From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 19 10:29:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA14143 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from starfleet.gov (root@sba-ca1-14.ix.netcom.com [204.32.201.46]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14127 Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from d_burr@localhost) by starfleet.gov (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA00619; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:29:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:29:28 -0800 (PST) From: Donald Burr X-Sender: d_burr@starfleet.gov To: FreeBSD Chat cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: freebsd mailing list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Is it possible to get the various freebsd-* mailing lists in digestified form, either once a day or a small number of times a day? For some psychological reason or something, I prefer having one or a small number of LONG email messages rather than gazillions of them trickling in as the day goes by. Donald Burr [d_burr@ix.netcom.com], PO Box 91212, Santa Barbara CA 93190-1212 TEL (805)564-1871 / FAX 564-2315 / WWW http://www.geopages.com/WallStreet/2072 PGP Public Key available by request (send e-mail) or on Public Key Servers. ** Uphold your right to privacy - Use PGP. ** From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 19 11:49:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA18102 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA18096 Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:49:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199602191949.LAA18096@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: freebsd mailing list To: d_burr@ix.netcom.com (Donald Burr) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:49:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Donald Burr" at Feb 19, 96 10:29:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Donald Burr wrote: > > Is it possible to get the various freebsd-* mailing lists in digestified > form, either once a day or a small number of times a day? For some > psychological reason or something, I prefer having one or a small number > of LONG email messages rather than gazillions of them trickling in as the > day goes by. cvs-all, current, hackers and questions are available as digests subscribe to freebsd-cvs-all-digest, freebsd-hackers-digest, .... From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 19 12:40:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21567 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:40:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21562 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA06866 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:39:44 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199602192039.PAA06866@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Woah! cdrom.com! To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:39:44 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Yow! 100Mbits, Multiple T3.. EGADS man. How much of this bandwidth is dedicated to cdrom.com? How much is CDROM.com pushing? Inquiring minds and all that! -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 19 21:39:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA22461 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:39:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA22456 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA22695; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:38:22 -0800 To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:39:44 EST." <199602192039.PAA06866@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:38:22 -0800 Message-ID: <22693.824794702@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Yow! 100Mbits, Multiple T3.. EGADS man. Well, it's not quite so rosy. Our 100MBit connection actually goes through a 10Mbit pipe further downstream and will continue to do so until Cisco starts shipping their fast 100Mbit card for the 7500. Not sure what the ETA on this is since they ordered it in September. So we're not actually 100Mbit *yet*, really. We will be soon, I hope. Until then, we're at our usual ~800K/sec average data rate. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 19 22:53:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA25472 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:53:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from PBINET.com (chumash.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25467 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from bitch.Lamb.net (ulf@ppp-3-43.okld03.pbinet.com [206.170.3.43]) by PBINET.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA04715; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:53:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:55:58 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann X-Sender: ulf@bitch.Lamb.net To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Charles Henrich , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-Reply-To: <22693.824794702@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hmmm, 800 kb/sec ? I had 114 kb/sec via a 4 hop/1.5 MBit/sec link. And that as 599 other user were logged in. Ulf. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann | email-home: ulf@pbinet.com | FreeBSD ? The coolest OS 1525 Pacific Ave. | email-work: ulf@ncd.com | since computer exists :) Alameda, CA-94501 | phone-home: 510-865-0204 | phone-work: 415-899-7941 On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Yow! 100Mbits, Multiple T3.. EGADS man. > > Well, it's not quite so rosy. Our 100MBit connection actually goes > through a 10Mbit pipe further downstream and will continue to do so > until Cisco starts shipping their fast 100Mbit card for the 7500. Not > sure what the ETA on this is since they ordered it in September. > > So we're not actually 100Mbit *yet*, really. We will be soon, I hope. > Until then, we're at our usual ~800K/sec average data rate. > > Jordan > > From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 19 23:06:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26032 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26027 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id IAA12483 ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:05:54 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id IAA28391 ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:05:53 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id IAA01188; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:01:12 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602200701.IAA01188@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:01:11 +0100 (MET) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <22693.824794702@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Feb 19, 96 09:38:22 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1688 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL5 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > Well, it's not quite so rosy. Our 100MBit connection actually goes > through a 10Mbit pipe further downstream and will continue to do so > until Cisco starts shipping their fast 100Mbit card for the 7500. Not > sure what the ETA on this is since they ordered it in September. Why not putting it on the FDDI ring of Barrnet/BBN ? :-) If I remember well it is now: ethernet FDDI ring wcarchive ------------- Barrnet / BBN ------------ T3 backbone Or has it changed ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Tue Feb 20 01:16:51 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 19 23:07:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26172 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA26165 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA09511; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:07:42 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199602200707.CAA09511@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! To: ulf@pbinet.com (Ulf Zimmermann) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:07:42 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Ulf Zimmermann" at Feb 19, 96 10:55:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hmmm, 800 kb/sec ? I had 114 kb/sec via a 4 hop/1.5 MBit/sec link. And > that as 599 other user were logged in. > Do you mean Kbits, or Kbytes? Jordan was speaking of 800 KBytes/sec.. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 19 23:08:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26220 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA26215 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA09523; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:08:03 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199602200708.CAA09523@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:08:03 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <22693.824794702@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 19, 96 09:38:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Well, it's not quite so rosy. Our 100MBit connection actually goes > through a 10Mbit pipe further downstream and will continue to do so > until Cisco starts shipping their fast 100Mbit card for the 7500. Not > sure what the ETA on this is since they ordered it in September. > > So we're not actually 100Mbit *yet*, really. We will be soon, I hope. > Until then, we're at our usual ~800K/sec average data rate. Ah, that explains the poor performance. Cant wait until I can go T3 all the way to cdrom.com! -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Feb 19 23:18:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26579 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA26574 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA23239; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:16:38 -0800 To: Ollivier Robert cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:01:11 +0100." <199602200701.IAA01188@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:16:37 -0800 Message-ID: <23237.824800597@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk They don't sell this service. We asked. :-) Jordan > It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > > Well, it's not quite so rosy. Our 100MBit connection actually goes > > through a 10Mbit pipe further downstream and will continue to do so > > until Cisco starts shipping their fast 100Mbit card for the 7500. Not > > sure what the ETA on this is since they ordered it in September. > > Why not putting it on the FDDI ring of Barrnet/BBN ? :-) > > If I remember well it is now: > > ethernet FDDI ring > wcarchive ------------- Barrnet / BBN ------------ T3 backbone > > Or has it changed ? > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Tue Feb 20 01:16:51 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 20 01:15:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA01040 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (root@nervosa.com [192.187.228.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA01035 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:15:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (coredump@onyx.nervosa.com [10.0.0.1]) by nervosa.com (8.7.3/nervosa.com.2) with SMTP id BAA02288; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:13:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:13:11 -0800 (PST) From: invalid opcode To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Ollivier Robert , henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-Reply-To: <23237.824800597@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > If I remember well it is now: > > > > ethernet FDDI ring > > wcarchive ------------- Barrnet / BBN ------------ T3 backbone Hmm, wouldn't that be: wcarchive <-> ether <-> Barrnet / BBN <-> FDDI ring <-> FDDI backbone > > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net == Chris Layne ============================================================= == coredump@nervosa.com ================= http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 20 10:03:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA25058 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25053 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14903(8)>; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:02:44 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177478>; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:02:35 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Various problem's with FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:07:45 PST." <23858.824810865@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:02:25 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Feb20.100235pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <23858.824810865@time.cdrom.com>you write: >the US >is constrained to 3 digit area codes with only the possibility of >1-9 for the first digit, 0 or 1 for the second and 0-9 for the >third... Are there any area codes that start with 1? I thought it was [2-9][0-9][0-9] now. At least, my friend in the 423 area code would be particularly surprised to find out that his area code didn't exist. In fact, the people in all of the following places might be kind of surprised. 242 as of 10-1996, Bahamas 250 as of 10-1996, outside of Vancouver area, British Columbia, CANADA, 281 an overlay on 713 area, Texas 320 as of 3-1996, St. Cloud, Minnesota 330 as of 3-1996, Akron, Massillon and Youngstown, Ohio 334 Mobile and Montgomery, Alabama 352 Gainesville and Ocala, Florida 360 Bellingham, Olympia and Vancouver, Washington 423 Chattanooga, Knoxville and Kingsport, Tennessee 441 Bermuda 520 Flagstaff and Tucson, Arizona 540 Fredericksburg, Roanoke and Winchester, Virginia 541 Eugene, Oregon 561 to be used at a future time for West Palm Beach, Florida 562 as of 2-1997, Long Beach, California 573 Cape Girardeau and Jefferson City, Missouri 626 as of 1997(?), an overlay or split of 818 in California 630 as of 9-1996 generally Dupage County west suburbs of Chicago 757 as of 9-1996 southeastern Virginia, Norfolk, Williamsburg 760 as of 3-1997, Palm Springs and the Imperial Valley, California 770 Marietta, Georgia 773 as of 10-1996, Chicago, Illinois (except downtown area is 312) 847 Evanston, Glenview, Skokie, Waukegan, (north suburbs of Chicago), Illinois 860 Hartford, Connecticut 864 Greenville and Spartanburg, South Carolina 941 Avon Park, Fort Myers and Winter Haven, Florida 954 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 970 Fort Collins, Grand Junction and Vail, Colorado 972 an overlay on 214 area, Texas Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 20 10:20:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA25901 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25891 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00495; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:20:34 -0800 To: Bill Fenner cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Various problem's with FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:02:25 PST." <96Feb20.100235pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:20:34 -0800 Message-ID: <493.824840434@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Are there any area codes that start with 1? Good point, yes, I was off-by-one there. > I thought it was [2-9][0-9][0-9] now. At least, my friend in the 423 area > code would be particularly surprised to find out that his area code didn't > exist. In fact, the people in all of the following places might be kind of > surprised. David Greenman already set me straight on this one - they apparently changed this awhile back, possibly while I was out of the country (that's my excuse, anyway, and I'm sticking to it :-). He also said that there was quite a flap about it in his area due to the fact that many PBX systems would do a quick sanity check on a dialed number by performing essentially the same check (modulo the off-by-one) I suggested. Some businesspeople evidently expressed strong displeasure at being assigned the new numbers since they said that these false-blocks in the old PBX equipment were costing them business. > 242 as of 10-1996, Bahamas Cool. Now I know that my new mission in life is to get a 242 area code for my next telephone number later on this year. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 20 18:29:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25986 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from PBINET.com (chumash.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25981 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from bitch.Lamb.net (ulf@ppp-3-43.okld03.pbinet.com [206.170.3.43]) by PBINET.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA11208; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:29:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:31:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann X-Sender: ulf@bitch.Lamb.net To: Charles Henrich cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-Reply-To: <199602200707.CAA09511@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I mean kilobyte/sec. Ulf. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann | email-home: ulf@pbinet.com | FreeBSD ? The coolest OS 1525 Pacific Ave. | email-work: ulf@ncd.com | since computer exists :) Alameda, CA-94501 | phone-home: 510-865-0204 | phone-work: 415-899-7941 On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Charles Henrich wrote: > > Hmmm, 800 kb/sec ? I had 114 kb/sec via a 4 hop/1.5 MBit/sec link. And > > that as 599 other user were logged in. > > > > Do you mean Kbits, or Kbytes? Jordan was speaking of 800 KBytes/sec.. > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu > > http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ > > From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 01:13:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA20224 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from dreamlabs.dreaming.org (dreamlabs.dreaming.org [198.96.119.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA20213 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:13:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mitayai@localhost) by dreamlabs.dreaming.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA06006; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:14:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:14:18 -0500 (EST) From: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe To: invalid opcode cc: Robert Nordier , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and a 286? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, invalid opcode wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:08:42 -0800 (PST) > From: invalid opcode > To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe > Cc: Robert Nordier , Jaykork@aol.com, > questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: FreeBSD and a 286? > > On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: > > > Assuming i had a dozen xt's lying around, some ethernet cars, some arcnet > > cards... could i make them of any use in my network? > > > > I'd assume with the correct padding, and back support, they would make > excellent seats :P > Well, being a short person in a cold clime i find footstool.dreaming.org to be a comfy, warm footrest, paperweight.dreaming.org to be nice keeping my stacks of back issues of the newspaper i user to work for from falling over, and doorstop.dreaming.org, when turned on it's side, keeps that pesky door to the furnance room from slamming shut. :) -Mit ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe at DreamLabs Community Information Network Toronto/Peterborough/Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Web: http://www.dreaming.org/~mitayai IRC: Mitayai Email: mitayai@dreaming.org From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 05:37:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA03586 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.id.net (root@server.id.net [199.125.1.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA03580 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:37:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA03393; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:37:59 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Shady Message-Id: <199602211337.IAA03393@server.id.net> Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! To: ulf@pbinet.com (Ulf Zimmermann) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:37:58 -0500 (EST) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Ulf Zimmermann" at Feb 20, 96 06:31:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Hmmm, 800 kb/sec ? I had 114 kb/sec via a 4 hop/1.5 MBit/sec link. And >>> that as 599 other user were logged in. >> >> Do you mean Kbits, or Kbytes? Jordan was speaking of 800 KBytes/sec.. > > I mean kilobyte/sec. Yeah, it might be a *little* hard to do 800 Kilobytes/sec over a 1.5 Megabit link... Just a tad.. ;) -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 06:08:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA04516 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA04511 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA04320; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:08:23 -0800 To: Robert Shady cc: ulf@pbinet.com (Ulf Zimmermann), henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:37:58 EST." <199602211337.IAA03393@server.id.net> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:08:23 -0800 Message-ID: <4318.824911703@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In any case, it actually *IS* at 100Mbits now. CRL evidently purchased another type of 100Mbit card for their Cisco and now we're frequently peaking over 10Mbits, albeit rarely. It seems that 600 users eat up around 10Mbits and not much more, so it's more a matter of "however fast you can go, we can go" now.. :-) Jordan > >>> Hmmm, 800 kb/sec ? I had 114 kb/sec via a 4 hop/1.5 MBit/sec link. And > >>> that as 599 other user were logged in. > >> > >> Do you mean Kbits, or Kbytes? Jordan was speaking of 800 KBytes/sec.. > > > > I mean kilobyte/sec. > > Yeah, it might be a *little* hard to do 800 Kilobytes/sec over a 1.5 Megabit > link... Just a tad.. ;) > > -- Rob > === > _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ > _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ > _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ > > Innovative Data Services > Serving South-Eastern Michigan > Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services > Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 06:58:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA06396 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from PBINET.com (chumash.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06391 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:58:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from bitch.Lamb.net (ulf@ppp-3-18.okld03.pbinet.com [206.170.3.18]) by PBINET.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA15719; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:58:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:00:57 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann X-Sender: ulf@bitch.Lamb.net To: Robert Shady cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-Reply-To: <199602211337.IAA03393@server.id.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan was speaking of 800 kb/s via the 10 MBit/s ethernet, they had at barrnet. ;-) Ulf. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann | email-home: ulf@pbinet.com | FreeBSD ? The coolest OS 1525 Pacific Ave. | email-work: ulf@ncd.com | since computer exists :) Alameda, CA-94501 | phone-home: 510-865-0204 | phone-work: 415-899-7941 On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Robert Shady wrote: > >>> Hmmm, 800 kb/sec ? I had 114 kb/sec via a 4 hop/1.5 MBit/sec link. And > >>> that as 599 other user were logged in. > >> > >> Do you mean Kbits, or Kbytes? Jordan was speaking of 800 KBytes/sec.. > > > > I mean kilobyte/sec. > > Yeah, it might be a *little* hard to do 800 Kilobytes/sec over a 1.5 Megabit > link... Just a tad.. ;) > > -- Rob > === > _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ > _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ > _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ > > Innovative Data Services > Serving South-Eastern Michigan > Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services > Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net > > From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 07:06:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA07059 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:06:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07050 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA05439; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:05:20 -0800 To: Ulf Zimmermann cc: Robert Shady , henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:00:57 PST." Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:05:20 -0800 Message-ID: <5437.824915120@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I was? That's news to me! ;-) Jordan > Jordan was speaking of 800 kb/s via the 10 MBit/s ethernet, they had at > barrnet. ;-) > > Ulf. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ulf Zimmermann | email-home: ulf@pbinet.com | FreeBSD ? The coolest OS > 1525 Pacific Ave. | email-work: ulf@ncd.com | since computer exists :) > Alameda, CA-94501 | phone-home: 510-865-0204 | phone-work: 415-899-7941 > > On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Robert Shady wrote: > > > >>> Hmmm, 800 kb/sec ? I had 114 kb/sec via a 4 hop/1.5 MBit/sec link. And > > >>> that as 599 other user were logged in. > > >> > > >> Do you mean Kbits, or Kbytes? Jordan was speaking of 800 KBytes/sec.. > > > > > > I mean kilobyte/sec. > > > > Yeah, it might be a *little* hard to do 800 Kilobytes/sec over a 1.5 Megabi t > > link... Just a tad.. ;) > > > > -- Rob > > === > > _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ > > _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ > > _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ > > > > Innovative Data Services > > Serving South-Eastern Michigan > > Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services > > Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net > > > > From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 08:49:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA13051 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA13046 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA18287; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:49:12 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199602211649.LAA18287@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:49:11 -0500 (EST) Cc: rls@server.id.net, ulf@pbinet.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4318.824911703@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 21, 96 06:08:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > In any case, it actually *IS* at 100Mbits now. CRL evidently > purchased another type of 100Mbit card for their Cisco and now we're > frequently peaking over 10Mbits, albeit rarely. > > It seems that 600 users eat up around 10Mbits and not much more, so > it's more a matter of "however fast you can go, we can go" now.. :-) Ooh, we just got our Cisco 7000 w/ 4port 100BT, and one of those is gonna be heading to my desk. I cant wait! (We from that cisco its a fddi jump to our T3 :) I can go REAL fast :) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 11:34:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA22216 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22211 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA01317; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:34:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:34:16 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199602211934.OAA01317@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.chat References: <4gf9v8$1mfi@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.chat you write: >In any case, it actually *IS* at 100Mbits now. CRL evidently >purchased another type of 100Mbit card for their Cisco and now we're >frequently peaking over 10Mbits, albeit rarely. >It seems that 600 users eat up around 10Mbits and not much more, so >it's more a matter of "however fast you can go, we can go" now.. :-) There has to be a bottle neck somewhere. I have a T3 that is peaking out at 8MBit/sec, and I have a full ethernet to that T3. And my retrieval performance is *dismal* Retrieving boot.flp from cdrom.com is ETA at 45 MINUTES! Here is a traceroute back to cdrom.com. 1 michnet2.msu.edu (35.8.2.3) 4.458 ms 2.598 ms 5.284 ms 2 35.125.0.1 (35.125.0.1) 10.828 ms 4.955 ms 5.280 ms 3 cpe2-fddi-1.Chicago.mci.net (192.203.195.5) 5.538 ms 5.952 ms 8.002 ms 4 border1-hssi1-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.24.5) 19.377 ms 145.608 ms 75.289 5 core-fddi-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.2.81) 15.953 ms 11.500 ms 12.831 ms 6 core1-hssi-2.NorthRoyalton.mci.net (204.70.1.94) 19.188 ms 21.190 ms 7 core1-hssi-3.WestOrange.mci.net (204.70.1.102) 30.435 ms 35.809 ms 8 core2-hssi-2.Washington.mci.net (204.70.1.106) 40.038 ms 46.752 ms 9 borderx1-fddi-1.Washington.mci.net (204.70.74.52) 37.878 ms 40.587 ms * 10 mae-east-plusplus.Washington.mci.net (204.70.74.102) 236.610 ms 134.524 11 mae-e-1.e0.crl.com (192.41.177.104) 50.809 ms 64.060 ms 77.006 ms 12 T1E-CRL-SFO-09-S0/0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.30.101) 172.132 ms 185.432 ms 13 F0-CRL-SFO-01-F0/0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.55.1) 144.838 ms 111.282 ms 14 wcarchive.cdrom.com (165.113.58.253) 97.066 ms * * Waitaminute, is that an ethernet I see between MCI and CRL? -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 13:06:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA27776 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:06:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27766 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14509(2)>; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:05:28 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177479>; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:05:21 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:08:23 PST." <4318.824911703@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:05:16 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Feb21.130521pst.177479@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <4318.824911703@time.cdrom.com> Jordan wrote: >we're frequently peaking over 10Mbits, albeit rarely. Hm. fre-quent-ly \'fre^--kwent-le^-\ :at frequent or short intervals rare-ly \'ra(e)r-le^-, 're(e)r-\ adv 1: not often: SELDOM So you're peaking over 10 Mbits at frequent intervals, but not often? =) Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 13:09:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA28047 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:09:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA28038 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15393(2)>; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:08:39 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177479>; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:08:36 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: invalid opcode cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:13:11 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:08:21 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Feb21.130836pst.177479@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message invalid opcode wrote: >wcarchive <-> ether <-> Barrnet / BBN <-> FDDI ring <-> FDDI backbone Who has a FDDI backbone? Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 14:53:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA06656 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:53:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06651 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA01582; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:53:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199602212253.OAA01582@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Charles Henrich cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:34:16 EST." <199602211934.OAA01317@crh.cl.msu.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:53:18 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>In any case, it actually *IS* at 100Mbits now. CRL evidently >>purchased another type of 100Mbit card for their Cisco and now we're >>frequently peaking over 10Mbits, albeit rarely. > >>It seems that 600 users eat up around 10Mbits and not much more, so >>it's more a matter of "however fast you can go, we can go" now.. :-) > >There has to be a bottle neck somewhere. I have a T3 that is peaking out at >8MBit/sec, and I have a full ethernet to that T3. > >And my retrieval performance is *dismal* > >Retrieving boot.flp from cdrom.com is ETA at 45 MINUTES! > >Here is a traceroute back to cdrom.com. > > 1 michnet2.msu.edu (35.8.2.3) 4.458 ms 2.598 ms 5.284 ms > 2 35.125.0.1 (35.125.0.1) 10.828 ms 4.955 ms 5.280 ms > 3 cpe2-fddi-1.Chicago.mci.net (192.203.195.5) 5.538 ms 5.952 ms 8.002 ms > 4 border1-hssi1-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.24.5) 19.377 ms 145.608 ms 75.289 > 5 core-fddi-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.2.81) 15.953 ms 11.500 ms 12.831 ms > 6 core1-hssi-2.NorthRoyalton.mci.net (204.70.1.94) 19.188 ms 21.190 ms > 7 core1-hssi-3.WestOrange.mci.net (204.70.1.102) 30.435 ms 35.809 ms > 8 core2-hssi-2.Washington.mci.net (204.70.1.106) 40.038 ms 46.752 ms > 9 borderx1-fddi-1.Washington.mci.net (204.70.74.52) 37.878 ms 40.587 ms * >10 mae-east-plusplus.Washington.mci.net (204.70.74.102) 236.610 ms 134.524 >11 mae-e-1.e0.crl.com (192.41.177.104) 50.809 ms 64.060 ms 77.006 ms >12 T1E-CRL-SFO-09-S0/0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.30.101) 172.132 ms 185.432 ms >13 F0-CRL-SFO-01-F0/0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.55.1) 144.838 ms 111.282 ms >14 wcarchive.cdrom.com (165.113.58.253) 97.066 ms * * > >Waitaminute, is that an ethernet I see between MCI and CRL? This is the second report we've gotten about this, and the last one had a nearly identical traceroute - MCI through mae-east. The last one I analyzed showed that the problem was the MCI -> MAE-east hop, not the MAE-east -> CRL hop. I don't know what to say about this other than it appears to me to be an MCI problem. CRL has future plans to upgrade their connection to MAE-east to DS3 (it is currently 10Mbits), but in this case it appears that it's not going to matter. :-( CRL peers with MCI at the Pacbell NAP (DS3), too, and in fact that is how the traffic gets back to you: traceroute to michnet2.msu.edu (35.8.2.3), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 F0-CRL-SFO-01-F0/0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.58.1) 0.971 ms 0.727 ms 1.063 ms 2 pb.mci.net (198.32.128.12) 37.565 ms 95.140 ms 8.486 ms 3 borderx1-hssi3-0.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.158.105) 4.853 ms 3.142 ms 4.223 ms 4 core2-fddi-0.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.158.49) 5.521 ms 6.114 ms 8.334 ms 5 core1-hssi-2.Sacramento.mci.net (204.70.1.146) 12.456 ms 10.910 ms 9.344 ms 6 core1-hssi-2.WillowSprings.mci.net (204.70.1.174) 262.131 ms 223.868 ms * 7 core-hssi-3.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.1.85) 112.552 ms 172.846 ms * 8 border1-fddi-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.2.82) 143.960 ms 106.760 ms * 9 * * * 10 * merit-michnet-ds3.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.24.6) 180.087 ms 147.491 ms 11 fdd0.michnet1.mich.net (192.203.195.4) 135.588 ms 147.975 ms 145.068 ms 12 hssi0.msu2.mich.net (35.125.0.2) 145.792 ms * * It seems pretty clear to me by the above that the problem is with MCI, starting with the Sacremento->WillowSprings hop. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 15:43:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA10369 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10363 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:43:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02241; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:41:24 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199602212341.SAA02241@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:41:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602212253.OAA01582@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Feb 21, 96 02:53:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >Waitaminute, is that an ethernet I see between MCI and CRL? > > This is the second report we've gotten about this, and the last one had a > nearly identical traceroute - MCI through mae-east. The last one I analyzed > showed that the problem was the MCI -> MAE-east hop, not the MAE-east -> CRL > hop. I don't know what to say about this other than it appears to me to be an > MCI problem. CRL has future plans to upgrade their connection to MAE-east to >DS3 (it is currently 10Mbits), but in this case it appears that it's not going >to matter. :-( Can one send in a problem report to MCI to get the routing from MCI to CRL to go through the PacBell NAP? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 15:56:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA11115 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11103 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA01781; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:55:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199602212355.PAA01781@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Charles Henrich cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:41:24 EST." <199602212341.SAA02241@crh.cl.msu.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:55:43 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> >Waitaminute, is that an ethernet I see between MCI and CRL? >> >> This is the second report we've gotten about this, and the last one had a >> nearly identical traceroute - MCI through mae-east. The last one I analyzed >> showed that the problem was the MCI -> MAE-east hop, not the MAE-east -> CRL >> hop. I don't know what to say about this other than it appears to me to be an >> MCI problem. CRL has future plans to upgrade their connection to MAE-east to >>DS3 (it is currently 10Mbits), but in this case it appears that it's not going >>to matter. :-( > >Can one send in a problem report to MCI to get the routing from MCI to CRL to >go through the PacBell NAP? You can if you're an MCI customer. I sent in a problem report to CRL about 30 minutes ago about the this, but other than analyze it and say "yeah, it's a problem", they're not likely going to be able to do much about it. CRL already sets a high cost on the MAE-east connection - which is why the outbound traffic prefers the PB-nap. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 15:56:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA11261 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11256 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02379; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:55:48 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199602212355.SAA02379@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:55:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602212253.OAA01582@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Feb 21, 96 02:53:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > It seems pretty clear to me by the above that the problem is with MCI, > starting with the Sacremento->WillowSprings hop. Looks like MCI has screwed things up. Guess Bill the Gates is in charge now. I have a part ownership in a small ISP in florida, and the traceroute to there (which is attached via sprintnet) goes all the way out to mae-east, then onto Alternet (?) then nowhere. Cant get to the endpoint. It looks like the MCI router in Chicago is all confused. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 21 16:43:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA14818 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14813 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:43:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15365(11)>; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:42:45 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177479>; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:42:38 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:53:18 PST." <199602212253.OAA01582@Root.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:42:32 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Feb21.164238pst.177479@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199602212253.OAA01582@Root.COM> davidg wrote: > It seems pretty clear to me by the above that the problem is with MCI, >starting with the Sacremento->WillowSprings hop. Actually, I heard somewhere (ahem) that either San Francisco<>Sacramento or Sacramento<>Willow Springs is the most congested link on MCINet. Which is an impressive feat, given that most of MCI is extremely congested. They claim to be upgrading to OC3, which will give a little relief but not for long. Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 22 03:52:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA13178 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 03:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA13167 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 03:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA11531; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 03:51:41 -0800 To: Bill Fenner cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:05:16 PST." <96Feb21.130521pst.177479@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 03:51:41 -0800 Message-ID: <11529.824989901@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Uh... Hey, I'm an American - you expect me to speak english or something? :-) Jordan > In message <4318.824911703@time.cdrom.com> Jordan wrote: > >we're frequently peaking over 10Mbits, albeit rarely. > > Hm. > > fre-quent-ly \'fre^--kwent-le^-\ > :at frequent or short intervals > > rare-ly \'ra(e)r-le^-, 're(e)r-\ adv > 1: not often: SELDOM > > So you're peaking over 10 Mbits at frequent intervals, but not often? =) > > Bill > From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 22 05:38:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA18477 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.id.net (root@server.id.net [199.125.1.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA18470 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:38:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA11292; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:37:57 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Shady Message-Id: <199602221337.IAA11292@server.id.net> Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:37:57 -0500 (EST) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602212253.OAA01582@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Feb 21, 96 02:53:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>In any case, it actually *IS* at 100Mbits now. CRL evidently >>>purchased another type of 100Mbit card for their Cisco and now we're >>>frequently peaking over 10Mbits, albeit rarely. >> >>>It seems that 600 users eat up around 10Mbits and not much more, so >>>it's more a matter of "however fast you can go, we can go" now.. :-) >> >>There has to be a bottle neck somewhere. I have a T3 that is peaking out at >>8MBit/sec, and I have a full ethernet to that T3. >> >>And my retrieval performance is *dismal* >> >>Retrieving boot.flp from cdrom.com is ETA at 45 MINUTES! >> >>Here is a traceroute back to cdrom.com. ... >>Waitaminute, is that an ethernet I see between MCI and CRL? > > This is the second report we've gotten about this, and the last one had a > nearly identical traceroute - MCI through mae-east. The last one I analyzed > showed that the problem was the MCI -> MAE-east hop, not the MAE-east -> CRL > hop. I don't know what to say about this other than it appears to me to be an > MCI problem. CRL has future plans to upgrade their connection to MAE-east to > DS3 (it is currently 10Mbits), but in this case it appears that it's not going > to matter. :-( > CRL peers with MCI at the Pacbell NAP (DS3), too, and in fact that is > how the traffic gets back to you: ... > It seems pretty clear to me by the above that the problem is with MCI, > starting with the Sacremento->WillowSprings hop. We've already contacted MCI about this several times, the problem actually started about 8 months ago at MCI's Chicago NAP. MCI says they are aware of the problem, and they "have ordered another DS3 for that location". Of course, this was the answer they gave 8 months ago as well... It has gotten significantly worse in the recent weeks.. -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 22 07:43:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA26257 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:43:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA26252 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA01888; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:42:40 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199602221542.KAA01888@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! To: rls@server.id.net (Robert Shady) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:42:40 -0500 (EST) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602221337.IAA11292@server.id.net> from "Robert Shady" at Feb 22, 96 08:37:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > We've already contacted MCI about this several times, the problem actually > started about 8 months ago at MCI's Chicago NAP. MCI says they are aware > of the problem, and they "have ordered another DS3 for that location". Of > course, this was the answer they gave 8 months ago as well... It has gotten > significantly worse in the recent weeks.. Why dont they just update the routing tables to send the packets to WillowSprings instead of to NorthRoyalton ? If you look at the traceroute a couple messages ago, that should solve the problem. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 22 09:24:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02713 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from dtr.com ([204.119.17.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02541 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:22:46 -0800 (PST) From: bmk@dtr.com Received: (from bmk@localhost) by dtr.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA17238 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:19:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199602221719.JAA17238@dtr.com> Subject: Secondary DNS: can someone help? To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:19:20 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: bmk@dtr.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [This isn't specifically applicable to FreeBSD, so I'm posting it to -chat] In investigating my recent mail troubles, I've found that the system that's been providing secondary DNS is down and will be for the forseeable future. Is anyone out there (with a well-connected host) willing to provide secondary DNS? I just have an MX for the domain (single host, two users) and pointers to low-hit-rate web and ftp servers. [please respond directly, I don't subscribe to -chat] From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 22 09:31:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA03134 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA03126 for freebsd-chat; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:31:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199602221731.JAA03126@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: march IETF metting To: freebsd-chat Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:31:47 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk anyone have a list of attendees fo the IETF starting the first week of march? -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 22 12:05:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13236 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from dtr.com (pdx33.transport.com [204.119.17.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13174 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:04:22 -0800 (PST) From: bmk@dtr.com Received: (from bmk@localhost) by dtr.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA17256; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:20:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199602221720.JAA17256@dtr.com> Subject: Secondary DNS: can anyone help? To: bmk@dtr.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:20:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: brantk@atlas.com In-Reply-To: from "bmk@dtr.com" at Feb 22, 96 09:19:20 am Reply-To: bmk@dtr.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > [This isn't specifically applicable to FreeBSD, so I'm posting it to > -chat] > In investigating my recent mail troubles, I've found that the system > that's been providing secondary DNS is down and will be for the > forseeable future. > Is anyone out there (with a well-connected host) willing to provide > secondary DNS? I just have an MX for the domain (single host, two > users) and pointers to low-hit-rate web and ftp servers. > [please respond directly, I don't subscribe to -chat] Oh, and due to the aforementioned mail problems, please reply to brantk@atlas.com. [reply-to set] From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 22 16:29:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA02929 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02921 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA01713 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:29:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199602230029.QAA01713@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: response from CRL From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:29:26 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just got the attached message. It doesn't seemed to have help much, however... [wcarchive:davidg] ttcp -p9 -n32 -t michnet2.msu.edu ttcp-t: buflen=8192, nbuf=32, align=16384/+0, port=9 tcp -> michnet2.msu.edu ttcp-t: socket ttcp-t: connect ttcp-t: 262144 bytes in 60.63 real seconds = 4.22 KB/sec +++ ttcp-t: 32 I/O calls, msec/call = 1940.28, calls/sec = 0.53 ttcp-t: 0.0user 0.0sys 1:00real 0% 16i+104d 46maxrss 0+2pf 283+1csw -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: support@crl.com Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA00822 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:14:13 -0800 Received: from localhost.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA00966 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:10:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199602221710.AA00966@mail.crl.com> To: davidg@root.com Reply-To: noc@crl.com From: Crl Customer Support Subject: Re: reports of poor performance from MCI->CRL (SupportID: TID-69308) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:17:03 PST." <199602212317.PAA01659@Root.COM> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:10:08 -0800 We found out that some of our BGP peering sessions were not advertising the correct routes back into CRL to MCI. This should be corrected by now. David Greenman recently wrote: > We've gotten three of these in the past 1.5 days. It looks like congestion >within MCI's network, but our customers didn't have the problem when wcarchive >was at BBN (an MCI customer). > The traceroute to these customers show that the route is asymetric, >prefering MAE-east coming in and PB-nap going out. I don't know which of the >paths is the lossy one, but MAE-east was involved in all of the complaints. > >-DG > >David Greenman >Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > >------- Forwarded Message > >>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:34:16 -0500 >>From: Charles Henrich >>Message-Id: <199602211934.OAA01317@crh.cl.msu.edu> >>To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org >>Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! >>Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.chat >>References: <4gf9v8$1mfi@msunews.cl.msu.edu> >>X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) >>Resent-To: davidg@freebsd.org >>Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:42:17 -0800 >>Resent-Message-ID: <9765.824942537@time.cdrom.com> >>Resent-From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > >In lists.freebsd.chat you write: > >>In any case, it actually *IS* at 100Mbits now. CRL evidently >>purchased another type of 100Mbit card for their Cisco and now we're >>frequently peaking over 10Mbits, albeit rarely. > >>It seems that 600 users eat up around 10Mbits and not much more, so >>it's more a matter of "however fast you can go, we can go" now.. :-) > >There has to be a bottle neck somewhere. I have a T3 that is peaking out at >8MBit/sec, and I have a full ethernet to that T3. > >And my retrieval performance is *dismal* > >Retrieving boot.flp (1.2MB) from cdrom.com is ETA at 45 MINUTES! > >Here is a traceroute back to cdrom.com. > > 1 michnet2.msu.edu (35.8.2.3) 4.458 ms 2.598 ms 5.284 ms > 2 35.125.0.1 (35.125.0.1) 10.828 ms 4.955 ms 5.280 ms > 3 cpe2-fddi-1.Chicago.mci.net (192.203.195.5) 5.538 ms 5.952 ms 8.002 ms > 4 border1-hssi1-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.24.5) 19.377 ms 145.608 ms 75.28 >9 > 5 core-fddi-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.2.81) 15.953 ms 11.500 ms 12.831 ms > 6 core1-hssi-2.NorthRoyalton.mci.net (204.70.1.94) 19.188 ms 21.190 ms > 7 core1-hssi-3.WestOrange.mci.net (204.70.1.102) 30.435 ms 35.809 ms > 8 core2-hssi-2.Washington.mci.net (204.70.1.106) 40.038 ms 46.752 ms > 9 borderx1-fddi-1.Washington.mci.net (204.70.74.52) 37.878 ms 40.587 ms * >10 mae-east-plusplus.Washington.mci.net (204.70.74.102) 236.610 ms 134.524 >11 mae-e-1.e0.crl.com (192.41.177.104) 50.809 ms 64.060 ms 77.006 ms >12 T1E-CRL-SFO-09-S0/0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.30.101) 172.132 ms 185.432 ms >13 F0-CRL-SFO-01-F0/0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.55.1) 144.838 ms 111.282 ms >14 wcarchive.cdrom.com (165.113.58.253) 97.066 ms * * > >Waitaminute, is that an ethernet I see between MCI and CRL? > >- -Crh >- -- > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu > > http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ > >------- End of Forwarded Message > CRL Customer Support support@crl.com One Kearny St. San Francisco, Ca 94108 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- _ ._ . _ . _ . / ` |_) | / ` ,-|- _ ._._. _ . (_` ._ ._ _ . -|- \_, | \ |__ \_, \_/ > | (_) | | | (-' |` ._) \_/ |_) |_) (_) |` | | | ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 22 19:58:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA06238 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06233 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA04643; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:58:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:58:28 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199602230358.WAA04643@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: davidg@root.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: response from CRL Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.chat References: <4gja43$1boo@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.chat you write: > I just got the attached message. It doesn't seemed to have help much, >however... Well at least my packets are taking the correct route these days: 1 michnet2.msu.edu (35.8.2.3) 2.437 ms 3.133 ms 2.531 ms 2 35.125.0.1 (35.125.0.1) 5.114 ms 5.875 ms 5.215 ms 3 cpe2-fddi-1.Chicago.mci.net (192.203.195.5) 6.191 ms 5.922 ms 5.283 ms 4 border1-hssi1-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.24.5) 10.629 ms 10.495 ms 10.881 5 core-fddi-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.2.81) 11.404 ms 11.480 ms 11.029 ms 6 core1-hssi-3.WillowSprings.mci.net (204.70.1.86) 74.990 ms 206.048 ms 7 core1-hssi-4.Sacramento.mci.net (204.70.1.173) 60.252 ms 58.656 ms 8 core2-hssi-3.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.1.145) 61.307 ms 63.468 ms 9 borderx1-fddi-1.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.158.52) 66.223 ms 63.280 ms 10 pacbell-nap-atm.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.158.106) 66.243 ms 66.155 ms 11 * * pb-nap.crl.net (198.32.128.20) 214.014 ms 12 * wcarchive.cdrom.com (165.113.58.253) 66.411 ms 69.494 ms But your right, ftp performance is still lousy. I blame the ATM. :( -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 22 20:08:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA06952 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA06943 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA00212; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:08:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199602230408.UAA00212@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: response from CRL In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:58:28 EST." <199602230358.WAA04643@crh.cl.msu.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:08:33 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >In lists.freebsd.chat you write: > >> I just got the attached message. It doesn't seemed to have help much, >>however... > >Well at least my packets are taking the correct route these days: > > 1 michnet2.msu.edu (35.8.2.3) 2.437 ms 3.133 ms 2.531 ms > 2 35.125.0.1 (35.125.0.1) 5.114 ms 5.875 ms 5.215 ms > 3 cpe2-fddi-1.Chicago.mci.net (192.203.195.5) 6.191 ms 5.922 ms 5.283 ms > 4 border1-hssi1-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.24.5) 10.629 ms 10.495 ms 10.881 > 5 core-fddi-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.2.81) 11.404 ms 11.480 ms 11.029 ms > 6 core1-hssi-3.WillowSprings.mci.net (204.70.1.86) 74.990 ms 206.048 ms > 7 core1-hssi-4.Sacramento.mci.net (204.70.1.173) 60.252 ms 58.656 ms > 8 core2-hssi-3.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.1.145) 61.307 ms 63.468 ms > 9 borderx1-fddi-1.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.158.52) 66.223 ms 63.280 ms >10 pacbell-nap-atm.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.158.106) 66.243 ms 66.155 ms >11 * * pb-nap.crl.net (198.32.128.20) 214.014 ms >12 * wcarchive.cdrom.com (165.113.58.253) 66.411 ms 69.494 ms > >But your right, ftp performance is still lousy. I blame the ATM. :( Hmmm. [wcarchive:davidg] traceroute smart1.svi.org traceroute to smart1.svi.org (192.216.191.10), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 F0-CRL-SFO-01-F0/0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.58.1) 1.705 ms 0.911 ms 1.501 ms 2 pb.mci.net (198.32.128.12) 2.269 ms 2.082 ms 2.196 ms 3 borderx1-hssi3-0.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.158.105) 24.898 ms 21.461 ms 7.010 ms 4 barrnet.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.158.102) 8.682 ms 7.184 ms 6.291 ms 5 su-a.bbnplanet.net (192.31.48.200) 183.231 ms * 5.063 ms 6 su-c.bbnplanet.net (192.31.48.3) 11.953 ms 7.648 ms 5.925 ms 7 smart1.svi.org (192.216.191.10) 11.504 ms 7.822 ms 7.447 ms ("smart1" is a machine that used to be sitting next to wcarchive at Stanford) The return path has the "pacbell-nap-atm..." in it just as you have above, however: [wcarchive:davidg] ttcp -p9 -n32 -t smart1.svi.org ttcp-t: buflen=8192, nbuf=32, align=16384/+0, port=9 tcp -> smart1.svi.org ttcp-t: socket ttcp-t: connect ttcp-t: 262144 bytes in 0.55 real seconds = 464.12 KB/sec +++ ttcp-t: 32 I/O calls, msec/call = 17.65, calls/sec = 58.01 ...so I don't think it's the ATM. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 22 20:12:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA07281 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA07276 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA04724; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:11:02 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199602230411.XAA04724@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: response from CRL To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:11:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602230408.UAA00212@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Feb 22, 96 08:08:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > The return path has the "pacbell-nap-atm..." in it just as you have above, > however: > > [wcarchive:davidg] ttcp -p9 -n32 -t smart1.svi.org > ttcp-t: buflen=8192, nbuf=32, align=16384/+0, port=9 tcp -> smart1.svi.org > ttcp-t: socket > ttcp-t: connect > ttcp-t: 262144 bytes in 0.55 real seconds = 464.12 KB/sec +++ > ttcp-t: 32 I/O calls, msec/call = 17.65, calls/sec = 58.01 > > ...so I don't think it's the ATM. Where might I find ttcp so I can play that game too? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 22 22:04:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA13785 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA13780 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA00608; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:04:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199602230604.WAA00608@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: response from CRL In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:11:02 EST." <199602230411.XAA04724@crh.cl.msu.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:04:43 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> The return path has the "pacbell-nap-atm..." in it just as you have above, >> however: >> >> [wcarchive:davidg] ttcp -p9 -n32 -t smart1.svi.org >> ttcp-t: buflen=8192, nbuf=32, align=16384/+0, port=9 tcp -> smart1.svi.org >> ttcp-t: socket >> ttcp-t: connect >> ttcp-t: 262144 bytes in 0.55 real seconds = 464.12 KB/sec +++ >> ttcp-t: 32 I/O calls, msec/call = 17.65, calls/sec = 58.01 >> >> ...so I don't think it's the ATM. > >Where might I find ttcp so I can play that game too? It should be in our ports collection. I'm using an older version, however, so the options might be a little different. For one thing, the meaning of the "-s" option is reversed in the newer version. Beware that some netadmins might consider it more than rude to use some of their bandwidth for your private "Internet performance testing" games. :-) I've been lucky so far... :-) -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Feb 22 23:38:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA17356 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:38:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA17351 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:38:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA05802; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:38:08 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199602230738.CAA05802@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: response from CRL To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:38:08 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602230604.WAA00608@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Feb 22, 96 10:04:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > It should be in our ports collection. I'm using an older version, however, > so the options might be a little different. For one thing, the meaning of > the "-s" option is reversed in the newer version. > Beware that some netadmins might consider it more than rude to use some of > their bandwidth for your private "Internet performance testing" games. :-) > I've been lucky so far... :-) I prefer to think of it as internet problem debugging. :) Obviously as we are T3 or better from my site to cdrom.com, I should be able to get more than 300 bytes/sec! -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 23 10:56:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA29848 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29843 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:56:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14996(5)>; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:55:28 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177479>; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:55:18 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Woah! cdrom.com! In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:42:40 PST." <199602221542.KAA01888@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:55:05 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Feb23.105518pst.177479@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199602221542.KAA01888@crh.cl.msu.edu>you write: >Why dont they just update the routing tables to send the packets to >WillowSprings instead of to NorthRoyalton ? If you look at the traceroute >a couple messages ago, that should solve the problem. I doubt it; the WillowSprings->Sacramento->SanFrancisco path is among the most heavily overloaded. Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Feb 23 14:12:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA16573 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:12:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16531 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:12:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from vivid.autometric.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQaefg08250; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from jester by vivid.autometric.com via ESMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/920502.SGI) for <@vivid.autometric.com:freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> id RAA19532; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:09:41 -0500 Received: by jester (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org id RAA01711; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:09:40 -0500 From: "Brian J. Sletten" Message-Id: <9602231709.ZM1709@jester.autometric.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:09:39 -0500 Reply-To: bsletten@vivid.autometric.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Regular Expression Libraries Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of any regular expression libraries that are freely available besides rx and the GNU regex offerings? Or, does anyone know for sure if distributing a GNU library as a shared object satisfies the GNU library license? I've been told that rms has said that it does, but I'd really like to read it somewhere for myself. Thanks. Brian -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Brian J. Sletten 2905 Wickersham Way, #202 (703) 658-4178 (O) bsletten@autometric.com Falls Church, VA 22042 (703) 207-9377 (H) http://www.acm.org/~brians/homepage.html There's always free cheese in a mousetrap. -- Anonymous -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 24 05:08:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA28504 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 05:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA28336 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 05:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id OAA15178 ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:07:33 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id OAA21028 ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:07:32 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id NAA23628; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:10:00 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602241210.NAA23628@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Regular Expression Libraries To: bsletten@vivid.autometric.com Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:09:59 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9602231709.ZM1709@jester.autometric.com> from "Brian J. Sletten" at "Feb 23, 96 05:09:39 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1688 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL7 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Brian J. Sletten said: > Does anyone know of any regular expression libraries that are freely > available besides rx and the GNU regex offerings? Yes, there is Henri Spencer's library which is the base of our current regex code in libc. You can find it in several alt.sources or comp.sources.unix archives. 18 Mar 1994 45.0 Ko /sources/prog/lib/regex.shar.gz > Or, does anyone know for sure if distributing a GNU library as a shared > object satisfies the GNU library license? I've been told that rms has > said that it does, but I'd really like to read it somewhere for myself. Read the LGPL. I can't comment on this myself. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Tue Feb 20 01:16:51 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 24 07:56:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA13229 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 07:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from jhome.DIALix.COM (root@jhome.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13216 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 07:56:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.DIALix.oz.au (peter@localhost.DIALix.oz.au [127.0.0.1]) by jhome.DIALix.COM (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA02613 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:56:03 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: <199602241556.XAA02613@jhome.DIALix.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: jhome.DIALix.COM: Host peter@localhost.DIALix.oz.au [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Birthday card.. :-) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:56:02 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It was my birthday yesterday, and I'm still having a chuckle at the card I got from my sister :- For your birthday, I fed all the facts about you into a computer and asked if you're really as good and wholesome and pure as you seem. And here's what I found out..... Computers can laugh! Cheers, -Peter From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 24 08:50:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA23023 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 08:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22981 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 08:50:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id RAA21273; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:50:30 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id RAA27275; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:50:30 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id RAA10304; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:37:25 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602241637.RAA10304@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Birthday card.. :-) To: peter@jhome.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:37:24 +0100 (MET) Cc: chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602241556.XAA02613@jhome.DIALix.COM> from "Peter Wemm" at Feb 24, 96 11:56:02 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Peter Wemm wrote: > > It was my birthday yesterday, and I'm still having a chuckle at the card I got > from my sister :- > Computers can laugh! You must have a lovely sister. :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 24 17:27:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA03328 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA03320 for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:27:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199602250127.RAA03320@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: buying IP addresses To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:27:18 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk new draft rfc is out proposing selling IP addresses memtions that there is dscussion of selling rouing table entries as well (BGP) new world? ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-cidrd-mktbased-alloc-00.txt From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 24 22:37:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16385 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [205.218.122.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16379 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA07204; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 00:37:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 00:37:41 -0600 (CST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" X-Sender: winter@sasami To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: buying IP addresses In-Reply-To: <199602250127.RAA03320@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 24 Feb 1996, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > new draft rfc is out proposing selling IP addresses > memtions that there is dscussion of selling rouing table > entries as well (BGP) > > new world? > > ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-cidrd-mktbased-alloc-00.txt Does anyone remember all the fuss about CIX a while ago? Since address allocation for 3rd tier customers is usually out of their providers address space, they are, in a sense, being "charged for". Since the large backbone providers SHOULD be covering their costs by charging their customers, routing entries are, in a sense, being "charged for". Now, if you charge for routing entries, will EVERYONE who is carring a full BGP routing table get a bit of the take? Seems only fair. :) Since I'm reading the draft, I'd like to quote and comment on a few things. (from section on, second paragraph) Assignees do not pay for the numbers they receive. The InterNIC itself is subsidized by the NSF. This panel is supposed to propose methods of making the InterNIC self-supporting. I propose to remove one of the functions of the InterNIC registration services to a free market, leaving a much restricted function that will be less costly to run. --- Now wait a minute. The entire goal of this draft (or so it seems at this point) is to make the "NSF subsidized InterNIC" self-supporting. I thought their NSF money ran out and they started charging for domain registration. What happened to all that cash they were supposed to rake in? :) ... Ok, having read the draft, I think I need to read it again. :) A very interesting idea, this money as incentive for optomizing address space. I think they have it all wrong though. They need to charge MORE for routing small address space and LESS for large. I think I'm going to mail a request to the InterNIC for an /18 now. :) Have a good one. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | Have you rewired your dmarc today? YOU WILL! |