From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Nov 1 14:26:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA00667 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:26:06 -0800 Received: from multivac.orthanc.com (root@multivac.orthanc.com [204.244.20.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA00661 ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:26:02 -0800 Received: from localhost (lyndon@localhost) by multivac.orthanc.com (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id OAA25019; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:25:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199511012225.OAA25019@multivac.orthanc.com> X-Authentication-Warning: multivac.orthanc.com: Host lyndon@localhost didn't use HELO protocol From: Lyndon Nerenberg VE7TCP To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Reply-To: lyndon@orthanc.com Subject: Known working DAT drives X-Attribution: VE7TCP Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 14:25:58 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk After endless frustration trying to get a Conner CTMS drive working under 2.0.5 and 2.1-X I'm advising the customer to pitch the current drive and install a DAT instead. I'm curious to here from anyone who has a DAT drive running, specifically the manufacturer, model number, SCSI controller, and FreeBSD release you're running under. Thanks, --lyndon From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Nov 1 15:09:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA02243 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:09:55 -0800 Received: from tailspin.nas.nasa.gov (tailspin.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.33.48]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA02238 ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:09:51 -0800 Received: from localhost (proett@localhost) by tailspin.nas.nasa.gov (8.6.12/NAS.6.1) with SMTP id PAA23739; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:08:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199511012308.PAA23739@tailspin.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: tailspin.nas.nasa.gov: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: lyndon@orthanc.com cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Known working DAT drives In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Nov 1995 14:25:58 PST." <199511012225.OAA25019@multivac.orthanc.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 15:08:27 -0800 From: Tom Proett Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have an older DAT drive by Wangtek, model 6130 FS. I started out with my system running FreeBSD 1.1. The controller is an Adaptec 1742. I upgraded to FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 ... no problem. When I upgraded to FreeBSD 2.0.5 ... problem. I had previously been using tar with a block size of 128k. This did not work under 2.0.5. It does work with block sizes under 64k. Some change took place where it now thinks it is using variable length blocks. Other than that it has worked fine. Tom Proett From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Nov 1 15:21:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA02551 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:21:28 -0800 Received: from mail.palnet.com (doleh.nai.net [205.139.1.114]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA02539 ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:21:24 -0800 Received: (from doleh@localhost) by mail.palnet.com (8.6.11/95.03.29) id SAA13023; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:16:52 -0500 From: Yaser Doleh Message-Id: <199511012316.SAA13023@mail.palnet.com> Subject: Re: Known working DAT drives To: lyndon@orthanc.com Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:16:51 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511012225.OAA25019@multivac.orthanc.com> from "Lyndon Nerenberg VE7TCP" at Nov 1, 95 02:25:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 823 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have a DAT drive that says SUN 5GB on the outside box. The machine reports the following Oct 28 18:07:55 hanina /kernel: (aic0:3:0): "ARCHIVE 4326XX 27871-XXX 494A" type 1 removable SCSI 2 The drive has been working without any problems for over a year. I used it with 1.1.5, 2.0.5 and right now I am running FreeBSD-current controller is AHA1522 Lyndon Nerenberg VE7TCP said in a letter > > After endless frustration trying to get a Conner CTMS drive working > under 2.0.5 and 2.1-X I'm advising the customer to pitch the > current drive and install a DAT instead. I'm curious to here from > anyone who has a DAT drive running, specifically the manufacturer, > model number, SCSI controller, and FreeBSD release you're running > under. > > Thanks, > > --lyndon > Very truly yours Yaser Doleh doleh@alquds.org From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Nov 1 18:13:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA06604 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:13:52 -0800 Received: from cicerone.uunet.ca (cicerone.uunet.ca [142.77.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA06596 ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:13:48 -0800 Received: from why ([142.77.242.18]) by cicerone.uunet.ca with SMTP id <171045-3>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:13:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:13:43 -0500 From: Andrew Herdman X-Sender: andrew@why To: Lyndon Nerenberg VE7TCP cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Known working DAT drives In-Reply-To: <199511012225.OAA25019@multivac.orthanc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > After endless frustration trying to get a Conner CTMS drive working > under 2.0.5 and 2.1-X I'm advising the customer to pitch the > current drive and install a DAT instead. I'm curious to here from > anyone who has a DAT drive running, specifically the manufacturer, > model number, SCSI controller, and FreeBSD release you're running > under. > > Thanks, I'm using an Archive Python 2 GB 4mm dat. I've used it with both a Buslogics 946c and an adaptec 1542cf, both freebsd 2.0 and 2.0.5. Andrew From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Nov 1 21:42:44 1995 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA15522 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:42:44 -0800 Received: from virginia.edu (uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA15502 ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:42:37 -0800 Received: from server.cs.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa29920; 2 Nov 95 0:42 EST Received: from cobra.cs.Virginia.EDU (cobra-fo.cs.Virginia.EDU) by uvacs.cs.virginia.edu (4.1/5.1.UVA) id AA19346; Thu, 2 Nov 95 00:42:29 EST Posted-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 00:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by cobra.cs.Virginia.EDU (5.x/SMI-2.0) id AA11912; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 00:42:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 00:42:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Adrian T. Filipi-Martin" Reply-To: adrian@virginia.edu To: Yaser Doleh Cc: lyndon@orthanc.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Known working DAT drives In-Reply-To: <199511012316.SAA13023@mail.palnet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Lyndon Nerenberg VE7TCP said in a letter > > > > After endless frustration trying to get a Conner CTMS drive working > > under 2.0.5 and 2.1-X I'm advising the customer to pitch the > > current drive and install a DAT instead. I'm curious to here from > > anyone who has a DAT drive running, specifically the manufacturer, > > model number, SCSI controller, and FreeBSD release you're running > > under. > > > > Thanks, > > > > --lyndon > > I've had great results with both HP and DEC DAT drives. Sorry, but I don't have one in front of me to read off a model number, but the HP ones are fairly common and very nice. The basic one is about $900-100 and the one with hardware compression is about $1300. cheers, Adrian adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| Support your local programmer, http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~atf3r/ --->>>| STOP Software Patent Abuses NOW! Member: The League for -->>| For an application and information Programming Freedom ->| see: http://www.lpf.org/ From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Nov 1 23:38:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA19692 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 23:38:38 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA19672 ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 23:38:27 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id IAA13693 ; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 08:37:08 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id IAA20336 ; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 08:37:07 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.1/keltia-uucp-2.6) id IAA19438; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 08:31:32 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199511020731.IAA19438@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Known working DAT drives To: andrew@whine.com (Andrew Herdman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 08:31:32 +0100 (MET) Cc: lyndon@orthanc.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Herdman" at Nov 1, 95 09:13:43 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1275 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Andrew Herdman said: > I'm using an Archive Python 2 GB 4mm dat. I've used it with both a > Buslogics 946c and an adaptec 1542cf, both freebsd 2.0 and 2.0.5. HP SureTape 5000 on AHA-1740A and BT-747S under 2.0..2.2-CURRENT. 2 GB + hardware compression. Works like a charm. (ahb0:5:0): "HP HP35480A 1009" type 1 removable SCSI 2 st0(ahb0:5:0): Sequential-Access density code 0x13, drive empty -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #5: Mon Oct 30 00:03:29 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Nov 2 11:41:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA12889 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:41:30 -0800 Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA12881 ; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:41:13 -0800 Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA185911267; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:41:08 -0800 Received: from hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA234631266; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:41:06 -0800 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA297181265; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:41:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199511021941.AA297181265@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Known working DAT drives In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 Nov 1995 14:25:58 PST." <199511012225.OAA25019@multivac.orthanc.com> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 11:41:04 -0800 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Lyndon Nerenberg VE7TCP wrote: > After endless frustration trying to get a Conner CTMS drive working > under 2.0.5 and 2.1-X I'm advising the customer to pitch the > current drive and install a DAT instead. I'm curious to here from > anyone who has a DAT drive running, specifically the manufacturer, > model number, SCSI controller, and FreeBSD release you're running > under. How about if people posted info on DAT drives that *DO NOT* work with FreeBSD. All DAT drives that I know about will work with FreeBSD, but I imagine that there's some obscure drive out there that won't. -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion or policy of Hewlett-Packard or of the little green men that have been following him all day. From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Nov 3 04:56:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA10244 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 04:56:04 -0800 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com (ix5.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA10239 ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 04:56:02 -0800 Received: from ncc-1701-d.starfleet.gov by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id EAA03553; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 04:55:29 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 08:04:18 -0800 (PST) From: Donald Burr X-Sender: d_burr@ncc-1701-d.starfleet.gov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Questions -- using IDE with SCSI, and how to add more swap space? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk NOTE: the From/Reply-To headers may be incorrect on this message, since I'm posting from my freebsd box. Please reply to this message by sending it to d_burr@ix.netcom.com Thanks. I discovered, last night, that I made a *BIG* goof when initially setting up my FreeBSD slices quite a few months ago. I discovered this when I tried running XFree86 last night, and got "insufficient memory". I checked my slice setup, and found that (ARGH!) I only allocated a 10 MB (or so) swap partition. Not enough, apparently. I really would rather not tear apart my whole drive, and have to set everything back up again. So, looking around, I found a nice Seagate 150MB IDE drive lying around. I plugged it in, and, lo and behold, IT WORKS!!! So I figure, why not use this drive for FreeBSD stuff only? I could allocate a nice 50 MB or so swap, and use the rest for archival storage, /home accounts, whatever. But, my problem is this: My computer is entirely SCSI-based. My one main hard drive is a 1.0 GB SCSI drive, driven by a Adaptec 1542CF controller. No IDE in my system whatsoever. I do, however, have a spare IDE card lying about, that I can configure via jumpers. It allows me to use either the Primary or Secondary IRQ address for IDE. Wow, hey, I heard of this, because those people who can't afford SCSI use secondary IDE to be able to squeeze 4 HD's into their computer case. Now, my problem is this: I heard that you can have both IDE and SCSI in the same system, but if you do, the computer will *ALWAYS* boot from the IDE. This is not what I want, since this would complicate things. BUT... maybe the system only tries booting from the PRIMARY IDE, and leaves the secondary (if it's even there) alone. I don't know. In fact, I don't even know if you can use a Secondary IDE drive in a system WITHOUT a PRIMARY one... I admit that I'm totally clueless about this secondary IDE business. I've never had to use it, and now that I have SCSI, I vowed never to touch IDE again in my life. But, for this, I'll make an exception. If anyone can please help me out, and answer some of my questions, I would be eternally grateful. Please contact me by EMail or whatever. PS I did look around in lots of different FAQs, but honesty could not find the answers I seek. Donald Burr [d_burr@ix.netcom.com], PO Box 91212, Santa Barbara CA 93190-1212 TEL (805)564-1871 // FAX 564-2315 // WWW http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/~dburr PGP Public Key available by request (send e-mail) or Public Key Servers. ** Uphold your right to privacy - Use PGP. ** From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Nov 3 06:14:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA12827 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 06:14:46 -0800 Received: from ns0.netcraft.co.uk (ns0.netcraft.co.uk [194.72.238.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA12821 ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 06:14:40 -0800 Received: (from paul@localhost) by ns0.netcraft.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA14376; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:13:22 GMT From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199511031413.OAA14376@ns0.netcraft.co.uk> Subject: Re: Questions -- using IDE with SCSI, and how to add more swap space? To: d_burr@ix.netcom.com (Donald Burr) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:13:22 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Donald Burr" at Nov 3, 95 08:04:18 am Reply-to: paul@netcraft.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1388 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Donald Burr who said > > Now, my problem is this: I heard that you can have both IDE and SCSI in > the same system, but if you do, the computer will *ALWAYS* boot from the > IDE. This is not what I want, since this would complicate things. > BUT... maybe the system only tries booting from the PRIMARY IDE, and > leaves the secondary (if it's even there) alone. I don't know. Takes some fiddling but there's a few ways you can work around this. If you're lucky, you can tell the bios that there are no IDE drives installed. It will then boot from the scsi disk and FreeBSD will find the IDE controller and disk from it's own probes. This should work fine for you since it's an external card. > In fact, I don't even know if you can use a Secondary IDE drive in a > system WITHOUT a PRIMARY one... Set it up as a primary. If that doesn't work (I has an on-board IDE controller on one box and the only way to disable the IDE boot was to disable the controller, FreeBSD didn't re-enable it) then an alternative is to install a BIOS boot block on the IDE drive that loads the FreeBSD boot code from the SCSI. The only time you touch the IDE is to load that initial boot block, everything else will run off the SCSI. -- Paul Richards, Netcraft Ltd. Internet: paul@netcraft.co.uk, http://www.netcraft.co.uk Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1225 447500 (work) From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Nov 3 11:25:08 1995 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA24701 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:25:08 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA24695 ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:25:06 -0800 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA28020; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:24:37 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199511031924.LAA28020@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Questions -- using IDE with SCSI, and how to add more swap space? To: d_burr@ix.netcom.com (Donald Burr) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:24:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Donald Burr" at Nov 3, 95 08:04:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1219 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > The simpel answer is: (drum roll) DON'T TELL THE BIOS ABOUT THE IDE DRIVE then it'll just ignore it.. (of course if you allow it to do an 'auto configure' on a new machine it'll find it, but who trusts computers?) > Now, my problem is this: I heard that you can have both IDE and SCSI in > the same system, but if you do, the computer will *ALWAYS* boot from the > IDE. This is not what I want, since this would complicate things. > BUT... maybe the system only tries booting from the PRIMARY IDE, and > leaves the secondary (if it's even there) alone. I don't know. > > Donald Burr [d_burr@ix.netcom.com], PO Box 91212, Santa Barbara CA 93190-1212 > TEL (805)564-1871 // FAX 564-2315 // WWW http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/~dburr > PGP Public Key available by request (send e-mail) or Public Key Servers. > ** Uphold your right to privacy - Use PGP. ** > > +----------------------------------+ ______ _ __ | __--_|\ Julian Elischer | \ U \/ / On assignment | / \ julian@ref.tfs.com +------>x USA \ in a very strange | ( OZ ) 300 lakeside Dr. oakland CA. \___ ___ | country ! +- X_.---._/ USA+(510) 645-3137(wk) \_/ \\ v