From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 19 16:23:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA21994 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21948 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17748 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA22225 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:25:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: ac199 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:25:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/1643: Support for NetBSD in bsd.port.mk In-Reply-To: <199609191835.LAA07709@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Jason Thorpe wrote: > > but, but, but.. that's an "architecture"... :-) > > Heh .. not in all circumstances... The amiga, atari, mvme68k, and hp300 > are all m68k architectures... but slightly different platforms... > > You say potato, I say potato. :-) I'm really getting a kick out of imagining all the English as a Second Language people trying to figure this one out! :) -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 19 16:37:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00334 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.hsc.wvu.edu (www.hsc.wvu.edu [157.182.105.122]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00302 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsigmon@localhost) by www.hsc.wvu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA27705; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:39:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:39:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Sigmon To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Programming questions. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A friend of mine is looking into programming some network applications using FreeBSD. His is just learning so he plans to make a FTP program and TELNET program. He want to learn the guts and such. Anyone know of any good sites with source code he can look through and or tutorials? He (and I) have read the TCP/IP books from O'Reilly but he is looking for specific examples. I was really smart and told him to look in the telnet source in usr.bin, but he was looking for more. Any suggestions? ====================================================================== Jeremy Sigmon B.S. ChE | Web Developer of the Robert C. Byrd Health | Use Sciences Center of West Virginia University | FreeBSD WWW.HSC.WVU.EDU | Now Graduate Student in Computer Science | Office : 293-1060 | From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 19 19:12:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA01334 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29937 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA12319; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:32:39 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199609200202.LAA12319@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Programming questions. To: jsigmon@www.hsc.wvu.edu (Jeremy Sigmon) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:32:39 +0930 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jeremy Sigmon" at Sep 19, 96 07:39:49 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jeremy Sigmon stands accused of saying: > > > A friend of mine is looking into programming some network applications > using FreeBSD. His is just learning so he plans to make a FTP > program and TELNET program. He want to learn the guts and such. > Anyone know of any good sites with source code he can look through > and or tutorials? He (and I) have read the TCP/IP books from O'Reilly > but he is looking for specific examples. > I was really smart and told him to look in the telnet source in > usr.bin, but he was looking for more. > Any suggestions? The standard response is, of course : W. Richard Stevens, 'Unix Network Programming'. from Prentice Hall, ISBN 0-13-949876-1. WRS' homepage is http://www.noao.edu/~rstevens/. And then if he wants to understand the kernel side of things, there are volumes by the same author (2 or is it 3 now?) which should be listed in the reading list in the FAQ or handbook somewhere. If he's really serious, he should check the -hackers list archive for Terry's Reading List, which covers the very deepest and darkest corners of the Unix thoughtspace. > Jeremy Sigmon B.S. ChE | -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 21 15:55:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02833 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 15:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bureau-de-poste.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau-de-poste.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02800 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 15:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mainserver ([142.150.128.164]) by bureau-de-poste.utcc.utoronto.ca with SMTP id <803225(2)>; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:55:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3244397E.6E0F@utoronto.ca> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:52:46 -0400 From: Edward Ing X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: greig@sickkids.on.ca CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Some Toronto area FreeBSDers gathering to attend Toronto Linux User's Group meeting. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Dave, At least two of us FreeBSDer's will be meeting to attend the Toronto Linux User's group meeting at 7:30 on Tuesday, Sept. 24. Please join us. The TLUG will be meeting at Suite 301 5415 Dundas Street W. Etobicoke. This is just west of the Kipling TTC station on the south side next to the Canadian tire. There is parking there also. The FreeBSDer's will be meeting at the Contry Style Dounut shop just east of there on the north side at 6:45 pm. The donut shop is adjacent to the Ho Lee Chow Chinese restaurant. Please indicate to me whether you will or will not attend, so we know how many people to wait for before heading over to the TLUG meeting. Hope to see you there so we can hear of you horror stories and you successes. Edward Ing From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 21 20:59:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA06952 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06913 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA28103; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:55:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:55:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199609220355.VAA28103@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), julian@current1.whistle.com, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Job openings: Unix Network Programmers, Internet server In-Reply-To: <199609220039.RAA02243@MindBender.serv.net> References: <199609212037.PAA14080@brasil.moneng.mei.com> <199609220039.RAA02243@MindBender.serv.net> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ Moved to -chat ] > What might be almost as helpful is for people who know what they want, > and why they want it, to file bug reports, requests, and such with > Microsoft ("telnet sucks, please fix it", "give us a single-rooted > filesystem", "give us a Real Shell", etc.). While this sounds good in practive, when some representatives from the 'Research Community' (my boss was at this meeting) met with Microsoft to ask them about their support for 'researchy' type things, the response was essentially: "The market is in business applications. We aren't going to support you since we don't have to. You will be forced to use our product because of market pressure, not technical reasons." M$ was *not* interested in providing any sort of support (both in terms of development tools and/or OS support) for things the research community deems important. And, recently the Digital folks admitted that if you 'need 24/day 365/yr reliability' then NT is *NOT* the platform yet. But, they're certainly willing to sell you an OpenVMS box which will do the job until NT becomes more stable. [ FWIW - Digital Equipment is the #1 NT developer in the world. M$ is actually 3rd on the list. ] It's pretty hard to take m$ seriously about *anything* anymore when they lie and decieve the public on a regular basis. (See the recent NT server vs. workstation scandal). I don't fault the people who work for them, but I do fault management and the spin doctors for allowing the company to continue to reinforce the believe of m$ as the 'Evil Empire'. Heck, who needs to make up stories about bad things about m$ when they are perfectly willing to shoot themselves in the foot. And, what they say is true. 'What comes around goes around.' It's not a matter of "If" m$ is going to get dumped on it's head, but a manner of "When". Nate