd works these days? I discower some code in xmcd-1.4/libdi.d/os_frbsd.c that prevent xmcd ('cda' in my case, cause I use it in CLI-environment) from playing audio-CDs on my NEC-CDROM CDR-84 on 2.0.5 (and it works on 2.0R ;-(). The next patch brings back lovely Arensky, Rimsky-Korsakov etc. sounds :-) N.Dudorov ====================================================== --- os_frbsd.c.ORIG Sat Sep 16 21:54:26 1995 +++ os_frbsd.c Sat Sep 16 21:54:46 1995 @@ -214,7 +214,7 @@ return FALSE; } - if ((pthru_fd = open(path, O_RDONLY)) < 0) { + if ((pthru_fd = open(path, O_RDWR)) < 0) { DBGPRN(errfp, "Cannot open %s: errno=%d\n", path, errno); return FALSE; }