From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 7 18:42:23 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA13248 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 18:42:23 -0700 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA13242 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 18:42:22 -0700 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id SAA23327; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 18:41:48 -0700 Received: from logrus.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA27677; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 18:41:43 -0700 Received: by logrus.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23397; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 18:42:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 18:42:00 -0700 From: Eric.Vanbezooijen@Eng.Sun.COM (Eric van Bezooijen) Message-Id: <9508080142.AA23397@logrus.Eng.Sun.COM> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Support for ISDN X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I could not find this in any FAQ. What internal ISDN cards does FreeBSD support, if any ? How about external ISDN "modems" ? -Eric "I'm a smarty everyday!"- Beanie the Cerebrally-challenged bison, Animaniacs Eric van Bezooijen | "Faboo!"- Wakko Warner, Animaniacs [Warlord *THIS*] eric@csua.berkeley.edu | "Oh joy of Joys!"- Stimpson J. Cat, Ren & Stimpy eric.vanbezooijen@sun.com | "Spoon!"- The Tick [Pixies and Talking Heads rule!] From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 02:21:59 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA11500 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 02:21:59 -0700 Received: from slowhand.icu.ac.jp (slowhand.ICU.AC.JP [192.218.241.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA11476 ; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 02:21:50 -0700 Received: by slowhand.icu.ac.jp (5.67+1.6W[kuis-17]/3.1W-TK 05/25/95) id AA06761; Tue, 8 Aug 95 18:24:03 JST Date: Tue, 8 Aug 95 18:24:03 JST From: TOMITA Shigenari Message-Id: <9508080924.AA06761@slowhand.icu.ac.jp> To: questions@freefall.cdrom.com Cc: hardware@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Micronics M54Pe BIOS setup screen Reply-To: ts@icu.ac.jp Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! I got a chance to setup a machine based on Micronics' motherboard M54Pe-06A with FreeBSD. But I can't invoke BIOS setup utility at all! I hit F2 while appearing 'Press F2 to enter SETUP,' but the utility screen won't come up. It always hangs after showing the blue line of Diamond Stealth logo. Has anyone experienced this? I think my problem is not related to FreeBSD directly, but I must to solve it in order to install FreeBSD. I'd really appreciate it if you show me the way to go. Thank you in advance! ----- TOMITA, Shigenari ts@icu.ac.jp International Christian University From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 15:02:10 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA17299 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 15:02:10 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA17274 ; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 15:02:04 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA16360; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 17:01:56 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Tue, 8 Aug 95 17:01 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Tue, 8 Aug 95 17:01 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Re: PS2 mouse does not work To: schwarz@alpharel.com (Steve Schwarz) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 17:01:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Fredriksen" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9507291543.AA23025@optisun40.optigfx.COM> from "Steve Schwarz" at Jul 29, 95 08:43:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1481 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Steve Schwarz writes: > > I have plugged a PS2 mouse into the PS2 port of my Gateway 2000 > DX4/100 (called Liberty) laptop. Running FreeBSD 2.0.5, I added > > device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr > > to my kernel configuration, rebuilt my kernel, and on booting, both > the keyboard and the mouse probe successfully. But after booting, > the keyboard is unusable. I noticed that the question pertaining > to the psm driver is still in the FreeBSD FAQ but the answer is now > gone. Does this mean that (temporarily?) psm support has been > eliminated from FreeBSD 2.0.5? Is there something we PS2 mouse users > should know? > > Or, is the problem some conflict between the PS2 mouse plugged into > the PS2 port and the "builtin" (read, totally unusable) pointing > device located on the keyboard? > > When the Liberty is running DOS and windows, both the mouse and the > infernal builtin thing work together.... > > sts > > There seems to be a problem with how some hardware vendors implemented the IRQ stuff. Basically it seems that disabling the IRQ from the mouse also disables the keyboard one. I posted a patch here earlier that seemed to fix the problem on NCR machines anyway. I'll see if I can't find it somewhere if you want it. Lars -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Fredriksen fredriks@mcs.com (home) lars@fredriks.pr.mcs.net (home-home) fredriks@asiago.cs.wisc.edu From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 19:15:50 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA03428 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 19:15:50 -0700 Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA03416 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 19:15:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA06154 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 20:15:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199508090215.UAA06154@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: laptops Date: Tue, 08 Aug 1995 20:15:05 -0600 From: Steve Passe Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am shopping for a suitable laptop for running FreeBSD. My current first choice would be the TI TravelMate 5000. Anyone running FreeBSD on this yet? How about X? What would be a good network adapter for it? Suggestions of other laptops? Steve Passe smp@clem.systemsix.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 8 21:36:36 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA16956 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 21:36:36 -0700 Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (sri.MT.net [204.94.231.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA16939 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 21:36:31 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA19229; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 22:37:53 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 22:37:53 -0600 Message-Id: <199508090437.WAA19229@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Steve Passe Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: laptops In-Reply-To: <199508090215.UAA06154@clem.systemsix.com> References: <199508090215.UAA06154@clem.systemsix.com> Reply-To: nate@sneezy.sri.com (Nate Williams) From: nate@sneezy.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I am shopping for a suitable laptop for running FreeBSD. > My current first choice would be the TI TravelMate 5000. > > Anyone running FreeBSD on this yet? > > How about X? > > What would be a good network adapter for it? > > Suggestions of other laptops? I've got a NEC Versa P/75 that I'm not completely through configuring yet, but it's *VERY* nice. The biggest thing going for it is the display. It does 800x600, which is a big deal since most laptops can only do 640x480. Having played with both kinds, the nicer display is a big plus. Also, the NEC has a built in SBPRO which is good for demos and such. For network cards the PCMCIA/3C589B works well for me. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 04:00:25 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA29115 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 04:00:25 -0700 Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA29094 ; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 04:00:02 -0700 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA02113; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:01:15 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199508101101.NAA02113@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: What are known problems with Conner SCSI HDDs? To: mirch@tecom.rovno.ua (Liubomir M. Ferents) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:01:15 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Liubomir M. Ferents" at Aug 10, 95 10:53:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 463 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I've hear rumours that 1060S are BAD, and 1080S ? > The 1060S isn't bad, they just had a problem with the onboard firmware. It has problems with the large transfers that FreeBSD and Linux do. There is a patch available from the people at Conner. The contact person that I used is: Soenke BEHRENS Soenke.BEHRENS@conner.com After I applied their patch, all my problems disappeared. I don't know about the 1080S though. -- John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 04:02:38 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA29338 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 04:02:38 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA29315 ; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 04:02:22 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA00817; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 20:59:11 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508101129.UAA00817@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: What are known problems with Conner SCSI HDDs? To: mirch@tecom.rovno.ua (Liubomir M. Ferents) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 20:59:11 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Liubomir M. Ferents" at Aug 10, 95 10:53:30 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 727 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Liubomir M. Ferents stands accused of saying: > > I've hear rumours that 1060S are BAD, and 1080S ? IIRC, the problem had to do with large writes causing the drive to hang. There's supposed to be a firmware fix available from Conner. I don't know about the 1080S. > Liubomir Ferents | tel.: (0362) 22-42-86 | e-mail: mirch@tecom.rovno.ua -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 04:34:52 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA00318 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 04:34:52 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA00310 ; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 04:34:30 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id NAA05524 ; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:34:15 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id NAA15404 ; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:34:14 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199508101134.NAA15404@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: What are known problems with Conner SCSI HDDs? To: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za (John Hay) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:34:14 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: mirch@tecom.rovno.ua, hardware@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508101101.NAA02113@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> from "John Hay" at Aug 10, 95 01:01:15 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#880 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 374 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > After I applied their patch, all my problems disappeared. I don't know about > the 1080S though. I've been using one as my primary hard drive for more than 6 months. Boy it is fast ! On 128 MB iozone, I got 4.5/4.5 MB/s read/write. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #5: Fri Jul 14 12:28:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 08:23:51 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA07862 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 08:23:51 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA07841 ; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 08:23:31 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA00656 ; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:22:08 +0100 X-Message: This is a dial-up site. Quick responses to e-mails should not be relied upon. Thanks! To: "Liubomir M. Ferents" cc: hardware@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are known problems with Conner SCSI HDDs? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:53:30 +0300." Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:22:07 +0100 Message-ID: <653.808068127@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message , "Liubomir M. Ferents" writes: >I've hear rumours that 1060S are BAD, and 1080S ? SOME microcode revisions of the 1060S are bad. Unsure about 1080S. If you do find yourself unlucky enough to have a bad 1060S, contact your local Conner support centre with an upgrade request. Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 20:21:08 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA00311 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 20:21:08 -0700 Received: from jax.jaxnet.com (jax.jaxnet.com [204.183.221.4]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA00303 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 20:20:56 -0700 Received: from ts1-016.jaxnet.com (ts1-016.jaxnet.com [204.183.221.241]) by jax.jaxnet.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA10244 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 23:24:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199508110324.XAA10244@jax.jaxnet.com> X-Sender: bwern@jax.jaxnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 23:22:53 -0400 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: bwern@jax.jaxnet.com (Ben Wern) Subject: MAXTOR 71260A? Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Greetings one and all. I can't seem to see anything in the docs or release notes.. so here goes: I am trying to install a MAXTOR 71260A (1.2G) IDE harddrive, and then install FreeBSD on top. The problem is, my bios won't see past the first 500 or so megs. So, the FreeBSD then doesn't see any further than 500 megs. This has the added benifit of making the drive unstable, and I get repeated page fault errors when booting the boot disk to install. The included driver software, Max Blast, doesn't seem to help. Is there a driver, or patch, or fix, or.... any hope? Thanks, Ben Wern bwern@jaxnet.com | Finger or mail for latest bwern@pathtech.com| PGP key revocation and bwern@unf.ed u | latest key update. "I used to get disgusted, but now I just get amused" From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 10 22:25:34 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA07266 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 22:25:34 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA07260 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 22:25:22 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA02817; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 15:23:55 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508110553.PAA02817@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Bizzare floppy boot problems. Hardware hacker needed. To: shamrock@netcom.com (Lucky Green) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 15:23:55 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Lucky Green" at Aug 10, 95 10:00:42 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 783 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Lucky Green stands accused of saying: > think of. I am at the end of my rope. Could it be a defective BIOS? What > should I do next? Well, firstly, don't post stuff like this to the hackers list. Try hardware@freebsd.org. Then I'd try swapping in a floppy drive, new floppy cable, and of course make sure your BIOS floppy disk types are set correctly. > -- Lucky Green -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 00:59:46 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA10013 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 00:59:46 -0700 Received: from zyqad.co.uk (zyqad.demon.co.uk [158.152.135.161]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA10005 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 00:59:35 -0700 Received: from localhost by zyqad.co.uk; (5.65/1.1.8.2/21Apr95-0317PM) id AA02408; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:00:07 +0100 Message-Id: <9508110800.AA02408@zyqad.co.uk> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Upgrade to my machine Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 09:00:06 +0100 From: "John Richards" X-Mts: smtp Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I'm going to upgrade my home machine, 486DX33 VLB 8MB, 250&210 MB IDE, from 1.0.5.1R to the 2.0.5R. At the same time I'd like to start migrating the system to SCSI. This may involve buying a CDROM drive and maybe a SCSI disk. 1. Is it possible to have a mixed IDE & SCSI system? 2. Any recommendations on SCSI adapter? Buslogic looking favourite at the moment on price #155. 3. Will any SCSI CDROM drive work with any SCSI adapter or are certain combinations better/worse than others? 4. Will any SCSI disk drive work with any SCSI adapter? 5. For 1GB disk would 2*500MB disks be preferable to 1*1GB? Could then configure 2 swap partitions. 6. In a mixed IDE/SCSI system (assumes answer to 1 is yes) can the boot manager handle booting from the SCSI drive if one of the IDEs is the default boot? For 3 & 4 common sense says they should, experience hints otherwise. I'll be using the system for lisp programming on the whole although... must learn C++ sometime. I'll upgrade the processor at a later date and put in more memory then. Thanks for any help & advice. John ******************************************************************************** John Richards * email : john@zyqad.co.uk Zyqad Ltd, * Suite 25, GPT Business Park, * Technology Drive, Beeston * tel : 44 (0)115 922 0820 NOTTINGHAM. NG9 2ND. * fax : 44 (0)115 967 8374 ******************************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 01:38:45 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA11576 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 01:38:45 -0700 Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA11569 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 01:38:42 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.6.10/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id BAA05143 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 01:38:40 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA03139; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 18:30:33 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508110900.SAA03139@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: john@zyqad.co.uk (John Richards) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 18:30:32 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9508110800.AA02408@zyqad.co.uk> from "John Richards" at Aug 11, 95 09:00:06 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2293 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk John Richards stands accused of saying: > I'm going to upgrade my home machine, 486DX33 VLB 8MB, 250&210 MB IDE, from > 1.0.5.1R to the 2.0.5R. At the same time I'd like to start migrating the system > to SCSI. This may involve buying a CDROM drive and maybe a SCSI disk. Excellent idea! SCSI disk and more memory will help your performance far more than a faster processor will. > 1. Is it possible to have a mixed IDE & SCSI system? Yes. > 2. Any recommendations on SCSI adapter? Buslogic looking favourite at the > moment on price #155. The BT445S is a great controller. The VLB Adaptec and Ultrastor cards both work well too. _Don't_ whatever you do buy an Adaptec 1522 clone 8) > 3. Will any SCSI CDROM drive work with any SCSI adapter or are certain > combinations better/worse than others? Be careful with SCSI CD-roms; some are barely SCSI-compatible. Make sure you get a reasonably new model. I've had good results with the Matsushita/ Panasonic CR503-B and the Sony CDU55S. Some of the older NEC units have given me serious trouble. > 4. Will any SCSI disk drive work with any SCSI adapter? Essentially, yes. > 5. For 1GB disk would 2*500MB disks be preferable to 1*1GB? Could then > configure 2 swap partitions. Generally, the 1G disk will perform better than a 1/2 price 500M unit, so two disks is false economy. > 6. In a mixed IDE/SCSI system (assumes answer to 1 is yes) can the boot manager > handle booting from the SCSI drive if one of the IDEs is the default boot? You can only boot from the first two disks in the system. IDE disks count first, then SCSI, so you can only boot from a SCSI disk if there's only one IDE. > I'll upgrade the processor at a later date and put in more memory then. I'd put your priorities as disk, memory, processor in that order. > John Richards * email : john@zyqad.co.uk Hope the opinion's some use... -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 02:00:42 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA12532 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 02:00:42 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA12525 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 02:00:39 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA03829; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 01:59:32 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508110859.BAA03829@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 01:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508110900.SAA03139@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Aug 11, 95 06:30:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2206 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ... > > 5. For 1GB disk would 2*500MB disks be preferable to 1*1GB? Could then > > configure 2 swap partitions. > > Generally, the 1G disk will perform better than a 1/2 price 500M unit, > so two disks is false economy. This is absolutly the opposite of the real situation. 2 disk drives of 1/2 the size and identical performance characteristecs give you 2 spindles that can be doing data trasfer at the same time and with proper load balancing gives 2 times the over all performance. I have sold off _all_ of my 1 and 2G drives and now stack 535MB 5400RPM 4.4MB/sec drives up to meet what ever capacity I need. My make world times are down 45 minutes or so due to running accross 3 disk drives (1 src, 1 obj, 1 system binaries, all three have swap areas (but then, with 32MB you never swap during make world if nothing else is going on). I also happen to be running a fast enough CPU/Memory subsystem that even with this setup make world waits for disk I/O 28% of the time :-(. I have the time down to 3 hours 19 minutes (not building profiled libs, and not gzipping man pages, A80502-100 w/256K 8nS PB cache, 32MB memory) Infact I can sell you more bang for the buck in 535MB 5400 RPM drives right now than I can in a 1G drive, not by much, but a few dollars. And just getting your home direcories off the system spindle is a _big_ help in system response. > > 6. In a mixed IDE/SCSI system (assumes answer to 1 is yes) can the boot manager > > handle booting from the SCSI drive if one of the IDEs is the default boot? > > You can only boot from the first two disks in the system. IDE disks count > first, then SCSI, so you can only boot from a SCSI disk if there's only > one IDE. If you have only scsi disks you can boot from drive 5 if you like, unless someone again has broken that piece of code :-(. > > I'll upgrade the processor at a later date and put in more memory then. > > I'd put your priorities as disk, memory, processor in that order. Good rule of thumb. > Hope the opinion's some use... I hope mine is too... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 02:01:19 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA12609 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 02:01:19 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA12600 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 02:01:16 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id LAA14321 ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:00:42 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id LAA22630 ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:00:42 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199508110900.LAA22630@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: john@zyqad.co.uk (John Richards) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:00:41 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9508110800.AA02408@zyqad.co.uk> from "John Richards" at Aug 11, 95 09:00:06 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#880 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1340 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > 1. Is it possible to have a mixed IDE & SCSI system? Without problem. You cannot boot directly from the IDE drives unless you install OS-BS or similar program on the IDE. > 2. Any recommendations on SCSI adapter? Buslogic looking favourite at the > moment on price #155. VLB Buslogic are nice and fast card. You may want to look at the Adaptec 28xx which are good too. > 3. Will any SCSI CDROM drive work with any SCSI adapter or are certain > combinations better/worse than others? That's the beauty of SCSI. Any CD-ROM should work. > 4. Will any SCSI disk drive work with any SCSI adapter? Same answer. > 5. For 1GB disk would 2*500MB disks be preferable to 1*1GB? Could then > configure 2 swap partitions. It is always better to have more than one disk :-) You can have multiple swap slices o course. > 6. In a mixed IDE/SCSI system (assumes answer to 1 is yes) can the boot manager > handle booting from the SCSI drive if one of the IDEs is the default boot? With a proper MBR made by Booteasy or OS-BS yes. > I'll upgrade the processor at a later date and put in more memory then. It is a must. The more memory you have the better. 8 MB is short if you intend to run X11. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #5: Fri Jul 14 12:28:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 02:08:51 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA13159 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 02:08:51 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA13142 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 02:08:48 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA03196; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 19:07:13 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508110937.TAA03196@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 19:07:12 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508110859.BAA03829@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Aug 11, 95 01:59:32 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2027 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes stands accused of saying: > > Generally, the 1G disk will perform better than a 1/2 price 500M unit, > > so two disks is false economy. > > This is absolutly the opposite of the real situation. 2 disk drives of > 1/2 the size and identical performance characteristecs give you 2 spindles But that's what I'm getting at; if you take a 1G disk that costs twice as much as some other 500M disk, it'll generally have _better_ performance characteristics. > that can be doing data trasfer at the same time and with proper load > balancing gives 2 times the over all performance. I have sold off _all_ > of my 1 and 2G drives and now stack 535MB 5400RPM 4.4MB/sec drives up to meet > what ever capacity I need. My make world times are down 45 minutes or so due It's nice if you can afford it; here the price point is on the 1G disks, so that's what I recommend. It's an interesting approach, though. I'm speccing up a new workstation, so I might see how it pans out as compared to a 4G Micropolis M3243. > > You can only boot from the first two disks in the system. IDE disks count > > first, then SCSI, so you can only boot from a SCSI disk if there's only > > one IDE. > > If you have only scsi disks you can boot from drive 5 if you like, unless > someone again has broken that piece of code :-(. That's dependant on BIOS support for more than two disk drives; certainly for the Ultrastor controller that's optional (and has caused problems with other non-operating systems). I don't recall what the situation is with other controllers 8/. > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 02:17:33 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA13491 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 02:17:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA13481 ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 02:17:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199508110917.CAA13481@freefall.FreeBSD.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.FreeBSD.org: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith), john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Aug 95 01:59:32 PDT." <199508110859.BAA03829@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 02:17:29 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >If you have only scsi disks you can boot from drive 5 if you like, unless >someone again has broken that piece of code :-(. It still works. I just did it after installing a 3940 controller in Mother, one of our server machines. >-- >Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com >Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 02:19:18 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA13604 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 02:19:18 -0700 Received: from critter.tfs.com (critter.tfs.com [140.145.16.11]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA13597 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 02:19:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05114; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 14:29:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith), john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Aug 1995 01:59:32 PDT." <199508110859.BAA03829@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 14:28:58 -0700 Message-ID: <5112.808090138@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I also happen to be running a fast enough CPU/Memory subsystem that even > with this setup make world waits for disk I/O 28% of the time :-(. I have > the time down to 3 hours 19 minutes (not building profiled libs, and not > gzipping man pages, A80502-100 w/256K 8nS PB cache, 32MB memory) Still WAY to go before you beat my 20 minutes 12 seconds time :-) Oh well, I admit it: I cheated, I used 132 PC's .... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 09:59:42 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA27612 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:59:42 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA27605 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:59:39 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA04184; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:59:00 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508111659.JAA04184@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508110937.TAA03196@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Aug 11, 95 07:07:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3141 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Rodney W. Grimes stands accused of saying: > > > Generally, the 1G disk will perform better than a 1/2 price 500M unit, > > > so two disks is false economy. > > > > This is absolutly the opposite of the real situation. 2 disk drives of > > 1/2 the size and identical performance characteristecs give you 2 spindles > > But that's what I'm getting at; if you take a 1G disk that costs twice as > much as some other 500M disk, it'll generally have _better_ performance > characteristics. And my point is that this is not ``generally true'', the performance delta in 500MB vs 1G drives is zero today. If you know what models of drives to look at and do some carefull agressive shopping: XX. BAS DEC3053L Dec/Quantum 535MB 3.5"x1", SCSI-II, 5400 RPM, 9.5mS $ 195.00 XX. MER FUJ-1606S Fujitsu M1606S 1.0GB 3.5"x1" 5400RPM 10mS $ 427.00 Those are my current best price point drives in both sizes. Note that my best 535MB drive is actually less than 1/2 the price of my best 1G drive, and it has a _faster_ seek time, and all my iozone and bonnie data says the DEC3053L is a clear winner over the 1606S. > > that can be doing data trasfer at the same time and with proper load > > balancing gives 2 times the over all performance. I have sold off _all_ > > of my 1 and 2G drives and now stack 535MB 5400RPM 4.4MB/sec drives up to meet > > what ever capacity I need. My make world times are down 45 minutes or so due > > It's nice if you can afford it; here the price point is on the 1G disks, > so that's what I recommend. It's an interesting approach, though. I'm > speccing up a new workstation, so I might see how it pans out as compared > to a 4G Micropolis M3243. The curve on $/MB falls off rapidly above 2G, but up to that point I can still stack these DEC 535MB drives up at a lower cost. At 3G the curve swings the $ point the other way, but 8 of these to make a 4G drive would be at $1560, making the M3243 a clear winner in the <$1400 range. But, performance would be _far_ better with the 8 drives _if_ you can load balance the application accross multiple spindls _or_ you had stripping technology in the OS you where running. > > > You can only boot from the first two disks in the system. IDE disks count > > > first, then SCSI, so you can only boot from a SCSI disk if there's only > > > one IDE. > > > > If you have only scsi disks you can boot from drive 5 if you like, unless > > someone again has broken that piece of code :-(. > > That's dependant on BIOS support for more than two disk drives; certainly for > the Ultrastor controller that's optional (and has caused problems with > other non-operating systems). I don't recall what the situation is with > other controllers 8/. For any current production performance class scsi controller (bt, aha, ncr) the above mutliple drive support in the BIOS is a given. Your talking about abosolete, no longer avaliable, low performance controllers if they are missing this feature. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 10:01:35 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA27708 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 10:01:35 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA27698 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 10:01:31 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA04193; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 10:00:54 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508111700.KAA04193@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 10:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <5112.808090138@critter.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Aug 10, 95 02:28:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 684 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > I also happen to be running a fast enough CPU/Memory subsystem that even > > with this setup make world waits for disk I/O 28% of the time :-(. I have > > the time down to 3 hours 19 minutes (not building profiled libs, and not > > gzipping man pages, A80502-100 w/256K 8nS PB cache, 32MB memory) > > Still WAY to go before you beat my 20 minutes 12 seconds time :-) > > Oh well, I admit it: I cheated, I used 132 PC's .... Thats cheating, and you forgot to mention the SS1000 you used as the NFS engine to do it :-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 11:08:05 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA00351 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:08:05 -0700 Received: from critter.tfs.com (critter.tfs.com [140.145.16.11]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00344 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:08:02 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA05951; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 23:18:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Aug 1995 10:00:53 PDT." <199508111700.KAA04193@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 23:18:43 -0700 Message-ID: <5949.808121923@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > I also happen to be running a fast enough CPU/Memory subsystem that even > > > with this setup make world waits for disk I/O 28% of the time :-(. I hav e > > > the time down to 3 hours 19 minutes (not building profiled libs, and not > > > gzipping man pages, A80502-100 w/256K 8nS PB cache, 32MB memory) > > > > Still WAY to go before you beat my 20 minutes 12 seconds time :-) > > > > Oh well, I admit it: I cheated, I used 132 PC's .... > > Thats cheating, and you forgot to mention the SS1000 you used as the > NFS engine to do it :-) Well, I said I cheated didn't I ? and anyway it was five SS1000s and three SS20s :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Just that: dried leaves in boiling water ? From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 11:09:28 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA00601 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:09:28 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00527 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:08:59 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id NAA16019; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:59:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:59:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Reply-To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Michael Smith , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508111659.JAA04184@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Aug 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > XX. BAS DEC3053L Dec/Quantum 535MB 3.5"x1", SCSI-II, 5400 RPM, 9.5mS $ 195.00 rod, this is a great drive and i am very satisfied with mine ;) it is also a loud drive. when i hit swap on it, i know immediately. the seek motor must be a monster! ;) > XX. MER FUJ-1606S Fujitsu M1606S 1.0GB 3.5"x1" 5400RPM 10mS $ 427.00 this is also a very nice drive, and its quiet as a mouse. i have to listen carefully to hear it. (could be the result of years on a motorcycle) > balance the application accross multiple spindls _or_ you had stripping > technology in the OS you where running. talking of stripping, a while back, you, terry and others (if i remember correctly) discussed disk stripping and spindle syncing a number of drives together to produce a screamer disk system. was that code tainted in some way ?? or may it appear in 2.1 ?? two sets of 3053's stripped would be incredible....especially at under 40 cents a megabyte for those interested, i have bonnie and iozone results for these two drives below. Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 IOZONE: Performance Test of Sequential File I/O -- V2.01 (10/21/94) By Bill Norcott Operating System: POSIX 1003.1-1990 IOZONE: auto-test mode fujitsu: MB reclen bytes/sec written bytes/sec read 1 512 2917776 1945184 1 1024 4329604 1973790 1 2048 5368709 2064888 1 4096 5835553 2064888 1 8192 8388608 1890390 dec: 1 512 3050402 1890390 1 1024 4194304 1890390 1 2048 5592405 1838599 1 4096 6391320 1917396 1 8192 7895160 2314098 fujitsu: 2 512 1838599 2294320 2 1024 2274876 2274876 2 2048 2354696 2274876 2 4096 2485513 2274876 2 8192 2739137 1667300 dec: 2 512 1931190 2462710 2 1024 2064888 2462710 2 2048 2354696 2462710 2 4096 2508742 2485513 2 8192 2532409 2418337 fujitsu: 4 512 1844917 2497074 4 1024 1777718 2497074 4 2048 1844917 2508742 4 4096 1917396 2508742 4 8192 1547178 1715242 dec: 4 512 1743087 2684354 4 1024 1641807 2810842 4 2048 1801580 2739137 4 4096 1844917 2781714 4 8192 2080895 2886402 fujitsu: 8 512 1848092 1897070 8 1024 1729052 2625285 8 2048 1654455 2625285 8 4096 1731841 2638186 8 8192 1667300 2625285 dec: 8 512 1841752 2886402 8 1024 1740262 2990924 8 2048 1748765 3033168 8 4096 1757351 3007680 8 8192 1897070 3007680 fujitsu: 16 512 1689601 2451465 16 1024 1755914 2647945 16 2048 1673798 2697843 16 4096 1644321 2687714 16 8192 1731841 2681003 dec: 16 512 1816822 3116812 16 1024 1741673 3094356 16 2048 1737446 3135012 16 4096 1726273 3072222 16 8192 1733239 3144192 bonnie: -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Aspen MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU fujitsu 100 510 99.3 1892 14.4 1301 24.7 458 99.8 3873 39.1 58.0 6.1 dec 100 508 99.2 1533 10.8 1100 19.1 458 99.8 2921 26.9 53.6 5.6 /* dont jive with the iozone number very well, do they ? comments ? */ disklabels: NOTE: any misconfiguration here is my fault any recommenations are appreciated type: SCSI disk: DEC label: DSP3053LS-X442 flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 32 tracks/cylinder: 64 sectors/cylinder: 2048 cylinders: 511 rpm: 5400 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize cpg] a: 32768 0 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 0 - 15) b: 49152 32768 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 16 - 39) c: 1046528 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 510) d: 1046532 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 511*) e: 20480 81920 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 40 - 49) f: 425984 102400 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 50 - 257) h: 518144 528384 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 258 - 510) type: SCSI disk: sd1s1 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 32 tracks/cylinder: 64 sectors/cylinder: 2048 cylinders: 1041 rpm: 5400 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize cpg] a: 81920 62 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 0*- 40) b: 81920 81982 swap # (Cyl. 40*- 80) c: 2131126 62 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0*- 1040*) d: 2131992 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 1041*) e: 614400 163902 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 80*- 380) f: 1352886 778302 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 380*- 1040*) /* sysinstall put all these partitions off cylinder boundaries.....hmmm */ dmesg: FreeBSD 2.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Jul 30 17:43:54 EDT 1995 jmb@Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM:/usr/src/sys/compile/ASPEN CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) real memory = 7995392 (1952 pages) avail memory = 7028736 (1716 pages) [snip] pci0: scanning device 0..15, mechanism=2. chip0 on pci0:0 ncr0 int a irq 9 on pci0:1 reg20: virtual=0xf2ab2000 physical=0xc0000000 ncr0: restart (scsi reset). ncr0 scanning for targets 0..6 (1.12) ncr0 waiting for scsi devices to settle ncr0 targ 0 lun 0: type 0(direct) fixed SCSI2 ncr0 targ 0 lun 0: sd0(ncr0:0:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. sd0: 511MB (1046532 total sec), 3117 cyl, 4 head, 83 sec, bytes/sec 512 ncr0 targ 1 lun 0: type 0(direct) fixed SCSI2 ncr0 targ 1 lun 0: sd1(ncr0:1:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. sd1: 1041MB (2131992 total sec), 3457 cyl, 6 head, 102 sec, bytes/sec 512 chip1 on pci0:2 ncr1 int a irq 11 on pci0:5 reg20: virtual=0xf2ab3000 physical=0xc0001000 ncr1 scanning for targets 0..6 (1.12) ncr1 waiting for scsi devices to settle ncr1: restart (scsi reset). probe0(ncr1:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (6 ff) @f0478ce0. ncr1 targ 4 lun 0: type 1(sequential) removable SCSI2 ncr1 targ 4 lun 0: st0(ncr1:4:0): asynchronous. st0(ncr1:4:0): asynchronous. st0: density code 0x13, 512-byte blocks, write-enabled [snip] From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 11:48:19 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA03352 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:48:19 -0700 Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03344 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 11:48:10 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA28075; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:46:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199508111846.MAA28075@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol From: Steve Passe To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:59:49 EDT." Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:46:39 -0600 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, > talking of stripping, a while back, you, terry and others (if i >remember correctly) discussed disk stripping and spindle syncing a >number of drives together to produce a screamer disk system. was that >code tainted in some way ?? or may it appear in 2.1 ?? > > two sets of 3053's stripped would be incredible....especially at >under 40 cents a megabyte my "dream" system would use a 3940W to stripe pairs of spindle-synced drives, am also interested if anything exists along these lines. also, I seem to remember seeing an ad recently for a WIDE SCSI drive that claimed to do internal head stripping allowing it to approach a sustained 20 MB transfer rate on the SCSI bus. anyone know what drive this was, I can't recall... (old age is a terrible thing!) Steve Passe smp@teal.csn.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 12:33:00 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA04772 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:33:00 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA04763 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:32:51 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA04817; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:32:23 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508111932.MAA04817@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: smp@teal.csn.org (Steve Passe) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jmb@kryten.atinc.com, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508111846.MAA28075@clem.systemsix.com> from "Steve Passe" at Aug 11, 95 12:46:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3201 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Hello, > > > talking of striping, a while back, you, terry and others (if i > >remember correctly) discussed disk striping and spindle syncing a > >number of drives together to produce a screamer disk system. was that > >code tainted in some way ?? No, the code is not tainted. The code is working for _RAW_ disks. I have done 2 to 4 wide raw strippes using spindle sync'd DSP3053L's and multiple NCR 810 controllers. Best numbers where four drives, four controllers at 11.2MB/sec to the RAW disk. > >or may it appear in 2.1 ?? No, defanitly _not_ 2.1, perhaps 2.2. I ran into a snap when I went to try and put disklabels on the striped raw device. It is called slice code :-(. I didn't want to deal with it at that time as the slice code was rapidly evolving. Now that the stripe code seems to have stabalized when I get some time I will demouthball my work and go back at getting a file system on one of these beasts. My first cut code was really just a hatched job on the BSD 4.4 Lite concat disk driver. After hacking that to kinda prove that it would work I started over from scratch and write a new implementation of concat with more options (striping is just a part of what you should be able to do with this type of code, mirroring is the other one :-). For any of you out there who have ever managed Auspex NFS engines, you'll know just about what my code should look like when it gets done from the users view point. The block level interleaving mechanism needs to be more tuneable than what either the concat code or Auspex offers. In the case of the concat driver it is hard coded in the kernel :-(, in the case of Auspex it is based on having a lot of smarts in the scsi controller so you don't need to tune this much. On FreeBSD since disk drives will have widly varied cache sizes and transfer characteristics this part of the system needs to be highly tuneable at volume creation time or you can't get good results. It took me a whole afternoon to find the ``right'' set of numbers to make the spindle synced 3053L's play well togeather, things like rotation offset also have to be set properly in the drive based on the blocking factors used in transfers so that blocks come under the heads immediatly after you issue the write :-) > > two sets of 3053's striped would be incredible....especially at > >under 40 cents a megabyte > > my "dream" system would use a 3940W to stripe pairs of spindle-synced > drives, am also interested if anything exists along these lines. Proof of concept model was up and running here on quad NCR810's 3 months ago. Raw disk only, but hey, it worked! > also, I seem to remember seeing an ad recently for a WIDE SCSI drive > that claimed to do internal head striping allowing it to approach > a sustained 20 MB transfer rate on the SCSI bus. anyone know what > drive this was, I can't recall... (old age is a terrible thing!) When you find this info let me know PLEASE!!! Now, take 4 of them and stripe it! > > Steve Passe > smp@teal.csn.org > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 12:43:34 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA05031 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:43:34 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA05024 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:43:28 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA04834; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:42:34 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508111942.MAA04834@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: jmb@kryten.Atinc.COM Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Aug 11, 95 01:59:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3069 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > On Fri, 11 Aug 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > XX. BAS DEC3053L Dec/Quantum 535MB 3.5"x1", SCSI-II, 5400 RPM, 9.5mS $ 195.00 > > rod, this is a great drive and i am very satisfied with mine ;) > it is also a loud drive. when i hit swap on it, i know immediately. the > seek motor must be a monster! ;) Getting that last .5mS cost a bit in noise. You should be in a room with 10 of those laying out on benches running make worlds on a pile of machines, now that is LOUD. There are not so loud that once you put them in a case you can't stand next to it and have a phone conversation (I know drives that are that LOUD :-)). And if you want it to make noise, just fire up ``find /'', it's much noisier than a little paging :-) > > XX. MER FUJ-1606S Fujitsu M1606S 1.0GB 3.5"x1" 5400RPM 10mS $ 427.00 > > this is also a very nice drive, and its quiet as a mouse. i > have to listen carefully to hear it. (could be the result of years on a > motorcycle) It's not the motorcycle riding :-). Fujitsu is pretty good about quite drives, but boy there Alegro 7200RPM 2G drive is a loud one. It makes the 3053L sound quite in comparison! But it is not seek noise for that drive, it has a horrible spindle noise, and no, this was not a single drive with bad bearings. I went to RMA it and we went through 5 drives, all the same, and then we called Fujitsu, and they gave us the sound level spec for the drive. I was not very happy about it :-(. > > balance the application accross multiple spindls _or_ you had stripping > > technology in the OS you where running. > > talking of stripping, a while back, you, terry and others (if i > remember correctly) discussed disk stripping and spindle syncing a ... See other reply to a reply on this subject from some one else :-) > > IOZONE: auto-test mode Pretty typical numbers, but the numbers I use are always for a freshly newfs disk using the outer tracks (ie, maximal conditions). Your numbers are considerably lower than my 2.4/4.4MB/sec rating for the DSP3053L due to file system fragmentation and the fact your probably running at about the 250MB mark in on the disk (guessed from your numbers :-)). > > bonnie: I really should start to run bonnie under the same conditions as I do Iozone and see if I can correlate the two sets of numbers. > > /* dont jive with the iozone number very well, do they ? comments ? */ Was this under identical conditions? > > disklabels: NOTE: any misconfiguration here is my fault > any recommenations are appreciated Actually, any miss configuration on the DSP3053L is _MY_ fault. That is my standard label, I recognize it! > > type: SCSI > disk: sd1s1 This one you can take the blame for, but it is reasonable. > > > /* sysinstall put all these partitions off cylinder boundaries.....hmmm */ You don't have to worry about cyl boundaries inside the BSD slice. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 12:59:44 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA06045 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:59:44 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA06031 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:59:32 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id PAA19040; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 15:50:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 15:50:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508111942.MAA04834@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Aug 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > XX. BAS DEC3053L Dec/Quantum 535MB 3.5"x1", SCSI-II, 5400 RPM, 9.5mS $ 195.00 > > > > rod, this is a great drive and i am very satisfied with mine ;) > > it is also a loud drive. when i hit swap on it, i know immediately. the > > seek motor must be a monster! ;) > > Getting that last .5mS cost a bit in noise. You should be in a room with > 10 of those laying out on benches running make worlds on a pile of machines, > now that is LOUD. ;))) > > IOZONE: auto-test mode > > Pretty typical numbers, but the numbers I use are always for a > freshly newfs disk using the outer tracks (ie, maximal conditions). > > Your numbers are considerably lower than my 2.4/4.4MB/sec rating > for the DSP3053L due to file system fragmentation and the fact your > probably running at about the 250MB mark in on the disk (guessed from > your numbers :-)). at that point the disk had been in constant use for some 5 months, must have had 300mb on it at the time > > bonnie: > > > > /* dont jive with the iozone number very well, do they ? comments ? */ > > Was this under identical conditions? identical is a pretty strong condition.....the fujitsu drive was new at the time so fragmentation was minimal. at this time, several weeks of use it still reports the same bonnie numbers. > > disklabels: NOTE: any misconfiguration here is my fault > > any recommenations are appreciated > > Actually, any miss configuration on the DSP3053L is _MY_ fault. That > is my standard label, I recognize it! two points! > > type: SCSI > > disk: sd1s1 > > This one you can take the blame for, but it is reasonable. ;) had a place to take clues from. > > /* sysinstall put all these partitions off cylinder boundaries.....hmmm */ > > You don't have to worry about cyl boundaries inside the BSD slice. excellent....but ths slice must be on cyl boundaries ?? Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 13:51:13 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA09973 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:51:13 -0700 Received: from tango.rahul.net (tango.rahul.net [192.160.13.5]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA09882 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:50:51 -0700 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by tango.rahul.net with SMTP id AA21388 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:50:20 -0700 Received: from jive.rahul.net by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP id AA09338 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:50:19 -0700 Received: by jive.rahul.net (5.67b8/jive-a2i-1.0) id AA08490; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:50:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:50:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Kirchhoff Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: Steve Passe Cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508111846.MAA28075@clem.systemsix.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I thing IBM has a drive like that. It had two 2 gig 3.5 drives mounted in a full height frame. The ad said the two drive were addressed as one and the data was stripped across them. On Fri, 11 Aug 1995, Steve Passe wrote: > > my "dream" system would use a 3940W to stripe pairs of spindle-synced > drives, am also interested if anything exists along these lines. > > also, I seem to remember seeing an ad recently for a WIDE SCSI drive > that claimed to do internal head stripping allowing it to approach > a sustained 20 MB transfer rate on the SCSI bus. anyone know what > drive this was, I can't recall... (old age is a terrible thing!) > > Steve Passe > smp@teal.csn.org > From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 14:06:14 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA10677 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 14:06:14 -0700 Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA10655 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 14:06:04 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA29000; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 15:05:21 -0600 Message-Id: <199508112105.PAA29000@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol From: Steve Passe To: Jay Kirchhoff Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:50:17 PDT." Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 15:05:18 -0600 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, On Fri, 11 Aug 1995, Jay Kirchhoff wrote: >I thing IBM has a drive like that. It had two 2 gig 3.5 drives mounted >in a full height frame. The ad said the two drive were addressed as one >and the data was stripped across them. No, the ad I (think) I saw was for a discrete drive. Really not sure why drive makers haven't done this years ago, there are already multiple heads (1 per surface), and they are already 'spindle-synced'. The cost would be duplication of head read/write circuits and some additional combiner silicon. Steve Passe smp@teal.csn.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 15:52:26 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA17377 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 15:52:26 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA17362 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 15:52:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 18:54:29 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Michael Smith , john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-Reply-To: <199508110859.BAA03829@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Aug 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > ... > > > 5. For 1GB disk would 2*500MB disks be preferable to 1*1GB? Could then > > > configure 2 swap partitions. > > > > Generally, the 1G disk will perform better than a 1/2 price 500M unit, > > so two disks is false economy. > > This is absolutly the opposite of the real situation. 2 disk drives of > 1/2 the size and identical performance characteristecs give you 2 spindles > that can be doing data trasfer at the same time and with proper load > balancing gives 2 times the over all performance. I have sold off _all_ > of my 1 and 2G drives and now stack 535MB 5400RPM 4.4MB/sec drives up to meet > what ever capacity I need. My make world times are down 45 minutes or so due > to running accross 3 disk drives (1 src, 1 obj, 1 system binaries, all > three have swap areas (but then, with 32MB you never swap during make > world if nothing else is going on). > > I also happen to be running a fast enough CPU/Memory subsystem that even > with this setup make world waits for disk I/O 28% of the time :-(. I have > the time down to 3 hours 19 minutes (not building profiled libs, and not > gzipping man pages, A80502-100 w/256K 8nS PB cache, 32MB memory) > > Infact I can sell you more bang for the buck in 535MB 5400 RPM drives right > now than I can in a 1G drive, not by much, but a few dollars. And just > getting your home direcories off the system spindle is a _big_ help in > system response. > > > > 6. In a mixed IDE/SCSI system (assumes answer to 1 is yes) can the boot manager > > > handle booting from the SCSI drive if one of the IDEs is the default boot? > > > > You can only boot from the first two disks in the system. IDE disks count > > first, then SCSI, so you can only boot from a SCSI disk if there's only > > one IDE. > > If you have only scsi disks you can boot from drive 5 if you like, unless > someone again has broken that piece of code :-(. > > > > I'll upgrade the processor at a later date and put in more memory then. > > > > I'd put your priorities as disk, memory, processor in that order. > > Good rule of thumb. > > > Hope the opinion's some use... > > I hope mine is too... Now my question is how do you figure out what the mounting point is for each drive? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! Chabot Observatory & Science Center From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 16:08:42 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA18952 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 16:08:42 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA18944 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 16:08:38 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id SAA23726; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 18:59:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 18:59:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: -Vince- cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Michael Smith , john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I hope mine is too... > > Now my question is how do you figure out what the mounting point > is for each drive? unionfs ? > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 11 20:23:12 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA10746 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 20:23:12 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA10734 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 20:23:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 23:25:12 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Michael Smith , john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 11 Aug 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > I hope mine is too... > > > > Now my question is how do you figure out what the mounting point > > is for each drive? > > > unionfs ? yes, ufs. What I mean is how do you figure out what directory to mount each drive since a majority of stuff is on /usr already... Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! Chabot Observatory & Science Center From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 02:40:00 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA19300 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 02:40:00 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA19293 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 02:39:57 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA05542; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 02:39:07 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508120939.CAA05542@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: jmb@kryten.Atinc.COM (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 02:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Aug 11, 95 03:50:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2179 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ... > > > IOZONE: auto-test mode > > > > Pretty typical numbers, but the numbers I use are always for a > > freshly newfs disk using the outer tracks (ie, maximal conditions). > > > > Your numbers are considerably lower than my 2.4/4.4MB/sec rating > > for the DSP3053L due to file system fragmentation and the fact your > > probably running at about the 250MB mark in on the disk (guessed from > > your numbers :-)). > > at that point the disk had been in constant use for some 5 > months, must have had 300mb on it at the time Okay, so I was off 50MB, that's within 10%. Don't I get 2 points for that?? :-) :-) > > > bonnie: > > > > > > /* dont jive with the iozone number very well, do they ? comments ? */ > > > > Was this under identical conditions? > > identical is a pretty strong condition.....the fujitsu drive was > new at the time so fragmentation was minimal. at this time, several > weeks of use it still reports the same bonnie numbers. Is what I really meant was Iozone and Bonnie run one right after the other so that they system had not changed as far as fragmentation, where on the disk the test where run, etc. > > > disklabels: NOTE: any misconfiguration here is my fault > > > any recommenations are appreciated > > > > Actually, any miss configuration on the DSP3053L is _MY_ fault. That > > is my standard label, I recognize it! > two points! :-) > > > type: SCSI > > > disk: sd1s1 > > > > This one you can take the blame for, but it is reasonable. > > ;) had a place to take clues from. :-) > > > > /* sysinstall put all these partitions off cylinder boundaries.....hmmm */ > > > > You don't have to worry about cyl boundaries inside the BSD slice. > > excellent....but ths slice must be on cyl boundaries ?? To maintain compatibility with what almost all other OS's do, YES. Strickly speaking for FreeBSD itself, NO it could care less about that. Though some BIOS's might have a problem with a bootable partition that did not start on a track boundary. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 02:59:43 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA19666 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 02:59:43 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA19658 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 02:59:41 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA05630; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 02:58:54 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508120958.CAA05630@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: jayk@rahul.net (Jay Kirchhoff) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 02:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: smp@teal.csn.org, jmb@kryten.atinc.com, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jay Kirchhoff" at Aug 11, 95 01:50:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1533 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > I thing IBM has a drive like that. It had two 2 gig 3.5 drives mounted > in a full height frame. The ad said the two drive were addressed as one > and the data was stripped across them. IBM does make a drive like that, but the transfer rate is not what you would get on a 4 platter drive using head striping, as with the dual 2 gig drives you simple get 2 heads of stripe width, with the 4 platter drive you put 1 bit on each surface and use 8 heads at a time. This would put a 5400 RPM drive into the 32MB/sec head to drive electronics transfer rate, something that could finally swamp a fast wide scsi-ii bus :-). As it stands today it is very hard to find any drive capable of >6MB/s of head to electronics transfer rate. If I recall the dual IBM 5.25 inch drive setup it has a transfer rate just under 6MB/s :-(. > On Fri, 11 Aug 1995, Steve Passe wrote: > > > > > my "dream" system would use a 3940W to stripe pairs of spindle-synced > > drives, am also interested if anything exists along these lines. > > > > also, I seem to remember seeing an ad recently for a WIDE SCSI drive > > that claimed to do internal head stripping allowing it to approach > > a sustained 20 MB transfer rate on the SCSI bus. anyone know what > > drive this was, I can't recall... (old age is a terrible thing!) > > > > Steve Passe > > smp@teal.csn.org > > > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 03:12:41 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id DAA19999 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 03:12:41 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA19993 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 03:12:38 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id DAA05664; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 03:12:12 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508121012.DAA05664@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: smp@teal.csn.org (Steve Passe) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 03:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jayk@rahul.net, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508112105.PAA29000@clem.systemsix.com> from "Steve Passe" at Aug 11, 95 03:05:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1452 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hello, > > On Fri, 11 Aug 1995, Jay Kirchhoff wrote: > > >I thing IBM has a drive like that. It had two 2 gig 3.5 drives mounted > >in a full height frame. The ad said the two drive were addressed as one > >and the data was stripped across them. > > No, the ad I (think) I saw was for a discrete drive. Really not sure > why drive makers haven't done this years ago, there are already > multiple heads (1 per surface), and they are already > 'spindle-synced'. The cost would be duplication of head read/write > circuits and some additional combiner silicon. The biggest reason they have not done this is there is 1 analog preamp that sits on the actuator arm with an analog CMOS mux to switch between heads. Adding 3 or 7 amplifiers would be a signficant amount of mass on the actuator causing problems, and putting it farther away causes signal problems. You would also seriously increase the cross talk problems in the head to drive electronics cable when you started to run 4 or 8 analog 50MHz + data streams down it. This is a very low voltage high frequency transmission line and it is hard enough to make 1 work in a strip line design without stacking 3 or 7 more next to it causing noise. These are solveable problems, but they are expensive and complicated to solve. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 03:28:03 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id DAA20224 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 03:28:03 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA20218 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 03:27:59 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id DAA05713; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 03:27:23 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508121027.DAA05713@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 03:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Aug 11, 95 06:54:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 738 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [Stuff about striped disks] > > > > I hope mine is too... > > Now my question is how do you figure out what the mounting point > is for each drive? You don't mount each drive, you mount a virtual device called a concatted disk that has been told that these raw partitions are what create the logical partition. On an Auspex this is done with an /etc file, with 4.4BSD lite it is done in the kernel config file, with AAC's stripe driver it is done with an ioctl right now, but will use the /etc file very similiar to an Auspex once the user land commands are written for it. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 03:33:26 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id DAA20500 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 03:33:26 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA20493 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 03:33:16 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id DAA05729; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 03:31:52 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508121031.DAA05729@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: jmb@kryten.Atinc.COM (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 03:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Aug 11, 95 06:59:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 735 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > I hope mine is too... > > > > Now my question is how do you figure out what the mounting point > > is for each drive? > > > unionfs ? This is below the fs layer, this is _virtual_ disk type devices. You end up with /dev/cdX under 4.4 lite (sic, conflicts with scsi cdrom driver on many platforms :-(). On an Auspex it is /dev/vdX or is that /dev/vnX, been a few months, unionfs can not do what this does, and that is scatter blocks accross partitions (yes, you can stripe to one disk, though that makes a very slow disk, it makes it cheap to work on the code.) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 10:18:56 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA03264 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:18:56 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA03256 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:18:54 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:20:20 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-Reply-To: <199508121027.DAA05713@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Aug 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > [Stuff about striped disks] > > > > > > > I hope mine is too... > > > > Now my question is how do you figure out what the mounting point > > is for each drive? > > You don't mount each drive, you mount a virtual device called a concatted > disk that has been told that these raw partitions are what create the > logical partition. > > On an Auspex this is done with an /etc file, with 4.4BSD lite it is > done in the kernel config file, with AAC's stripe driver it is done > with an ioctl right now, but will use the /etc file very similiar > to an Auspex once the user land commands are written for it. Hmmm okay but I notice like many systems still have mounting points like they have a whole disk or partition just for /var/mail but can you give a example how the above is done and can FreeBSD handle 9 GIG SCSI drives? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! Chabot Observatory & Science Center From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 10:19:48 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA03358 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:19:48 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA03352 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:19:41 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:21:44 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-Reply-To: <199508121031.DAA05729@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Aug 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > I hope mine is too... > > > > > > Now my question is how do you figure out what the mounting point > > > is for each drive? > > > > > > unionfs ? > > This is below the fs layer, this is _virtual_ disk type devices. You > end up with /dev/cdX under 4.4 lite (sic, conflicts with scsi cdrom > driver on many platforms :-(). On an Auspex it is /dev/vdX or is > that /dev/vnX, been a few months, unionfs can not do what this > does, and that is scatter blocks accross partitions (yes, you can > stripe to one disk, though that makes a very slow disk, it makes > it cheap to work on the code.) Now this would be neat but what will the output of df look like? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! Chabot Observatory & Science Center From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 10:35:02 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA05154 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:35:02 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA05140 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:34:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA02177 ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 18:33:07 +0100 X-Message: This is a dial-up site. Quick responses to e-mails should not be relied upon. Thanks! To: -Vince- cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:20:20 EDT." Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 18:33:06 +0100 Message-ID: <2175.808248786@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message , -V ince- writes: > Hmmm okay but I notice like many systems still have mounting >points like they have a whole disk or partition just for /var/mail but >can you give a example how the above is done and can FreeBSD handle 9 GIG >SCSI drives? Err - /var/spool/news on news.cdrom.com is just that - a 9Gb SCSI disk. And news is running FreeBSD... Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 10:35:59 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA05316 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:35:59 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA05308 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:35:58 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:38:01 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Gary Palmer cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-Reply-To: <2175.808248786@palmer.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Aug 1995, Gary Palmer wrote: > In message , -V > ince- writes: > > Hmmm okay but I notice like many systems still have mounting > >points like they have a whole disk or partition just for /var/mail but > >can you give a example how the above is done and can FreeBSD handle 9 GIG > >SCSI drives? > > Err - /var/spool/news on news.cdrom.com is just that - a 9Gb SCSI > disk. And news is running FreeBSD... I forgot who mentioned on the list that 4 GB was the limit. What brand is the 9GB SCSI on news.cdrom.com? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! Chabot Observatory & Science Center From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 10:56:15 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA07176 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:56:15 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA07158 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:56:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA02240 ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 18:53:55 +0100 X-Message: This is a dial-up site. Quick responses to e-mails should not be relied upon. Thanks! To: -Vince- cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:38:01 EDT." Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 18:53:54 +0100 Message-ID: <2238.808250034@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message , -V ince- writes: > I forgot who mentioned on the list that 4 GB was the limit. What >brand is the 9GB SCSI on news.cdrom.com? Sorry? They're lying/mistaken. It used to be a 2GB limit (not 4 - they were unsigned ints), but that restriction vanished quite a while ago (somewhere between 2.0 and 2.0.5). AFAIR, it's now 1TB. And the drive is a Micropolis 1991. Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 10:59:15 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA07571 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:59:15 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA07563 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:59:14 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:01:25 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Gary Palmer cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-Reply-To: <2238.808250034@palmer.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Aug 1995, Gary Palmer wrote: > In message , -V > ince- writes: > > I forgot who mentioned on the list that 4 GB was the limit. What > >brand is the 9GB SCSI on news.cdrom.com? > > Sorry? They're lying/mistaken. It used to be a 2GB limit (not 4 - they > were unsigned ints), but that restriction vanished quite a while ago > (somewhere between 2.0 and 2.0.5). AFAIR, it's now 1TB. Oh okay, then that wouldn't be a problem to use a 9GB drive. > And the drive is a Micropolis 1991. Hmmm, are they pretty good and quiet of a drive or would I be better off with a Seageate or Quantum (If they make one)? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! Chabot Observatory & Science Center From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 11:45:23 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA10151 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 11:45:23 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA10145 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 11:45:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA02417 ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 19:44:26 +0100 X-Message: This is a dial-up site. Quick responses to e-mails should not be relied upon. Thanks! To: -Vince- cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:01:25 EDT." Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 19:44:25 +0100 Message-ID: <2415.808253065@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [CC: list trimmed, primarily to save my machine work :-)] In message , -V ince- writes: >> And the drive is a Micropolis 1991. > Hmmm, are they pretty good and quiet of a drive or would I be >better off with a Seageate or Quantum (If they make one)? Dunno about quiet - it's in a machine room... I don't think so tho. Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 12:08:10 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAB11189 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:08:10 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA11183 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:08:08 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 15:10:24 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Gary Palmer cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-Reply-To: <2415.808253065@palmer.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Aug 1995, Gary Palmer wrote: > > [CC: list trimmed, primarily to save my machine work :-)] > > In message , -V > ince- writes: > >> And the drive is a Micropolis 1991. > > > Hmmm, are they pretty good and quiet of a drive or would I be > >better off with a Seageate or Quantum (If they make one)? > > Dunno about quiet - it's in a machine room... I don't think so tho. Is Micropolis pretty reliable though? What drives does wcarchive and freefall use? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! Chabot Observatory & Science Center From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 12:21:14 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA11927 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:21:14 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA11919 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:21:10 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA02602 ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 20:20:44 +0100 X-Message: This is a dial-up site. Quick responses to e-mails should not be relied upon. Thanks! To: -Vince- cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Aug 1995 15:10:24 EDT." Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 20:20:43 +0100 Message-ID: <2600.808255243@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message , -V ince- writes: > Is Micropolis pretty reliable though? What drives does wcarchive >and freefall use? Dunno. One sector seems to be coming up repeatedly as bad, although I haven't scanned the logs closely enough to see if it's more than one or not. Probably be fixed by changing the appropriate mode page to enable auto-bad-block remapping by the drive. wcarchive uses 2 5.25" FH (Full Height) Micropolis 3Gb drives, 6 Segate 5.25" FH drives (somewhere around the 2-3Gb mark) and an assortment of Seagate Hawks and Quantum Grand Prix's. See ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/config for more. freefall seems to run with Quantum drives (1 Empire 2100 and 2 PDS1800's judging by the dmesg). Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 13:16:40 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA15837 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:16:40 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA15819 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:16:37 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA06728; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:15:21 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508122015.NAA06728@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jmb@kryten.atinc.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Aug 12, 95 01:21:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2788 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sat, 12 Aug 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > > > > I hope mine is too... > > > > > > > > Now my question is how do you figure out what the mounting point > > > > is for each drive? > > > > > > > > > unionfs ? > > > > This is below the fs layer, this is _virtual_ disk type devices. You > > end up with /dev/cdX under 4.4 lite (sic, conflicts with scsi cdrom > > driver on many platforms :-(). On an Auspex it is /dev/vdX or is > > that /dev/vnX, been a few months, unionfs can not do what this > > does, and that is scatter blocks accross partitions (yes, you can > > stripe to one disk, though that makes a very slow disk, it makes > > it cheap to work on the code.) > > Now this would be neat but what will the output of df look like? If you have never been around a stipe disk I suppose these questions are not out of line. However I don't have a lot of time to answer questions at this level. This is the last one I will answer about the fundementals of disk stripe operation. If Terry Lambert or one of the others here cares to pick this tread up and explain what these things are, by all means, please do, but I am not going to have time to do that and work on any code :-(. Here is what df looks like on my box when I am not playing with stripe code: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd0a 15871 11210 3391 77% / /dev/sd0d 15871 1217 13384 8% /tmp /dev/sd0e 15871 6522 8079 45% /var /dev/sd0f 95311 59505 28181 68% /usr /dev/sd0g 158863 121944 24209 83% /usr/src /dev/sd0h 173727 137736 22092 86% /a /dev/sd1h 475599 410211 27340 94% /b /dev/sd2h 475599 432456 5095 99% /c /dev/sd1a 15871 1 14600 0% /tmp2 /dev/sd2a 15871 1 14600 0% /tmp3 And here is what it looks like when I have my 2 wide stripe running on /dev/sd1a /dev/sd2a: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd0a 15871 11210 3391 77% / /dev/sd0d 15871 1217 13384 8% /tmp /dev/sd0e 15871 6522 8079 45% /var /dev/sd0f 95311 59505 28181 68% /usr /dev/sd0g 158863 121944 24209 83% /usr/src /dev/sd0h 173727 137736 22092 86% /a /dev/sd1h 475599 410211 27340 94% /b /dev/sd2h 475599 432456 5095 99% /c /dev/vd0a 31742 1 29200 0% /tmp2 [Note, this is faked since I don't have that code compile into the kernel on gndrsh.] -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 13:29:47 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA16929 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:29:47 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA16921 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:29:45 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA06843; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:28:25 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508122028.NAA06843@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: gary@palmer.demon.co.uk, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Aug 12, 95 02:01:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1231 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sat, 12 Aug 1995, Gary Palmer wrote: > > > In message , -V > > ince- writes: > > > I forgot who mentioned on the list that 4 GB was the limit. What > > >brand is the 9GB SCSI on news.cdrom.com? > > > > Sorry? They're lying/mistaken. It used to be a 2GB limit (not 4 - they > > were unsigned ints), but that restriction vanished quite a while ago > > (somewhere between 2.0 and 2.0.5). AFAIR, it's now 1TB. > > Oh okay, then that wouldn't be a problem to use a 9GB drive. > > > And the drive is a Micropolis 1991. > > Hmmm, are they pretty good and quiet of a drive or would I be > better off with a Seageate or Quantum (If they make one)? _The_ 9G drive to have is the Micropolis 1991. Quantum does not make a drive in this capacity (or didn't as of my last product brief update 4 weeks ago) and I wouldn't trust 9G of data to Seagates version of the 9G drive. [About the only Seagate I will even sell right now is the Hawk series as it has shown to be one of Seagates good drive lines] -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 13:36:52 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA18105 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:36:52 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA18092 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:36:47 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA06906; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:36:12 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508122036.NAA06906@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Cc: gary@palmer.demon.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Aug 12, 95 03:10:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1059 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sat, 12 Aug 1995, Gary Palmer wrote: > > > > > [CC: list trimmed, primarily to save my machine work :-)] > > > > In message , -V > > ince- writes: > > >> And the drive is a Micropolis 1991. > > > > > Hmmm, are they pretty good and quiet of a drive or would I be > > >better off with a Seageate or Quantum (If they make one)? > > > > Dunno about quiet - it's in a machine room... I don't think so tho. > > Is Micropolis pretty reliable though? Micropolis has one of the best track records in the industry for the reliability of thier drives. They were the only vendor for a long time to pass Auspex's reliability requirements. > What drives does wcarchive and freefall use? Seagates and Micropolis on wcarchive last I heard, and Freefall is pure Quantum unless something has changed last time I looked at dmesg output. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 14:24:37 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA21622 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:24:37 -0700 Received: from rs1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (rs1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.22.60]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA21609 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:24:29 -0700 Received: from [130.83.177.7] (ppp07.stud.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.177.7]) by rs1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id XAA22727 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:24:11 +0200 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:24:15 +0200 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org From: beckmann@powermac.stud.th-darmstadt.de (Michael Beckmann) Subject: PCI Ethernet Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I want to obtain a busmaster capable PCI Ethernet board for a FreeBSD server (Asus SP3G board). But which of the available PCI Ethernet adaptors have the DEC chips that are required by FreeBSD ? The dealers where I inquired about this didn't know. Can anyone tell me the brand names and model names of PCI Ethernet boards which are supported by FreeBSD ? When I have this information it will be a lot easier for me to order. Thanks, Michael Beckmann From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 14:34:15 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA22227 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:34:15 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA22219 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:34:12 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA07705; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:32:32 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508122132.OAA07705@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: PCI Ethernet To: beckmann@powermac.stud.th-darmstadt.de (Michael Beckmann) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Beckmann" at Aug 12, 95 11:24:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1130 Sender: hardware-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I want to obtain a busmaster capable PCI Ethernet board for a FreeBSD > server (Asus SP3G board). But which of the available PCI Ethernet adaptors > have the DEC chips that are required by FreeBSD ? The dealers where I > inquired about this didn't know. Can anyone tell me the brand names and > model names of PCI Ethernet boards which are supported by FreeBSD ? When I > have this information it will be a lot easier for me to order. XX. TMG CPXPCI/32C Compex ENET32-PCI PCI 32bit ethernet combo $ 99.00 XX. TMG SMC9332 SMC 10/100MB DEC 21140 ethernet $ 159.00 You can order direct from me, (503) 667-9409. Currently all of my CPXPCI/32C's are allocated, but I can free one of them up as the system it is allocated to is waiting on other parts, and my new stock will be here before the other parts anyway. These are the DEC based boards, and I sell a lot of ASUS so I know that they work just fine with the PCI/I-486SP3G you have. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 17:05:44 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA26652 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 17:05:44 -0700 Received: from pelican.com (pelican.com [134.24.4.62]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA26645 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 17:05:41 -0700 Received: from puffin.pelican.com by pelican.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0shQYc-000K2lC; Sat, 12 Aug 95 17:05 WET DST Received: (from pete@localhost) by puffin.pelican.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA22212; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 17:05:38 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 17:05:38 -0700 From: Pete Carah Message-Id: <199508130005.RAA22212@puffin.pelican.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Newsgroups: pelican.fbsd-hd In-Reply-To: <199508121027.DAA05713@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article <199508121027.DAA05713@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> you write: > >[Stuff about striped disks] > >> > >> > I hope mine is too... >> >> Now my question is how do you figure out what the mounting point >> is for each drive? > >You don't mount each drive, you mount a virtual device called a concatted >disk that has been told that these raw partitions are what create the >logical partition. > >On an Auspex this is done with an /etc file, with 4.4BSD lite it is >done in the kernel config file, with AAC's stripe driver it is done >with an ioctl right now, but will use the /etc file very similiar >to an Auspex once the user land commands are written for it. SGI uses /etc/lvtab for this. Video drives do have parallel analog amps on the head assembly, but now the trend is to stripe fast wide drives instead; saves custom hardware. --Pete From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 17:14:41 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA26869 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 17:14:41 -0700 Received: from pelican.com (pelican.com [134.24.4.62]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA26863 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 17:14:36 -0700 Received: from puffin.pelican.com by pelican.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0shQhE-000K2lC; Sat, 12 Aug 95 17:14 WET DST Received: (from pete@localhost) by puffin.pelican.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA22232; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 17:14:31 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 17:14:31 -0700 From: Pete Carah Message-Id: <199508130014.RAA22232@puffin.pelican.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-Reply-To: Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article you write: >> stripe to one disk, though that makes a very slow disk, it makes ... >> it cheap to work on the code.) > > Now this would be neat but what will the output of df look like? For a possible example, mount (via the net) wuarchive.wustl.edu:/archive and do a df.. FreeBSD s one system that gets the output right :-) (note that IRIX 4.x doesn't). -- Pete From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 19:48:16 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA01552 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 19:48:16 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA01534 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 19:48:13 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA08234; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 19:47:48 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199508130247.TAA08234@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: pete@puffin.pelican.com (Pete Carah) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 19:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508130014.RAA22232@puffin.pelican.com> from "Pete Carah" at Aug 12, 95 05:14:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 778 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > In article you write: > >> stripe to one disk, though that makes a very slow disk, it makes > ... > >> it cheap to work on the code.) > > > > Now this would be neat but what will the output of df look like? > For a possible example, mount (via the net) wuarchive.wustl.edu:/archive > and do a df.. FreeBSD s one system that gets the output right :-) > (note that IRIX 4.x doesn't). Well, an NFS mount will always look the same no mater what the underlying disk on the host is: wuarchive.wustl.edu:/archive 45624379 44227469 940666 98% /mnt -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 21:33:27 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA08035 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:33:27 -0700 Received: from tailspin.nas.nasa.gov (tailspin.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.33.48]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA08025 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:33:25 -0700 Received: from localhost (proett@localhost) by tailspin.nas.nasa.gov (8.6.12/NAS.6.1) with SMTP id VAA15622; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:32:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199508130432.VAA15622@tailspin.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: tailspin.nas.nasa.gov: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Steve Passe cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , hardware@freebsd.org, proett@nas.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:46:39 MDT." <199508111846.MAA28075@clem.systemsix.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:32:52 -0700 From: Tom Proett Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > also, I seem to remember seeing an ad recently for a WIDE SCSI drive > that claimed to do internal head stripping allowing it to approach > a sustained 20 MB transfer rate on the SCSI bus. anyone know what > drive this was, I can't recall... (old age is a terrible thing!) There is an IBM drive I saw advertised awhile ago which was wide scsi and had two HDA's acting as a single device. It did it's own head stripping and got upwards of 6Mb/s as I recall. The drives only spin at 5400rpm so data comes off each head at about 3Mb/s. When they make a new one with 7200rpm drives you might get close to 10Mb/s sustained. Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 21:59:07 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA09873 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:59:07 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA09863 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:59:05 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 01:01:19 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Gary Palmer cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-Reply-To: <2600.808255243@palmer.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Aug 1995, Gary Palmer wrote: > In message , -V > ince- writes: > > Is Micropolis pretty reliable though? What drives does wcarchive > >and freefall use? > > Dunno. One sector seems to be coming up repeatedly as bad, although I > haven't scanned the logs closely enough to see if it's more than one > or not. Probably be fixed by changing the appropriate mode page to > enable auto-bad-block remapping by the drive. > > wcarchive uses 2 5.25" FH (Full Height) Micropolis 3Gb drives, 6 > Segate 5.25" FH drives (somewhere around the 2-3Gb mark) and an > assortment of Seagate Hawks and Quantum Grand Prix's. See > ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/config for more. Oh okay... How are these drives actually mounted? Is it in some sort of enclosure? > freefall seems to run with Quantum drives (1 Empire 2100 and 2 > PDS1800's judging by the dmesg). Hmmm, what about memory wise on both machines? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! Chabot Observatory & Science Center From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 22:36:04 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA11816 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 22:36:04 -0700 Received: from lisa.rur.com (G338.257.InterLink.NET [199.202.234.53]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA11810 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 22:36:02 -0700 Received: (from leo@localhost) by lisa.rur.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA17823; Sun, 13 Aug 1995 01:32:52 GMT Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 01:32:52 +0000 () From: Leo Papandreou To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: -Vince- , gary@palmer.demon.co.uk, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, john@zyqad.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine In-Reply-To: <199508122028.NAA06843@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Aug 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > _The_ 9G drive to have is the Micropolis 1991. Quantum does not > make a drive in this capacity (or didn't as of my last product brief > update 4 weeks ago) and I wouldn't trust 9G of data to Seagates version > of the 9G drive. [About the only Seagate I will even sell right now is > the Hawk series as it has shown to be one of Seagates good drive lines] I have a Hawk and a Barracuda and recommend them both with the following proviso: The Barracuda runs very hot. I have it mounted in a server case containing 3 fans (5 if you count the power supply and CPU.) One of the fans blows directly across it. Still warm to the touch but not worth getting paranoid over. Performance wise it rocks. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 12 22:39:16 1995 Return-Path: hardware-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA11953 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 22:39:16 -0700 Received: from pelican.com (pelican.com [134.24.4.62]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA11947 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 22:39:12 -0700 Received: by pelican.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0shVl7-000K2lC; Sat, 12 Aug 95 22:38 WET DST Message-Id: From: pete@pelican.com (Pete Carah) Subject: Re: Upgrade to my machine To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 22:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508130247.TAA08234@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Aug 12, 95 07:47:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1438 Sender: hardware-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes writes: > > > > > In article you write: > > >> stripe to one disk, though that makes a very slow disk, it makes > > ... > > >> it cheap to work on the code.) > > > > > > Now this would be neat but what will the output of df look like? > > For a possible example, mount (via the net) wuarchive.wustl.edu:/archive > > and do a df.. FreeBSD s one system that gets the output right :-) > > (note that IRIX 4.x doesn't). > > Well, an NFS mount will always look the same no mater what the underlying > disk on the host is: > > wuarchive.wustl.edu:/archive 45624379 44227469 940666 98% /mnt That was my point to whoever asked the question; however, 'df' on some older OS's won't handle a 45gb filesystem right, even via nfs; try any sys5 variant as it comes from USL. (at least through V.4.0.4) Apparently this one is 5 9gb drives striped (note that SGI wouldn't handle a (local) filesystem that big till 5.3; wuarchive is running ultrix). FreeBSD's df handles this right even in 1.1.5, even though 1.1.5 didn't support a filesystem that big. SGI does this right in IRIX 5.2 and 5.3 (V.4 based) but not 4.x. (but didn't support >8gb local filesystems till 5.3) Look for negative used or avail amounts :-) I'd demonstrate but I've replaced all my old V.4 gateway systems with freebsd!!! (2 still on 1.1.5 and 3 now on 2.0.5R "or so") -- Pete