From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 2 22:34:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA23409 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (slcmodem1-p2-3.intele.net [206.29.206.118]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA23399 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA02447; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:35:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:35:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199604030635.XAA02447@obie.softweyr.com> From: wes@intele.net To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD'ers unite! Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'll be at Interop tomorrow (Wednesday) or Thursday if the weather is bad tomorrow. (I'm flying in with a friend in his plane, and we're *not* playing dodgeball with thunder bumpers). Any other FreeBSDers that are at the show, group around the Century Software booth at 4:00 pm and let's kick off an informal BOF. If there's anything more formal being planned either of those days, let me know, OK? -- Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... wes@intele.net | Jimmy Buffett From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 02:27:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA00661 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA00638 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de ([134.130.90.6]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA25204 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 01:33:55 -0800 Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA27740; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:28:20 +0200 From: Thomas Gellekum Message-Id: <199604030928.LAA27740@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: Cannot boot after install To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:28:19 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <28613.828515956@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Apr 2, 96 11:19:16 pm" Organization: Institut f. Hochfrequenztechnik, RWTH Aachen X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > The reference to FreeBSD's configuration routines (as an example of > > what other OSes should do!) will appear in the April 8 InfoWorld. It'll be > > Gosh, that's my birthday. Subtle. :-) > P.S. Yeah yeah, I'll be 33. Don't remind me! :-) First entry for /usr/share/calendar/calendar.freebsd: 04/08 Jordan K. Hubbard born, 1963 Any more important dates? tg From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 06:03:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA18912 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 06:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18839 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 06:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA13347 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:44:32 +0200 Message-Id: <199604031244.OAA13347@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: Advice/Recommendation needed To: cat@ghost.uunet.ca (Cat Okita) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 96 15:59:55 MET DST From: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: ; from "Cat Okita" at Apr 3, 96 8:39 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > > I thought Canada still was in America. It's just the strange > > viewpoint of the inhabitants of the USA that America stops at its > > borders. Why the Canadians should agree with this viewpoint is beyond > > me. > > Canada is in America as much as Switzerland or France is in Germay. Canada is in America as much as Switzerland or France are in Europe. > Canada is in *North* America, but that's a slightly different kettle > of fish...(talbot, of course :>) Switzerland and France are in *West* Europe, but that's just a change of compass direction. Why allow the United States to claim to be all of America? Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 07:00:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA27511 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 07:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ghost.uunet.ca (ghost.uunet.ca [142.77.1.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27505 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 07:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by ghost.uunet.ca id <59602-1>; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:40:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:40:08 -0500 From: Cat Okita To: Greg Lehey cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advice/Recommendation needed In-Reply-To: <199604031244.OAA13343@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Canada is in America as much as Switzerland or France is in Germay. > > Canada is in America as much as Switzerland or France are in Europe. America (at least over here) typically refers to the United States of America. The two continents, North and South America are known as the 'Americas'. > Switzerland and France are in *West* Europe, but that's just a change > of compass direction. Urm...never realized that 'West Europe' was the name of a continent :> > Why allow the United States to claim to be all of America? We don't allow the United States of America to claim that they're all of *North* (or South for that matter) America. We do however do our absolute best to ensure that people *don't* associate Canada with 'America'. 'America' is definately slang for the USA, and I'd rather leave that name and reputation to them, than try and spend years cleaning it up :> (I've found travelling abroad that Canadians get a *much* better reception than 'Americans' - I've also found travelling that I can understand why! Some of my best friends are from the US, but the sterotype of the American tourist is unfortunately accurate "IF I YELL THEY'LL UNDERSTAND ME THEY'RE JUST ALL STUPID HERE SO I HAVE TO YELL") ...and now that I've packed a good load of flame-bait into one message *wry grin*...it's time to go... cheers! Cat From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 07:16:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA29176 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 07:16:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA29135 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 07:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from crissy.gemis.ge.com ([3.29.7.57]) by ns.ge.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00876; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:16:15 -0500 Received: from salem.ge.com (carsdb.salem.ge.com [3.29.7.15]) by crissy.gemis.ge.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA27741; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:16:11 -0500 Received: from combs.salem.ge.com by salem.ge.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08775; Wed, 3 Apr 96 10:16:09 EST Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by combs.salem.ge.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA02486; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:16:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:16:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Stephen F. Combs" Reply-To: CombsSF@salem.ge.com To: Cat Okita Cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advice/Recommendation needed In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It's amazing. In '67 (at Expo67 in Montreal(sp?)) I was hacked unmercifully for calling myself an 'American' ('What? Canada isn't part of America??????'). In '89 (in Ottawa) everyone called me an American and they were Canadians. I had it beat into me (not literally) that Canadians WERE Americans in '67, but amazingly enough, Canada must have broken off and formed a seperate continent!;-> In their defense, I've seen the same 'Ugly American' attitude in my travels thru Europe and the Far East. I try very hard not to do that kind of thing. 'Eh? ---- Stephen F. Combs Internet: CombsSF@Salem.GE.COM GE DS&TC Voice: 540.387.8828 Network Services Home: CombsSF-Home@Salem.GE.COM 1501 Roanoke Blvd FAX: 540.387.7106 Salem, VA 24153 LapTop: CombsSF-Mobile@Salem.GE.COM On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Cat Okita wrote: > Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:40:08 -0500 > From: Cat Okita > To: Greg Lehey > Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Advice/Recommendation needed > > On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > Canada is in America as much as Switzerland or France is in Germay. > > > > Canada is in America as much as Switzerland or France are in Europe. > > America (at least over here) typically refers to the United States of > America. The two continents, North and South America are known as the > 'Americas'. > > > Switzerland and France are in *West* Europe, but that's just a change > > of compass direction. > > Urm...never realized that 'West Europe' was the name of a continent :> > > > Why allow the United States to claim to be all of America? > > We don't allow the United States of America to claim that they're all > of *North* (or South for that matter) America. > > We do however do our absolute best to ensure that people *don't* associate > Canada with 'America'. > > 'America' is definately slang for the USA, and I'd rather leave that name and > reputation to them, than try and spend years cleaning it up :> > > (I've found travelling abroad that Canadians get a *much* better reception > than 'Americans' - I've also found travelling that I can understand why! Some > of my best friends are from the US, but the sterotype of the American tourist > is unfortunately accurate "IF I YELL THEY'LL UNDERSTAND ME THEY'RE JUST ALL > STUPID HERE SO I HAVE TO YELL") > > ...and now that I've packed a good load of flame-bait into one message > *wry grin*...it's time to go... > > cheers! > Cat > From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 08:57:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA07439 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 08:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07421 Wed, 3 Apr 1996 08:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Wed, 3 Apr 96 11:56:55 -0500 Received: from compound (fergus-26.dialup.cfa.org) by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Wed, 3 Apr 96 11:56:51 EST Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound (8.6.12/8.6.112) id KAA28168; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:59:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:59:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199604031659.KAA28168@compound> From: Tony Kimball To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: America the Beautiful Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Canada is in America as much as Switzerland or France is in Germay. *Brazil* is in America. Canada is in America as much as Poland is in Europe. Poland is not a part of the European Union, but is firmly situated on its the Continet of Europe. If you disagree, it is only because we speak different dialects of English. Similarly, the Mexican reference to US denizens as 'Norte Americanos' is silly, in a naive translation to Network English, the dialect of most English-speaking readers of this missive. The more interesting question to me personally is how long *Minnesota* will remain a part of the Union. (Not long I hope. Better a dead lion than a dead jackal -- or slave, eh? I hope for a new union with Dakota, Manitoba, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Montana, Wyoming and Idaho, in my lifetime.) (Apposite redirections applied. Through the Dragus Ex Machina of BCC;-) Oh, and ob FBSD: Might Walnut Creek seceed? Then FBSD could issue its own money, send ambassadors to Finland. Hey, why not issue FBSD ecash before that? From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 09:11:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08219 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08214 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA14307; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:10:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:10:58 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199604031710.KAA14307@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Brett Glass" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cannot boot after install In-Reply-To: <28613.828515956@time.cdrom.com> References: <9603018283.AA828379330@ccgate.infoworld.com> <28613.828515956@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ Moved to chat ] > > The reference to FreeBSD's configuration routines (as an example of > > what other OSes should do!) will appear in the April 8 InfoWorld. It'll be > > Gosh, that's my birthday. Intentional? :-) > ... > > P.S. Yeah yeah, I'll be 33. Don't remind me! :-) The funny thing is that Jordan was 21 a couple years ago when he started FreeBSD, but the stress and strain caused him to age prematurely. :) Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 10:16:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12467 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12462 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA19571; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:12:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199604031812.LAA19571@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: America the Beautiful To: alk@Think.COM (Tony Kimball) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:12:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199604031659.KAA28168@compound> from "Tony Kimball" at Apr 3, 96 10:59:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Oh, and ob FBSD: Might Walnut Creek seceed? Then FBSD could issue its > own money, send ambassadors to Finland. Hey, why not issue FBSD ecash > before that? Not to mention export crypto code... 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 12:21:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA19510 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19485 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA03927; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:24:16 +0300 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:24:16 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: Tony Kimball cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: America the Beautiful In-Reply-To: <199604031659.KAA28168@compound> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Tony Kimball wrote: > > > Canada is in America as much as Switzerland or France is in Germay. > > *Brazil* is in America. > > Canada is in America as much as Poland is in Europe. Poland is not > a part of the European Union, but is firmly situated on its the > Continet of Europe. Poland actually lies to the west of the "center point of Europe". > > If you disagree, it is only because we speak different dialects of > English. Similarly, the Mexican reference to US denizens as > 'Norte Americanos' is silly, in a naive translation to Network > English, the dialect of most English-speaking readers of this missive. > > The more interesting question to me personally is how long *Minnesota* > will remain a part of the Union. (Not long I hope. Better a dead > lion than a dead jackal -- or slave, eh? I hope for a new union with > Dakota, Manitoba, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Montana, Wyoming and Idaho, > in my lifetime.) > > (Apposite redirections applied. Through the Dragus Ex Machina of BCC;-) > > Oh, and ob FBSD: Might Walnut Creek seceed? Then FBSD could issue its > own money, send ambassadors to Finland. Hey, why not issue FBSD ecash > before that? > Grrr.... They might at least once do the embassy thing the right way - make the embassy for the Nordic countries in Estonia (not vice versa). The difference of costs will soon pay the cost of establishing say a 128K line to there. :) Sander Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 12:48:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21251 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21245 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA14898; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 13:48:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 13:48:33 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199604032048.NAA14898@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Terry Lambert Cc: Brett_Glass@ccgate.infoworld.com (Brett Glass), freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604032013.NAA19795@phaeton.artisoft.com> References: <9603038285.AA828559516@ccgate.infoworld.com> <199604032013.NAA19795@phaeton.artisoft.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > being written by Nate and the Nomads (good name for a band 8-)). Hey, I toyed with the idea of a band once. And given the (lack of) talent in most top-40 bands, I think we could pull it off. I suppose WC would be able to press our CD's pretty cheaply too. I wonder what Jordan would think of the WC record label? IS there a market there for a new CD for them? *grin* Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 13:35:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA24188 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 13:35:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24147 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 13:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id PAA00660; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:31:41 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199604032131.PAA00660@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Advice/Recommendation needed To: julian@ref.tfs.com (JULIAN Elischer) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:31:40 -0600 (CST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, jdp@polstra.com, cat@ghost.uunet.ca, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604032121.NAA09836@ref.tfs.com> from "JULIAN Elischer" at Apr 3, 96 01:21:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > last I looked America was a continent and not a country.. Last I looked, America was not a continent on MY map... however there is "North America" and "South America"... But placed back in context, usually the term "American" is used to refer to things relating to the United States of America. Particularly the phrase "American attitudes", that to me suggests that the author is referring to attitudes here in the States that are somewhat different from the rest of the world.. not uncommon :-( ... JG From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 16:01:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA05509 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05502 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02136; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:00:22 -0800 (PST) To: Greg Lehey cc: cat@ghost.uunet.ca (Cat Okita), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advice/Recommendation needed In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Apr 1996 15:59:55 +0700." <199604031244.OAA13347@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 16:00:22 -0800 Message-ID: <2134.828576022@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Why allow the United States to claim to be all of America? Because we have all the nukes? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 16:14:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA06134 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06128 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02263; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:13:33 -0800 (PST) To: Nate Williams cc: "Brett Glass" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cannot boot after install In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Apr 1996 10:10:58 MST." <199604031710.KAA14307@rocky.sri.MT.net> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 16:13:33 -0800 Message-ID: <2261.828576813@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The funny thing is that Jordan was 21 a couple years ago when he started > FreeBSD, but the stress and strain caused him to age prematurely. :) Only physically. My mental age is actually moving backwards... Must be because I sit in front of this damn screen all the time and don't have a life.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 16:18:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA06409 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06403 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02283; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:18:34 -0800 (PST) To: Tony Kimball cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: America the Beautiful In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Apr 1996 10:59:11 CST." <199604031659.KAA28168@compound> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 16:18:34 -0800 Message-ID: <2281.828577114@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The more interesting question to me personally is how long *Minnesota* > will remain a part of the Union. (Not long I hope. Better a dead I wonder if you're really serious here.. It's kind of amusing, but I've had a lot of my european friends ask me what America is going to do in the next 50 years now that we're at end-of-empire and sort of generally sick of playing self-appointed policeman to the world (Vietnam was sort of the beginning of the end in many, many ways). I say that we'll still be here, just fragmented into a bunch of nation-states. New Mexico, Arizona and Nevada will probably be one independant territory, I expect the northies to go their own way (Montana/North Dakota, etc) and California, of course, will finally acknowledge the obvious and become its own country. No idea whether or not the transition will be peaceful thought. Depends on how attached the Federalists are to the idea of a complete Union. My feeling is that the writing on the wall will be there for many years before the first official break-away, and by then everyone will have had time to get used to it. That is, unless you silly Minnesotans jump the gun or something.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 16:43:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA07997 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:43:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07992 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:43:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02466; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:42:17 -0800 (PST) To: "JULIAN Elischer" cc: jdp@polstra.com, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, cat@ghost.uunet.ca, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advice/Recommendation needed In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Apr 1996 13:21:30 PST." <199604032121.NAA09836@ref.tfs.com> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 16:42:17 -0800 Message-ID: <2464.828578537@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > last I looked America was a continent and not a country.. Nope, it says right here in our constitution that we get all rights to the name - there's a little (tm) symbol right after it, the first recorded use in our history, in fact. We licensed it from Amerigo Vespucci's estate for $500 in silver and a plate of pasta (al dente') with clam sauce. Nyah nyah nyah. The Canadians are just sore because they didn't file for it first. It's also a little-known fact that the first ever trademark dispute was, in fact, with Mexico, who refused to acknowledge our trademark and was putting up big signs on the border saying "Welcome to the *real* America!". We subsequently won the suit, along with New Mexico, Texas and most of California. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 16:43:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA08019 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08014 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:43:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02488 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:43:38 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cannot boot after install In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Apr 1996 19:07:28 +0100." <8870.828554848@palmer.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 16:43:38 -0800 Message-ID: <2486.828578618@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Pbbbbbblt! > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote in message ID > <28613.828515956@time.cdrom.com>: > > Gosh, that's my birthday. Intentional? :-) > > > P.S. Yeah yeah, I'll be 33. Don't remind me! :-) > > Jordan, > > You'll be 33 in a few days. > > Okay? Better now? :-) :-) > > Gary From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 16:44:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA08127 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:44:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08094 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:44:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02477; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:43:28 -0800 (PST) To: Nate Williams cc: Terry Lambert , Brett_Glass@ccgate.infoworld.com (Brett Glass), freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Apr 1996 13:48:33 MST." <199604032048.NAA14898@rocky.sri.MT.net> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 16:43:28 -0800 Message-ID: <2475.828578608@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I suppose WC would be able to press our CD's pretty cheaply too. I > wonder what Jordan would think of the WC record label? IS there a > market there for a new CD for them? *grin* First you need to tell me which demographics this band would appeal to.. The grunge set? The under-14 tennybopper set? The aging hippy set? All of the above? Are you willing to wear a codpiece in your on-stage promotions? Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 17:00:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA09092 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 17:00:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09041 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:59:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA15381; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 17:59:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 17:59:52 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199604040059.RAA15381@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2475.828578608@time.cdrom.com> References: <199604032048.NAA14898@rocky.sri.MT.net> <2475.828578608@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I suppose WC would be able to press our CD's pretty cheaply too. I > > wonder what Jordan would think of the WC record label? IS there a > > market there for a new CD for them? *grin* > > First you need to tell me which demographics this band would appeal > to.. The grunge set? The under-14 tennybopper set? The aging hippy > set? All of the above? I was thinking that the 'freemen' in Montana would be appropriate. You know, the kind of folks who are unhappy about any form of government, and resetn anyone taking away their 'constitutional right' to write bad checks. Then again, maybe that's not a great group to market since they might shoot you if you're bad, and not pay you if your good. :) > Are you willing to wear a codpiece in your on-stage promotions? First of all, you need to tell me what a codpiece is.. Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 17:07:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA09691 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 17:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09686 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 17:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA02615; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 17:06:54 -0800 (PST) To: Nate Williams cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Apr 1996 17:59:52 MST." <199604040059.RAA15381@rocky.sri.MT.net> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 17:06:54 -0800 Message-ID: <2613.828580014@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I was thinking that the 'freemen' in Montana would be appropriate. You > know, the kind of folks who are unhappy about any form of government, > and resetn anyone taking away their 'constitutional right' to write bad > checks. Then again, maybe that's not a great group to market since they > might shoot you if you're bad, and not pay you if your good. :) No, no, that's brilliant! An entirely new demographic! We just have to remember not to let them pay by check. I wonder if two chickens a performance is too high a gate price. We can probably work a deal with Frank Purdue to turn them back into cash (or, at the very least, eat for free while on the road!). > First of all, you need to tell me what a codpiece is.. I haven't the, erm, heart to explain this to Nate. Anyone else here braver than I? Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 20:15:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA21189 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA21176 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:15:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0u4gqQ-000wvdC; Wed, 3 Apr 96 20:40 PST Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA828591258; Wed, 03 Apr 96 21:01:34 PST Date: Wed, 03 Apr 96 21:01:34 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9603038285.AA828591258@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , nate@sri.MT.net Cc: terry@lambert.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Are you willing to wear a codpiece in your > on-stage promotions? Might NEED one. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 20:33:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA21982 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA21965 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15925(15)>; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:32:29 PST Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177475>; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:32:16 -0800 To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) cc: "Amancio Hasty, Jr." , tjeffers@nastg.gsfc.nasa.gov, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd Vs. Linux In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Apr 96 16:39:59 PST." <199604040039.TAA06690@etinc.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:32:10 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Apr3.203216pst.177475@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199604040039.TAA06690@etinc.com> dennis wrote: >Your tests are seriously defective. ... you either have >the FreeBSD system all hosed up or your test isn't testing much. This is the second message that I've seen like this -- come on, folks, Karen was asking for help, she wasn't attacking FreeBSD. Why are we attacking her instead of trying to provide help? This is exactly how to make people switch OS's. Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 21:39:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA27333 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 21:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27312 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 21:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with SMTP id GAA00466 ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 06:36:18 +0100 (BST) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Apr 1996 17:06:54 -0800." <2613.828580014@time.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 06:36:18 +0100 Message-ID: <464.828596178@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote in message ID <2613.828580014@time.cdrom.com>: > > First of all, you need to tell me what a codpiece is.. > I haven't the, erm, heart to explain this to Nate. Anyone > else here braver than I? codpiece, noun, a bag covering the male genitals, attached to breeches: worn in the 15th and 16th centuries [C15: from COD(2) + PIECE] Better now? :-_ Gary From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 22:02:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA29771 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 22:02:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29766 Wed, 3 Apr 1996 22:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA04903; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 22:02:38 -0800 (PST) To: "Gary Palmer" cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Apr 1996 06:36:18 +0100." <464.828596178@palmer.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 22:02:37 -0800 Message-ID: <4900.828597757@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk And, I might also add, favored by rock stars for the round, full appearance it gives to said equipment when worn under spandex pants. Doesn't hurt to protect the old family jewels from thrown beer bottles, either, which is probably where the whole idea started. History is somewhat vague on this, but I'll bet if you could have been a fly on the wall of the Hammersmith Odeon you'd have heard a conversation something like this one: Mick: "'ey, Keith, sum bastard got me right in the goolies with a feckin' 'einiken bottle during that last number! Wott wankahs these fans are! It's been over an 'our and it still 'urts like 'ell!" Keith [downs a quart bottle of Wild Turkey in one gulp and wipes his lips] "Ah mate, y've not 'eard o codpieces then? I likes me own so much I even wears it in the shower now!" Mick: "Codpiece? Wot the 'ecks a codpiece?" Keith: "'ere mate, look.." [opens a book and holds it up] "Codpiece (n) A bag covering the male genitals, attached to breeches.." Mick: "Geer! Let's 'ave one of those then!" Keith: "Sure mate, oi've got a couple of me old ones 'ere in a box somewhere.. Let's see.. Ah, 'ere we go! Lookit this - a purple one! With spikes even! Keeps them girls from getting too fresh, ya know? Should be especially 'elpful in your case, mate.." Mick [trying it on]: "Oy! This is fookin' brilliant! And it makes me look, well, bigger somehow! Will ya look at this, it's like I'm wearin' a pumpkin in me trousers!" Keith: "That's the idea, mate, that's the idea.." Mick [sauntering off proudly] "'ey, Lads! Will ya look at this then! I've got a fookin' suit of armor for me willy!" Sadly, such a conversation, if it indeed took place, is lost forever in the mists of rock history. Jordan > > > [Nate wonders what a codpiece is] > > > First of all, you need to tell me what a codpiece is.. > > > > [Jordan hasn't the heart..] > > I haven't the, erm, heart to explain this to Nate. Anyone > > else here braver than I? > > [Gary consults Webster's ] > > codpiece, noun, a bag covering the male genitals, attached to > breeches: worn in the 15th and 16th centuries [C15: from COD(2) + > PIECE] > > Better now? :-_ > > Gary From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 22:19:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA01044 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 22:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA01039 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 22:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with SMTP id HAA00605 ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 07:17:54 +0100 (BST) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Apr 1996 22:02:37 -0800." <4900.828597757@time.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 07:17:54 +0100 Message-ID: <603.828598674@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote in message ID <4900.828597757@time.cdrom.com>: > And, I might also add, favored by rock stars for the round, full > appearance it gives to said equipment when worn under spandex pants. > Doesn't hurt to protect the old family jewels from thrown beer > bottles, either, which is probably where the whole idea started. > History is somewhat vague on this, but I'll bet if you could have been > a fly on the wall of the Hammersmith Odeon you'd have heard a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Just for those who HAVEN'T been to London or seen a map of the London Underground, Hammersmith is a district of London. > Keith: "'ere mate, look.." [opens a book and holds it up] "Codpiece (n) > A bag covering the male genitals, attached to breeches.." Yeah, right, like Keith would really be able to read if he's that drunk :-) > Sadly, such a conversation, if it indeed took place, is lost forever > in the mists of rock history. Rock history perhaps, but do we keep an archive of the chat list? :-) > > [Gary consults Webster's ] Err, better be accurate (for the record), it was ``The Collins Concise Distionary Plus'' :-) Gary From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 22:43:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA02682 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 22:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA02676 Wed, 3 Apr 1996 22:43:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 22:43:03 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199604040643.WAA02676@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jkh Cc: chat Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote in message ID <2613.828580014@time.cdrom.com>: > > First of all, you need to tell me what a codpiece is.. > I haven't the, erm, heart to explain this to Nate. Anyone > else here braver than I? Didn't you just buy a new video camera? As the Chinese say, a picture is worth a thousand words. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 23:30:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA04949 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:30:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA04943 Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA05325; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:30:28 -0800 (PST) To: "Gary Palmer" cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Apr 1996 07:17:54 +0100." <603.828598674@palmer.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 23:30:28 -0800 Message-ID: <5323.828603028@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Keith: "'ere mate, look.." [opens a book and holds it up] "Codpiece (n) > > A bag covering the male genitals, attached to breeches.." > > Yeah, right, like Keith would really be able to read if he's that > drunk :-) Drunk? C'mon, a quart of 'turkey is *breakfast* for Keith! I think it'd take a lot more than that to get him drunk.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 23:40:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA05804 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA05799 Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:40:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA05377; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:40:15 -0800 (PST) To: Jeffrey Hsu cc: jkh@freefall.freebsd.org, chat@freefall.freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Apr 1996 22:43:03 PST." <199604040643.WAA02676@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 23:40:15 -0800 Message-ID: <5375.828603615@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Didn't you just buy a new video camera? As the Chinese say, a picture > is worth a thousand words. I'm afraid I'm all out of codpieces - you want to model for this? I'll set the camera up and go out for a cup of coffee.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 00:10:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07515 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 00:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mramirez.sy.yale.edu (mramirez.sy.yale.edu [130.132.57.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA07510 Thu, 4 Apr 1996 00:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by mramirez.sy.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA25417; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 03:10:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 03:10:23 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Ramirez Reply-To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Gary Palmer , Nate Williams , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <5323.828603028@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Keith: "'ere mate, look.." [opens a book and holds it up] "Codpiece (n) > > > A bag covering the male genitals, attached to breeches.." > > > > Yeah, right, like Keith would really be able to read if he's that > > drunk :-) > > Drunk? C'mon, a quart of 'turkey is *breakfast* for Keith! I think > it'd take a lot more than that to get him drunk.. Okay, then: Yeah, right, like Keith would really be able to read... :-) Marc. -- If A equals success, then the formula is A = X + Y + Z. X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut. -- Albert Einstein From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 00:23:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA08067 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 00:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA08053 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 00:23:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA08358; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:22:08 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA09184; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:22:00 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id KAA19506; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:01:19 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604040801.KAA19506@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cmsg cancel <199604031122.MAA15556@ns0.netcraft.co.uk> To: jez@netcraft.co.uk (Jeremy Prior) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:01:18 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <4ju390$oji@ns0.netcraft.co.uk> from "Jeremy Prior" at Apr 3, 96 02:51:12 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jeremy Prior wrote: > > cancel <199604031122.MAA15556@ns0.netcraft.co.uk> in newsgroup netcraft.freebsd-current > > This article was cancelled from within NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) You really think you can cancel mailing list articles? :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 05:25:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA27277 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 05:25:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA27265 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 05:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from crissy.gemis.ge.com ([3.29.7.57]) by ns.ge.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20478; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:24:53 -0500 Received: from salem.ge.com (carsdb.salem.ge.com [3.29.7.15]) by crissy.gemis.ge.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA10180; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:24:49 -0500 Received: from combs.salem.ge.com by salem.ge.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27816; Thu, 4 Apr 96 08:24:47 EST Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by combs.salem.ge.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA05170; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:24:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:24:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Stephen F. Combs" Reply-To: CombsSF@salem.ge.com To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <2613.828580014@time.cdrom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I hadn't heard 'Codpiece' in over 20 years! ;-> Nate, It was a sack which was hung at the front of a mans pants. It was around LOOOOONG before buttons or zippers. Men bragged by establishing, shall we say, extravagent codpiece sizes!?! ;-) ---- Stephen F. Combs Internet: CombsSF@Salem.GE.COM GE DS&TC Voice: 540.387.8828 Network Services Home: CombsSF-Home@Salem.GE.COM 1501 Roanoke Blvd FAX: 540.387.7106 Salem, VA 24153 LapTop: CombsSF-Mobile@Salem.GE.COM On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 17:06:54 -0800 > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > To: Nate Williams > Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > > I was thinking that the 'freemen' in Montana would be appropriate. You > > know, the kind of folks who are unhappy about any form of government, > > and resetn anyone taking away their 'constitutional right' to write bad > > checks. Then again, maybe that's not a great group to market since they > > might shoot you if you're bad, and not pay you if your good. :) > > No, no, that's brilliant! An entirely new demographic! > > We just have to remember not to let them pay by check. I wonder if > two chickens a performance is too high a gate price. We can probably > work a deal with Frank Purdue to turn them back into cash (or, at the > very least, eat for free while on the road!). > > > First of all, you need to tell me what a codpiece is.. > > I haven't the, erm, heart to explain this to Nate. Anyone > else here braver than I? > > Jordan > From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 07:27:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA03013 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 07:27:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA02999 Thu, 4 Apr 1996 07:27:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA11487; Thu, 4 Apr 96 15:26:57 GMT Message-Id: <9604041526.AA11487@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA287871672; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:27:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:27:52 -0700 From: Sean Kelly To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: hsu@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@freefall.freebsd.org, chat@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <5375.828603615@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Jordan" == "Jordan K Hubbard" writes: Jordan> I'm afraid I'm all out of codpieces - you want to model Jordan> for this? I'll set the camera up and go out for a cup of Jordan> coffee.. :-) You can get 'em while they're `hot' from Codpiece International on the Web! http://www.teleport.com/~codpiece/codpiece.shtml -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 08:40:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA09509 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09502 Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:40:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA19803; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:40:26 -0800 (PST) To: Sean Kelly cc: hsu@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@freefall.freebsd.org, chat@freefall.freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Apr 1996 08:27:52 MST." <9604041526.AA11487@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 08:40:26 -0800 Message-ID: <19801.828636026@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > You can get 'em while they're `hot' from Codpiece International on the > Web! > > http://www.teleport.com/~codpiece/codpiece.shtml A page just for codpieces. Sigh.... Only on the web! Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 10:44:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA19415 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:44:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from yucca.cs.odu.edu (root@yucca.cs.odu.edu [128.82.4.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19409 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from yucca.cs.odu.edu (bowden@yucca.cs.odu.edu [128.82.4.6]) by yucca.cs.odu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA10224; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:39:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:39:13 -0500 (EST) From: Ragnar To: "Stephen F. Combs" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Nate Williams , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Apr 1996, Stephen F. Combs wrote: http://www.teleport.com/~codpiece/ If you wanna know about codpieces nad their history, here's the place. > I hadn't heard 'Codpiece' in over 20 years! ;-> > > Nate, > It was a sack which was hung at the front of a mans pants. It was > around LOOOOONG before buttons or zippers. Men bragged by establishing, > shall we say, extravagent codpiece sizes!?! ;-) > > ---- > Stephen F. Combs Internet: CombsSF@Salem.GE.COM > GE DS&TC Voice: 540.387.8828 > Network Services Home: CombsSF-Home@Salem.GE.COM > 1501 Roanoke Blvd FAX: 540.387.7106 > Salem, VA 24153 LapTop: CombsSF-Mobile@Salem.GE.COM > > On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 17:06:54 -0800 > > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > > To: Nate Williams > > Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > > > > I was thinking that the 'freemen' in Montana would be appropriate. You > > > know, the kind of folks who are unhappy about any form of government, > > > and resetn anyone taking away their 'constitutional right' to write bad > > > checks. Then again, maybe that's not a great group to market since they > > > might shoot you if you're bad, and not pay you if your good. :) > > > > No, no, that's brilliant! An entirely new demographic! > > > > We just have to remember not to let them pay by check. I wonder if > > two chickens a performance is too high a gate price. We can probably > > work a deal with Frank Purdue to turn them back into cash (or, at the > > very least, eat for free while on the road!). > > > > > First of all, you need to tell me what a codpiece is.. > > > > I haven't the, erm, heart to explain this to Nate. Anyone > > else here braver than I? > > > > Jordan > > > > Jamie I am Lysdexic of Borg, your ass will be laminated. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 12:14:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA26314 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26307 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA12524; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:14:16 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:14:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Proud to be from Montana Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In the past few weeks, I've been subjected to all sorts of debate here where I work over the issue of running Linux vs. running FreeBSD-current with Linux-emulation. The recent improvements in the linuxulator have swayed me, and I'm making vast inroads into the local community. I now have two more Lockeed folks running FreeBSD on their home machines. In light of the recent Montana developments, I feel it's time to make a statement. I'm sure most of you are aware of the Montana "Freemen" who have staked out their claim. Even more recent it turns out we've got the Unabomber. About the same time as the Unabomber was uncovered we discovered a new source of talent in our high desert, Nate and the Nomads. All in Montana, the "Last best place." So, I proudly sport a new .signature. Thank you. -- Brian Handy handy@sag.space.lockheed.com Dept. of Physics, Montana State University "I'll run Linux on my box when you pry the keyboard from my cold, dead hands. FreeBSD, the last, best OS." From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 13:35:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA04312 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04293 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA17803; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 14:35:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 14:35:31 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199604042135.OAA17803@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Brian N. Handy" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Proud to be from Montana In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > All in Montana, the "Last best place." Preach it brother! Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 21:44:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA19468 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 21:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (slcmodem1-p3-16.intele.net [206.29.206.147]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA19455 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 21:44:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA00208; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:43:28 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:43:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199604050543.WAA00208@obie.softweyr.com> From: wes@intele.net To: Cat Okita CC: chat@freebsd.org Subject: American vs. North/South American (was Re: Advice/Recommendation needed) In-Reply-To: References: <199604031244.OAA13343@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Cat Okita writes: > 'America' is definately slang for the USA, and I'd rather leave > that name and reputation to them, than try and spend years cleaning > it up :> Damned whiteback. ;^) > (I've found travelling abroad that Canadians get a *much* better > reception than 'Americans' - I've also found travelling that I can > understand why! Some of my best friends are from the US, but the > sterotype of the American tourist is unfortunately accurate "IF I > YELL THEY'LL UNDERSTAND ME THEY'RE JUST ALL STUPID HERE SO I HAVE > TO YELL") Everyone can speak "American" if I just say it slow enough. Of course, to speak Canajun, you just have to speak American, but screw up the vowels and say "eh" at the end of every sentence: that's ABOOT it, eh? > ...and now that I've packed a good load of flame-bait into one message > *wry grin*...it's time to go... We win. We have more nuclear missiles. Hah! -- Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... wes@intele.net | Jimmy Buffett From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 22:07:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA21643 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (slcmodem1-p4-1.intele.net [206.29.206.148]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA21632 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 22:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA00232; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 23:05:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 23:05:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199604050605.XAA00232@obie.softweyr.com> From: wes@intele.net To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: America the Beautiful In-Reply-To: <2281.828577114@time.cdrom.com> References: <199604031659.KAA28168@compound> <2281.828577114@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > The more interesting question to me personally is how long *Minnesota* > > will remain a part of the Union. (Not long I hope. Better a dead > > I wonder if you're really serious here.. It's kind of amusing, but > I've had a lot of my european friends ask me what America is going to > do in the next 50 years now that we're at end-of-empire and sort of > generally sick of playing self-appointed policeman to the world > (Vietnam was sort of the beginning of the end in many, many ways). At least our generation is. I don't see many signs of this in the aging WWII set, or even in the ex-hippy set. Unfortunately, the older ones are still running the country. I hope we can hang on till 2000, and get a good 35-40 year old President in office who doesn't want to play cop to the rest of the world. > I say that we'll still be here, just fragmented into a bunch of > nation-states. New Mexico, Arizona and Nevada will probably be one > independant territory, I expect the northies to go their own way > (Montana/North Dakota, etc) and California, of course, will finally > acknowledge the obvious and become its own country. I'm leaning in the opposite direction -- I can see all of North America becoming one large country. We've almost become one large economy already, what with the U.S. bailout of the Mexican banking mess; the cross-border trade being enhanced by NAFTA, the porosity of both of the U.S. borders (intentional on the north, but not on the south). Personally, if we manage to keep a reasonably representative government, I don't see this as a bad thing at all. America has suceeded so far *because* of the melting pot idea, and more of a melting pot will make us stronger. We'll also maintain the largest collection of natural resources in the known world. > No idea whether or not the transition will be peaceful thought. > Depends on how attached the Federalists are to the idea of a complete > Union. My feeling is that the writing on the wall will be there for > many years before the first official break-away, and by then everyone > will have had time to get used to it. That is, unless you silly > Minnesotans jump the gun or something.. :-) Those Minnesotans could be dangerous, if they can figure out how to organize their mosquitoes into an air force... -- Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... wes@intele.net | Jimmy Buffett From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 5 01:48:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA07735 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 01:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA07728 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 01:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA08929; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:51:55 +0300 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:51:55 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: wes@intele.net cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: America the Beautiful In-Reply-To: <199604050605.XAA00232@obie.softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) On Thu, 4 Apr 1996 wes@intele.net wrote: > Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > > The more interesting question to me personally is how long *Minnesota* > > > will remain a part of the Union. (Not long I hope. Better a dead > > > > I wonder if you're really serious here.. It's kind of amusing, but > > I've had a lot of my european friends ask me what America is going to > > do in the next 50 years now that we're at end-of-empire and sort of > > generally sick of playing self-appointed policeman to the world > > (Vietnam was sort of the beginning of the end in many, many ways). > > At least our generation is. I don't see many signs of this in the > aging WWII set, or even in the ex-hippy set. Unfortunately, the > older ones are still running the country. I hope we can hang on > till 2000, and get a good 35-40 year old President in office who > doesn't want to play cop to the rest of the world. > > > I say that we'll still be here, just fragmented into a bunch of > > nation-states. New Mexico, Arizona and Nevada will probably be one > > independant territory, I expect the northies to go their own way > > (Montana/North Dakota, etc) and California, of course, will finally > > acknowledge the obvious and become its own country. > > I'm leaning in the opposite direction -- I can see all of North > America becoming one large country. We've almost become one large > economy already, what with the U.S. bailout of the Mexican banking > mess; the cross-border trade being enhanced by NAFTA, the porosity of > both of the U.S. borders (intentional on the north, but not on the > south). Personally, if we manage to keep a reasonably representative > government, I don't see this as a bad thing at all. America has > suceeded so far *because* of the melting pot idea, and more of a > melting pot will make us stronger. We'll also maintain the largest > collection of natural resources in the known world. Perhaps all it needs to make things better is some restructioning of where the taxes go? As a rule (it always holds) - the more money the locals get from the taxes the more they do to make it stay so. So wouldn't it be good to divide it (USA) into some number of regions by states which had more control over "local" taxes (with the word local to start disappering)? > > > No idea whether or not the transition will be peaceful thought. > > Depends on how attached the Federalists are to the idea of a complete > > Union. My feeling is that the writing on the wall will be there for > > many years before the first official break-away, and by then everyone > > will have had time to get used to it. That is, unless you silly > > Minnesotans jump the gun or something.. :-) > > Those Minnesotans could be dangerous, if they can figure out how to > organize their mosquitoes into an air force... > > -- > Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late > Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder > Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... > wes@intele.net | Jimmy Buffett > From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 5 11:51:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA06095 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06059 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:50:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA28037; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:50:43 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA08991; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:50:42 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id VAA00878; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:45:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604051945.VAA00878@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: tty-level buffer overflows - what to do? To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:45:43 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: imp@village.org, nate@sri.MT.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, root@deadline.snafu.de Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604051659.KAA04780@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Apr 5, 96 10:59:11 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Joe Greco wrote: > Heck, I ran a 386sx/16 at 115200 with 16450's, one SLIP link, and was > getting 5000cps :-) Only? My notebook (same equipment) keeps up with 38400 bps using a 3-wire interface (no handshake), and gets ~ 7.8 KB/s through a SLIP line (actually ppp now) running at 115 kbps, using hardware handshake. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 5 12:08:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA07615 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07460 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id OAA05258; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:06:18 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199604052006.OAA05258@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: tty-level buffer overflows - what to do? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:06:18 -0600 (CST) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, imp@village.org, nate@sri.MT.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, root@deadline.snafu.de In-Reply-To: <199604051945.VAA00878@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Apr 5, 96 09:45:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Joe Greco wrote: > > > Heck, I ran a 386sx/16 at 115200 with 16450's, one SLIP link, and was > > getting 5000cps :-) > > Only? > > My notebook (same equipment) keeps up with 38400 bps using a 3-wire > interface (no handshake), and gets ~ 7.8 KB/s through a SLIP line > (actually ppp now) running at 115 kbps, using hardware handshake. With 16_4_50's? With 16550's I easily see the same behaviour... Of course my test was a while back. I used to use the 386sx/16 as my "FreeBSD installer" machine, and due to various factors I couldn't stick an Ethernet card in it.. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 5 15:24:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA21052 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21041 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id BAA01767; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:24:35 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id BAA11806; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:24:34 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id BAA09161; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:11:40 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604052311.BAA09161@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: tty-level buffer overflows - what to do? To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:11:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: imp@village.org, nate@sri.MT.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, root@deadline.snafu.de Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604052006.OAA05258@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Apr 5, 96 02:06:18 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Joe Greco wrote: > > My notebook (same equipment) keeps up with 38400 bps using a 3-wire > > interface (no handshake), and gets ~ 7.8 KB/s through a SLIP line > > (actually ppp now) running at 115 kbps, using hardware handshake. > > With 16_4_50's? With 16550's I easily see the same behaviour... Of course. :) I've been really surprised about the speed gain after Bruce's first optimizations of the sio driver. This is a Really Old notebook, bought rather cheap. The UART is a builtin 16450, and i don't stand a real chance to hook an ethernet card upon it. (There's something that resembles a crippled ISA bus, i've also figured out the pin assignment, but as soon as my NE1000 starts to generate more than the occasional ping traffic, the entire bus locks hard. There's no chance to use a more advanced card, since the bus doesn't have memory select signals nor DREQ/DACK, only IRQ3 and IOR/IOW.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 6 17:57:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA01040 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:57:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA01033 Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:57:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199604070157.RAA01033@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: your mail To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:57:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, nate@sri.MT.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <603.828598674@palmer.demon.co.uk> from "Gary Palmer" at Apr 4, 96 07:17:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Palmer wrote: > > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote in message ID > <4900.828597757@time.cdrom.com>: > > Sadly, such a conversation, if it indeed took place, is lost forever > > in the mists of rock history. > > Rock history perhaps, but do we keep an archive of the chat list? :-) oh, my yes. freefall jmb[115] ls -Flag /home/mail/archive/freebsd-chat* -rwSrw-r-- 1 majordom majordom 1820351 Apr 5 15:24 /home/mail/archive/freebsd-chat