From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 10 17:48:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA05096 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 17:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05091 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 17:48:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA27262 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 17:47:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous216.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.216]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA24214; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 02:38:48 +0100 Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA03398; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 02:04:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 02:04:12 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider Message-Id: <199611110104.CAA03398@campa.panke.de> To: Jeremy Sigmon Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Hyper-G server In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jeremy Sigmon writes: >Anyone running this server? Yes. >My boss has me looking at it and thankfully it has a port to >FreeBSD-2.1.0-RELEASE. Any complaints about it? It is slow for changes or new documents due the incremental full text server. >http://www.hyperwave.com Wolfram From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 11 11:01:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02963 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02894 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with UUCP id TAA21430; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:30:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id WAA01827; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:53:43 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:53:42 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: Jeremy Sigmon cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hyper-G server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-try-apsfilter: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz X-Fax: +49 2137 2018 X-Phone: +49 2137 2020 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 9 Nov 1996, Jeremy Sigmon wrote: > Anyone running this server? > My boss has me looking at it and thankfully it has a port to > FreeBSD-2.1.0-RELEASE. Any complaints about it? > http://www.hyperwave.com Well, then you could make a port of it ?! ;-) -- andreas@klemm.gtn.com /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ Support Unix -- andreas.klemm@wup.de pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 11 17:05:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA03169 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:05:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from janai.thuvia.org (linus.demon.co.uk [158.152.10.220]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03159 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:05:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mark@localhost) by janai.thuvia.org (8.8.2/8.8.2) id BAA04527 for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 01:05:00 GMT Message-Id: <199611120105.BAA04527@janai.thuvia.org> From: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 01:05:00 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of Nov 11, 2:24pm X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/doc/handbook porting.sgml ports.sgml Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > Date: Mon 11 Nov, 1996 > Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/doc/handbook porting.sgml ports.sgml > > I'm guessing sed, I thought Jordan had a disdain dislike for perl. :-) > > sed, definitely. I mean, who needs perl when you've already got > sed, sh and awk? :-) And basic, and rot13... ;-) Mark. -- Mark Valentine at Home From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 12 00:31:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA02169 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:31:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02164 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA29486 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 03:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA17164 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 03:33:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: ac199 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 03:33:32 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD in the news Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Okay, it's been mentioned that some more media exposure would do FreeBSD good. This was originally posted in gnu.misc.discuss, and I'm sure many readers here already saw it, but I think it deserves rementioning... I bring your attention particularly to the bottom of the article where Bill Machrone (name should be familiar to those who read Ziff-Davis stuff) asks for success stories with Free software. Esp. Linux, but "Free BSD" is mentioned, too. http://www.pcweek.com/opinion/1111/11mach.html -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 12 02:53:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA09516 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:53:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA09511 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:53:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA07899; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:53:21 -0800 (PST) To: Tim Vanderhoek cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD in the news In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Nov 1996 03:33:32 EST." Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:53:21 -0800 Message-ID: <7897.847796001@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I bring your attention particularly to the bottom of the article where > Bill Machrone (name should be familiar to those who read Ziff-Davis stuff) > asks for success stories with Free software. Esp. Linux, but "Free BSD" > is mentioned, too. > > http://www.pcweek.com/opinion/1111/11mach.html Thanks! I've sent them a letter. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 12 09:05:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA06157 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06152 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:05:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous214.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.214]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA04760; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:46:19 +0100 Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA00854; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:03:15 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:03:15 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider Message-Id: <199611121603.RAA00854@campa.panke.de> To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD hacker dinner report... In-Reply-To: References: <327C528E.31DFF4F5@hiwaay.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tim Vanderhoek writes: >> Ah, but you forget about us Americans (of German descent and proud of it) >> that brew their own beer. I have a batch (just brewed) that my friend >> and I have coined 'Black Cat'. If you like Bockbier, you will love this >> stuff. For ~$20 US, I can make any beer that you like. :) Although I >> don't know if the FBONE can transport SUDS packets as well, but I would >> hope that it would. :0 > >Ahh, but this is no good. No we'll need a disclaimer, just like all those >porn sites... > >"If you are under 19 years of age, you may not eat this packet." > >And then we'll need some translation built in at everytime the packet >crosses a national border... 21 in the US, 19 in Canada, 99 in the >Vatican, etc.. 14 in Germany for buying beer. Drinking is IMHO free, if your mom think beer is better than coke or milk ... But it is hard to buy an Internet account if you are unter 18 years. Wolfram From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 12 15:27:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03893 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ilms.nla.gov.au (ilms.nla.gov.au [192.102.239.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03879 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from gadget.nla.gov.au (cmakin@gadget.nla.gov.au [203.4.201.52]) by ilms.nla.gov.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA68874 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:23:09 +1100 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:27:01 +1100 (EST) From: Carl Makin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD in the news In-Reply-To: <7897.847796001@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I bring your attention particularly to the bottom of the article where > > Bill Machrone (name should be familiar to those who read Ziff-Davis stuff) > > asks for success stories with Free software. Esp. Linux, but "Free BSD" > Thanks! I've sent them a letter. So have I. Carl. -- Carl Makin (VK1KCM) C.Makin@nla.gov.au 'Work +61 6 262 1576' "Speaking for myself only!" 'If you want to make your spouse pay attention to what you say... Talk in your sleep!' From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 12 15:42:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA04708 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:42:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA04701 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:42:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id SAA20458; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:41:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:41:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199611122341.SAA20458@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> From: Joel Ray Holveck To: mark@linus.demon.co.uk CC: chat@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <199611120105.BAA04527@janai.thuvia.org> (mark@linus.demon.co.uk) Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/doc/handbook porting.sgml ports.sgml Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'm guessing sed, I thought Jordan had a disdain dislike for perl. :-) > sed, definitely. I mean, who needs perl when you've already got > sed, sh and awk? :-) And basic, and rot13... ;-) Somewhere around here I should have a Turing machine from my college years... From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 13 04:36:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA13402 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:36:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA13396 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:36:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA12907; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:36:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611131236.EAA12907@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Carl Makin cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD in the news In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:27:01 +1100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 04:36:07 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Carl Makin : > > On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > I bring your attention particularly to the bottom of the article where > > > Bill Machrone (name should be familiar to those who read Ziff-Davis stuff ) > > > asks for success stories with Free software. Esp. Linux, but "Free BSD" > > > Thanks! I've sent them a letter. > > So have I. > Just in case that my first mail was lost I sent another story 8) Should we let Terry lose on this guy at ZD or what 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 14 05:30:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA08876 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 05:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA08867 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 05:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id FAA03654 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 05:30:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (193.174.9.9) with smtp id ; Thu, 14 Nov 96 14:29 MET Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org id ; Thu, 14 Nov 96 14:29 MET Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13093; Thu, 14 Nov 96 14:22:43 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 14:22:43 +0100 From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Message-Id: <9611141322.AA13093@wavehh.hanse.de> To: dubois@primate.wisc.EDU Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GigaByte GA-586DX-512 Motherboard Newsgroups: hanse-ml.freebsd.current References: <199611122043.OAA12836@night.primate.wisc.edu> Reply-To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Oh wow ! Thanks for correcting me. BTW, the German PC magazine C't made >> a harddisk test, they also gave information about the noise, the several >> disks produce (in DB and a sone factor). Be careful if you want to get >> a 4GB harddisk with 7200 U/min for home environment. >Doesn't have to be 4GB. I had a Digital 1GB 7200RPM drive that finally drove >me nuts and that I replaced last week with a 4500RPM Quantum. My god, it can't be that hard to build a harddisk with a potentiometer to set the speed (or maximum acceptable noise), or what :-) Regarding the problem some older disks have to start up, we (BSD UG Hamburg) are sure they may be solved by using a starter rope (whatever that is called in english) like chainsaws have. Only those guys who designed the new ATX form factor obviously didn't knew about it and there are no holes in the cases for it :-( Now back to coding... Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://cracauer.cons.org From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 14 07:24:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA14905 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 07:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from fgate.flevel.co.uk (root@fgate.flevel.co.uk [194.6.101.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14880; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 07:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by fgate.flevel.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA28432; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:25:55 GMT Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:25:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Developer To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: PLEASE HELP - PROBLEM WITH NIS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know how I can get NIS to work correctly? I have to manually kill -HUP ypserv every time an NIS password is changed or the system still thinks it is the old one -- ypcat returns the old password??? I am using FreeBSD 2.2 -- the yp stuff is compiled from -current. Any help would be very helpful. Regards, Trefor S. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 14 10:11:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA22539 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from belgrath.widomaker.com (belgrath.widomaker.com [204.17.220.88]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22461; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:10:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from branson@localhost) by belgrath.widomaker.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA16148; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:10:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:10:29 -0500 (EST) From: Branson Matheson To: Developer cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP - PROBLEM WITH NIS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Developer wrote: > > Does anyone know how I can get NIS to work correctly? I have to manually > kill -HUP ypserv every time an NIS password is changed or the system still > thinks it is the old one -- ypcat returns the old password??? > > I am using FreeBSD 2.2 -- the yp stuff is compiled from -current. > > Any help would be very helpful. > > Regards, > > Trefor S. Uhhh.. I have to ask .. are you running yppasswdd? if not then the passwords will not be updated. - branson From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 14 16:12:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24416 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from light.pomona.edu (light.pomona.edu [134.173.72.79]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24397 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jadeite@localhost) by light.pomona.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02713; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:10:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:10:45 -0800 (PST) From: jadeite To: usercons@pom-vms1.pomona.edu, bb2@stern.nyu.edu, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, rmb@miranda.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: NT rulez :) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk for those of us running a real OS don't put up with this kinda shit ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:33:12 +0300 From: Lawrence Beobachter To: firewalls@GreatCircle.COM Subject: NT rulez :) Hello! I'm aware that this is an obvious offtopic, but I couldn't help sharing this outstanding pearl :)))) Here's a snip from NT's EventLog: -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Connector service depends on the Microsoft Exchange Message Transfer Agent service which failed to start because of the following error: The operation completed successfully. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 15 00:36:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA26963 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26958 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:36:29 -0800 (PST) From: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu Received: from kongur (kongur.cs.ucdavis.edu) by toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD.CS.2.6) id AA02223; Fri, 15 Nov 96 00:36:28 PST Received: by kongur (SMI-8.6/UCDCS.SECLAB.Solaris2-2.1) id IAA09659; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:36:27 GMT Message-Id: <199611150836.IAA09659@kongur> Subject: Re: David and I will be at COMDEX in Las Vegas from Nov 18 - Nov 22 To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD misc chating list) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:36:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199611141722.JAA06309@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 14, 96 09:22:44 am X-Pgp-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > and shooting rubber bands at the Slackware Linux booth staffers. Let us know the score when you get back. (btw, should we FedEx you a *large* supply so you don't run out ???) -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 15 05:43:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA13339 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 05:43:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from light.pomona.edu (light.pomona.edu [134.173.72.79]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA13330 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 05:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jadeite@localhost) by light.pomona.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA04418; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 05:43:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 05:43:33 -0800 (PST) From: jadeite To: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu cc: FreeBSD misc chating list Subject: Re: David and I will be at COMDEX in Las Vegas from Nov 18 - Nov 22 In-Reply-To: <199611150836.IAA09659@kongur> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk where do we address the box of rubber bands to? On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu wrote: > > and shooting rubber bands at the Slackware Linux booth staffers. > > Let us know the score when you get back. > (btw, should we FedEx you a *large* supply so you don't run out ???) > > -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) > From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 15 09:17:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA00734 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00720 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:17:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.2/8.7.5) id KAA23506; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:16:14 -0700 (MST) From: Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199611151716.KAA23506@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: David and I will be at COMDEX To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:16:14 -0700 (MST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199611141722.JAA06309@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 14, 96 09:22:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In case any FreeBSD enthusiasts will be attending, David Greenman > and I will be staffing "the FreeBSD booth" - a segment of Walnut Creek > CDROM's booth which they have provided to us for promotional purposes. > We will be there all week answering questions, signing autographs > and shooting rubber bands at the Slackware Linux booth staffers. I'll be there, my partner and I are dragging his camper trailer down and staying at the Circus Circus RV park. Cheap, and yet comfortable. If I can find it, I'll bring along my rubber band 6-shooter. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 15 12:28:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA13973 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from oldman.steinkamm.com (OldMan.Steinkamm.COM [194.127.175.225]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13312 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:19:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from arne@localhost) by oldman.steinkamm.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) id VAA06532; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:18:54 +0100 (MET) From: Arne Steinkamm Message-Id: <199611152018.VAA06532@oldman.steinkamm.com> Subject: Roots To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:18:54 +0100 (MET) Cc: arne@Steinkamm.COM (Arne Steinkamm) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Six years, six months... > Message-ID: <921104-21:55:22.831@localhost.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> > Newsgroups: comp.sources.x > Subject: v07i042: VGA X11 Server, Part00/08 > Date: 15 May 90 05:59:05 GMT > Posting-number: Volume 7, Issue 42 > Archive-name: vga > Submitted-by: Thomas Roell > > ----------------------------- Cut here ---------------------------------------- > There it is -- the X11 server of your sleepless nights! > > > FEATURES: > > - various resolutions (640x480, 720x540, 864x606) > - MouseSystems & MicroSoft Mouse support. > - shared libraries > - STREAMS connection (no TCP/IP neccessary!!) > - you need only 80MBytes diskspace for compiling (*smile*) > - it's free!!! > > > INSTALLATION: > > Quite simple, but when you use shared libraries (which are very space-saving!) > the normal strategie for building X11R4 fails. But anyway it's not so hard to > do: > It's assumed that you successfully installed all patches and are > now in the top directory (ex. /usr/local/X11/mit ). > > 1) make Makefile > 2) make Makefiles > 3) make includes > 4) cd lib > cp Imakefile.new Imakefile > make Makefile > cd .. > 5) make depend > 6) make > > Now all should go it's usual way. > > But why all this stuff for shard libs ? > > As you might know SYSV shared libraries are just static linked programs with > a special magic number. Therefor all references must bee resolved befor build > the library. This means if libb.a uses a symbol defined in liba.a, then liba.a > MUST be build before libb.a. Now in our case libXt.a depends upon libXext.a, > which normally will be build after all normal libraries in lib/. Therefore > libXext.a must be build after libX11.a and before libXt.a. > > Ok. -- here are two Imakefiles (Imakefile.old & Imakefile.new). Imakefile.old > is used first three steps, while Imakefile.new is used for real building X11R4. > > > If some of the above descibed steps failed, you should look in config/ix386.cf > to set the correct paths and flags. You could have done this before first > typeing 'make' -- but who reads the README file first ??? (nobody!!!!) > > > HINTS, TIPS & TRICKS: > > 1) After installing all X11 stuff you should use following litte script to > shrink you clients: > > for i in * > do > strip $i > mcs -d $i > done > > 2) You should execute 'chmod 755 xterm xload' in /usr/bin/X11. > > 3) Remove the 100dpi fonts. if you don't plan to use them. It saves some disk > space. > > > > NOTES: > > 1) To compile config/imake successfull you should edit config/Makefile.ini to > contain the statement 'BOOTSTRAPSCFLAGS = -Dix386 -DSYSV -DUSG' , then > go into config and type 'make -f Makefile.ini'. > > 2) There must be a directory called /dev/X !!!! > > 3) There must be a /dev/vtxx with no getty-process on it. (i.e an unallocated > virtual terminal ) > > 4) This is a quick & dirty port for VGA. I done it because I wanted X11 on my > 386box ( and not pay $750 for Interactives version!!). There are limits > on the server. All my experiances with this server caused me to write a > completely new one (not based upon ibm code). It will provide more modes > (Monochrom, 4,8,16,256 Colors), more flexibility -- short speaking: It > will bee much better. I gave away this version only because too many people > have asked for it now. When the new server is stable enought it will be > available immediately. But that won't be before autumn '90. > > 5) I tested the whole thing only with gcc!!! There may be problems with > normal cc. At least the server depends on gcc, because here I used inlines > in gcc syntax. > > 6) Compiling the server will require libdbm.a !!! You can obtain a public > available version of this library for GNU. This library is not standart in > SYS V/386. > > 7) There are minor bugs in server/ddx/ibm/vga. I got no time to fix them all, > so why don't you do that. > > 8) gcc has problems with indirect function calls. That may cause errors in > the libraries. But as far as I tested the clients there are no more bug's > (but who knows...). > > 9) xman: Here I personally use a special format (may not be standard on SYSV). > All manpages are located in /usr/man/cat*. As you should notice * stands for > 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,l,n -- the normal way of UNIX-life. But in that directries > all manpages are preformatted and (thats the important thing) compressed. > The normal extension is missing (and the '.Z', too!!!!) , so there all > 14 characters available for name of the function or command. > > 10) You are urged to send me all you suggestions, comments, bugfixes and > improvements. Let's create a better server than all these comercially > available ones!!! > > > TODO: > > 1) Currently there is only support for seriall mice. Let's add more models and > the variouse bus mice, too. > > 2) The library of available graphics modes (i.e. resolutions) is quite small. > > 3) There sould be a library of keyboard mappings for different countries > (german, frence, spain ....). Greetings .//. Arne -- Arne Steinkamm | Mail (MIME): Arne@Steinkamm.COM IRC: Arne Tel.: +49.89.299.756 | URL: http://WWW.Steinkamm.COM/ NIC-Handle: AS306 Robert-Koch-Str. 4 | "There's coffee in that nebula" D-80538 Muenchen | Cptn. Kathryn Janeway, ST:VOY - The Cloud From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 15 13:50:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19572 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:50:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA19567 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:50:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (193.174.9.9) with smtp id ; Fri, 15 Nov 96 22:49 MET Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org id ; Fri, 15 Nov 96 22:49 MET Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04469; Fri, 15 Nov 96 22:34:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 22:34:43 +0100 From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Message-Id: <9611152134.AA04469@wavehh.hanse.de> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Posix (Re: [Martha M. Gray: Availability of NIST-PCTS:151-2]) References: <9611151554.AA08798@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> Reply-To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>From: Marty Gray > Conformance Testing Group [...] >FAX: 301-926-3696 >- ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ^^ A good joke :-) Will ^Z be part of future posix specifications? Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://cracauer.cons.org From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 15 15:10:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA24706 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.PII.COM (pii.com [192.77.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24678 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from PII.COM by PII.COM (4.1/SMI-4.4) id AA11601; Fri, 15 Nov 96 15:08:57 PST Received: by smtp with Microsoft Mail id <328CF7CF@smtp>; Fri, 15 Nov 96 15:07:59 PST From: Robert Clark To: freebsd-chat Subject: Ping O' Death. Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 15:07:00 PST Message-Id: <328CF7CF@smtp> Encoding: 7 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Its nice that FreeBSD is not damaged by the ping o' death. (If its really a hoax, I'm to get seriously laughed at.) [RC] From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 15 16:03:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA28255 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.hsc.wvu.edu (www.hsc.wvu.edu [157.182.105.122]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28248 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jsigmon@localhost) by www.hsc.wvu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA07379; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:04:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:04:56 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Sigmon To: Robert Clark cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ping O' Death. In-Reply-To: <328CF7CF@smtp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Its nice that FreeBSD is not damaged by the ping o' death. > > (If its really a hoax, I'm to get seriously laughed at.) > No joke. I saw it demonstrated myself on a linux machine. RTFL.....Really really funny!!! I had to promise not to ping his machine. :) Jeremy From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 15 20:41:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10918 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 20:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10911 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 20:40:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id PAA10680; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:10:47 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199611160440.PAA10680@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: David and I will be at COMDEX in Las Vegas from Nov 18 - Nov 22 In-Reply-To: <199611150836.IAA09659@kongur> from "obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu" at "Nov 15, 96 00:36:26 am" To: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:10:46 +1030 (CST) Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu stands accused of saying: > > and shooting rubber bands at the Slackware Linux booth staffers. > > Let us know the score when you get back. > (btw, should we FedEx you a *large* supply so you don't run out ???) Aust. Post have a really meaty biodegradeable red rubberband that they use for bundling mail with. They're not so good at long range (too broad), but for close fighting they can raise a really nasy welt. I have a big box on my desk if you feel you need the tactical advantage in a lightning raid... (Another good trick is to get everyone you know to go take all of their brochures; little kids are good at this, but you have to train them _not_ to come running straight back to your booth laughing and waving their spoils around, or the enemy are likely to find a vent for their anger...) > -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 16 04:53:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA28474 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA28466 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 04:53:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id NAA12974; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:52:48 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA04383; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:52:48 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id NAA07216; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:29:06 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199611161229.NAA07216@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Who needs Perl? (Was: cvs commit: src/share/doc/handbook ...) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:29:06 +0100 (MET) Cc: obrien@NUXI.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <5446.847751056@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Nov 11, 96 02:24:16 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Moved to -chat, for obvious reasons. ;) As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I'm guessing sed, I thought Jordan had a disdain dislike for perl. :-) > > sed, definitely. I mean, who needs perl when you've already got > sed, sh and awk? :-) Those who are too impatient to wait until sh, sed, and awk are ready with fork()ing and execve()ing... :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 16 05:48:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA29816 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 05:48:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA29811 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 05:48:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id AAA11428 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 00:18:10 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199611161348.AAA11428@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: "free" SCO O/S To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 00:18:09 +1030 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A little off-topic, but perhaps pertinent, and maybe someone can illuminate me. As many others no doubt have, I thought it would be educational to install the abovementioned system to study the state of the art offered by others. Imagine my surprise when the installation failed to detect my (NCR) SCSI controller, and insisted I boot from CD. After some determined rummaging on the SCO website (nowhere is there a section anything like "installation tips"), I discover that the BTLD floppy shipped with the CD supposedly contains the driver I require. (worth noting that the installation instructions that come with the CD read : "Boot from the supplied boot floppy and follow onscreen instructions". This in a 12-page glossy advertising brochure. *sigh* So, I punt and reboot, mount the CD and go looking for instructions. It appears that at their helpful bootloader prompt : Boot : one is supposed to type "link", and then supply the name of the driver (slha). Intuitive, no? It gets better. Ok, so I punt again and do this. Now, not only do I have to wait for the _agonisingly_ slow kernel boot load, but now it says that it's loading the kernel symbol table, and that it will take a few minutes. And it does. Ok, so I get a prompt for the BTLD disk, and insert it. Only it appears that the 'slha' driver isn't on the disk. Or perhaps I mistyped it. At any rate, this section from the SCO manual is pertinent : NOTE If there are any errors during this extraction (linking) process, the process is aborted and you are forced to reboot. Like hell I am. Stick it back on the shelf and worry about it some other time. Anyone tells me FreeBSD is difficult to install is going to get laughed out of the room. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 16 07:06:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA01928 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 07:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rosemary.fsl.noaa.gov (rosemary.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.8.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01919 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 07:06:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from sage.fsl.noaa.gov (sage.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.253.42]) by rosemary.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA28444; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:06:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <328DD866.41C67EA6@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:06:14 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Smith CC: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "free" SCO O/S References: <199611161348.AAA11428@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At our recent Front Range Unix Users' Group meeting, we had a panel present their experiences with low-cost operating systems. Warner Losh did a great job with FreeBSD. The fellow presenting SCO used it at work, and admitted it was hard to set up. He warned us away from anything even slightly exotic, hardware-wise. And he had yet to get anything better than 640x480x16 out of X with it. Overall, he sounded not too fond of SCO. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory Boulder Colorado USA From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 16 09:34:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09408 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from dyson.iquest.net ([198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09387 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.2/8.6.9) id MAA00747; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:34:09 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199611161734.MAA00747@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: "free" SCO O/S To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:34:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199611161348.AAA11428@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Nov 17, 96 00:18:09 am Reply-To: dyson@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Ok, so I get a prompt for the BTLD disk, and insert it. Only it > appears that the 'slha' driver isn't on the disk. Or perhaps I > mistyped it. At any rate, this section from the SCO manual is > pertinent : > > NOTE If there are any errors during this extraction (linking) > process, the process is aborted and you are forced to reboot. > > Like hell I am. Stick it back on the shelf and worry about it some > other time. Anyone tells me FreeBSD is difficult to install is going > to get laughed out of the room. > You need to get the BTLD disk from the symbios site. It took me a long time (a few weeks of picking away at it) until I found this out (since I don't know anyone running the turkey.) Once I got it running, I was disappointed. The darned thing is "license-manager" city. It also has lots of bogus symbolic links into wierd places for the various system binaries. Ugly... BTW, at least I could get FreeSCO to boot (after some agony.) I had Solaris 2.5.1 for a week or so, and could never get it to work (and the friend who owns it couldn't either on his machines.) FreeSCO is not a stellar performer, but it does have much faster metadata perf (they have worked on the filesystem alot since I last used SVR3.X.) Otherwise, it is a bit sluggish. John