From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 7 20:32:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA10949 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 20:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from bacchus.eng.umd.edu (bacchus.eng.umd.edu [129.2.94.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10858 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 20:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (cappuccino.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.14]) by bacchus.eng.umd.edu (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id XAA09201 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (chuckr@localhost) by cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (8.7.3/8.6.4) id XAA08115; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:31:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:31:27 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@cappuccino.eng.umd.edu To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: cpp construction Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There's a construction that's used (I think) to supply prototypes that I've never really understood, and I was wondering if anyone might be feeling like a short lecture here. The example is from /usr/src/sys/miscfs/nullfs/null_subr.c, which I happen to be studying right now, but I've seen this construction a lot of times before (but with no more comprehension). Anyways, here's the example: static int null_node_alloc __P((struct mount *mp, struct vnode *lowervp, struct vnode **vpp)); It's that __P thing, with the double parens, that has me wondering. I'd really appreciate some help. I didn't put this in questions because it's so wildly different from the kind of stuff normally seen there, and I didn't put it in hackers because it has nothing to do with anything going on, it's just me studying the system. If someone wants to transplant this to another list, fine with me, but it seemed a good compromise here in -chat. ============================================================================ Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu -- I run FreeBSD on n3lxx and Journey2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Dilbert Zone is Dilbert's new WWW home! The area features never-before-seen original sketches of Dilbert, a photo tour of Scott Adams' studio, Dilbert Trivia and memorabilia, high school photos and much more!: From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 7 22:32:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16495 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA16490 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD.CS.2.6) id AA25848; Sun, 7 Jan 96 22:32:00 PST From: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu (David E. O'Brien) Message-Id: <9601080632.AA25848@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu> Subject: Re: cpp construction To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:31:58 -0800 (PST) Cc: FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Jan 7, 96 11:31:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > static int null_node_alloc __P((struct mount *mp, struct vnode *lowervp, > struct vnode **vpp)); > > It's that __P thing, with the double parens, that has me wondering. I'd > really appreciate some help. Somewhere else (read in a file included before this one) is: #ifdef __STDC__ /* plus GCC and anything else that understand prototypes */ # define __P(args) args #else # define __P(args) () #endif Thus under FreeBSD we get: static int null_node_alloc (struct mount *mp, struct vnode *lowervp, vnode **vpp); And if we tried this using cc on SunOS 4.x: static int null_node_alloc (); So it is a method for increase portablity between K&R and Ansi-C. -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 7 23:15:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA18557 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:15:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from neptune.pristine.com.tw ([192.72.150.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA18551 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from team_fbf@localhost) by neptune.pristine.com.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA24128 for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:14:14 GMT From: ywliu Message-Id: <199601081514.PAA24128@neptune.pristine.com.tw> Subject: "FreeBSD ? Never heard before" embarrassment To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:14:14 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I work for a ISP company, which now uses FreeBSD 2.05R exclusively (of course under my influence 8-). We used to use Linux. Whatever it is/was/will be, it was never stable and, even worse, was vulnerable to the outside attack. We like 2.05R for its stability (though crashed several times due to the disk quota bug). Now here comes the embarrassment : when other ISP friends come to visit us, they would ask what hardware/software we are using. We told them the hardware was PC. So, they would quickly ask :" Ah, with Linux ?" I would proudly say "No. FreeBSD !!" They would stare me and asked more : "What system ? " Sometimes I even had to explain the royal history of FreeBSD to them, which usually gave them more confusion. From time to time, some friends of mine would ask me what OS I am running. I would say FreeBSD, and usually they knew only Linux. But, for an ISP friend, it was even more embarrassing. Do you have any experience how to deal with this situation ? Yen-Wei Liu From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 7 23:38:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA19507 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA19500 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA22530; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:37:36 -0800 To: ywliu cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "FreeBSD ? Never heard before" embarrassment In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Jan 1996 15:14:14 GMT." <199601081514.PAA24128@neptune.pristine.com.tw> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 23:37:36 -0800 Message-ID: <22528.821086656@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > From time to time, some friends of mine would ask me what OS I am running. > I would say FreeBSD, and usually they knew only Linux. But, for an ISP friend , > it was even more embarrassing. > > Do you have any experience how to deal with this situation ? Say to them: "What? You've never *heard* of FreeBSD? You've *never* visited http://www.freebsd.org/welcome.html? Then spend the next few minutes starting at them incredulously and shaking your head in amazement that anyone could be so far behind the times. Make a few comments about people who still use an Abacus instead of an electronic calculator.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 8 01:02:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA23468 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from lisa.rur.com (G338.257.InterLink.NET [199.202.234.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA23463 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from leo@localhost) by lisa.rur.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id EAA09640; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 04:01:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 04:01:41 -0500 (EST) From: Leo Papandreou To: ywliu cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "FreeBSD ? Never heard before" embarrassment In-Reply-To: <199601081514.PAA24128@neptune.pristine.com.tw> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Now here comes the embarrassment : when other ISP friends come to visit > us, they would ask what hardware/software we are using. We told them > the hardware was PC. So, they would quickly ask :" Ah, with Linux ?" Who? > I would proudly say "No. FreeBSD !!" They would stare me and asked more : > "What system ? " Sometimes I even had to explain the royal history of > FreeBSD to them, which usually gave them more confusion. > ... > Do you have any experience how to deal with this situation ? Sic SpUnkY on them. Seriously ( :-) :-( ;-) ;-( - whatever), I used to run Linux, but the chicks, they seem to prefer FreeBSD so who are we to argue, eh? From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 8 03:22:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA02391 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 03:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA02364 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 03:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA09814; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:21:36 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA03335; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:21:36 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id MAA27039; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:18:55 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199601081118.MAA27039@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cpp construction To: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu (David E. O'Brien) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:18:55 +0100 (MET) Cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu, FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9601080632.AA25848@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu> from "David E. O'Brien" at Jan 7, 96 10:31:58 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As David E. O'Brien wrote: > > Somewhere else (read in a file included before this one) is: This file does also account for the ``extern "C" {'' wrappers required for C++. (That's what this funny __BEGIN_DECLS is for.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 10 12:25:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA28299 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:25:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA28288 for FreeBSD-chat; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:25:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199601102025.MAA28288@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: . in mail messages To: FreeBSD-chat Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:25:20 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk this is a test of the editted majordomo scripts. Wolfram Schneider pointed out to me that majordomo should allow '.' in a mail message. '.' terminates the message only during an smtp conversation. so let's test it does it work? . yes it did. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 10 15:22:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA11545 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11509 Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA07988; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 00:21:57 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA07121; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 00:21:56 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id AAA07662; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 00:08:52 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199601102308.AAA07662@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: . in mail messages To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 00:08:52 +0100 (MET) Cc: FreeBSD-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199601102025.MAA28288@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Jan 10, 96 12:25:20 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > so let's test it > > does it work? > . > yes it did. Fine. But if you did already know that it would work -- why did you test it? :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 10 15:53:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA13695 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:53:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from intele.net (quervo.intele.net [204.118.149.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13689 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:53:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (wes@localhost) by intele.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA01845; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:53:36 -0700 From: Barnacle Wes Message-Id: <199601102353.QAA01845@intele.net> Subject: Re: . in mail messages To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:53:35 -0700 (MST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199601102025.MAA28288@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Jan 10, 96 12:25:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Wolfram Schneider pointed out to me that > majordomo should allow '.' in a mail message. '.' terminates the message > only during an smtp conversation. > > so let's test it > > does it work? > . > yes it did. Or maybe it didn't. Because . !ON A LINE BYE ITSELF! typically denotes 'end of message' to mail transport agents, most mail user agents will never send out this sequence. They typically add whitespace at the end of the line. The only way to truly test this is to feed the program (server?) a file directly, without going through an MUA. Sick and twisted, idn't it? -- Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... wes@intele.net | Jimmy Buffet From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 10 17:31:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA18865 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (aspen.woc.atinc.com [198.138.38.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA18855 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA29773; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:30:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:30:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" X-Sender: jmb@Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM To: Barnacle Wes cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: . in mail messages In-Reply-To: <199601102353.QAA01845@intele.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Barnacle Wes wrote: > Sick and twisted, idn't it? nah, just the way it is. Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 10 17:33:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA19082 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (aspen.woc.atinc.com [198.138.38.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19060 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA29780; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:31:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:31:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" X-Sender: jmb@Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM To: Joerg Wunsch cc: FreeBSD-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: . in mail messages In-Reply-To: <199601102308.AAA07662@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > so let's test it > > > > does it work? > > . > > yes it did. > > Fine. But if you did already know that it would work -- why did you > test it? :-) because, believe it or not, i have been wrong before ;))) gee, i almost feel like fonzy. Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 10 17:41:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA19646 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19641 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:41:09 -0800 (PST) From: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA06988 ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:40:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Joerg Wunsch , FreeBSD-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: . in mail messages In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:31:24 EST." Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:40:55 -0800 Message-ID: <6986.821324455@westhill.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk "Jonathan M. Bresler" wrote in message ID : > > Fine. But if you did already know that it would work -- why did you > > test it? :-) > because, believe it or not, i have been wrong before ;))) > gee, i almost feel like fonzy. Nah, you can't be Fonzy. He never was wrong about anything, and if he was, he didn't admit to it :-) Gary From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 11 00:37:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA10872 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 00:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mramirez.sy.yale.edu (mramirez.sy.yale.edu [130.132.57.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA10867 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 00:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by mramirez.sy.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA10944; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:37:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:37:43 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Ramirez Reply-To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone want to get rid of a disk drive? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone want to sell me a used smallish disk drive (pref. SCSI, although I can throw my IDE controller back in)? I'd like to sup -current, but it won't fit on my rigging as it stands, so I'm looking for a /usr/src drive. Thanks, Marc. -- A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 11 06:15:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA25049 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 06:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA25044 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 06:15:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA24080; Thu, 11 Jan 96 08:13:35 -0600 Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA04064; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:13:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:13:30 -0700 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9601111413.AA04064@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: StevenR362@aol.com, roberto@hsc.fr.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9327.821344568@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: HELP: Cyclades Drivers Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Jordan" == Jordan K Hubbard writes: Jordan> Those who have been able to successfully separate ego and Jordan> code are all still with us and contributing daily. On a tangential note, Gerald Weinberg's classic _The Psychology of Computer Programming_ has been recently reprinted and is available in softcover. If you've never read it, get it. Some of the scenarios described therein may sound dated, but it's surprising how the psychological aspects still apply. The chapter on egoless programming is particularly worthwhile. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory, Boulder Colorado USA I have the world's largest collection of seashells. I keep it on all the beaches of the world... Perhaps you've seen it. -- Steven Wright From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 11 08:19:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA01407 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:19:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from chrome.jdl.com (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA01400 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:19:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA03483 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:17:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199601111617.KAA03483@chrome.jdl.com> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.jdl.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Interesting Development on the Windows/UNIX front... Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:17:54 -0600 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Care to speculate how this might be, er, useful to any of us? :-) jdl ------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:05:02 -0500 From: bostic@bsdi.com (Keith Bostic) Subject: Windows on Unix compliments of Noorda Forwarded-by: Eric Varsanyi NOORDA's WILLOWS TO PUT ITS WINDOWS-ON-UNIX SOURCE ON TO NET Fresh from its victory over Microsoft Corp last month at ECMA, the European Computer Manufacturers Association (UX No 569), the tiny Ray Noorda-financed start-up Willows Software has changed gears, plowing ahead with a move that is bound to irk the mighty Redmond empire. This week it'll detail a plan to distribute the source code to its ersatz Win32s operating environment, described as a subset of Windows 95, free on the Internet. It will also make its anticipated software development kit, the Twin Cross Platform Developers Kit (XPDK), similarly available for personal use. Noorda himself will brief the press. The source code will allow users of any flavour of Unix - followed in turn by Apple Macintosh, Novell NetWare and ultimately IBM OS/2 users - to run Windows binaries, particularly Microsoft's own highly popular Word, Excel and PowerPoint programs, on their systems. They will not have to pay any operating systems "taxes" to Microsoft. Saratoga, California-based Willows claims the move will create something of a paradigm shift - at least within the narrow confines of Unix - and spell the end of Sun Microsystems Inc's like-minded but limited product, Wabi, as well as Motif. Officially, Wabi only runs two dozen of the thousands of Windows programs available and to run some of them, like PowerPoint, requires the real Windows underneath, defeating one of Sun's purposes - to wit, depriving Microsoft of its revenue stream. Willows chief Rob Farnum says he will spend the next few weeks lobbying Wabi's greatest adherents, Sun and IBM, to abandon Wabi and license the Willows solution on favourable terms. He has utter confidence such an appeal will succeed and make Willows money. (Sun and IBM Corp did after all sit on the ECMA technical committee TC37 with Willows pushing the technology as a standard.) Farnum never wanted to distribute the source code, he says, because Willows doesn't have the financial wherewithal to support it. The decision to do it anyway was made over the holidays by Microsoft's old nemesis Ray Noorda and his henchmen. Farnum now believes that despite the fact the source code won't be supported it will attract tens of thousands of users. Outside interest in Willows technology, he said, has always focused almost exclusively on its ability to run binaries. It is unclear whether Noorda will also try to tie it in somehow with the Linux freeware-based Corsair Internet desktop his Caldera operation is pushing. Willows is also now willing to forego carving out what it estimates would be a modest little $10m business selling its XPDK toolkit to a couple of thousand Unix developers a year. Any real money to be made, it figures, lies in what it calls "professional services," porting applications for people with its technology or helping them port them. It intends to announce such a program this week. It also intends to announce licensing schemes whereby pieces of its technology can be bundled with third-party programs. Willows will support its technology when applied to commercial purposes and apparently charge modest licensing fees of $250 a platform despite the number of developers using it or run-times created. Farnum claims that when Willows this week announces the imminent arrival of its XPDK for the Mac - which like its NetWare kit is at the alpha stage - it will bring pressure to bear on Microsoft's new $1,600 Visual C++ tool for the platform. Still he remains diffident, or perhaps cautious, about Willows impact on Microsoft - at one point calling it "mouse nuts" - and Microsoft's reaction to Willows' moves. He apparently expects Microsoft to denigrate Willows technology out of a perceived loss of control, loss of revenue and threat to Win95. At the same time, he admits it would take Willows 50 man-years just to catch up with Microsoft's OLE work which he knows he must emulate. Farnum leaves unarticulated or unadmitted - despite direct questions - Willows long-term purposes respecting Microsoft though perhaps he and Noorda now feel they will make more daunting foes by using the Internet to evolve their schemes. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBMPN36zxFdSMFRIw5AQFPPAP/Qox48EABhVunQ7FT0NvPjOc32ptEK+Db UDR8igkYYo5GXTSV9HZ28+WjsFz/rXtf+7Y+CM3u4m1d5dj79+2wkVDQCn282bO0 GMGddyUOnTeZ5S0OB2l1F+iPTjUd4iiOUvUeu3roHXrxgE1vyC6dp5Jetf9OQdmI dzsv0mx1i2I= =XLdk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 11 11:30:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA13020 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13014 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA18708; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:30:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:30:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199601111930.OAA18708@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> In-Reply-To: Jon Loeliger "Interesting Development on the Windows/UNIX front..." (Jan 11, 10:17am) from: chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Jon Loeliger Subject: Re: Interesting Development on the Windows/UNIX front... Cc: chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Jan 11, 10:17am, Jon Loeliger wrote: } Subject: Interesting Development on the Windows/UNIX front... } Care to speculate how this might be, er, useful to any of us? :-) } Are you going to port it to freebsd? I contacted Willows and asked if they'd consider porting it to NetBSD/FreeBSD/BSDI and they replied saying "yes" but wanted to send mail to the mailing lists and see what the responses were first. However, I don't remember seeing them post. Did anyone else? Currently their web site only mentions ports to MAC/OS and such but no other UNIX OS's. } jdl } } ------- Forwarded Message } } Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:05:02 -0500 } From: bostic@bsdi.com (Keith Bostic) } Subject: Windows on Unix compliments of Noorda } } Forwarded-by: Eric Varsanyi } } NOORDA's WILLOWS TO PUT ITS WINDOWS-ON-UNIX SOURCE ON TO NET [ deleted for space. ] } } ------- End of Forwarded Message }-- End of excerpt from Jon Loeliger -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 11 12:31:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA17455 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from chrome.jdl.com (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17450 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA04127; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:29:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199601112029.OAA04127@chrome.jdl.com> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.jdl.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Interesting Development on the Windows/UNIX front... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:30:11 EST." <199601111930.OAA18708@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:29:24 -0600 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Apparently, chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu scribbled: > On Jan 11, 10:17am, Jon Loeliger wrote: > } Subject: Interesting Development on the Windows/UNIX front... > } Care to speculate how this might be, er, useful to any of us? :-) > > Are you going to port it to freebsd? I contacted Willows and > asked if they'd consider porting it to NetBSD/FreeBSD/BSDI and > they replied saying "yes" but wanted to send mail to the mailing lists > and see what the responses were first. I confess that I personally will not have time to do so. It would be really cool to have available, but I can't do it now. jdl From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 11 18:41:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA16946 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA16938 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:41:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA07209; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:40:35 -0800 To: Jon Loeliger cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Interesting Development on the Windows/UNIX front... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:17:54 CST." <199601111617.KAA03483@chrome.jdl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:40:35 -0800 Message-ID: <7207.821414435@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Care to speculate how this might be, er, useful to any of us? :-) I just finished talking with the people at Willows. Very interesting! More details in the Monday/Tuesday timeframe - we're discussing the various legalities now. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 11 19:15:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA18987 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA18979 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:15:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA00432; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:15:10 -0800 To: chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu cc: Jon Loeliger , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Interesting Development on the Windows/UNIX front... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:30:11 EST." <199601111930.OAA18708@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:15:10 -0800 Message-ID: <430.821416510@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Currently their web site only mentions ports to MAC/OS and > such but no other UNIX OS's. The FreeBSD port will be available *very* shortly. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 11 21:08:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA28463 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from intele.net (quervo.intele.net [204.118.149.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA28451 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (wes@localhost) by intele.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA18966; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:08:23 -0700 From: Barnacle Wes Message-Id: <199601120508.WAA18966@intele.net> Subject: Re: Anyone want to get rid of a disk drive? To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:08:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Marc Ramirez" at Jan 11, 96 03:37:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone want to sell me a used smallish disk drive (pref. SCSI, > although I can throw my IDE controller back in)? I'd like to sup > -current, but it won't fit on my rigging as it stands, so I'm looking for > a /usr/src drive. Sorry, I don't have any disposable drives at the moment. On the other hand, Hi-Tech Component Distributors, Inc. seems to have a lot of them. Their recent ad in Computer Shopper included the following SCSI drives that might interest you: Maxtor LXT213 12 ms SCSI 212Mb $59 Quantum LT3655 13 ms SCSI-2 366Mb $109 Seagate ST1480N 14 ms SCSI-2 424Mb $115 Seagate ST3600 11 ms SCSI-2 525Mb $149 HP 97560 14 ms SCSI-2 1.3Gb $199 I probably don't need to add that these are pretty good prices, do I? I'll be buying a couple from them soon, probably one or two of the HPs. -- Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... wes@intele.net | Jimmy Buffet From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 12 02:43:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA01094 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 02:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA01085 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 02:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD.CS.2.6) id AA19995; Fri, 12 Jan 96 02:43:24 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 96 02:43:24 PST From: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu (David E. O'Brien) Message-Id: <9601121043.AA19995@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Custom boot floppy? Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Custom boot floppy? Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] In article <30F622EE.2781E494@FreeBSD.org> you wrote: : We're working on making this easier, but right now making your own boot : floppy is not a trivial exercise! :-( : -- : - Jordan Hubbard : President, The FreeBSD Project I see Jordan got a new offical looking sig. Hum... W-2's will be here soon. Does this have anything w/a desire to be able to put down "President" on his 1040 this year. :-)) -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 12 03:19:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA02849 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA02841 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA29449; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:19:07 -0800 To: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu (David E. O'Brien) cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Custom boot floppy? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Jan 1996 02:43:24 PST." <9601121043.AA19995@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:19:07 -0800 Message-ID: <29446.821445547@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I see Jordan got a new offical looking sig. Hum... W-2's will be here > soon. Does this have anything w/a desire to be able to put down > "President" on his 1040 this year. :-)) > > -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) :-) Actually, I got this `official sig' only after David mentioned that his change of .sig had resulted in a lot of increased contacts and interest from various random people, so.. :) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 12 06:04:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA11652 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 06:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA11647 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 06:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03111; Fri, 12 Jan 96 08:04:49 -0600 Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA03975; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:04:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:04:48 -0700 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9601121404.AA03975@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: brian@mediacity.com Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199601121245.EAA17199@MediaCity.com> (message from Brian Litzinger on Fri, 12 Jan 1996 04:45:51 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: ddd 1.4a static version in incoming Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Brian" == Brian Litzinger writes: Brian> Also, a port doesn't help the Motif-impaired. >From personal experience (or call it Motif angst), I think that should be the ``Motif-liberated.'' -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory, Boulder Colorado USA Sponges grow in the ocean. That just kills me. I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be if that didn't happen. -- Steven Wright From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 12 07:12:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA15025 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:12:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com [129.86.24.104]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA15007 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27750; Fri, 12 Jan 96 10:16:05 -0500 Received: from cosmic (loopback) by cosmic.sanders.lockheed.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02218; Fri, 12 Jan 96 10:09:20 EST Message-Id: <30F6799F.167EB0E7@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:09:19 -0500 From: "Chris J. Brody" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: bsletten@vivid.autometric.com, gnu-win32@cygnus.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, jdl@jdl.com, bostic@bsdi.com, ewv@boom.bsdi.com, bsletten@autometric.com, fresco@x.org Subject: Check out http://www.willows.com/ References: <9601111338.ZM16734@jester.autometric.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I read a question about Willow's effort to put out some products to support a standard Windows API and make Windows programming work on many platforms. Looks like a valuable thing to check out. Its URL is: http://www.willows.com/ -- Chris From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 12 19:04:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA00580 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA00571 for chat; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:04:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:04:48 -0800 (PST) From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199601130304.TAA00571@freefall.freebsd.org> To: chat Subject: Resend still broke? Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 13 02:28:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA18492 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 02:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA18458 Sat, 13 Jan 1996 02:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id LAA07865 ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:27:58 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id LAA02752 ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:27:57 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id LAA19098; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:25:09 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199601131025.LAA19098@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Resend still broke? To: nate@freefall.freebsd.org (Nate Williams) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:25:09 +0100 (MET) Cc: chat@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199601130304.TAA00571@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Nate Williams" at Jan 12, 96 07:04:48 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1530 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Nate Williams said: > Subject: Resend still broke? Not anymore it would seem. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #13: Sat Jan 6 20:08:04 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 13 16:29:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA28992 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA28985 Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:29:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:14:44 -0600 (CST) From: Mirai X-Sender: mirai@foley.ripco.com To: "Chris J. Brody" cc: bsletten@vivid.autometric.com, gnu-win32@cygnus.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, jdl@jdl.com, bostic@bsdi.com, ewv@boom.bsdi.com, bsletten@autometric.com, fresco@x.org Subject: Re: Check out http://www.willows.com/ In-Reply-To: <30F6799F.167EB0E7@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Its already been done...and for free!!! http://www.faslab.com/fresco/HomePage.html Jim "shoplifters of the world, unite and take over!" - morrissey On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Chris J. Brody wrote: > I read a question about Willow's effort to put out some products to > support a standard Windows API and make Windows programming work on many > platforms. Looks like a valuable thing to check out. Its URL is: > > http://www.willows.com/ > > -- Chris