From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 30 06:22:44 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA24015 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 06:22:44 -0800 Received: from dns1.state.mi.us (dns1.state.mi.us [167.240.251.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA24009 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 06:22:41 -0800 From: chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us Received: by dns1.state.mi.us (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA04938; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:25:54 -0500 Message-Id: <9510301425.AA04938@dns1.state.mi.us> Subject: Equipment - How much is too little or too much? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org (bsdisp) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:25:54 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1028 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am planning on setting up a ISP service mainly for the experience of setting up a network. I am contemplating on using FreeBSD because of what I read about its network code being stable. I already have a machine ( 486/33 running DOS/Linux ). How many machines would I need ( optimally ) to become an ISP? I know that the above question has many possible configurations. I am not looking to setup a superfast network. My main concern is about the extra peripherals I have to buy apart for my PC( modems, routers etc). I read somewhere that FreeBSD can be used as the router. Is this true? As I mentioned earlier, I am doing this for the experience of it. I may be buy one low end Pentium for this along with my 486. Please give me some practical advice for a novice on ( setup costs and operational costs )? Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance. SubbaRau -- chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer - I question and speak for myself. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 30 07:04:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA25168 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:04:51 -0800 Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA25162 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:04:45 -0800 Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA05814 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:04:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:04:43 -0500 From: Charles Kenneth Green - PRC Message-Id: <199510301504.KAA05814@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Equipment - How much is too little or too much? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Oct 30, 9:25am, chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us wrote: } Subject: Equipment - How much is too little or too much? } Hello, } } I am planning on setting up a ISP service mainly for the experience } of setting up a network. I am contemplating on using FreeBSD because } of what I read about its network code being stable. I already have a } machine ( 486/33 running DOS/Linux ). How many machines would I need } ( optimally ) to become an ISP? } } I know that the above question has many possible configurations. I am } not looking to setup a superfast network. My main concern is about } the extra peripherals I have to buy apart for my PC( modems, routers } etc). I read somewhere that FreeBSD can be used as the router. Is } this true? } } As I mentioned earlier, I am doing this for the experience of it. I } may be buy one low end Pentium for this along with my 486. Please } give me some practical advice for a novice on ( setup costs and } operational costs )? } } Any help is appreciated. } } Thank you in advance. } } SubbaRau } } -- } chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ } Disclaimer - I question and speak for myself. }-- End of excerpt from chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us I too am interested in what advice experienced ISP maintainers have on this subject. Could you please post your answers to the list? -- Charles Green UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 30 07:11:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA25396 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:11:28 -0800 Received: from rio.atlantic.net (midnight@rio.atlantic.net [204.215.255.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA25391 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:11:23 -0800 Received: (from midnight@localhost) by rio.atlantic.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA16093; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:00:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:00:13 -0500 (EST) From: Richard To: chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us cc: bsdisp Subject: Re: Equipment - How much is too little or too much? In-Reply-To: <9510301425.AA04938@dns1.state.mi.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 30 Oct 1995 chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us wrote: > Hello, > > I am planning on setting up a ISP service mainly for the experience > of setting up a network. I am contemplating on using FreeBSD because > of what I read about its network code being stable. I already have a > machine ( 486/33 running DOS/Linux ). How many machines would I need > ( optimally ) to become an ISP? > > I know that the above question has many possible configurations. I am > not looking to setup a superfast network. My main concern is about > the extra peripherals I have to buy apart for my PC( modems, routers > etc). I read somewhere that FreeBSD can be used as the router. Is > this true? > > As I mentioned earlier, I am doing this for the experience of it. I > may be buy one low end Pentium for this along with my 486. Please > give me some practical advice for a novice on ( setup costs and > operational costs )? > > Any help is appreciated. > > Thank you in advance. > > SubbaRau > > -- > chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Disclaimer - I question and speak for myself. > If you are doing it for the experience, I hope that you wouldn't be charging for service. You will quickly piss off a lot of customers if you don't know what you are doing. Why don't you try and get a job working for one of the area ISP's as an intern? _______________________________________________________________________ Richard Solis (904) 375-2912 Network Engineer (904) 375-2702 Internet Connect Company midnight@atlantic.net From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 30 07:17:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA25599 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:17:16 -0800 Received: from rio.atlantic.net (root@rio.atlantic.net [204.215.255.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA25591 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:17:07 -0800 Received: (from midnight@localhost) by rio.atlantic.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA16093; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:00:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:00:13 -0500 (EST) From: Richard To: chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us cc: bsdisp Subject: Re: Equipment - How much is too little or too much? In-Reply-To: <9510301425.AA04938@dns1.state.mi.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 30 Oct 1995 chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us wrote: > Hello, > > I am planning on setting up a ISP service mainly for the experience > of setting up a network. I am contemplating on using FreeBSD because > of what I read about its network code being stable. I already have a > machine ( 486/33 running DOS/Linux ). How many machines would I need > ( optimally ) to become an ISP? > > I know that the above question has many possible configurations. I am > not looking to setup a superfast network. My main concern is about > the extra peripherals I have to buy apart for my PC( modems, routers > etc). I read somewhere that FreeBSD can be used as the router. Is > this true? > > As I mentioned earlier, I am doing this for the experience of it. I > may be buy one low end Pentium for this along with my 486. Please > give me some practical advice for a novice on ( setup costs and > operational costs )? > > Any help is appreciated. > > Thank you in advance. > > SubbaRau > > -- > chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Disclaimer - I question and speak for myself. > If you are doing it for the experience, I hope that you wouldn't be charging for service. You will quickly piss off a lot of customers if you don't know what you are doing. Why don't you try and get a job working for one of the area ISP's as an intern? _______________________________________________________________________ Richard Solis (904) 375-2912 Network Engineer (904) 375-2702 Internet Connect Company midnight@atlantic.net From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 30 07:58:29 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA27532 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:58:29 -0800 Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA27527 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:58:24 -0800 Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA06294; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:58:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:58:18 -0500 From: Charles Kenneth Green - PRC Message-Id: <199510301558.KAA06294@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> In-Reply-To: Richard "Re: Equipment - How much is too little or too much?" (Oct 30, 11:00am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Richard Subject: Re: Equipment - How much is too little or too much? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Oct 30, 11:00am, Richard wrote: } Subject: Re: Equipment - How much is too little or too much? } } On Mon, 30 Oct 1995 chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us wrote: } } > Hello, } > } > I am planning on setting up a ISP service mainly for the experience } > of setting up a network. I am contemplating on using FreeBSD because } > of what I read about its network code being stable. I already have a } > machine ( 486/33 running DOS/Linux ). How many machines would I need } > ( optimally ) to become an ISP? } > } > I know that the above question has many possible configurations. I am } > not looking to setup a superfast network. My main concern is about } > the extra peripherals I have to buy apart for my PC( modems, routers } > etc). I read somewhere that FreeBSD can be used as the router. Is } > this true? } > } > As I mentioned earlier, I am doing this for the experience of it. I } > may be buy one low end Pentium for this along with my 486. Please } > give me some practical advice for a novice on ( setup costs and } > operational costs )? } > } > Any help is appreciated. } > } > Thank you in advance. } > } > SubbaRau } > } > -- } > chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us } > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ } > Disclaimer - I question and speak for myself. } > } } If you are doing it for the experience, I hope that you wouldn't be } charging for service. You will quickly piss off a lot of customers } if you don't know what you are doing. } } Why don't you try and get a job working for one of the area ISP's as } an intern? } } _______________________________________________________________________ } Richard Solis (904) 375-2912 } Network Engineer (904) 375-2702 } Internet Connect Company midnight@atlantic.net } }-- End of excerpt from Richard I don't know about SubbaRau but I've been working for a few years as a sysadmin. I hope that I have enough experience in not "pissing off customers" ;) What I'm more concerned about is finding out what equipment has been "put through the ringer" by other ISPs. I want to be sure it's gonna work as advertised. -- Charles Green UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 30 12:15:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA13575 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:15:51 -0800 Received: from phoenix.isn.net (root@NS1.ISN.NET [199.45.127.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA13546 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:15:10 -0800 Received: from phoenix.isn.net (turner.isn.net [199.45.127.125]) by phoenix.isn.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA22744 for < freebsd-isp@freebsd.org>; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:14:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199510302014.QAA22744@phoenix.isn.net> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 16:07:38 EST From: ctassell@isn.net (Charles Tassell) Reply-To: ctassell@isn.net (Charles Tassell) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Charles Tassell's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Portmaster/Terminal Server Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone out there used FreeBSD as a PortMaster or Terminal Server (I honestly don't know the difference between the two myself...) I'd like to set something up that can detect a class of user and send them to one of two machines depending on the class. Charles Tassell - ctassell@isn.net http://www.isn.net/~ctassell/index.html Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the least.... From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 30 14:21:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA20532 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:21:55 -0800 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA20479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:21:40 -0800 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30750-4>; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:23:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:23:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Charles Tassell cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Portmaster/Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <199510302014.QAA22744@phoenix.isn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Charles Tassell wrote: > Has anyone out there used FreeBSD as a PortMaster or Terminal Server (I > honestly don't know the difference between the two myself...) I'd like to set > something up that can detect a class of user and send them to one of two > machines depending on the class. Portmaster refers to a particular brand of terminal server made by Livingston. They can handle SLIP, PPP, rlogin, telnet users. They will likely outperform any PC-based terminal server (able to run PPP on all 30 ports at 115,200 baud simultaneously). Tom From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 30 23:55:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA27204 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 23:55:56 -0800 Received: from gateway.net.hk (john@gateway.hk.linkage.net [202.76.7.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA27199 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 23:55:48 -0800 Received: (from john@localhost) by gateway.net.hk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA09036; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:51:37 +0800 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:51:36 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: Charles Kenneth Green - PRC cc: Richard , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Equipment - How much is too little or too much? In-Reply-To: <199510301558.KAA06294@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk we are finding a small specialized ISP can be run with the following 1. P90 w/32Mb of RAM ASUS motherboard 2. 9G of SCCI II disk 946C PCI controller 3. NetCom router card to v .35 leased line. 4. Digiboard 16/EM and 18 supra 28.8 modems (16 digi ports and com1 & com2) 5. BSD/OS 2.01 or FreeBSD 2.1 To expand we will add, in order, another P90 as a news server, more digi extensions (to 64 ports per card) and modems, more RAM, faster pipe out, move the digicoms and modems to a dedicated 486 box, another p90 as www server,etc. jbeukema On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Charles Kenneth Green - PRC wrote: > On Oct 30, 11:00am, Richard wrote: > } Subject: Re: Equipment - How much is too little or too much? > } > } On Mon, 30 Oct 1995 chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us wrote: > } > } > Hello, > } > > } > I am planning on setting up a ISP service mainly for the experience > } > of setting up a network. I am contemplating on using FreeBSD because > } > of what I read about its network code being stable. I already have a > } > machine ( 486/33 running DOS/Linux ). How many machines would I need > } > ( optimally ) to become an ISP? > } > > } > I know that the above question has many possible configurations. I am > } > not looking to setup a superfast network. My main concern is about > } > the extra peripherals I have to buy apart for my PC( modems, routers > } > etc). I read somewhere that FreeBSD can be used as the router. Is > } > this true? > } > > } > As I mentioned earlier, I am doing this for the experience of it. I > } > may be buy one low end Pentium for this along with my 486. Please > } > give me some practical advice for a novice on ( setup costs and > } > operational costs )? > } > > } > Any help is appreciated. > } > > } > Thank you in advance. > } > > } > SubbaRau > } > > } > -- > } > chitturi@dns1.state.mi.us > } > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > } > Disclaimer - I question and speak for myself. > } > > } > } If you are doing it for the experience, I hope that you wouldn't be > } charging for service. You will quickly piss off a lot of customers > } if you don't know what you are doing. > } > } Why don't you try and get a job working for one of the area ISP's as > } an intern? > } > } _______________________________________________________________________ > } Richard Solis (904) 375-2912 > } Network Engineer (904) 375-2702 > } Internet Connect Company midnight@atlantic.net > } > }-- End of excerpt from Richard > > > > I don't know about SubbaRau but I've been working for a few years > as a sysadmin. I hope that I have enough experience in not "pissing off > customers" ;) What I'm more concerned about is finding out what equipment > has been "put through the ringer" by other ISPs. I want to be sure it's > gonna work as advertised. > > -- > Charles Green UN*X System Administration > 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & > Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming >