From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 00:07:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA04791 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [204.214.4.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA04784 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from bonsai.hiwaay.net by fly.HiWAAY.net; (8.8.2/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-1003PM) id CAA17848; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 02:06:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <327C528E.31DFF4F5@hiwaay.net> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 02:06:38 -0600 From: Steve Price X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ola Persson CC: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ola Persson wrote: > > Yuck! American beer :/ Or imported beer that tastes like water anyways... > Ah, but you forget about us Americans (of German descent and proud of it) that brew their own beer. I have a batch (just brewed) that my friend and I have coined 'Black Cat'. If you like Bockbier, you will love this stuff. For ~$20 US, I can make any beer that you like. :) Although I don't know if the FBONE can transport SUDS packets as well, but I would hope that it would. :0 Steve > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > I Ola Persson I Tel. +46 (0)920 151 21 I > I Porsogarden 8:81 I WWW: http://www.ludd.luth.se/users/smurfen I > I 977 54 Lulea, Sweden I FreeBSD - Turns PC's into workstations I > ------------- Hiroshima 45 -- Tjernobyl 86 -- Windows 95 ------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 00:11:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA05071 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (root@zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05065 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sister.ludd.luth.se (sister.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA06485; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 09:11:48 +0100 Received: from localhost (smurfen@localhost) by sister.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA00504; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 09:11:47 +0100 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 09:11:47 +0100 (MET) From: Ola Persson To: Amancio Hasty cc: Bill Fenner , Joerg Wunsch , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... In-Reply-To: <199611030747.XAA00511@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Okay, Bacardi 150 proof (Puerto Rican Rum) Why why WHY do you guys use 'proof' as a measure of alcoholic content.. I have always wondered.... And is it exacty twice as much as ? cheers! /Ola From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 00:24:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA05900 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05894 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01519; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:24:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611030824.AAA01519@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Ola Persson cc: Bill Fenner , Joerg Wunsch , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Nov 1996 09:11:47 +0100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 00:24:04 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Ola Persson : > > On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Okay, Bacardi 150 proof (Puerto Rican Rum) > > Why why WHY do you guys use 'proof' as a measure of alcoholic content.. I > have always wondered.... And is it exacty twice as much as ? > > Thats the funny thing I can never seem to remember 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 00:40:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA06849 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA06842 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA02915; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:41:19 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:41:18 -0800 (PST) From: Veggy Vinny To: Amancio Hasty cc: Ola Persson , Bill Fenner , Joerg Wunsch , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... In-Reply-To: <199611030824.AAA01519@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 3 Nov 1996, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Okay, Bacardi 150 proof (Puerto Rican Rum) > > > > Why why WHY do you guys use 'proof' as a measure of alcoholic content.. I > > have always wondered.... And is it exacty twice as much as ? > > Thats the funny thing I can never seem to remember 8) I think Proof is actually just double the % of alcohol. Vince GaiaNet Corporation - Unix Networking Operations - GUS Mailing Lists Admin From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 01:50:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA11147 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA11139 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA08453; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 20:20:16 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199611030950.UAA08453@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... To: hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Tim Vanderhoek) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 20:20:15 +1030 (CST) Cc: jack@diamond.xtalwind.net, obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tim Vanderhoek" at Nov 3, 96 02:02:40 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tim Vanderhoek stands accused of saying: > > > > > But has anyone thought of the security implications of either SFTP or the > > > DTP? Could someone put mushrooms in my spaghetti in route??? Yuck! :-) *snort* Now _that_ has potential 8) > > Not to worry, you'll have the option of either DES or PGP encryption. > > So does this mean the food would have to be made outside of the US, > then sent to the US, and then SFTP'd to all those German hackers? Nooo, it just means that Taiwanese food vendors would be prohibited from dumping their low-cost food on the US market to protect McDonalds and its margins. (cf. Hyundai etc.) Menus would continue to be unreadable, as they are in any good eating establishment already. > (Not to neglect the Australian who started this, I think) I'd be more worried that the nominated food protocols would suffer from latency, so that either I'd get dessert first, or worse, everything would end up queued in a Cr^Hisco somewhere and arrive cold. Foodagram fragmentation also raises some questions; how does one reassaemble, say, a souffle after it has been fragmented en route? -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 01:51:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA11209 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:51:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA11200 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA12721 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 10:51:25 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA24890 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 10:51:24 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id KAA12596 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 10:28:39 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611030928.KAA12596@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 10:28:38 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611030457.EAA04901@kongur> from "obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu" at "Nov 2, 96 08:57:03 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu wrote: > But has anyone thought of the security implications of either SFTP or the > DTP? Could someone put mushrooms in my spaghetti in route??? Yuck! :-) There's an SSFTP in preparation (secure SFTP), i believe. The food simply gets scrambled, each piece marked with an MD5 checksum, and the receiver takes care to only reassemble the appropriate pieces. I seem to remember that Phil Zimmerman was also working on a PGP extension for branding the dinner before sending it on transport. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 08:21:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA03065 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 08:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03051 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 08:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (tom@caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09756; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 11:22:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 11:21:07 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: Ola Persson cc: Amancio Hasty , Bill Fenner , Joerg Wunsch , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Why why WHY do you guys use 'proof' as a measure of alcoholic content.. I > have always wondered.... And is it exacty twice as much as ? Back in the olden days of door to door liqour salesman, a common question was "Show me your proof" at which time a bottle would be uncapped and setafire to prove the presence of alcohol. +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 08:55:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06498 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 08:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (slc123.modem.xmission.com [204.228.136.123]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06485 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 08:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA09477; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 10:59:24 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 10:59:24 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611031759.KAA09477@obie.softweyr.com> From: Wes Peters To: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: /var/mail (was: re: Help, permission problems...) In-Reply-To: References: <199610302213.QAA26662@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Marc G. Fournier qouted: > Give me an account on your system, then remove your mail box, and I will > happily demonstrate what a pain in the ass it is when you stop receiving > mail because some jackass decides to "touch /var/mail/scrappy" Yeah, Security Toolkit checked this, reported any mail files not owned by their rightful owner, as well as "orphaned" mail files. The mail spool security check would produce a script that would restore correct ownership to all mail files, create a 0-length mail file for every user that didn't already have a mail file, and remove all orphans. (Orphans can contribute to a denial of service attack; they consume unneeded space in the mail spool filesystem). -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 09:46:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA10154 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 09:46:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10145 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 09:46:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.xtalwind.net (slipper6b.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.62]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA07955 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 09:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.xtalwind.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id MAA18008; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 12:44:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 12:44:51 -0500 (EST) From: jack X-Sender: jack@localhost To: Tim Vanderhoek cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 3 Nov 1996, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > > But has anyone thought of the security implications of either SFTP or the > > > DTP? Could someone put mushrooms in my spaghetti in route??? Yuck! :-) > > > > Not to worry, you'll have the option of either DES or PGP encryption. > > So does this mean the food would have to be made outside of the US, > then sent to the US, and then SFTP'd to all those German hackers? No. Controlled foods originating in and destined for North America would use DES all others would use international PGP. That allows for DoD controls over the foods that it has classified as munitions. Just think of the danger to national security if a Swiss hacker were to get some cheese, or an order of borst were to end up in Russia. > Do they have pizza in Germany? ;) I wouldn't know. > (Not to neglect the Australian who started this, I think) As I understand it all, border routers are being programmed to block any packets containing vegamite. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@onyx.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 11:56:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18316 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 11:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from spinner.DIALix.COM (root@spinner.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18301 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 11:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from spinner.DIALix.COM (peter@localhost.DIALix.oz.au [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.DIALix.COM (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id DAA27948 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 03:55:41 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: <199611031955.DAA27948@spinner.DIALix.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Heh.. Now I've seen everything... Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 03:55:41 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was rummaging through one of our squid cache's logs and stats and this happened to catch my eye.. http://members.gnn.com/mkyle1274/images/devilwmn.gif Now I've seen it all.. :-) -Peter From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 12:02:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA18706 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 12:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdev.usn.blaze.net.au (sdev.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18693 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 12:01:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from davidn@localhost) by sdev.usn.blaze.net.au (8.7.6/8.6.9) id HAA07266; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 07:00:26 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199611032000.HAA07266@sdev.usn.blaze.net.au> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 07:00:25 +1100 From: davidn@sdev.usn.blaze.net.au (David Nugent) To: jack@diamond.xtalwind.net (jack) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=VgGw2x6xwZIg34kO In-Reply-To: ; from jack on Nov 3, 1996 12:44:51 -0500 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --VgGw2x6xwZIg34kO jack writes: > > So does this mean the food would have to be made outside of the US, > > then sent to the US, and then SFTP'd to all those German hackers? > > No. Controlled foods originating in and destined for North America would > use DES all others would use international PGP. That allows for DoD > controls over the foods that it has classified as munitions. Just think > of the danger to national security if a Swiss hacker were to get some > cheese, or an order of borst were to end up in Russia. Damn. Which of course means that the Americans can't exchange food with the rest of the world unless they get an export license. > > Do they have pizza in Germany? ;) > I wouldn't know. Of COURSE they do! Otherwise programmers would have migrated from there long since, having no material for basic subsistance. > > (Not to neglect the Australian who started this, I think) > > As I understand it all, border routers are being programmed to block > any packets containing vegamite. That's vegEmite, of you don't mind! :-) And I'd definitely call that a prejudice, so I'm not going to send you any shimps for the barby (does anyone "chuck a shrimp on the barby"? Never heard of barbequed shrimp myself ;-)). Cheers, David Nugent, Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn --VgGw2x6xwZIg34kO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBMnv8tK0PLjnMZgUtAQEo2QP/Z5BLy3KiunW84SWs8TqToL02WOEwmFFS 0/xfMD56fWQ71Sq2nHSgP4CzTTG5LYzujB39d9GrueM8B5vNy0F/ijTkmCGJQc/W XB3N/hS9O+QqWbRVWctAsIlInRL85++LPpDkC6xR2HwBrhGHnpv69H2cxN5vv5Au XgS7SQSv5J8= =+CCI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VgGw2x6xwZIg34kO-- From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 12:05:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA18832 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 12:05:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18827 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 12:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08688; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 12:04:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611032004.MAA08688@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Peter Wemm cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Heh.. Now I've seen everything... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 Nov 1996 03:55:41 +0800." <199611031955.DAA27948@spinner.DIALix.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 12:04:56 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Peter Wemm : > I was rummaging through one of our squid cache's logs and stats and this > happened to catch my eye.. > > http://members.gnn.com/mkyle1274/images/devilwmn.gif > > Now I've seen it all.. :-) > > -Peter > > Most Cool! It works great on my PPRO 200mh 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 13:21:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA26128 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:21:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26118 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA06692; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:19:52 -0800 (PST) To: Amancio Hasty cc: Peter Wemm , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Heh.. Now I've seen everything... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Nov 1996 12:04:56 PST." <199611032004.MAA08688@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 13:19:52 -0800 Message-ID: <6690.847055992@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Most Cool! > > It works great on my PPRO 200mh 8) Uh, xv or squid? I wasn't aware that unpacking gif images took quite this amount of power, or were you just itching for some reason to talk about your new toy? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 13:22:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA26179 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26170 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA06677; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:18:48 -0800 (PST) To: Peter Wemm cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Heh.. Now I've seen everything... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 Nov 1996 03:55:41 +0800." <199611031955.DAA27948@spinner.DIALix.COM> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 13:18:48 -0800 Message-ID: <6674.847055928@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I was rummaging through one of our squid cache's logs and stats and this > happened to catch my eye.. > > http://members.gnn.com/mkyle1274/images/devilwmn.gif > > Now I've seen it all.. :-) Not until we get Tatsumi to make it more anatomically correct. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 13:32:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27089 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27080 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10656; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:32:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611032132.NAA10656@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Peter Wemm , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Heh.. Now I've seen everything... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Nov 1996 13:19:52 PST." <6690.847055992@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 13:32:25 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > > Most Cool! > > > > It works great on my PPRO 200mh 8) > > Uh, xv or squid? I wasn't aware that unpacking gif images took quite > this amount of power, or were you just itching for some reason to talk > about your new toy? :-) > > Jordan My "new" toy is pain in the butt when it comes to the matrox meteor. The reason that I mention my PPRO is that it makes a difference for fast display of animated images. Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 13:41:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28058 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:41:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28048 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA06828; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:38:48 -0800 (PST) To: Amancio Hasty cc: Peter Wemm , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Heh.. Now I've seen everything... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Nov 1996 13:32:25 PST." <199611032132.NAA10656@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 13:38:48 -0800 Message-ID: <6826.847057128@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > My "new" toy is pain in the butt when it comes to the matrox meteor. > The reason that I mention my PPRO is that it makes a difference for > fast display of animated images. Ah, which external viewer are you using? I wasn't aware that this was a gif87a animated GIF since xv just shows you a single image. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 13:46:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28355 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28348 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10721; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:46:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611032146.NAA10721@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Peter Wemm , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Heh.. Now I've seen everything... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Nov 1996 13:38:48 PST." <6826.847057128@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 13:46:16 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > > My "new" toy is pain in the butt when it comes to the matrox meteor. > > The reason that I mention my PPRO is that it makes a difference for > > fast display of animated images. > > Ah, which external viewer are you using? I wasn't aware that this was > a gif87a animated GIF since xv just shows you a single image. :) > > Jordan I have no idea :) I see flames coming out of the her and all I am using is netscape 3.0 . Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 13:48:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28693 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from spinner.DIALix.COM (root@spinner.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28677 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 13:48:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from spinner.DIALix.COM (peter@localhost.DIALix.oz.au [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.DIALix.COM (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id FAA05678; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 05:47:04 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: <199611032147.FAA05678@spinner.DIALix.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Amancio Hasty , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Heh.. Now I've seen everything... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Nov 1996 13:38:48 PST." <6826.847057128@time.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 05:47:04 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > My "new" toy is pain in the butt when it comes to the matrox meteor. > > The reason that I mention my PPRO is that it makes a difference for > > fast display of animated images. > > Ah, which external viewer are you using? I wasn't aware that this was > a gif87a animated GIF since xv just shows you a single image. :) I saw it with netscape while skim reading the list of objects "in-core" via squid's cgi based manager interface. Damn, those ttl's are tricky to get right. (oops, not ttl anymore.. it's refresh time now..) > Jordan Cheers, -Peter From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 14:39:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA04932 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:39:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04351 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:34:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15205(4)>; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:33:49 PST Received: by crevenia.parc.xerox.com id <177557>; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:33:45 -0800 From: Bill Fenner To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Poor connectivity to freebsd.org ... Message-Id: <96Nov3.143345pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:33:44 PST Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I know this comes up occasionally, but here it is again. I'm experiencing pretty bad loss through CRL to both wcarchive and freefall. Interestingly, the paths are different, implying that either CRL or MCI is confused. The path to freefall is: 3 paloalto-cr7.bbnplanet.net (131.119.26.41) 30.734 ms 29.428 ms 27.347 ms 4 paloalto-mci.bbnplanet.net (131.119.0.202) 32.157 ms 30.227 ms 29.911 ms 5 bordercore4-hssi0-0.SanFrancisco.mci.net (166.48.19.249) 39.666 ms 33.467 ms 31.616 ms 6 mae-east-nap.Washington.mci.net (204.70.1.214) 109.955 ms 118.960 ms 115.936 ms 7 mae-east-nap.Washington.mci.net (204.70.1.214) 113.201 ms 109.630 ms 107.709 ms 8 mae-e-1.e0.crl.com (192.41.177.104) 115.320 ms 117.094 ms 112.848 ms 9 gateway-sfo1.atm.us.crl.net (165.113.56.30) 818.783 ms * * 10 * E0-CRL-SFO-02-E0X0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.55.2) 693.770 ms * 11 T1-CDROM-00-EX.US.CRL.NET (165.113.118.2) 781.045 ms * * 12 freefall.FreeBSD.ORG (204.216.27.18) 812.247 ms 767.955 ms 736.962 ms Weird that it goes via mae-east. Interesting that it takes MCI ~80ms to get cross-country, and it takes CRL ~700ms (and lots of lost packets). --- freefall.freebsd.org ping statistics --- 42 packets transmitted, 14 packets received, 66% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 630.338/709.732/767.077 ms and 3 paloalto-cr7.bbnplanet.net (131.119.26.41) 29.500 ms 28.991 ms 27.637 ms 4 paloalto-mci.bbnplanet.net (131.119.0.202) 30.061 ms 30.525 ms 29.762 ms 5 bordercore4-hssi0-0.SanFrancisco.mci.net (166.48.19.249) 33.196 ms 30.608 ms 30.256 ms 6 mae-west-nap.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.1.14) 74.390 ms 69.798 ms 64.949 ms 7 mae-west-nap.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.1.14) 64.856 ms 65.071 ms 68.148 ms 8 * T3-CRL-SFO-01-H1/0.US.CRL.NET (198.32.136.10) 71.430 ms * 9 T3-CRL-SFO-01-H3/0.US.CRL.NET (149.20.64.19) 109.910 ms 115.390 ms 113.418 ms 10 wcarchive.cdrom.com (165.113.58.253) 116.339 ms 153.449 ms 165.374 ms A small but noticable jump in RTT's between the two CRL hops, and of course more lost packets. --- wcarchive.cdrom.com ping statistics --- 49 packets transmitted, 38 packets received, 22% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 78.840/185.960/267.531 ms Pretty high RTT variance there. Now, despite the network problems, I note that wcarchive is hitting its limit of 1200, so there must be *some* people getting through... (Or, maybe people keep hitting it in parallel because the performance is so bad...) Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 15:08:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA07849 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 15:08:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07731 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 15:08:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA09376; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 09:37:15 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199611032307.JAA09376@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... To: jack@diamond.xtalwind.net (jack) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 09:37:15 +1030 (CST) Cc: hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "jack" at Nov 3, 96 12:44:51 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jack stands accused of saying: > > > (Not to neglect the Australian who started this, I think) > > As I understand it all, border routers are being programmed to block > any packets containing vegamite. Excellent! A typo lets us rule the world 8) (And for those people out there whose tongues curl at the mention of Vegemite. remember, it's made from beer-production leftovers 8) > Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@onyx.xtalwind.net or -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 15:11:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA09585 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 15:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09576 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 15:11:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04225; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 18:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA12772; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 18:13:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: ac199 owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 18:13:09 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Steve Price cc: Ola Persson , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... In-Reply-To: <327C528E.31DFF4F5@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 3 Nov 1996, Steve Price wrote: > Ah, but you forget about us Americans (of German descent and proud of it) > that brew their own beer. I have a batch (just brewed) that my friend > and I have coined 'Black Cat'. If you like Bockbier, you will love this > stuff. For ~$20 US, I can make any beer that you like. :) Although I > don't know if the FBONE can transport SUDS packets as well, but I would > hope that it would. :0 Ahh, but this is no good. No we'll need a disclaimer, just like all those porn sites... "If you are under 19 years of age, you may not eat this packet." And then we'll need some translation built in at everytime the packet crosses a national border... 21 in the US, 19 in Canada, 99 in the Vatican, etc.. -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 15:15:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA09988 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 15:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09973 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 15:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04350; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 18:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA13505; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 18:16:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: ac199 owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 18:16:54 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: David Nugent cc: jack , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... In-Reply-To: <199611032000.HAA07266@sdev.usn.blaze.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, David Nugent wrote: > > > Do they have pizza in Germany? ;) > > I wouldn't know. > > Of COURSE they do! Otherwise programmers would have migrated from > there long since, having no material for basic subsistance. They could always call for take-out Chinese food from the US! (happy 50th, MIT)... Or, I guess that'd have to be delivery, not take-out... -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 16:13:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14291 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:13:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14274 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.6/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA24903; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:10:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611040010.QAA24903@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Bill Fenner cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poor connectivity to freebsd.org ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Nov 1996 14:33:44 PST." <96Nov3.143345pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 16:10:13 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I know this comes up occasionally, but here it is again. I'm experiencing >pretty bad loss through CRL to both wcarchive and freefall. Interestingly, >the paths are different, implying that either CRL or MCI is confused. ... >Now, despite the network problems, I note that wcarchive is hitting its >limit of 1200, so there must be *some* people getting through... (Or, maybe >people keep hitting it in parallel because the performance is so bad...) What can I say? "Yup." :-) I've sent email to the appropriate people about the problem. It looks like CRL's ATM connection to the PB-NAP is down. They've been having problems with an ATM card in their Cisco "losing sync", and I think they have to reset it whenever this happens. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 16:34:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA15420 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from hill.gnu.ai.mit.edu (hill.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.43]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15388 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by hill.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id TAA13891; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 19:31:02 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 19:31:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199611040031.TAA13891@hill.gnu.ai.mit.edu> From: Joel Ray Holveck To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, peter@spinner.DIALix.COM, chat@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <6826.847057128@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Heh.. Now I've seen everything... Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > My "new" toy is pain in the butt when it comes to the matrox meteor. > The reason that I mention my PPRO is that it makes a difference for > fast display of animated images. Ah, which external viewer are you using? I wasn't aware that this was a gif87a animated GIF since xv just shows you a single image. :) I thought that animated GIFs weren't added until 89a. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 18:25:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA28679 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 18:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28665 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 18:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA08522; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 18:24:55 -0800 (PST) To: Joel Ray Holveck cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, peter@spinner.DIALix.COM, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Heh.. Now I've seen everything... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Nov 1996 19:31:02 EST." <199611040031.TAA13891@hill.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 18:24:55 -0800 Message-ID: <8520.847074295@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ah, which external viewer are you using? I wasn't aware that this was > a gif87a animated GIF since xv just shows you a single image. :) > > I thought that animated GIFs weren't added until 89a. My memory isn't what it used to be - I pulled that number up at random. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 20:39:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA11561 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 20:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA11552 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 20:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15245(3)>; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 20:38:27 PST Received: by crevenia.parc.xerox.com id <177557>; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 20:38:25 -0800 From: Bill Fenner To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Take pity on me... Message-Id: <96Nov3.203825pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 20:38:23 PST Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I took out my Quantum 1080S to RMA it for the bad blocks that it's developing and continuing to not remap, so now I'm running Windows NT! AAARRRGH! Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 21:12:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15823 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA15805 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:12:34 -0800 (PST) From: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu Received: from kongur (kongur.cs.ucdavis.edu) by toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD.CS.2.6) id AA12174; Sun, 3 Nov 96 21:12:32 PST Received: by kongur (SMI-8.6/UCDCS.SECLAB.Solaris2-2.1) id FAA06029; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 05:12:32 GMT Message-Id: <199611040512.FAA06029@kongur> Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:12:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "jack" at Nov 3, 96 12:44:51 pm X-Pgp-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > But has anyone thought of the security implications of either SFTP or the > > > > DTP? Could someone put mushrooms in my spaghetti in route??? Yuck! :-) > > > > > > Not to worry, you'll have the option of either DES or PGP encryption. > > > > So does this mean the food would have to be made outside of the US, > > then sent to the US, and then SFTP'd to all those German hackers? > > No. Controlled foods originating in and destined for North America would > use DES all others would use international PGP. That allows for DoD > controls over the foods that it has classified as munitions. I'd just like to think nobody outside the US would even want to receive an MRE. Yea, that's how we will combat the international cracker problem -- flood their FROUTD servers with MRE's. Na.. those non-USA hackers are probably too smart for that. :-) [that's "Meals Ready to Eat" -- the pre-packaged, shrunk dried food that US military ground troops "get" to get] > > (Not to neglect the Australian who started this, I think) > > As I understand it all, border routers are being programmed to block > any packets containing vegamite. Yea, vegemite packets... that's how AUSCERT is going to combat their intruder problems... they've figure out how to tunnel them via other services. -- David (dawning flame protective suit... and who got my first taste last week of vegemit from my Australian suite mate.... different :-) ) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 21:14:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA16200 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:14:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16183 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06507; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:14:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611040514.VAA06507@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Bill Fenner cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Take pity on me... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Nov 1996 20:38:23 PST." <96Nov3.203825pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 21:14:50 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Bill Fenner : > I took out my Quantum 1080S to RMA it for the bad blocks that it's > developing and continuing to not remap, so now I'm running Windows NT! > AAARRRGH! > > Bill I can't take pity on you however I can lend you my 2 gig scsi drive 8) Oh, is good drive ... Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 21:25:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA18345 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (slc98.modem.xmission.com [204.228.136.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18322 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA10166; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 23:29:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 23:29:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611040629.XAA10166@obie.softweyr.com> From: Wes Peters To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... In-Reply-To: <199611032000.HAA07266@sdev.usn.blaze.net.au> References: <199611032000.HAA07266@sdev.usn.blaze.net.au> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Nugent writes: > That's vegEmite, of you don't mind! :-) > > And I'd definitely call that a prejudice, so I'm not going to > send you any shimps for the barby (does anyone "chuck a shrimp > on the barby"? Never heard of barbequed shrimp myself ;-)). Oh, and I thought that was a reference to keeping the little nerdy guy who writes device drivers in the dark corner of the lab happy. "Chuck another Barbie on the shrimp..." -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 21:26:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA18636 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:26:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from Mail.IDT.NET (mail.idt.net [198.4.75.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18610 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:26:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sequoia (ppp-22.ts-1.mlb.idt.net [169.132.71.22]) by Mail.IDT.NET (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA29085; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 00:26:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <327D7EAC.24B@mail.idt.net> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 00:27:08 -0500 From: Gary Corcoran Reply-To: garycorc@mail.idt.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joel Ray Holveck CC: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Heh.. Now I've seen everything... References: <199611040031.TAA13891@hill.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > > Ah, which external viewer are you using? I wasn't aware that this was > a gif87a animated GIF since xv just shows you a single image. :) > > I thought that animated GIFs weren't added until 89a. Nope. gif87a had animated GIFs too. Gary From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 21:58:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA24140 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (root@zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24127 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:58:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sister.ludd.luth.se (sister.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id GAA24725; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 06:58:40 +0100 Received: from localhost (smurfen@localhost) by sister.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id GAA17986; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 06:58:39 +0100 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 06:58:39 +0100 (MET) From: Ola Persson To: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... In-Reply-To: <199611040512.FAA06029@kongur> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 3 Nov 1996 obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu wrote: > [that's "Meals Ready to Eat" -- the pre-packaged, shrunk dried food that > US military ground troops "get" to get] And Swedish...... And I promise it tastes like shit.... We also have some white stuff that looks like chockolate but tastes like cardboard paper.. But they say it is nutritious and that's all you get for about a week so.... And NO, I did not get addicted to it and eat cardboard paper at home :) *grin* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I Ola Persson I Tel. +46 (0)920 151 21 I I Porsogarden 8:81 I WWW: http://www.ludd.luth.se/users/smurfen I I 977 54 Lulea, Sweden I FreeBSD - Turns PC's into workstations I ------------- Hiroshima 45 -- Tjernobyl 86 -- Windows 95 ------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 3 23:12:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA00727 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 23:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00719 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 23:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07189; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 23:12:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611040712.XAA07189@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Bill Fenner cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Take pity on me... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Nov 1996 20:38:23 PST." <96Nov3.203825pst.177557@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 23:12:25 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Bill Fenner : > I took out my Quantum 1080S to RMA it for the bad blocks that it's > developing and continuing to not remap, so now I'm running Windows NT! > AAARRRGH! > > Bill I got a Quantum 1080s is my second one and it is sitting on my pile of junk. Not sure what is wrong with this particular model but I went thru two of them in about 14months or so. Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 4 13:24:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA29061 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29054 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.2/8.7.5) id OAA29749; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 14:24:19 -0700 (MST) From: Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199611042124.OAA29749@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... To: smurfen@ludd.luth.se (Ola Persson) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 14:24:19 -0700 (MST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Ola Persson" at Nov 4, 96 06:58:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 3 Nov 1996 obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu wrote: > [that's "Meals Ready to Eat" -- the pre-packaged, shrunk dried food that > US military ground troops "get" to get] Or, as it is known to those ground troops, "Meals Rejected by Ethiopians." ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 4 13:39:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA00412 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00336; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.2/8.7.5) id OAA02053; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 14:38:44 -0700 (MST) From: Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199611042138.OAA02053@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: XFree86 3.2 Success story! To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 14:38:42 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A compatriot here at work recently bought a new Pentium system to run FreeBSD on. He's punted out of our workplace in Salt Lake City and moved his family to southern Florida, but will continue working for us via the internet. We develop embedded software for M68K systems running VxWorks, and have ported our GNU-based development environment from HP-UX to FreeBSD previously to use on laptop computers. Anyhow, he originally bought a Mach64 VGA with his new computer, but we (of course) had difficulty configuring it with the 2.1.5-R CD-ROM. He asked if he should consider getting another card, and I suggested anything with an S3 chip; I've always found XFree86 and FreeBSD easy to configure on my S3/805 board. Imagine my surprise when he returned with a Matrox card with a ViRGE+ chip on it! ($153 for 2Mb/PCI, at Software & More in SLC). I quickly surfed to www.freebsd.org, and then to www.xfree86.org. We grabbed the 3.2 installation kit for FreeBSD 2.1.5, dumped it on his system, ran XF86Setup, and he was up and running in 10 minutes (less FTP time). His system now handily beats our HP 9000/712 model 100s on graphics speed, and is close on compiling speed. (This is only a 100-mhz Pentium). We have CVS setup so he can access the source store here from his home in FL, or anywhere else for that matter. Great going, FreeBSD and XFree86! I'm leaving for another company in two weeks, currently doing VxWorks development on Windows NT. It shouldn't take long to convert them, once they discover they don't have to buy new hardware and the software is FREE. Wes Peters P.S. I don't follow any of the XF86 mail lists. If anyone knows of an appropriate mail list to forward this to, please do so. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 4 23:23:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA11879 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA11874 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA08505; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:24:18 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:24:16 -0800 (PST) From: Veggy Vinny To: Warner Losh cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/obj size In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Warner Losh wrote: > : On the topic of hard disks, what are the minimum requirements to > : run a FreeBSD machine as a news server with a full news feed in terms of > : CPU, memory, HD Storage and does it have to be on several HD instead of > : multiple large capacity drives such as 9 gig drives? > > You *REALLY* want to have the fastest net connect possible. T1 is > entry point for a full feed. You need to have at least 15G of disk, > but 25G is better if you want any kind of expire on it. I wouldn't > try it with less than 64M or 96M of physical memory and a P133. Well, we have a T1 already and trying to get another machine to act as the news server.... Current 4 machines are all Dual Pentium P5-100 with 128meg RAM and 9 gig Disk space. > For less than a full feed, less will and can do :-) So the new machine will probably be better but are you sure it takes 15G of disk but how long expires are we talking about? and also, anyone know what Walnut Creek/FreeBSD has for their storage for the newsserver? Vince GaiaNet Corporation - Unix Networking Operations - GUS Mailing Lists Admin From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 4 23:26:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA12062 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA12056 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:26:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 0.56 #1) id E0vKftv-0001Xz-00; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:26:23 -0700 To: Veggy Vinny Subject: Re: /usr/obj size Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 Nov 1996 23:24:16 PST." References: Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 00:26:22 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message Veggy Vinny writes: : On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Warner Losh wrote: Veggy, it isn't nice to reply to other peoples private mail, and cc a mailing list. They might not have wanted it public :-(. In this case, that wasn't the case, but others are quite a bit more sensitive than I am around here. : So the new machine will probably be better but are you sure it : takes 15G of disk but how long expires are we talking about? and also, : anyone know what Walnut Creek/FreeBSD has for their storage for the : newsserver? My brain tells me that once I heard that the local university had that much disk space on a farm of scsi disks. I could be misremembering. Warner From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 4 23:36:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA12661 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:36:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA12649 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA09317; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:37:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:37:58 -0800 (PST) From: Veggy Vinny To: Warner Losh cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/obj size In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Warner Losh wrote: > In message Veggy Vinny writes: > : On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Warner Losh wrote: > > Veggy, it isn't nice to reply to other peoples private mail, and cc a > mailing list. They might not have wanted it public :-(. In this > case, that wasn't the case, but others are quite a bit more sensitive > than I am around here. Sorry about that. I wasn't thinking when I hit the send button :-( > : So the new machine will probably be better but are you sure it > : takes 15G of disk but how long expires are we talking about? and also, > : anyone know what Walnut Creek/FreeBSD has for their storage for the > : newsserver? > > My brain tells me that once I heard that the local university had that > much disk space on a farm of scsi disks. I could be misremembering. Hmmm, speaking about farms of scsi disks... Is it better to have one big drive or multiple smaller drives for a newsserver? Vince GaiaNet Corporation - Unix Networking Operations - GUS Mailing Lists Admin From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 5 00:14:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA15386 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:14:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA15381 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:14:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA05925; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:16:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:16:43 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Veggy Vinny cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ricochet modem by Metricom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Veggy Vinny wrote: > I wonder if the Ricochet modems will be faster later on since the > modem can do up to 100kBps but if you're on the campus and only see 28.8k > then their claim isn't true. Don't forget: 1. Network overhead 2. Latency, latency, latency, and some lag, too > Oh okay.... The bad thing about the Ricochet is it doesn't have > enough lights. :) The Phase 2 modems have a red/green LED. Red when you power it on, blink green when it's acquired, blink yellow when connected. > Oh okay, do you know if you can use the Ricochet internet service > at all if you used the university service? If I paid for it, sure. But why would I pay for it?? :-) That's more of a software issue. > That's exactly what my building is made of so that's why my modem > is on top of my HP DeskJet 855c printer. :) What I wanted to know was > also if it was possible since I only have one FreeBSD machine now, if I > had my own class c address, could I just make my machine have two ip's, > one incoming from the ISP and one ip for my class c but all outgoing > packets will be from my class c address? 855c's, great printers. Just looking at the output, it's hard to tell the difference between it and the Laserjet 5P at work. :) You mean run a gateway of somesort? You will need NAT or a patch to FreeBSD to enable proxy. I don't have the URL for the proxy available at the moment. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 5 01:24:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA21018 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 01:24:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA21010 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 01:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA16034; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 01:25:46 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 01:25:44 -0800 (PST) From: Veggy Vinny To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ricochet modem by Metricom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Doug White wrote: > On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Veggy Vinny wrote: > > > I wonder if the Ricochet modems will be faster later on since the > > modem can do up to 100kBps but if you're on the campus and only see 28.8k > > then their claim isn't true. > > Don't forget: > > 1. Network overhead > 2. Latency, latency, latency, and some lag, too Ofcourse, somehow one thing is weird. I'm getting 3.6k/sec for transfers compared to 2.9k by modem but my typing is more lagging with the Ricochet. > > Oh okay.... The bad thing about the Ricochet is it doesn't have > > enough lights. > > :) > > The Phase 2 modems have a red/green LED. Red when you power it on, blink > green when it's acquired, blink yellow when connected. I know but I wished it had lights like my USR Courier Dual Standard v.everything does :-) > > Oh okay, do you know if you can use the Ricochet internet service > > at all if you used the university service? > > If I paid for it, sure. But why would I pay for it?? :-) That's more of > a software issue. Hmmmm, I don't think you really need software to use the Ricochet service since it's more of just changing the dial string :-) > 855c's, great printers. Just looking at the output, it's hard to tell the > difference between it and the Laserjet 5P at work. :) Yep, it was great until HP kept releasing like a dozen printers this year alone... > You mean run a gateway of somesort? You will need NAT or a patch to > FreeBSD to enable proxy. I don't have the URL for the proxy available at > the moment. yeah, because I wanted to be able to use my Win95 machine connected to this machine by Ethernet if possible so it would go directly to the net. Let me know if you have the URL when you find it. Thanks. Vince GaiaNet Corporation - Unix Networking Operations - GUS Mailing Lists Admin From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 5 11:40:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18239 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.pinpt.com (dns.pinpt.com [205.179.195.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18233 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from journeyman.pinpt.com (gatemaster.pinpt.com [205.179.195.65]) by dns.pinpt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA10357; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:41:28 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 11:23:40 Pacific Standard Time From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Subject: Re: Ricochet modem by Metricom To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, Veggy Vinny Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Chameleon ATX 6.0, Standards Based IntraNet Solutions, NetManage Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Oh okay, had you actually seen any of their antennas before? > > > > Yes. They are all over campus. Little black boxes on the roof. :) > > And we have a repeater outside my dorm here: a little white box with > > antenna hanging down attached to the light pole. > > The new phase modems have a larger antenna too which really helps > > connectivity. > > I wonder if the Ricochet modems will be faster later on since the > modem can do up to 100kBps but if you're on the campus and only see 28.8k > then their claim isn't true. According to the info I have on my Ricochet moden their _network_ is 100kbps, not the modems. So it is easy to get low speeds in an area where there are lots of modems sharing the same 100kbps channel. -Sean ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean J. Schluntz Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ Local Time Sent: 11/05/96 11:23:41 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 5 12:14:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA22052 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22038 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA06628; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:16:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:16:18 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Veggy Vinny cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ricochet modem by Metricom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just noticed I've been spamming the heck out of -chat :-) On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Veggy Vinny wrote: > > Don't forget: > > > > 1. Network overhead > > 2. Latency, latency, latency, and some lag, too > > Ofcourse, somehow one thing is weird. I'm getting 3.6k/sec for > transfers compared to 2.9k by modem but my typing is more lagging with the > Ricochet. That is a feature of the protocol. It's packet radio, so the modem has to bundle stuff up and send it. If you stream data, the system works much better since it doesn't require the acklowledgement/echo that interactive typing does. > > > Oh okay, do you know if you can use the Ricochet internet service > > > at all if you used the university service? > > > > If I paid for it, sure. But why would I pay for it?? :-) That's more of > > a software issue. > > Hmmmm, I don't think you really need software to use the Ricochet > service since it's more of just changing the dial string :-) And configuration.. > > You mean run a gateway of somesort? You will need NAT or a patch to > > FreeBSD to enable proxy. I don't have the URL for the proxy available at > > the moment. > > yeah, because I wanted to be able to use my Win95 machine > connected to this machine by Ethernet if possible so it would go directly > to the net. Let me know if you have the URL when you find it. Thanks. This should do it: http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~avalon/ This is IPFilter, the all in one IP filter and whatever package. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 5 14:03:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA28116 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28111 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:03:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA00006; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:02:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:02:52 -0800 (PST) From: Veggy Vinny To: "Sean J. Schluntz" cc: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ricochet modem by Metricom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Sean J. Schluntz wrote: > > > > Oh okay, had you actually seen any of their antennas before? > > > > > > Yes. They are all over campus. Little black boxes on the roof. :) > > > And we have a repeater outside my dorm here: a little white box with > > > antenna hanging down attached to the light pole. > > > The new phase modems have a larger antenna too which really helps > > > connectivity. > > > > I wonder if the Ricochet modems will be faster later on since the > > modem can do up to 100kBps but if you're on the campus and only see > 28.8k > > then their claim isn't true. > > According to the info I have on my Ricochet moden their _network_ is > 100kbps, not the modems. So it is easy to get low speeds in an area > where there are lots of modems sharing the same 100kbps channel. Hmmm, not according to what I understand. The modems are 100kBps for the data xfer but their network goes out of a T1. Vince GaiaNet Corporation - Unix Networking Operations - GUS Mailing Lists Admin From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 5 14:17:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29030 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29024 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA01331; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:18:37 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:18:35 -0800 (PST) From: Veggy Vinny To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ricochet modem by Metricom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Doug White wrote: > I just noticed I've been spamming the heck out of -chat :-) Oh well, I did it too :-) > > Ofcourse, somehow one thing is weird. I'm getting 3.6k/sec for > > transfers compared to 2.9k by modem but my typing is more lagging with the > > Ricochet. > > That is a feature of the protocol. It's packet radio, so the modem has to > bundle stuff up and send it. If you stream data, the system works much > better since it doesn't require the acklowledgement/echo that interactive > typing does. Hmmm, so they only mean performance for data transfers and not for telnet sessions? > > Hmmmm, I don't think you really need software to use the Ricochet > > service since it's more of just changing the dial string :-) > > And configuration.. There really isn't any configuration differences... > > > You mean run a gateway of somesort? You will need NAT or a patch to > > > FreeBSD to enable proxy. I don't have the URL for the proxy available at > > > the moment. > > > > yeah, because I wanted to be able to use my Win95 machine > > connected to this machine by Ethernet if possible so it would go directly > > to the net. Let me know if you have the URL when you find it. Thanks. > > This should do it: > > http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~avalon/ > > This is IPFilter, the all in one IP filter and whatever package. Oh okay, Thanks! :-) Vince GaiaNet Corporation - Unix Networking Operations - GUS Mailing Lists Admin From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 5 14:19:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA29363 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from dyson.iquest.net ([198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29348; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.2/8.6.9) id RAA01838; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:19:48 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199611052219.RAA01838@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Positive note on XFree86 To: chat@freebsd.org, rich@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:19:47 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: dyson@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just wanted to send out some positive "vibes": I just recompiled XFree86 3.2 on my machine and it was the most uneventful install of XFree86 ever. It performs great on my #9 771 and it really seems solid. I Pentium optimized it on the standard GCC 2.7.2.1 with the following C compiler optimizations: -O2 -malign-loops=0 -malign-jumps=0 Tell the XFree team: GREAT WORK!!! John From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 5 14:59:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA01505 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01487 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:59:02 -0800 (PST) From: hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02714; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03675; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:00:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:00:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199611052300.SAA03675@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca> X-Mailer: slnr v.2.13 as ported to FreeBSD To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: thinkpad 760ELD w/ 3com pcmcia 3c589 ins Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In Email, Doug White wrote: > > Hit 'Scroll Lock' and the up arrow key to see the boot messages. > > Never thought you'd use that key, eh? Personally, I was kinda disappointed that the Sys Rq key didn't do anything, since that one was supposed to be used on big important mainframes, and I'd kinda been thinking FreeBSD was that sorta OS! > -- tIM...HOEk The opinions expressed above are mine, and if my employer shares them, that's his hard luck. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 5 17:00:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA06488 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.pinpt.com (dns.pinpt.com [205.179.195.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA06483 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from journeyman.pinpt.com (gatemaster.pinpt.com [205.179.195.65]) by dns.pinpt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12371; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:00:44 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 16:47:15 Pacific Standard Time From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Subject: Re: Ricochet modem by Metricom To: "Sean J. Schluntz" , Veggy Vinny Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu X-Mailer: Chameleon ATX 6.0, Standards Based IntraNet Solutions, NetManage Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > Oh okay, had you actually seen any of their antennas > > > > Yes. They are all over campus. Little black boxes on the roof. :) > > > > And we have a repeater outside my dorm here: a little white box > > > > antenna hanging down attached to the light pole. > > > > The new phase modems have a larger antenna too which really helps > > > > connectivity. > > > I wonder if the Ricochet modems will be faster later on since the > > > modem can do up to 100kBps but if you're on the campus and only see > > 28.8k > > > then their claim isn't true. > > > > According to the info I have on my Ricochet moden their _network_ is > > 100kbps, not the modems. So it is easy to get low speeds in an area > > where there are lots of modems sharing the same 100kbps channel. > > Hmmm, not according to what I understand. The modems are 100kBps > for the data xfer but their network goes out of a T1. Now this is only what I understand from what the tech over at Metrocom told me and the paperwork I got on it before I signed up but: They have a T1 connection to the internet. Their cluster hubs could transmit data faster than the standard antennas to bounce data (They were not to specific, but it sounded like ISDN connections to me). Their area networks (Hopping from ministation to ministation) was a 100kbps network that they were going to expand. The more people on the 100kbps network the slower each one of them would be (The water down a hose with holes idea.) But it's not a 100kbps network for the whole bay, its smaller areas so that they do not impact each other. I am lucky to get 9600bps on mine in down town San Jose. I went to a con where I saw a few people with them and a telnet session I was using was going more like 2400bps. Once again, this is just from the info a friend and I were able to get out of their techs when we called about speed problems. -Sean ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean J. Schluntz Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ Local Time Sent: 11/05/96 16:47:15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 5 17:25:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA07386 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA07381 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA14779; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:26:25 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:26:24 -0800 (PST) From: Veggy Vinny To: "Sean J. Schluntz" cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: Ricochet modem by Metricom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Sean J. Schluntz wrote: > > Hmmm, not according to what I understand. The modems are 100kBps > > for the data xfer but their network goes out of a T1. > > Now this is only what I understand from what the tech over at Metrocom > told me and the paperwork I got on it before I signed up but: > > They have a T1 connection to the internet. Their cluster hubs could > transmit data faster than the standard antennas to bounce data (They were > not to specific, but it sounded like ISDN connections to me). Their area > networks (Hopping from ministation to ministation) was a 100kbps network > that they were going to expand. The more people on the 100kbps network > the slower each one of them would be (The water down a hose with holes > idea.) > > But it's not a 100kbps network for the whole bay, its smaller areas so > that they do not impact each other. I am lucky to get 9600bps on mine in > down town San Jose. I went to a con where I saw a few people with them > and a telnet session I was using was going more like 2400bps. > > Once again, this is just from the info a friend and I were able to get > out of their techs when we called about speed problems. From what they told me, both tech support and also the UC Berkeley on campus demonstration, it's the modem has a raw data rate of 100kBps but the modem does about 28.8k performance. Then each small group of receivers connect to Metricom on a T1 then the Metricom connection to the net via AlterNet/UUNet is what I don't know... I'm in Chinatown San Francisco and I get about 36kBps throughput... Their techs aren't very informative it seems about their service. Vince GaiaNet Corporation - Unix Networking Operations - GUS Mailing Lists Admin From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 5 20:08:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA13821 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 20:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13811 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 20:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA16404; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 20:08:14 -0800 (PST) To: hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca cc: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: thinkpad 760ELD w/ 3com pcmcia 3c589 ins In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 Nov 1996 18:00:27 EST." <199611052300.SAA03675@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 20:08:14 -0800 Message-ID: <16402.847253294@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Personally, I was kinda disappointed that the Sys Rq key didn't do > anything, since that one was supposed to be used on big important > mainframes, and I'd kinda been thinking FreeBSD was that sorta OS! Maybe if you had a good suggestion for what the stupid key is even supposed to do? They are remappable, BTW - you don't need to have a given key perform a specific function, and if you wanted, say, the system to drop into the kernel debugger every time you hit ESC, well, that's an easy thing to put in your keymap. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 5 20:29:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA14795 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 20:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA14789 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 20:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23100; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA17368; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:31:42 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: ac199 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:31:41 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca, dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: thinkpad 760ELD w/ 3com pcmcia 3c589 ins In-Reply-To: <16402.847253294@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Personally, I was kinda disappointed that the Sys Rq key didn't do > > anything, since that one was supposed to be used on big important > > mainframes, and I'd kinda been thinking FreeBSD was that sorta OS! > > Maybe if you had a good suggestion for what the stupid key is even > supposed to do? Maybe scroll some message across the screen... "FreeBSD is a mainframe OS!" :) I've never even known what it stands for, to be fair, though... ("SYStems ReQuired"? "SYStems bReaQ"? "SYStem wReck"?) > They are remappable, BTW - you don't need to have a given key perform > a specific function, and if you wanted, say, the system to drop into > the kernel debugger every time you hit ESC, well, that's an easy thing > to put in your keymap. :-) Kernel debugger ... vi command mode -- what's the difference? ;) -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 5 23:58:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA27717 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA27704; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id IAA14655; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:51:38 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA06173; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:51:37 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id IAA00541; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:39:43 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611060739.IAA00541@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Positive note on XFree86 To: dyson@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:39:43 +0100 (MET) Cc: chat@freebsd.org, rich@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199611052219.RAA01838@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at "Nov 5, 96 05:19:47 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As John S. Dyson wrote: > I just recompiled XFree86 3.2 on my machine and it was the most > uneventful install of XFree86 ever. It performs great on my > #9 771 and it really seems solid. I Pentium optimized it on the > standard GCC 2.7.2.1 with the following C compiler optimizations: Btw., have you also tried the new XF86Setup? > Tell the XFree team: GREAT WORK!!! Done. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 6 00:55:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA02834 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 00:55:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA02729 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 00:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA17291; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:51:35 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA06477; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:51:34 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id JAA01343; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:43:15 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611060843.JAA01343@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: thinkpad 760ELD w/ 3com pcmcia 3c589 ins To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:43:15 +0100 (MET) Cc: hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca, dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from Tim Vanderhoek at "Nov 5, 96 11:31:41 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > I've never even known what it stands for, to be fair, though... ("SYStems > ReQuired"? "SYStems bReaQ"? "SYStem wReck"?) Btw., mine is labelled "S-Abf", in some generous attitude of someone who's been tranlating all of this stuff into German... The worst is however the "Control" key, somebody translated this into "Steuerung", and abbreviated it to "Strg", so that people now constantly refer to it as "Die String-Taste" ("The string key"). :-/ > Kernel debugger ... vi command mode -- what's the difference? ;) At least some of the syscons keymaps map it into a DDB request. Nothing of historical dimension happens in pcvt though, it simply sends out a NULL character. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 6 01:49:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA06979 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 01:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (glacier-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA06971 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 01:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from erigate.ericsson.se (erigate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.3]) by glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.7.5/8.7.3/glacier-0.9) with SMTP id KAA10082 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:49:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from gaer16.ericsson.se by erigate.ericsson.se (4.1/LME-2.2.4) id AA11604; Wed, 6 Nov 96 10:49:03 +0100 Received: from gap840 (150.132.14.74) by gaer16.ericsson.se (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Wed, 06 Nov 1996 10:50:30 +0100 Message-Id: <32805F68.4EF4@gaer16.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 10:50:32 +0100 From: Daniel Eriksson Reply-To: eradaer@gaer16.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Radio Systems AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... References: <01IBISSIV5XU90NXJN@edt.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu wrote: > [that's "Meals Ready to Eat" -- the pre-packaged, shrunk dried food that > US military ground troops "get" to get] [off topic alert] There are MREs and there are MREs. The shrunk-dried MREs are mostly used in survival-situations and when you must keep the load as light as possible. They usually tastes like shit and upsets your stomach, but they provides the nutrition and enery needed to continue. Next comes the MREs that are based on canned food. Most MREs I've tried doesn't even deserve to be called food (f.e. the german MREs), but there are a few exceptions. The french MREs, and especially their #1 (of 14?) with the small bottle of wine, can be rather tasty. I've never had the privilege(?) to taste american MREs since we had no american ground-troops in Bosnia when I served there. In any case, who would want to transmit MREs over the net anyway? :-) -- Daniel Eriksson, eradaer@gaer16.ericsson.se From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 6 02:20:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA08880 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 02:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (root@zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA08832 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 02:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sister.ludd.luth.se (sister.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA29419; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:19:50 +0100 Received: from localhost (smurfen@localhost) by sister.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA22454; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:19:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:19:49 +0100 (MET) From: Ola Persson To: Daniel Eriksson cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... In-Reply-To: <32805F68.4EF4@gaer16.ericsson.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Daniel Eriksson wrote: > [off topic alert] > > There are MREs and there are MREs. The shrunk-dried MREs are mostly > used in survival-situations and when you must keep the load as light > as possible. They usually tastes like shit and upsets your stomach, > but they provides the nutrition and enery needed to continue. The MRE's you get in the Swedish Army when you serve really sucks though we had a 2 week survivial camp living on that shit, I tell ya it sucks :) /Ola who was forced to do 12 months in the Swedish Royal Airforce... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I Ola Persson I Tel. +46 (0)920 151 21 I I Porsogarden 8:81 I WWW: http://www.ludd.luth.se/users/smurfen I I 977 54 Lulea, Sweden I FreeBSD - Turns PC's into workstations I ------------- Hiroshima 45 -- Tjernobyl 86 -- Windows 95 ------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 6 06:28:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA21704 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 06:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA21696 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 06:28:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.2]) by horst.bfd.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA06195; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 06:28:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 06:28:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" X-Sender: ejs@harlie To: Daniel Eriksson cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... In-Reply-To: <32805F68.4EF4@gaer16.ericsson.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Daniel Eriksson wrote: > In any case, who would want to transmit MREs over the net anyway? :-) I think that this is a case where we would want content controlled compression algorithms. MRE's should get a very lossy compression algorithm (might even taste better that way), while good stuff should get lossless compression. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 6 08:14:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA28535 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from samiam.cpicorp.com (samiam.cpicorp.com [204.233.170.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28530 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from samiam.cpicorp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by samiam.cpicorp.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22749 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:16:16 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199611061616.KAA22749@samiam.cpicorp.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Positive note on XFree86 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 Nov 1996 17:19:47 EST." <199611052219.RAA01838@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 10:16:16 -0600 From: Bryan Koen Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Just wanted to send out some positive "vibes": > > I just recompiled XFree86 3.2 on my machine and it was the most > uneventful install of XFree86 ever. It performs great on my > #9 771 and it really seems solid. I Pentium optimized it on the > standard GCC 2.7.2.1 with the following C compiler optimizations: > > -O2 -malign-loops=0 -malign-jumps=0 > > Tell the XFree team: GREAT WORK!!! > > John Is there a FAQ available on the in's and out's of configuring and compiling Xfree86? I am wanting to build it on a TI Extensa laptop. Thanks, Bryan Koen From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 6 09:27:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA05486 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05478 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.2/8.7.5) id KAA00752 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:27:12 -0700 (MST) From: Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199611061727.KAA00752@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: Positive note on XFree86 To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:27:11 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <199611061616.KAA22749@samiam.cpicorp.com> from "Bryan Koen" at Nov 6, 96 10:16:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I Pentium optimized it on the > standard GCC 2.7.2.1 with the following C compiler optimizations: > > -O2 -malign-loops=0 -malign-jumps=0 Why, exactly, are you *maligning* loops and jumps? They seem like like perfectly normal programming constructs to me. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 6 09:28:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA05612 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.pinpt.com (dns.pinpt.com [205.179.195.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05600 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from journeyman.pinpt.com (gatemaster.pinpt.com [205.179.195.65]) by dns.pinpt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA14817; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:29:15 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 09:20:34 Pacific Standard Time From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Subject: Re: Ricochet modem by Metricom To: "Sean J. Schluntz" , Veggy Vinny Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu X-Mailer: Chameleon ATX 6.0, Standards Based IntraNet Solutions, NetManage Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hmmm, not according to what I understand. The modems are 100kBps > > > for the data xfer but their network goes out of a T1. > > > > Now this is only what I understand from what the tech over at Metrocom > > told me and the paperwork I got on it before I signed up but: > > Once again, this is just from the info a friend and I were able to get > > out of their techs when we called about speed problems. > From what they told me, both tech support and also the UC Berkeley > on campus demonstration, it's the modem has a raw data rate of 100kBps but > the modem does about 28.8k performance. Then each small group of > receivers connect to Metricom on a T1 then the Metricom connection to the > net via AlterNet/UUNet is what I don't know... I'm in Chinatown San > Francisco and I get about 36kBps throughput... Their techs aren't very > informative it seems about their service. Hmm, I think I'm going to look into it again. Thanks for the info, I think it's time to find the white paper on the project. *g* (36kbps? Man, maby I should move out there! *g*) -Sean ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean J. Schluntz Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ Local Time Sent: 11/06/96 09:20:35 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 6 10:35:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00625 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:35:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00577 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA13757 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:50:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.2]) by horst.bfd.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07250; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:48:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:48:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" X-Sender: ejs@harlie To: Softweyr LLC cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Positive note on XFree86 In-Reply-To: <199611061727.KAA00752@xmission.xmission.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Softweyr LLC wrote: > > I Pentium optimized it on the > > standard GCC 2.7.2.1 with the following C compiler optimizations: > > > > -O2 -malign-loops=0 -malign-jumps=0 > > Why, exactly, are you *maligning* loops and jumps? They seem like like > perfectly normal programming constructs to me. ;^) When compiling with -m486, gcc pads loop and other program structures to better take advantage of the 486 cache and memory interface. The P5 cache and memory interface doesn't benefit from this, so he's turning it back off. Of course, I could be partially or even totally wrong. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 6 13:40:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27773 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27768 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA07493; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:39:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:39:34 -0800 (PST) From: Veggy Vinny To: "Sean J. Schluntz" cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: Ricochet modem by Metricom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Sean J. Schluntz wrote: > Hmm, I think I'm going to look into it again. Thanks for the info, I > think it's time to find the white paper on the project. *g* > > (36kbps? Man, maby I should move out there! *g*) Actually, they have a packet of info if you called them for it. Last night, I was testing a telnet session from Win95 and a telnet session from FreeBSD using the same Ricochet modem and something funny, at the same speed for data transfers of 3.6k/sec, there is no lag in the telnet in Win95 while there is lag in FreeBSD, anyone have any ideas about why this is happening and it's on the same computer. Vince GaiaNet Corporation - Unix Networking Operations - GUS Mailing Lists Admin From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 6 14:23:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA01478 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01469 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA05071; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:52:26 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199611062222.IAA05071@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Positive note on XFree86 To: ejs@bfd.com (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:52:25 +1030 (CST) Cc: softweyr@xmission.com, chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Eric J. Schwertfeger" at Nov 6, 96 09:48:29 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eric J. Schwertfeger stands accused of saying: > > > > Why, exactly, are you *maligning* loops and jumps? They seem like like > > perfectly normal programming constructs to me. ;^) I think it has to do with Bruce's straight-forward views on program execution... <...blah...> > Of course, I could be partially or even totally wrong. No, just totally humourless 8) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 6 15:11:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA06260 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06253 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov (daemon@cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.101]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA29911 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:11:12 GMT Received: from auk.fsl.noaa.gov by cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov with SMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA064861871; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:11:11 GMT Message-Id: <32811B66.22BC@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 16:12:38 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/725) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: 2nd Conference on Freely Redistributal Software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just realized that abstracts for the 2nd Conference on Freely Redistributal Software are due this Friday, 8 Nov 96. Is anyone "doing their part" to have FreeBSD represented? I could whip up an experience report of some sort on short notice, but I think it'd be better if more technical people presented some of FreeBSD's shining technology, etc. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 6 16:04:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA09587 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09518 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA05548; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:33:46 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199611070003.KAA05548@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 2nd Conference on Freely Redistributal Software To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:33:45 +1030 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <32811B66.22BC@fsl.noaa.gov> from "Sean Kelly" at Nov 6, 96 04:12:38 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sean Kelly stands accused of saying: > > I just realized that abstracts for the 2nd Conference on Freely > Redistributal Software are due this Friday, 8 Nov 96. > > Is anyone "doing their part" to have FreeBSD represented? Jeffrey Hsu asked me or Sean to talk about the DOS emulation stuff; I haven't heard a peep out of Sean, and I'm on the wrong continent (and regardless, haven't had the time to actually do anything about it). Nevertheless, I consider this a personal failing. Sorry 8( -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 6 22:40:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA04076 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:40:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04071 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA25389; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:40:21 -0800 (PST) To: Sean Kelly cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2nd Conference on Freely Redistributal Software In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 Nov 1996 16:12:38 MST." <32811B66.22BC@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 22:40:21 -0800 Message-ID: <25387.847348821@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I just realized that abstracts for the 2nd Conference on Freely > Redistributal Software are due this Friday, 8 Nov 96. > > Is anyone "doing their part" to have FreeBSD represented? I think between COMDEX and USENIX, we're just tapped out this year. I don't plan on submitting any papers to this one and I don't think that anyone else is, either. I'm not even planning to attend. That's just one conference too many in the same 3 month period. :-( Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 7 14:59:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA25741 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25736 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:59:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.2/8.7.5) id PAA07718; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:58:54 -0700 (MST) From: Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199611072258.PAA07718@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: XFree86 3.2 Success story! (fwd) To: A.C.Aitchison@pmms.cam.ac.uk (Dr Andrew C Aitchison) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:58:54 -0700 (MST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Dr Andrew C Aitchison" at Nov 5, 96 09:17:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In an earlier note in freebsd-chat, I blathered: % configure on my S3/805 board. Imagine my surprise when he returned % with a Matrox card with a ViRGE+ chip on it! ($153 for 2Mb/PCI, at % Software & More in SLC). Andrew Aitchison of XFree86.org replied: > Are you sure it was a Matrox card and a ViRGE+ chip ? I'm on the > Matrox Xfree86 team, and I thought Matrox only used their own chip > designs ? Uh, no. Sorry, must have had some synapses mis-firing. It is a Diamond Stealth 2000 3D card. I am still very impressed with the speed of this card, considering the price. I'm going to buy one with my next computer, in a few weeks. Then I'll anxiously await XFree86 support for accelerated PEX on it. Maybe it's time to learn more about the internals of PEX? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 8 02:13:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA22709 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 02:13:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA22674 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 02:13:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA26601; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:12:54 +0100 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: [alt.humor.best-of-usenet] [comp.lang.pascal.delphi.databases] Re: Got Problems??? From: Thomas Gellekum Date: 08 Nov 1996 11:12:52 +0100 Message-ID: <873eykj3ob.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Lines: 72 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.25/XEmacs 19.14 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is simply too good. If you're the type who gets offended by fortune's sexually explicit fortunes you should hit 'n' now... tg ------- Start of forwarded message ------- From: Tom Phoenix Newsgroups: alt.humor.best-of-usenet Subject: [comp.lang.pascal.delphi.databases] Re: Got Problems??? Followup-To: alt.humor.best-of-usenet.d Date: 6 Nov 1996 07:01:42 GMT Organization: best of usenet humor Message-ID: <55pd4m$jvu@darkstar.ucsc.edu> From: "Albert D. Cahalan" Subject: Re: Got Problems??? Newsgroups: comp.lang.pascal.delphi.databases, comp.lang.pascal.delphi.misc David Moles writes: > Nathan Denny wrote: >> >> WHAT THE F**K!?!?!? >> >> Look at where that got posted! Like every development news group got >> hit by that. >> >> Blam! >> >> Nate:SCHCATS! > > It's all over comp.sys, too. Of course. They think all the computer hackers can't get a date. 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To write to the moderators, send mail to ahbou-mod@acpub.duke.edu. ------- End of forwarded message ------- From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 8 08:36:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA20893 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 08:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20877 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 08:36:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04390 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 08:36:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611081636.IAA04390@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Dont Aim that WebTv Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 08:36:06 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "US Classifies WebTv's set boxes as Weapons needing Export License" Curious as to how the Clinton administration is going to handle this one 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 9 07:08:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA02769 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 1996 07:08:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.hsc.wvu.edu (www.hsc.wvu.edu [157.182.105.122]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02763 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 1996 07:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jsigmon@localhost) by www.hsc.wvu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA09646; Sat, 9 Nov 1996 10:09:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 10:09:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Sigmon To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Hyper-G server Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone running this server? My boss has me looking at it and thankfully it has a port to FreeBSD-2.1.0-RELEASE. Any complaints about it? http://www.hyperwave.com ====================================================================== Jeremy Sigmon B.S. ChE | Web Developer of the Robert C. Byrd Health | Use Sciences Center of West Virginia University | FreeBSD WWW.HSC.WVU.EDU | Now Graduate Student in Computer Science | Office : 293-1060 |