From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 10 18:04:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA12269 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Dec 1995 18:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from solar.os.com (root@solar.iii.net [199.232.46.97]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12250 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 1995 18:04:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiter (jupiter.os.com [199.232.47.66]) by solar.os.com (8.7/8.7.0) with SMTP id VAA16745 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 1995 21:11:27 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 21:11:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199512110211.VAA16745@solar.os.com> X-Sender: craigs@solar.os.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: craigs@os.com (Craig Shrimpton) Subject: Should a news machine be 100% SCSI? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Greetings, I'm building a news server using FreeBSD 2.1.0 as the OS and INN as the news handler. I will be using SCSI drives for the news spool but I'm wondering if IDE has a place. The motherboard is an ASUS PCI and the IDE controller is pretty fast. Should I put the OS and base directory structure on one IDE drive (854MB) and swap/history on another (854MB) drive or should I go with say, 5 2 GIG SCSI drives? I ask because I'm worried that 5 news/swap/history spindles may be too much for the average SCSI controller. Thanks, Craig =================================================================== Shrimpton Consulting Orbit Systems Craig Shrimpton Email: craigs@os.com 17 Monroe Avenue Phone: (508) 753-8776 Worcester, MA 01602 http://www.os.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 10 22:38:09 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA05320 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Dec 1995 22:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [205.218.122.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA05311 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 1995 22:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA18847; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 00:37:35 -0600 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 00:37:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" X-Sender: winter@sasami To: Craig Shrimpton cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Should a news machine be 100% SCSI? In-Reply-To: <199512110211.VAA16745@solar.os.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Craig Shrimpton wrote: > I'm building a news server using FreeBSD 2.1.0 as the OS and INN as the > news handler. I will be using SCSI drives for the news spool but I'm > wondering if IDE has a place. The motherboard is an ASUS PCI and the IDE > controller is pretty fast. Should I put the OS and base directory > structure on one IDE drive (854MB) and swap/history on another > (854MB) drive or should I go with say, 5 2 GIG SCSI drives? 5 drives sounds good... Get a second SCSI controller. > I ask because I'm worried that 5 news/swap/history spindles may be too > much for the average SCSI controller. But 2 will work fine. :) | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 12 02:28:50 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA29386 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 02:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from phoenix.isn.net (root@NS1.ISN.NET [199.45.127.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA29380 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 02:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from phoenix.isn.net (chch.isn.net [199.45.127.111]) by phoenix.isn.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA15284 for < freebsd-isp@freebsd.org>; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 06:28:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199512121028.GAA15284@phoenix.isn.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 05:10:59 EST From: ctassell@isn.net (Charles Tassell) Reply-To: ctassell@isn.net (Charles Tassell) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Charles Tassell's PMMail v1.1 Subject: SCSI vs EIDE Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm setting up an ISP for a guy who REALLY wants to use EIDE 4 drives (transfer rate around 12 meg/s I think he said) Now considering the fact that all PCI boards come with build in EIDE controllers in them, why is everyone so big on SCSI? I'd personally rather use SCSI myself, just because I have doubts as to whether or not EIDE is really as stable as they say, but I may be outvoted in this. Can anyone out there come up with some convincing arguments why to go SCSI? BTW: The machine is going to be an all-in one server: news, mail, WWW, DNS, terminal server (yey! this wont crash often ) And, we might run BSD instead of FreeBSD. Charles Tassell - ctassell@isn.net http://www.isn.net/~ctassell/index.html Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the least.... From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 12 16:19:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA00317 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from irbs.irbs.com (irbs.com [199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00307 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA20346; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:18:29 -0500 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199512130018.TAA20346@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: SCSI vs EIDE To: ctassell@isn.net Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:18:29 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199512121028.GAA15284@phoenix.isn.net> from "Charles Tassell" at Dec 12, 95 05:10:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Charles Tassell writes: > > I'm setting up an ISP for a guy who REALLY wants to use EIDE 4 drives > (transfer rate around 12 meg/s I think he said) Now considering the fact that > all PCI boards come with build in EIDE controllers in them, why is everyone so > big on SCSI? > > I'd personally rather use SCSI myself, just because I have doubts as to > whether or not EIDE is really as stable as they say, but I may be outvoted in > this. Can anyone out there come up with some convincing arguments why to go > SCSI? BTW: The machine is going to be an all-in one server: news, mail, WWW, > DNS, terminal server (yey! this wont crash often ) And, we might run BSD > instead of FreeBSD. > I am not at all familiar with EIDE. Perhaps it has some of these SCSI features. 1) Overlapped I/O. I/O requests outstanding on all targets at the the same time. 2) BUS mastering DMA. Minimal computes needed to move the bits. 3) 7 disks/tapes per bus. 4) Trivial to add large capacity DAT drives. 5) Automatic bad sector remapping. 6) Tagged queueing. Multiple I/O requests outstanding to each target. 7) Wide SCSI is really fast. 8) Better support for SCSI in most if not all *nixes. If they insist on one machine, make sure it has /plenty/ of memory. John Capo jc@irbs.com IRBS Engineering High performance FreeBSD systems (305) 792-9551 Unix/Internet Consulting - ISP Solutions From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 12 17:02:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA04269 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04242 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA16704; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 20:02:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 20:02:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" X-Sender: jmb@Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM To: Charles Tassell cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI vs EIDE In-Reply-To: <199512121028.GAA15284@phoenix.isn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 12 Dec 1995, Charles Tassell wrote: > I'm setting up an ISP for a guy who REALLY wants to use EIDE 4 drives > (transfer rate around 12 meg/s I think he said) Now considering the fact that > all PCI boards come with build in EIDE controllers in them, why is everyone so > big on SCSI? (e)ide nags the hell out of the cpu. look mommy i got another block! oh, oh, oh, and now i have another. scsi, especially with decent sized on-drive cache and tagged queuing, justs reads the data and then says "ahem, i have your 400 kB here" jmb Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 15 09:35:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA05573 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from twirl.io.org (jfitz@twirl.io.org [198.133.36.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05564 Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jfitz@localhost) by twirl.io.org (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA04988; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:35:42 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:35:42 +0000 (GMT) From: James FitzGibbon To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Running Spry WebServer for BSDi under 2.1.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone had success in running Spry WebServer for BSDi under FreeBSD 2.1.0 ? I get a segmentation fault every time I run any binary in the package (from server to cgi-bin). I have to recompile to produce a kernel trace of the crash, but I was hoping that someone out there might already have solved this one. Thanks. j. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- James FitzGibbon jfitz@io.org IO Volunteer Community Support ... Go ahead, jump. 100,000 lemmings can't be wrong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 15 10:13:03 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA07829 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07816 Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA22420; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:12:25 -0800 To: James FitzGibbon cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Running Spry WebServer for BSDi under 2.1.0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:35:42 GMT." Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:12:25 -0800 Message-ID: <22412.819051145@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Has anyone had success in running Spry WebServer for BSDi under FreeBSD > 2.1.0 ? I get a segmentation fault every time I run any binary in the > package (from server to cgi-bin). Is this a BSD/OS 1.x or BSD/OS 2.0 binary? If it's the latter, then the changes necessary to get it to run were only recently brought into FreeBSD-current. Unfortunately, -current is also fairly unstable right now so I'd have to recommend waiting until we figure out a way of bringing it back into 2.1 (yes, I support bringing this into 2.1 as I actually feel it to be pretty darn important that we be able to run BSD/OS 2.0 binaries in our mainstream releases!). Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Dec 16 08:39:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-isp Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA18803 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 08:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from itchy.mosquito.com (itchy.mosquito.com [206.205.132.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18798 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 08:39:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from boot@localhost) by itchy.mosquito.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA26965; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:40:12 -0500 From: Bruce Bauman Message-Id: <199512161640.LAA26965@itchy.mosquito.com> Subject: SMTP problems To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:40:12 -0500 (EST) Cc: boot@itchy.mosquito.com (Bruce Bauman) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I run a small ISP, and one of my customers is having problems sending mail. He's using one of those all-in-one Internet packages from Quarterdeck. Anyway, in my maillog file, I get messages of the form: Dec 16 10:20:01 itchy sendmail[26735]: collect: unexpected close on connection from dial11.mosquito.com, sender=: Error 0 followed by what looks like a queued 5 byte mail message. None of my customers using Eudora are having this problem. Any suggestions? Is the problem on my end or his? -- Bruce Bauman Mosquito Net