From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 02:02:29 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA18127 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 02:02:29 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA18106 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 02:02:21 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA19396; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 17:02:27 +0800 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 17:02:26 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-QUESTIONS-L Subject: Re: Recommendations for SCSI Controllers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 20 Apr 1995, David Kelly wrote: > > Did you let the BT-946C reformat the drive(s)? Once Upon A Time Adaptec > (1540 non-A, B, or C) did something special while formatting the drive. > Mine didn't like any HD attached that had not been formated with EZSCSI. No problems moving drives between two machines here, one with an Adaptec 1542 and another with an NCR810-based controller. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 03:49:39 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA21470 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 03:49:39 -0700 Received: from tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (cp_nairn@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au [131.217.10.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA21458 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 03:49:35 -0700 Received: (from cp_nairn@localhost) by tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA08037; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 20:49:22 +1000 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 20:49:22 +1000 (EST) From: Carey Nairn To: John Utz cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: tkined-1.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 22 Apr 1995, John Utz wrote: > Hi Cary; > > Bad News, your hosed. > > ld.so is broken on 322, i have it and i have bagged tying to use anything > that is not compiled statically. It just doesnt work. > > nate williams can give u the particulars, he is responsible for > it, and he was the one who responed when i posted a panicy message about > how my homework wouldn't compile on 322... > Do you know if the problem with ld.so has been fixed in the latest SNAP ? BTW thanks to all who replied... I now have BLT-1.7 from ftp.syd.dit.csiro.au It won't compile the shared library but I assume that is because of the ld.so problem. I would really like to get this sorted out. thanks again ========================================================================= Carey Nairn ! email : Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au Networks and Communications ! phone : (002) 20 7419 Information Technology Services ! fax : (002) 20 7898 University of Tasmania. ! ========================================================================= From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 11:00:01 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA03269 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:00:01 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03257 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:00:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA17451 for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:01:02 -0400 Received: from freefall.cdrom.com (freefall.cdrom.com [192.216.222.4]) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA12246 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 22:49:06 -0400 Received: from metronet.lib.mi.us (metronet.lib.mi.us [198.111.64.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA11082 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 19:47:58 -0700 Received: by metronet.lib.mi.us (8.6.12/2.2) id WAA06259; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 22:46:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199504230246.WAA06259@metronet.lib.mi.us> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 22:46:33 -0400 To: www@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.3 BETA X-Personal_name: Stephen L. Cito From: al256@detroit.freenet.org Subject: Seeking brief beginning advice for how to get started with FreeBSD Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have been trying to find out how to contact a group called Free Software Foundation, because I have been wanting to get started with Unix on my home computer. I program business applications for a living and am considered one of the more technically capable people in my dept. at work, but don't really know how to get started with "straying away" from the ol' DOS and Windows and adding the ability to run an entirely new OS to my (486DX266 Intel, 8Meg, VLB/IDE/420 Meg) system. Can you steer me to a good book that would give me an idea how to get started if I want to add something like FreeBSD to my system? Thank you for your time in reading this! From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 11:48:54 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA04408 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:48:54 -0700 Received: from fourthgen.winternet.com (fourthgen.winternet.com [199.199.125.55]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA04402 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:48:52 -0700 Received: (from tomg@localhost) by fourthgen.winternet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA09696 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:48:56 -0500 From: Tom Greenwalt Message-Id: <199504231848.NAA09696@fourthgen.winternet.com> Subject: NFS and Inode counts To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:48:45 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 166 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is 'df -i' supposed to return 0 for inodes counts of nfs mounted partitions? -- Tom Greenwalt ******* If I didn't stay up all night, I'd miss the sunrise. ******* From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 13:10:44 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA05849 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:10:44 -0700 Received: from vespucci.iquest.com (vespucci.iquest.com [199.170.120.42]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA05843 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:10:41 -0700 Received: from dkelly.iquest.com (n4hhe.iquest.com [204.177.193.231]) by vespucci.iquest.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA27900; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 15:08:17 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 95 15:08:58 CDT From: "David Kelly" Subject: Re: tkined-1.2 To: "Carey Nairn" , "John Utz" Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: VersaTerm Link v1.1.5 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> nate williams can give u the particulars, he is responsible for >> it, and he was the one who responed when i posted a panicy message about >> how my homework wouldn't compile on 322... >> > >Do you know if the problem with ld.so has been fixed in the latest SNAP ? > >BTW thanks to all who replied... I now have BLT-1.7 from >ftp.syd.dit.csiro.au > >It won't compile the shared library but I assume that is because of the >ld.so problem. I would really like to get this sorted out. Sounds like a problem I had with 322 where a small program would bomb with signal 11 (segmentation violation). Found I could copy the program before executing it, and all was fine. Or I could leave the symbols in the executable. Once the file was stripped, signal 11 again. Went so far as to use "send-pr" to report it. 950412 completely fixed the problem, as far as I can tell. -- David Kelly N4HHE, n4hhe@amsat.org, dkelly@iquest.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 13:15:56 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA05992 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:15:56 -0700 Received: from isl.cf.ac.uk (isl-gate.elsy.cf.ac.uk [131.251.22.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA05985 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:15:52 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by isl.cf.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA01989 for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:17:00 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199504232017.VAA01989@isl.cf.ac.uk> Subject: Newsgroup gateway. To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:17:00 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 769 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The idea of creating a gateway between this list and the newsgroups has been floated (by me) to increase our profile in usenet. This discussion has been taking place on hackers since that's where I originally raised the issue but since this is the list we'd gateway the decision needs to be made here. I'm not going to run a vote or a discussion, basically if a lot of people here complain about the idea in the next few days I'll forget about it. If a lot of people think it's a good idea I'll look into implementing it. -- Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, URL: http://isl.cf.ac.uk/~paul/ Phone: +44 1222 874000 x6646 (work), +44 1222 457651 (home) Dept. Mechanical Engineering, University of Wales, College Cardiff. From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 14:07:42 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA07272 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:07:42 -0700 Received: from RosedeLima.Vir.com (RosedeLima.Vir.com [199.84.154.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA07207 ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:04:44 -0700 Received: from ipdyne28.vir.com by Vir.com (8.6.10/2.0) id QAA28237; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:01:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:01:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199504232101.QAA28237@Vir.com> X-Sender: procecorjb@vir.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@FreeBSD.org From: procecorjb@Vir.com (Robert Burns) Subject: Support for Digiboards Cc: info@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How can I get my digiboard product (PC/Xe) to work with freebsd 2.0. I was told that someone was working it but I hav'nt had any luck getting answers. I know that BSDI supports some digiboards. Is there something of value in that? Someone out there pleeeeeeeeease help!!!!!!!!! Robert Burns procecorjb@vir.com mtl,ca From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 15:07:02 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA10140 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 15:07:02 -0700 Received: from easynet.com (easyr.easynet.net [198.67.38.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA10111 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 15:06:53 -0700 Received: by easynet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0s39nq-000rc2C; Sun, 23 Apr 95 15:06 WET DST Message-Id: From: brian@mediacity.com (Brian Litzinger) Subject: NCR 810 based card won't boot To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 15:06:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 719 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been trying to replace an Adaptec 1542B in my P5-90 PCI system with either a BT946C or NCR810 PCI controller. Trying to install SNAP 950412, the NCR810 controller is recognized and the whole install goes without a hitch. However, when it comes time to do the boot from the hard drive, I either get: 1) hangs, if using FDISK /mbr 2) BootManager just repeats its F? each time I press a key. The drive, Fujitsu M2664ESA, was detected by the FreeBSD install as 1 head, 63 sectors, and ~300000 or so cylinders. I changed the geometry tp 32 heads, 64 sectors and the appropriate number of cylinders. Lastly, I kept the entire FreeBSD below cylinder 1024. Any ideas? Thanks, Brian Litzinger brian@easynet.com From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 16:34:36 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA13510 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:34:36 -0700 Received: from tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (cp_nairn@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au [131.217.10.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA13504 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:34:34 -0700 Received: (from cp_nairn@localhost) by tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA14900; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:34:10 +1000 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:34:09 +1000 (EST) From: Carey Nairn To: David Kelly cc: John Utz , questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: tkined-1.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk thanks... I'll give 950412 a go ========================================================================= Carey Nairn ! email : Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au Networks and Communications ! phone : (002) 20 7419 Information Technology Services ! fax : (002) 20 7898 University of Tasmania. ! ========================================================================= From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 16:50:40 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA13711 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:50:40 -0700 Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA13705 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:50:38 -0700 Received: from hpautow.aus.hp.com by hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA143261034; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:50:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199504232350.AA143261034@hp.com> Received: by hpautow.aus.hp.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02192; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:50:29 +1000 From: M C Wong Subject: Dennis E. Baasch (Emerging Technologies Inc) To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 9:50:29 EST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14.c] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Dennis, I received you fax info on high speed serial adapters for FreeBSD but I fogot to save your email. Can you please kindly to reply to me ? While I am here, I am going to ask you the following question : Can your company high speed serial cards used for dial-up modem, ie not private leased line ? Basically, I will like to (if possible) replace the existing V.34 modems with a matching high-speed modems or adapters capable of > 28.8K performance, and your company's serial cards look just right, except it is mentioned there for leased line environment only. Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 18:02:19 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA15359 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:02:19 -0700 Received: from friendly.net5b.io.org (friendly.net5b.io.org [199.166.191.20]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA15351 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:02:11 -0700 Received: (from swedguy@localhost) by friendly.net5b.io.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA00198; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:01:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:01:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Erickson To: Brian Litzinger cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: NCR 810 based card won't boot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 23 Apr 1995, Brian Litzinger wrote: > > I've been trying to replace an Adaptec 1542B in my P5-90 PCI system > with either a BT946C or NCR810 PCI controller. > > Trying to install SNAP 950412, the NCR810 controller is recognized > and the whole install goes without a hitch. > > However, when it comes time to do the boot from the hard drive, I either > get: > > 1) hangs, if using FDISK /mbr > I dont know that one. > 2) BootManager just repeats its F? each time I press a key. > Well, you have to turn off your Translator in CMOS chip. > The drive, Fujitsu M2664ESA, was detected by the FreeBSD install as > 1 head, 63 sectors, and ~300000 or so cylinders. > > I changed the geometry tp 32 heads, 64 sectors and the appropriate number > of cylinders. > DO not change anything to disk geometry. IT must be the same as the hard drive's specifications. Don't worry about the rest. > Lastly, I kept the entire FreeBSD below cylinder 1024. Any ideas? > Yes, your "/" must be mounted within 1024 cylinders. And the rest like /usr can go more than 1024 cylinders. It seems a lot of people problems with these situations. I had a problem too. Steven Erickson From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 18:16:50 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA15780 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:16:50 -0700 Received: from calweb.calweb.com (calweb.calweb.com [165.90.138.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA15772 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:16:48 -0700 Received: from web1 by calweb.calweb.com via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id SAA10650; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:18:57 -0700 Received: (rdugaue@localhost) by web1 (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA01507; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:18:57 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:18:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Du Gaue To: questions@FreeBSD.org cc: Robert Du Gaue Subject: Unable to get SNAP 0412 running Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After installing the entire dist from wuarchive of the SNAP 0412 archive, then recompiling the kernel and rebooting, the system basically hangs and never comes up. It appears to be hanging at the point where the initial hardware configs are completed, but never dims the display and goes into multimode. The last messages displayed before the hang are: Probing for devices on the pci0 bus: configuration mode 2 allows 16 devices. chip0 rev 17 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 3 on pci0:2 That's all she wrote. From there, the system is basically locked and requires a reset via the button. If I go back to the old kernel, stuff comes back up, but the /etc stuff is for the new version and although it works I'm not sure if it's safe! I've saved the old /etc so i can go back to that just incase. First, any ideas why it's hanging? The hardware is P-90 Intel Plato board, no PCI slots are in use, 1542 SCSI controller and a 3com509 NIC. Second, are there any problems running new bins, but using an pre-SNAP kernel? From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 21:31:38 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA21400 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:31:38 -0700 Received: from dtr.com (dtr.rain.com [204.119.8.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA21390 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:31:31 -0700 From: bmk@dtr.com Received: (from bmk@localhost) by dtr.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA03388; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:24:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199504240424.VAA03388@dtr.com> Subject: Re: Recommendations for SCSI Controllers To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Apr 23, 95 05:02:26 pm Reply-To: bmk@dtr.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 464 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Thu, 20 Apr 1995, David Kelly wrote: > > > > Did you let the BT-946C reformat the drive(s)? Once Upon A Time Adaptec > > (1540 non-A, B, or C) did something special while formatting the drive. > > Mine didn't like any HD attached that had not been formated with EZSCSI. > No problems moving drives between two machines here, one with an > Adaptec 1542 and another with an NCR810-based controller. Nor here with an Adaptec 1542B and Buslogic KT-445S. From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 21:58:53 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA22026 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:58:53 -0700 Received: from w8hd.w8hd.org (w8hd.w8hd.org [198.252.159.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA22020 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:58:51 -0700 Received: (from kimc@localhost) by w8hd.w8hd.org (8.6.11/w8hd) id AAA01191; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 00:58:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 00:58:15 -0400 (EDT) From: kim culhan To: Robert Du Gaue cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, Robert Du Gaue Subject: Re: Unable to get SNAP 0412 running In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 23 Apr 1995, Robert Du Gaue wrote: > That's all she wrote. From there, the system is basically locked and > requires a reset via the button. > > If I go back to the old kernel, stuff comes back up, but the /etc stuff is > for the new version and although it works I'm not sure if it's safe! > I've saved the old /etc so i can go back to that just incase. You may need to configure the [new to us] /etc/sysconfig file. regards -- kimc@w8hd.org From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Apr 23 23:30:36 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA23885 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 23:30:36 -0700 Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA23879 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 23:30:32 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id IAA01429; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 08:36:24 -0600 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 08:36:24 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199504231436.IAA01429@trout.sri.MT.net> To: Carey Nairn Cc: John Utz , questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: tkined-1.2 In-Reply-To: References: Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Carey Nairn writes: > > Hi Cary; > > > > Bad News, your hosed. > > > > ld.so is broken on 322, i have it and i have bagged tying to use anything > > that is not compiled statically. It just doesnt work. > > > > nate williams can give u the particulars, he is responsible for > > it, and he was the one who responed when i posted a panicy message about > > how my homework wouldn't compile on 322... > > > > Do you know if the problem with ld.so has been fixed in the latest SNAP ? Yes they have. > It won't compile the shared library but I assume that is because of the > ld.so problem. I would really like to get this sorted out. Shared C++/Fortran and other problems have been fixed in the latest SNAP. Nate From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 01:49:24 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA27275 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 01:49:24 -0700 Received: from silicon.csci.csusb.edu (silicon.csci.csusb.edu [139.182.38.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA27268 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 01:49:21 -0700 Received: from orion.csci.csusb.edu by silicon.csci.csusb.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA29423; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 01:54:30 +0800 Received: by orion.csci.csusb.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA18694; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 01:49:02 +0800 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 01:49:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Neal Westfall To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: multi-volume with ft? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 706 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The man page mentions that multiple volumes are possible using the ft filter for qic-80 floppy tape drives. But it doesn't say what the proper way of saving muliple volumes is, or restoring a particular volume. I have the latest snapshot dumped to a tape, but would also like to backup my /home partition, without erasing the first volume on the tape if possible. Any help appreciated! # $Id: dot.signature,v 1.1 1995/02/11 02:28:11 nwestfal Exp $ Neal Westfall nwestfal@csci.csusb.edu FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Fri Feb 10 23:31:36 1995 root@darkside.csci.csusb.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/DARKSIDE CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) Id = 0x435 Origin = "GenuineIntel" From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 05:21:13 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA03394 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:21:13 -0700 Received: from kimiyo.ed.Hawaii.Edu (stevei@kimiyo.ed.Hawaii.Edu [128.171.124.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA03388 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:21:05 -0700 Received: by kimiyo.ed.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13078; Mon, 24 Apr 95 02:29:20 HST From: stevei@kimiyo.ed.Hawaii.Edu (Steven Ikeda) Message-Id: <9504241229.AA13078@kimiyo.ed.Hawaii.Edu> Subject: Loading FreeBSD To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 02:29:20 -1000 (HST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 892 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I seem to be having a number of problems with FreeBSD. Right now, I can't seem to connect into my system with FreeBSD (I telnet in then it just loggs me right out immediatley then tells me shell /bin/csh is permission denied whn it is r-w all the way throug) and when i do a su - account, i can't get in, it says directory not found when it is there.) Also, it tells me ld.so can't be found with the man command when it is in the /lib /usr/lib and /usr/libexec directory. Finally, I can't seem to do a netboot from my computer. It still keeps giving me error messages like can't right to socket when it tries to connect to the ftp site i choose upon installation (an dhits happened many times). I'd love to isntall it over the net, but can't seem to. On paper, FreeBSD looks great, but I'm getting a little leary about it now, Please help me someone. Thanks. Steve From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 08:05:55 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA07230 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:05:55 -0700 Received: from fourthgen.winternet.com (fourthgen.winternet.com [199.199.125.55]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA07224 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:05:51 -0700 Received: (from tomg@localhost) by fourthgen.winternet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA04087 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:04:43 -0500 From: Tom Greenwalt Message-Id: <199504241504.KAA04087@fourthgen.winternet.com> Subject: X11 and 2.0.950412-SNAP To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:04:32 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 505 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I got the newest X11 binaries and installed them with this snap. Its great since it now recognizes my SVGA card and can actually have a 256 1024x768 screen. However when I exit X11 and return to text mode, the screen displays all garbage. Everything works, just completely unreadable. What have I missed that doesn't reset the video back to text mode properly. I have a Hercules Stingray with 1meg of RAM. Thanks. -- Tom Greenwalt ******* If I didn't stay up all night, I'd miss the sunrise. ******* From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 08:20:54 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA07750 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:20:54 -0700 Received: from cfn.cs.dal.ca (root@cfn.cs.dal.ca [129.173.24.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA07744 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:20:53 -0700 Received: by cfn.cs.dal.ca id <14880>; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:21:03 -0300 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:20:57 -0300 From: Kevin S Lennox Subject: Install Question To: questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello From Nova Scotia, I have been trying off and on for about a week to install FreeBSD from the Walnut Creek CD I purchased. It is FreeBSD 2.0 on the January 95 disk (labeled January 94! :)) I guess the cd rom I have is not supported in this version, it is a sound blaster card (non scsi) and cd-rom drive. Thats fine, but I tryed to create floppys but was not able to. My question is that I could not find a FAQ or something that showed me how to correctly create floppys for installation, is there one? I did try to copy the files in the bindist sub dir to floppys but could still not get it to install. Thank you in advance Kevin S Lennox af553@cfn.cs.dal.ca From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 08:24:00 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA07797 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:24:00 -0700 Received: from cs20.cs.auckland.ac.nz (cs20.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA07791 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:23:58 -0700 Received: from cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz by cs20.cs.auckland.ac.nz (8.6.12/4.7) id DAA09805; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 03:23:48 +1200 Received: by cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz (8.6.12/4.7) id DAA11201; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 03:23:47 +1200 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 03:23:47 +1200 From: yjun02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Yong Duk Jung) Message-Id: <199504241523.DAA11201@cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: installation Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! I recently bought FreeBSD from Wallnut Creek CDROM. And I tried to install XFree86 on my system. I did almost 30 times but I failed Error message is "Could not cd into /mnt/Xfree86-3.1. My system has no SCSI CDROM Drive so I copied all files in the Xfree86_ directory into my DOS hard drive. Strange thing is I could load the BINDIST using the same method. Then why couldn't I load the Xfree86_ files through the exactly same way ? Please give me some hint. Many thanks Yong Duk Jung from New Zealnad From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 08:25:00 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA07827 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:25:00 -0700 Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA07815 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:24:55 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id JAA04620; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:29:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:29:11 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199504241529.JAA04620@trout.sri.MT.net> In-Reply-To: stevei@kimiyo.ed.Hawaii.Edu (Steven Ikeda) "Loading FreeBSD" (Apr 24, 2:29am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: stevei@kimiyo.ed.Hawaii.Edu (Steven Ikeda), questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Loading FreeBSD Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Right now, I can't seem to connect into my system with FreeBSD > (I telnet in then it just loggs me right out immediatley then tells > me shell /bin/csh is permission denied whn it is r-w all the way throug) ^^^ Are you kidding when you say the permissions are r-w? If so, then you have big problems, since you can't 'execute/run' the programs. You need to have r-x. > and when i do a su - account, i can't get in, it says directory not found > when it is there.) I suspect your / directory has the wrong permissions. As root, make sure the directory as permissions 775 (rwxrwxr-x). Something (a errant package you installed) messed up the permission which causes all sorts of weird errors. Nate From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 08:32:51 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA07985 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:32:51 -0700 Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA07979 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:32:48 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id JAA04705; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:37:02 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:37:02 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199504241537.JAA04705@trout.sri.MT.net> In-Reply-To: yjun02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Yong Duk Jung) "installation" (Apr 25, 3:23am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: yjun02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Yong Duk Jung), questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: installation Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > And I tried to install XFree86 on my system. I did almost 30 times but > I failed Error message is "Could not cd into /mnt/Xfree86-3.1. > My system has no SCSI CDROM Drive so I copied all files in the > Xfree86_ directory into my DOS hard drive. Strange thing is I could > load the BINDIST using the same method. > > Then why couldn't I load the Xfree86_ files through the exactly same way ? Because the XFree86 files dont' conform to the 8.3 DOS filename limitations. Some would argue that they should, or else the FreeBSD install script should be able to handle the DOS names. > Please give me some hint. The easiest solution now is to copy them to your BSD partition and rename to their original (long) filenames and install from there. Nate From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 08:56:10 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA08361 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:56:10 -0700 Received: from mg1.cdsnet.net (osyjm@mg1.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA08355 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:56:08 -0700 Received: (from osyjm@localhost) by mg1.cdsnet.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id IAA04238; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:59:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:59:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: Steven Ikeda cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Loading FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <9504241229.AA13078@kimiyo.ed.Hawaii.Edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, that's the problem. You need x permissions on it, you only have rw. csh should be like mode 755 (rwxr-xr-x). On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Steven Ikeda wrote: > Hi, > > I seem to be having a number of problems with FreeBSD. > > Right now, I can't seem to connect into my system with FreeBSD > (I telnet in then it just loggs me right out immediatley then tells > me shell /bin/csh is permission denied whn it is r-w all the way throug) > and when i do a su - account, i can't get in, it says directory not found > when it is there.) > > Also, it tells me ld.so can't be found with the man command when it > is in the /lib /usr/lib and /usr/libexec directory. > > Finally, I can't seem to do a netboot from my computer. It still > keeps giving me error messages like can't right to socket when it tries to > connect to the ftp site i choose upon installation (an dhits happened many times). I'd love to isntall it over the net, but can't seem to. > > On paper, FreeBSD looks great, but I'm getting a little leary about it > now, Please help me someone. Thanks. > > Steve > > > From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 12:30:35 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA14181 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:30:35 -0700 Received: from ns.obu.edu (root@ns.obu.edu [150.208.250.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA14175 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:30:33 -0700 Received: from mailgate.obu.edu (mailgate.obu.edu [150.208.250.2]) by ns.obu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA04239 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 14:25:38 -0500 Received: From ALPHA/WORKQUEUE by mailgate.obu.edu via Charon-4.0A-VROOM with IPX id 100.950424142854.416; 24 Apr 95 14:30:29 +0100 Message-ID: From: "John Selph" Organization: Ouachita Baptist Univ To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 14:28:52 CST Subject: DOS emulator Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a DOS emulator for FreeBSD? (Not Windows) Either commercial or non-commercial ok. *** John Selph, Network Manager selphj@alpha.obu.edu *** *** Ouachita Baptist University, OBU box 3794 *** *** 410 Ouachita Street office phone: (501)245-5567 *** *** Arkadelphia, AR 71998 OBU fax: (501)245-5500 *** From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 13:32:04 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA15570 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:32:04 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA15564 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:31:55 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <194>; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:45:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:45:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: BT946C strangeness Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've just got a BT946C, and decided to try it out with the latest SNAP. The weird part is that is detects it as a EISA device! It boots up and runs fine, but disk performance is very poor (about 1.5meg/s on writes). Here's what I get during boot: bt0: Bt946C/ 0-PCI/EISA/VLB(32bit) bus bt0: reading board settings, busmastering, int=11 bt0: version 4.25J, async only, parity, 32 mbxs, 32 ccbs bt0: targ 0 async bt0: targ 1 async bt0: targ 2 async bt0: Enabling Round robin scheme bt0 at 0xe800 irq 11 on eisa slot 14 bt0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (bt0:0:0): "DEC DSP3210S X442" is a type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(bt0:0:0): Direct-Access 2049MB (4197520 512 byte sectors) (bt0:1:0): "DEC DSP3210S X442" is a type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(bt0:1:0): Direct-Access 2049MB (4197520 512 byte sectors) (bt0:2:0): "DEC DSP3210S X442" is a type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd2(bt0:2:0): Direct-Access 2049MB (4197520 512 byte sectors) From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 15:46:37 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA21057 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:46:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA21050 ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:46:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Paul, Chris bd 6-6487" cc: questions In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 24 Apr 95 12:19:00 PDT." <2F9BFE28@mailman> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:46:35 -0700 Message-ID: <21049.798763595@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I was very happy when my 2.0-950412-SNAP boot disk saw my SCSI bus and I > could Fdisk and label my partitions. However, when I get to the bin > installation procedure and ftp the files over to /usr/tmp, the checksum > routine fails. I don't think the checksums are the problem, as it responds > too quickly without doing any work and I should have had problems unzipping > them if the files were corrupt. Please mail questions like this to (not surprisingly) questions@FreeBSD.org. -current is for people who are already running -current and need to stay up to date on issues having to do with it. You're not quite in that category! :-) What happens when you try to fetch the bindist over manually, running to do_cksum.sh script yourself? Hit ESC twice to get a shell and try this by hand. Jordan From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 16:47:44 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27311 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:47:44 -0700 Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA27296 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:47:40 -0700 Received: from ipxpress.aws.waii.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQymxj02498; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:47:38 -0400 Received: by ipxpress.aws.waii.com id AA02118 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for questions@freebsd.org); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:47:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:47:36 -0500 From: Don Dunbar Message-Id: <199504242347.AA02118@ipxpress.aws.waii.com> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: SLIP Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have yet to see a good ppp/slip faq. The one in freebsd.faqs.tar.gz or whatever the hell that is is a piece of crap for me: it is too personal, it doesn't tell me howo what I wanna do. I want to set up my 28800 modem so I can use the irc, etc clients on my local system on the atmote system's connection. The remote system is a cisco server, if it makes a difference. Help me! Guide me step by step through this! Please! From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 17:02:18 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA29052 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:02:18 -0700 Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA29040 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:02:11 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id SAA06435; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:05:04 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:05:04 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199504250005.SAA06435@trout.sri.MT.net> In-Reply-To: Don Dunbar "SLIP" (Apr 24, 6:47pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Don Dunbar , questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SLIP Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have yet to see a good ppp/slip faq. The one in freebsd.faqs.tar.gz or > whatever the hell that is is a piece of crap for me. First of all, hint #1. When asking for help, it is *NEVER* a good idea to insult the people you are asking for help. Calling something they have spent a lot of time and effort in creating for you a 'piece of crap' doesn't make them want to help you, quite the opposite. > it is too personal, it doesn't tell me howo what I wanna do. Nobody can tell you 'howo what I wanna do'. Hint #2. When asking for help, proof-read what you sent to make sure it makes sense. > I want to set up my 28800 modem so I can use the irc, etc clients on my > local system on the atmote system's connection. ^^^^^^^^ See hint #2. You need to be a bit more specific about what you want. Want you are asking for and what you are providing is like telling someone "I want my car to go faster, and the instructions for the Turbo addition to my engine sucks. BTW, my car is a Nissan if that helps." Nate From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 17:43:43 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA01679 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:43:43 -0700 Received: from friendly.net5b.io.org (friendly.net5b.io.org [199.166.191.20]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA01670 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:43:39 -0700 Received: (from swedguy@localhost) by friendly.net5b.io.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA00440; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 20:41:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 20:41:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Erickson To: John Selph cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DOS emulator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, John Selph wrote: > > Is there a DOS emulator for FreeBSD? (Not Windows) Either > commercial or non-commercial ok. > Yes they do but I wouldn't take it. I rather use DOS/FreeBSD paritions. Steven, Swedguy@FRiendly.net5b.io.org From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 18:20:50 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03693 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:20:50 -0700 Received: from irbs.com (irbs.com [199.182.75.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03672 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:20:43 -0700 Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA09957 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:20:24 -0400 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199504250120.VAA09957@irbs.com> Subject: Re: DOS emulator To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:20:24 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Steven Erickson" at Apr 24, 95 08:41:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 685 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steven Erickson writes: > > On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, John Selph wrote: > > > > Is there a DOS emulator for FreeBSD? (Not Windows) Either > > commercial or non-commercial ok. > > > > Yes they do but I wouldn't take it. I rather use DOS/FreeBSD paritions. > If you have a machine with a DOS partiton, that is a viable alternative. OTOH, if you just have a *nix box and you need DOS for something, like running the self extracting .EXE format that is so popular with DOS, the very same format the IRS chose for storing tax forms on their web site, then pcemu may just work fine. Took me 5 minutes to build it, uncompress my *&@#!$ tax form and get on with my life. -- John Capo From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 19:21:46 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA06459 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:21:46 -0700 Received: from friendly.net5b.io.org (friendly.net5b.io.org [199.166.191.20]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA06453 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:21:36 -0700 Received: (from swedguy@localhost) by friendly.net5b.io.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA00540; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:21:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:21:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Erickson To: Don Dunbar cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SLIP In-Reply-To: <199504242347.AA02118@ipxpress.aws.waii.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Don Dunbar wrote: > > I have yet to see a good ppp/slip faq. The one in freebsd.faqs.tar.gz or > whatever the hell that is is a piece of crap for me: it is too personal, > it doesn't tell me howo what I wanna do. > > I want to set up my 28800 modem so I can use the irc, etc clients on my > local system on the atmote system's connection. > > The remote system is a cisco server, if it makes a difference. Help me! > Guide me step by step through this! Please! go to /stand/scripts do: sh bininst.sh then skip the installation and go to slip connection setup. go through the setup. EASY! Steven. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 21:35:58 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA12671 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:35:58 -0700 Received: from transarc.com (transarc.com [192.54.226.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA12663 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:35:56 -0700 Received: by transarc.com (5.54/3.15) id for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Apr 95 00:35:53 EDT Received: via switchmail; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix3 via qmail ID ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix3 via qmail ID ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.12.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix3.sun4.40 via MS.5.6.unix3.sun4_40; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:35:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat_Barron@transarc.com To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Mislabeled FreeBSD 2.0 CD's Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just came back from Trenton Computer Fair, where someone had a table set up with CD-ROMs and was selling (among other things) FreeBSD 2.0 CDs, cheap (like, $16.00). But these were labelled all over the cover art and CD label with a release date of "January 1994". Shouldn't this say "January *1995*"? They also had the Walnut Creek logo on the label. Anyone know what gives? I picked one up, and haven't looked at any of the files or anything yet, but I'm not real sure if I should trust the contents or not.... --Pat. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 22:20:00 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA13654 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:20:00 -0700 Received: from zaphod (zaphod.ttu.ee [193.40.254.227]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA13646 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:19:56 -0700 Received: from juku.li.ttu.ee by zaphod (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16911; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:20:28 +0300 Received: by juku.li.ttu.ee (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23898; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:18:59 +0300 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:18:59 +0300 From: tanel@juku.li.ttu.ee (Tanel Kuusk) Message-Id: <9504250518.AA23898@juku.li.ttu.ee> To: questions@FreeBSD.org, SELPHJ@alpha.obu.edu Subject: Re: DOS emulator X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there a DOS emulator for FreeBSD? (Not Windows) Either > commercial or non-commercial ok. Work is going on on pcemu (the same thing as in Linux?), but it ain't ready yet. Tanel From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 22:25:16 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA13758 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:25:16 -0700 Received: from zaphod (zaphod.ttu.ee [193.40.254.227]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA13752 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:25:13 -0700 Received: from juku.li.ttu.ee by zaphod (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16935; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:25:42 +0300 Received: by juku.li.ttu.ee (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23904; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:24:00 +0300 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:24:00 +0300 From: tanel@juku.li.ttu.ee (Tanel Kuusk) Message-Id: <9504250524.AA23904@juku.li.ttu.ee> To: SELPHJ@alpha.obu.edu, swedguy@friendly.net5b.io.org Subject: Re: DOS emulator Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yes they do but I wouldn't take it. I rather use DOS/FreeBSD paritions. Am I missing something, but I can't imagine how can one run DOS programs using only partitions without a DOS emulator? Tanel From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 24 22:39:17 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA14082 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:39:17 -0700 Received: from ain.charm.net (ain.charm.net [198.69.35.206]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA14076 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:39:14 -0700 Received: (from nc@localhost) by ain.charm.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA26634; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:36:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:36:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: finger forwarding/tracking? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have been making some modifications to fingerd to allow me to not only know what system is making the contact but who they are trying to finger, etc. I have seen some systems that are able to figure out what system a finger request originated from even if the request was forwarded. In some cases, systems have even been able to tell what user ran finger in the first place. This seems to be mostly on systems that are able to tell what USER (from a system) is telneting to them. Any ideas on how I could go about setting that up? Where would I be able to find that sort of information about incoming requests? Thanks, -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 00:20:26 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA17307 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:20:26 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA17262 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:19:25 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA27322; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:16:14 +0800 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:16:13 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Don Dunbar cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SLIP In-Reply-To: <199504242347.AA02118@ipxpress.aws.waii.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Don Dunbar wrote: > > I have yet to see a good ppp/slip faq. The one in freebsd.faqs.tar.gz or > whatever the hell that is is a piece of crap for me: it is too personal, > it doesn't tell me howo what I wanna do. Then slug it out on your own and write a better one. With an attitude like that, I wouldn't help you out if you paid me. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 00:32:00 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA17985 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:32:00 -0700 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA17977 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:31:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA21951; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:31:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199504250731.AAA21951@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Network Coordinator cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: finger forwarding/tracking? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:36:37 EDT." Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:31:37 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >I have been making some modifications to fingerd to allow me to not only >know what system is making the contact but who they are trying to finger, >etc. I have seen some systems that are able to figure out what system a >finger request originated from even if the request was forwarded. In some >cases, systems have even been able to tell what user ran finger in the >first place. > >This seems to be mostly on systems that are able to tell what USER (from >a system) is telneting to them. Any ideas on how I could go about setting >that up? > >Where would I be able to find that sort of information about incoming >requests? > >Thanks, > >-Jerry. Take a look at the idendtd package. It does all of this without modification to other daemons like finger. The only catch is that the machine performing the request must also be running identd. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 01:28:43 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA19425 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:28:43 -0700 Received: from tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (cp_nairn@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au [131.217.10.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA19419 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:28:38 -0700 Received: (from cp_nairn@localhost) by tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA23581; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:28:08 +1000 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:28:07 +1000 (EST) From: Carey Nairn To: Nate Williams cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: tkined-1.2 In-Reply-To: <199504231436.IAA01429@trout.sri.MT.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > ld.so is broken on 322, i have it and i have bagged tying to use anything > > > that is not compiled statically. It just doesnt work. > > > > > Do you know if the problem with ld.so has been fixed in the latest SNAP ? > > Shared C++/Fortran and other problems have been fixed in the latest > SNAP. > > > Nate > Thanks to all.. I am now running 950412-SNAP comfortably and all seems well again. ========================================================================= Carey Nairn ! email : Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au Networks and Communications ! phone : (002) 20 7419 Information Technology Services ! fax : (002) 20 7898 University of Tasmania. ! ========================================================================= From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 06:05:38 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA01931 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 06:05:38 -0700 Received: from pop01.ca.us.ibm.net (pop01.ca.us.ibm.net [165.87.201.247]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA01924 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 06:05:35 -0700 Received: by pop01.ca.us.ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA43256; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:52:29 GMT Message-Id: <199504251252.AA43256@pop01.ca.us.ibm.net> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 16:04:02 EDT From: madmax@ibm.net (Kelly Nickell) Reply-To: madmax@ibm.net (Kelly Nickell) To: questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: PMMail (v1.05 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE) Subject: drivers Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to load freebsd onto a Compaq DeskPro XL 450 (PCI SCSI) from cdrom. Are there any drivers available to make this a reality? MADMAX@ibm.net Kelly Nickell VHA Inc. (214) 830-0490 From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 06:06:13 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA01954 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 06:06:13 -0700 Received: from bbiwy.CC.Uni-Augsburg.DE (bbiwy.CC.Uni-Augsburg.DE [137.250.1.254]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA01585 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 06:00:18 -0700 Received: from aixcip01.Math.Uni-Augsburg.DE (aixcip01.Math.Uni-Augsburg.DE [137.250.76.31]) by bbiwy.CC.Uni-Augsburg.DE (8.6.8.1/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA11178 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:58:18 +0200 Received: from aixcip02.Math.Uni-Augsburg.DE by aixcip01.Math.Uni-Augsburg.DE (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23827; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:57:38 +0200 Received: by aixcip02.Math.Uni-Augsburg.DE (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27820; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:57:31 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:57:31 +0200 From: haltmaye@mathpool.uni-augsburg.de Message-Id: <9504251257.AA27820@aixcip02.Math.Uni-Augsburg.DE> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear staff, recently I tried to start a SCO 3.2.2 binary, because I heard that FreeBSD 2.0 supplies this feature. I supposed I had to load the ibcs2 loadable kernel modules. I tried modload /lkm/ibcs2_mod.o and received the error message Undefined entry symbol _xxxinit After that I tried modload /lkm/ibcs2_coff_mod.o and got a lot of messages saying Undefined symbol '_ibcs2_trace' referenced from text segment and one saying Undefined symbol '_ibcs2_svr3_sysvec' referenced from text segment. The first error message, however, was telling me Undefined entry symbol '_xxxinit'. How do I start a SCO binary? Thanks in advance. Martin Haltmayer@uni-augsburg.de From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 06:17:37 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA02533 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 06:17:37 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA02525 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 06:17:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA22258 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:18:38 -0400 Received: from freefall.cdrom.com (freefall.cdrom.com [192.216.222.4]) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA12246 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 22:49:06 -0400 Received: from metronet.lib.mi.us (metronet.lib.mi.us [198.111.64.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA11082 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 19:47:58 -0700 Received: by metronet.lib.mi.us (8.6.12/2.2) id WAA06259; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 22:46:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199504230246.WAA06259@metronet.lib.mi.us> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 22:46:33 -0400 To: www@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.3 BETA X-Personal_name: Stephen L. Cito From: al256@detroit.freenet.org Subject: Seeking brief beginning advice for how to get started with FreeBSD Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have been trying to find out how to contact a group called Free Software Foundation, because I have been wanting to get started with Unix on my home computer. I program business applications for a living and am considered one of the more technically capable people in my dept. at work, but don't really know how to get started with "straying away" from the ol' DOS and Windows and adding the ability to run an entirely new OS to my (486DX266 Intel, 8Meg, VLB/IDE/420 Meg) system. Can you steer me to a good book that would give me an idea how to get started if I want to add something like FreeBSD to my system? Thank you for your time in reading this! From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 08:11:04 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA14604 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:11:04 -0700 Received: from jupiter.avsi.com (jupiter.avsi.com [199.100.190.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA14562 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:10:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jupiter.avsi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA01926 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:10:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199504251510.LAA01926@jupiter.avsi.com> X-Authentication-Warning: jupiter.avsi.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol From: Allyn Hardyck To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: fsck Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:10:28 -0400 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm wondering why on reboot fsck seems to think the filesystems are clean, yet in the /etc/daily output there seem to be a lot of incorrect clean flags and unreferenced files. Thanks - Allyn Hardyck From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 08:48:55 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA18491 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:48:55 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA18482 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:48:52 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <146>; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:03:04 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:02:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: 2.0 ports mirror? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Do anyone know where I can find a full mirror of the 2.x ports that used to available to available on ftp.freebsd.org? It seems that most sites only mirror the releases/snapshots only. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 10:01:03 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00883 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:01:03 -0700 Received: from mercury.unt.edu (mercury.unt.edu [129.120.1.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA00875 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:01:01 -0700 Received: from gab.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA03280 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:01:00 -0500 Received: from GAB/MAILQUEUE by gab.unt.edu (Mercury 1.13); Tue, 25 Apr 95 12:01:01 CST6CDT Received: from MAILQUEUE by GAB (Mercury 1.13); Tue, 25 Apr 95 12:00:47 CST6CDT From: "John Booth" Organization: University of North Texas To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:00:36 CST6CDT Subject: Re: List management: DIGEST TIME? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <1C2FB491C96@gab.unt.edu> Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Has anyone considered that digesting the lists would both reduce > > > the mail load and reduce the inbox load for people? It would also Yes, please digest it!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- College of Arts & Sciences Computing Services John A. Booth, john@gab.unt.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 10:09:04 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01464 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:09:04 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01431 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:08:44 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <151>; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:22:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:21:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Sean Kelly cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BT946C strangeness In-Reply-To: <9504251639.AA28381@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, Sean Kelly wrote: > >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Samplonius writes: > > Tom> I've just got a BT946C, and decided to try it out with the > Tom> latest SNAP. The weird part is that is detects it as a EISA > Tom> device! > > You think that's bad? My own BT946C under 2.0-RELEASE is an ISA > device: That's easy. Just disable the ISA compatibility port in the setup. Then config FreeBSD to use the PCI port (probably e800) instead. However, this really won't make a speed difference as I found out, and there may be something I'm missing. > And after installing it, I got a new mystery message during the pci > probe: > > pci0:11: vendor=0xffff, device=0x140, class=storage [not supported] > map(10): io(334) > > Huh? This confuses me too. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 10:47:54 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA03492 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:47:54 -0700 Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.BARRNET.NET [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA03482 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:47:50 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.6.10/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id JAA20048 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:38:30 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA16700; Tue, 25 Apr 95 16:39:31 GMT Received: from junco.fsl.noaa.gov by yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA28381; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:39:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:39:52 -0400 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9504251639.AA28381@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.37.109.16/SMI-4.1 (1.37.109.16)) id AA139167991; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:39:51 -0600 To: tom@haven.uniserve.com Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: (message from Tom Samplonius on Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:45:00 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: BT946C strangeness Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Samplonius writes: Tom> I've just got a BT946C, and decided to try it out with the Tom> latest SNAP. The weird part is that is detects it as a EISA Tom> device! You think that's bad? My own BT946C under 2.0-RELEASE is an ISA device: bt0: Bt946C/ 0-PCI/EISA/VLB(32bit) bus bt0: reading board settings, busmastering, int=15 bt0: version 4.22, sync, parity, 32 mbxs, 32 ccbs bt0: targ 5 async bt0: Enabling Round robin scheme bt0 at 0x334 irq 15 on isa And after installing it, I got a new mystery message during the pci probe: pci0:11: vendor=0xffff, device=0x140, class=storage [not supported] map(10): io(334) Huh? -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA Kill roaches with a monkey wrench while playing Wagnerian arias on a kazoo. If your roommate complains, explain that it is for your performance art class (or hit him/her with the wrench). -- One of 120 ways to annoy your roommate. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 10:56:05 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA03999 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:56:05 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA03993 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:56:04 -0700 Received: (from seidl@localhost) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA01062 ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:56:10 -0700 From: "Matthew L. Seidl" Message-Id: <199504251756.KAA01062@wc.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Mislabeled FreeBSD 2.0 CD's To: Pat_Barron@transarc.com Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Pat_Barron@transarc.com" at Apr 25, 95 00:35:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 980 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Pat_Barron@transarc.com Wrote: > Just came back from Trenton Computer Fair, where someone had a table > set up with CD-ROMs and was selling (among other things) FreeBSD 2.0 > CDs, cheap (like, $16.00). But these were labelled all over the cover > art and CD label with a release date of "January 1994". Shouldn't > this say "January *1995*"? They also had the Walnut Creek logo on the > label. Anyone know what gives? > > I picked one up, and haven't looked at any of the files or anything > yet, but I'm not real sure if I should trust the contents or not.... > Anything listed as FreeBSD 2.0 is Jan 1995. There was a screwup at the printer with the very first batch of labels. -=- Matthew L. Seidl email: seidl@cdrom.com =-= =-= Walnut Creek CDROM Sys Admin Project . . . What Project? -=- -=- Gamer, Re-Enactor, Student We're here to make your life better!=-= =-= And desperately waiting to hear from grad schools -Morrow Quotes -=- From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 11:06:50 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAB04669 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:06:50 -0700 Received: from grauna.ax.apc.org (grauna.ibase.br [200.18.178.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA04656 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:06:41 -0700 Received: from ax.ibase.org.br (ax.ibase.br [200.18.178.1]) by grauna.ax.apc.org (8.6.11/Revision: 1.58 ) with SMTP id PAA05341 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:06:50 -0300 Received: (from uupmlgate) by ax.ibase.org.br (8.6.11/Revision: 1.180 ) id PAA27794 for questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:02:55 -0300 Received: by pmlgate.pml.com.br id AA02172; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:00:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:00:30 -0400 From: Paulo Wollny Jr Message-Id: <199504251900.AA02172@pmlgate.pml.com.br> Apparently-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I just got FreeBSD 2 months ago, and I'm trying to configure PPP on my system. The problem is, when I try to run pppd, I get the message "PPP is not configured on this system" What shall I do in order to make pppd run? Best regards, Paulo Wollny Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 11:29:13 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA06309 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:29:13 -0700 Received: from wiley.csusb.edu (wiley.csusb.edu [139.182.2.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA06302 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:29:11 -0700 Received: by wiley.csusb.edu (5.67a/1.34) id AA26569; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:33:29 -0700 From: sdaniels@wiley.csusb.edu (Scott Daniels) Message-Id: <199504251833.AA26569@wiley.csusb.edu> Subject: Dos partition after install? To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com (quest) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: sdaniels@wiley.csusb.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 703 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I need some serious help. I installed FreeBSD off the cdrom (ver 2.0) and everything worked just fine. I've used my roommates knowledge to gert a sup going and make world, and so forth. I am running the most recent snap and would like to mount my msdos parttion. I continue to get a mount error and think the problem stems from not having a dos partition slice defined. Is this needed? I've run sysinstall and tried to modify the MBR with the slice option but the computer tells me it can't read the MBR. Normally this would worry me but the computer behaves just fine. Is there something I'm just lost on? If anyone has any comments or suggestions I would really appreciate it. Scott Daniels From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 13:04:41 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA12772 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 13:04:41 -0700 Received: from devnull.mpd.tandem.com (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA12753 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 13:04:33 -0700 Received: from olympus by devnull.mpd.tandem.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA21004; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:04:15 -0500 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA04050; Tue, 25 Apr 95 15:04:27 CDT From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9504252004.AA04050@olympus> Subject: Re: Dos partition after install? To: sdaniels@wiley.csusb.edu Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:04:26 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199504251833.AA26569@wiley.csusb.edu> from "Scott Daniels" at Apr 25, 95 11:33:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1339 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I need some serious help. > > I installed FreeBSD off the cdrom (ver 2.0) and everything worked just > fine. I've used my roommates knowledge to gert a sup going and make > world, and so forth. I am running the most recent snap and would like to > mount my msdos parttion. I continue to get a mount error and think the > problem stems from not having a dos partition slice defined. Is this needed? > > I've run sysinstall and tried to modify the MBR with the slice option but > the computer tells me it can't read the MBR. Normally this would worry me > but the computer behaves just fine. Is there something I'm just lost on? > > If anyone has any comments or suggestions I would really appreciate it. > > Scott Daniels > > What partition is it and how did you invoke the mount command? The most recent snap has slice code so DOS partitions, even extanded ones, are easily mounted, now. For example mount_msdos /dev/sd3s5 /f mounts the first extended partition on /f mount_msdos /dev/sd0s1 /c mounts the primary partition on sd0 on /c you will need to create these devices with /dev/MAKEDEV. -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 13:08:28 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA13019 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 13:08:28 -0700 Received: from uibero.uia.mx (uibero.uia.mx [192.203.177.32]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA12893 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 13:06:29 -0700 Received: from newton.uia.mx by uibero.uia.mx with SMTP (15.11/16.2) id AA03111; Tue, 25 Apr 95 14:05:41 mdt Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:04:26 -0600 Message-Id: <95042514042622@newton.uia.mx> From: "LEON::JCORDOVA1"@newton.uia.mx (Cias) To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: HELP HELP HELP HELP X-Vms-To: newton::smtp%"questions@freebsd.org" Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear Srs. Few day ago I buy a WalNut Creek FreeBSD. I try to install the software and it can not detect the network interface card? What can I do in order to tell to FreeBSD to detect the card? In adition to the last problem, when the sysinstall try to install the Xfree86 utilities it hangs and the do nothing more? Can you help me to solve that two minor problems? Thanks a lot. Jose Cordova Jcordova@uibero.uia.mx 1-524-711-3860 1-524-711-5477 Fax From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 14:48:29 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA20550 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:48:29 -0700 Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA20445 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:47:32 -0700 Received: from greenie.muc.de ([193.174.4.62]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <25578-2>; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 23:46:02 +0200 Received: by greenie.muc.de (/\==/\ Smail3.1.24.1 #24.2) id ; Tue, 25 Apr 95 23:45 MEST Message-Id: From: gert@greenie.muc.de (Gert Doering) Subject: Discussion about mgetty... To: terry@cs.weber.edu, timb@thud.cdrom.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 23:45:37 +0200 Cc: neko@greenie.muc.de (Simone Demmel), knarf@nasim.cube.net, mgetty@muc.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 10294 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, some kind soul forwarded this to me, and I feel I simply have to react, because some statements in this mail concerning mgetty where blatantly wrong, and I feel somewhat attacked by statements like "mgetty is bad", if in the same mail the author shows that he doesn't know much about mgetty's inner workings. I'll comment only on places that are wrong (or that I happen to have a different opinion on). Much of this stuff is perfectly allright, e.g the modem setup issues (&C1, &D2, CLOCAL and SIGHUP, ...) or the state diagram (only the mgetty issues aren't). > From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) > To: timb@thud.cdrom.com (Tim Bach) > Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:04:36 +0200 > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [..] > The modem should "reset as if powered of and turned on on an on-to-off > transition of DTR from the computer". > > On modern Hayes modems, this is AT&D2. Ummm... not really. Reset-as-if-power-cycle is usually &D3. &D2 is usually only "hang up and return to command mode". [..] > The practical effect of the /dev/cua0/cua1 device will be the setting > of the terminal modes HUPCL and -CLOCAL; you should log in through the > modem and type "stty -a" to make sure these settings are present. Well, many (that is, *all I know of*) getty programs set the termio(s) values to something sane anyway. It's getty's purpose to set them, not to rely on some driver defaults. > In incorrectly configured program (ie: mgetty) could result in the > flags being set incorrectly after login. What do you mean by that? mgetty does definitely set HUPCL and -CLOCAL (I'm not *that* dumb). It did from the very first release. Did you ever try it? > The use of "mgetty" is a problem. The "mgetty" program differs from > the "getty" program in that it opens the port and hangs on a read > waiting for the modem to announce a baud rate so that it can set > line speed. Partial true. Mgetty *can* do it (since some modems insist on switching baud rates), but the default is to read the CONNECT message only for informational and logging purposes. One of mgetty's big advantages is that the user can always exactly see in the log files which state the modem was/is in, and what did exactly happen when. > The ability to open without DCD present is a real > problem, in that it defeats the purpose of a calling unit device Well... we had a longish discussion about the "calling unit devices" in the Linux kernel mailing lists two months or so ago, and finally, nearly everyone (including the serial driver's author) agreed that the tty/cua distinction is a hack to get ill-behaving applications to work. The "classic" approach is to use one device for one physical device... > and thereby thwarts the normal modem login sequence. It doesn't. Ever heard the term "uugetty"? > A normal UNIX login sequence operates as follows: [..] > 1) The modem comes on; the computer is not in multiuser > mode, so DTR is not asserted. The mode will not > answer the phone until DTR is asserted. What do you do if your machine crashes, leaving DTR asserted? It *does* happen occasionally. If you have a modem that auto-answers, your modem will pick up the phone, and the callers will have to pay to the Telco... [..] > 11) The modem answers the phone. Its first act is to report > its "CONNECT " message to the computer. > > 12) Like other input prior to DCD being present, this data > is ignored. And now, we come to a far more important problem: to have the maximum flexibility, you have to be able to cope with modems that raise DCD *before* sending the CONNECT string. There are *many* of them around, and with a "classic" approach, you can only handle them if you switch off modem responses (which is nasty for parallel dial-outs). So, what do you do? You use a getty program (mgetty, that is, or getty_ps, or others) that does know about CONNECT strings. BTW: in this step, you can as well do the distinction whether the incoming call was a FAX or DATA call, and handle both accordingly. Major plus for mgetty and FlexFax. > 16) If the user does not see this, they send "break" signals; > the "getty" changes the baud rate and reissues the prompt > for each break signal received. Now this is something I call severely dumb. We're talking about smart modems, remember? All of them can be set to a fixed DTE baud rate, so there isn't any need for baud rate switching anymore. *If* it has to be done, then, by all means, read the CONNECT string and handle it the way it is meant to be. Having the callers send signals is something that will work for Unix experts, but the average Joe User doesn't want (or should) to know about it. He wants to see a CONNECT and then a "welcome" banner, no break signal fiddling. > particular line, as well as the default line settings for > each are stored in the /etc/gettytab file. Well, mgetty can't read gettytab, but it can read gettydefs (SYSV-ism), which is - IMHO - far more powerful, though I detest it as well (personal dislike for cryptic formats). [..] > [Modem connection failing immediately after CONNECT] > This is exactly the situation if the computer has an input present > before DCD is raised and echos the "RING" or "CONNECT" messages > back to the modem. This is exactly the reason why it is a GoodThing to have a getty process that knows about RING and CONNECT and *doesn't* echo it back to the modem. Don't we all agree here? > If the mgetty incorrectly sets CLOCAL or -HUPCL in its effort to > open the port without DCD being present, ... It doesn't. Well, it does, but as soon as carrier is present, the CLOCAL flag is reset, and the -HUPCL flag is set. There *is* a small time window (about 50-100 ms or so) where the DCD line is high, but CLOCAL is still set, but if the connection is lost in that place, mgetty will notice as well (doesn't have to rely on SIGHUP here). > ... this will prevent normal operation. Normal operation isn't touched by this in any way. [..] > If the mgetty/getty is started on a tty device instead of a cua device, > the default port settings will not include -CLOCAL and HUPCL, and > the connection will not behave as expected. Who cares for default settings? It's getty's *JOB* to set the termios settings to something specific, not to rely on the defaults. Mgetty very well knows about possibly-wrong defaults and sets the flags properly. [...] > The "mgetty" program is bad. I tend to have quite a different opinion here :) > It should not succeed in the open > without DCD present; this prevents the port for being used for > dialout without killing the "mgetty". This is *WRONG* (dammit). If the programs create proper UUCP lock files, they can dial out while mgetty is running without any difficulties. Admitted, they must not use a different device in the tty/cua device pair, but as long as the same device is used, shared dial-in/dial-out is very easy. > The correct way to open the port without DCD present is to use the > O_NDELAY flag; this has the side effect of setting no delay on reads, > when you probably do not want this,... Huh?? Now I am really puzzled. Did you *EVER* *LOOK* at mgetty? mgetty *does* open the port with O_NDELAY. Did from the very first release. Naturally, CLOCAL has to be set as well, because many serial drivers won't read from the device, even if the open() has succeeded, if CLOCAL is unset and DCD hasn't been raised yet. > ...with no way to unset them. Nonsense. Ever read the manpage of fcntl() in recent Unixoid systems? You *can* reset O_NDELAY (or O_NONBLOCK, definitions differ) with fcntl(), and it works very well on Linux, Free/NetBSD, BSDI, SVR3/4, SunOS, Solaris, you-name-it-all. Even on the AT&T 3B1 UnixPC! Let me cite from the source code: ---------- if ( ! blocking ) { fd = open(devname, O_RDWR | O_NDELAY | O_NOCTTY ); if ( fd < 0 ) { lprintf( L_FATAL, "cannot open line" ); return ERROR; } /* unset O_NDELAY (otherwise waiting for characters */ /* would be "busy waiting", eating up all cpu) */ fcntl( fd, F_SETFL, O_RDWR); } ---------- > The correct procedure is to: open with O_NDELAY, open a second time > without O_NDELAY (the second open will not block because there is > already an open on the port), and close the first open. This is > called "the partial open hack", but in reality it is not a hack > (unless you consider the overloading of O_NDELAY in the first place > a hack). Well.... one could do this on systems where fcntl() isn't able to reset O_NDELAY, but I've never seen one. Very old SCO Unix variants are rumored to have a bug in open() that will make this necessary as well, but I have compiled and run mgetty on a SCO Unix 3.2v2.0 machine (about five years old), and never seen any problem. > The "mgetty" program should be rewritten to use an open flag that > causes the open to hang until a "ring indicate" signal is seen > instead od waiting for DCD. The driver should be rewritten to > accomodate this. That is an interesting (and very reasonable!) approach. It has been suggested by other very competent persons before. Unfortunately, de-facto standards make this impossible. Many multiport cards don't even wire the RI line anywhere. No commercial unix vendor will support this. So, are you really willing to sacrifice portability here? > Then the "mgetty" should do it's reads normally; > an alarm should be set so that if DCD (a "CONNECT" message) does > not occur within a set period of time, the mgetty closes the port > and reissues the open. This approach won't work too good. It's better to monitor the port for "good" (CONNECT) and "bad" (NO CARRIER) strings. Reason: if you want to do a timeout, it has to be quite long, to accomodate the time until the desired number of RINGs (S0) and the maximum no-connect time (S7) has passed. This gives a large time frame to collide with outgoing processes. gert -- Final exams... second half... limited time... bad mood... stop... :) //www.muc.de/~gert Gert Doering - Munich, Germany gert@greenie.muc.de fax: +49-89-3244814 gert.doering@physik.tu-muenchen.de From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 15:48:22 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA22835 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:48:22 -0700 Received: from copper (copper.cmp.com [198.80.26.247]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA22829 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:48:20 -0700 Received: from mailgate.cmp.com ([198.80.26.5]) by copper with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA284219999; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:46:39 -0400 Received: by mailgate.cmp.com with Microsoft Mail id <2F9DA637@mailgate.cmp.com>; Tue, 25 Apr 95 18:47:35 PDT From: Plyaskin Sergey To: "'.freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: X configuration Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 18:46:00 PDT Message-Id: <2F9DA637@mailgate.cmp.com> Encoding: 5 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a short question. Where do I configure the initial settings for X (e.g. number of windows, their sizes and position on the screen)? From my past Sun experience, I recall something like .XDefaults. Where is it here? I run twm. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 16:12:08 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA23133 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:12:08 -0700 Received: from fourthgen.winternet.com (fourthgen.winternet.com [199.199.125.55]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA23126 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:12:05 -0700 Received: (from tomg@localhost) by fourthgen.winternet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA18118 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:11:08 -0500 From: Tom Greenwalt Message-Id: <199504252311.SAA18118@fourthgen.winternet.com> Subject: 2.0gig disk drives To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:10:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 512 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am running 950412-SNAP with the Bt946c SCSI controller and a two 1-gig Seagates and one 2-gig Seagate. I've been having problems with the 2-gig drive getting badly messed up during system crashes. Bad enough that fsck requires manual intervention. Are there problems with using drives that large reliabily? Should I partition it to a pair a 1-gig areas? I hate to do that since it's supposed to be for the newsfeed. -- Tom Greenwalt ******* If I didn't stay up all night, I'd miss the sunrise. ******* From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 16:34:29 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA23765 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:34:29 -0700 Received: from isl.cf.ac.uk (isl-gate.elsy.cf.ac.uk [131.251.22.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA23757 ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:34:06 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by isl.cf.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA13570; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 00:35:16 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199504252335.AAA13570@isl.cf.ac.uk> Subject: Proposed gateways. To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers mailing list) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 00:35:16 +0100 (BST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3896 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is the current state of the gateway plans. We have a full two way gateway between questions and usenet. We have a *ONE-WAY* gateway from hackers into usenet with a note stating that the FreeBSD developers are doing this as a service to the usenet community so that people can see what we're up to but that to actually participate in those discussions they should subscscribe to the mailing lists, the pointer would be to majordomo@freebsd.org rather than to hackers itself. The new mentor/newbie scheme would use help@freebsd.org for newbies to ask questions to and a mentors@freebsd.org for the mentors to sign up to. Ok, the reasons: We need a higher profile on usenet, questions will basically be sacrificed for this purpose, If people feel that questions becomes too much for them then it's up to them whether they stick with it. In fact, discussion has suggested that many people have already made this decision and unsubscribed so those of us left probably don't mind the load :-) Hackers will be our main, general discussion list. We want usenet to see these discussions, so we gateway to usenet, but we don't want that list to get spammed and we don't want all the religious wars and general crap you get on usenet finding it's way back onto it. We provide a hint of how to actually join the list by referring to our majordomo address. We do this much anyway. If we get some problem subscribers joining because they've seen the usenet discussion then we have control over their subscription and we can toss them out very easily if they're any trouble. The newbie/mentor mechanism should not be visible to anyone who doesn't want anything to do with it so we'll create a completely separate set of lists for it. The mentor list would be controlled by Gary and basically if you want to join the scheme as a mentor you send mail to mentors to sign up. We can probably use mentors for general discussion of the scheme too (amongst the mentors and people running the scheme that is). The help@freebsd.org list will be widely advertised as the place to, well, request help from. We'll work out the details but this will be an automated queue where requests for help are assigned to mentors. All further requests for help from a particular newbie will then get re-directed to the assigned mentor, these discussions will be private between the mentor and the newbie, they won't be visible to the rest of the list. They will be archived though so we can track what the problem areas are in our user support. There'll also be mechanisms for mentors to drop newbies and vise-versa. Ok, that sort of sums up what's been discussed over the last few days with the current proposals as discussed on -core. Now to the rub, we have to take a vote on questions and hackers to accept the usenet gateway proposals before we implement it. I'll handle this. To make it simple for me send a single, separate, mail message, for each list you're on (you have to actually be on the list), stating whether you are for or against the proposal for that list. Stick the answer in the subject so I don't even have to read the thing. Something like, "questions - YES" etc. I can just dump them into appropriate folders that way and count them up pretty easily. I'll run this for about a week and then post the results. This isn't anything too formal so don't go asking for the rules :-) We're just trying to gauge opinion for each list before we go ahead and do it. Ohh, one last point. There's no decision been made as to which newsgroups we gateway to. I only seem to have misc and announce at this site for FreeBSD, what new groups actually got created? -- Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, URL: http://isl.cf.ac.uk/~paul/ Phone: +44 1222 874000 x6646 (work), +44 1222 457651 (home) Dept. Mechanical Engineering, University of Wales, College Cardiff. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 16:49:40 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA24066 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:49:40 -0700 Received: from salyko.cube.net (root@salyko.cube.net [193.141.73.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA24057 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:49:34 -0700 Received: from nasim.nasim.cube.net by salyko.cube.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0s3uLt-0016VKC; Wed, 26 Apr 95 01:49 MET DST Received: by nasim.nasim.cube.net (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0s3uLm-000OJKC; Wed, 26 Apr 95 01:49 MET DST Message-Id: From: knarf@nasim.cube.net (Frank Bartels) Subject: Re: Discussion about mgetty... To: gert@greenie.muc.de (Gert Doering) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 01:49:01 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, timb@thud.cdrom.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, neko@greenie.muc.de, mgetty@muc.de, nox@jelal.nasim.cube.net (Juergen Lock) In-Reply-To: from "Gert Doering" at Apr 25, 95 11:45:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 4759 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gert Doering wrote: > One of mgetty's big advantages is that > the user can always exactly see in the log files which state the modem > was/is in, and what did exactly happen when. True. I really don't want to miss this feature of mgetty. > > 1) The modem comes on; the computer is not in multiuser > > mode, so DTR is not asserted. The mode will not > > answer the phone until DTR is asserted. > > What do you do if your machine crashes, leaving DTR asserted? It *does* > happen occasionally. If you have a modem that auto-answers, your modem > will pick up the phone, and the callers will have to pay to the Telco... True. A machine either crashes and reboots immediateley or the machine just `hangs' (usually when the admin is not present). With mgetty both cases are never a problem, the machine will only pick up the phone if the machine is really ready to accept a call. > And now, we come to a far more important problem: to have the maximum > flexibility, you have to be able to cope with modems that raise DCD > *before* sending the CONNECT string. There are *many* of them around, > and with a "classic" approach, you can only handle them if you switch > off modem responses (which is nasty for parallel dial-outs). Nasty? Switching off modem responses to behave like a directly connected terminal is totally braindead in my eyes. Checking the modem in regular intervals (AT->OK) would be nearly impossible. > BTW: in this step, you can as well do the distinction whether the incoming > call was a FAX or DATA call, and handle both accordingly. Major plus for > mgetty and FlexFax. Do not forget the voice capabilities of vgetty (which is part of the mgetty distribution). > Having the callers send signals is something that will work for > Unix experts, but the average Joe User doesn't want (or should) to know > about it. He wants to see a CONNECT and then a "welcome" banner, no break > signal fiddling. No comment needed here, I hope. > > particular line, as well as the default line settings for > > each are stored in the /etc/gettytab file. > > Well, mgetty can't read gettytab, but it can read gettydefs (SYSV-ism), > which is - IMHO - far more powerful, though I detest it as well (personal > dislike for cryptic formats). I also never missed any of those files. > Who cares for default settings? It's getty's *JOB* to set the termios > settings to something specific, not to rely on the defaults. Under FreeBSD you are able to lock a device in a predefined state (for example via the cual0n device). This is usually done in /etc/rc.serial and it's always a bad idea to to this (really cannot imagine where this could be really needed). *This* could be the problem of the original poster. Since I use mgetty I *never* noticed a process hanging on one of the serial ports (except for pppd, which ignores all signals under FreeBSD if you use proxyarp, but that's another story and not mgetty related). > > The "mgetty" program is bad. > > I tend to have quite a different opinion here :) Me, too. mgetty is great! I use it with a couple of modems under SunOS4 and FreeBSD here, and it also works fine unter *beep* and some other really bad systems like SINIX (no controlling tty on the serial port!) or Interactive. > > It should not succeed in the open > > without DCD present; this prevents the port for being used for > > dialout without killing the "mgetty". > > This is *WRONG* (dammit). If the programs create proper UUCP lock files, > they can dial out while mgetty is running without any difficulties. No problems here. FreeBSD is not *beep* where every program is precompiled with different lockfile-paths and -styles. If you compile a new program using a serial device, all you have to do is to make sure it uses the same lockfile-path and style as all the others do. This is not too hard and it's a good idea even if not using mgetty. > This approach won't work too good. It's better to monitor the port for > "good" (CONNECT) and "bad" (NO CARRIER) strings. Reason: if you want to > do a timeout, it has to be quite long, to accomodate the time until the > desired number of RINGs (S0) and the maximum no-connect time (S7) has > passed. This gives a large time frame to collide with outgoing processes. Yes, with the current behaviour of mgetty dialin-/dialout-collisions usually do not happen. Sure, there is a race condition, when the dialout process sends ATD and someone tries to dial in and the modem cannot send RING fast enough to cause an abort of the dialout-chat-script. But this will also happen if you monitor RI. Bye, Knarf -- Frank Bartels | UUCP/ZModem/Fax: + 49 89 5469593 | MiNT is knarf@nasim.cube.net | Login: nuucp Index: /pub/ls-lR.nasim.gz | Now TOS! From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 17:16:22 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA24804 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:16:22 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA24796 ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:16:20 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA09230; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:16:06 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199504260016.RAA09230@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Proposed gateways. To: paul@isl.cf.ac.uk (Paul Richards) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199504252335.AAA13570@isl.cf.ac.uk> from "Paul Richards" at Apr 26, 95 00:35:16 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2984 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > This is the current state of the gateway plans. > > We have a full two way gateway between questions and usenet. > > We have a *ONE-WAY* gateway from hackers into usenet with a note > stating that the FreeBSD developers are doing this as a service to > the usenet community so that people can see what we're up to but that > to actually participate in those discussions they should subscscribe > to the mailing lists, the pointer would be to majordomo@freebsd.org rather > than to hackers itself. I would rather see a one way gate of questions.. two way will send followups to questions as well. I don't think we need this.. what we DO want is the ANSWERS to go to the usenet group as well however, 'question by mail' ---------->mojordomo------------>list with reply to: | set to user and 'answers' | |----------------> Usenet Reply-to: set to user and 'answers' "REPLY BE EMAIL" added. 'answer by mail' ---------->mojordomo------------>list | |----------------> Usenet > > The new mentor/newbie scheme would use help@freebsd.org for newbies to > ask questions to and a mentors@freebsd.org for the mentors to sign up to. yes > > > Ok, the reasons: > > We need a higher profile on usenet, questions will basically be sacrificed > for this purpose, If people feel that questions becomes too much for them > then it's up to them whether they stick with it. In fact, discussion has > suggested that many people have already made this decision and unsubscribed > so those of us left probably don't mind the load :-) questions will become the same as usenet.. this is not good questions should have questions... answers on 'answers' > > Hackers will be our main, general discussion list. We want usenet > to see these discussions, so we gateway to usenet, but we don't > want that list to get spammed and we don't want all the religious > wars and general crap you get on usenet finding it's way back onto > it. We provide a hint of how to actually join the list by referring > to our majordomo address. We allow people to juoin, but don't say so... > We do this much anyway. If we get some > problem subscribers joining because they've seen the usenet discussion > then we have control over their subscription and we can toss them > out very easily if they're any trouble. wellllllllllll, ok > > Ok, that sort of sums up what's been discussed over the last few days with > the current proposals as discussed on -core. > Now to the rub, we have to take a vote on questions and hackers to accept > the usenet gateway proposals before we implement it. I'll handle this. how about a vote category for "Want Gating 1 way or similar" > julian From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 17:24:25 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA25150 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:24:25 -0700 Received: from isl.cf.ac.uk (isl-gate.elsy.cf.ac.uk [131.251.22.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA25144 ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:24:07 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by isl.cf.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA13779; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 01:25:07 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199504260025.BAA13779@isl.cf.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Proposed gateways. To: julian@ref.tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 01:25:06 +0100 (BST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199504260016.RAA09230@ref.tfs.com> from "Julian Elischer" at Apr 25, 95 05:16:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2222 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Julian Elischer who said > ...... > I would rather see a one way gate of questions.. > two way will send followups to questions as well. > I don't think we need this.. > what we DO want is the ANSWERS to go to the usenet group as well however, > > > 'question by mail' ---------->mojordomo------------>list with reply to: > | set to user and 'answers' > | > |----------------> Usenet > Reply-to: > set to user and 'answers' > "REPLY BE EMAIL" added. > > 'answer by mail' ---------->mojordomo------------>list > | > |----------------> Usenet Umm, if you reply to an usenet message and it gets sent to majordomo it's going to end up back on usenet anyway isn't it? I don't quite follow what you're getting at here. The reply-to field in the usenet posting would point to questions@freebsd.org so the list would see the reply and it would go back to usenet as well. This is effectively a two way gate and what I advocated. The follow-up field has to point to question too otherwise replies from the usenet side won't be seen back on questions. > > We need a higher profile on usenet, questions will basically be sacrificed > > for this purpose, If people feel that questions becomes too much for them > > then it's up to them whether they stick with it. In fact, discussion has > > suggested that many people have already made this decision and unsubscribed > > so those of us left probably don't mind the load :-) > questions will become the same as usenet.. this is not good > questions should have questions... > answers on 'answers' Umm, what exactly are you on about? Two lists, one for answers? seems pretty silly to me. -- Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, URL: http://isl.cf.ac.uk/~paul/ Phone: +44 1222 874000 x6646 (work), +44 1222 457651 (home) Dept. Mechanical Engineering, University of Wales, College Cardiff. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 17:27:41 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA25223 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:27:41 -0700 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA25216 ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:27:38 -0700 Received: by brasil.moneng.mei.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05349; Tue, 25 Apr 95 19:26:27 CDT From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <9504260026.AA05349@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Proposed gateways. To: paul@isl.cf.ac.uk (Paul Richards) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:26:26 -0500 (CDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199504252335.AAA13570@isl.cf.ac.uk> from "Paul Richards" at Apr 26, 95 00:35:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 872 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ohh, one last point. There's no decision been made as to which newsgroups > we gateway to. I only seem to have misc and announce at this site for > FreeBSD, what new groups actually got created? Which brings up a good point: we should probably arrange for multiple injection points. This is quite legitimate and would address many of the concerns about "slow Usenet links". We probably want to consider one in Japan, Australia, Germany, probably a few other points (haven't studied the maps lately), and two points in the US. This would allow for rapid dissemination via Usenet. :-) If need be, I can probably offer spool.mu.edu as an injection point. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 17:27:46 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA25230 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:27:46 -0700 Received: from mailman.bdeoss.com (root@[129.54.4.242]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA25224 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:27:41 -0700 Received: by mailman with Microsoft Mail id <2F9D9309@mailman>; Tue, 25 Apr 95 17:25:45 PDT From: "Paul, Chris bd 6-6487" To: "brian@MediaCity.Com" , "jkh@freefall.cdrom.com" , bsdquestions , "'seki@sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp'" Subject: Installation troubles Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 17:06:00 PDT Message-ID: <2F9D9309@mailman> Encoding: 58 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, I got rid of the checksum errors. I was trying to install off of a mounted FreeBSD partition (UFS) and that's where I got the errors, so I ftp'd the whole directory to a local SUN and then installed using manual ftp from the SUN. I lost the checksum errors, but now during extraction (and other random points during install such as checksum or even booting) I get an error: ahc0: target 0, lun 0 (sd0) timed out (repeated various times) and /:bad dir ino 4 at offset 0: mangled entry panic:bad dir Any clues? I really want to use this SCSI controller... it hums under NT. Thanks Christopher Paul bd Systems MIS Vandenberg AFB, CA > I accessed a local ftp site to get bindist. > > The site runs a non-standard version of ftp srever. > > The server performs a "strict checking" on an email address > sent as a password for an anonymous user. > Ahhhhh.. Well, this problem should hopefully go away soon as I go to libftp! Jordan > I was very happy when my 2.0-950412-SNAP boot disk saw my SCSI bus and I > could Fdisk and label my partitions. However, when I get to the bin > installation procedure and ftp the files over to /usr/tmp, the checksum > routine fails. I don't think the checksums are the problem, as it responds > too quickly without doing any work and I should have had problems unzipping > them if the files were corrupt. Please mail questions like this to (not surprisingly) questions@FreeBSD.org. -current is for people who are already running -current and need to stay up to date on issues having to do with it. You're not quite in that category! :-) What happens when you try to fetch the bindist over manually, running to do_cksum.sh script yourself? Hit ESC twice to get a shell and try this by hand. Jordan From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 17:56:22 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA26693 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:56:22 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA26682 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:56:13 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA03107; Tue, 25 Apr 95 18:48:43 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504260048.AA03107@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Discussion about mgetty... To: gert@greenie.muc.de (Gert Doering) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 18:48:43 MDT Cc: timb@thud.cdrom.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, neko@greenie.muc.de, knarf@nasim.cube.net, mgetty@muc.de In-Reply-To: from "Gert Doering" at Apr 25, 95 11:45:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > some kind soul forwarded this to me, and I feel I simply have to react, > because some statements in this mail concerning mgetty where blatantly > wrong, and I feel somewhat attacked by statements like "mgetty is bad", if > in the same mail the author shows that he doesn't know much about mgetty's > inner workings. It wasn't intended as an attack, it's just that there seems to be a trade between dialout capability and mgetty capabilities. I'm more than willing to discuss any of this; the problems I see in mgetty and which I reported in the posting are primarily the result of mgetty trying to solve a problem for which OS support should exist but doesn't. The problems aren't directly attributable to mgetty itself, although it suffers from them as a result of the OS deficiencies. > > The modem should "reset as if powered of and turned on on an on-to-off > > transition of DTR from the computer". > > > > On modern Hayes modems, this is AT&D2. > > Ummm... not really. Reset-as-if-power-cycle is usually &D3. &D2 is usually > only "hang up and return to command mode". I screwed this one up. It was retracted in a followup posting; I was looking at a multimodem 224E manual when quoting this, and it wasn't quite hayes compatible. > > The practical effect of the /dev/cua0/cua1 device will be the setting > > of the terminal modes HUPCL and -CLOCAL; you should log in through the > > modem and type "stty -a" to make sure these settings are present. > > Well, many (that is, *all I know of*) getty programs set the termio(s) > values to something sane anyway. It's getty's purpose to set them, not to > rely on some driver defaults. Most drivers do templating, and the templating in BSD modem control drivers in a traditional (ie: Sun) implementation sets these flags. Most of the gettytab definitions don't permit these settings to be changed. That the current BSD drivers hybrid the templating they do is either attributable to design issues that are still not addressed in BSD, or design decisions on the part of the driver writer. I don't agree with all of them. Traditionally, the CLOCAL and HUPCL flags are not settable nor are set by the getty program because of adverse effects; specifically, the setting of CLOCAL to -CLOCAL without carrier present will (is suppose to) result in the same effect on the device as if there had been A DCD loss on a line where DCD was present. The setting of -HUPCL to HUPCL can result in the deivce acting as if it had been closed and dropping DTR to the modem, potentiall severing the active connection. In general, it is not permissable to change these "meta" flags while the modem is on line. This is acceptable for dial-in for security reasons having to do with ensureing proper modem baud rate training, defeating iterative login attempts by forcing the caller to reestabilish the connection after a count of failures, and preventing leving logged in shells active for subsequent modem callers. This is acceptable for dialout because dialout programs are not the process for the dialout line is the controlling tty. This is because correct operation requires that a call-in caller calling out on a seperate modem from the one dialed in on *must* correctly lose his session when the connection between his modem and the machine is lost, and resetting the controlling tty would preclude SIGHUP delivery, since each process mah have only one controlling tty. Similarly, it is typical in a hard-writed terminal connection to wire terminal DTR to serial port DCD so that if the terminal is powered off (as a typical end user might do at the end of the day), security is maintained by destroying the user's connection to the machine by allowing the session for a direct connected terminal to honor -CLOCAL seperately from HUPCL. > > In incorrectly configured program (ie: mgetty) could result in the > > flags being set incorrectly after login. > > What do you mean by that? mgetty does definitely set HUPCL and -CLOCAL > (I'm not *that* dumb). It did from the very first release. > > Did you ever try it? Yes, I did. The problem I have is in the opening of the port prior to a connection being present, thereby precluding use of the port for bidirectional (both incoming and outbound) use. > > The use of "mgetty" is a problem. The "mgetty" program differs from > > the "getty" program in that it opens the port and hangs on a read > > waiting for the modem to announce a baud rate so that it can set > > line speed. > > Partial true. Mgetty *can* do it (since some modems insist on switching > baud rates), but the default is to read the CONNECT message only for > informational and logging purposes. One of mgetty's big advantages is that > the user can always exactly see in the log files which state the modem > was/is in, and what did exactly happen when. This is an advantage for non-bidirectional use. However, in bidirectional prot implementation, when an incomming port open has succeeded, then an outgoing open will be blocked until the connection goes away (or if it is opened with O_NDELAY, the open will return EWOULDBLOCK). > > The ability to open without DCD present is a real > > problem, in that it defeats the purpose of a calling unit device > > Well... we had a longish discussion about the "calling unit devices" in > the Linux kernel mailing lists two months or so ago, and finally, nearly > everyone (including the serial driver's author) agreed that the tty/cua > distinction is a hack to get ill-behaving applications to work. > > The "classic" approach is to use one device for one physical device... And then make the "uugetty" (or in this case the "mgetty') wait for a carriage return following DCD before emitting a login, and allowing the uugetty open to complete once DCD has benn asserted, but then checking for a lock file (which must be asserted by the dialing program whose successful connection allowed the DCD to come true). The uugetty then backs off and rechecks the lock file presence at 5 minute intervals, and if present, sends a kill 0 to the process whose PID is in the lock file. This is where the abomination before god of the kill 0 and the abomination of caring about lockfile format and PID contents came from. The kill returns 0 (if the process is there and killable), but doesn't actually signal the process, or it returns EPERM, indicating that the process is there, but not killable by you, or it returns ESRCH, which indicates that the program is dead and the lock file may be ignored. This is clearly much more of a kludge than having device synonyms with implied (and therefore more reliable) locking in the kernel. > > and thereby thwarts the normal modem login sequence. > > It doesn't. Ever heard the term "uugetty"? Yes. See above why it is a kludge. > > 1) The modem comes on; the computer is not in multiuser > > mode, so DTR is not asserted. The mode will not > > answer the phone until DTR is asserted. > > What do you do if your machine crashes, leaving DTR asserted? It *does* > happen occasionally. If you have a modem that auto-answers, your modem > will pick up the phone, and the callers will have to pay to the Telco... You fix the hardware. This is an unlikely case, and is no better handled than any other catastrophic failure using any other software. > > 11) The modem answers the phone. Its first act is to report > > its "CONNECT " message to the computer. > > > > 12) Like other input prior to DCD being present, this data > > is ignored. > > And now, we come to a far more important problem: to have the maximum > flexibility, you have to be able to cope with modems that raise DCD > *before* sending the CONNECT string. There are *many* of them around, > and with a "classic" approach, you can only handle them if you switch > off modem responses (which is nasty for parallel dial-outs). I disagree. The Tandy DT400 does this, but it's ^N escape character makes it useless for binary file transmission anyway. The AT&T 4024 series of modems also do this by default, but it is programmable and thus you can get rid of the behaviour. Reporting connect AFTER connect but before DCD has been raised to the computer is mandated by the Hayes standard. Other than the examples above, I think you'd be hard pressed to find modems which do this that can not be reconfigured to *NOT* do it. > So, what do you do? You use a getty program (mgetty, that is, or getty_ps, > or others) that does know about CONNECT strings. I reconfigure the modem. > BTW: in this step, you can as well do the distinction whether the incoming > call was a FAX or DATA call, and handle both accordingly. Major plus for > mgetty and FlexFax. I understand that. Again, that's the unidirectional soloution. The correct way to handle it would be to not allow the open to complete in the kernel until a RI is seen, and set the modem for 2 rings to ensure that one is sent to the computer before the modem answers. This is a kernel driver problem in that there is not (currently) a flag to open to cause this behaviour. On the other hand, if the open has competed prior to an attempt to connect to the machine, the only alternative for an outbound connection program is to open the port itself and *manually* kill off the mgetty (requiring the acquisition of apropriate priveledges to make this a realistic alternative). This is worse than just a kludge, it's a blatant security hole. > > 16) If the user does not see this, they send "break" signals; > > the "getty" changes the baud rate and reissues the prompt > > for each break signal received. > > Now this is something I call severely dumb. We're talking about smart > modems, remember? All of them can be set to a fixed DTE baud rate, so > there isn't any need for baud rate switching anymore. I was describing the traditional behaviour. As long as the modem has sufficient RAM for buffering of data and an out of band flow control mechanism to allow binary data to be successfully transmitted (It's a bitch when Xmodem stops at packet 17 or 19 because the sequence number is a ^Q or ^S, or your SLIP or PPP just hang on you), AND you are willing to live with the delay between the time you type ^C and the output actually aborts caused by the baud differential filling that buffer, then locking the computer-modem baud rate is an acceptable soloution. Similarly, if it's an internal modem with no real computer-modem baud rate, it's also an acceptable arrangement because there is no such thing as needing to train the getty in that case. Anyway, it's not my design, but it beats the DEC method of building serial boards that recognixe returns because you *know* the serial board you are going to use and you have DEC drivers. > *If* it has to be done, then, by all means, read the CONNECT string and > handle it the way it is meant to be. Sure, as long as that read is not pending except during the connection attempt itself so I don't have to buy a second modem and phone line to be able to dial out. > Having the callers send signals is something that will work for > Unix experts, but the average Joe User doesn't want (or should) to know > about it. He wants to see a CONNECT and then a "welcome" banner, no break > signal fiddling. Kermit, TERM, Procomm, Crosstalk, and most other comm software packages support scripting capability, and come with defaults for connecting to UNIX boxes; on the other hand, you are right that it's dumb. I'd much prefer that they use the RS232C standard external clock pin for port baud rate, but unfortuantely, Intel doesn't know how to build UARTS, or at least IBM doesn't know how to pick them. The only other alternative, as you pointed out, is locking the DTE baud rate and accepting the problems that come with doing that instead. > > particular line, as well as the default line settings for > > each are stored in the /etc/gettytab file. > > Well, mgetty can't read gettytab, but it can read gettydefs (SYSV-ism), > which is - IMHO - far more powerful, though I detest it as well (personal > dislike for cryptic formats). We agree here. 8-). > > [Modem connection failing immediately after CONNECT] > > This is exactly the situation if the computer has an input present > > before DCD is raised and echos the "RING" or "CONNECT" messages > > back to the modem. > > This is exactly the reason why it is a GoodThing to have a getty process > that knows about RING and CONNECT and *doesn't* echo it back to the modem. > > Don't we all agree here? I agree that it should not be echoed; how you arrive at not echoing it is another thing altogether. Whether it's because the computer is not in a state that it can echo things back because it is watching for wire signals or it's because there's a read posted without the line being in a cannonical processing mode to not echo it is irrelevant. What *is* relevant is whether the approach you chose screws with your ability to use the hardware the way you want to use it (ie: for dialout). > > If the mgetty incorrectly sets CLOCAL or -HUPCL in its effort to > > open the port without DCD being present, ... > > It doesn't. Well, it does, but as soon as carrier is present, the CLOCAL > flag is reset, and the -HUPCL flag is set. There *is* a small time window > (about 50-100 ms or so) where the DCD line is high, but CLOCAL is still > set, but if the connection is lost in that place, mgetty will notice as > well (doesn't have to rely on SIGHUP here). Agreed -- on the other hand, it relies on the driver not acting quirky on port settings changes (many older drivers do). If it does rely on not having older driver, it might as well rely on optimistic driver behaviours as well, so there's really no difference in the approach. > > ... this will prevent normal operation. > > Normal operation isn't touched by this in any way. Normal dialout operation when a connection is not present, but while mgetty has a non-echoing read posted that will prevent a dialout program from communicating with the modem. > > If the mgetty/getty is started on a tty device instead of a cua device, > > the default port settings will not include -CLOCAL and HUPCL, and > > the connection will not behave as expected. > > Who cares for default settings? It's getty's *JOB* to set the termios > settings to something specific, not to rely on the defaults. > > Mgetty very well knows about possibly-wrong defaults and sets the flags > properly. I'd argue this for the CLOCAL and hUPCL flags (but *only* for those -- for all other flags, you are in fact correct). I'd also put forth Sun and SVR4 serial drivers as arguments on my behalf. > > The "mgetty" program is bad. > > I tend to have quite a different opinion here :) 8-). > > It should not succeed in the open > > without DCD present; this prevents the port for being used for > > dialout without killing the "mgetty". > > This is *WRONG* (dammit). If the programs create proper UUCP lock files, > they can dial out while mgetty is running without any difficulties. > > Admitted, they must not use a different device in the tty/cua device pair, > but as long as the same device is used, shared dial-in/dial-out is very > easy. How do you prevent the mgetty read from reading the responses from the modem to the dialout program when you must post the read after the open and before the appearance of the lockfile? Failing out is a bad method of handling this. Again, I'll admit that it's the only option you have with the brain dead serial drivers you are working with to get the functionality you want to provide. > > The correct way to open the port without DCD present is to use the > > O_NDELAY flag; this has the side effect of setting no delay on reads, > > when you probably do not want this,... > > Huh?? Now I am really puzzled. Did you *EVER* *LOOK* at mgetty? mgetty > *does* open the port with O_NDELAY. Did from the very first release. I was describing the partial open hack, which was first introduced in SVR3.2 with HDB UUCP (the same time kill 0 was introduced). > Naturally, CLOCAL has to be set as well, because many serial drivers won't > read from the device, even if the open() has succeeded, if CLOCAL is unset > and DCD hasn't been raised yet. Not true. All SVRx drivers and All Xenix drivers (except for an early release of Xenix 2.3.0, and Intel 320 serial drivers on a rev B serial board when accessed over Intel OpenNet) are succeptable to the partial open hack. You open the port without O_NDELAY. This doesn't open the port because DCD is not present; however, if the O_EXCL bt was used on the previous open, this will unset it. You alarm out of the open (or close it if it succeeds). Then you open the port O_NDELAY. This allows you to open the port without DCD being present. You save this fd. You open the port without O_NDELAY. The open succeeds because the port already has an open in it. For those interested, this was first done in sys2.c in SVR3.2 at about line 318. If the 12 lines dealing with O_EXCL in this area had been moved down another 22 lines, the first open to unset O_EXCL would not have been necessary. You close the original descriptor and use the second descriptor to access the port. If you have Xenix 2.3.0, then you will have to close and reopen the port on DCD loss, otherwise, you are fine from here on out. This is called "the partial open hack", where the blocking open is allowed to succeed because you already have the port "partiall open". This is all well documented in the HDB UUCP sources (and badly documented in the UNIX programming manuals). > > ...with no way to unset them. > > Nonsense. Ever read the manpage of fcntl() in recent Unixoid systems? > You *can* reset O_NDELAY (or O_NONBLOCK, definitions differ) with > fcntl(), and it works very well on Linux, Free/NetBSD, BSDI, SVR3/4, > SunOS, Solaris, you-name-it-all. Even on the AT&T 3B1 UnixPC! Early Xenix (whose I/O was based on V7), Microport, and Cubix (a modified Microport) was not succeptable to this. Neither was SVR3.1. The Altos 2000 "multidrop" serial boards, which used a single event queue for reads, writes, and ioctl()'s (requiring that you use multiple processes as reader and writer -- startlingly similar to pre 5.2 VMS serial I/O) would block the fcntl() indefinitely, although it worked fine on internal serial ports. The fcntl(0 was totally unsupported on Intel OpenNet both on the Intel 310 and 320, and was also not supported via Touch communications OpenNet implementation for PrimeOS. > > The correct procedure is to: open with O_NDELAY, open a second time > > without O_NDELAY (the second open will not block because there is > > already an open on the port), and close the first open. This is > > called "the partial open hack", but in reality it is not a hack > > (unless you consider the overloading of O_NDELAY in the first place > > a hack). > > Well.... one could do this on systems where fcntl() isn't able to reset > O_NDELAY, but I've never seen one. I'll introduce you some day, if you are anywhere nealy as interested in hardware antiquities as I am. 8-). > Very old SCO Unix variants are rumored to have a bug in open() that will > make this necessary as well, but I have compiled and run mgetty on a SCO > Unix 3.2v2.0 machine (about five years old), and never seen any problem. Yeah, that was the Xenix 2.3.0 bug. > > The "mgetty" program should be rewritten to use an open flag that > > causes the open to hang until a "ring indicate" signal is seen > > instead od waiting for DCD. The driver should be rewritten to > > accomodate this. > > That is an interesting (and very reasonable!) approach. It has been > suggested by other very competent persons before. Yeah, I never claimed it wa my original idea. 8-). > Unfortunately, de-facto standards make this impossible. Many multiport > cards don't even wire the RI line anywhere. No commercial unix vendor will > support this. So, are you really willing to sacrifice portability here? The portability sacrafice buys directed dialout capability -- I think it's worth the effort. The alternative is to forego the mgetty advantages in fax sharing for a fax modem and a lot of other things I'd actually rather not give up, as long as I don't have to get a second modem and phone line to dial out reliably. The only real difference in the BSD approach is the calling unit device, and that's just a cosmetic niceity to avoid all of the lockfile compatability grap that even Pete Honeyman got wron on one occasion... > > Then the "mgetty" should do it's reads normally; > > an alarm should be set so that if DCD (a "CONNECT" message) does > > not occur within a set period of time, the mgetty closes the port > > and reissues the open. > > This approach won't work too good. It's better to monitor the port for > "good" (CONNECT) and "bad" (NO CARRIER) strings. Reason: if you want to > do a timeout, it has to be quite long, to accomodate the time until the > desired number of RINGs (S0) and the maximum no-connect time (S7) has > passed. This gives a large time frame to collide with outgoing processes. I considered that, but the problem here is that you won't necessarily get a "NO CARRIER" as a result of a hangup after a RI but before the modem has actually answered the phone. The only way to reliably make the thing let go of the line so it can be used for an outgoing call after it grabs it is to either have it voluntarily let go after a timeout or you can murder the thing from user space. A lot of serial drivers, especially SCO, even the most recent ones, have bad code handling of the RTS/CTS flow control, such that if it is enabled but isn't present (for instance, an older Microcomm modem, to name one of several), it will hang the driver. SunOS pre 4.1.3 has this problem in a big way, and it was quite easy to get it into a wierd state where you need to reboot to fix it. > Final exams... second half... limited time... bad mood... stop... :) 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 17:58:25 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA26830 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:58:25 -0700 Received: from tinman.mke.ab.com (tinman.mke.ab.com [130.151.82.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA26822 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:58:22 -0700 Received: from @tinman.mke.ab.com ([130.151.92.124]) by tinman.mke.ab.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA11714 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:58:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:58:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199504260058.TAA11714@tinman.mke.ab.com> X-Sender: eaparis@tinman.mke.ab.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@FreeBSD.org From: eaparis@tinman.mke.ab.com (Eloy A. Paris) Subject: Just three questions Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there. First of all I would like to thank you for the excellent work you are doing with FreeBSD. I am really impressed and I am thinking of installing it in our office as a SMTP server (among other great things.) To be honest, right now I am evaluating also Linux but I am biased towards FreeBSD and if I decide to use Linux it will be only because, apparently, Linux supports more hardware than FreeBSD does. However, I do not like many things about Linux. I will try (I am not promissing it) to make a small report about what I like/dislike from FreeBSD and Linux and give a copy to you. Anyway, right now I have three questions: 1) Are the IBM and National PCMCIA cards the only PCMCIA cards than can be used in FreeBSD?. I know that Xircom cards (the one I have) are not supported but it happens that I have a Megahertz modem that I am not able to use I do not know why. In the documentation, the FAQs, the WWW site and other places I have not seen anything about other PCMCIA cards. 2) Why when I type the command "man " it takes so long to display the corresponding manual page?. In Linux and other UNIX systems as well, that is very fast. 3) Is it okay to make this kind of questions here or should I go to a specific Newsgroup?. I know you are busy people that are working very hard. Ohhh... I almost forgot: I have a NEC Versa V/50 Laptop with 20 MBytes of RAM and 540 MBytes of hardrive space. The Versa V/50 has an Intel 80486@50 MHz. FreeBSD runs pretty fine here. Thanks in advance for your time. Eloy.- -- Eloy A. Paris Allen-Bradley de Venezuela "Los poderosos nos parecen grandes solo porque estamos de rodillas, levantemonos!!!" Carlos Marx From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 18:03:09 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA27089 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:03:09 -0700 Received: from YALPH1.physics.yale.edu (yalph1.physics.yale.edu [130.132.48.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA27082 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:03:05 -0700 From: LAJOIE@yalph2.physics.yale.edu Received: from yalph2.physics.yale.edu by yalph2.physics.yale.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #8220) id <01HPRQ6B9HQ29GV5B3@yalph2.physics.yale.edu>; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 21:05:08 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 21:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BOCA AT Plus memory board To: questions@FreeBSD.org Reply-to: LAJOIE@yalph2.physics.yale.edu Message-id: <01HPRQ6B9HQ49GV5B3@yalph2.physics.yale.edu> X-VMS-To: in%"questions@FreeBSD.org" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm looking to add memory to my machine - I've got 8 SIMM sockets, all filled with 1Megx9 (60ns) - and I'd like to do it without losing the investment in the 1Meg SIMMS. I've seen an expansion board by BOCA that claims DOS and OS/2 compatability and sits on the ISA bus. Would something like this be compatible with FreeBSD? Does anyone know how these boards work, and are they a reasonable solution? Thanks for the info... John Lajoie Yale University Physics Department lajoie@yalph1.physics.yale.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 18:07:10 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA27376 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:07:10 -0700 Received: from ain.charm.net (ain.charm.net [198.69.35.206]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA27360 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:06:54 -0700 Received: (from nc@localhost) by ain.charm.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA00845; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 21:00:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 21:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: Brian Tao cc: Don Dunbar , questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SLIP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, Brian Tao wrote: > Then slug it out on your own and write a better one. With an > attitude like that, I wouldn't help you out if you paid me. > Some of us might help him if he paid. ;-) -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 18:32:02 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA28771 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:32:02 -0700 Received: from mg1.cdsnet.net (mrcpu@mg1.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA28725 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:31:25 -0700 Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by mg1.cdsnet.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id SAA13457; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:31:17 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: Allyn Hardyck cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: fsck In-Reply-To: <199504251510.LAA01926@jupiter.avsi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Because on reboot, the file systems aren't mounted, so there are no processes out there with files open on the disk, nothing is being modified (no file creation, deletion, etc). When /etc/daily runs, processes are accessing the disk, and things are changing out from underneath fsck even as it checks. On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, Allyn Hardyck wrote: > I'm wondering why on reboot fsck seems to think the filesystems are > clean, yet in the /etc/daily output there seem to be a lot of > incorrect clean flags and unreferenced files. > > Thanks - Allyn Hardyck > From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 18:41:19 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA29257 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:41:19 -0700 Received: from grep.cs.fsu.edu (grep.cs.fsu.edu [128.186.121.152]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA29245 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:41:06 -0700 Received: by grep.cs.fsu.edu (8.6.9/56) id VAA05996; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 21:41:01 -0400 From: Gang-Ryung Uh Message-Id: <199504260141.VAA05996@grep.cs.fsu.edu> Subject: Colorado 250MB To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 21:41:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1517 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have been trying all sorts of config combination to make my kernel to be able to probe the Colorado 250MB tape drive. I have 1.44MB 3.5in drive & Colorado tape drive which are connected to on-board floppy controller (my machine does not have 5.25in drive.) Following is my entry in the kernel config for that floppy controller: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 tape ft0 at fdc0 drive 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (Believe or not I tried all possible combination of assinging drive numbers to each drive... Also I tried the rebuilt kernel with commenting the entry fd1. But I could not succeed on that matter.) Following is the information during the boot process: --------------------------------------- fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: [0: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in] --------------------------------------- As you realize only my 3.5in floppy drive is configured. If you have similar experinece like me, would you respond me on this matter? By the way I am running FreeBSD2.0R.. I am also wondering whether my case is known problem in FreeBSD2.0 or not. Thanks. Regards, --Uh ---------------------- Uh Gang-Ryung e-mail: uh@cs.fsu.edu Work Phone: 644-3366 ---------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 19:12:29 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA00552 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:12:29 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA00526 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:12:09 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA03771; Tue, 25 Apr 95 20:05:34 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504260205.AA03771@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Just three questions To: eaparis@tinman.mke.ab.com (Eloy A. Paris) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 20:05:34 MDT Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199504260058.TAA11714@tinman.mke.ab.com> from "Eloy A. Paris" at Apr 25, 95 07:58:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 1) Are the IBM and National PCMCIA cards the only PCMCIA cards than can be > used in FreeBSD?. I know that Xircom cards (the one I have) are not > supported but it happens that I have a Megahertz modem that I am not able to > use I do not know why. In the documentation, the FAQs, the WWW site and > other places I have not seen anything about other PCMCIA cards. I'm not sure about this. It may be an architectural issue with the idea of PCMCIA "enablers" or you may just be using less-than-current code. > 2) Why when I type the command "man " it takes so long to display > the corresponding manual page?. In Linux and other UNIX systems as well, > that is very fast. You have a laptop and you have to ask? 8-). The man pages are stored compressed and preformmatted, but the first time you use them, it has to format them up. This is to save you disk spce in general. You may want to turn off the compression, and if you are a glutton, preformat all of them. I believe there are option on the man configuration files that deal with this -- do a "man man" and look for the "Files" section. > 3) Is it okay to make this kind of questions here or should I go to a > specific Newsgroup?. I know you are busy people that are working very hard. The questions list is what this is for, although there is talk about revamping the whole thing to offer better/faster/more personal support. Stay tuned! Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 19:19:54 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA00827 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:19:54 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA00820 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:19:43 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA03836; Tue, 25 Apr 95 20:13:13 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504260213.AA03836@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: X configuration To: splyaski@cmp.com (Plyaskin Sergey) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 20:13:13 MDT Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <2F9DA637@mailgate.cmp.com> from "Plyaskin Sergey" at Apr 25, 95 06:46:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I have a short question. Where do I configure the initial settings for X > (e.g. number of windows, their sizes and position on the screen)? From my > past Sun experience, I recall something like .XDefaults. Where is it here? I > run twm. /usr/X11R?/lib/X11/XF86Config There are man pages for XF86, XFree, X, and the particular server you are using (or there were). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 19:19:44 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA00819 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:19:44 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA00807 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:19:28 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA29650; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:18:10 +0800 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:18:09 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Network Coordinator cc: Don Dunbar , questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SLIP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, Network Coordinator wrote: > > Some of us might help him if he paid. ;-) I suppose every man has his price. :) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 20:02:26 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA02684 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:02:26 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA02676 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:02:21 -0700 Received: (from seidl@localhost) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA06400 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:02:32 -0700 Received: from acad2.ac.edu (ACAD2.ac.edu [134.224.1.69]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA05172 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 17:33:19 -0700 Received: by acad2.ac.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA11150; Tue, 25 Apr 95 20:25:15 -0400 From: csc40110@acad2.ac.edu (Brian V Hendricks) Message-Id: <9504260025.AA11150@acad2.ac.edu> Subject: Re: Free BSD your question as to my cdrom To: seidl@cdrom.com (Matthew L. Seidl) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:25:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199504241708.KAA11263@wc.cdrom.com> from "Matthew L. Seidl" at Apr 24, 95 10:08:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 388 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am running the CDRom that came with my sound card. That is a Pro Audio Spectrum 16 sound card. The hard drives are indeed IDE. What about the caching controller card? It does cause problems in OS/2 WindowsNt, Windows 95(if it ever gets released.) I wonder will it cause problems with FreeBSD. Thanx Signed Brian Hendricks. Also hoping that gradschools will accept me. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 20:36:50 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA04450 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:36:50 -0700 Received: from tinman.mke.ab.com (tinman.mke.ab.com [130.151.82.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA04441 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:36:46 -0700 Received: from slip1.mke.ab.com (slip1.mke.ab.com [130.151.114.10]) by tinman.mke.ab.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id WAA12200; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 22:36:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 22:36:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199504260336.WAA12200@tinman.mke.ab.com> X-Sender: eaparis@tinman.mke.ab.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) From: eaparis@tinman.mke.ab.com (Eloy A. Paris) Subject: Re: Just three questions Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Terry. Thank you very much for you answer. It was appreciated. >I'm not sure about this. It may be an architectural issue with the >idea of PCMCIA "enablers" or you may just be using less-than-current >code. Actually, I am using the last snapshot (4/12/95 I think.) When I boot, the system correctly displays the card ID string (Megahertz Modem bla bla bla) stored in the PCMCIA card but after that I do not know what to do and how to access my modem. I do not see any ze0 device anywhere. >You have a laptop and you have to ask? 8-). Is it fast enough in your desktop PC?. >You may want to turn off the compression, and if you are a glutton, >preformat all of them. No thanks!!! ;-) >I believe there are option on the man configuration files that deal >with this -- do a "man man" and look for the "Files" section. Anyway, thanks for this information. I will keep it in mind if I find more hard disk space. >The questions list is what this is for, although there is talk about >revamping the whole thing to offer better/faster/more personal support. OK, I got it. At the beginning I thought this was read just by the FreeBSD team. I did not know this was a list. >Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present >or previous employers. I say the same ;-). See ya. Eloy.- -- Eloy A. Paris Allen-Bradley de Venezuela "Los poderosos nos parecen grandes solo porque estamos de rodillas, levantemonos!!!" Carlos Marx From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 20:54:13 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA05344 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:54:13 -0700 Received: from nyssa.wa7ipx.ampr.org (nyssa.alphasoft.com [198.187.188.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA05331 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:54:03 -0700 Received: from lingua7 by nyssa.wa7ipx.ampr.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0s3xvK-0003VVC; Tue, 25 Apr 95 20:37 PDT Received: by work.bellingham.wa.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #17) id m0s3wX6-0000TsC; Tue, 25 Apr 95 19:08 PDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 19:08 PDT From: steve@work.bellingham.wa.us To: terry@cs.weber.edu CC: gert@greenie.muc.de, timb@thud.cdrom.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, neko@greenie.muc.de, knarf@nasim.cube.net, mgetty@muc.de In-reply-to: <9504260048.AA03107@cs.weber.edu> (terry@cs.weber.edu) Subject: Re: Discussion about mgetty... Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Terry" == Terry Lambert writes: Terry> [...] thereby Terry> precluding use of the port for bidirectional (both incoming Terry> and outbound) use. What exactly aren't you listening to? I am only one of hundreds of mgetty users who use their modems "for bidirectional (both incoming and outbound) use" daily. If a voice call comes in and I'm not in the office, vgetty takes a message like an answering machine -- then hangs up and dials my pager. If a data or fax call rings, the fax is received, or a login prompt is presented. When my UUCP system decides to poll, it just polls -- blocking on a locked port (UUCP lock) if something or somebody else is using the modem. When I run Netscape from a Windows computer elsewhere in my office, diald 0.7 connects to my ISP to bring me on line. This doesn't seem like much of a kludge to me. It seems like an extremely flexible system, and one that to my knowledge could only have been implemented using mgetty. Steven Work Renaissance Labs +1 360 647-1833, fax too steve@work.bellingham.wa.us From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Apr 25 23:36:19 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA10400 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 23:36:19 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA10394 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 23:36:17 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-6) id AA18079; Wed, 26 Apr 95 08:34:34 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id IAA24252; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:45:00 +0200 Message-Id: <199504260645.IAA24252@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: X configuration To: splyaski@cmp.com (Plyaskin Sergey) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:44:59 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <2F9DA637@mailgate.cmp.com> from "Plyaskin Sergey" at Apr 25, 95 06:46:00 pm From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 974 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I have a short question. Where do I configure the initial settings for X > (e.g. number of windows, their sizes and position on the screen)? From my > past Sun experience, I recall something like .XDefaults. Where is it here? I > run twm. > It depends a bit whether you are running X from the startx command or whether X is started from xdm. In the former case the system wide /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc takes care for this. You can override this file by having your own .xinitrc in your home directory. In the latter case you can create a .xsession (as a copy of xinitrc) and put the appropriate commands in there. Any errors occuring during start of your session can be found in .xsession-errors. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0.950418-SNAP FreeBSD 2.0.950418-SNAP #0: Sat Apr 22 04:33:25 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de:/ usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 02:23:40 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA17588 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 02:23:40 -0700 Received: from colin.muc.de (colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA17566 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 02:22:29 -0700 Received: from greenie.muc.de ([193.174.4.62]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <25544-2>; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:26:37 +0200 Received: by greenie.muc.de (/\==/\ Smail3.1.24.1 #24.2) id ; Wed, 26 Apr 95 10:26 MEST Message-Id: From: gert@greenie.muc.de (Gert Doering) Subject: Re: Discussion about mgetty... To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:26:12 +0200 Cc: timb@thud.cdrom.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, neko@greenie.muc.de, knarf@nasim.cube.net, mgetty@muc.de In-Reply-To: <9504260048.AA03107@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Apr 26, 95 02:48:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 22341 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Terry Lambert wrote: > It wasn't intended as an attack, Good (since that usually leads to bad blood and no more). > it's just that there seems to be a > trade between dialout capability and mgetty capabilities. I don't think so. Dialout has to be done a little bit differently, but (usually) isn't harmed by mgetty. > I'm more than willing to discuss any of this; the problems I see in > mgetty and which I reported in the posting are primarily the result > of mgetty trying to solve a problem for which OS support should exist > but doesn't. The problems aren't directly attributable to mgetty itself, > although it suffers from them as a result of the OS deficiencies. Agreed. > > [ &D2 vs. &D3 ] > I screwed this one up. It was retracted in a followup posting; I was > looking at a multimodem 224E manual when quoting this, and it wasn't > quite hayes compatible. Which is only a minor issue anyway (at least for those people that can read modem manuals). > > > The practical effect of the /dev/cua0/cua1 device will be the setting > > > of the terminal modes HUPCL and -CLOCAL; you should log in through the > > > modem and type "stty -a" to make sure these settings are present. > > > > Well, many (that is, *all I know of*) getty programs set the termio(s) > > values to something sane anyway. It's getty's purpose to set them, not to > > rely on some driver defaults. > > Most drivers do templating, and the templating in BSD modem control > drivers in a traditional (ie: Sun) implementation sets these flags. Most > of the gettytab definitions don't permit these settings to be changed. Doesn't BSD getty modify the defaults anyway to something "sane", and then modifies *this* according to the gettytab? I have to admit I didn't look into the BSD getty sources ever, I just know SysV and some free getties, and they all do. [..] > Traditionally, the CLOCAL and HUPCL flags are not settable nor are set > by the getty program because of adverse effects; specifically, the > setting of CLOCAL to -CLOCAL without carrier present will (is suppose > to) result in the same effect on the device as if there had been A DCD > loss on a line where DCD was present. Yes, agreed. This does happen on a number of platforms, and for that reason, mgetty takes care to make sure DCD is present before clearing CLOCAL. > The setting of -HUPCL to HUPCL can result in the deivce acting as if it > had been closed and dropping DTR to the modem, potentiall severing the > active connection. In general, it is not permissable to change these > "meta" flags while the modem is on line. Hmmm. I just checked mgetty's sources, it doesn't change the HUPCL settings at all. On port initialization, HUPCL is set, and it's never modified before calling /bin/login. I haven't seen a system lowering DTR when modifying the HUPCL state yet, but I don't take any riscs there either. [..] > This is acceptable for dialout because dialout programs are not the > process for the dialout line is the controlling tty. This is because > correct operation requires that a call-in caller calling out on a > seperate modem from the one dialed in on *must* correctly lose his > session when the connection between his modem and the machine is lost, > and resetting the controlling tty would preclude SIGHUP delivery, since > each process mah have only one controlling tty. I *have* seen a few processes (namely a pppd) that insists on taking the dial-out tty as controlling tty (to get a SIGHUP if that line gets lost), but besides that, I agree. > Similarly, it is typical in a hard-writed terminal connection to wire > terminal DTR to serial port DCD so that if the terminal is powered off > (as a typical end user might do at the end of the day), security is > maintained by destroying the user's connection to the machine by > allowing the session for a direct connected terminal to honor -CLOCAL > seperately from HUPCL. Sure. > > > In incorrectly configured program (ie: mgetty) could result in the > > > flags being set incorrectly after login. > > > > What do you mean by that? mgetty does definitely set HUPCL and -CLOCAL > > (I'm not *that* dumb). It did from the very first release. > > > > Did you ever try it? > > Yes, I did. Well, ok, but how can you make statements like this? All the flags are set properly according to your definition (if not locked in the serial driver). > The problem I have is in the opening of the port prior to > a connection being present, thereby precluding use of the port for ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > bidirectional (both incoming and outbound) use. No, that's not true. I use mgetty for dial-in and uucico/sendfax/kermit for parallel dialout on the same line on a large number of systems (FreeBSD 1.1.5 among them), and it *works*. [..] > > informational and logging purposes. One of mgetty's big advantages is that > > the user can always exactly see in the log files which state the modem > > was/is in, and what did exactly happen when. > > This is an advantage for non-bidirectional use. However, in bidirectional > prot implementation, when an incomming port open has succeeded, then an > outgoing open will be blocked until the connection goes away (or if it > is opened with O_NDELAY, the open will return EWOULDBLOCK). Yes, I know that. To handle this properly requires additional work in mgetty, which is quite simple after all: 1. mgetty open()s the port and uucp-locks it. 2. mgetty initializes the modem 3. the uucp-lock is removed 4. mgetty select()s on the tty, to wait for "something to happen". 5. mgetty tries to uucp-lock the port. Success -> 6a, Failure ->6b. 6a. locking succeeded. mgetty waits for RING, sends ATA, waits for CONNECT, prints /etc/issue, waits for the user login name, calls /bin/login. 6b. locking failed. *DIALOUT* in process. 7b. mgetty closes all filedescriptors to the serial tty (which won't cause a DTR drop, since the dialout process has the line open) 8b. mgetty patiently waits for the UUCP Lock file to go away 9b. mgetty exits, and init restarts it. This is somewhat simplified, but should give you a good idea, why it *does* work, as long as all programs honour the UUCP locking conventions. > > > The ability to open without DCD present is a real > > > problem, in that it defeats the purpose of a calling unit device [..] > And then make the "uugetty" (or in this case the "mgetty') wait for > a carriage return following DCD before emitting a login, and allowing > [some complaining about uugetty removed] > This is clearly much more of a kludge than having device synonyms with > implied (and therefore more reliable) locking in the kernel. Your description of uugetty's inner workings are (mostly) correct. Nevertheless I (and others) think device locking belongs into usermode, not into kernel mode, because of the greater flexibility gained by this. The benefits of direct modem control *are* there, and since they do not harm dial-out (well, the cost a few cpu milliseconds checking for the dialout process), why not use it? (One of the major difference between mgetty and uugetty is that mgetty doesn't "wait for CR" but select()s, which doesn't steal characters from dial-out processes). > > > and thereby thwarts the normal modem login sequence. > > It doesn't. Ever heard the term "uugetty"? > Yes. See above why it is a kludge. Anyway, what I meant was, this *is* part of the "normal" modem login sequence, as invented by the powers that invented uugetty... [..] > > > 1) The modem comes on; the computer is not in multiuser > > > mode, so DTR is not asserted. The mode will not > > > answer the phone until DTR is asserted. > > > > What do you do if your machine crashes, leaving DTR asserted? It *does* > > happen occasionally. If you have a modem that auto-answers, your modem > > will pick up the phone, and the callers will have to pay to the Telco... > > You fix the hardware. You're right, that approach is even better. Nevertheless, having some additional conceptional(!) protection against faults somewhere is a GoodThing. > > > 12) Like other input prior to DCD being present, this data > > > is ignored. > > > > And now, we come to a far more important problem: to have the maximum > > flexibility, you have to be able to cope with modems that raise DCD > > *before* sending the CONNECT string. There are *many* of them around, > > and with a "classic" approach, you can only handle them if you switch > > off modem responses (which is nasty for parallel dial-outs). > > I disagree. The Tandy DT400 does this, but it's ^N escape character > makes it useless for binary file transmission anyway. The AT&T 4024 > series of modems also do this by default, but it is programmable and > thus you can get rid of the behaviour. You disagree? I haven't looked into it recently, but there's so many ill-behaving modem junk around that it's very likely some cheap mass-product (shall I say "Rockwell"?) will get this wrong. And what will you do then? Better modems, e.g. the ZyXEL series, have flags to control the DCD behaviour. Nevertheless this is an additional source for mistakes when setting up the modem, so why bother caring for the DCD timing at all? > Reporting connect AFTER connect but before DCD has been raised to the > computer is mandated by the Hayes standard. Hmmm. I'd like to see that in written form somewhere. Besides, I know how many modem manufacturers feel about "standards"... > Other than the examples above, I think you'd be hard pressed to find > modems which do this that can not be reconfigured to *NOT* do it. You have a point here -- I can't name any one either. But I'm fairly sure there are. I've seen *that* many broken modems... > > BTW: in this step, you can as well do the distinction whether the incoming > > call was a FAX or DATA call, and handle both accordingly. Major plus for > > mgetty and FlexFax. > > I understand that. Again, that's the unidirectional soloution. The > correct way to handle it would be to not allow the open to complete in > the kernel until a RI is seen, and set the modem for 2 rings to ensure > that one is sent to the computer before the modem answers. This is a > kernel driver problem in that there is not (currently) a flag to open > to cause this behaviour. Well, what's the gain if you have the modem auto-answer? One could combine your and my solution to this: * the open() sleeps until RI is seen. * RI is seen, the open() completes, x-getty takes control of the modem, waiting for desired number of RING messages * x-getty sends ATA, handles CONNECT/+FCON properly -- you don't lose anything by not doing auto-answer, but you gain a lot. Now that would be really nice... if it wasn't too late to get this done. > On the other hand, if the open has competed prior to an attempt to > connect to the machine, the only alternative for an outbound connection > program is to open the port itself and *manually* kill off the mgetty ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > (requiring the acquisition of apropriate priveledges to make this a ^^^^^^^^^^ > realistic alternative). This is worse than just a kludge, it's a blatant > security hole. What??? You are talking complete nonsense here (sorry). Mgetty will give up the port peacefully when a dialout is detected. No need for and special privileges (except rw-access to the device and the UUCP lock directory). You are right insofar as this *is* a (minor) problem, since all the programs have to agree to use the same device and the same lock file name and format. [..] > > *If* it has to be done, then, by all means, read the CONNECT string and > > handle it the way it is meant to be. > Sure, as long as that read is not pending except during the connection > attempt itself so I don't have to buy a second modem and phone line to > be able to dial out. You don't have to. I have three modem lines, and use all of them happily for dial-in and dial-out. [..] > The only other alternative, as you pointed out, is locking the DTE > baud rate and accepting the problems that come with doing that instead. Or parse the CONNECT message for the connection speed (but I do not like *that* because it isn't 100 per cent reliable for different reasons either). > [ dislike for cryptic configuration files ] > We agree here. 8-). Good :) > > > [Modem connection failing immediately after CONNECT] > > [ not echoing RING / CONNECT back ] > I agree that it should not be echoed; how you arrive at not echoing it > is another thing altogether. Whether it's because the computer is not > in a state that it can echo things back because it is watching for wire > signals or it's because there's a read posted without the line being in > a cannonical processing mode to not echo it is irrelevant. Agreed. > What *is* > relevant is whether the approach you chose screws with your ability to > use the hardware the way you want to use it (ie: for dialout). It doesn't :) You may have to change a few applications to honour the uucp locking protocol, but besides that, you won't have to undergo any efforts. > > > If the mgetty incorrectly sets CLOCAL or -HUPCL in its effort to > > > open the port without DCD being present, ... > > > > It doesn't. Well, it does, but as soon as carrier is present, the CLOCAL > > flag is reset, and the -HUPCL flag is set. There *is* a small time window > > (about 50-100 ms or so) where the DCD line is high, but CLOCAL is still > > set, but if the connection is lost in that place, mgetty will notice as > > well (doesn't have to rely on SIGHUP here). > > Agreed -- on the other hand, it relies on the driver not acting quirky > on port settings changes (many older drivers do). Hmmm. I've seen a lot "quirky" things in serial drivers, but the only thing that happens regularily on changing serial flags is flushing of the input or output buffers -- which doesn't harm me, since I there isn't anything in either buffer when I change settings (unless the user has fallen on his keyboard, in which case it won't matter either). Quirks like SunOS' broken hardware handshake and such won't hurt me here. Do you have an example of such a broken driver with its "quirks" for me? I'd like to know whether there are machines where my approach won't work. [..] > > > ... this will prevent normal operation. > > Normal operation isn't touched by this in any way. > > Normal dialout operation when a connection is not present, but while > mgetty has a non-echoing read posted that will prevent a dialout program > from communicating with the modem. Not true, since mgetty doesn't read(). It does select(), which won't "steal" any characters. > > > If the mgetty/getty is started on a tty device instead of a cua device, > > > the default port settings will not include -CLOCAL and HUPCL, and > > > the connection will not behave as expected. > > > > Who cares for default settings? It's getty's *JOB* to set the termios > > settings to something specific, not to rely on the defaults. > > > > Mgetty very well knows about possibly-wrong defaults and sets the flags > > properly. > > I'd argue this for the CLOCAL and hUPCL flags (but *only* for those -- for > all other flags, you are in fact correct). I'd also put forth Sun and > SVR4 serial drivers as arguments on my behalf. I never doubted that you are right concerning the default settings of HUPCL and CLOCAL, and maybe the ignorance of their state on some BSD getty. I *do* say that mgetty does set the flags properly, regardless of the defaults the port set to at open(). (mgetty didn't do that all the time, but has matured quite a lot...) [..] > > > It should not succeed in the open > > > without DCD present; this prevents the port for being used for > > > dialout without killing the "mgetty". > > > > This is *WRONG* (dammit). If the programs create proper UUCP lock files, > > they can dial out while mgetty is running without any difficulties. > How do you prevent the mgetty read from reading the responses from the > modem to the dialout program when you must post the read after the open > and before the appearance of the lockfile? I use select() or poll() where it is available and working. If neither is, I have to fall back to read(), which will eat away a few characters from the dialout process (which *is* bad). Nevertheless, even with read(), by using something like AT OK-AT-OK-AT-OK in the dialout programs chat script, you can easily work around this. [..] > Again, I'll admit that it's the only option you have with the brain dead > serial drivers you are working with to get the functionality you want to > provide. Ok. I think we agree that quite a lot in the serial drivers could have been better thought out. I think your main point of criticism boils down to your assumption that mgetty will prevent parallel dial-outs, unless "killed away" with some "ungetty" method, which isn't true under normal circumstances. > > > The correct way to open the port without DCD present is to use the > > > O_NDELAY flag; this has the side effect of setting no delay on reads, > > > when you probably do not want this,... > > > > Huh?? Now I am really puzzled. Did you *EVER* *LOOK* at mgetty? mgetty > > *does* open the port with O_NDELAY. Did from the very first release. > > I was describing the partial open hack, which was first introduced in > SVR3.2 with HDB UUCP (the same time kill 0 was introduced). Ummm, I understood this as "this is the proper way, and mgetty doesn't do it that way!" -- that's why I reacted that way. > > Naturally, CLOCAL has to be set as well, because many serial drivers won't > > read from the device, even if the open() has succeeded, if CLOCAL is unset > > and DCD hasn't been raised yet. > > Not true. All SVRx drivers and All Xenix drivers (except for an early > release of Xenix 2.3.0, and Intel 320 serial drivers on a rev B serial > board when accessed over Intel OpenNet) are succeptable to the partial > open hack. Uh? Ah. Reading on, I see that you're mainly talking about O_EXCL, which doesn't apply here (since mgetty doesn't use it at all). I still don't see why the partial open hack should be needed anymore, as long as O_EXCL isn't used. > > > ...with no way to unset them. > > Nonsense. Ever read the manpage of fcntl() in recent Unixoid systems? > > You *can* reset O_NDELAY (or O_NONBLOCK, definitions differ) with > > fcntl(), and it works very well on Linux, Free/NetBSD, BSDI, SVR3/4, > > SunOS, Solaris, you-name-it-all. Even on the AT&T 3B1 UnixPC! > > Early Xenix (whose I/O was based on V7), Microport, and Cubix (a modified > Microport) was not succeptable to this. Neither was SVR3.1. Hmmm. I have to admit I didn't try it on those systems yet (does anybody know what kind of unix the AT&T 3B1 UnixPC is? Is it 3.1 or 3.2? fcntl() works definitely that way there). > The Altos > 2000 "multidrop" serial boards, which used a single event queue for reads, > writes, and ioctl()'s (requiring that you use multiple processes as reader > and writer -- startlingly similar to pre 5.2 VMS serial I/O) would block > the fcntl() indefinitely, although it worked fine on internal serial ports. > The fcntl(0 was totally unsupported on Intel OpenNet both on the Intel > 310 and 320, and was also not supported via Touch communications OpenNet > implementation for PrimeOS. What are all those systems? I've never heard about anyone still using them. (That is, noone ever asked me whether mgetty will run there, and I haven't seen one of them myself yet) > > > The correct procedure is to: open with O_NDELAY, open a second time > > > without O_NDELAY (the second open will not block because there is [..] > > Well.... one could do this on systems where fcntl() isn't able to reset > > O_NDELAY, but I've never seen one. > I'll introduce you some day, if you are anywhere nealy as interested in > hardware antiquities as I am. 8-). Well, I am, maybe not that much, but nevertheless (I still have + use my old Commodore 64 :) ). Anyway, I don't really think that problems with this old systems should be used to consider nowaday's programming techniques. [..] > > > The "mgetty" program should be rewritten to use an open flag that > > > causes the open to hang until a "ring indicate" signal is seen > > > instead od waiting for DCD. The driver should be rewritten to > > > accomodate this. > > That is an interesting (and very reasonable!) approach. It has been > > suggested by other very competent persons before. > Yeah, I never claimed it wa my original idea. 8-). Why *hasn't* it been implemented somewhere? > > Unfortunately, de-facto standards make this impossible. Many multiport > > cards don't even wire the RI line anywhere. No commercial unix vendor will > > support this. So, are you really willing to sacrifice portability here? > > The portability sacrafice buys directed dialout capability Ummm... we disagree here, I have the dialout capability already :) It will make things cleaner, though. [..] > The only real difference in the BSD approach is the calling unit device, > and that's just a cosmetic niceity to avoid all of the lockfile compatability > grap that even Pete Honeyman got wron on one occasion... Lots of other people did so as well, and this *is* quite annoying :( Anyway, tell me when the *BSD driver supports a RI flag, and I'll try to adapt mgetty accordingly. [..] > A lot of serial drivers, especially SCO, even the most recent ones, have > bad code handling of the RTS/CTS flow control, such that if it is enabled > but isn't present (for instance, an older Microcomm modem, to name one of > several), it will hang the driver. SunOS pre 4.1.3 has this problem in > a big way, and it was quite easy to get it into a wierd state where you > need to reboot to fix it. Agreed. Having an additional timeout is definitely a GoodThing. gert -- Final exams... second half... limited time... bad mood... stop... :) //www.muc.de/~gert Gert Doering - Munich, Germany gert@greenie.muc.de fax: +49-89-3244814 gert.doering@physik.tu-muenchen.de From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 04:48:11 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA20950 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 04:48:11 -0700 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA20877 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 04:44:45 -0700 Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wong@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.18.7]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id NAA16365; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:43:32 +0200 From: Wolfgang Jung Received: (wong@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA09936; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:43:24 +0200 Message-Id: <199504261143.NAA09936@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Discussion about mgetty... To: gert@greenie.muc.de (Gert Doering) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:43:22 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, timb@thud.cdrom.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, neko@greenie.muc.de, knarf@nasim.cube.net, mgetty@muc.de In-Reply-To: from "Gert Doering" at Apr 25, 95 11:45:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gert Doering [...] > > The practical effect of the /dev/cua0/cua1 device will be the setting > > of the terminal modes HUPCL and -CLOCAL; you should log in through the > > modem and type "stty -a" to make sure these settings are present. > > Well, many (that is, *all I know of*) getty programs set the termio(s) > values to something sane anyway. It's getty's purpose to set them, not to > rely on some driver defaults. I did had similar Problems, with turned of CRTSCTS :-( I checked the follwing situations: a) while mgetty is waiting b) after mgetty has written ....ogin: c) afeter mgetty has started ..bin/login d) when the shell was running. Result: a,b,c where OK with CRTSCTS on d the CRTSCTS setting was off I looked in some other places and found: thw shadow PW Suite login is doing some ugly things here (keep) after it has been satisfied with a matching PW. (I have not fixed this for me, but it will be done some time :-( ) But sure you cannot blame MGETTY :-) > > In incorrectly configured program (ie: mgetty) could result in the > > flags being set incorrectly after login. > > What do you mean by that? mgetty does definitely set HUPCL and -CLOCAL > (I'm not *that* dumb). It did from the very first release. > > Did you ever try it? he probably didn' check logins behavior :-( > > The use of "mgetty" is a problem. The "mgetty" program differs from > > the "getty" program in that it opens the port and hangs on a read > > waiting for the modem to announce a baud rate so that it can set > > line speed. > > Partial true. Mgetty *can* do it (since some modems insist on switching > baud rates), but the default is to read the CONNECT message only for > informational and logging purposes. One of mgetty's big advantages is that > the user can always exactly see in the log files which state the modem > was/is in, and what did exactly happen when. This is OK for most cases, there is just drawback: doing dialout on /dev/tty?* will set a lockfile. when the lockfile is cleared (Dialouts won't last forever :-) it takes some 10-15 s for the mgetty to take over the Modem again... This is a Problem with vgetty, since people have to use either Datacallingtones (Not all Medems are capable of this ) or a DTMF Tone (ie for the 9) to change from Voice to DATA. But this makes the need for a strikt dialtiming, which is not exact possible .. (This is almost impossible to solve, but I can live with it) > > The ability to open without DCD present is a real > > problem, in that it defeats the purpose of a calling unit device > > Well... we had a longish discussion about the "calling unit devices" in > the Linux kernel mailing lists two months or so ago, and finally, nearly > everyone (including the serial driver's author) agreed that the tty/cua > distinction is a hack to get ill-behaving applications to work. > > The "classic" approach is to use one device for one physical device... > > > and thereby thwarts the normal modem login sequence. > > It doesn't. Ever heard the term "uugetty"? > > > A normal UNIX login sequence operates as follows: > [..] > > 1) The modem comes on; the computer is not in multiuser > > mode, so DTR is not asserted. The mode will not > > answer the phone until DTR is asserted. > > What do you do if your machine crashes, leaving DTR asserted? It *does* > happen occasionally. If you have a modem that auto-answers, your modem > will pick up the phone, and the callers will have to pay to the Telco... There is one Example for a machine doing this without crashes. while starting up system services and stuff DTR is asserted and S0!=0 setted modems do pick up get a carrier and thats it... (This System is called NeXT , at least the black Version does this stupid stuff) [..] > > Having the callers send signals is something that will work for > Unix experts, but the average Joe User doesn't want (or should) to know > about it. He wants to see a CONNECT and then a "welcome" banner, no break > signal fiddling. Sometimes he is lucky and is successful after hitting Return , but I never saw a getty working stabil with that :-( > > particular line, as well as the default line settings for > > each are stored in the /etc/gettytab file. > > Well, mgetty can't read gettytab, but it can read gettydefs (SYSV-ism), > which is - IMHO - far more powerful, though I detest it as well (personal > dislike for cryptic formats). > > [..] > > [Modem connection failing immediately after CONNECT] > > This is exactly the situation if the computer has an input present > > before DCD is raised and echos the "RING" or "CONNECT" messages > > back to the modem. > > This is exactly the reason why it is a GoodThing to have a getty process > that knows about RING and CONNECT and *doesn't* echo it back to the modem. > > Don't we all agree here? :-) > > If the mgetty incorrectly sets CLOCAL or -HUPCL in its effort to > > open the port without DCD being present, ... > > It doesn't. Well, it does, but as soon as carrier is present, the CLOCAL > flag is reset, and the -HUPCL flag is set. There *is* a small time window > (about 50-100 ms or so) where the DCD line is high, but CLOCAL is still > set, but if the connection is lost in that place, mgetty will notice as > well (doesn't have to rely on SIGHUP here). :-) Since Modems are nice and will respond with NO CARRIER :-) > > ... this will prevent normal operation. > > Normal operation isn't touched by this in any way. > > [..] > > If the mgetty/getty is started on a tty device instead of a cua device, > > the default port settings will not include -CLOCAL and HUPCL, and > > the connection will not behave as expected. > > Who cares for default settings? It's getty's *JOB* to set the termios > settings to something specific, not to rely on the defaults. > > Mgetty very well knows about possibly-wrong defaults and sets the flags > properly. > > [...] > > The "mgetty" program is bad. > > I tend to have quite a different opinion here :) > > > It should not succeed in the open > > without DCD present; this prevents the port for being used for > > dialout without killing the "mgetty". > > This is *WRONG* (dammit). If the programs create proper UUCP lock files, > they can dial out while mgetty is running without any difficulties. > > Admitted, they must not use a different device in the tty/cua device pair, > but as long as the same device is used, shared dial-in/dial-out is very > easy. It works very well & stabil .. ther is some Problem when you are using different lockstyles for UUCP & Mgetty Mgetty wil honour Binary & ASCII , but Taylor UUCP won't. Taaylor would just see a STALE Lockfile and removes it and finaly hangs competing with the shell (BOTH will hang) > > The correct way to open the port without DCD present is to use the > > O_NDELAY flag; this has the side effect of setting no delay on reads, > > when you probably do not want this,... > > Huh?? Now I am really puzzled. Did you *EVER* *LOOK* at mgetty? mgetty > *does* open the port with O_NDELAY. Did from the very first release. > > Naturally, CLOCAL has to be set as well, because many serial drivers won't > read from the device, even if the open() has succeeded, if CLOCAL is unset > and DCD hasn't been raised yet. > > > ...with no way to unset them. > > Nonsense. Ever read the manpage of fcntl() in recent Unixoid systems? > You *can* reset O_NDELAY (or O_NONBLOCK, definitions differ) with > fcntl(), and it works very well on Linux, Free/NetBSD, BSDI, SVR3/4, > SunOS, Solaris, you-name-it-all. Even on the AT&T 3B1 UnixPC! > > Let me cite from the source code: > ---------- > if ( ! blocking ) > { > fd = open(devname, O_RDWR | O_NDELAY | O_NOCTTY ); > if ( fd < 0 ) > { > lprintf( L_FATAL, "cannot open line" ); > return ERROR; > } > > /* unset O_NDELAY (otherwise waiting for characters */ > /* would be "busy waiting", eating up all cpu) */ > > fcntl( fd, F_SETFL, O_RDWR); > } > ---------- > > > The correct procedure is to: open with O_NDELAY, open a second time > > without O_NDELAY (the second open will not block because there is > > already an open on the port), and close the first open. This is > > called "the partial open hack", but in reality it is not a hack > > (unless you consider the overloading of O_NDELAY in the first place > > a hack). > > Well.... one could do this on systems where fcntl() isn't able to reset > O_NDELAY, but I've never seen one. > > Very old SCO Unix variants are rumored to have a bug in open() that will > make this necessary as well, but I have compiled and run mgetty on a SCO > Unix 3.2v2.0 machine (about five years old), and never seen any problem. > > > The "mgetty" program should be rewritten to use an open flag that > > causes the open to hang until a "ring indicate" signal is seen > > instead od waiting for DCD. The driver should be rewritten to > > accomodate this. > > That is an interesting (and very reasonable!) approach. It has been > suggested by other very competent persons before. > > Unfortunately, de-facto standards make this impossible. Many multiport > cards don't even wire the RI line anywhere. No commercial unix vendor will > support this. So, are you really willing to sacrifice portability here? > > > Then the "mgetty" should do it's reads normally; > > an alarm should be set so that if DCD (a "CONNECT" message) does > > not occur within a set period of time, the mgetty closes the port > > and reissues the open. > > This approach won't work too good. It's better to monitor the port for > "good" (CONNECT) and "bad" (NO CARRIER) strings. Reason: if you want to > do a timeout, it has to be quite long, to accomodate the time until the > desired number of RINGs (S0) and the maximum no-connect time (S7) has > passed. This gives a large time frame to collide with outgoing processes. > :-) Gruss Wolfgang From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 06:09:01 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA23502 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 06:09:01 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA23496 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 06:08:58 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id JAA27616; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:07:45 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199504261307.JAA27616@hda.com> Subject: Re: BOCA AT Plus memory board To: LAJOIE@yalph2.physics.yale.edu Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <01HPRQ6B9HQ49GV5B3@yalph2.physics.yale.edu> from "LAJOIE@yalph2.physics.yale.edu" at Apr 25, 95 09:05:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1018 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk LAJOIE@yalph2.physics.yale.edu writes: > > I'm looking to add memory to my machine - I've got 8 SIMM sockets, all filled with > 1Megx9 (60ns) - and I'd like to do it without losing the investment in the 1Meg > SIMMS. I've seen an expansion board by BOCA that claims DOS and OS/2 > compatability and sits on the ISA bus. Would something like this be compatible > with FreeBSD? Does anyone know how these boards work, and are they a reasonable > solution? Thanks for the info... > What you're suggesting may make no sense because of how slow it will be accessing that memory over the ISA bus. That said, the Boca board will be very slow but probably will work. I have a 386SX-16 with 2MB on the motherboard and 8MB on a BOCA board out on the ISA bus running 1.1.5. It is an old timer, having run 386BSD from the very early days. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 06:40:13 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA24489 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 06:40:13 -0700 Received: from tmpil001.tmp.allied.com (tmpil001.tmp.allied.com [198.80.19.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA24481 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 06:40:11 -0700 Received: from venus.batc.allied.com by tmpil001.tmp.allied.com with SMTP id AA04814 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 06:40:08 -0700 Received: from curly.allied.com (curly.batc.allied.com) by venus.batc.allied.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26686; Wed, 26 Apr 95 09:41:18 EDT Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 09:41:18 EDT From: tom@batc.allied.com (Tom Roden) Message-Id: <9504261341.AA26686@venus.batc.allied.com> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Problems with SNAP 0412 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings, A problem has appeared with SNAP 0412 that was not present in previous snapshots: First the hardware: Gateway P5-90 64MB RAM 2 IDE hard drives c: 512 MB with a 503 MB DOS partition, rest unused d: 489 MB with a 125 MB DOS partition, rest FreeBSD as follows: a 236 MB / b 128 MB swap SoundBlaster 16 Sony CDU33 3Com 509 Colorado Floppy Tape Installation of the boot floppy and cpio floppy proceed without incident. Kernel correctly identifies both hard drives (model and geometry). Upon reboot from the hard disk, everything proceeds normally until I get the 'changing root device to wd1a' message, at which point the computer locks up and the only solution is to push reset. If someone could help with this I would be grateful. PS A problem that has been in previous snaps and is still present is that the kernel mis-identifies the CPU clock speed. It reports 75 Mhz, 84 MHz, etc. (rarely 90 MHz). Regards and thanks, Tom From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 07:03:22 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA25131 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:03:22 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA25116 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:02:10 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA02752; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:01:46 +0800 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:01:45 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-QUESTIONS-L Subject: Re: X configuration In-Reply-To: <2F9DA637@mailgate.cmp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, Plyaskin Sergey wrote: > > I have a short question. Where do I configure the initial settings for > X (e.g. number of windows, their sizes and position on the screen)? > From my past Sun experience, I recall something like .XDefaults. Where > is it here? I run twm. If you start up X each time you login with "startx", a file called .xinitrc in your home directory will be run when X comes up. Put in the commands you want to run in this file. This way you can have a bunch of applications automatically started each time, configure your screen saver, set your root backdrop, etc. "man xinit" for the details. If you login via xdm (the graphical login), then those commands should go in a file called .xsession in your home directory. "man xdm" for the details. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 07:09:06 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA25284 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:09:06 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA25275 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:08:59 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA02767; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:06:37 +0800 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:06:36 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Cias <"LEON::JCORDOVA1"@newton.uia.mx> cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HELP HELP HELP HELP In-Reply-To: <95042514042622@newton.uia.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, Cias wrote: > > I try to install the software and it can not detect the > network interface card? > > What can I do in order to tell to FreeBSD to detect the card? Is the -c boot flag documented in detail anywhere? Seems like it would be a good thing to mention during the install and in the CD-ROM documentation. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 07:20:17 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA26402 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:20:17 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA26371 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:20:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA16275 for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:21:17 -0400 Received: from freefall.cdrom.com (freefall.cdrom.com [192.216.222.4]) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA15053 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:41:58 -0400 From: z92patna@isy.liu.se Received: from isy.liu.se (isy.liu.se [130.236.1.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA22526 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 05:40:48 -0700 Received: from isyedu.liu.se by isy.liu.se (5.65b/isy.minimaster-V1.0b2) id AA14722; Wed, 26 Apr 95 14:40:44 +0200 Received: from munin.isy.liu.se by isyedu.liu.se (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08799; Wed, 26 Apr 95 14:40:42 +0200 Received: (z92patna@localhost) by munin.isy.liu.se (8.6.10/8.6.9) id OAA02565 for www@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:40:23 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:40:23 +0200 Message-Id: <199504261240.OAA02565@munin.isy.liu.se> To: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: CD-ROM driver? Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does FreeBSD support Mitsumis IDE-CDROM-drives yet? Will it ever? From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 07:21:41 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA27398 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:21:41 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA27346 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:21:35 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA02823; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:20:34 +0800 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:20:32 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: "Eloy A. Paris" cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Just three questions In-Reply-To: <199504260058.TAA11714@tinman.mke.ab.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, Eloy A. Paris wrote: > > 2) Why when I type the command "man " it takes so long to display > the corresponding manual page?. In Linux and other UNIX systems as well, > that is very fast. The default manpage distribution for FreeBSD does not create the /usr/share/man/cat[1-8] directories where preformatted man pages are stored. Once you create them, you will see this the first time you bring up a man page: % man ls Formatting page, please wait... [man page here] The formatted version is then stored in the appropriate "cat" directory. When you call up that man page again, the formatted version is displayed instead. Even a huge man page (like tcsh(1), over 200K) comes up instantly. The trade-off here is speed vs. space. Peeking over at my friend's Linux box, his preformatted man pages take up an additional 5 megabytes (that doesn't include local software or X11 stuff). The "catman" command will hunt around for all your man pages and generated preformatted ones for you (instead of waiting for you to call each one up as you need them). -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 07:21:41 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA27397 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:21:41 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA27354 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:21:35 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA02832; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:22:00 +0800 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:22:00 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: John Booth cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: List management: DIGEST TIME? In-Reply-To: <1C2FB491C96@gab.unt.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, John Booth wrote: > > Yes, please digest it!!! Dumb question... how do you reply to an individual message inside a digest? What's the advantage? -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 08:41:38 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA14452 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:41:38 -0700 Received: from obiwan.pmr.com (obiwan.pmr.com [199.98.84.130]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA14443 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:41:36 -0700 Received: by obiwan.pmr.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0s49Cy-000300C; Wed, 26 Apr 95 10:40 CDT Message-Id: From: bob@obiwan.pmr.com (Bob Willcox) Subject: Inactivity timeout for modem access?? To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-questions) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:40:55 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 185 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a way, on FreeBSD 1.1.5.1, to hang up a phone line after a designated period of inactivity? Thanks, -- Bob Willcox bob@obiwan.pmr.com (or obiwan%bob@uunet.uu.net) Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 09:01:07 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA15137 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:01:07 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA15129 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:01:01 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA13655; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:59:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:59:49 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9504261559.AA13655@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Brian Tao Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: List management: DIGEST TIME? In-Reply-To: References: <1C2FB491C96@gab.unt.edu> Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > Dumb question... how do you reply to an individual message inside > a digest? You use an MUA that's capable of bursting digests. > What's the advantage? Less frequent, easier-to-defer mail. Less load on freefall. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 10:06:28 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17121 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:06:28 -0700 Received: from gatekeeper.wellsfargo.com ([192.246.108.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA17115 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:06:25 -0700 Received: by gatekeeper.wellsfargo.com; id AA30384; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:05:43 -0700 Received: from msm1.WellsFargo.COM (msm1.wellsfargo.com [151.151.24.156]) by unixm1.wellsfargo.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01558 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:05:39 -0700 Received: by msm1.WellsFargo.COM with Microsoft Mail id <2F9E7DDA@msm1.WellsFargo.COM>; Wed, 26 Apr 95 10:07:38 PDT From: "Tulchinsky, Steven" To: bsd Subject: Question Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 10:07:00 PDT Message-Id: <2F9E7DDA@msm1.WellsFargo.COM> Encoding: 8 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Will FreeBSD 2.0 run on my system? I have Adaptec AHA-2940 SCSI adapter and ATI Mach64 video card. Please email tulchins@wellsfargo.com or tulchins@ix.netcom.com. Thank you very much. Steven Tulchinsky. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 10:16:00 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17236 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:16:00 -0700 Received: from ll.mit.edu (LL.MIT.EDU [129.55.12.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA17230 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:15:58 -0700 Received: by ll.mit.edu (4.1/LL-1.3) id AA05296; Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:13:27 EDT Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:13:28 -0400 Message-Id: <9504261313.AA12794@LL.MIT.EDU> From: ejon@ll.mit.edu (Eric `two cats' Jones) To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: boot failure on April snapshot X-Vms-To: SMTP%"questions@freebsd.org" Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings Gentlepersons, I'm having a fairly odd problem trying to install the April SNAP of FreeBSD-2.0. The installation procedure went basically flawlessly through the disk partitioning and labeling and loading the cpio disk. Then, when I tried to reboot using the just-installed kernel, is when my trouble manifests itself. The boot manager works fine, allowing me to choose my FreeBSD slice. Then the loading mechanism goes to work without complaint. Apparently the boot program has changed since 2.0 because it prints out a boatload of information about symbol table size which is #ifdef'ed out of my 2.0-R source. I'm not sure if it then prints out the total size, but it appears to stop about there, oddly, displaying the first segment of a rotating bar. If I wait long enough (10-20 sec?) the bar will rotate a while (the disk seeks at this point), then freeze again. This repeats for as long as I have the patience to watch. As near as I can tell, it's stopping at MAKEBOOTDEV, since it never prints out the entry point. This seems a bit odd, since it just builds a number out of component. Maybe the output buffer just isn't getting flushed? So, folks. Any ideas? Hints? Condolences? Thanks in advance for any of the above. Eric From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 10:47:42 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17475 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:47:42 -0700 Received: from super.super.org (super.super.org [192.31.192.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17469 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:47:41 -0700 Received: from gotham.super.org (gotham-e [192.239.79.2]) by super.super.org (8.6.11/8.6.10.1) with ESMTP id NAA14310; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:43:39 -0400 Received: from descartes.super.org (descartes.super.org [192.239.79.5]) by gotham.super.org (8.6.11/8.6.10.1) with SMTP id NAA26906; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:47:36 -0400 Received: by descartes.super.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10552; Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:47:32 EDT Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:47:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "William A. Arbaugh" To: Tom Roden Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problems with SNAP 0412 In-Reply-To: <9504261341.AA26686@venus.batc.allied.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Tom Roden wrote: > Greetings, > > A problem has appeared with SNAP 0412 that was not present in previous > snapshots: > > Installation of the boot floppy and cpio floppy proceed without incident. > Kernel correctly identifies both hard drives (model and geometry). Upon > reboot from the hard disk, everything proceeds normally until I get the > 'changing root device to wd1a' message, at which point the computer locks up > and the only solution is to push reset. > I just started to install the latest SNAP on a Dell P90 with a NCR PCI SCSI and two disks. The exact same thing is happening to me as well. I'm going to play around and see what I can determine. In the mean time, any ideas? thanks, bill From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 10:50:52 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA17501 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:50:52 -0700 Received: from ifc.com (ifc.com [204.30.44.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17495 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:50:50 -0700 Received: from wildbill.ifc.com (wildbill.ifc.com [204.30.44.12]) by ifc.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA09478 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:40:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199504261740.KAA09478@ifc.com> X-Sender: wallison@ifc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:52:46 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: wallison@ifc.com (Bill Allison) Subject: SLIP problem on 1.1.5.1 X-Mailer: Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to set up SLIP so that I can dial into my FreeBSD machine (which is at my work office) from home. I want to use a Winsock package on my PC. I recompiled the kernel, and I can get SLIP to work EXCEPT that I can ONLY get to the host. I can check my email via pop server, I can browse our website (on the machine I dial into), but I cannot get to the outside world and they cannot get to me. The FreeBSD machine is not acting as a router on our site, we have a separate router. I am at a loss to why this isn't working, as I R all TFM's and all the FAQs I could find, and I seem to have set up stuff right -- unless I did something stupid. Has anybody an idea of what I am doing wrong?? --------------------- William Allison Ian Freed Consulting, Inc. Seattle, WA 98104 Tel: 206.583.8919 FAX: 206.583.8941 http://www.ifc.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 11:45:42 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA21041 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:45:42 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA21035 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:45:40 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA07857; Wed, 26 Apr 95 12:34:49 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504261834.AA07857@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Discussion about mgetty... To: gert@greenie.muc.de (Gert Doering) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 12:34:48 MDT Cc: timb@thud.cdrom.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, neko@greenie.muc.de, knarf@nasim.cube.net, mgetty@muc.de In-Reply-To: from "Gert Doering" at Apr 26, 95 10:26:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > it's just that there seems to be a > > trade between dialout capability and mgetty capabilities. > > I don't think so. Dialout has to be done a little bit differently, but > (usually) isn't harmed by mgetty. This is (slightly) objectionable from a commercial software standpoint, although all of the commercial comms software I've worked on (TERM from Century Software being the most notable) can work around the problem. It *is* a problem if cu doesn't pre-assert the lock file. > > Most drivers do templating, and the templating in BSD modem control > > drivers in a traditional (ie: Sun) implementation sets these flags. Most > > of the gettytab definitions don't permit these settings to be changed. > > Doesn't BSD getty modify the defaults anyway to something "sane", and then > modifies *this* according to the gettytab? I have to admit I didn't look > into the BSD getty sources ever, I just know SysV and some free getties, > and they all do. Well, here's a small bone of contention for me. The FreeBSD driver does in fact do this, but Ultrix, SunOS, and Reno do templating, and do it right. > I *have* seen a few processes (namely a pppd) that insists on taking the > dial-out tty as controlling tty (to get a SIGHUP if that line gets lost), > but besides that, I agree. Well, this particular example makes sense. 8-). > > The problem I have is in the opening of the port prior to > > a connection being present, thereby precluding use of the port for > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > bidirectional (both incoming and outbound) use. > > No, that's not true. I use mgetty for dial-in and uucico/sendfax/kermit > for parallel dialout on the same line on a large number of systems > (FreeBSD 1.1.5 among them), and it *works*. Ok, this is a different issue from select() vs. a posted read(), which is a special case problem only when there isn't a select or poll. My problem is that the HDB uucico has the O_EXCL flag set on opens to ensure it is the only opener -- and it will fail its open otherwise. It's the previous use and the lack of properly functioning templating that leave this flag set on an O_NDELAY open, even if you fcntl() it out of there (this is specifically for SVR3.2 and later, not using the port monitor code). This is also why the alarmed-out open as part of the partial open hack. The previously existing open blows the ability of the uucico to succeed in its open with O_EXCL set. You could probably argue that this was an unacceptable use of O_EXCL by uucico. The workaround prior to having the software do the alarmed open to unset the bit was to binary-patch the uucico to not set the flag on open. It's funny that HDB would use a slightly broken lockfile implementation and require the kill(0) change, and at the same time use an almost-working port access arbitration with O_EXCL that almost solved the problem as well instead of just mandating a change to the tty driver treatment of O_EXCL they way they mandated the addition of kill( 0). > > This is an advantage for non-bidirectional use. However, in bidirectional > > prot implementation, when an incomming port open has succeeded, then an > > outgoing open will be blocked until the connection goes away (or if it > > is opened with O_NDELAY, the open will return EWOULDBLOCK). > > Yes, I know that. To handle this properly requires additional work in > mgetty, which is quite simple after all: [ ... mgetty dialout procedure ... ] I can see why you hate the implied locking in the calling unit devices in the traditional BSD drivers. 8-). I guess this is mostly because the CLOCAL and HUPCL state change peculiarities are mostly on BSD systems, and they're mostly the result of BSD not having to worry about this type of use because the modem controls in BSD have traditionally been wired in the calling units or (in the case of Sun) in the port flags (now *that's* an abomination). > This is somewhat simplified, but should give you a good idea, why it > *does* work, as long as all programs honour the UUCP locking conventions. The problem that still remains here is the UUCP 90 minute timeout on lock files, even if the process is still there. 8-(. > Your description of uugetty's inner workings are (mostly) correct. > Nevertheless I (and others) think device locking belongs into usermode, > not into kernel mode, because of the greater flexibility gained by this. I understand this from the use of select(); however, this assumes the non-O_EXCL opens by uucico aren't there. I suppose replacing the AT&T code with the Taylor code would be as acceptable a workaround as doing a binary patch on uucico. Otherwise the open() for the select() that won't eat the characters that the posted read() would eat will still prevent interoperability. 8-(. > > > What do you do if your machine crashes, leaving DTR asserted? It *does* > > > happen occasionally. If you have a modem that auto-answers, your modem > > > will pick up the phone, and the callers will have to pay to the Telco... > > > > You fix the hardware. > > You're right, that approach is even better. Nevertheless, having some > additional conceptional(!) protection against faults somewhere is a > GoodThing. OK, I'll buy off on the ATA -- and an ATA with no carrier present *should* result in a "NO CARRIER" message (I'd give this the same probability as DCD being raised *after* the "CONNECT" message. 8-) 8-)). [ ... DCD raised before "CONNECT" message ... ] > You disagree? I haven't looked into it recently, but there's so many > ill-behaving modem junk around that it's very likely some cheap > mass-product (shall I say "Rockwell"?) will get this wrong. And what will > you do then? Well, what UNIX has traditionally done is spit a "login:" prompt at the modem before it sends the "CONNECT" message, and what modem's have traditionally done is mistake this for an attempt to hang up a dial out in progress, and then what users have traditionally done is return the modems. 8-). > > Reporting connect AFTER connect but before DCD has been raised to the > > computer is mandated by the Hayes standard. > > Hmmm. I'd like to see that in written form somewhere. Besides, I know how > many modem manufacturers feel about "standards"... Well, overlooking intentionally badly designed hardware (or we'd have the modem providing external sync and not have to set our baud rate at all) the Hayes standards are available from Hayes, and modem behaviour is also described by the Bell 103C and 212 standards (and these are reproduced in "Technical Aspects of Data Communications" by McNeely from Digital Press). And don't tell me DEC doesn't know how to make serial ports; I know that already (as a proud former DEC Rainbow owner). 8-). > Well, what's the gain if you have the modem auto-answer? One could combine > your and my solution to this: > > * the open() sleeps until RI is seen. > * RI is seen, the open() completes, x-getty takes control of the modem, > waiting for desired number of RING messages > * x-getty sends ATA, handles CONNECT/+FCON properly > > -- you don't lose anything by not doing auto-answer, but you gain a lot. > > Now that would be really nice... if it wasn't too late to get this done. Oh, yeah... I agree! That's the magic incantation I was thinking of in the first place; the main caveat I was placing was not interfering with software that already depended on the O_EXCL bit. > > On the other hand, if the open has competed prior to an attempt to > > connect to the machine, the only alternative for an outbound connection > > program is to open the port itself and *manually* kill off the mgetty > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > (requiring the acquisition of apropriate priveledges to make this a > ^^^^^^^^^^ > > realistic alternative). This is worse than just a kludge, it's a blatant > > security hole. > > What??? You are talking complete nonsense here (sorry). Mgetty will give > up the port peacefully when a dialout is detected. No need for and special > privileges (except rw-access to the device and the UUCP lock directory). This was supposed to be "uugetty". 8-). > > The only other alternative, as you pointed out, is locking the DTE > > baud rate and accepting the problems that come with doing that instead. > > Or parse the CONNECT message for the connection speed (but I do not like > *that* because it isn't 100 per cent reliable for different reasons either). Yeah... Avatek modems, especially, which were dumped in large numbers when they first came out won't retrain unless reset. They stick at the baud rate (300/1200/2400) of the first caller after the reset. 8-(. And then there is aways misconfiguration and heinously wired cables. 8-(. > > What *is* > > relevant is whether the approach you chose screws with your ability to > > use the hardware the way you want to use it (ie: for dialout). > > It doesn't :) > > You may have to change a few applications to honour the uucp locking > protocol, but besides that, you won't have to undergo any efforts. Or change uucico to not assert O_EXCL. OK, I grant this point. 8-). > > Agreed -- on the other hand, it relies on the driver not acting quirky > > on port settings changes (many older drivers do). [ ... ] > Do you have an example of such a broken driver with its "quirks" for me? > I'd like to know whether there are machines where my approach won't work. Well, you don't mess with HUPCL, so that's half the battle right there. 8-). I believe that Altos UNIX (not Xenix) systems will get you on a CLOCAL change. I also think Xenix 2.1 and below will too. The Tandy 6000 will definitely bite. The 68k Xenix on Sun 3 hardware will do it too, although that's strictly a Microsoft internal product. Cubix and Microport prior to their SVR4 will also blow (but they're wierd anyway, with those tty1/tty1m/tty1M devices, they've got BSD calling units taken to a whole new level). I think the 3B2 SVR3.2 and below have the problem (I reported it to them and they actually fixed it after 3.2). The 3B1 *never* had the problem, but they have their own wierd things with whether the line is tagged as an audio line or not determines if you can use the internal modem dialer or not. > > Normal dialout operation when a connection is not present, but while > > mgetty has a non-echoing read posted that will prevent a dialout program > > from communicating with the modem. > > Not true, since mgetty doesn't read(). It does select(), which won't > "steal" any characters. My age showing again. I rememeber when select() on a serial port meant two processes reading, one from the serial port and one from the other fd with a vmin of 1 or cbreak set, the same for the other fd being "selected", and a pipe in common between the two being written with tag tokens to identify the input source. 8-). Not that long ago, actually, that SCO didn't support select() on tty's, and even shorter time since it supported them, but only if you had TCP/IP installed. > > I'd argue this for the CLOCAL and hUPCL flags (but *only* for those -- for > > all other flags, you are in fact correct). I'd also put forth Sun and > > SVR4 serial drivers as arguments on my behalf. > > I never doubted that you are right concerning the default settings of > HUPCL and CLOCAL, and maybe the ignorance of their state on some BSD > getty. I *do* say that mgetty does set the flags properly, regardless of > the defaults the port set to at open(). > > (mgetty didn't do that all the time, but has matured quite a lot...) I'm probably making an out of date point there, then. That's good, since it means it's fixed, which is arguably more important then me being right. 8-). > > How do you prevent the mgetty read from reading the responses from the > > modem to the dialout program when you must post the read after the open > > and before the appearance of the lockfile? > > I use select() or poll() where it is available and working. If neither is, > I have to fall back to read(), which will eat away a few characters from > the dialout process (which *is* bad). Nevertheless, even with read(), by > using something like > > AT OK-AT-OK-AT-OK > > in the dialout programs chat script, you can easily work around this. Yeah, this was the point I was making here. And the bitch is that there is nothing you can do about it; at this point it becomes a trade-off if your dialer can't handle it correctly. 8-(. > I think your main point of criticism boils down to your assumption that > mgetty will prevent parallel dial-outs, unless "killed away" with some > "ungetty" method, which isn't true under normal circumstances. Nope; typo on my part -- the main point was preexisting programs that sdidn't play by the expected rules -- either lockfile or open flags. > I still don't see why the partial open hack should be needed anymore, as > long as O_EXCL isn't used. Interoperability with older HDB uucico, really. Replace it with Taylor and the problem goes away. You could argue it is a minor nit. > > Early Xenix (whose I/O was based on V7), Microport, and Cubix (a modified > > Microport) was not succeptable to this. Neither was SVR3.1. > > Hmmm. I have to admit I didn't try it on those systems yet (does anybody > know what kind of unix the AT&T 3B1 UnixPC is? Is it 3.1 or 3.2? fcntl() > works definitely that way there). It's a 3.1 with a lot of extensions, only some of which showed up in 3.2 and most of the phone/port handling didn't show up at all. There's a lot to be admired about the 3B1 (in case people don't recognize the model number, it's the AT&T 7300 PC), like the first commercial use of shared libraries and the bitmapped console interface. It's a bad reference point because in many, many ways it was way ahead of its time. [ ... Altos 2000, Intel 310, Intel 320, PrimeOS ... ] The Altos 2000 was the first major system revision after the one where Altos moved from the 286 to the 386 processer (that resulted in the even numbered system revisions 686/886/1086, etc.). The Altos Xenix systems were unique in that they were the universal developement platform. Code from an Altos developement environment would run on Altos Xenix and UNIX, Cubix UNIX, Microport UNIX, SCO Xenix (and later SCO UNIX), Intel Xenix, Microsoft Xenix, Interactive UNIX (in an ABI mode) and several other platforms. If you could only afford one machine and did multiplatform coding, it was probably an Altos. 8-). The Intel 310 and Intel 320 were Intel motherboard based boxes that were OEM'ed by everyone. Every military installation that bought a machine on the Desktop III contract bought an Intel 310 or 320. The relevence here is that they were heavily used in the Defense Data Network in the US. The PrimeOS box was the Prime 386 box running their rev of UNIX SVR3 that was also a contender on Desktop III; I think that they were what really put Touch Communications "on the map". It's the fastes 386 box I have ever used. Suffice it to say that there were a grundle of these boxes out there at one time. > Well, I am, maybe not that much, but nevertheless (I still have + use my > old Commodore 64 :) ). Anyway, I don't really think that problems with > this old systems should be used to consider nowaday's programming > techniques. Commodore PET with chicklet keyboard and integral tape drive, on which I can still load and run "Space Invaders". Once did a "Defender" game in 8k on the thing. 8-). Unfortunately my SWTP 6800 doesn't boot any more. 8~(. I think the argument against old systems is well taken, but I think by the same token, you could throw out "standard practice" and ask that the serial drivers be revamped to be more convenient for you. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 11:48:21 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA21108 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:48:21 -0700 Received: from wavefront.wti.com (WAVEFRONT.WTI.COM [144.253.1.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA21102 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:48:19 -0700 Received: from walrus.wti.com by wavefront.wti.com (4.1/SMI-1.0-WTI Special) id AA22701; Wed, 26 Apr 95 10:30:01 PDT Received: by walrus.wti.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/Wavefront-Client-2.0) id KAA05524; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:28:51 -0700 From: "Steve Galle" Message-Id: <9504261028.ZM5522@walrus.wti.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:28:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Latest snap won't boot! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all. Sorry to post a question with almost no information, but the machine is crashing before it produces any helpful output. Here's what happens: I boot off of the boot floppy, (It crashes whether or not I disable probing of devices which are not installed...) and make it to the menu. If I choose to procede with the installation, the hard drive light comes on, and never goes back out. At this point, the machine will let me switch screens with alt-F1/2, but there is no information to be found on the F2 screen. The machine succesfully ran 2.0R, and ann SNAPs until the beginning of the year, when I stopped keeping it current. The machine: 486DX4/100 Adaptec SCSI chip on a SIDE (?) vesa local bus i/o card <=(this beastie must Genoa Phantom64 local bus video card go one of these ProAudioStudio/Spectrum16 audio card days.) 2 quantum 540lps drives 1 seagate 20mb drive 1 Toshiba CDROM 1 Archive Viper150 (ick!) tape drive. Any info you can spare including maybe how I can provide you with more info if it would help would be fantastic. Thanks! -Steve From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 11:49:16 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA21128 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:49:16 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA21122 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:49:14 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA07898; Wed, 26 Apr 95 12:42:45 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504261842.AA07898@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Just three questions To: eaparis@tinman.mke.ab.com (Eloy A. Paris) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 12:42:45 MDT Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199504260336.WAA12200@tinman.mke.ab.com> from "Eloy A. Paris" at Apr 25, 95 10:36:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >I'm not sure about this. It may be an architectural issue with the > >idea of PCMCIA "enablers" or you may just be using less-than-current > >code. > > Actually, I am using the last snapshot (4/12/95 I think.) When I boot, the > system correctly displays the card ID string (Megahertz Modem bla bla bla) > stored in the PCMCIA card but after that I do not know what to do and how to > access my modem. I do not see any ze0 device anywhere. It will show up as a regular com port. You may need to add it with a MAKEDEV of the device for it in the /dev directory. It will likely be named /dev/tty00 (or 01 or 02 or 03). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 11:55:51 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA21445 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:55:51 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA21438 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:55:49 -0700 Received: (from seidl@localhost) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA12984 for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:56:00 -0700 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (tporczyk@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA12665 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:33:27 -0700 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA20008; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:32:33 -0700 From: tporczyk@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) Message-Id: <199504261832.LAA20008@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: where are the ports on the FreeBSD disk? To: support@cdrom.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 11:32:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1097 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've been searching through the FreeBSD 2.0 CD, and I'm having problems finding the ports in the /ports directory. For example, under kermit I find: ./00_TRANS.TBL ./files/00_TRANS.TBL ./files/dot.kermrc ./files/Makefile.sed ./files ./Makefile ./patches/00_TRANS.TBL ./patches/patch-aa ./patches/patch-ab ./patches ./pkg/00_TRANS.TBL ./pkg/COMMENT ./pkg/DESCR ./pkg/PLIST ./pkg ./scripts/00_TRANS.TBL ./scripts/configure ./scripts As you can see, under pkg directory there are no packages. Am I confused here? Why is this ports directory on the disk at all if there are no ports in it? I looked at files like ROADMAP, but it doesn't even mention the ports directory. Also, are you planning to release a later version of FreeBSD with ALL the stuff ported, precompiled, etc., sort of like the InfoMagic 4 CD Linux set? At my place of work we are thinking of using FreeBSD in the classrooms, but we would like to buy everything on CDs, not have to search around the net for software. Currently, for that reason, there are voices suggesting to use Linux. Is there hope? Thanks, Tony From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 12:43:12 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA23637 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:43:12 -0700 Received: from obiwan.pmr.com (obiwan.pmr.com [199.98.84.130]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA23631 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:43:09 -0700 Received: by obiwan.pmr.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0s4CzA-000300C; Wed, 26 Apr 95 14:42 CDT Message-Id: From: bob@obiwan.pmr.com (Bob Willcox) Subject: Re: BT946C strangeness To: tom@haven.uniserve.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:42:56 -0500 (CDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Apr 24, 95 01:45:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 905 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tom Samplonius wrote: > > > I've just got a BT946C, and decided to try it out with the latest > SNAP. The weird part is that is detects it as a EISA device! It boots > up and runs fine, but disk performance is very poor (about 1.5meg/s on > writes). What is your read performance? The write speed of my DSP3210S's was about 1.5meg/sec before I enabled their write caching (the DSP3210S defaults to not caching writes). With the write caching enabled I get about 4.5meg/sec (and about 4meg/sec read, though that didn't change). This is on a BT-747S controller. BTW, one enables the write caching by setting a bit in mode page 8 (as I recall). Also, for DEC drives you have to reset a bit in mode page 2. Email me if you would like some instructions and a program I got from a person at DEC you can use to do this. -- Bob Willcox bob@obiwan.pmr.com (or obiwan%bob@uunet.uu.net) Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 13:18:51 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA24470 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:18:51 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA24458 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:18:38 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <210>; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:30:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Bob Willcox cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BT946C strangeness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Bob Willcox wrote: > What is your read performance? The write speed of my DSP3210S's > was about 1.5meg/sec before I enabled their write caching (the > DSP3210S defaults to not caching writes). With the write caching > enabled I get about 4.5meg/sec (and about 4meg/sec read, though > that didn't change). This is on a BT-747S controller. The raw read performance (using "dd") was 3511650 bytes/s. Using "iozone 100" would yield about 1.7 MB/s for both read and write. > BTW, one enables the write caching by setting a bit in mode page > 8 (as I recall). Also, for DEC drives you have to reset a bit in > mode page 2. Email me if you would like some instructions and a > program I got from a person at DEC you can use to do this. I would very much like to see this info. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 13:45:56 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA25436 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:45:56 -0700 Received: from borris.khoros.unm.edu (borris.khoros.unm.edu [198.59.155.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA25426 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:45:47 -0700 Received: by borris.khoros.unm.edu (4.1/KHOROS/Feb 18 1994) id <9504262045.AA19118@borris.khoros.unm.edu>; Wed, 26 Apr 95 14:45:42 MDT Posted-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:45:42 MDT Message-Id: <9504262045.AA19118@borris.khoros.unm.edu> From: steve@khoros.unm.edu (Steven Jorgensen) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:45:42 MDT X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: libc testsuite? Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there some sort of correctness testsuite for testing the libc C library under freebsd (or any unix for that matter.. :) ? I'd like to run tests on a library that offers a libc like interface to other transport mechanisms like shm and mmap, and thought a testsuite that is acutally used on a real libc might be a good place to start.. :) Any help appreciated. Steve -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Jorgensen | Khoral Research Inc. steve@khoros.unm.edu | 6001 Indian School, Suite 200 (505) 837-6500 | Albuquerque, NM 87110 ------------------------+------------------------------------ This Space for Rent. | URL: http://www.khoros.unm.edu/ ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 13:55:37 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA25838 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:55:37 -0700 Received: from super.super.org (super.super.org [192.31.192.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA25830 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:55:35 -0700 Received: from gotham.super.org (gotham-e [192.239.79.2]) by super.super.org (8.6.11/8.6.10.1) with ESMTP id QAA16203; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:51:29 -0400 Received: from descartes.super.org (descartes.super.org [192.239.79.5]) by gotham.super.org (8.6.11/8.6.10.1) with SMTP id QAA01097; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:55:26 -0400 Received: by descartes.super.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11565; Wed, 26 Apr 95 16:55:25 EDT Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "William A. Arbaugh" To: Tom Roden , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problems with SNAP 0412 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > A problem has appeared with SNAP 0412 that was not present in previous > > snapshots: > > > > Installation of the boot floppy and cpio floppy proceed without incident. > > Kernel correctly identifies both hard drives (model and geometry). Upon > > reboot from the hard disk, everything proceeds normally until I get the > > 'changing root device to wd1a' message, at which point the computer locks up > > and the only solution is to push reset. > > I've spent most the day now trying various set ups with my two SCSI drives, and all reboot's from the hard disk hang after the message 'changing root device to sd0a'. This machine was running the 0322 SNAP without problem. I'm going to grab the 0322 floppies and try an install with them to see what happens. I'm pretty much at a loss at this point. I tried to grap the crashkit off of freefall, and the directory is empty. I saw a message about a new fixit disk recently. Where can I grap it, and I'll see what I can do with that. Any ideas? bill ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Arbaugh "Waste of time is the most waarbau@super.org extravagant of all expenses" waa@dsl.cis.upenn.edu -Theophrastus ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 13:57:17 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA25901 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:57:17 -0700 Received: from nauplius.rsmas.miami.edu (nauplius.rsmas.miami.edu [129.171.102.27]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA25895 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:57:09 -0700 Received: (from ivan@localhost) by nauplius.rsmas.miami.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA00639 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:57:01 -0400 From: Ivan Lima Message-Id: <199504262057.QAA00639@nauplius.rsmas.miami.edu> Subject: tape drive To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:57:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1145 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I can't get the kernel to see my Colorado tape drive. In the FreeBSD FAQ there is an entry (6.2) about how to configure the kernel to support a QIC-80 tape drive, with an example of the line to add to the configuration file. I did exactly what's in there but the kernel doesn't see the drive. I've rebuilded the kernel several times, using different numbers for the fdc0 drives (0, 1, 2) but nothing worked. Here's the piece of my configuration file for the kernel: controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 #disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 tape ft0 at fdc0 drive 2 When I used the following configuration: controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 #disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 tape ft0 at fdc0 drive 1 the system saw another floppy drive: [1: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in] but didn't see the tape drive. Can anybody help me with that? I'm using FreeBSD 2.0 Thanks a lot! -ivan- ivan@nauplius.rsmas.miami.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 14:04:38 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA26040 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:04:38 -0700 Received: from UTARLG.UTA.EDU (utarlg.uta.edu [129.107.1.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA26033 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:04:30 -0700 Received: from utarlg.uta.edu by utarlg.uta.edu (PMDF V4.3-10 #8453) id <01HPSTGMM4R40014EP@utarlg.uta.edu>; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:04:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:53:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert M." Subject: Elm will not compile with 041295 snap. To: questions@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <01HPSTIW8G2Q0014EP@utarlg.uta.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello I had elm compiled with an earlier version of FreeBSD 2.0 and with disk problems we decided to upgrade to the 041295 snap (this is for a class project) and know I tried to rebuild elm and it crashes with libutil.a bad command Error 1 Any suggestions on with this new snap shot on building elm? One more question I have also been trying to build pine3.91 to no avail and procmail3.10 will not build either. I think I might try the procmail3.11pre1 release and see how that works. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Robert Montgomery From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 14:13:53 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA26319 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:13:53 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA26313 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:13:51 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA09161; Wed, 26 Apr 95 15:07:06 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504262107.AA09161@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: List management: DIGEST TIME? To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 15:07:05 MDT Cc: JOHN@gab.unt.edu, questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Apr 26, 95 10:22:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, John Booth wrote: > > > > Yes, please digest it!!! > > Dumb question... how do you reply to an individual message inside > a digest? What's the advantage? You use an exploder, or you cut and paste (or retype) the subject. One advantage is reduced clutter. Another advantage is reduced mail link build/tear down proportional to the number of items in a digest. A final advantage is that you can handle them in a bunch if you are in a question-answering-mood without breaking up your flow of thought. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 14:36:37 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA27237 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:36:37 -0700 Received: from case.cioe.com (case.cioe.com [204.120.165.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA27231 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:36:35 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by case.cioe.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA19269 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:12:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:12:11 -0500 From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199504262112.QAA19269@case.cioe.com> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: adduser incompatible with DES libs? Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is the current adduser script incompatible with the security libraries? I have two FreeBSD systems... on one the adduser script functions... on the other it doesn't. The only difference is that one has the /usr/src/security libs installed. The perl script locks on that machine. Is there a problem with the perl implementation? -Steve From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 15:12:23 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA28502 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:12:23 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA28494 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:12:19 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA09515; Wed, 26 Apr 95 16:05:48 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504262205.AA09515@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: libc testsuite? To: steve@khoros.unm.edu (Steven Jorgensen) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 16:05:47 MDT Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9504262045.AA19118@borris.khoros.unm.edu> from "Steven Jorgensen" at Apr 26, 95 02:45:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there some sort of correctness testsuite for testing > the libc C library under freebsd (or any unix for that > matter.. :) ? The NIST/PCTS (National Institute of Standards and Technology, POSIX Conformance Test Suite) is currently available for $2500 from NIST in Washington, DC, USA. It requires TET, the Test Environment Toolkit. TET is available from several sites around the world, and is part of the UNIX International archive at ftp.digibd.com that I helped recover after UI went belly up and their ftp server at uiunix.ui.org went offline (but AlterNET is still resolving ther !@#$%! address). TET is a framework for running conformance testing suites, and can be made to run under FreeBSD with a bit of effort. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 15:19:33 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA28990 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:19:33 -0700 Received: from jupiter.avsi.com (jupiter.avsi.com [199.100.190.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA28981 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:19:29 -0700 Received: from avsi.com (jupiter.avsi.com [199.100.190.6]) by jupiter.avsi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA08729 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:20:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199504262220.SAA08729@jupiter.avsi.com> From: Allyn Hardyck To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: cannot fork; no more processes Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:20:40 -0400 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I seem to be getting these errors often, and unexpectedly, given what's going on on my system (i.e. not much at the moment other than me, incoming mail and about a dozen xterms on the screen.) Will increasing maxusers in the kernel help? In /sys/conf/param.c NPROC is (20 + 16 * MAXUSERS), and I have maxusers defined as 10 in my kernel. I don't have 180 processes going when I get these errors. Or is it something more intractable? Is it swap space? I thought I had enough of that, I don't ever seem to be close to running out.... Thanks again for any advice, and for your responses in the past. I usually try checking the questions archive first; but it hasn't been updated since September. Will there be another update at some point? Allyn Hardyck From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 15:41:22 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA29654 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:41:22 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA29648 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:41:20 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA02740; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:43:31 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199504262243.SAA02740@haven.ios.com> Subject: Re: boot failure on April snapshot To: ejon@ll.mit.edu (Eric `two cats' Jones) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9504261313.AA12794@LL.MIT.EDU> from "Eric `two cats' Jones" at Apr 26, 95 01:13:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1098 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, > > Greetings Gentlepersons, > > I'm having a fairly odd problem trying to install the April SNAP > of FreeBSD-2.0. The installation procedure went basically flawlessly > through the disk partitioning and labeling and loading the cpio disk. > Then, when I tried to reboot using the just-installed kernel, is when > my trouble manifests itself. > The boot manager works fine, allowing me to choose my FreeBSD > slice. Then the loading mechanism goes to work without complaint. > Apparently the boot program has changed since 2.0 because it prints > out a boatload of information about symbol table size which is #ifdef'ed > out of my 2.0-R source. I'm not sure if it then prints out the total size, > but it appears to stop about there, oddly, displaying the first segment of a > rotating bar. If I wait long enough (10-20 sec?) the bar will rotate > a while (the disk seeks at this point), then freeze again. This repeats > for as long as I have the patience to watch. I had the _same problem a few days ago with Bt946C PCI/SCSI on P90. Still be unsolved mistery Rashid From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 15:45:32 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA29734 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:45:32 -0700 Received: from cioeserv.cioe.com (cioeserv.cioe.com [204.120.165.36]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA29728 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:45:30 -0700 From: steve@cioeserv.cioe.com Received: (from steve@localhost) by cioeserv.cioe.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA01141 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:31:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:31:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199504262231.RAA01141@cioeserv.cioe.com> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: chfn configurable? Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there anyway to add to the fields that a user may change with the chpass (chsh/chfn) command? Right now a user seems to be limited to shell, location, home phone and work phone. I'd like to also allow changing of some other fields. This isn't really a security issue, just that I think this should be customizable instead of static. -Steve From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 15:52:52 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA29970 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:52:52 -0700 Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA29962 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:52:46 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id QAA19284; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:56:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:56:38 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199504262256.QAA19284@trout.sri.MT.net> In-Reply-To: steve@cioeserv.cioe.com "chfn configurable?" (Apr 26, 5:31pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: steve@cioeserv.cioe.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: chfn configurable? Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there anyway to add to the fields that a user may change with the > chpass (chsh/chfn) command? Right now a user seems to be limited to > shell, location, home phone and work phone. I'd like to also allow changing > of some other fields. This isn't really a security issue, just that I think > this should be customizable instead of static. You've got the source. It's infinitely customizable. :-) Nate From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 16:26:58 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA00898 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:26:58 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA00892 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:26:57 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA13734; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:26:49 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199504262326.QAA13734@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Latest snap won't boot! To: steveg@wavefront.wti.com (Steve Galle) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9504261028.ZM5522@walrus.wti.com> from "Steve Galle" at Apr 26, 95 10:28:51 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1369 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk folks: This is a good case for having a seperate kernel floppy that can hold a GENERIC kernel WITH DDB... that way we could get a stack-trace..... should such a kernel floppy be part of the distribution as well? julian > > Hello all. Sorry to post a question with almost no information, but the machine > is crashing before it produces any helpful output. Here's what happens: I boot > off of the boot floppy, (It crashes whether or not I disable probing of devices > which are not installed...) and make it to the menu. If I choose to procede > with the installation, the hard drive light comes on, and never goes back out. > At this point, the machine will let me switch screens with alt-F1/2, but there > is no information to be found on the F2 screen. > The machine succesfully ran 2.0R, and ann SNAPs until the beginning of the > year, when I stopped keeping it current. > > The machine: > 486DX4/100 > Adaptec SCSI chip on a SIDE (?) vesa local bus i/o card <=(this beastie must > Genoa Phantom64 local bus video card go one of > these ProAudioStudio/Spectrum16 audio card > days.) > 2 quantum 540lps drives > 1 seagate 20mb drive > 1 Toshiba CDROM > 1 Archive Viper150 (ick!) tape drive. > > > Any info you can spare including maybe how I can provide you with more info if > it would help would be fantastic. Thanks! > > -Steve > From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 17:40:43 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA03421 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:40:43 -0700 Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA03415 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:40:41 -0700 Received: from ipxpress.aws.waii.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQynew02884; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 20:40:19 -0400 Received: by ipxpress.aws.waii.com id AA02827 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for questions@freebsd.org); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:40:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:40:14 -0500 From: Don Dunbar Message-Id: <199504270040.AA02827@ipxpress.aws.waii.com> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: linux Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My dad's office telles him that FreeBSD is not AT&T UNIX compatible and it can't run SunOS 4.1.3 binaries like Linux can. Is this true? Does FreeBSD use 'ports' like Linux? From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 17:48:17 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA03673 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:48:17 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA03665 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:48:15 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA28749; Thu, 27 Apr 95 00:47:48 GMT Received: from junco.fsl.noaa.gov by yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA15835; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 20:48:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 20:48:11 -0400 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9504270048.AA15835@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.37.109.16/SMI-4.1 (1.37.109.16)) id AA259703691; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:48:11 -0600 To: steve@cioeserv.cioe.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199504262231.RAA01141@cioeserv.cioe.com> (steve@cioeserv.cioe.com) Subject: Re: chfn configurable? Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Steve" == steve writes: Steve> Right now a user seems to be limited to shell, location, Steve> home phone and work phone. I'd like to also allow changing Steve> of some other fields. Like what? User id? I'd change mine to the value of some other user and read his/her files---or to zero and be root. Group id? Same problem. Password expiration? Might be nice, but not recommended. If security really isn't a problem, you could hack the chfn source or write your own extended passwd entry editor. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA Twitch a lot. -- One of 120 ways to annoy your roommate. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 18:19:06 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA04714 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:19:06 -0700 Received: from silicon.csci.csusb.edu (silicon.csci.csusb.edu [139.182.38.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA04706 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:19:00 -0700 Received: from orion.csci.csusb.edu by silicon.csci.csusb.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA13530; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:24:04 +0800 Received: by orion.csci.csusb.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12286; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:18:27 +0800 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Neal Westfall To: "Robert M." Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Elm will not compile with 041295 snap. In-Reply-To: <01HPSTIW8G2Q0014EP@utarlg.uta.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 662 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Robert M. wrote: > > Hello > > I had elm compiled with an earlier version of FreeBSD 2.0 and with disk > problems we decided to upgrade to the 041295 snap (this is for a class > project) and know I tried to rebuild elm and it crashes with > libutil.a bad command You probably need to get the new bsd.port.mk from current and possibly the new pkg_install utilities. I just compiled both elm and pine yesterday on a 950412 system with the new files and it worked fine for both. Both of them will complain about not being able to "register" it in /var/db/pkg since there is no pkg directory for either of these ports. Neal From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 18:48:13 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA05495 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:48:13 -0700 Received: from mercury.unt.edu (mercury.unt.edu [129.120.1.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA05488 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:48:11 -0700 Received: from gab.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA27376 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 20:48:05 -0500 Received: from GAB/MAILQUEUE by gab.unt.edu (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 26 Apr 95 20:48:05 CST6CDT Received: from MAILQUEUE by GAB (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 26 Apr 95 20:48:01 CST6CDT From: "John Booth" Organization: University of North Texas To: steve@cioeserv.cioe.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 20:48:00 CST6CDT Subject: Re: chfn configurable? Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <1E3C5F0397D@gab.unt.edu> Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there anyway to add to the fields that a user may change with the > chpass (chsh/chfn) command? Right now a user seems to be limited to > shell, location, home phone and work phone. I'd like to also allow changing I was wondering this the other day. A person asked how to change his name on my system. I did a man on chfn and ran it once--didn't see how anyone but root could change a name. I remember you could change name with 1.1.5.1, has it been changed that much?. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- College of Arts & Sciences Computing Services John A. Booth, john@gab.unt.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 19:22:53 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA07169 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:22:53 -0700 Received: from super.super.org (super.super.org [192.31.192.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA07163 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:22:46 -0700 Received: from gotham.super.org (gotham-e [192.239.79.2]) by super.super.org (8.6.11/8.6.10.1) with ESMTP id WAA18207 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:18:47 -0400 Received: from hume.super.org (hume.super.org [192.239.79.11]) by gotham.super.org (8.6.11/8.6.10.1) with SMTP id WAA05037 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:22:44 -0400 Received: by hume.super.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06880; Wed, 26 Apr 95 22:22:43 EDT Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:22:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "William A. Arbaugh" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Latest SNAP install hangs at 'changing root device ...' Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here's some more info on the problem that at least two of us (one with IDE and one with SCSI) are having. 1. The 0322 SNAP fixit disk can mount the /dev/sd0a produced by the 04 install process. Every thing seems fine, but I'm not sure what I should look for (if anything). In desperation, I copied the 0322 kernel off of the fixit disk and rebooted. No luck! (but then I didn't expect it to work) Just a reboot cycle with nothing useful. 2. During the 04 install process I watched the stdout/stderr output to the second vt. The only unusual thing I noticed was during newfs. newfs prints out 'calculated sectors per cyl 4096 disagrees with disklabel (2046)'. I'm not sure what to make of that. If some one can point me to a 0412 based fixit disk, I can try that and see what I can find. At this point, I've exhausted all the ideas I have to figure this out. Any and all ideas appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Arbaugh "Waste of time is the most waarbau@super.org extravagant of all expenses" waa@dsl.cis.upenn.edu -Theophrastus ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 22:00:28 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA16766 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:00:28 -0700 Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA16760 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:00:24 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id TAA19621; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:23:25 -0600 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:23:25 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199504270123.TAA19621@trout.sri.MT.net> To: Don Dunbar Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: linux In-Reply-To: <199504270040.AA02827@ipxpress.aws.waii.com> References: <199504270040.AA02827@ipxpress.aws.waii.com> Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > My dad's office telles him that FreeBSD is not AT&T UNIX compatible and it > can't run SunOS 4.1.3 binaries like Linux can. *laugh* 1) SunOS is as far from AT&T Unix in any commercial OS as you can get. 2) Linux can't run SunOS binaries. FreeBSD is as much compatible with AT&T Unix as Linux is. Nate From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 26 22:10:14 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA17189 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:10:14 -0700 Received: from kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu (root@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu [130.132.128.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA17181 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:10:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 01:09:30 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Brian Tao cc: John Booth , questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: List management: DIGEST TIME? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Brian Tao wrote: > On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, John Booth wrote: > > > > Yes, please digest it!!! > > Dumb question... how do you reply to an individual message inside > a digest? What's the advantage? I run both the gus list and gus digest, the way it works is that you reply to a individual message to the list address. The advantage is that you will get one huge message instead of like a hundred or so individual messages.... Cheers, Vince -vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu- UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 00:05:32 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA22639 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 00:05:32 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA22633 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 00:05:31 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id AAA15541 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 00:05:31 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199504270705.AAA15541@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: linux To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 00:05:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199504270040.AA02827@ipxpress.aws.waii.com> from "Don Dunbar" at Apr 26, 95 07:40:14 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 215 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'll take this one... julian > > My dad's office telles him that FreeBSD is not AT&T UNIX compatible and it > can't run SunOS 4.1.3 binaries like Linux can. Is this true? Does FreeBSD > use 'ports' like Linux? > From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 05:39:12 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA10830 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 05:39:12 -0700 Received: from tmpil001.tmp.allied.com (tmpil001.tmp.allied.com [198.80.19.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA10824 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 05:39:10 -0700 Received: from venus.batc.allied.com by tmpil001.tmp.allied.com with SMTP id AA14620 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 05:39:06 -0700 Received: from curly.allied.com (curly.batc.allied.com) by venus.batc.allied.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01131; Thu, 27 Apr 95 08:40:17 EDT Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 08:40:17 EDT From: tom@batc.allied.com (Tom Roden) Message-Id: <9504271240.AA01131@venus.batc.allied.com> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problems booting SNAP 0412 from hard disk Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings, This is a follow-up to my posting to this list yesterday (included below). I have tried booting the machine with 'turbo' off, changing the disk initialization delays, etc. and it still won't finish booting off the hard disk. This machine worked fine with previous SNAPS. Others have indicated similar problems. Can someone from the FreeBSD team please comment or offer suggestions on this. [my posting from yesterday] > A problem has appeared with SNAP 0412 that was not present in previous > snapshots: > > Installation of the boot floppy and cpio floppy proceed without incident. > Kernel correctly identifies both hard drives (model and geometry). Upon > reboot from the hard disk, everything proceeds normally until I get the > 'changing root device to wd1a' message, at which point the computer locks up > and the only solution is to push reset. > Regards, Tom From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 06:10:36 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA12396 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 06:10:36 -0700 Received: from gaudi.diatel.upm.es (gaudi.diatel.upm.es [138.100.49.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA12384 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 06:10:30 -0700 Received: by gaudi.diatel.upm.es (4.1/SMI-4.1) Thu, 27 Apr 95 15:08:38 +0200 X400-Received: by mta diatel.upm in /PRMD=/ADMD=/C=/; Relayed; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:08:35 UTC+0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=iris/ADMD=mensatex/C=es/; Relayed; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:08:35 UTC+0200 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:08:35 UTC+0200 X400-Originator: jmrueda@diatel.upm.es X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=iris/ADMD=mensatex/C=es/;950427150835] Content-Identifier: 668 Conversion: Prohibited From: Javier Martin Rueda To: questions@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <668*/S=jmrueda/OU=diatel/O=upm/PRMD=iris/ADMD=mensatex/C=es/@MHS> Subject: Does FreeBSD have rpc.lockd? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Ean X.400 to MIME gateway) Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm setting up a PC with FreeBSD 2.0 950412-SNAP as a PC-NFS server. The clients are using Sun's PC-NFS 5.0. I can mount drives through NFS as long as I don't use the /ms (/mustshare) option. If I use that option, I get an error that says "Unable to connect the network lock manager", which I guess that must be the rpc.lockd daemon. Is there an equivalent daemon in FreeBSD or anywhere, so that I can port it? From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 07:12:02 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA15568 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 07:12:02 -0700 Received: from hermes.cybernetics.net (hermes.cybernetics.net [198.80.51.103]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA15559 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 07:11:56 -0700 Received: (from james@localhost) by hermes.cybernetics.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA12769 for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:25:15 -0400 From: James Robinson Message-Id: <199504271425.KAA12769@hermes.cybernetics.net> Subject: iij-ppp for 1.1.5.1 home? To: questions@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD questions) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:25:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 89 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could someone give me a pointer to where iij-ppp for 1.1.5.1 lives? Thanks alot! James From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 07:41:48 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA17072 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 07:41:48 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA17063 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 07:41:44 -0700 Received: from rks32.pcs.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA19248; Thu, 27 Apr 95 07:36:28 -0700 Received: by rks32.pcs.dec.com (Smail3.1.27.1 #16) id m0s4Ucq-0005OqC; Thu, 27 Apr 95 16:33 MSZ Message-Id: To: questions%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com In-Reply-To: Message from James Robinson of Thu, 27 Apr 95 10:25:15 D. Reply-To: gj@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: iij-ppp for 1.1.5.1 home? Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 14:33:04 GMT From: "gj%pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com" Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Could someone give me a pointer to where iij-ppp for 1.1.5.1 lives? > > Thanks alot! > > James I may be wrong, but it seems to me that iij-ppp only works under -current. It requires a tun device, I can't remember anymore whether 1.1.5.1 had support for that. Of course, there's no reason why you couldn't take the various pieces from -current and integrate them into 1.1.5.1. Gary J. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 08:28:20 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA19539 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:28:20 -0700 Received: from super.super.org (super.super.org [192.31.192.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA19477 ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:27:22 -0700 Received: from gotham.super.org (gotham-e [192.239.79.2]) by super.super.org (8.6.11/8.6.10.1) with ESMTP id LAA20818; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:23:22 -0400 Received: from hume.super.org (hume.super.org [192.239.79.11]) by gotham.super.org (8.6.11/8.6.10.1) with SMTP id LAA12698; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:27:19 -0400 Received: by hume.super.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08877; Thu, 27 Apr 95 11:27:19 EDT Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "William A. Arbaugh" To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, tom@batc.allied.com Subject: 0412 SNAP install hangs after 'changing root device ...' Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm cc'ing this to hackers in hope someone will be able to provide some assistance. 1. The problem in the subj line is affecting my system and also . I'm using the NCR 53c810 SCSI, and Tom is using IDE. Both systems were running the 0322 SNAP without problems. 2. I can boot with the 0322 fixit floppy and mount sd0a without a problem. 3. During the install of 0412 newfs produces the following warning message 'Calculated sectors per cylinder 4096 disagrees with disklabel (2046). No other warnings/errors are produced during the install. 4. Booting the 0412 SNAP kernel placed on the disk by the install process with -v prints out the BIOS geometries and then hangs. Looking at the sources for 0322- that tells me that it's getting to cpu_startup() but not much more. The geometries reported are: BIOS Geometries: 0:3ff0208 1:4f010f 2:4f010f 3:4f010f 4:4f010f 5:4f010f 6:4f010f 7:4f010f 0 accounted for Booting the 0322 fixit floppy with -v produces the same geometry information. I haven't a clue if that info is good/bad etc. 5. Anyone have a 0412 based fixit floppy? I'm stuck and I'm not sure how to proceed. bill ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Arbaugh "Waste of time is the most waarbau@super.org extravagant of all expenses" waa@dsl.cis.upenn.edu -Theophrastus ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 08:43:34 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA20106 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:43:34 -0700 Received: from copper.cmp.com (copper.cmp.com [198.80.26.247]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA20100 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:43:33 -0700 Received: from mailgate.cmp.com ([198.80.26.5]) by copper.cmp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA279007310; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:41:50 -0400 Received: by mailgate.cmp.com with Microsoft Mail id <2F9FE5AA@mailgate.cmp.com>; Thu, 27 Apr 95 11:42:50 PDT From: Plyaskin Sergey To: "'.freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: fvwm installation Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 10:07:00 PDT Message-Id: <2F9FE5AA@mailgate.cmp.com> Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm trying to install fvwm on the sytem running 950210-SNAP. I need help with that. Aparently, there are some libraries missing. I've installed fvwm_bin.tgz and xpm-3.4e.tgz using pkg_add. Now, when I tried to launch fvwm, I've got the error message: # fvwm & [1] 869 # ld.so: fvwm:libXpm.so.2.7:Undefined error:0 I've found libXpm.so.2.7 on my 2.0R machine and copied it to /usr/lib. Now, it complains about libXext.so.2.0 in the same manner. Where can I get this? Which package I am missing? Thanks. -Serge splyaski@cmp.com From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 10:03:54 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA24525 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:03:54 -0700 Received: from cioeserv.cioe.com (cioeserv.cioe.com [204.120.165.36]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA24515 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:03:50 -0700 From: steve@cioeserv.cioe.com Received: (from steve@localhost) by cioeserv.cioe.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA03552; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:25:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:25:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199504271625.LAA03552@cioeserv.cioe.com> To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Subject: Re: chfn configurable? Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Actually chfn does not allow users to change their names in the current release. It is indeed a setuid program but it doesn't do it. Have you in fact tried this? -Steve From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 10:05:15 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA24578 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:05:15 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA24570 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:05:14 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03111; Thu, 27 Apr 95 17:04:45 GMT Received: from junco.fsl.noaa.gov by yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA00396; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:05:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:05:08 -0400 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9504271705.AA00396@yarmouth.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.37.109.16/SMI-4.1 (1.37.109.16)) id AA029482300; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:05:00 -0600 To: steve@cioeserv.cioe.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199504271625.LAA03552@cioeserv.cioe.com> (steve@cioeserv.cioe.com) Subject: Re: chfn configurable? Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "steve" == steve writes: steve> Actually chfn does not allow users to change their names in steve> the current release. It is indeed a setuid program but it steve> doesn't do it. Have you in fact tried this? Yep. It works in 2.0-RELEASE. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA Switch the sheets on your beds while s/he is at class. -- One of 120 ways to annoy your roommate. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 10:38:57 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA25514 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:38:57 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA25500 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:38:51 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA14019; Thu, 27 Apr 95 11:25:36 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504271725.AA14019@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Does FreeBSD have rpc.lockd? To: jmrueda@diatel.upm.es (Javier Martin Rueda) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 11:25:35 MDT Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <668*/S=jmrueda/OU=diatel/O=upm/PRMD=iris/ADMD=mensatex/C=es/@MHS> from "Javier Martin Rueda" at Apr 27, 95 03:08:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm setting up a PC with FreeBSD 2.0 950412-SNAP as a PC-NFS server. The > clients are using Sun's PC-NFS 5.0. > > I can mount drives through NFS as long as I don't use the /ms (/mustshare) > option. If I use that option, I get an error that says "Unable to connect the > network lock manager", which I guess that must be the rpc.lockd daemon. > > Is there an equivalent daemon in FreeBSD or anywhere, so that I can port it? There is no such thing as a publically available rpc.lockd. To work on it, you'd probably need three machines: One to make the requests that had working client code, one to reply that had working server code, and one to watch the packets and dump them out. The rpc.lockd isn't well documented anywhere except Sun internal docs, apparently. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 10:47:11 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA25843 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:47:11 -0700 Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA25831 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:46:57 -0700 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA29344; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 19:46:13 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199504271746.TAA29344@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: fvwm installation To: splyaski@cmp.com (Plyaskin Sergey) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 19:46:13 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <2F9FE5AA@mailgate.cmp.com> from "Plyaskin Sergey" at Apr 27, 95 10:07:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 812 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm trying to install fvwm on the sytem running 950210-SNAP. I need help > with that. Aparently, there are some libraries missing. I've installed > fvwm_bin.tgz and xpm-3.4e.tgz using pkg_add. Now, when I tried to launch > fvwm, I've got the error message: > > # fvwm & > [1] 869 > # ld.so: fvwm:libXpm.so.2.7:Undefined error:0 > > I've found libXpm.so.2.7 on my 2.0R machine and copied it to /usr/lib. Now, > it complains about libXext.so.2.0 in the same manner. Where can I get this? > Which package I am missing? Thanks. > > -Serge splyaski@cmp.com > It looks like the fvwm that you installed was compiled with XFree86 2.X and not XFree86 3.X. The easiest if you can't find a newer fvwm is to get the old XFree86 shared libraries (the xxxx.so.xx). -- John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 11:40:58 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA28485 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:40:58 -0700 Received: from mail.unet.umn.edu (mail.unet.umn.edu [128.101.101.103]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA28479 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:40:56 -0700 Received: from sunny.health.state.mn.us by mail.unet.umn.edu (5.65c) id AA20633; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:40:54 -0500 Received: from mdh-admin by sunny.health.state.mn.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB23295; Thu, 27 Apr 95 13:40:53 CDT Received: from MDH-ADMIN/MAILQUEUE by mdh-admin.health.state.mn.us (Mercury 1.21); 27 Apr 95 13:41:01 CST Received: from MAILQUEUE by MDH-ADMIN (Mercury 1.21); 27 Apr 95 13:40:49 CST From: "prabhat.pandey" Organization: Minnesota Department of Health To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:40:49 CDT Subject: SATAN X-Confirm-Reading-To: "prabhat.pandey" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <853EE0FBD@mdh-admin.health.state.mn.us> Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where I can down load SATAN from? Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 11:53:07 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA28764 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:53:07 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (ain.charm.net [198.69.35.206]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA28758 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:53:04 -0700 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id OAA02761; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 14:47:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 14:47:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: quota.group and quota.user NOT created by quotacheck. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think all of my problems with quotas are attributable to the fact that quotecheck -av is not creating quota.* files at the top of the filesystems. my fstab looks like this: /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 grpquota, usrquota /dev/sd2f /home ufs rw 1 1 grpquota, usrquota /dev/sd3f /home2 ufs rw 1 1 grpquota, usrquota /dev/sd0g /staff ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0f /tmp ufs rw 1 1 grpquota, usrquota /dev/sd3e /usr ufs rw 1 1 grpquota, usrquota /dev/sd0b none swap sw 0 0 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 And the kernel has been compiled with quotas enabled. Any ideas? Thanks, -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 11:54:19 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA28814 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:54:19 -0700 Received: from strider.andyne.on.ca (strider.andyne.on.ca [198.96.20.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA28806 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:54:15 -0700 Received: from [198.96.21.171] by strider.andyne.on.ca with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.4) id AA09628; Thu, 27 Apr 95 14:52:03 -0400 X-Sender: steveb@strider.andyne.on.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 14:55:02 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: steveb@strider.andyne.on.ca (Steven Bonisteel) Subject: Routing weirdness? Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've recently installed the most recent FreeBSD 2.0 SNAP. Most of the networking appears to be working OK (I can ping IPs and named machines both inside and outside of our local net) .... BUT ... at startup and frequently during normal operations, the system complains that arplookup is failing for the following IP: 198.96.21.224 Now, I've entered "198.96.20.224" as my default router (and double-checked this a half-dozen times!) So I can't figure out where the "21" is coming from. Any tips on where to begin sorting this out? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Steven Bonisteel steveb@andyne.on.ca Andyne Computing http://www.andyne.on.ca/ From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 12:56:58 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA00799 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:56:58 -0700 Received: from silicon.csci.csusb.edu (silicon.csci.csusb.edu [139.182.38.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA00741 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:56:14 -0700 Received: from orion.csci.csusb.edu by silicon.csci.csusb.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16262; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:01:16 +0800 Received: by orion.csci.csusb.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17556; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:55:36 +0800 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:55:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Neal Westfall To: Plyaskin Sergey Cc: "'.freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: fvwm installation In-Reply-To: <2F9FE5AA@mailgate.cmp.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 847 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Plyaskin Sergey wrote: > I'm trying to install fvwm on the sytem running 950210-SNAP. I need help > with that. Aparently, there are some libraries missing. I've installed > fvwm_bin.tgz and xpm-3.4e.tgz using pkg_add. Now, when I tried to launch > fvwm, I've got the error message: > > # fvwm & > [1] 869 > # ld.so: fvwm:libXpm.so.2.7:Undefined error:0 This one bit me a couple of days ago after I installed the April SNAP. Try this command: ldconfig /usr/lib /usr/local/lib /usr/X11R6/lib If that doesn't work, or screws something up, reboot and all should be well. Neal > > I've found libXpm.so.2.7 on my 2.0R machine and copied it to /usr/lib. Now, > it complains about libXext.so.2.0 in the same manner. Where can I get this? > Which package I am missing? Thanks. > > -Serge splyaski@cmp.com > From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 14:00:10 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA03154 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 14:00:10 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA03139 ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 14:00:05 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA17732; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:59:54 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199504272059.NAA17732@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: 0412 SNAP install hangs after 'changing root device ...' To: waarbau@super.org (William A. Arbaugh) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org, tom@batc.allied.com In-Reply-To: from "William A. Arbaugh" at Apr 27, 95 11:27:16 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1478 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It looks as if we have a problem with the new slice code that went out in the last SNAP. My guess is that certain disklabel/BIOS-data/MBR combinations are interpretted differently than before, leading to an inability to read the root partition... > > > 3. During the install of 0412 newfs produces the following warning > message 'Calculated sectors per cylinder 4096 disagrees with disklabel > (2046). No other warnings/errors are produced during the install. I think this is possibly a clue.. > > 4. Booting the 0412 SNAP kernel placed on the disk by the install process > with -v prints out the BIOS geometries and then hangs. Looking at the > sources for 0322- that tells me that it's getting to cpu_startup() but > not much more. The geometries reported are: > > BIOS Geometries: 0:3ff0208 > 1:4f010f > 2:4f010f > 3:4f010f > 4:4f010f > 5:4f010f > 6:4f010f > 7:4f010f > 0 accounted for > > Booting the 0322 fixit floppy with -v produces the same geometry > information. I haven't a clue if that info is good/bad etc. > > 5. Anyone have a 0412 based fixit floppy? I'm stuck and I'm not sure how > to proceed. phk just made one... > > bill > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Arbaugh "Waste of time is the most > waarbau@super.org extravagant of all expenses" > waa@dsl.cis.upenn.edu -Theophrastus > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 14:26:06 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA04038 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 14:26:06 -0700 Received: from super.super.org (super.super.org [192.31.192.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA04030 ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 14:26:00 -0700 Received: from gotham.super.org (gotham-e [192.239.79.2]) by super.super.org (8.6.11/8.6.10.1) with ESMTP id RAA23713; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:25:57 -0400 Received: from hume.super.org (hume.super.org [192.239.79.11]) by gotham.super.org (8.6.11/8.6.10.1) with SMTP id RAA18260; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:25:57 -0400 Received: by hume.super.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09992; Thu, 27 Apr 95 17:25:50 EDT Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:25:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "William A. Arbaugh" To: Julian Elischer Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org, tom@batc.allied.com Subject: Re: 0412 SNAP install hangs after 'changing root device ...' In-Reply-To: <199504272059.NAA17732@ref.tfs.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Julian Elischer wrote: > It looks as if we have a problem with the new slice code that went > out in the last SNAP. > > My guess is that certain disklabel/BIOS-data/MBR combinations > are interpretted differently than before, leading to > an inability to read the root partition... > Steve Kargl provided the solution (at least for me- I haven't heard from tom@batc.allied.com yet). The problem seems to be with the 3c509 card and some of the device probing. I rebooted (with -c) and disabled ep0, and everything the system boots fine. (I should have thought of that! Thanks Steve!). The question now is WHAT exactly is causing this problem. I'm going to spend some time to try and narrow down the probe conflict. I'll post if I know more. bill ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Arbaugh "Waste of time is the most waarbau@super.org extravagant of all expenses" waa@dsl.cis.upenn.edu -Theophrastus ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 15:30:07 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA06115 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:30:07 -0700 Received: from poe.digibd.com (poe.digibd.com [199.86.8.253]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA06109 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:30:04 -0700 Received: from digibd.com (localhost) by poe.digibd.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16075; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:29:36 +0600 Message-Id: <9504272229.AA16075@poe.digibd.com> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: 3c509b driver Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <16073.799021775.1@digibd.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:29:36 -0500 From: "Bill O'Hanlon" content-length: 416 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to get a 3c509b card working in a FreeBSD machine. I'm missing something, understanding-wise. I get the following message at boot time: ep0: 3c5x9 at 0x300 in test mode. Erase pencil mark! There's no obvious way to turn off "test mode", and I can't for the life of me guess what the bit about erasing a pencil mark means... Can someone give me a quick pointer? Oh, this is with FreeBSD 2.0. -Bill From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 15:36:13 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA06268 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:36:13 -0700 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA06262 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:36:09 -0700 Received: from ipxpress.aws.waii.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQynig05915; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:35:52 -0400 Received: by ipxpress.aws.waii.com id AA28491 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for questions@freebsd.org); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:35:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:35:50 -0500 From: Don Dunbar Message-Id: <199504272235.AA28491@ipxpress.aws.waii.com> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: 412 SNAP Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I upgraded from the 2.0R to the 412 snap flawlessly and I would like to take the time to express that when building pine on FreeBSD, use the command 'build neb' and it will build with no errors, on a brand new SNAP. Why isn't Perl v5.001 included with the latest snap, instead of as a package? From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 16:06:04 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA09807 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:06:04 -0700 Received: from jeack.apana.org.au (nrc@jeack.apana.org.au [202.12.87.82]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA09796 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:05:45 -0700 Received: (from nrc@localhost) by jeack.apana.org.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) id IAA06348 for FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:53:36 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:53:36 GMT From: Nathan Chapman (Guest) Message-Id: <199504280853.IAA06348@jeack.apana.org.au> Apparently-To: FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk help From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 16:55:53 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA11795 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:55:53 -0700 Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA11785 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:55:52 -0700 Received: from hpautow.aus.hp.com by relay.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA124906940; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:55:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199504272355.AA124906940@relay.hp.com> Received: by hpautow.aus.hp.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA06385; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 09:55:35 +1000 From: M C Wong Subject: Ethernet --> Microwave/Satellite connection To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 9:55:34 EST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14.c] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, Just wonder what are the cheapest equipments are needed for linking 2 LANs via microwave/satellite. Does it require any special software on FreeBSD part even though I am not directly using FreeBSD box as such a microwave/satellite station, 8-)). What other alternative do I have with wire-less connection using FreeBSD box ? Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 17:35:56 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA13526 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:35:56 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA13511 ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:35:44 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA11445; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 10:29:03 +1000 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 10:29:03 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199504280029.KAA11445@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: julian@ref.tfs.com, waarbau@super.org Subject: Re: 0412 SNAP install hangs after 'changing root device ...' Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org, tom@batc.allied.com Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >It looks as if we have a problem with the new slice code that went >out in the last SNAP. How does sysinstall handle slices? Not? >My guess is that certain disklabel/BIOS-data/MBR combinations >are interpretted differently than before, leading to >an inability to read the root partition... >> >> >> 3. During the install of 0412 newfs produces the following warning >> message 'Calculated sectors per cylinder 4096 disagrees with disklabel >> (2046). No other warnings/errors are produced during the install. >I think this is possibly a clue.. Probably not. This is a normal warning. newfs now always uses 4096 sectors per cylinder by default. Bruce From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 17:41:19 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA13746 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:41:19 -0700 Received: from RosedeLima.Vir.com (RosedeLima.Vir.com [199.84.154.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA13738 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:41:13 -0700 Received: from ipdyne8.vir.com by Vir.com (8.6.10/2.0) id TAA13457; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 19:37:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 19:37:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199504280037.TAA13457@Vir.com> X-Sender: procecorjb@vir.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@FreeBSD.org From: procecorjb@Vir.com (Robert Burns) Subject: fd0c: hard error reading fsbn 16 0f 16-31 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been trying to boot from the boot.flp and here's what i'm getting: ++++++++++++++++ fd0c: hard error reading fsbn 16 0f 16-31 (ST0 40 ST1 ST2 0 cyl 0 hd sec 17) panic:cannot mount root syncing disks... done Automatic reboot in 15 sec etc........ +++++++++++++++++ I'm thought my hd and cd were supported. I've got, buslogic bt-946c Fast SCSI PCI controller 1.06 Gb drive SCSI 4x cd SCSI 3-1/4 1.44Mb Floppy What can be the problem???? Robert Burns procecorjb@vir.com mtl,ca From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 18:43:04 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA19877 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:43:04 -0700 Received: from s2242.infonet.net (s2242.netins.net [167.142.102.242]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA19856 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:42:57 -0700 Received: (from sns@localhost) by s2242.infonet.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA00573 for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:42:37 -0500 From: sergey stepanenko Message-Id: <199504280142.UAA00573@s2242.infonet.net> Subject: SMP and pentium code To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:42:37 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 170 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk have a question, how soon will we see native pentium code and probably support for SMP (two and more P5 processors) ? may be will get second pentium this summer... sns From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 18:44:46 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA19996 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:44:46 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA19988 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:44:45 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA18160; Thu, 27 Apr 95 19:38:11 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504280138.AA18160@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: fd0c: hard error reading fsbn 16 0f 16-31 To: procecorjb@Vir.com (Robert Burns) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 19:38:11 MDT Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199504280037.TAA13457@Vir.com> from "Robert Burns" at Apr 27, 95 07:37:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > ++++++++++++++++ > fd0c: hard error reading fsbn 16 0f 16-31 (ST0 40 ST1 ST2 0 > cyl 0 hd sec 17) > panic:cannot mount root > > syncing disks... done > Automatic reboot in 15 sec etc........ > +++++++++++++++++ > > I'm thought my hd and cd were supported. > I've got, > buslogic bt-946c Fast SCSI PCI controller > 1.06 Gb drive SCSI > 4x cd SCSI > 3-1/4 1.44Mb Floppy ^^^^^^ **MAKE SURE YOUR BIOS SETUP KNOWS THIS!!!** > > What can be the problem???? Otherwise your floppy has a bad block on it. You need to reformat it, and if that doesn't fix it, use a new floppy. fd0c = floppy disk slice 'c' fsbn = file system block number. I can't decode the status words returned by the floppy controller without books or code in front of me. Maybe someone will elaborate on exactly what your floppy controller doesn't like about your floppy, since I can't figure out what "abmrnl" is supposed to be an abbreviation for. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 20:17:58 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA22732 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:17:58 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA22722 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:17:55 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA25549; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:17:13 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199504280317.XAA25549@haven.ios.com> Subject: Re: Ethernet --> Microwave/Satellite connection To: mcw@hpato.aus.hp.com (M C Wong) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199504272355.AA124906940@relay.hp.com> from "M C Wong" at Apr 28, 95 09:55:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1144 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi , > Just wonder what are the cheapest equipments are needed for linking > 2 LANs via microwave/satellite. Does it require any special software > on FreeBSD part even though I am not directly using FreeBSD box as such > a microwave/satellite station, 8-)). Most probably you'll want to terminate the links on the routers ( CISCO/Wellfleet/whatever) which will be able to deal with T1 speed range ( 1Mbps and higher). Unless you find some V35 plug'n'play card for PC which is supported by FreeBSD. Try to find the equipment which is certified and does not require the permissiom to install/use ( some manufacters bought/registered freq. ranges country-wide , so the customers doesn't have to deal with licensing and stuff ). Do not use sattelites, unless you have no choices - the delay is huge ( at least 2x30.000Km ) - interactive stuff will be slow. > > What other alternative do I have with wire-less connection using > FreeBSD box ? The FreeBSD itself has almost nothing to do with this particular physical level I would say , and support of proprietory HW is not the best side of FreeBSD ... rashid From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 20:33:50 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA23254 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:33:50 -0700 Received: from easynet.com (easyr.easynet.net [198.67.38.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA23247 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:33:48 -0700 Received: by easynet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0s4goL-000rd1C; Thu, 27 Apr 95 20:33 WET DST Message-Id: From: brian@mediacity.com (Brian Litzinger) Subject: oddities figured out To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:33:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 691 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk DNS. Somewhere down the line DNS was not responding. Apparently after some timeout the nameserver used /etc/hosts instead. This confused me 'cuz I came from the BSDI world were we didn't have this feature. As to the passwd permission denied. /usr/bin/passwd was owned by bin instead of root. I understand the DNS problem. How /usr/bin/passwd got owned by bin I suppose I'll never know. This just goes to show you the many healing properties of posting to the net or mailing lists. I spent may 2 hours struggling with the problems. Though once I posted to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, all became clear and in a matters of minutes all was better. Brian Litzinger brian@easynet.com From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 20:53:44 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA26705 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:53:44 -0700 Received: from panix.com (panix.com [198.7.0.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA26698 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:53:41 -0700 Received: (from dds@localhost) by panix.com (8.6.12/8.6.10+PanixU1.0) id XAA27749; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:53:37 -0400 From: Robert Silver Message-Id: <199504280353.XAA27749@panix.com> Subject: HELP with NCR bootflopies To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dds@panix.com (Robert Silver) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 207 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there any way that I may obtain the boot file images that handle the PCI NCR SCSI CARD. If so where can I get a copy from. My IRQ is 9 I understand each driver must assign a value based on IRQ number. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 21:02:22 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA26950 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:02:22 -0700 Received: from warrane.connect.com.au (warrane.connect.com.au [192.189.54.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA26943 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:02:12 -0700 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by warrane.connect.com.au with UUCP id OAA05617 (8.6.11/IDA-1.6 for questions@FreeBSD.org); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:01:44 +1000 Received: from testing.jhbs.com.au (testing.jhbs.com.au [128.102.0.2]) by ubik.jhbs.com.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA185306 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:46:23 +1000 Received: (from bens@localhost) by testing.jhbs.com.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA28544; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:46:24 +1000 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:46:24 +1000 (EET) From: Ben Seaman MIS To: questions FreeBSD Subject: DOS/Windows Development Platform Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, We want to use our FreeBSD box to develop DOS/Windows applications written in C/C++. Is there any way of doing this with gcc running on our FreeBSD system? regards, Ben ************************************************************************* * Ben Seaman bens@jhbs.com.au * * AIX/Network Systems Specialist * * Nettrack Pty Ltd * * * * 61-2-8588527 (work) James Hardie Building Services * * 61-2-4384385 (office) * ************************************************************************* From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 21:09:46 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA27246 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:09:46 -0700 Received: from argon.chem.ucla.edu (argon.chem.ucla.edu [128.97.35.240]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA27240 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:09:44 -0700 From: barkovich@uclac2.chem.ucla.edu Received: from UCLAC2 (uclac2.chem.ucla.edu) by argon.chem.ucla.edu (Sendmail 4.1/1.08) id AA03527; Thu, 27 Apr 95 20:59:09 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:04:02 -0700 Message-Id: <95042720040232@uclac2.chem.ucla.edu> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: help... X-Vms-To: SMTP%"questions@FreeBSD.org" Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am having trouble with my FreeBSD 2.0. I cannot get executables to run properly. The only way I can get them to run is with shell (sh executable). I am used to just typing the executable name. I thought it might be a permission problem, but the permissions look OK to me and I'm logging in as root. Whenever I type the executable name it just responds with "command not found". I am still trying to get X windows installed, but haven't really tried in some time due to this problem. I tried to look at my system with both SuperProbe and X -probeonly (I have a symbolic link to the correct file) but when I just type them it says "X: command not found", and when I type "sh X -probeonly" it just gives me a bunch of garbage. I'm beginning to wonder if there is something wrong with my bindist. If you have any answers, I'd be much appreciative. Thank you... Robert Barkovich barkovich@uclach.chem.ucla.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 21:13:01 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA27363 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:13:01 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA27355 ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:13:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA01040; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:12:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Julian Elischer cc: waarbau@super.org (William A. Arbaugh), hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org, tom@batc.allied.com Subject: Re: 0412 SNAP install hangs after 'changing root device ...' In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:59:54 PDT." <199504272059.NAA17732@ref.tfs.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:12:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1038.799042353@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It looks as if we have a problem with the new slice code that went > out in the last SNAP. > There wasn't any slice code in the last snap. Jordan From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 23:05:55 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA00471 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:05:55 -0700 Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA00460 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:05:53 -0700 Received: from user34.lightside.com by covina.lightside.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s4jBU-0009YFC; Thu, 27 Apr 95 23:05 PDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 23:05 PDT X-Sender: kkoay@covina.lightside.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com From: kkoay@lightside.com (Kok K. Koay) Subject: Re: Seeking brief beginning advice for how to get started with FreeBSD Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hello, >I have been trying to find out how to contact a group called Free Software >Foundation, because I have been wanting to get started with Unix on my home >computer. I program business applications for a living and am considered one >of the more technically capable people in my dept. at work, but don't really >know how to get started with "straying away" from the ol' DOS and Windows and >adding the ability to run an entirely new OS to my (486DX266 Intel, 8Meg, >VLB/IDE/420 Meg) system. >Can you steer me to a good book that would give me an idea how to get started >if I want to add something like FreeBSD to my system? >Thank you for your time in reading this! > This might look a little bit out of place, but it is easier to start out with Linux because it has more documentations than FreeBSD. "The Linux Bible" is a very good book for starter and it covers quite detail in every major aspect of Linux. In certain areas, it also apply to FreeBSD with minor variations but overall it will get you started and move to FreeBSD. You can get both FreeBSD and Linux CD-ROM and "The Linux Bible" from Walnet Creek CDROM (1-510-674-0783 or info@cdrom.com). Believe me, it is not as easy as it look to get FreeBSD up and running even though I have very extensive knowledge in Unix. Most of the problems are from hardware incompatibility and required some jumper settings in order to make it work. Some are from the minor variations in OS implementations and the hardest of all is the limited documentations. I hope this will help you getting started. BTW you can browse the Walnet Creek CDROM www server for more info by connecting to www.cdrom.com. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 23:31:07 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA00898 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:31:07 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA00892 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:31:04 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id CAA07347; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 02:26:29 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199504280626.CAA07347@hda.com> Subject: Re: Ethernet --> Microwave/Satellite connection To: rashid@haven.ios.com (Rashid Karimov.) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 02:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: mcw@hpato.aus.hp.com, freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199504280317.XAA25549@haven.ios.com> from "Rashid Karimov." at Apr 27, 95 11:17:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 598 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rashid Karimov. writes: > > > The FreeBSD itself has almost nothing to do with > this particular physical level I would say , > and support of proprietory HW is not the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > best side of FreeBSD ... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm not sure what you mean by this, since you have all the source for creating your own custom software and integrating it cleanly into the system. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 23:33:22 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA00925 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:33:22 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA00919 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:33:18 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id CAA07364; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 02:31:46 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199504280631.CAA07364@hda.com> Subject: Re: fd0c: hard error reading fsbn 16 0f 16-31 To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 02:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: procecorjb@Vir.com, questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9504280138.AA18160@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Apr 27, 95 07:38:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1689 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > fd0c: hard error reading fsbn 16 0f 16-31 (ST0 40 ST1 ST2 0 > > cyl 0 hd sec 17) > > panic:cannot mount root > > > > syncing disks... done > > Automatic reboot in 15 sec etc........ > > +++++++++++++++++ > > > > I'm thought my hd and cd were supported. > > I've got, > > buslogic bt-946c Fast SCSI PCI controller > > 1.06 Gb drive SCSI > > 4x cd SCSI > > 3-1/4 1.44Mb Floppy > ^^^^^^ > **MAKE SURE YOUR BIOS SETUP KNOWS THIS!!!** > > > > > What can be the problem???? > > Otherwise your floppy has a bad block on it. You need to reformat it, > and if that doesn't fix it, use a new floppy. > > fd0c = floppy disk slice 'c' > fsbn = file system block number. > > I can't decode the status words returned by the floppy controller > without books or code in front of me. Maybe someone will elaborate > on exactly what your floppy controller doesn't like about your > floppy, since I can't figure out what "abmrnl" is supposed to be an > abbreviation for. We did have the "2.0 boot floppy problem". It would be helpful to include a little more info. We need to at least know exactly which software you're booting (2.0R, snap version, etc.), and info such as the motherboard manufacturer and BIOS manufacturer if you know them. The "boot floppy problem" was present at least in some Micronics motherboards with Phoenix BIOS. That problem is fixed in any of the snaps. Try a different boot floppy, and if it fixes it install the snap. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 27 23:40:19 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA01053 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:40:19 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA01047 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:40:14 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id CAA07409; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 02:38:44 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199504280638.CAA07409@hda.com> Subject: Re: help... To: barkovich@uclac2.chem.ucla.edu Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 02:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <95042720040232@uclac2.chem.ucla.edu> from "barkovich@uclac2.chem.ucla.edu" at Apr 27, 95 08:04:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1451 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk barkovich@uclac2.chem.ucla.edu writes: > > I am having trouble with my FreeBSD 2.0. I cannot get executables to run > properly. The only way I can get them to run is with shell (sh executable). > I am used to just typing the executable name. I thought it might be a > permission problem, but the permissions look OK to me and I'm logging in as > root. Whenever I type the executable name it just responds with "command > not found". Your executable must be in your search path. This is similar to the DOS PATH command. This is a variable in your shell and setting it up differs based on the shell you are using. If you are using csh, edit your ~/.cshrc file and find where "path" is set up and add the binary directory for X windows; I think it is /usr/X11R6/bin. > I am still trying to get X windows installed, but haven't really > tried in some time due to this problem. I tried to look at my system with > both SuperProbe and X -probeonly (I have a symbolic link to the correct file) > but when I just type them it says "X: command not found", and when I type > "sh X -probeonly" it just gives me a bunch of garbage. You are trying to execute the X server as a command file. Try setting your search path, log out and log back in, and see if things work better. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 00:35:33 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA01899 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 00:35:33 -0700 Received: from FirePower.COM (firepower.firepower.com [198.4.104.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA01885 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 00:35:25 -0700 Received: from tuskppp by FirePower.COM (NX5.67d/NX4.0Mhb.0b) id AA09158; Fri, 28 Apr 95 00:34:54 -0700 Received: from rhiannon by tusk.dsms.sanmateo.ca.us (NX5.67e/NX3.0M.dsms.0.3) id AA19546; Fri, 28 Apr 95 00:34:20 -0700 Message-Id: <9504280734.AA19546@tusk.dsms.sanmateo.ca.us> Received: by rhiannon.dsms.sanmateo.ca.us (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA01762; Fri, 28 Apr 95 00:34:18 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: harold barker Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 00:34:16 -0700 To: waarbau@super.org Subject: Re: 0412 SNAP install hangs after 'changing root device ...' Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org, tom@batc.allied.com Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk here is what finaly worked for me. root@bananna:/[304] dmesg FreeBSD 2.0.950412-SNAP #0: Thu Apr 27 22:57:34 1995 root@bananna.dsms.sanmateo.ca.us:/usr/src/sys/compile/DSMS CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) real memory = 12189696 (2976 pages) avail memory = 10592256 (2586 pages) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> lpt0 not found at 0x3bc sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16450 pca0 on motherboard pca0: PC speaker audio driver aha0 is a 154xCF-2.01-VC.0: enabling mailbox and residuals aha0: reading board settings, dma=5 int=11 (bus speed defaulted) aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa (aha0:0:0): "SEAGATE ST3600N 9690" is a type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(aha0:0:0): Direct-Access 500MB (1025920 512 byte sectors) fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 765 fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in fd1: 1.2MB 5.25in 1 3C5x9 board(s) on ISA found at 0x300 ep0 at 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa ep0: aui/bnc/utp[*BNC*] address 00:60:8c:f3:b1:e1 irq 10 bpf: ep0 attached npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface bio_imask c0000840 tty_imask c0030412 net_imask c0030412 bpf: ds0 attached bpf: lo0 attached bpf: ppp0 attached bpf: ppp1 attached bpf: sl0 attached bpf: sl1 attached bpf: tun0 attached root@bananna:/[305] and /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/DSMS ------------------------------------------------------------------- # # LINT -- config file for checking all the sources, tries to pull in # as much of the source tree as it can. # # $Id: LINT,v 1.168 1995/04/12 22:02:51 phk Exp $ # # NB: You probably don't want to try running a kernel built from this # file. Instead, you should start from GENERIC, and add options from # this file as required. # # # This directive is mandatory; it defines the architecture to be # configured for; in this case, the 386 family. You must also specify # at least one CPU (the one you intend to run on); deleting the # specification for CPUs you don't need to use may make parts of the # system run faster # machine "i386" #cpu "I386_CPU" cpu "I486_CPU" #cpu "I586_CPU" # aka Pentium(tm) # # This is the ``identification'' of the kernel. Usually this should # be the same as the name of your kernel. # ident DSMS # # The `maxusers' parameter controls the static sizing of a number of # internal system tables by a complicated formula defined in param.c. # maxusers 16 # # Under some circumstances it is necessary to make the default max # number of proccesses per user and open files per user more than the # defaults on bootup. (an example is a large news server in which # the uid, news, can sometimes need > 100 simultaneous processes running) options "CHILD_MAX=128" options "OPEN_MAX=128" # # A math emulator is mandatory if you wish to run on hardware which # does not have a floating-point processor. Pick either the original, # bogus (but freely-distributable) math emulator, or a much more # fully-featured but GPL-licensed emulator taken from Linux. # options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation #options GPL_MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emualtion via #new math emulator # # This directive defines a number of things: # - The compiled kernel is to be called `kernel' # - The root filesystem might be on partition wd0a # - The kernel can swap on wd0b and sd0b, defaulting to the former # - Crash dumps will be written to wd0b, if possible # config kernel root on sd0 swap on sd0 dumps on sd0 ##################################################################### # COMPATIBILITY OPTIONS # # Implement system calls compatible with 4.3BSD and older versions of # FreeBSD. # options "COMPAT_43" # # Allow user-mode programs to manipulat their local descriptor tables. # This option is required for the WINE Windows(tm) emulator, and is # not used by anything else (that we know of). # options USER_LDT #allow user-level control of i386 ldt # # These three options provide support for System V Interface # Definition-style interprocess communication, in the form of shared # memory, semaphores, and message queues, respectively. # options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG ##################################################################### # DEBUGGING OPTIONS # # Enable the kernel debugger. # options DDB # # Enable dumping of the kernel image to swap for panics. This is not # the default because writing to misconfigured swap may wipe out file # systems. # options DODUMP # # KTRACE enables the system-call tracing facility ktrace(2). # options KTRACE #kernel tracing # # The DIAGNOSTIC option is used in a number of source files to enable # extra sanity checking of internal structures. This support is not # enabled by default because of the extra time it would take to check # for these conditions, which can only occur as a result of # programming errors. # options DIAGNOSTIC # # Allow ordinary users to take the console - this is useful for X. options UCONSOLE ##################################################################### # NETWORKING OPTIONS # # Protocol families: # Only the INET (Internet) family is officially supported in FreeBSD. # Source code for the NS (Xerox Network Service), ISO (OSI), and # CCITT (X.25) families is provided for amusement value, although we # try to ensure that it actually compiles. # options INET #Internet communications protocols #options ISO #options CCITT #X.25 network layer #options NS #Xerox NS communications protocols #options TPIP #ISO TP class 4 over IP #options TPCONS #ISO TP class 0 over X.25 # # Network interfaces: # The `loop' pseudo-device is mandatory when networking is enabled. # The `ether' pseudo-device provides generic code to handle # Ethernets; it is mandatory when a Ethernet device driver is # configured. # The 'fddi' pseudo-device provides generic code to support FDDI. # The `sppp' pseudo-device serves a similar role for certain types # of synchronous PPP links (like `cx'). # The `sl' pseudo-device implements the Serial Line IP (SLIP) service. # The `ppp' pseudo-device implements the Point-to-Point Protocol. # The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. Be # aware of the legal and administrative consequences of enabling this # option. The number of devices determines the maximum number of # simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable. # The `disc' pseudo-device implements a minimal network interface, # which throws away all packets sent and never receives any. It is # included for testing purposes. # The `tun' pseudo-device implements the User Process PPP (iijppp) # pseudo-device ether #Generic Ethernet #pseudo-device fddi #Generic FDDI pseudo-device sppp #Generic Synchronous PPP pseudo-device loop #Network loopback device pseudo-device sl 2 #Serial Line IP pseudo-device ppp 2 #Point-to-point protocol pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter pseudo-device disc #Discard device pseudo-device tun 1 #Tunnel driver(user process ppp) #options NSIP #XNS over IP #options EON #ISO CLNP over IP #options LLC #X.25 link layer for Ethernets #options HDLC #X.25 link layer for serial lines # # Internet family options: # # TCP_COMPAT_42 causes the TCP code to emulate certain bugs present in # 4.2BSD. This option should not be used unless you have a 4.2BSD # machine and TCP connections fail. # # GATEWAY allows the machine to forward packets, and also configures # larger static sizes of a number of system tables. # # MROUTING enables the kernel multicast packet forwarder, which works # with mrouted(8). # # IPFIREWALL enables support for IP firewall construction, in # conjunction with the `ipfw' program. IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE does # the obvious thing. # IPACCT enables IP accounting. # # ARP_PROXYALL enables global proxy ARP. Beware! This can burn # your house down! See netinet/if_ether.c for the gory details. # (Eventually there will be a better management interface.) # options "TCP_COMPAT_42" #emulate 4.2BSD TCP bugs options GATEWAY #internetwork gateway #options MROUTING # Multicast routing options IPFIREWALL #firewall options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE #print information about options IPACCT #ipaccounting # dropped packets #options ARP_PROXYALL # global proxy ARP ##################################################################### # FILESYSTEM OPTIONS # # Only the root, /usr, and /tmp filesystems need be statically # compiled; everything else will be automatically loaded at mount # time. (Exception: the UFS family---FFS, MFS, and LFS---cannot # currently be demand-loaded.) Some people still prefer to statically # compile other filesystems as well. # # NB: The LFS, PORTAL, and UNION filesystems are known to be buggy, # and WILL panic your system if you attempt to do anything with them. # They are included here as an incentive for some enterprising soul to # sit down and fix them. # # Note: 4.4BSD NQNFS lease checking has relatively high cost for # _local_ I/O as well as remote I/O. Don't use it unless you will # using NQNFS. # # One of these is mandatory: options FFS #Fast filesystem options NFS #Network File System # The rest are optional: #options NQNFS #Enable NQNFS lease checking options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 filesystem options FDESC #File descriptor filesystem options KERNFS #Kernel filesystem options LFS #Log filesystem options MFS #Memory File System options MSDOSFS #MS DOS File System options NULLFS #NULL filesystem options PORTAL #Portal filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options UMAPFS #UID map filesystem options UNION #Union filesystem # # Disk quotas are supported when this option is enabled. If you # change the value of this option, you must do a `make clean' in your # kernel compile directory in order to get a working kernel. # #options QUOTA #enable disk quotas ##################################################################### # SCSI DEVICES # SCSI OPTIONS: # SCSIDEBUG: When defined enables debugging macros # NO_SCSI_SENSE: When defined disables sense descriptions (about 4k) # SCSI DEVICE CONFIGURATION # The SCSI subsystem consists of the `base' SCSI code, a number of # high-level SCSI device `type' drivers, and the low-level host-adapter # device drivers. The host adapters are listed in the ISA and PCI # device configuration sections below. # # Beginning with FreeBSD 2.1 you can wire down your SCSI devices so # that a given bus, target, and LUN always come on line as the same # device unit. In earlier versions the unit numbers were assigned # in the order that the devices were probed on the SCSI bus. This # means that if you removed a disk drive, you may have had to rewrite # your /etc/fstab file, and also that you had to be careful when adding # a new disk as it may have been probed earlier and moved your device # configuration around. # This old behavior is maintained as the default behavior. The unit # assignment begins with the first non-wired down unit for a device # type. For example, if you wire a disk as "sd3" then the first # non-wired disk will be assigned sd4. # The syntax for wiring down devices is: # disk sd0 at scbus0 target 0 unit 0 # disk sd1 at scbus0 target 1 # disk sd2 at scbus0 target 3 # tape st1 at scbus0 target 6 # device cd0 at scbus? # "units" (SCSI logical unit number) that are not specified are # treated as if specified as LUN 0. # All SCSI devices allocate as many units as are required. # The "unknown" device (uk? in pre-2.1) is now part of the base SCSI # configuration and doesn't have to be explicitly configured. controller scbus0 #base SCSI code device ch0 #SCSI media changers device sd0 #SCSI disks device st0 #SCSI tapes device cd0 #SCSI CD-ROMs ##################################################################### # MISCELLANEOUS DEVICES AND OPTIONS # # Of these, only the `log' device is truly mandatory. The `pty' # device usually turns out to be ``effectively mandatory'', as it is # required for `telnetd', `rlogind', `screen', `emacs', and `xterm', # among others. # pseudo-device pty 16 #Pseudo ttys - can go as high as 64 pseudo-device speaker #Play IBM BASIC-style noises out your speaker pseudo-device log #Kernel syslog interface (/dev/klog) pseudo-device gzip #Exec gzipped a.out's pseudo-device vn #Vnode driver (turns a file into a device) pseudo-device snp 3 #Snoop device - to look at pty/vty/etc.. ##################################################################### # HARDWARE DEVICE CONFIGURATION # ISA and EISA devices: # Currently there is no separate support for EISA. There should be. # Micro Channel is not supported at all. # # Mandatory ISA devices: isa, sc, npx # controller isa0 # # Options for `isa': # # ALLOW_CONFLICT_DRQ suppresses the DMA conflict checks. This option is # included so that people with sound cards that support multiple emulations # can setup different sound drivers on the same DMA channel. There are no # other known uses for this option. # # ALLOW_CONFLICT_IOADDR suppresses the I/O address conflict checks, so # that the PS/2 mouse driver doesn't conflict with the console driver. # # ALLOW_CONFLICT_IRQ suppresses the interrupt line conflict checks, so # that multiple devices can share the same IRQ, provided that the # hardware supports it (it usually doesn't). # # ALLOW_CONFLICT_MEMADDR suppresses the memory address conflict checks. # This option is not known to be good for anything. # # AUTO_EOI_1 enables the `automatic EOI' feature for the master 8259A # interrupt controller. This saves about 1.25 usec for each interrupt. # No problems are known to be caused by this option. # # AUTO_EOI_2 enables the `automatic EOI' feature for the slave 8259A # interrupt controller. This saves about 1.25 usec for each interrupt. # Automatic EOI is documented not to work for for the slave with the # original i8259A, but it works for some clones and some integrated # versions. # # BOUNCE_BUFFERS provides support for ISA DMA on machines with more # than 16 megabytes of memory. It doesn't hurt on other machines. # Some broken EISA and VLB hardware may need this, too. # # DUMMY_NOPS disables extra delays for some bus operations. The delays # are mostly for older systems and aren't used consistently. Probably # works OK on most EISA bus machines. # # TUNE_1542 enables the automatic ISA bus speed selection for the # Adaptec 1542 boards. Does not work for all boards, use it with caution. # #options ALLOW_CONFLICT_DRQ #options ALLOW_CONFLICT_IOADDR #options ALLOW_CONFLICT_IRQ #options ALLOW_CONFLICT_MEMADDR options "AUTO_EOI_1" #options "AUTO_EOI_2" options BOUNCE_BUFFERS #options DUMMY_NOPS #options TUNE_1542 # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector pcrint #options "PCVT_FREEBSD=210" # pcvt running on FreeBSD 2.1 options XSERVER # include code for XFree86 options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor # The syscons console driver (sco color console compatible) - default. device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr # # Options for `sc': # # HARDFONTS allows the driver to load an ISO-8859-1 font to replace # the default font in your display adapter's memory. # options HARDFONTS # # MAXCONS is maximum number of virtual consoles, no more than 16 # default value: 12 # options "MAXCONS=16" device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr # # Optional ISA and EISA devices: # # # SCSI host adapters: `aha', `ahb', `aic', `bt', `nca' # # aha: Adaptec 154x # ahb: Adaptec 174x # ahc: Adaptec 274x/284x/294x # aic: Adaptec 152x and sound cards using the Adaptec AIC-6360 (slow!) # bt: Most Buslogic controllers # nca: ProAudioSpectrum cards using the NCR 5380 or Trantor T130 # uha: UltraStore 14F and 34F # sea: Seagate ST01/02 8 bit controller (slow!) # wds: Western Digital WD7000 controller (no scatter/gather!). # # Note that the order is important in order for Buslogic cards to be # probed correctly. # #controller bt0 at isa? port "IO_BT0" bio irq ? vector btintr #controller ahc0 at isa? bio irq ? vector ahcintr # port??? iomem? #controller ahb0 at isa? bio irq ? vector ahbintr controller aha0 at isa? port "IO_AHA0" bio irq ? drq 5 vector ahaintr #controller uha0 at isa? port "IO_UHA0" bio irq ? drq 5 vector uhaintr #controller aic0 at isa? port 0x340 bio irq 11 vector aicintr #controller nca0 at isa? port 0x1f88 bio irq 10 vector ncaintr #controller nca1 at isa? port 0x1f84 #controller nca2 at isa? port 0x1f8c #controller nca3 at isa? port 0x1e88 #controller nca4 at isa? port 0x350 bio irq 5 vector ncaintr #controller sea0 at isa? bio irq 5 iomem 0xdc000 iosiz 0x2000 vector seaintr #controller wds0 at isa? port 0x350 bio irq 15 drq 6 vector wdsintr # # ST-506, ESDI, and IDE hard disks: `wdc' and `wd' # # NB: ``Enhanced IDE'' is NOT supported at this time. # #controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr #disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 #disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 #controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr #disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 #disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 # # Standard floppy disk controllers and floppy tapes: `fdc', `fd', and `ft' # controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 #tape ft0 at fdc0 drive 2 # # Options for `fd': # # FDSEEKWAIT selects a non-default head-settle time (i.e., the time to # wait after a seek is performed). The default value (1/32 s) is # usually sufficient. The units are inverse seconds, so a value of 16 # here means to wait 1/16th of a second; you should choose a power of # two. # options FDSEEKWAIT="16" # # Other standard PC hardware: `lpt', `mse', `psm', `sio', etc. # # lpt: printer port # mse: Logitech and ATI InPort bus mouse ports # psm: PS/2 mouse port (needs ALLOW_CONFLICT_IOADDR, above) # sio: serial ports (see sio(4)) # cy: Cyclades high-speed serial driver (ALPHA QUALITY!) # gp: National Instruments AT-GPIB and AT-GPIB/TNT board # gsc: Genius GS-4500 hand scanner. # joy: joystick device lpt0 at isa? port "IO_LPT3" tty irq 7 vector lptintr #device mse0 at isa? port 0x23c tty irq 5 vector mseintr #device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 12 vector psmintr device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr #device gp0 at isa? port 0x2c0 tty #device gsc0 at isa? port "IO_GSC1" tty drq 3 #device joy0 at isa? port "IO_GAME" #device cy0 at isa? tty irq 10 iomem 0xd4000 vector cyintr # Options for sio: #options COMCONSOLE #prefer serial console to video console #options COM_MULTIPORT #code for some cards with shared IRQs #options DSI_SOFT_MODEM #code for DSI Softmodems #options BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER #a BREAK on a comconsole goes to #DDB, if available. # # Network interfaces: `cx', `ed', `el', `ep', `ie', `is', `le', `lnc' # # cx: Cronyx/Sigma multiport sync/async (with Cisco or PPP framing) # ed: Western Digital and SMC 80xx; Novell NE1000 and NE2000; 3Com 3C503 # el: 3Com 3C501 (slow!) # ep: 3Com 3C509 (buggy) # fea: DEC DEFEA EISA FDDI adapter # ie: AT&T StarLAN 10 and EN100; 3Com 3C507; unknown NI5210 # le: Digital Equipment EtherWorks 2 and EtherWorks 3 (DEPCA, DE100, # DE101, DE200, DE201, DE202, DE203, DE204, DE205, DE422) # lnc: Lance/PCnet cards (Isolan, Novell NE2100, NE32-VL) # ze: IBM/National Semiconductor PCMCIA ethernet controller. # zp: 3Com PCMCIA Etherlink III (It does not require shared memory for # send/receive operation, but it needs 'iomem' to read/write the # attribute memory) # #device cx0 at isa? port 0x240 net irq 15 drq 7 vector cxintr #device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr #device eg0 at isa? port 0x310 net irq 5 vector egintr #device el0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 9 vector elintr device ep0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 vector epintr #device fea0 at isa? net irq ? vector feaintr #device ie0 at isa? port 0x360 net irq 7 iomem 0xd0000 vector ieintr #device ix0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd0000 iosiz 32768 vector ixintr #device le0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 vector le_intr #device lnc0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 drq 0 vector lncintr #device ze0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector zeintr #device zp0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 vector zpintr # ISDN drivers - `isdn'. # # Uncomment one (and only one) of the following 4 drivers for the appropriate # ISDN device you have. For more information on what's considered appropriate # for your given set of circumstances, please read # /usr/src/gnu/usr.sbin/docs/INSTALL. It's a bit sparse at present, but it's # the best we have right now. The snic driver is also disabled at present, # waiting for someone to upgrade the driver to 2.0 (it's in /sys/gnu/scsi/). # #device nic0 at isa? port "IO_COM3" iomem 0xe0000 tty irq 9 vector nicintr #device nnic0 at isa? port 0x150 iomem 0xe0000 tty irq 12 vector nnicintr # This one is also temporarily ill - needs an isa_device structure!! #controller tel0 at isa? iomem 0xe0000 tty irq 9 vector telintr # These are non-optional for ISDN #pseudo-device isdn #pseudo-device ii 4 #pseudo-device ity 4 #pseudo-device itel 2 #pseudo-device ispy 1 # # Audio drivers: `snd', `pca' # # snd: Voxware sound drivers for various cards # see /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/sound/sound.doc for details # pca: PCM audio through your PC speaker # # SB = SoundBlaster; PAS = ProAudioSpectrum; GUS = Gravis UltraSound # Controls all sound devices controller snd0 # SoundBlaster DSP driver - for SB, SB Pro, SB16, PAS(emulating SB) #device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 drq 1 vector sbintr # SoundBlaster 16 DSP driver - for SB16 - requires sb0 device #device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 # SoundBlaster 16 MIDI - for SB16 - requires sb0 device #device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330 # ProAudioSpectrum PCM and Midi - for PAS #device pas0 at isa? port 0x388 irq 10 drq 6 vector pasintr # Gravis UltraSound - for GUS, GUS16, GUSMAX #device gus0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 11 drq 1 vector gusintr # Gravis UltraSound 16 bit option - for GUS16 - requires gus0 #device gusxvi0 at isa? port 0x530 irq 7 drq 3 vector adintr # Gravis UltraSound MAX - for GUSMAX - requires gus0 #device gusmax0 at isa? port 0x32c # MS Sound System #device mss0 at isa? port 0x530 irq 10 drq 1 vector adintr # Yamaha OPL-2/OPL-3 FM - for SB, SB Pro, SB16, PAS #device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 # MPU-401 - for MPU-401 standalone card #device mpu0 at isa? port 0x330 irq 6 drq 0 # 6850 UART Midi #device uart0 at isa? port 0x330 irq 5 vector "m6850intr" device pca0 at isa? port IO_TIMER1 tty # # Miscellaneous hardware: `mcd', `wt', `ctx', `apm' # # mcd: Mitsumi CD-ROM # scd: Sony CD-ROM # matcd: Matsushita/Panasonic CD-ROM # wt: Wangtek and Archive QIC-02/QIC-36 tape drives # ctx: Cortex-I frame grabber # apm: Laptop Advanced Power Management (experimental) # spigot: The Creative Labs Video Spigot video-aquisition board # # Notes on the spigot: # The video spigot is at 0xad6. This port address can not be changed. # The irq values may only be 10, 11, or 15 # I/O memory is an 8kb region. Possible values are: # 0a0000, 0a2000, ..., 0fffff, f00000, f02000, ..., ffffff # Note that the start address must be on an even boundary. #device mcd0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 10 vector mcdintr # for the Sony CDU31/33A CDROM #device scd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio # for the soundblaster 16 multicd - up to 4 devices #controller matcd0 at isa? port ? #controller matcd1 at isa? port ? #controller matcd2 at isa? port ? #controller matcd3 at isa? port ? #device wt0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 5 drq 1 vector wtintr #device ctx0 at isa? port 0x230 iomem 0xd0000 #device spigot0 at isa? port 0xad6 irq 15 iomem 0xee000 vector spigintr #device apm0 at isa? # # PCI devices: # # The main PCI bus device is `pci'. It provides auto-detection and # configuration support for all devices on the PCI bus, using either # configuration mode defined in the PCI specification. # # The `ncr' device provides support for the NCR 53C810 and 53C825 # self-contained SCSI host adapters. # # The `de' device provides support for the Digital Equipment DC21040 # self-contained Ethernet adapter. # # The `fpa' device provides support for the Digital DEFPA PCI FDDI # adapter. pseudo-device fddi is also needed. # # The PROBE_VERBOSE option enables a long listing of chip set registers # for supported PCI chip sets (currently only intel Saturn and Mercury). # controller pci0 #device ncr0 #device de0 #device fpa0 options PROBE_VERBOSE ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 03:49:17 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA08232 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 03:49:17 -0700 Received: from red-eft.la.ca.us (red-eft.la.ca.us [192.187.190.130]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA08222 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 03:49:10 -0700 Received: by red-eft.la.ca.us (NX5.67e/NX2.0+95.1) id AA04228; Fri, 28 Apr 95 10:49:02 GMT Received: by ibbs.anaheim.ca.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0s4hmw-00050hC; Thu, 27 Apr 95 21:36 PDT Message-Id: From: js@ibbs.anaheim.ca.us (Jeff Stillinger) Subject: Installing X To: Questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:36:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 320 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Good Morning, I was wondering how to install XFree from the Walnut Creek CDROM? When using the extract.sh program, and the chksums program several errors where returned. Things such as .tar... not found. It seems like the extract program is looking for tar files and has something else to work with. js From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 05:54:28 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA12575 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 05:54:28 -0700 Received: from tmpil001.tmp.allied.com (tmpil001.tmp.allied.com [198.80.19.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA12568 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 05:54:25 -0700 Received: from venus.batc.allied.com by tmpil001.tmp.allied.com with SMTP id AA15329 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 05:54:20 -0700 Received: from curly.allied.com (curly.batc.allied.com) by venus.batc.allied.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07112; Fri, 28 Apr 95 08:55:30 EDT Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 08:55:30 EDT From: tom@batc.allied.com (Tom Roden) Message-Id: <9504281255.AA07112@venus.batc.allied.com> To: questions@FreeBSD.org, waarbau@super.org Subject: Re: 0412 SNAP install hangs after 'changing root device ...' Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, julian@ref.tfs.com Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings, Thanks to one and all for the help. The problem disappears if you disable ie0. It apparently has a conflict with the 3c509 but it's not obvious to me what the conflict is. It would be good to know which driver the problem is in (or are they just incompatible). Can we rebuild the kernel with either a newer or an old driver? Regards, Tom From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 08:05:51 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA15999 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:05:51 -0700 Received: from copper.cmp.com (copper.cmp.com [198.80.26.247]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA15989 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:05:48 -0700 Received: from mailgate.cmp.com ([198.80.26.5]) by copper.cmp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA219591444; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:04:04 -0400 Received: by mailgate.cmp.com with Microsoft Mail id <2FA12E4C@mailgate.cmp.com>; Fri, 28 Apr 95 11:05:00 PDT From: Plyaskin Sergey To: "'.freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: where's perl5 ? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 11:02:00 PDT Message-Id: <2FA12E4C@mailgate.cmp.com> Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, Does anybody know where to get perl 5.001 (or 5.whatever I need for SATAN)? The binaries at wcarchive.cdrom.com are screwed up (I see only ~1K pieces). I checked the mirror sites with no luck. At least source, please. Thanks for any info. -Serge From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 08:13:45 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA16120 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:13:45 -0700 Received: from copper.cmp.com (copper.cmp.com [198.80.26.247]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA16114 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:13:43 -0700 Received: from mailgate.cmp.com ([198.80.26.5]) by copper.cmp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA224081919; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:11:59 -0400 Received: by mailgate.cmp.com with Microsoft Mail id <2FA13027@mailgate.cmp.com>; Fri, 28 Apr 95 11:12:55 PDT From: Plyaskin Sergey To: "'.freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: libraries Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 11:11:00 PDT Message-Id: <2FA13027@mailgate.cmp.com> Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm still trying to get fvwm working on my 950210 system. When I start fvwm, it complains about libXext.so.2.0 which is missing. I wonder where I can get these libraries (perhaps some other libraries are not there as well). Thank you. -Serge splyaski@cmp.com From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 08:37:35 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA16487 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:37:35 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA16481 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:37:33 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA20668; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:37:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:37:01 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9504281537.AA20668@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: steveb@strider.andyne.on.ca (Steven Bonisteel) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Routing weirdness? In-Reply-To: References: Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < inside and outside of our local net) .... BUT ... at startup and frequently > during normal operations, the system complains that arplookup is failing > for the following IP: > 198.96.21.224 > Now, I've entered "198.96.20.224" as my default router (and double-checked > this a half-dozen times!) So I can't figure out where the "21" is coming > from. It would be really helpful to see what the reason provided is, but I'll bet any money that it was ``host is not on local network''. This means that some machine decided to send an ARP packet for that host---which you received---even though you didn't (had no reason to) ARP for that host. What you need to do is compile a kernel with BPF in it and then run: # tcpdump arp host 198.96.21.224 This will tell you who is ARPing and who is sending the replies. (You may want to add a `-e' flag to see whether the replies are incorrectly being broadcast.) -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 08:54:15 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA16906 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:54:15 -0700 Received: from acergw.acer.com (acergw.acer.com [198.211.75.130]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA16898 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:54:08 -0700 Received: from smtplink.Acer.COM ([198.211.75.5]) by acergw.acer.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA19464 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:54:09 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by smtplink.Acer.COM id AA799083815; Fri, 28 Apr 95 18:10:36 pst Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 18:10:36 pst From: "Wong Chan Poh" Message-Id: <9503287990.AA799083815@smtplink.Acer.COM> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: AIC-7770 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear "any kind soul out there", I'm trying to install FreeBSD 2.0 on a Pentium/60 with built-in SCSI adapter i.e. AIC7770 which I believe is equiv. to AHA-274x. The problem is that the FreeBSD do not seem to recognise the adapter. Is there a version of the boot/root disks that work with AIC7770 or is there anything I need to do to get it to work. Please help/advice. Thanks, wcp From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 11:37:03 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA20682 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:37:03 -0700 Received: from bigdipper.umd.edu (bigdipper.umd.edu [128.8.220.139]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA20676 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:37:00 -0700 Received: (from adhir@localhost) by bigdipper.umd.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA15033; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:36:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:36:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alok K. Dhir" To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: CAP 6.0? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hey all - just wondering, has anyone gotten cap6.0 working under FreeBSD-current? Cap is an Appletalk protocol implementation for Unix machines... -------------------------------------___--------------------------------- | Al Dhir, Programmer Analyst /___\ UMCP Ag-Engineering Dept | | Internet: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu (o o) (301) 405-1197 | ---------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 12:16:50 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA22036 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:16:50 -0700 Received: from vex.cs.colorado.edu (rickhall@vex.cs.colorado.edu [128.138.241.27]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA22028 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:16:47 -0700 Received: (from rickhall@localhost) by vex.cs.colorado.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA25626 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:16:11 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:16:11 -0600 From: Richard Scott Hall Message-Id: <199504281916.NAA25626@vex.cs.colorado.edu> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: CDROM support Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Recently I have become interested in running FreeBSD on my new Dell system. The CDROM drive on my system is an EIDE Quad Speed model. I was told that FreeBSD does not support this drive of CDROM currently. Do you have plans to support it? If so, when might support be available? Thank you, Richard Hall From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 12:31:00 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA22787 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:31:00 -0700 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA22777 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:30:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00189; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:30:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199504281930.MAA00189@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Wong Chan Poh" cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: AIC-7770 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Apr 1995 18:10:36 PST." <9503287990.AA799083815@smtplink.Acer.COM> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:30:42 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Dear "any kind soul out there", > > I'm trying to install FreeBSD 2.0 on a Pentium/60 with built-in SCSI > adapter i.e. AIC7770 which I believe is equiv. to AHA-274x. The problem > is that the FreeBSD do not seem to recognise the adapter. > > Is there a version of the boot/root disks that work with AIC7770 or is > there anything I need to do to get it to work. Please help/advice. > > Thanks, > wcp Check out the latest snapshot release of FreeBSD. It should become availible sometime this weekend and can be found on ftp.cdrom.com or one of its many mirrors. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 13:14:18 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA23831 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:14:18 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA23824 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:14:10 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id QAA04933 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:15:14 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504282015.QAA04933@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Microsoft natural keyboard To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 327 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anybody have experience using the microsoft natural keyboard with FreeBSD/XFree86? Any problems? Can the "windows" keys be used for anything (without too much hacking)? -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 13:19:36 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA23989 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:19:36 -0700 Received: from nic1.barrnet.net (NIC1.BARRNET.NET [131.119.245.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA23983 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:19:31 -0700 Received: from ipsilon.com by nic1.barrnet.net (8.6.10/BARRNET-RELAY.1) id NAA01735; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:19:29 -0700 Received: from localhost by ipsilon.com (4.1/SMI-4.1MDV1.0) id AA22636; Fri, 28 Apr 95 13:18:20 PDT Message-Id: <9504282018.AA22636@ipsilon.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6beta 3/23/95 To: "Bill O'Hanlon" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, craiga@servo.ipsilon.com Subject: Re: 3c509b driver In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:29:36 CDT." <9504272229.AA16075@poe.digibd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:18:19 -0700 From: Craig Anderson Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm having this problem too. Several people here looked at the code and saw nothing obvious. The rest of the error messages we see are: ep0: eeprom failed to come ready. epprobe: ignoring model ffff ep0 not found at 0x300 I tried cleaning the E1 area on the board, just for the heck of it but it didn't help. I also tried turning "plug-n-play" mode off in the board eeprom. That got rid of the error messages (the probe looked like it worked) but it couldn't send/receive packets. I'm running vanilla 2.0 (no SNAPs/patches installed yet). Any ideas? Thanks, Craig > I'm trying to get a 3c509b card working in a FreeBSD machine. > I'm missing something, understanding-wise. I get the following message > at boot time: > > ep0: 3c5x9 at 0x300 in test mode. Erase pencil mark! > > There's no obvious way to turn off "test mode", and I can't for the life of > me guess what the bit about erasing a pencil mark means... > > Can someone give me a quick pointer? Oh, this is with FreeBSD 2.0. > > -Bill > From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 13:21:50 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA24053 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:21:50 -0700 Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA24045 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:21:43 -0700 Received: by iworks.InterWorks.org (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA02463; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:18:50 -0500 Message-Id: <9504282018.AA02463@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:18:50 -0500 From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, splyaski@cmp.com Subject: Re: libraries Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I'm still trying to get fvwm working on my 950210 system. When I start fvwm, >it complains about libXext.so.2.0 which is missing. I wonder where I can get >these libraries (perhaps some other libraries are not there as well). Thank >you. I don't know if you want to do this, but I just got the source code for fvwm (including the modules and icons) and recompiled it. It only took a minute to compile. There may have been a couple changes I had to make due to include files being slightly different, but it was pretty straightforward. You don't need the older libraries if you recompile :-). Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 13:44:56 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA24768 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:44:56 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA24758 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:44:43 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA23254; Fri, 28 Apr 95 14:38:10 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504282038.AA23254@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: CDROM support To: rickhall@vex.cs.colorado.edu (Richard Scott Hall) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 14:38:09 MDT Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199504281916.NAA25626@vex.cs.colorado.edu> from "Richard Scott Hall" at Apr 28, 95 01:16:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Recently I have become interested in running FreeBSD on my new > Dell system. The CDROM drive on my system is an EIDE Quad Speed > model. I was told that FreeBSD does not support this drive of > CDROM currently. Do you have plans to support it? If so, when > might support be available? It's being worked on. I don't know if it is even alpha yet, though. Supposedly 2.1 Release will have it. FYI, what you have there is a CDROM that takes SCSI II commands through an IDE interface. Seems IDE is determined to replace SCSI by incorporating it. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 14:00:26 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA25170 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:00:26 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA25163 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:00:15 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA23373; Fri, 28 Apr 95 14:53:40 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504282053.AA23373@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Microsoft natural keyboard To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 14:53:39 MDT Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199504282015.QAA04933@grendel.csc.smith.edu> from "John Fieber" at Apr 28, 95 04:15:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anybody have experience using the microsoft natural keyboard with > FreeBSD/XFree86? Any problems? Can the "windows" keys be used > for anything (without too much hacking)? I sent John the patches for the keyboard that Kaleb Keithley posted to the hackers list on 17 Nov 1994 (if anyone else is interested, that's where you should dig them out of the archives from). I don't think they are as up to date as they need to be to cleanly apply. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 14:01:04 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA25202 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:01:04 -0700 Received: from case3.cs.usu.edu (case3.cs.usu.edu [129.123.7.20]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA25191 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:01:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199504282101.OAA25191@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by case3.cs.usu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA10454; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:01:22 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:01:22 -0600 From: SANDONG PYUN To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: question Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can you help me installing of FreeBSD? I have Sony CD-ROM with IDE controller. So I can't install from CD-ROM after installation of filesyst.flp and cpio. Would you tell me the way of installation, if it is possible anyway. Pyun, SanDong Sincerely Yours. From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 14:04:59 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA25322 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:04:59 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA25316 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:04:57 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA23446; Fri, 28 Apr 95 14:58:25 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504282058.AA23446@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: AIC-7770 To: wpoh@smtplink.Acer.COM (Wong Chan Poh) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 14:58:25 MDT Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9503287990.AA799083815@smtplink.Acer.COM> from "Wong Chan Poh" at Apr 28, 95 06:10:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Dear "any kind soul out there", Well, I decided to answer this instead. > I'm trying to install FreeBSD 2.0 on a Pentium/60 with built-in SCSI > adapter i.e. AIC7770 which I believe is equiv. to AHA-274x. The problem > is that the FreeBSD do not seem to recognise the adapter. Yeah, 2.0 doesn't recognize these things. > Is there a version of the boot/root disks that work with AIC7770 or is > there anything I need to do to get it to work. Please help/advice. The latest "SNAP" disks on freebsd.cdrom.com support the controller and all of its AIC7770 based relatives just fine. Get them using anonymous FTP and write them out as if writing the images from the CDROM. Make sure you use binary mode on the transfer, and get the ungzipped versions or you will need gunzip to be able to use them. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 14:41:38 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA25905 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:41:38 -0700 Received: from soleil.uvsq.fr (soleil.uvsq.fr [193.51.24.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA25865 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:38:52 -0700 Received: from (frmug@localhost) by soleil.uvsq.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.1) id RAA21544 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 17:38:37 -0400 Received: from cygnux.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by frmug.fr.net (8.6.8/8.6.9) with UUCP id WAA27181 for FreeBSD.org!questions; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 22:22:30 +0200 Received: by cygnux.frmug.fr.net (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0s4sjL-000A5MC; Fri, 28 Apr 95 18:17 MET DST Message-Id: From: oroset@cygnux.frmug.fr.net (olivier roset) Subject: Token-ring and Free BSD 2.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 18:17:23 +0100 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 456 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is any token-ring card driver exist for FreeBSD 2.0 ? And if yes, where can i take them ? (sorry for my english, but i don't speak english.) (the dictionnary is under my left hand now) thanks for your answer. Another question : How can i install Free BSD 2.0 from a CDROM who is plugged on my Sound Blaster 16 ASP multi CD ? With the 2 installation disks, he don't recognize the CDROM. A solution exist for this trouble ? Thanks again and bye ;) From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 16:25:53 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA28700 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:25:53 -0700 Received: from galois.nscf.org (Galois.nscf.org [192.48.117.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA28695 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:25:47 -0700 Received: from lakes.UUCP by galois.nscf.org with UUCP (5.67/1.2) id AA12952; Fri, 28 Apr 95 19:15:05 -0400 Received: by lakes.trenton.sc.us (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0s4cWh-0009zOC; Thu, 27 Apr 95 22:59 Message-Id: From: lakes!mlh@galois.nscf.org (Michael Hendrick) Subject: A few questions... To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 22:59:14 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1145 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry for not posting these, but my news host is having perpetual rnews problems. I am running FreeBSD 2.0 off the 12/94 cdrom. While compiling my Waffle BBS, one of the utilities failed with a message '_tell unreferenced from text segment'. I have compiled this same program under Linux and ISC, so I'm guessing this 'tell' function (I'm obviously not a programmer) must be located somewhere Waffle's not looking. The Waffle author says tell() is an OS function and not something defined in the Waffle source. I've looked through the man pages and 4.4 manuals to no avail. What script should I run to install distribution packages after the installation. I now want to add the source and Xfree dists which I did not initially install. Do I just run extract.sh from within each directory? I have a Sony cdu-535 cdrom which I used under Linux. Do you know if anyone has a driver for this, or do you know an honest soul who might port the Linux driver to FreeBSD if I loaned them my drive and some beer & pizza money? Thanks for your time. I'm impressed with the quality and 'feel' of the system, and look forward to your future work. From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 28 20:45:41 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA05833 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 20:45:41 -0700 Received: from fozzie.chem.wisc.edu (fozzie.chem.wisc.edu [144.92.90.210]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA05825 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 20:45:38 -0700 Received: by fozzie.chem.wisc.edu; id AA03540; 5.57/42; Fri, 28 Apr 95 22:45:32 -0500 From: Ron Porter Message-Id: <9504290345.AA03540@fozzie.chem.wisc.edu> Subject: can't telnet to my system To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 22:45:32 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1227 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I recently installed the 950412 SNAP on my system. I seem to be having a problem telneting into the box from outside our gateway.I have always telneted to my sys from two places 1)a UNIX (Ultrix) machine from within our building, and thus on the same side of the gateway and 2)from home via a slip connection to our comp sci dept., on the outside of our gateway. In the past whenever i could telnet from within our building and not from home it was because the default route to the gateway was not set(due to a restart without having a route add statment automatically running from the startup script). But since i have updated to the 950412 SNAP i can't telnet in from home, even with the default route set. I can telnet from inside our gateway? What haven't i done? any suggestions? Ron -- [Ronald W. Porter----------------][-486DX-40 8Mbs-------------------] [Univ. Of Wisconsin--Go Bucky!!--][-Running FreeBSD2.0(950412 SNAP)-] [Chemistry Dept.-----------------][-http://ronsbsd.chem.wisc.edu----] [Madison, Wi 53706---------------][-This space reserved-------------] [608-262-0190--------------------][-----------for future------------] [porter@chem.wisc.edu------------][----------------development------] From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 00:40:04 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA14419 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 00:40:04 -0700 Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA14396 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 00:39:41 -0700 Received: (from didier@localhost) by aida.remcomp.fr (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA00350 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 09:25:48 +0200 From: Didier Derny Message-Id: <199504290725.JAA00350@aida.remcomp.fr> Subject: SNAPS To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 09:25:47 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 728 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi It's almost impossible to get the SNAP from a dialup ppp or slip. I think that I`m not alone in this case. I think that a cdrom would be interesting perhaps by a kind of subscription for one year for exemple 6 cdrom prepaid to cover the cost. An dialup internet connexion is generally expensive when you add the price of the provide and the phone bill. the cdrom could also contain the archive of the news since the last cdrom. That's just an idea I try to launch in the air...... Thanks for your help ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Didier Derny didier@aida.remcomp.fr ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 00:40:04 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA14421 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 00:40:04 -0700 Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA14398 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 00:39:48 -0700 Received: (from didier@localhost) by aida.remcomp.fr (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA00310 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 09:01:11 +0200 From: Didier Derny Message-Id: <199504290701.JAA00310@aida.remcomp.fr> Subject: mmap HAS_SEMAPHORE flag To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 09:01:10 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 651 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I try to use the mmap system calls to remove the System V ipc i'm using in my programs. I found a HAS_SEMAPHORE flag in the mmap man pages and as the man pages lacks some explanantion I check in the source code but I have been unable to find anything on this flags what is it supposed to do ? is it implemented in FreeBSD ? Is there somewhere a tutorial that explain in depth the use of these system calls ? Thanks for your help, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Didier Derny didier@aida.remcomp.fr ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 00:55:04 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA14640 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 00:55:04 -0700 Received: from stang.netspace.net.au (root@stang.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA14620 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 00:54:27 -0700 Received: from ahill.mel.interconnect.com.au (ahill.mel.interconnect.com.au [202.21.8.125]) by stang.netspace.net.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA05219; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 17:53:55 +1000 To: questions@FreeBSD.org From: ahill@netspace.net.au (Anthony Hill) Subject: 2.0R as PPP client Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 05:54:43 cc: ahill@netspace.net.au Message-ID: Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK , I really NEED some help here if someone could please spare the time, I want to get my 486DX2-66 set up so I can connect via a 28800 modem to my Internet provider. (as a client - I want to be able to mail, ftp, and telnet out, and preferably in as well.) OK, the file 'pppd' exists in /usr/sbin and directory /etc/ppp also exists, and contains the 'options' file from the ppp faq, the only changes to it being the addition of my system's domain name, and the IP of my Internet provider. I have run the /stand/bininst script, and setup the network addrs etc. I have tryed to establish a connection with my provider via the modem using kermit as indicated in the PPP.faq (my modem is on COM2) Kermit replies to: set line /dev/tty01 with "Sorry, cant open connection: /dev/tty01: inappropriate ioctl for device. So I try: set line /dev/ttyd1 - Kermit stops responding to me, and the modem never starts. OK - so I try tip cua01 ( I have added a cua01 entry in /etc/remote ) and I am able to manually configure, and dial the modem, connect with the provider, and start PPP on the remote host. Now I exit tip, making sure the modem does not lose carrier. (&d0) Now I type /usr/sbin/pppd /dev/tty01 38400 (38400 being the speed of com2 as stated in the /etc/remote file.), and pppd responds with Sorry - PPP is not avalible on this system. I try the same again, except using the ttyd1 device, and get the same result. Thanks Anthony Hill Senior Customer Support Technician NetComm From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 04:01:07 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA19992 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:01:07 -0700 Received: from metronet.com (uharmon@mail.metronet.com [192.245.137.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA19963 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:01:04 -0700 Received: by metronet.com id AA27865 (5.67a/IDA1.5hp for questions@FreeBSD.org); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 07:00:39 -0400 Received: (from harmon@localhost) by localhost (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA02320; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:19:31 GMT Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:19:31 GMT From: "Thomas M. Harmon" Message-Id: <199504290419.EAA02320@localhost> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: PPP Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have FreeBSD 2.0 from the Walnut Creek CDROM, and I have been trying to install the PPP package that it came with. I have rebuilt the kernel, and gotten the infomation necessary from the network that I am trying to connect to. It connects just fine, and I can rlogin to a host on the network, but after about a minute, my PC reboots. Has anyone seen this before, or know of a solution? I can forward any addition information deemed necessary. Thanks, TMH From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 07:44:58 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA27064 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 07:44:58 -0700 Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA27053 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 07:44:51 -0700 Received: (from didier@localhost) by aida.remcomp.fr (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA00807 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 16:28:39 +0200 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 16:28:39 +0200 From: Didier Derny Message-Id: <199504291428.QAA00807@aida.remcomp.fr> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 07:45:05 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA27083 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 07:45:05 -0700 Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA27052 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 07:44:51 -0700 Received: (from didier@localhost) by aida.remcomp.fr (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA00813 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 16:28:56 +0200 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 16:28:56 +0200 From: Didier Derny Message-Id: <199504291428.QAA00813@aida.remcomp.fr> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi It's almost impossible to get the SNAP from a dialup ppp or slip. I think that I`m not alone in this case. I think that a cdrom would be interesting perhaps by a kind of subscription for one year for exemple 6 cdrom prepaid to cover the cost. An dialup internet connexion is generally expensive when you add the price of the provide and the phone bill. the cdrom could also contain the archive of the news since the last cdrom. That's just an idea I try to launch in the air...... Thanks for your help ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Didier Derny didier@aida.remcomp.fr ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 10:16:05 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA29322 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:16:05 -0700 Received: from simon.chi.il.us (simon.chi.il.us [199.245.227.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA29313 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:16:01 -0700 Received: by simon.chi.il.us (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0s5G6i-000NAzC; Sat, 29 Apr 95 12:15 CDT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 95 12:15 CDT From: steve@simon.chi.il.us (Steven E. Piette) To: wmo@digibd.com, craiga@servo.ipsilon.com Subject: Re: 3c509b driver Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From freefall.cdrom.com!owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 06:23:14 1995 > Sender: freefall.cdrom.com!owner-freebsd-questions > To: "Bill O'Hanlon" > Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, craiga@servo.ipsilon.com > Subject: Re: 3c509b driver > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:18:19 -0700 > From: Craig Anderson > > I'm having this problem too. Several people here looked at the code > and saw nothing obvious. The rest of the error messages we see are: > > ep0: eeprom failed to come ready. > epprobe: ignoring model ffff > ep0 not found at 0x300 > > I tried cleaning the E1 area on the board, just for the heck of it > but it didn't help. I also tried turning "plug-n-play" mode off > in the board eeprom. That got rid of the error messages (the probe > looked like it worked) but it couldn't send/receive packets. > I'm running vanilla 2.0 (no SNAPs/patches installed yet). > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Craig > 3C509B's need to be configured under DOS to turn off PnP. If your using the 10BT connector you need to specify LINK2 in ifconfig and/or /etc/hostname.ep0 (as least for now) to enable that port. I've now got the 3Com docs for all the Etherlink III boards and I'll be adding better support for the B versions sometime soon. Steve Piette Applied Computer Technology steve@simon.chi.il.US. 7N852 Phar Lap Drive (708) 513-6920 St. Charles, IL 60175-6868 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 10:19:43 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA29397 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:19:43 -0700 Received: from pp.pdx.edu (cairo.pp.pdx.edu [131.252.65.20]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA29391 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:19:38 -0700 Received: by pp.pdx.edu (5.65/CATastrophe-9/5/94-P) id AA15511; Sat, 29 Apr 95 10:17:48 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 95 10:17:48 -0700 From: wjs@pp.pdx.edu (Bill Spurling) Message-Id: <9504291717.AA15511@pp.pdx.edu> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Adaptec PCI Disk Controller Cc: dbg@pp.pdx.edu, meb@pp.pdx.edu Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to install FreeBSD ver 2.0 onto my system and it appears (to me at least) that it does not recognize my SCSI controller. Is this true and are there any fixes or workarounds available. Is there a better hardware choice I should make at this point? The particulars: Pentium 90 with 16Mb. Seagate ST31230N 1 gigabyte drive. Adaptec AHA-2940/AHA2940W PCI controller. Award BIOS ver 4.5GP. FreeBSD ver 2.0 dated Jan 95 from Walnut Creek CD-ROM. I have tried this with: 1) no partitions defined thru DOS on the disk, 2) non-bootable DOS partiton (20 MB) on the disk 3) bootable (20MB) partition on the disk. All the above done via DOS 6.22 fdisk. When I boot from the FreeBSD boot floppy, the last few entries scrolling by on the screen before it loads the menu driven installation stuff all have "[not supported]" at the end of the line. These entries are the ones concerning the PCI devices. When the installation menu comes up and I choose 6 Install, it places me in the Diskspace editor screen (as I believe it should.) At that point, it does not show any information about the drive. Typing F has no effect. Disklabel asks for the drive. When I enter "0" it leaves me at the Diskspace editor screen. I do not see the Adaptec 2940 controller listed with the supported configurations under disk controllers. Any advice would be appreciated. Bill Spurling, Facilities dept, Portland State University wjs@pp.pdx.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 10:26:15 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA29753 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:26:15 -0700 Received: from galois.nscf.org (Galois.nscf.org [192.48.117.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA29728 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:26:09 -0700 Received: by galois.nscf.org with UUCP (5.67/1.2) id AA19198; Sat, 29 Apr 95 12:35:22 -0400 Received: by wa4phy.ASYNC.COM (5.65/Smail2.5/02-15-88) id AA29182; Sat, 29 Apr 95 12:41:51 -0400 Received: (from bao@localhost) by saigon.async.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA00363; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 12:41:17 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 12:41:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Bao Chau Ha To: questions@FreeBSD.org Cc: install@FreeBSD.org Subject: 950412-SNAP Installation with ESDI (WD1007V) System Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How do I install 950412-SNAP on a system with a WD1007V ESDI controller and 2 drives: Maxtor XT4380E (320M) and Maxtor XT4760E (630M)? It is very annoying that the driver gets the true disk geometries directly from the ESDI controller and use them instead of the translated ones. It also ignores the spare sector mapping, so it does not help, even if I reformat my drives. Anyway, I did fdisk, added the translated geometry and was able to complete the installation from the boot and cpio floppies onto the first drive. Upon reboot, the kernel went up to the npx16 ... messages, then printed out a message about wrong size on partition d of wd1, which does not have a freebsd partition. It then panicked, and rebooted. Appreciate any helps, comments or suggestions. Thanks. Bao -- Bao Chau Ha (bao@saigon.async.com) Nuclear chemical engineer by day, Linux hacker by night and weekends. From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 10:27:30 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA29807 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:27:30 -0700 Received: from GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU (GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.205.91]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA29801 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:27:26 -0700 Received: from localhost by GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU id aa17810; 29 Apr 95 13:27 EDT To: Bill Spurling cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, dbg@pp.pdx.edu, meb@pp.pdx.edu Subject: Re: Adaptec PCI Disk Controller In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:17:48 -0700. <9504291717.AA15511@pp.pdx.edu> Reply-To: moto@cs.cmu.edu From: moto@cs.cmu.edu Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 13:26:32 -0400 Message-ID: <17806.799176392@GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, >>>>> "Bill" == Bill Spurling writes: Bill> I am trying to install FreeBSD ver 2.0 onto my system and it Bill> appears (to me at least) that it does not recognize my SCSI Bill> controller. Bill> Adaptec AHA-2940/AHA2940W PCI controller. .. Bill> FreeBSD ver 2.0 dated Jan 95 from Walnut Creek CD-ROM. AHA-2940 is not supported by 2.0 RELEASE. Please try the latest snapshot! ============================================================================== Motonori Shindou Carnegie Mellon University SCS Graduate Student e-mail: moto@cs.cmu.edu, NiftyServe: GEG04056 WWW: http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001:/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/moto/WWW/moto-home.html TEL: 412-362-9636 FAX: 412-362-9634 ============================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 14:10:36 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA15390 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:10:36 -0700 Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (welchlink.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA15384 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:10:33 -0700 Received: by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12273; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 17:09:37 +0500 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 17:09:37 -0400 (EDT) From: DEEPAK KUMAR JAIN To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: File Systems and Quotas Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1120 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a 04/12 system that originally started out as a february-snap system. I am trying to enable quotas on it, but quotacheck isn't creating quota files with the -av option. So I tried manually trying to run it on a file system in fstab to see what it does. lines in my fstab [for example] /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 grpquota, usrquota /dev/sd0b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/sd1g /home ufs rw 1 1 grpquota, usrquota /dev/sd1f /usr ufs rw 1 1 grpquota, usrquota quotacheck -g /usr /usr not found in /etc/fstab quotacheck -v /home /home not found in /etc/fstab quotacheck -g /dev/sd0a /dev/sd0a not found in /etc/fstab What am I missing? [quotas are enabled in the kernel] On a relatively unrelated issue, I just recompiled the kerenl I had been running [which was a feb-snap created one] with the april-snap one. And everything is fine except that the file systems are "NOT MATCHED IN label] it looks like it excepts the file systems 1 cluster/sector shorter than the previous kernel wanted. Is there any non-destructive way I can fix this, short of trying to find february-snap source? Thanks, Deepak From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 15:13:05 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA19876 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 15:13:05 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA19844 ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 15:12:48 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA29120; Sat, 29 Apr 95 16:06:07 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504292206.AA29120@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: 950412-SNAP Installation with ESDI (WD1007V) System To: bao@saigon.async.com (Bao Chau Ha) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 95 16:06:06 MDT Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, install@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Bao Chau Ha" at Apr 29, 95 12:41:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > How do I install 950412-SNAP on a system with a WD1007V > ESDI controller and 2 drives: Maxtor XT4380E (320M) and > Maxtor XT4760E (630M)? > > It is very annoying that the driver gets the true disk > geometries directly from the ESDI controller and use them > instead of the translated ones. It also ignores the > spare sector mapping, so it does not help, even if I > reformat my drives. The spare sector mapping and translation are software artifacts of the BIOS. If you are willing to port the VM86() code from NetBSD to FreeBSD and write BIOS based disk driver, you'd be a hero. Of course, this is difficult enough that the only OS out there that can do this at all right now is OS/2, so unless you are comparing the SNAP to the commercial release of OS/2, your complaint is not a valid one. It's like complaining because your car can't fly, and then arguing that this must be because it's a Ford instead of a Chevy... when in fact, checy doesn't manufacture flying cars either. > Anyway, I did fdisk, added the translated geometry and > was able to complete the installation from the boot > and cpio floppies onto the first drive. Upon reboot, > the kernel went up to the npx16 ... messages, then > printed out a message about wrong size on partition d > of wd1, which does not have a freebsd partition. It > then panicked, and rebooted. > Sounds like a Bad144 problem or errors early in the drive. If this is it, moving the partition up a cylinder will probably avoid the bad spot (it would have to be under the boot track or the disklabel). You may want to install a teeny DOS partition before installing the BSD -- some people have found this necessary with the new slice code in the most recent snaps. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 15:13:43 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA19930 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 15:13:43 -0700 Received: from RosedeLima.Vir.com (RosedeLima.Vir.com [199.84.154.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA19915 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 15:13:36 -0700 Received: from ipdyne2.vir.com by Vir.com (8.6.10/2.0) id RAA29907; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 17:10:56 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 17:10:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199504292210.RAA29907@Vir.com> X-Sender: procecorjb@vir.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@FreeBSD.org From: procecorjb@Vir.com (Robert Burns) Subject: MakeFile - Emacs Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm new to FreeBsd and I was wondering if someone could advise how to compile /usr/src/lib/libedit/emacs. Where will the binary end up? Robert Burns procecorjb@vir.com mtl,ca From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 16:11:17 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA23694 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 16:11:17 -0700 Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com (ix4.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA23684 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 16:11:15 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA03591; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 16:10:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 16:10:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199504292310.QAA03591@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: tulchins@ix.netcom.com (Steven Tulchinsky) Subject: Installation problem To: questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk During the installation of FreeBSD 2.0 after I boot from the floppy there was no drive information displayed on the disk editor screen. I assume that the OS does not recognize my Adaptec AHA-2940 PCI SCSI controller as well as my hard drive and cd-rom(I am installing from Walnut Creek CDROM's cd).There was no info on the AltF2 screen. Is there driver for AHA-2940? Is it available anywhere? Please email whis any ideas or suggestions to: tulchins@wellsfargo.com or tulchins@ix.netcom.com Thanks. Steven Tulchinsky. From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 17:42:57 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA04148 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 17:42:57 -0700 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA04142 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 17:42:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA00355; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 17:42:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199504300042.RAA00355@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: tulchins@ix.netcom.com (Steven Tulchinsky) cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Installation problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 29 Apr 1995 16:10:01 PDT." <199504292310.QAA03591@ix4.ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 17:42:49 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >During the installation of FreeBSD 2.0 after I boot from the floppy >there was no drive information displayed on the disk editor screen. >I assume that the OS does not recognize my Adaptec AHA-2940 PCI SCSI >controller as well as my hard drive and cd-rom(I am installing from >Walnut Creek CDROM's cd).There was no info on the AltF2 screen. >Is there driver for AHA-2940? Is it available anywhere? >Please email whis any ideas or suggestions >to: tulchins@wellsfargo.com or tulchins@ix.netcom.com > >Thanks. > >Steven Tulchinsky. There is support for th 2940 in FreeBSD current or the upcomming 2.0.5 release. Both are/will be availible from ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 18:55:04 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA05009 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 18:55:04 -0700 Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA05003 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 18:55:02 -0700 Received: by iworks.InterWorks.org (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA06907; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 20:52:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9504300152.AA06907@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 20:52:18 -0500 From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: questions@FreeBSD.org, tulchins@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Installation problem Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >During the installation of FreeBSD 2.0 after I boot from the floppy >there was no drive information displayed on the disk editor screen. >I assume that the OS does not recognize my Adaptec AHA-2940 PCI SCSI >controller as well as my hard drive and cd-rom(I am installing from >Walnut Creek CDROM's cd).There was no info on the AltF2 screen. >Is there driver for AHA-2940? Is it available anywhere? >Please email whis any ideas or suggestions >to: tulchins@wellsfargo.com or tulchins@ix.netcom.com Get the latest snap, or at least a later snap boot disk, from ftp.cdrom.com: /pub/FreeBSD/... The 2.0 release did not have support for the 2940. Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 19:17:22 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA05446 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 19:17:22 -0700 Received: from glueserv1.umd.edu (glueserv1.umd.edu [129.2.70.69]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA05436 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 19:17:17 -0700 Received: from cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (cappuccino.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.14]) by glueserv1.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA05622 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 22:17:12 -0400 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id WAA05756; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 22:17:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 22:17:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: FAQ Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was just trying to download the latest FAQ, and couldn't. I logged into wcarchive, but all of the FAQs are in an FAQ directory, that's a link from /pub/FreeBSD/FAQ, but the to part of the link seems missing. I can't get the FAQ. I was trying to find out the current status of the sound card support, I hope its in the FAQ.... ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 7608 Topton St. | New Carrollton, MD 20784 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0) and n3lxx (301) 459-2316 | (FreeBSD 1.1.5.1) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 20:59:34 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA07695 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 20:59:34 -0700 Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu (emory.mathcs.emory.edu [128.140.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA07689 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 20:59:31 -0700 Received: from bir.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.4.0.12) via UUCP id AA09239 ; Sat, 29 Apr 95 23:59:19 -0400 Received: by bir.bir.com (uA-1.6v2); Sat, 29 Apr 95 23:57:58 EST From: mlk@bir.com (Michael L. Kornegay) To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Potential user questions (CDROM/FAT/Mouse/Security)? Date: Sat, 29 Apr 95 23:57:58 EST Reply-To: mlk%bir.UUCP@mathcs.emory.edu Message-Id: <0D15DDF1.sh0o51@bir.bir.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am considering tring FreeBSD (the CD-ROM distribution). I had several questions that were not clear for my looking at the various web pages: o If the CD-ROM drive I have is not supported, does the CD-ROM distribution come with an alternative install method (such as the creation of install floppies or some other technique possibly using the DOS slice) (I have looked at your hardware list and believe it is likely I may have incompatible CD-ROMs)? o I understand the DOS slice for allowing FreeBSD to access DOS FAT file systems (I assume it allows access to the primary and extended DOS partitions). Is there a way to store and use FAT space for portions of FreeBSD (I believe Linux has a capability like this?)? o In the web pages, particulars about support of pointing (mouse) devices for notebook computers was not clear. Is a device like a ThinkPad TrackPoint supported? o If FreeBSD is setup in its stock form, how resistant is it to probes from utilities like SATAN? Are the well known security holes closed in this Unix variant? o What would a good evaluation system disk allocation be for FreeBSD (basic system, networking, and X)? From what I read in the web pages it sounds like maybe 200mb would be required for these components? ***I am not on this mailing list. Please respond directly to me possibly CCing the list***. I will join in the future if I decide to get the CD-ROM distribution. Thanks for your help, ___________________ Michael L. Kornegay Internet: mlk@bir.com UUCP: bir!mlk From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 21:48:16 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA08735 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 21:48:16 -0700 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA08729 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 21:48:14 -0700 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA11899; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 21:47:00 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 21:47:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199504300447.VAA11899@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: pvinci@ix.netcom.com (Paul Vinciguerra) Subject: [Q] NCONS vs. ptys To: questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What is the difference between virtual consoles and pty's? I know that to switch between consoles under X, it's - I also understand that the number of xterms is limited by the number of pty's. now, what's the difference between them? Thanks, Paul From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Apr 29 22:19:35 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA09247 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 22:19:35 -0700 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA09241 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 22:19:29 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA00917 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 22:19:28 -0700 Resent-Message-Id: <199504300519.WAA00917@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol Received: from smudge.oro.net (smudge.oro.net [198.68.62.30]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA00844 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 22:07:49 -0700 Message-Id: From: smj@oro.net (Scott Jennings) Subject: FreeBSD To: gibbs@estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 22:07:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199504292347.QAA29997@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Apr 29, 95 04:47:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 295 Resent-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 22:19:28 -0700 Resent-From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well I grabbed the lastest snapshot floppies images off ftp.cdrom.com and attempted to install on a machine here: 486DX50 48MB 1542CF (2)2GB Seagate SCSI-2 drives. It made it as far as booting off the hard drive, then hung at "changing root dev to sd0" ignoring the keyboard, even the numlock.