From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Nov 20 18:17:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-platforms Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA08733 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:17:56 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA08728 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:17:53 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA00713 for platforms@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:17:51 -0800 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:17:51 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199511210217.SAA00713@time.cdrom.com> To: platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Recommended by someone who knows this stuff. Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk http://chrp.apple.com/ From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Nov 21 10:02:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-platforms Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA10298 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:02:35 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA09991 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:58:51 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA04257; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:55:44 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511211755.KAA04257@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Recommended by someone who knows this stuff. To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:55:44 -0700 (MST) Cc: platforms@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199511210217.SAA00713@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 20, 95 06:17:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1538 Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > http://chrp.apple.com/ > Or, if you want to order the CHRP standard, like I did, (~$40): IBM at 1-800-PowerPC (1-800-769-3772) in the U.S.A If the 1-800-PowerPC number can not be reached or if multilingual operators are required, use 1-708-296-6767 IBM at (39)-39-600-4455 in Europe IBM at (39)-39-600-4455 in Europe Or if you are anxious (it's ~250 pages), a postscript version is at: ftp://ftp.austin.ibm.com/pub/technology/spec In Europe, it's downloadable from a BBS: +39-39-600-5076 and supports up to 28.8 KBPS The Open PIC Multiprocessor Interrupt Controller Register Interface Specification is available from Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. or Cyrix, Inc. Send a request which includes your postal address to openpic@amd.com. The PowerPC Microprocessor Common Hardware Reference Platform System binding to: IEEE Std 1275-1994 Standard for Boot (Initialization, Configuration) Firmware and PowerPC processor binding to: IEEE Std 1275-1994 Standard for Boot (Initialization, Configuration) Firmware are available via anonymous FTP. This is basically the OpenFirmware spec.: ftp://playground.sun.com/pub/p1275/bindings/postscript/*.ps. Actually, there's a lot more where this came from. I have a source on PPCBug documentation kits for the Motorolla Ultra motherboards for the PReP Firmware (~$200), and the IBM PReP Firmware (ROS), which was ~$120, I don't know what it is now. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Nov 21 12:31:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-platforms Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA19675 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:31:27 -0800 Received: from puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (root@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us [198.82.200.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA19649 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:31:17 -0800 Received: (from briggs@localhost) by puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA23535; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:29:14 -0500 From: Allen Briggs Message-Id: <199511212029.PAA23535@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us> Subject: Re: Recommended by someone who knows this stuff. To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:29:12 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, platforms@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511211755.KAA04257@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 21, 95 10:55:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 416 Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Actually, there's a lot more where this came from. Have you found the CHRP: Hardware Reference or CHRP: I/O Reference? (They're references in the Bibliography of the CHRP spec.) The Macintosh Technology in CHRP looks like a good document, too. -allen -- Allen Briggs - end killing - allen.briggs@bev.net ** MacBSD == NetBSD/mac68k ** Where does all my time go? Guess. From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Nov 21 13:21:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-platforms Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA24253 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:21:05 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA24244 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:21:00 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA04662; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:17:38 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511212117.OAA04662@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Recommended by someone who knows this stuff. To: briggs@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (Allen Briggs) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:17:38 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, platforms@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511212029.PAA23535@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us> from "Allen Briggs" at Nov 21, 95 03:29:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 662 Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Actually, there's a lot more where this came from. > > Have you found the CHRP: Hardware Reference or CHRP: I/O Reference? > (They're references in the Bibliography of the CHRP spec.) The > Macintosh Technology in CHRP looks like a good document, too. Which hardware reference are you referring to? The "I/O" reference is part of the spec itself. That's one of the points. The "Macintosh Technology in CHRP" document looks like it'd be pretty useless until later in 1996 when Apple starts shipping CHRP hardware. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Nov 21 15:54:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-platforms Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA04865 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:54:33 -0800 Received: from chemserv.umd.edu (chemserv.umd.edu [129.2.64.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA04850 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:54:30 -0800 Received: from cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (cappuccino.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.14]) by chemserv.umd.edu (8.7.1/8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09859; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (chuckr@localhost) by cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (8.7/8.6.4) id SAA22421; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:54:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:54:10 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@cappuccino.eng.umd.edu To: Terry Lambert cc: Allen Briggs , terry@lambert.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, platforms@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Recommended by someone who knows this stuff. In-Reply-To: <199511212117.OAA04662@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Actually, there's a lot more where this came from. > > > > Have you found the CHRP: Hardware Reference or CHRP: I/O Reference? > > (They're references in the Bibliography of the CHRP spec.) The > > Macintosh Technology in CHRP looks like a good document, too. > > Which hardware reference are you referring to? > > The "I/O" reference is part of the spec itself. That's one of the > points. > > The "Macintosh Technology in CHRP" document looks like it'd be pretty > useless until later in 1996 when Apple starts shipping CHRP hardware. I'd heard that no NetBSD existed because of the lack of info from Apple, regarding their PowerPC systems. Would this change that situation? > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > ============================================================================ Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu -- I run FreeBSD on n3lxx and Journey2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Dilbert Zone is Dilbert's new WWW home! The area features never-before-seen original sketches of Dilbert, a photo tour of Scott Adams' studio, Dilbert Trivia and memorabilia, high school photos and much more!: From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Nov 21 17:48:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-platforms Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA17990 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:48:13 -0800 Received: from puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (root@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us [198.82.200.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA17985 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:48:03 -0800 Received: (from briggs@localhost) by puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA24222; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:46:59 -0500 From: Allen Briggs Message-Id: <199511220146.UAA24222@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us> Subject: Re: Recommended by someone who knows this stuff. To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:46:56 -0500 (EST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, platforms@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Nov 21, 95 06:54:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1018 Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'd heard that no NetBSD existed because of the lack of info from Apple, > regarding their PowerPC systems. Would this change that situation? This will not change the situation for 1st generation PowerMacs. 2nd generation PowerMacs will benefit somewhat from this info (a good bit of the technology described in "Macintosh Technology in CHRP" is really existing hardware (or certainly close to it). BTW, the piece(s?) that I was looking for [on-line pointers to] are: CHRP Bibliography: [20] PowerPC Microprocessor Common Hardware Reference Platform: Hardware Technical Reference, available from IBM. Mac. Tech. in CHRP Bibliography: Apple/IBM/Motorola PowerPC Microprocessor Common Hardware Reference Platform: I/O Reference, presents architectural specifications for CHRP input and output facilities. It is available from IBM. -allen -- Allen Briggs - end killing - allen.briggs@bev.net ** MacBSD == NetBSD/mac68k ** Where does all my time go? Guess. From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Nov 22 10:13:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-platforms Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA01104 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:13:41 -0800 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01098 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:13:17 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA06406; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:08:32 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199511221808.LAA06406@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Recommended by someone who knows this stuff. To: briggs@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (Allen Briggs) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:08:32 -0700 (MST) Cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu, terry@lambert.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, platforms@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511220146.UAA24222@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us> from "Allen Briggs" at Nov 21, 95 08:46:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1479 Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'd heard that no NetBSD existed because of the lack of info from Apple, > > regarding their PowerPC systems. Would this change that situation? > > This will not change the situation for 1st generation PowerMacs. 2nd > generation PowerMacs will benefit somewhat from this info (a good bit of > the technology described in "Macintosh Technology in CHRP" is really > existing hardware (or certainly close to it). What he said. > BTW, the piece(s?) that I was looking for [on-line pointers to] are: > > CHRP Bibliography: > [20] PowerPC Microprocessor Common Hardware Reference Platform: > Hardware Technical Reference, available from IBM. > > Mac. Tech. in CHRP Bibliography: > Apple/IBM/Motorola > PowerPC Microprocessor Common Hardware Reference > Platform: I/O Reference, presents architectural > specifications for CHRP input and output facilities. > It is available from IBM. I think the first document is restricted deistribution. I saw the reference for the second, but I think you have to buy it from IBM; I bought the CHRP (it hasn't arrived yet) because printing a PS copy seemed to be a waste (overall cost is maybe higher than buying the thing), because I wanted to get on their "CHRP stuff" mailing list if they had one, and because the online HTML version of CHRP sucks out for doing anything with it. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Nov 22 11:02:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-platforms Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA03098 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:48 -0800 Received: from puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (root@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us [198.82.200.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03092 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:02:42 -0800 Received: (from briggs@localhost) by puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA27923; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:00:40 -0500 From: Allen Briggs Message-Id: <199511221900.OAA27923@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us> Subject: Re: Recommended by someone who knows this stuff. To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:00:37 -0500 (EST) Cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu, terry@lambert.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, platforms@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511221808.LAA06406@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Nov 22, 95 11:08:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1352 Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > CHRP Bibliography: > > [20] PowerPC Microprocessor Common Hardware Reference Platform: > > Hardware Technical Reference, available from IBM. > > > > Mac. Tech. in CHRP Bibliography: > > Apple/IBM/Motorola > > PowerPC Microprocessor Common Hardware Reference > > Platform: I/O Reference, presents architectural > > specifications for CHRP input and output facilities. > > It is available from IBM. > > I think the first document is restricted deistribution. I saw the > reference for the second, but I think you have to buy it from IBM Actually, from two sources, the I/O Reference is, as yet, incomplete. > seemed to be a waste (overall cost is maybe higher than buying the > thing), because I wanted to get on their "CHRP stuff" mailing list Getting on the mailing list is a good idea. I think I'll call and ask about these two documents. I'm working on ruining my eyesight by printing these docs 4-up on my printer... ;-) I'm running out of shelf space as it is... > if they had one, and because the online HTML version of CHRP sucks > out for doing anything with it. For anything but perusal, I agree. For real work, not much can beat docs on paper... -allen -- Allen Briggs - end killing - allen.briggs@bev.net ** MacBSD == NetBSD/mac68k ** Where does all my time go? Guess. From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Nov 23 02:02:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-platforms Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id CAA29288 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 02:02:41 -0800 Received: from agathe.osinet.fr (osinet.dialup.iway.fr [194.98.4.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA29275 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 02:02:36 -0800 Received: (from ericf@localhost) by agathe.osinet.fr (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA01210; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:11:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:11:05 +0100 (MET) From: Eric Feillant To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD for SPARC ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi all Did someone get kernel binaries for SParc and or VAX ? Thanx for answers, Eric. ~ Eric Feillant O.S.I ericf@osinet.fr 13 rue Francois Muret de Pagnac Tel: (33)98101725 Le Brittany - Bat B Fax: (33)98101726 29000 QUIMPER Operator: 399172 FRANCE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Nov 23 07:59:36 1995 Return-Path: owner-platforms Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA14021 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 07:59:36 -0800 Received: from bacchus.eng.umd.edu (bacchus.eng.umd.edu [129.2.94.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA14016 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 07:59:32 -0800 Received: from cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (cappuccino.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.14]) by bacchus.eng.umd.edu (8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25041; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (chuckr@localhost) by cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (8.7.2/8.6.4) id KAA00931; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:59:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:59:26 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@cappuccino.eng.umd.edu To: Eric Feillant cc: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for SPARC ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Nov 1995, Eric Feillant wrote: > > Hi all > > Did someone get kernel binaries for SParc and or VAX ? > > Thanx for answers, > Eric. There isn't such (yet) for FreeBSD, which is still mainly pointed towards the intel X86 line. NetBSD folks are the ones that specialize in multi-platform suppport. I don't know the list name, but their majordomo runs from NetBSD.org. > > ~ > Eric Feillant O.S.I > ericf@osinet.fr 13 rue Francois Muret de Pagnac > Tel: (33)98101725 Le Brittany - Bat B > Fax: (33)98101726 29000 QUIMPER > Operator: 399172 FRANCE > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ============================================================================ Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu -- I run FreeBSD on n3lxx and Journey2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Dilbert Zone is Dilbert's new WWW home! The area features never-before-seen original sketches of Dilbert, a photo tour of Scott Adams' studio, Dilbert Trivia and memorabilia, high school photos and much more!: