From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 30 08:43:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA21831 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 08:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21825 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 08:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fiber.eng.umd.edu (fiber.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.185]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03558 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by fiber.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA06254; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:43:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@fiber.eng.umd.edu To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Getting current via cvs-cur Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am going to try to start using cvs to store my current tree, so I need to get current via cvs-cur. The beginning file, on freefall.freebsd.org, in pub/CTM/cvs-cur, is cvs-cur.2100A.gz (I think) and it's 51 megabytes huge. I can't get that in one ftp, even using the /tmp dir on local machines, that's just too huge (I connect via the University, I have much more than that available on my home machine, but that doesn't help here). Could someone get that file for me, and maybe break it up some, so I could download it in smaller pieces? ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 30 11:57:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA06524 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from natverket.skapa.boden.se (root@natverket.skapa.boden.se [194.23.84.72]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06517 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by natverket.skapa.boden.se (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA15927 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:01:24 +0200 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:01:24 +0200 From: Ove Jansson Message-Id: <199606301901.VAA15927@natverket.skapa.boden.se> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: test Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk sorry, im not gettinga any mail so i chave to chech :) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 30 15:37:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA22798 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA22792 for chat; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199606302237.PAA22792@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: cvs commit: src/sys/vm vm_glue.c (fwd) To: chat Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 15:37:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Dyson wrote: > > dyson 96/06/30 14:16:23 > > Modified: sys/vm vm_glue.c > Log: > Make -current consistant with -stable regarding time that a process > sleeps before being swapped out. The time is increased from 4 secs to > 10 secs. Originally I had decreased it from 20 to 4, but that is a bit > severe. 20 is too long though. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.51 +2 -2 src/sys/vm/vm_glue.c > any of you with the 4.4BSD book may want to make a notation in the book on pages 80 and 171. there are a number of other differences as well, most notably, the vm and file buffer merge......not to forget write clustering. anyone want to maintain a diff file? buy the book and apply the diff?? :)) -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 1 00:09:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA04927 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 00:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA04922 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 00:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swoosh.dunn.org (swoosh.dunn.org [206.158.7.243]) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA29232; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 03:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607010709.DAA29232@ns2.harborcom.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bradley Dunn" Organization: Harbor Communications To: Brian Tao Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 03:04:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Is "routed -q" necessary? Reply-to: dunn@harborcom.net CC: chat@freebsd.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.31) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [moved to chat because I don't think what I have to say has much to do with security :)] If you want a classless (well, actually what you are referring to is VLSM, because RIP *could* handle a /25, as long as the mask is the same for all interfaces on the subnet) protocol, I would recommend OSPF. RIP2 is certainly much better than RIP, but it still inferior to OSPF. Grab the gated port and fire it up. Configuration is a little more difficult, but for simple networks things do no get too complicated. To answer your question, with gated you can set up a static route for your default, and add the retain keyword so that it doesn't go away. I don't know about routed, I've always used gated. Another reason I would not recommend RIP2 for your net is beacuse things could get hairy with your Portmasters, which don't support RIP2 (or OSPF for that matter). You have to be very careful when broadcasting RIP2 packets on a net that has boxes that only understand classic RIP. What we do to get the routes to our Portmasters is have one of our Ciscos redistribute routes learned via OSPF into RIP. My $0.02. On 30 Jun 96 at 22:39, Brian Tao wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Kenneth Merry wrote: > > > > Well, there *might* be a reason to run routed, even if you only have > > one default router, and you hardwire the default router in ahead of > > time. > > Is it possible to tell routed not to mess with the default route? > Our main router to the Internet for this subnet is a Cisco, but there > are also Ascends and Livingston PM-2e's providing routing for dialup > customers. I think I need to be running routed if I want to use a > classless routing protocol like RIPv2. We have a couple of Web > servers that each have a /25, which isn't possible with just RIP. Bradley Dunn Harbor Communications From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 1 01:18:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA09492 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from viking.ucsalf.ac.uk (viking.ucsalf.ac.uk [192.195.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA09486 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by viking.ucsalf.ac.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0uaeBq-00036sC; Mon, 1 Jul 96 09:18 BST Message-Id: From: mark@plato.ucsalf.ac.uk (Mark Powell) Subject: Root filesystem on NFS, Linux style ??? To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: 1 Jul 1996 09:18:28 +0100 X-Gated-To-News-By: news@ucsalf.ac.uk Xref: viking.ucsalf.ac.uk list.freebsd.chat:601 list.freebsd.questions:6984 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:21437 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Linux allows a kernel to be booted from DOS and then perform it's own RARP to find it's IP and root filesystem over NFS. FreeBSD only seems to allow this with the netboot.(com|rom) program (albeit using BOOTP.) We use this here to allow users to turn their PC into an X terminal be selecting an option from our DOS menu system. We currently do it with Linux. However, I'd prefer to do it with FreeBSD, for obvious reasons. NETNOOT.COM does not work if there is already a network driver loaded, as there is in our case. Is there anything afoot allow the kernel to be configured with some of the netboot.com functionality into the kernel? -- Mark Powell - Senior Network Technician - Room: C806 Computer Services Unit, University College Salford, Salford, UK. Tel: +44 161 745 3376 Fax: +44 161 736 3596 Email: mark@ucsalf.ac.uk finger mark@ucsalf.ac.uk (for PGP key) Home Page From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 1 06:08:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA25760 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 06:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au (College.ormond.unimelb.edu.au [203.17.189.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA25752 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 06:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gavin@localhost) by gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA25380 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:08:20 +1000 From: Gavin Cameron Message-Id: <199607011308.XAA25380@gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au> Subject: Setting up an alias on an ethernet interface To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:08:19 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, If I want to make on interface talk to more than one subnet how should I do the alias. I already have the interface working with an IP address of 203.17.189.1 and a netmask of 255.255.255.128. I now want the same interface to handle traffic on a subnet with the network address os 203.22.108.0 and a netmask of 255.255.255.192. Which of the following 2 methods should I use to set this alias up? 1) ifconfig de0 203.22.108.1 netmask 255.255.255.192 alias or 2) ifconfig de0 203.22.108.1 netmask 255.255.255.255 alias route add -net 203.22.108.0 -netmask 255.255.255.192 203.22.108.1 It seems the seconds gets rid of the arplookup: host not on local network errors, but is this the way to do the aliases or have I got it totally wrong? many thanks Gavin -- []-------------------------------------+--------------------------------------[] | Gavin Cameron | Ormond College | | Ph : +61 3 9344 1201 | The University of Melbourne | | Fax : +61 3 9344 1111 | Parkville, Victoria | | Email : gavin@ormond.unimelb.edu.au | Australia, 3053 | []-------------------------------------+--------------------------------------[] From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 1 07:21:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA29724 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 07:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA29716 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 07:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA00986; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:20:40 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199607011420.JAA00986@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: rsync To: proff@suburbia.net (Julian Assange) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:20:39 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: dyson@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199607011257.WAA05320@suburbia.net> from "Julian Assange" at Jul 1, 96 10:57:37 pm Reply-To: dyson@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > THe only un-cool thing is the GPL virus. > > I whole-heartedly support the GPL philosophy. Even though it has gone > out of vouge. New information is built on and from existing information. > The speed that information evolves in complexity and function is > directly related how available it is. Retardation of information flows > decreases the efficiency and efficacity of human knowledge. > These are all my opinions, so don't blame others (including the FreeBSD team) for them :-): Actually, I find that implementation isn't the "hard part." It is the idea behind the implementation. If I see a commercial (proprietary) example, I can usually re-implement it much more easily than if I have to invent the idea also. Given that, the notion that GPLed source code somehow "frees" ideas, is significantly lessened, from my viewpoint. Commercial enhancement of GPLed software is less desirable by the ones who are doing the work than if software that is freeer, like under the BSDL. At least an idea can be implemented in a proprietary fashion, then people like me can see that the idea exists, and then can re-implement it for more free use and freer redistribution. A business who creates enhancements to BSDLed code has the freedom to decide at a later date whether or not to redistribute source code, under the more free and liberal BSDL terms (and in fact, the terms for the modifications might even be more strict than BSDL, if such terms are needed to remain competitive.) Again, in my more mature years, I have not seen that "coding" is the hard part of programming. It is error-prone, but not always "hard." Finding the interface specs, and understanding what needs to be done is more tricky, but only then, coding (including testing) is the challenge. (Note that I use/develop code on NT at work, and there are ideas to be learned from examples from that OS, believe it or not.) Now, the easy part is to implement some of the ideas. It is only the implementation (embodiment) that comes under GPL. The commercial enhancement of GPLed code in a competitive market might not happen as often as it could, because of the redistribution terms in GPL. Given these arguments, GPL stunts itself, because commercial companies are not as likely to add new embodiments of ideas to the (GPL) code base. The disincentive is that the commercial, proprietary embodiments must be allowed to be disclosed to those that receive the (binary) code. At that point, the competition can have access to the embodiment of ideas, and the cost of entry is diminished. For small companies that can be disaster. > > GPL does not forbid commercial use, providing source is made available. > GPL forbids the choice of keeping your modifications private much of the time, if you need to redistribute binaries as a side-effect of your use. It a-priori denys you the freedom to keep your implementation of ideas from competition. Under BSDL, you can choose to release your implementation (potentially to the competition) anytime or never. So, to sum it up, it seems likely that BSDL is much more desirable for commercial use and embodiment of ideas (implementation.) The free software world can re-implement, if needed. The implementation is the easy part, but the ideas are "hard." John From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 1 08:38:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA04891 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 08:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04885; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 08:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous225.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.225]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA09413; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:19:32 +0200 Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA03650; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:39:13 +0200 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:39:13 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider Message-Id: <199607011439.QAA03650@campa.panke.de> To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: cvs commit: src/sys/vm vm_glue.c (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199606302237.PAA22792@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <199606302237.PAA22792@freefall.freebsd.org> Reply-to: Wolfram Schneider MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jonathan M. Bresler writes: > any of you with the 4.4BSD book may want to make a notation in the > book on pages 80 and 171. > > there are a number of other differences as well, most notably, > the vm and file buffer merge......not to forget write clustering. > > anyone want to maintain a diff file? buy the book and apply > the diff?? :)) I remember John wrote a paper about his VM implementation and someone convert it to SGML ... Wolfram From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 1 09:45:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09192 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux.local.net (sandro@line06.globalnet.it [194.185.53.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09064 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sansig@localhost) by linux.local.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00227 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:59:01 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: linux.local.net: sansig owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:59:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: Sandro Sigala X-Sender: sansig@linux.local.net To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: ctools-1.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have uploaded on ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming the package cutils-1.0.tar.gz. It is composed by - cobfusc: C obfuscator: convert a C source file into an unreadable one but compilable. - cinfo: prints documentation about a C language symbol (function, keyword, etc). - yyextract: extract the grammar from a YACC input file and convert it into BNF, EBNF or clean formatted YACC. - some other I have developed it under Linux, but is a lot BSD-like, so should compile fine also under FreeBSD. It's small (~50k), can someone check if works, please? Thanks in advance. Regards, Sandro From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 1 14:42:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16831 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16818; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15931(7)>; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:41:34 PDT Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177476>; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:41:28 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: Gavin Cameron cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: arplookup failed messages In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:30:20 PDT." <199606250330.NAA13388@gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:41:18 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Jul1.144128pdt.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199606250330.NAA13388@gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au>you write: >On a host on the 203.17.189.0 subnet I keep getting the following messages > arplookup 203.22.108.1 failed: host is not on local network Someone on that host is trying to contact 203.22.108.1 and its routing table is incorrect. Can you send me a snapshot of the routing table when this happens? Thanks, Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 1 16:16:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA26841 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26769 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA29922; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:13:52 -0700 (PDT) To: Sandro Sigala cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ctools-1.0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 01 Jul 1996 10:59:00 +0200." Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 16:13:51 -0700 Message-ID: <29920.836262831@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have uploaded on ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming > the package cutils-1.0.tar.gz. Uh, wrong newsgroup. :-) I think you already sent this to ports, but since ports is in code-freeze right now it wouldn't have gone in anyway. :( Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 10:00:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA22362 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scruz.net (nic.scruz.net [165.227.1.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22338 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover3 by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id JAA10223; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31D9559A.541E@pinpt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 10:00:10 -0700 From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Organization: PinPoint Software Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Newbie Question. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You have all probably already heard this question, but I'm new here so I have to ask it again. ;) Is there any kind of office products for X that work well under FreeBSD? I'm looking for the standard word processor type program (Not TEX) so I can just completely dump Windows from my system. Any suggestions? -Sean -- --- Sean J. Schluntz schluntz@pinpt.com PinPoint Software Corporation http://www.pinpt.com Phone: 408-997-6900 ext. 222 Fax: 408-323-2300 From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 12:22:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02480 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02456; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:22:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199607021922.MAA02456@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Ethernet Bandwidth Manager To: branson@widomaker.com (Branson Matheson) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bbecker@flubber.futurecomm.com, joe@smartlink.net, randy@rg.net, dennis@etinc.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat In-Reply-To: <199607021912.PAA26443@garion.hq.ferg.com> from "Branson Matheson" at Jul 2, 96 03:12:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Branson Matheson wrote: > > -------- > > bbecker@flubber.futurecomm.com uttered with conviction : > > > You have a point, but i think he does too. The posti ng looked to > > me to be more of a sales-pitch than anything else. Ad copy do esn't > > belong in here, does it? Even the BSDI notes about new versions > > that you see here, don't sound like a straw-hat-and-cane routine. > > > > I'd prefer seeing pointers to ads as a result of some one asking a > > question. That gives everyone a choice. > > Yes... but it is also an extra step that can be difficult for those > that are accross uucp or read their mail offline. > > Hrmmm.. ok on this note let me ask this question .. ( and I have cc'd > to the FBSD Postmaster ), If there were a mailing list for FreeBSD > commercial products... freebsd-commercial or some such, how many > would be interested ( as I am ) in subscribing to it? let me speak here as THE POSTMASTER ;) dennis's mailing was entirely appropriate. all vendors would do well to use it as a guideline. such mailings should be: clear relevant brief contain pointer for more info contain pricing commercial interest in developing products for FreeBSD is GOOD tasteful mailings are to be encouraged, just as inappropriate ones are to be discouraged. anyone that has a problem with this policy should continue the discussion on FreeBSD-chat. it is no longer relevant to freebsd-isp jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 21:41:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA25434 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.gbdata.com (dial117.phoenix.net [205.241.121.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA25376 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by main.gbdata.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA03121; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:42:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:42:14 -0500 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199607030442.XAA03121@main.gbdata.com> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: New Database for BSDI (fwd) Newsgroups: info.bsdi.users In-Reply-To: <199606102219.PAA12547@raima.raima.com> Organization: none Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thought this might of interest to someone... Gary ------- start of forwarded message ------- Path: uhura.phoenix.net!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!tezcat.com!gail.ripco.com!news.tds.net!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!gateway From: lstefonic@raima.com (Larry Stefonic) Newsgroups: info.bsdi.users Subject: New Database for BSDI Date: 10 Jun 96 22:19:09 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 38 Approved: Usenet@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Message-ID: <199606102219.PAA12547@raima.raima.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Originator: daemon@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Greetings BSDI Users: You may remember my post to this forum a few months ago requesting feedback on whether Raima should port our Velocis Database Server to BSDI. The response was very enthusiastic, so we have decided to go ahead with the port. I am pleased to announce that Velocis 1.4 will be available for shipment to BSDI users on June 28th, 1996. A short description of the product follows. If you are interested in further information, please feel free to browse our web page at www.raima.com. Send me an email if you would like to participate in the beta program or would like our literature package sent out to you. Velocis Database Server is a client/server database engine offering SQL, ODBC and high performance through unique Raima features such as Server Extensions and multiple APIs. In addition to the SQL API, Raima provides its low-level "d_" C API, and an object-oriented interface. Velocis supports databases created in the relational, pointer-based network, and combined models. The Server Extension feature allows C and C++ code to be hosted directly on the server, which cuts down network traffic and can greatly improve application performance. Velocis is the engine in many well known commercial applications including Atria ClearCASE, Cabletron Spectrum and Cheyenne's ArcServe. A special Velocis/Web Server interface will also be available soon. Best Regards, LS _________________________________________________ lstefonic@raima.com www.raima.com Larry Stefonic, Director of Sales, Raima Corporation Phone: 1-206-557-0200 Fax: 1-206-557-5200 High Performance Database Technology "If it's fast, it's Raima" _________________________________________________ ------- end of forwarded message ------- -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | I speak only for myself and "maybe" my company gclarkii@GBData.COM | Member of the FreeBSD Doc Team Providing Internet and ISP startups mail info@GBData.COM for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/docs/freebsd-faq.ascii From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 4 03:10:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA17349 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA17343 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aztec.co.za (aztec.co.za [196.7.70.131]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id DAA13615 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:10:25 -0700 Received: from pcmgate.pcm.co.za [196.3.254.241] by aztec.co.za with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0ublJe-000auzC; Thu, 4 Jul 96 12:07 EET Received: from irvinep5 (irvinep5.pcm.co.za [196.3.226.90]) by pcmgate.pcm.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA29421 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:08:59 +0200 Message-Id: <199607041008.MAA29421@pcmgate.pcm.co.za> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Irvine Short" Organization: Professional Computer Manufacturers To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:56:47 +2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Fast mirror of 2.1-960627-SNAP in South Africa... Reply-to: ishort@pcm.co.za X-Confirm-Reading-To: ishort@pcm.co.za X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All Is there such a thing? I found the one at ftp.za.freebsd.org and I am ftp'ing the boot.flp intending to do a ftp install, but at 1.3k/s between me and them it'll take ages and ages... Regards, Irvine Short http://www.pcm.co.za/homepage/ishort/irv_home.html Technical Support Professional Computer Manufacturers Cape Town, South Africa Tel: ++27-21-235084 Fax ++27-21-235089 From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 4 03:57:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA19779 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsd.gaffaneys.com ([134.129.252.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA19773 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from zach@localhost) by freebsd.gaffaneys.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA02505; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 05:56:47 -0500 To: ishort@pcm.co.za Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fast mirror of 2.1-960627-SNAP in South Africa... References: <199607041008.MAA29421@pcmgate.pcm.co.za> From: Zach Heilig Date: 04 Jul 1996 05:56:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Irvine Short"'s message of Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:56:47 +2 Message-ID: <87afxgxp5d.fsf@freebsd.gaffaneys.com> Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.32/Emacs 19.31 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Irvine Short" writes: > Hi All > > Is there such a thing? > > I found the one at ftp.za.freebsd.org and I am ftp'ing the boot.flp > intending to do a ftp install, but at 1.3k/s between me and them > it'll take ages and ages... Try installing with a 14.4K modem :-) (I actually got 1.5K/sec though). BTW, I've noticed ftp transfers have dropped to .57K/sec (I never get more, unless it's text, then it's up to 2K/sec). I checked, and I connect at 14400/ARQ/V42bis/(couple other things), so that isn't the problem. My ISP gets about 60K/sec from most sites, so that isn't the bottleneck either. I wonder if it has something to do with the 2.1.0-stable user-mode ppp, because my speed dropped when I upgraded that (the rest of the system is still 2.1.0-RELEASE, until 2.1.5-RELEASE is out). Though one nice thing is I don't get disconnected anymore. -- Zach Heilig (zach@blizzard.gaffaneys.com) Support bacteria -- it's the only culture some people have! ALL unsolicited >commercial< email is subject to a $100 proof-reading fee. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 4 03:58:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA19808 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA19795 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (mark@localhost.grondar.za [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00265; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:56:58 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199607041056.MAA00265@grumble.grondar.za> To: ishort@pcm.co.za cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fast mirror of 2.1-960627-SNAP in South Africa... Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 12:56:58 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Irvine Short" wrote: > I found the one at ftp.za.freebsd.org and I am ftp'ing the boot.flp > intending to do a ftp install, but at 1.3k/s between me and them > it'll take ages and ages... Try ftp2 and ftp3... M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 4 09:34:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04935 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from warp10.warp10.com ([207.6.190.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04929 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from matt.warp10.com by warp10.warp10.com via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id MAA09042; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:32:10 -0400 Received: by matt.warp10.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB69A5.080842A0@matt.warp10.com>; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:33:40 -0400 Message-ID: <01BB69A5.080842A0@matt.warp10.com> From: warp10 To: "'freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG'" Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:33:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 4 19:07:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA01580 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA01574 for chat; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:07:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199607050207.TAA01574@freefall.freebsd.org> To: chat Subject: anyone get their demon plushie? Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What does it look like? From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 4 20:32:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA07441 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07433; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA00854; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 03:32:07 GMT Message-Id: <199607050332.DAA00854@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA100947532; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 21:32:12 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 21:32:12 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: hsu@freefall.freebsd.org Cc: chat@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199607050207.TAA01574@freefall.freebsd.org> (message from Jeffrey Hsu on Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:07:09 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: anyone get their demon plushie? Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Jeffrey" == Jeffrey Hsu writes: Jeffrey> What does it look like? Not yet ... the order hasn't yet shown up on my credit card either, though. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 5 00:22:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA26493 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26483 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA26262; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:21:14 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA22648; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:21:14 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA23613; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:26:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199607050626.IAA23613@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: anyone get their demon plushie? To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:26:03 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hsu@freefall.freebsd.org (Jeffrey Hsu) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199607050207.TAA01574@freefall.freebsd.org> from Jeffrey Hsu at "Jul 4, 96 07:07:09 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jeffrey Hsu wrote: > What does it look like? There's a picture on http://www.freebsd.org/newsletter.html, but all i can say is, this picture is *terrible*. :-(( That's mainly since the kind of red color is such a strong tone that almost no photography can handle it. We are going to try scanning it with a video camera again, and will update the picture on the web server as soon as this is ready. (Further, the current picture shows the prototype that's sitting some- where on a desk at WC. The real daemon will have a much better fork, and minor improvements in its overall appearence. It's 35 cm high.) As for shipping, i've just been talking to Ingo at the phone. The first production lot has been sold once the first orders arrived, and it is expected to ship every minute. (The manufacturer will produce them in small batches, as the orders come in. Well, this is really *no* mass production, it's genuine but solid handwork.) After this, everything is up to the snail mail services... :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)