From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 11 19:17:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA07724 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 19:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from elane (root@NS.ELANE.COM [205.233.74.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA07704 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 19:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from else by elane with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0tloqE-000inoC; Sun, 11 Feb 96 22:22 EST Received: by else (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0tlonL-000MR7C; Sun, 11 Feb 96 22:19 EST Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:19:14 -0500 (EST) From: James FitzGibbon To: Rob Misiak cc: freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ISDN Terminal Adapter In-Reply-To: <199602091830.NAA18832@madonna.indecent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Rob Misiak wrote: > I'm looking into getting an ISDN connection ... any suggestions for a good > terminal adapter? (like one that FreeBSD supports? ;) I have no experience with > ISDN, and really have no idea what to get. Thanks, I've used Motorola BitSurfrs, UTA220, TA210s, and Adtran ISU 2x64s with no problems. Check out http://www.elane.com/~isdn for a good selection of units. j. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 11 21:46:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA26910 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:46:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA26899 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA29796 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 00:43:55 -0500 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199602120543.AAA29796@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Trenton Computer Festiva To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 00:43:55 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Looks like the Trenton Computer Festival's got a home page at http://www.dorsai.org/fair... Anyone looking to schedule a FreeBSD bof let me know. Bill Also -- anyone doing Sage in DC in May? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice. Lakewood MicroSystems | 17 Meredith Drive, 908-389-3592 | Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 pechter@shell.monmouth.com | From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 12 01:08:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA09847 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 01:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA09841 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 01:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD.CS.2.6) id AA08087; Mon, 12 Feb 96 01:08:23 PST From: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu (David E. O'Brien) Message-Id: <9602120908.AA08087@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu> Subject: cvs-all-digest V1 #248 (fwd) To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 01:08:21 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-cvs-all-digest@freefall.freebsd.org ----- > From: Mike Pritchard > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:29:15 -0800 (PST) > Subject: cvs commit: src/sbin/reboot Makefile boot_hp300.8 boot_sparc.8 boot_tahoe.8 boot_vax.8 > > mpp 96/02/11 20:29:14 > > Modified: sbin/reboot Makefile > Removed: sbin/reboot boot_hp300.8 boot_sparc.8 boot_tahoe.8 > boot_vax.8 > Log: > Removed the boot_*(8) man pages for machines we don't support: > hp300, sparc, tahoe, and vax >------------------------------ Boo-hoo. :-(( There goes some of our history and heritage. I actually am a little sad to see old folklore go away. -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 12 11:04:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA19404 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA19398 Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:04:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199602121904.LAA19398@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Trenton Computer Festiva To: pechter@shell.monmouth.com (Bill/Carolyn Pechter) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:04:52 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602120543.AAA29796@shell.monmouth.com> from "Bill/Carolyn Pechter" at Feb 12, 96 00:43:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > > Also -- anyone doing Sage in DC in May? Sage? as in SANS? i hope to be there. have to work out the arrangements still. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 12 11:48:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA22348 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from starfleet.gov (root@sba-ca1-15.ix.netcom.com [204.32.201.47]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22337 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:48:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from d_burr@localhost) by starfleet.gov (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA06758; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:47:05 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:47:03 -0800 (PST) From: Donald Burr X-Sender: d_burr@starfleet.gov To: support@ardi.com cc: Executor Mailing-List , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Using Executor with FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just thought I'd pass along the following hints 'n tips in using Executor in a FreeBSD environment. First of all, it IS possible. The FreeBSD Linux emulation code, even the 2.0.5 version, is more than adequate to run it. 2.1 is quite good for me. CURRENT/SNAP/STABLE/etc. versions are probably even better. Unfortunately, the Linux sound support doesn't work. But that's just about the only thing that doesn't. Since the FreeBSD console driver does not work at all with Linux SVGALIB, the SVGALIB version of Executor doesn't run, even if you have the svgalib shared library installed. Several error messages are generated, that can be safely ignored. They are mainly annoyances. Here are the messages that can be ignored: syslog() not supported (BSD sigreturn) LINUX: 'ioctl' fd=6, typ=0x53(S), num=0xb not implemented LINUX: 'ioctl' fd=13, typ=0x450(P), num=0xa not implemented You will need to install the "bash" shell (it's available as part of the FreeBSD packages/ports collection). It installs into /usr/local/bin, but Executor expects it to be in /bin. A simple symlink will suffice, though. As root, type: ln -s /usr/local/bin/bash /bin/bash Even though bash is installed, Executor still needs to have the "type" command. It needs this program in order to support printing directly to a printer. If it can't run it, it will just print to a file in /tmp. Why doesn't the bash built-in "type" command get executed? This is because Executor doesn't specifically run the bash shell to execute it, but instead it runs the standard shell "sh". In Linux, this is no problem, since sh is usually a link to bash anyway. But, FreeBSD uses the real Bourne shell, which does not have the "type" command built-in. So, what I did is wrote a simple shell script to emulate it. Put this script anywhere in your path (/usr/local/bin/type is where I stuck it), and make sure it's executable (chmod 755 type). #!/bin/sh exec bash -c "type $*" And this is it. The program works flawlessly with these modifications. (Even without them, the program still worked, although printing directly to a printer didn't work, and some odd error messages from the /bin/sh shell were displayed). I once again wish to thank the Executor team for a GREAT product, and the FreeBSD team for a GREAT OS. Keep up the good work, all of you! Donald Burr [d_burr@ix.netcom.com], PO Box 91212, Santa Barbara CA 93190-1212 TEL (805)564-1871 / FAX 564-2315 / WWW http://www.geopages.com/WallStreet/2072 PGP Public Key available by request (send e-mail) or on Public Key Servers. ** Uphold your right to privacy - Use PGP. ** From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 12 11:58:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA23019 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22997 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:57:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id UAA17575; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:57:10 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA05397; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:57:09 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id SAA12414; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:55:29 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602121755.SAA12414@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cvs-all-digest V1 #248 (fwd) To: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu (David E. O'Brien) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:55:26 +0100 (MET) Cc: chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9602120908.AA08087@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu> from "David E. O'Brien" at Feb 12, 96 01:08:21 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As David E. O'Brien wrote: > > > Modified: sbin/reboot Makefile > > Removed: sbin/reboot boot_hp300.8 boot_sparc.8 boot_tahoe.8 > > boot_vax.8 > > Log: > > Removed the boot_*(8) man pages for machines we don't support: > > hp300, sparc, tahoe, and vax > Boo-hoo. :-(( There goes some of our history and heritage. I actually > am a little sad to see old folklore go away. The folklore is still lurking in the Attic, so once we support booting Vaxen it could be brought back again. :-) (Are there even any Tahoe's around? :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 12 14:24:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA06972 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06960 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA08104; Mon, 12 Feb 96 16:24:24 -0600 Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA02734; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:24:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:24:23 -0700 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9602122224.AA02734@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: d_burr@ix.netcom.com Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: (message from Donald Burr on Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:47:03 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: Using Executor with FreeBSD Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Donald" == Donald Burr writes: Donald> I just thought I'd pass along the following hints 'n tips Donald> in using Executor in a FreeBSD environment. And the $64,000 question: what IS Executor?!? -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory, Boulder Colorado USA A man doesn't automatically get my respect. He has to get down in the dirt and beg for it. -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 12 15:18:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA11331 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from starfleet.gov (root@sba-ca1-01.ix.netcom.com [204.32.201.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11326 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:18:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from d_burr@localhost) by starfleet.gov (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA13416; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:18:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:18:27 -0800 (PST) From: Donald Burr X-Sender: d_burr@starfleet.gov To: Sean Kelly cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using Executor with FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <9602122224.AA02734@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Sean Kelly wrote: > >>>>> "Donald" == Donald Burr writes: > > Donald> I just thought I'd pass along the following hints 'n tips > Donald> in using Executor in a FreeBSD environment. > > And the $64,000 question: what IS Executor?!? Macintosh emulator for UNIX, DOS, and NEXTstep. Quite good, really, and an amazing programming accomplishment. Donald Burr [d_burr@ix.netcom.com], PO Box 91212, Santa Barbara CA 93190-1212 TEL (805)564-1871 / FAX 564-2315 / WWW http://www.geopages.com/WallStreet/2072 PGP Public Key available by request (send e-mail) or on Public Key Servers. ** Uphold your right to privacy - Use PGP. ** From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 13 00:34:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA21806 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from tide03.microsoft.com (firewall-user@tide03.microsoft.com [131.107.3.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA21800 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by tide03.microsoft.com; id AAA23189; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:45:31 -0800 Received: from unknown(157.54.17.73) by tide03.microsoft.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma023175; Tue, 13 Feb 96 00:45:13 -0800 Received: from xnet1 ([157.54.17.204]) by imail1.microsoft.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id AAA02736 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:38:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from NAX-01-HUB by xnet1 with recvsmtp; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:34:27 -0800 X-Received: from EUX-02-HUB by nax-01-hub with recvsmtp; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:34:24 -0800 X-Received: from lul-02-msg by eux-02-hub with receive; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:33:53 +0000 X-MSMail-Identification-du-message: F0B66E45 X-MSMail-ID-de-la-conversation: F0B66E45 From: Florent Pitoun (Itl Temp) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 09:32:44 PST Subject: What is freeBSD? X-MsXMTID: lul-02-msg960213083344MTP[01.52.00]000000d6-385 Message-Id: lul-02-msg960213083344MTP[01.52.00]000000d6-385 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm interested in OS and I would like to have some informations about FreeBSD: - Is it a linux-like OS? - Does it provide a graphical interface like X-windows? - What kind of configuration does it need to run well? - How much does it cost? Thanks in advance 4 all the info. Florent (french e-mail afficcionado) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 13 06:26:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA13666 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA13660 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA07256 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:25:40 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id PAA22420; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:21:50 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id PAA13399; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:21:50 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id OAA29755; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:53:48 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602131353.OAA29755@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: What is freeBSD? To: i-flopit@microsoft.com (Florent Pitoun) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:53:48 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: lul-02-msg960213083344MTP[01.52.00]000000d6-385 from "Florent Pitoun" at Feb 13, 96 09:32:44 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Florent Pitoun wrote: > > - Is it a linux-like OS? No, it's a unix-like OS. Linux is also a unix-like OS, however. :-) > - Does it provide a graphical interface like X-windows? As an add-on package, and it's exactly the same as Linux has (XFree86). > - What kind of configuration does it need to run well? This depends on what you wanna do with it. I'm running it on my 386sx/16 notebook within only 5 MB of RAM, though the previous 120 MB disk was a bit small for my needs, and has been replaced by a 250 MB one. This is obviously not a racing car, and starting X11 on it takes some 5 minutes. ;-) But i'm also running it at work on an i586/100, 32 MB RAM, 2.8 GB disks, DAT tape, CD recorder, 1280x1024 16-bit depth X11 display, etc. I can record a CD-R while running full multiuser (and this is real *multi*, i.e. my colleagues do also use the machine for several services). Walnut Creek CDROM is operating the world's heaviest-loaded Internet server (wcarchive.cdrom.com) with FreeBSD, too. They have 256 MB RAM, an i686 CPU, dozens of Gigabytes disk, and allow for 600 simultaneous FTP users plus WWW users... I think you got the picture? > - How much does it cost? Your Internet costs to suck several hundred Megabytes across your IP connection, or alternatively US$ 49 for the CDROM from Walnut Creek (info@cdrom.com). Perhaps you could even get the CD cheaper at a local vendor. Take care to get the most recent version (2.1 by now). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 13 06:52:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA15110 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from tide10.microsoft.com (firewall-user@tide10.microsoft.com [131.107.3.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA15105 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by tide10.microsoft.com; id HAA26323; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 07:02:12 -0800 Received: from unknown(157.54.17.74) by tide10.microsoft.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma026300; Tue, 13 Feb 96 07:01:56 -0800 Received: from xnet1 (xnet1.microsoft.com [157.54.17.204]) by imail2.microsoft.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA12604; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:44:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from NAX-01-HUB by xnet1 with recvsmtp; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:40:44 -0800 X-Received: from EUX-02-HUB by nax-01-hub with recvsmtp; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:40:27 -0800 X-Received: from lul-02-msg by eux-02-hub with receive; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:40:18 +0000 X-MSMail-Identification-du-message: FFE54B0D X-MSMail-ID-de-la-conversation: FFE54B0D From: Florent Pitoun (Itl Temp) To: j@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 15:38:44 PST Subject: Re: What is freeBSD? Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-MsXMTID: lul-02-msg960213143956MTP[01.52.00]000000d6-1622 Message-Id: lul-02-msg960213143956MTP[01.52.00]000000d6-1622 X-MSContent-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk First, thanks for all these explanations. Is X-Free86 provided on the CD and can I be added to the ailing list? thanks. Florent. ---------- De: J Wunsch A: Florent Pitoun (Itl Temp) Cc: Objet: Re: What is freeBSD? Date: mardi 13 f=E9vrier 1996 14:53 As Florent Pitoun wrote: > > - Is it a linux-like OS? No, it's a unix-like OS. Linux is also a unix-like OS, however. :-) > - Does it provide a graphical interface like X-windows? As an add-on package, and it's exactly the same as Linux has (XFree86). > - What kind of configuration does it need to run well? This depends on what you wanna do with it. I'm running it on my 386sx/16 notebook within only 5 MB of RAM, though the previous 120 MB disk was a bit small for my needs, and has been replaced by a 250 MB one. This is obviously not a racing car, and starting X11 on it takes some 5 minutes. ;-) But i'm also running it at work on an i586/100, 32 MB RAM, 2.8 GB disks, DAT tape, CD recorder, 1280x1024 16-bit depth X11 display, etc. I can record a CD-R while running full multiuser (and this is real *multi*, i.e. my colleagues do also use the machine for several services). Walnut Creek CDROM is operating the world's heaviest-loaded Internet server (wcarchive.cdrom.com) with FreeBSD, too. They have 256 MB RAM, an i686 CPU, dozens of Gigabytes disk, and allow for 600 simultaneous FTP users plus WWW users... I think you got the picture? > - How much does it cost? Your Internet costs to suck several hundred Megabytes across your IP connection, or alternatively US$ 49 for the CDROM from Walnut Creek (info@cdrom.com). Perhaps you could even get the CD cheaper at a local vendor. Take care to get the most recent version (2.1 by now). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RI= PE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 13 14:35:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA13685 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:35:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13641 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA06295; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:34:59 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA18848; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:34:59 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id XAA05864; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:21:30 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602132221.XAA05864@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: What is freeBSD? To: i-flopit@microsoft.com (Florent Pitoun) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:21:29 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: lul-02-msg960213143956MTP[01.52.00]000000d6-1622 from "Florent Pitoun" at Feb 13, 96 03:38:44 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Florent Pitoun wrote: > > > Ick. Micro$oft. > Is X-Free86 provided on the CD and can I be added to the ailing list? XFree86 is on the CD, of course. For the mailing lists, send a message containing just the line help in the *body* of the message to majordomo@freebsd.org -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 14 02:29:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA08113 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 02:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from csmd.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (csmd.cs.uni-magdeburg.de [141.44.22.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA08108 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 02:28:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602141028.CAA08108@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from csmd49.cs.uni-magdeburg.de by csmd.cs.uni-magdeburg.de with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA11541; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:29:19 +0100 Received: by csmd49.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA048443758; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:29:18 +0100 From: Roland Jesse Subject: Re: What is freeBSD? To: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:29:17 +0100 (MEZ) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602131353.OAA29755@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Feb 13, 96 02:53:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Quoting J Wunsch: > Perhaps you could even get the CD cheaper at a > local vendor. Take care to get the most recent version (2.1 by now). Do you know any vendor in Germany ? Wenn ja, dann vielen Dank fuer einen Hinweis. :-) Regards, Roland -- Roland (rj,-) Jesse, stud.rer.nat. et phil. URL: http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~jesse/ E-Mail: jesse@csmd.cs.uni-magdeburg.de - pgp encrypted mail preferred - From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 14 13:53:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA16971 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16965 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA03651; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:52:18 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA29322; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:52:17 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id WAA26723; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:24:59 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602142124.WAA26723@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: What is freeBSD? To: jesse@csmd.cs.Uni-Magdeburg.DE (Roland Jesse) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:24:58 +0100 (MET) Cc: chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602141029.LAA23250@sax.sax.de> from "Roland Jesse" at Feb 14, 96 11:29:17 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Roland Jesse wrote: > > Quoting J Wunsch: > > Perhaps you could even get the CD cheaper at a > > local vendor. Take care to get the most recent version (2.1 by now). > > Do you know any vendor in Germany ? Ask in de.comp.os.unix. At least, J.F.Lehmann's used to sell it, but there are more vendors. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 16 13:28:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA08046 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dreamlabs.dreaming.org (dreamlabs.dreaming.org [198.96.119.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08019 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mitayai@localhost) by dreamlabs.dreaming.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA13149; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:29:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:29:22 -0500 (EST) From: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Argh!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Goddamit, i keep losing people's phone numbers and it's beginning to get annoying... Is there a non-Motif-based address/phone book for X that has been or can be easily ported to FreeBSD? I have tk4 installed, but never had the chance to use it and a friend suggested that as an option... the lack of a decent address book is the only thing missing from my virtual office besides a mobile ISDN. :) -Mit ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe at DreamLabs Community Information Network Toronto/Peterborough/Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Web: http://www.dreaming.org/~mitayai IRC: Mitayai Email: mitayai@dreaming.org From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 16 23:51:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA28587 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA28578 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id IAA18122; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 08:51:32 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA22387; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 08:51:24 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id IAA07986; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 08:49:58 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602170749.IAA07986@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Argh!!! To: mitayai@dreaming.org (Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 08:49:58 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-chat@FREEBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@interface-business.de In-Reply-To: from "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" at Feb 16, 96 04:29:22 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FREEBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: > > Goddamit, i keep losing people's phone numbers and it's beginning to get > annoying... Is there a non-Motif-based address/phone > book for X that has been or can be easily ported to FreeBSD? I have tk4 > installed, but never > had the chance to use it and a friend suggested that as an option... I use a shell/awk script and a plain text database file. This works also when logged in via telnet or a modem. My colleague uses xgrok, but that's Motif-based. I could perhaps see that we can link it statically against -lXm (as well as `plan', the calendar planner, though there are also non-Motif ones around), and drop it somewhere on ftp.freebsd.org, if you want. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)