From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 24 03:21:55 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA09288 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 03:21:55 -0700 Received: from redwood.CS.Berkeley.EDU (redwood.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.36.44]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA09282 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 03:21:53 -0700 Received: from redwood.CS.Berkeley.EDU (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by redwood.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA14196 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 03:27:17 -0700 From: William Maddox Message-Id: <199505241027.DAA14196@redwood.CS.Berkeley.EDU> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Proposed p90 hardware configuration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 03:27:15 -0700 Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am about to buy a P90 system to run FreeBSD. My intention is to put together a reasonably high-performance and well-balanced system using proven, well-regarded components. I insist on parity memory, and thus have disqualified Triton-based systems, despite their performance edge. At current S.F. bay-area discounted prices, the following system can be put together for approximately $5000. I have put these specs out for quotations from several local dealers, and expect to plunk down the money in the next week or so. Intel Pentium 90 Micronics M54Pi motherboard w/256k cache, (Intel Neptune chipset, Phoenix BIOS) 16 Mb DRAM (2 x 72-pin 8Mb 60ns SIMMs w/parity) Adaptec 2940 PCI Fast SCSI-II host adapter Hewlett-Packard 3724 1.2Gb 9.5ms 3.5" disk drive w/512k cache Hewlett-Packard 35470 2Gb 4mm DAT Toshiba XM3601B 4x CDROM #9GXE64 PCI graphics accelerator w/ 2Mb DRAM Nokia 447x 17" .25mm dot-pitch Trinitron Monitor Teac 1.44 Mb 3.5" floppy drive Lexmark (IBM) 101-key keyboard Logitech First Mouse 3-button serial mouse PC Power and Cooling Turbo Cool 300 power supply PC Power and Cooling Solid-Steel Mini-Tower case w/ 2nd cooling fan Heatsink and fan for P90 chip MS-DOS 6.2x (for diagnostics, setup utilities, DOOM, etc.) Can anyone find any obvious faults with this? I chose the HP drives purely on the strength of HP's reputation and warranty. I would be interested in hearing if anyone has had experience, good or bad, with HP SCSI products and the AHA2940 SCSI host adapter using either the FreeBSD or the Linux drivers. Is anyone using an HP DAT drive? I seem to hear the WangDAT mentioned more often, and specifically avoided it because it is on the rogue list in the FreeBSD driver source. The choice of the #9 GXE64 2Mb DRAM (S3-864) is almost a shot in the dark, and perhaps a timid one. I chose a #9 product primarily because the X-Inside folks claim to work very closely with #9, which means I should be able to expect good support if I go the Accelerated-X route. Unfortunately, the faster GXE64 Pro model (VRAM) apparently has a design misfeature with its programmable clock that even X-Inside has not been able to work around. Diamond looks good from a performance perspective, and I have seen the Stealth-64 2Mb VRAM (S3-964) selling locally for almost same price as the #9GXE64 2Mb DRAM. Unfortunately, it seems that Diamond keeps changing their designs faster than the X-server support can keep up: As I understand it, Diamond has been shipping Stealth64 DRAM boards with a new RAMDAC that XFree86 doesn't support properly. There is also a new Diamond board called the Stealth 64 Video VRAM using the S3-968 and supported by no one, but both XFree86 and X-Inside promise support "real soon now". From reading the newsgroups, I get the impression that all of the video card makers diddle their designs constantly, and you often have little idea what RAMDAC or clock generator you are getting when you buy a specific model card. I would greatly appreciate hearing from *anyone* who is a fully-satisfied user under XFree86 of a recently-acquired video card, so that I might have a chance of finding a board with exactly the same graphics chip, RAMDAC, and clock generator. I would like to run 1152x900 and 1280x1024 at 8bpp and at least 70 hz refresh. I am mainly interested in GUI graphics, not CAD, image processing, or multimedia. How solid are the ATI products? Thanks for any info, William Maddox maddox@cs.berkeley.edu From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 24 08:47:29 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA14496 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 08:47:29 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA14489 ; Wed, 24 May 1995 08:47:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199505241547.IAA14489@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: William Maddox cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Proposed p90 hardware configuration In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 24 May 95 03:27:15 PDT." <199505241027.DAA14196@redwood.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 08:47:28 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >I am about to buy a P90 system to run FreeBSD. My intention is to put >together a reasonably high-performance and well-balanced system using >proven, well-regarded components. I insist on parity memory, and thus >have disqualified Triton-based systems, despite their performance >edge. At current S.F. bay-area discounted prices, the following >system can be put together for approximately $5000. I have put these >specs out for quotations from several local dealers, and expect to >plunk down the money in the next week or so. > [ ... ] > >I chose the HP drives purely on the strength of HP's reputation and >warranty. I would be interested in hearing if anyone has had >experience, good or bad, with HP SCSI products and the AHA2940 SCSI >host adapter using either the FreeBSD or the Linux drivers. Is anyone >using an HP DAT drive? I know of at least one person using an HP DAT drive. If you are going to be running the 2940, you should ensure that you are using the driver from -current (the same goes for the SCSI tape code). The changes you need will be availible in 2.0.5 when it is released. If you experience any problems with your HP drives, drop me a line, and maybe we can swap a drive for a week so I can use it to debug the FreeBSD driver. I haven't heard anything bad about those devices though. >Thanks for any info, > >William Maddox >maddox@cs.berkeley.edu > > -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 24 09:50:26 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA15882 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 09:50:26 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (ai.net [198.69.35.206]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA15875 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 09:50:23 -0700 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id LAA22548; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:35:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 11:35:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: William Maddox cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Proposed p90 hardware configuration In-Reply-To: <199505241027.DAA14196@redwood.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > system can be put together for approximately $5000. I have put these > specs out for quotations from several local dealers, and expect to > plunk down the money in the next week or so. > > Intel Pentium 90 > Micronics M54Pi motherboard w/256k cache, > (Intel Neptune chipset, Phoenix BIOS) > 16 Mb DRAM (2 x 72-pin 8Mb 60ns SIMMs w/parity) > Adaptec 2940 PCI Fast SCSI-II host adapter > Hewlett-Packard 3724 1.2Gb 9.5ms 3.5" disk drive w/512k cache > Hewlett-Packard 35470 2Gb 4mm DAT > Toshiba XM3601B 4x CDROM > #9GXE64 PCI graphics accelerator w/ 2Mb DRAM > Nokia 447x 17" .25mm dot-pitch Trinitron Monitor > Teac 1.44 Mb 3.5" floppy drive > Lexmark (IBM) 101-key keyboard > Logitech First Mouse 3-button serial mouse > PC Power and Cooling Turbo Cool 300 power supply > PC Power and Cooling Solid-Steel Mini-Tower case w/ 2nd cooling fan > Heatsink and fan for P90 chip > MS-DOS 6.2x (for diagnostics, setup utilities, DOOM, etc.) Nothing on here seems bad to be except the price. That configuration would *not* go for $3500 on the East Coast off the top of my head (especially with only a 1.2 gig drive, a 2 gig DAT and 16 megs of RAM). I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I bought a Micronics P90 for personal use about 10 months ago with 32 Megs of RAM, a 1.04gig drive, a 17" ViewSonic Monitor, a 2 meg Genoa Diamond or Stealth monster, with a 4x CD-ROM, Sound Blaster, etc, etc for less than $3500 almost a year ago. I use a WangTek 2 Gig DAT with my FreeBSD machine. Regards, -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 24 10:01:20 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA16095 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:01:20 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA16089 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:01:13 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA09055; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:00:43 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505241700.KAA09055@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Proposed p90 hardware configuration To: maddox@CS.Berkeley.EDU (William Maddox) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 10:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505241027.DAA14196@redwood.CS.Berkeley.EDU> from "William Maddox" at May 24, 95 03:27:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3982 Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I am about to buy a P90 system to run FreeBSD. My intention is to put > together a reasonably high-performance and well-balanced system using > proven, well-regarded components. I insist on parity memory, and thus > have disqualified Triton-based systems, despite their performance > edge. At current S.F. bay-area discounted prices, the following > system can be put together for approximately $5000. I have put these > specs out for quotations from several local dealers, and expect to > plunk down the money in the next week or so. I will make a few breif comments, I can not compete with S.F. Bay area clone shops on most of this... > > Intel Pentium 90 OK > Micronics M54Pi motherboard w/256k cache, > (Intel Neptune chipset, Phoenix BIOS) Unknown by me, but I have a dislike for Phoenix BIOS's and lack of flexibility in there setup menus. Perhaps this has changed in there Pentium Bios. > 16 Mb DRAM (2 x 72-pin 8Mb 60ns SIMMs w/parity) OK > Adaptec 2940 PCI Fast SCSI-II host adapter OK > Hewlett-Packard 3724 1.2Gb 9.5ms 3.5" disk drive w/512k cache Unknown, but should be a good drive base on other HP drive experience. > Hewlett-Packard 35470 2Gb 4mm DAT Unknown, I would use a ARCHIVE Python DDS-2/DC drive instead, 8G native. > Toshiba XM3601B 4x CDROM Unknown, don't like, it is the caddyless type drive. > #9GXE64 PCI graphics accelerator w/ 2Mb DRAM Good card, have had no problems with #9 in the past. > Nokia 447x 17" .25mm dot-pitch Trinitron Monitor Good. > Teac 1.44 Mb 3.5" floppy drive OK > Lexmark (IBM) 101-key keyboard Unknown, very much a personal preferance item, use it before you buy it. > Logitech First Mouse 3-button serial mouse Unknown, very much a personal preferance item, use it before you buy it. > PC Power and Cooling Turbo Cool 300 power supply Good. > PC Power and Cooling Solid-Steel Mini-Tower case w/ 2nd cooling fan Good. > Heatsink and fan for P90 chip Since you are springing for PC Power and Cooling case and power supply make sure you get a PC Power and Cooling CPU fan, they are the only one I will use any more, they have a 5 year warranty on it. Unlike most other fans that die within a year when run 24 hours a day PC Power and cooling CPU fans keep on going, kinda like the Eveready Battery bunny. > MS-DOS 6.2x (for diagnostics, setup utilities, DOOM, etc.) :-(. > Can anyone find any obvious faults with this? Faults can only be obvious if I have experiernce with the products, much of what you are buying I have not had first hand experience with. > I chose the HP drives purely on the strength of HP's reputation and > warranty. I would be interested in hearing if anyone has had > experience, good or bad, with HP SCSI products and the AHA2940 SCSI > host adapter using either the FreeBSD or the Linux drivers. Is anyone > using an HP DAT drive? I seem to hear the WangDAT mentioned more > often, and specifically avoided it because it is on the rogue list > in the FreeBSD driver source. The WangDat models you find in the rouge gallery are obsolete products, personally I like the Archive Python series of DAT drives, and use the DDS-2/DC drive (now known as Conner Model 4326RP) for it's speed and capacity. > The choice of the #9 GXE64 2Mb DRAM (S3-864) is almost a shot in the > dark, and perhaps a timid one. I chose a #9 product primarily because > the X-Inside folks claim to work very closely with #9, which means I > should be able to expect good support if I go the Accelerated-X route. The #9 GXE64 2MB DRAM card is a safe bet, I use it, and an ASUS card that is basically the same (easily supported since all the chip are S3 chips, clock, RAMDAC, etc). You'll have to talk to the X folks about the other stuff you mention, and you have been, so let them stear you on this choice. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 24 11:18:39 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA19543 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:18:39 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA19535 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:18:33 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA09313; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:17:24 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505241817.LAA09313@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Proposed p90 hardware configuration To: nc@ai.net (Network Coordinator) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 11:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: maddox@CS.Berkeley.EDU, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Network Coordinator" at May 24, 95 11:35:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2904 Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > system can be put together for approximately $5000. I have put these > > specs out for quotations from several local dealers, and expect to > > plunk down the money in the next week or so. > > > > Intel Pentium 90 $570 > > Micronics M54Pi motherboard w/256k cache, $325 > > (Intel Neptune chipset, Phoenix BIOS) > > 16 Mb DRAM (2 x 72-pin 8Mb 60ns SIMMs w/parity) $742 (yea, I know, you can get it cheaper, but that is what I get for it, and I have a full 1 year warranty on all parts, carefull when buying memory from brokers, it is often 3 day DOA, 30 day warranty) > > Adaptec 2940 PCI Fast SCSI-II host adapter $252 > > Hewlett-Packard 3724 1.2Gb 9.5ms 3.5" disk drive w/512k cache Fujitsu M1606S 1.0GB 3.5"x1" 5400RPM 10mS $560 > > Hewlett-Packard 35470 2Gb 4mm DAT CNR4320RT Conner, 4mm DAT, 2.0GB native, 5.25" HH Internal $ 824.00 or better CNR4326RP Conner, 4mm DAT, 8.0GB native, 5.25" HH Internal $ 968.00 > > Toshiba XM3601B 4x CDROM Toshiba XM-3601 4X SCSI cdrom drive $ 354.00 > > #9GXE64 PCI graphics accelerator w/ 2Mb DRAM $200 > > Nokia 447x 17" .25mm dot-pitch Trinitron Monitor ~$990, I can't compete on monitors due to shipping charges. > > Teac 1.44 Mb 3.5" floppy drive $35 > > Lexmark (IBM) 101-key keyboard ??? > > Logitech First Mouse 3-button serial mouse ??? > > PC Power and Cooling Turbo Cool 300 power supply $132 > > PC Power and Cooling Solid-Steel Mini-Tower case w/ 2nd cooling fan $183, Yeap, thats right folks, this person is willing to spend more on a real power supply and a real case than most would spend on a MB. I hold *high* praise for PC Power and Cooling products. This cases have *real* metal in them!!! > > Heatsink and fan for P90 chip $19 for PC Power and Cooling 5 year warranty fan. > > MS-DOS 6.2x (for diagnostics, setup utilities, DOOM, etc.) $44 with system. > Nothing on here seems bad to be except the price. That configuration > would *not* go for $3500 on the East Coast off the top of my head > (especially with only a 1.2 gig drive, a 2 gig DAT and 16 megs of RAM). I > could be wrong, but I don't think so. I bought a Micronics P90 for > personal use about 10 months ago with 32 Megs of RAM, a 1.04gig drive, a > 17" ViewSonic Monitor, a 2 meg Genoa Diamond or Stealth monster, with a > 4x CD-ROM, Sound Blaster, etc, etc for less than $3500 almost a year ago. What you bought was a clone made of the lowest cost components the clone maker could find. What this person is specing out is some of the highest quality materials avaliable. I have filled in a few spot prices above to show you why this system cost $5K. > I use a WangTek 2 Gig DAT with my FreeBSD machine. > > Regards, > > -Jerry. > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 24 13:54:25 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA23778 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:54:25 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA23772 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:54:23 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA23617; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:54:21 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505242054.NAA23617@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Proposed p90 hardware configuration To: maddox@CS.Berkeley.EDU (William Maddox) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 13:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505241027.DAA14196@redwood.CS.Berkeley.EDU> from "William Maddox" at May 24, 95 03:27:15 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1725 Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > Intel Pentium 90 > Micronics M54Pi motherboard w/256k cache, > (Intel Neptune chipset, Phoenix BIOS) > 16 Mb DRAM (2 x 72-pin 8Mb 60ns SIMMs w/parity) > Adaptec 2940 PCI Fast SCSI-II host adapter > Hewlett-Packard 3724 1.2Gb 9.5ms 3.5" disk drive w/512k cache > Hewlett-Packard 35470 2Gb 4mm DAT > Toshiba XM3601B 4x CDROM > #9GXE64 PCI graphics accelerator w/ 2Mb DRAM > Nokia 447x 17" .25mm dot-pitch Trinitron Monitor > Teac 1.44 Mb 3.5" floppy drive > Lexmark (IBM) 101-key keyboard > Logitech First Mouse 3-button serial mouse > PC Power and Cooling Turbo Cool 300 power supply > PC Power and Cooling Solid-Steel Mini-Tower case w/ 2nd cooling fan > Heatsink and fan for P90 chip > MS-DOS 6.2x (for diagnostics, setup utilities, DOOM, etc.) seems good.. get a quote from rod too.. (support our in-house supplier :) > > host adapter using either the FreeBSD or the Linux drivers. Is anyone > using an HP DAT drive? I seem to hear the WangDAT mentioned more > often, and specifically avoided it because it is on the rogue list > in the FreeBSD driver source. I have heard of people using HP drives.. It's a bit unfair to WangDat though.. they have a rogue entry only because when I was writing the rogue code, it was the drive I had.. and I wanted to be able to test it and set different modes for it :) no complaint about the drive though:) > > The choice of the #9 GXE64 2Mb DRAM (S3-864) is almost a shot in the > dark, and perhaps a timid one. It's what I have here, (well GXE64-PRO-4MB) works fine I run it at 1600x1200 with a bit of flicker and 1200x1024 rock solid apparently there is a version that does 1600x1200 solid too, (has a faster clock) julian From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 24 15:15:35 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA24695 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:25:46 -0700 Received: from public.lunetix.de (root@public.lunetix.de [193.98.158.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA24689 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:25:35 -0700 Received: from pythia by public.lunetix.de with bsmtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m0sENMw-00042OC; Wed, 24 May 95 22:49 MET DST Received: from brian by pythia with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0sEN6j-000CCsC; Wed, 24 May 95 22:32 MET DST Received: by brian (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0sEN98-0003CGC; Wed, 24 May 95 22:35 MET DST Message-Id: From: uc@brian.lunetix.de (Ulrich Callmeier) Subject: Re: Proposed p90 hardware configuration To: maddox@CS.Berkeley.EDU (William Maddox) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 22:35:14 +0100 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199505241027.DAA14196@redwood.CS.Berkeley.EDU> from "William Maddox" at May 24, 95 03:27:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 935 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > From > reading the newsgroups, I get the impression that all of the video > card makers diddle their designs constantly, and you often have little > idea what RAMDAC or clock generator you are getting when you buy a > specific model card. I would greatly appreciate hearing from *anyone* > who is a fully-satisfied user under XFree86 of a recently-acquired > video card, so that I might have a chance of finding a board with > exactly the same graphics chip, RAMDAC, and clock generator. Exactly because of these problems I'd recommend the Trio64 S3 Chipset. Here you got all the components on one chip. Even Dirk Hohndel from XFree86 core team recommended this chipset as the one making fewest trouble, because you don't have the problem of varying RAMDACS, clockchips etc. I for one bougth an Elsa Winner 1000 Trio 64 a week ago and have no problems whatever with XFree86. The card was really cheap here (~$250). Ulrich From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 24 17:45:54 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA29540 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:45:54 -0700 Received: from hutcs.cs.hut.fi (root@hutcs.cs.hut.fi [130.233.192.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA29532 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:45:51 -0700 Received: from shadows.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA05530 (5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 03:45:44 +0300 From: Heikki Suonsivu Received: (hsu@localhost) by shadows.cs.hut.fi (8.6.10/8.6.10) id DAA09610; Thu, 25 May 1995 03:45:42 +0300 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 03:45:42 +0300 Message-Id: <199505250045.DAA09610@shadows.cs.hut.fi> To: uc@brian.lunetix.de (Ulrich Callmeier) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: uc@brian.lunetix.de's message of 25 May 1995 03:13:48 +0300 Subject: Re: Proposed p90 hardware configuration Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Otaniemi, Finland Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk uc@brian.lunetix.de (Ulrich Callmeier) writes: you got all the components on one chip. Even Dirk Hohndel from XFree86 core team recommended this chipset as the one making fewest trouble, because you don't have the problem of varying RAMDACS, clockchips etc. Ditto here, it seems to be a bargain, 2M card, easy installation, does 32bpp, and seemed reasonably fast. We didn't get 1280x1024 interlaced mode working quite right. We can get it working alone but switching back to any other mode messes up the screen, it doesn't seem to be returning the modes correctly. Other modes seem to work fine. The card would do 135MHz but the monitor doesn't so I haven't tried it out. -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@cs.hut.fi home +358-0-8031121 work -4513377 fax -4555276 riippu SN From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 24 20:08:31 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA09501 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 20:08:31 -0700 Received: from kaiwan.kaiwan.com (0@kaiwan.kaiwan.com [198.178.203.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA09493 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 20:08:28 -0700 Received: from kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (130@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com [198.178.203.9]) by kaiwan.kaiwan.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA02294; Wed, 24 May 1995 20:08:20 -0700 *** KAIWAN Internet Access *** Received: (from aevans@localhost) by kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA11353; Wed, 24 May 1995 20:08:20 -0700 *** KAIWAN Internet Access *** From: "Alan B. Evans" Message-Id: <199505250308.UAA11353@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> Subject: triton/2940/conner cfp 1080s woes To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 20:08:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1060 Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was hoping I could borrow from other peoples experience on setting up FreeBSD on a new machine. I just picked up the following and have been unable to get a system running long enough in order to get everything installed : Pentium 100 - Triton Motherboard Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller Conner CFP1080S hard drive (1.06GB) ATI Mach64 2MB DRAM 3C503 NIC 16MB memory I am trying to install SNAP-950412 on this machine. I am using the default setup parameters for the Triton board and the Adaptec card. I have got to the point where I can get the bin distribution installed, but eventually, everything ends up signal 11-ing soon or later (anywhere from seconds to minutes). I have tried changing from 10MB/sec to 5MB/sec, disabling disconnection, & disabling L2 cache with the same results. Anybody have any suggestions ? I would be eternally grateful for anything that will help be bring up FreeBSD on this machine. I got this machine for the express purpose of running FreeBSD (I do Web work and I need a robust and dependable server). Thanks ! --alan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 24 20:19:12 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA10087 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 20:19:12 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA10076 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 20:19:06 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA10395; Wed, 24 May 1995 20:18:32 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505250318.UAA10395@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: triton/2940/conner cfp 1080s woes To: aevans@kaiwan.com (Alan B. Evans) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 20:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505250308.UAA11353@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> from "Alan B. Evans" at May 24, 95 08:08:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1867 Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > I was hoping I could borrow from other peoples experience > on setting up FreeBSD on a new machine. > > I just picked up the following and have been unable to > get a system running long enough in order to get everything > installed : > > Pentium 100 - Triton Motherboard > Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller > Conner CFP1080S hard drive (1.06GB) > ATI Mach64 2MB DRAM > 3C503 NIC > 16MB memory What speed is this memory?? Triton chip sets (and every one else too, require 60nS memory to run a 100Mhz CPU chip, many clone shops are cheating here and using 70nS memory which works for windoze most of the time, but Unix will trip over it big time). Also what motherboard is this? Intel Zappa? Asus PCI/I-P54TP4? Micronics??? > I am trying to install SNAP-950412 on this machine. I am using > the default setup parameters for the Triton board and the > Adaptec card. I have got to the point where I can get the > bin distribution installed, but eventually, everything ends > up signal 11-ing soon or later (anywhere from seconds to > minutes). I have tried changing from 10MB/sec to 5MB/sec, > disabling disconnection, & disabling L2 cache with the > same results. Try setting the CPU clock to 90 Mhz instead of 100, if that fixes your problem check the SIMMS for any 70nS chips. > Anybody have any suggestions ? I would be eternally grateful > for anything that will help be bring up FreeBSD on this > machine. I got this machine for the express purpose of running > FreeBSD (I do Web work and I need a robust and dependable server). Next time maybe think about buying from me, boxes come with the OS installed, make world run about 6 to 10 times during burnin and just don't have this problem! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 25 10:21:26 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01393 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:21:26 -0700 Received: from runix.runit.sintef.no (runix.runit.sintef.no [129.241.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA01247 ; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:19:39 -0700 Received: from runit.sintef.no by runix.runit.sintef.no with SMTP (PP) id <00281-0@runix.runit.sintef.no>; Thu, 25 May 1995 19:19:31 +0200 Received: from localhost by ravn.runit.sintef.no (4.1/Runit-cl-1.0) id AA12051; Thu, 25 May 95 19:19:29 +0200 Message-Id: <9505251719.AA12051@ravn.runit.sintef.no> To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: More 3C589 problems X-Mailer: Mew beta version 0.89 on Emacs 19.28.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 19:19:23 +0200 From: Havard Eidnes Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have tried and failed to get my 3C589B to work with a self-made FreeBSD boot floppy, based on latest (April) snapshot, with the only change being that I replaced the kernel with a -current kernel as of yesterday. The 3C589 card is probed fine, the correct ethernet address is read out and everything looks ok until I try using the card. I see absolutely no packets coming from my laptop when using tcpdump on a neighbouring machine. After trying to ping a given address for somewhat less than 10 seconds, it says "Host down" or something like that (I guess it didn't receive a reply to it's ARP request). This is on a laptop with a Cirrus PD672x rev3 PCMCIA bridge chip, which I understand is a clone of the Intel PCMCIA chip, and from searching/reading the mail archives, this hardware combination was supposed to work. The depressing thing is that the same hardware works just fine under Linux with David Hinds' package, so that is what I am reverting to for the time being. :-( ;-) The only difference I could spot was that the FreeBSD driver placed the card at i/o 0x300, irq 10, whereas the Linux driver placed it at i/o 0x2e0, irq 9, but I guess the only thing differing here is the programming of the bridge chip, right? Thought you guys might like to know that there may still be bugs crawling around in this vicinity... Regards, - H=E5vard PS. If you follow up on this, please CC me as I am not yet a member on any of the freebsd lists. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 25 15:28:43 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA19539 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:28:43 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA19531 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:28:42 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14413(1)>; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:27:58 PDT Received: by crevenia.parc.xerox.com id <49871>; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:27:55 -0700 From: Bill Fenner To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Video Capture hardware? Message-Id: <95May25.152755pdt.49871@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:27:45 PDT Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm interested in hearing from people with experience with video capture hardware. I'm more interested in the kind with its own framebuffer; the ones that use the displayed framebuffer as a capture buffer too are just a pain to use with network video applications. (I am looking to replace my sparc2 with a pc and one of the requirements is to still be able to participate in videoconferences...) Bill From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 27 04:14:51 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA17834 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 04:14:51 -0700 Received: from sirius.brunel.ac.uk (root@sirius.brunel.ac.uk [134.83.128.62]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA17827 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 04:14:46 -0700 Received: from molnir.brunel.ac.uk by sirius.brunel.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <05035-0@sirius.brunel.ac.uk>; Sat, 27 May 1995 12:14:23 +0100 From: Jonathan Keith Saville Message-Id: <11267.9505271114@molnir.brunel.ac.uk> Subject: 486DX-100 on PCI motherboard questions To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 12:14:21 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1072 Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Does anyone have experience of running 486s (DX4-100 in particular) on PCI motherboards. I'm planning to aquire the following for FreeBSD: Clone m'board with Intel 486DX4-100 and the following built in: Phoenix BIOS UNC chipset Dual EIDE channels FDD controller 2 16550 serial ports 1 enhanced parallel port 4 72 pin SIMM sockets 3 PCI slots 4 16 bit ISA slots Any comments? I've heard that Phoenix BIOSs have problems, are these insurmountable? For those who are interested, here are some spot prices from a major spares supplier here in the UK (inclusive prices): PCI m'board with 75MHz Pentium cpu .... # 457 (UK pounds) with 90MHz Pentium .... # 651 Intel Triton with 75MHz Pentium .... # 786 with 90MHz Pentium .... # 757 Dual Pentium m'board (no cpus) .... # 704 Thanks for your time, Jon -- # Jon Saville | 'May'st not tell thy dreams?' | # cs93jks@brunel.ac.uk | Keats, The Fall of Hyperion, 1819 | # jks@sasl.demon.co.uk | PGP 2.3a public key available |