From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 12 00:07:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA00960 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 00:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA00951 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 00:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA21838; Sun, 12 May 1996 00:06:25 -0700 (PDT) To: "freyes@i-2000.com" cc: "FreeBSD documentation mailing list" Subject: Re: Where to help with the documentation In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 11 May 1996 23:44:46 EDT." <199605120346.XAA18029@i-2000.com> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 00:06:25 -0700 Message-ID: <21835.831884785@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What I would prefer best to work on is documents that need revising so > I could > try the explanations and improve/correct them. An example of this are > the > manual sections in PPP. It has taken me a long time (much longer than I I think the PPP/SLIP setup are very good candidates. Other good ones might be - "care and feeding of the ports collection", "how to add disks and other peripherals to your FreeBSD system", "how to share filesystems with Macintosh or "Windows machines" and "running SCO and Linux binaries under FreeBSD." Those topics seem to generate the most tech support questions, anyway! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 12 00:07:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA00969 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 00:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA00950 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 00:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA21849; Sun, 12 May 1996 00:07:08 -0700 (PDT) To: "freyes@i-2000.com" cc: "FreeBSD documentation mailing list" Subject: Re: WEB page could use update. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 12 May 1996 01:11:01 EDT." <199605120512.BAA19423@i-2000.com> Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 00:07:08 -0700 Message-ID: <21846.831884828@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Page http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook20.html#22 > which has a section in DOS emulation could be updated to > say that BSDI is allowing use of their dos emulation package Thanks for spotting this, I'll fix it! Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 13 08:04:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA26705 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 08:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA26696 Mon, 13 May 1996 08:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27944; Mon, 13 May 96 15:04:08 GMT Message-Id: <9605131504.AA27944@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA122709850; Mon, 13 May 1996 09:04:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 09:04:10 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: Francisco.Reyes@i-2000.com, jfieber@freebsd.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605120512.BAA19423@i-2000.com> (freyes@i-2000.com) Subject: Re: WEB page could use update. Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Francisco" == "Francisco Reyes" writes: Francisco> Page http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook20.html#22 Francisco> which has a section in DOS emulation could be updated Francisco> to say that BSDI is allowing use of their dos emulation Francisco> package and that work in on the way to port it. Sharp eyes! John: here're some revisions for ``install.sgml'' that does what Francisco suggests. Can I run MS-DOS binaries under FreeBSD? Not yet! But, Berkeley Software Design, Inc. has donated its DOS emulator called pcemu. It enables you to run many MS-DOS text-mode binaries by entirely emulating an 8088 CPU. And you'll need to add this to ``authors.sgml'': "> -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 13 17:28:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA11136 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 17:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i-2000.com (i-2000.com [204.97.92.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11131 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 17:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freyes.dh.i-2000.com (slip166-72-219-67.ny.us.ibm.net [166.72.219.67]) by i-2000.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id UAA16345 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 20:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199605140028.UAA16345@i-2000.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD documentation mailing list" Date: Mon, 13 May 96 19:54:18 -0400 Reply-To: "freyes@i-2000.com" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Suggestion for Docs Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would like to suggest something for the documentation. Since I am just beggining to grasp all the Unix/Freebsd concepts I am monitoring the FreeBSD questions mailing list very closely. One thing I have found is that some of the answers there are perfect candidates for copying them, modifying them an including them in the documentation. As an example James Raynard gave me a brief, but complete explanation about ppp.linkup and I found it much better than the info in the ppp.linkup.sample. With his permission, I am going to try to modify his message a bit and suggest it as the text for the ppp.linkup.sample. Changing the topic.... I would like to suggest that in the list of reference books to have a small section for Unix begginers. I don't recall if the books section covers this. I would like to recommend Harley Hahn's "The Unix Companion". It is a great book for begginers and also a nice reference. This is what I am using to get up to speed with Unix. From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 14 16:09:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA21901 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbox.vol.it ([194.20.35.111]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21880 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605142309.QAA21880@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from guayaibi.scanferware.org (to-b-15.intelnet.vol.it) by mbox.vol.it with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA216282571; Wed, 15 May 1996 03:09:31 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 03:09:31 +0200 X-Sender: jlscanf@mbox.vol.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: doc@freebsd.org From: Jose Luis Scanferlato Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Francisco, what is your e-mail address? Because both of these: freyes@i-2000.com Francisco.Reyes@i-2000.com return a User unknown message (550) Jose Luis Scanferlato / in Piossasco, Italia / mate e-mail: jls@acm.org ( ) veritas From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 15 13:36:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA20195 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 13:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20188 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 13:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unb15.campus.unal.edu.co ([200.21.26.240]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id NAA28573 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 13:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by unb15.campus.unal.edu.co (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA10741; Wed, 15 May 1996 15:33:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 15:33:20 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie ROOT To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: BSDI FAQ Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Some of the information at http://www.nsu.nsk.su/FAQ/F-bsd386/index.html may be relevant to FreeBSD users. Also please look: http://www.nsu.nsk.su/FAQ/F-386bsd/index.html regards, Pedro. From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 15 16:11:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA01398 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 16:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01393 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 16:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ae24627; 15 May 96 23:11 GMT Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa00425; 15 May 96 21:22 +0100 Received: (from fdocs@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA02824; Wed, 15 May 1996 12:35:44 GMT Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 12:35:44 GMT From: James Raynard Message-Id: <199605151235.MAA02824@jraynard.demon.co.uk> To: Francisco.Reyes@i-2000.com CC: doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199605140028.UAA16345@i-2000.com> (message from Francisco Reyes on Mon, 13 May 96 19:54:18 -0400) Subject: Re: Suggestion for Docs Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As an example James Raynard > gave me a brief, but complete explanation about ppp.linkup and I > found it much better than the info in the ppp.linkup.sample. > > With his permission, I am going to try to modify his message a bit > and suggest it as the text for the ppp.linkup.sample. I've already mailed Francisco to agree to this, although it might be better to put it in the docs rather than the file. I've also hinted he might like to volunteer to put some flesh on the PPP-with-dynamic-IP section 8-) > Changing the topic.... > I would like to suggest that in the list of reference books to have a > small > section for Unix begginers. I don't recall if the books section covers > this. Good idea. > I would like to recommend Harley Hahn's "The Unix Companion". It is a > great book for begginers and also a nice reference. This is what I am > using to get up to speed with Unix. Yes, I always used to recommend "The Student's Guide to Unix" (another one of his books) and "Unix in a Nutshell". Looking a bit further down, in the programmer's guides, I was extremely surprised to see nothing by my favourite author, Rich Stevens. As he's written a commentary on the 4.4BSD TCP/IP implementation and (so I understand) runs FreeBSD, surely he deserves some encouragement! (He also writes excellent books, BTW) Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment W. Richard Stevens Addison-Wesley 1992 ISBN 0-201-56317-7 Essential reading for anyone serious about being a Unix programmer. TCP/IP Illustrated Volume 1 W. Richard Stevens Addison-Wesley 1994 ISBN 0-201-63346-9 A good overview of TCP/IP for users, sysadmins and programmers. TCP/IP Illustrated Volume 2 Gary R. Wright, W. Richard Stevens Addison-Wesley 1995 ISBN 0-201-63354-X The complete 4.4BSD TCP/IP implementation, with detailed annotations. Unix Network Programming W. Richard Stevens Prentice-Hall 1990 ISBN 0-13-949876-1 A bit dated (currently being re-written), but contains a good introduction to socket programming, among other things. (I have no relationship to Rich Stevens other than being an extremely satisified purchaser of his books, BTW) And surely the first entry on any list of Unix programming books should be The Unix Programming Environment Brian W. Kernighan, Rob Pike Prentice-Hall 1984 ISBN 0-13-937681-X Showing its age in places, but still an unbeatable introduction to the Unix way of doing things. From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 15 19:07:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA12479 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 19:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12474 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 19:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA06737; Wed, 15 May 1996 19:06:40 -0700 (PDT) To: Michael van der Westhuizen cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gary Clark - FreeBSD doc contributions .... ?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 May 1996 23:56:30." <01BB42BA.FD185080@michaelw> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:06:39 -0700 Message-ID: <6735.832212399@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Gary, I am not sure if I am sending this to the right man, but if I am = > not, please forward it to the right person. Well, a few quick comments on this: 1. Gary's not FAQ maintainer anymore, that job being handled (usually :-) by Ollivier Robert. In sending to faq@freebsd.org, however, you did the right thing - Ollivier's no doubt seen your message already. 2. What you propose is actually more involved than a simple FAQ entry and really better directed at the larger "docs group", whom I've cc'd on this message (and preserved your message below for). 3. The format in which we accept new submissions is actually SGML, not plain text (though we'll accept it if someone else is willing to play "formatter"), HTML or WORD format. See existing Handbook and FAQ sources for real-world examples if you're totally unfamiliar with SGML. Thanks! Jordan > > I recently got hold of the June 1995 release of FreeBSD 2.0.5, since I = > had already decided (long time ago) > that a UNIX based operating system was the ideal thing to learn to use. = > Now, I know I am not completely up to date with the system, but I = > noticed (as you guys pointed out with the "this FAQ is weak, what can I = > do about it?" line) that the documentation is weak - especially for = > users who are converting from a DOS / Windows / Windows 95 environment. = > As can be expected with such a powerful operating system, no-one is = > going to hold your hand and configure things for you, you must be a = > confident enough user to dive into a very different operating system, = > very much not knowing the fist thing to type when you get there! > > Naturally this will be a problem for many users as UNIX (and UNIX based = > operating systems :-)) are not very easy to learn. Now I have leapt into = > the deep end myself and I am slowly finding my way right (thanks to the = > handbook - especially the kernel configuration section! - that = > particular part is very well written). > > Anyway, part of what I do for a living is write (and regularly update) a = > Win95 support FAQ. The rest of what I do is support DOS / Windows / = > Windows 95 systems. Now, what I am keen to contribute, would not be a = > section to the FAQ or the Handbook, but an "up and running" guide for = > MS-DOS / Windows users (I would say "dual-booters", but that has bad = > connotations :-)). Now this may take a while, as I am still learning a = > lot of the configuration details (read - most of them). But I feel that = > I would be able to put together a clear, concise document (almost a = > "dummies" guide) to getting started with FreeBSD for DOS and Windows = > users. In fact I am quite keen to do this as I feel that it would = > minimise the "lost" and "helpless" feelings associated when seeing a = > foreign command prompt for the first time. To this end, I would need = > contribution on matters that I cannot experience first-hand (due to my = > system configuration). I mean, this has all got me down to the situation = > where I am sitting with borrowed SCO documentation and trying commands = > and advice from that! I feel that this is probably a common situation = > and one which could be easily avoided with a document such as the one I = > am describing. > > I can furnish any documentation in plain text (surprise surprise), HTML, = > packaged HTML (a zip file for downloading and easy offline viewing and = > reference?), Lotus AmiPro (again for offline viewing and reference), and = > Microsoft Word 6.0 / 7.0 format (once again blah blah blah). I feel that = > the advantages of users being able to view documents in an environment = > (and format) they are comfortable with is very important. > > Let me know what you think about my idea. I am quite sure that this is = > the best way in which I can contribute to the project and it would be a = > pleasure for me to contribute in some way. (besides, I am actually happy = > (!) to have given up half my hard drive to FreeBSD and I would love to = > document my explorations of this strange new world !). > > Again, give me a shout at tombi@iafrica.com with any feedback on this = > idea, I am eagerly awaiting your reply ! > > Regards > *******Michael van der Westhuizen******* > ************tombi@iafrica.com************* > From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 15 23:41:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA01272 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 23:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from r02n06.cac.psu.edu (r02a06.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01267 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 23:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nb4slip68.cac.psu.edu (nbslip121.cac.psu.edu [128.118.140.121]) by r02n06.cac.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA78456; Thu, 16 May 1996 02:40:51 -0400 Message-ID: <319AF81B.43E2@psu.edu> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 02:40:43 -0700 From: pocheng Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG CC: pxl127@psu.edu Subject: (no subject) X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk please send me free BSD handbook From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 16 03:38:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA16290 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 03:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA16285 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 03:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA08587; Thu, 16 May 1996 03:37:15 -0700 (PDT) To: pocheng Lin cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (no subject) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 May 1996 02:40:43 PDT." <319AF81B.43E2@psu.edu> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 03:37:15 -0700 Message-ID: <8585.832243035@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You get it from http://www.freebsd.org/handbook or from the docs directory on ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD. Thanks. Jordan > please send me free BSD handbook From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 16 19:10:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA28538 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 19:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA28419; Thu, 16 May 1996 19:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id DAA09696; Fri, 17 May 1996 03:08:56 +0100 (BST) To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: sysctl parameters Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 03:08:54 +0100 Message-ID: <9694.832298934@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [CC: hackers as although this is a doc issue, I think some people on hackers could help ... ] You know, it would be good if someone (or a group) could document what all the different sysctl parameters do. I'm particularly mystified by what some of the net.* parameters do and would love an explanation which doesn't involve trying to unravel several hundred K of source code. If someone would care to explain them to me (or have an e-mail convo with me explaining the terms I don't understand) I would be willing to try and write a handbook section on it, but as it stands, I'd be lucky to correctly document half of the sysctl parameters. Thanks Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD - Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info. From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 16 20:48:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA06414 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org ([207.40.47.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA06389 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mofo (mofo.dreamchaser.org [206.230.42.91]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA23421; Thu, 16 May 1996 21:47:11 -0600 Message-ID: <319BF6D6.7E38@ics.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 21:47:34 -0600 From: Gary Aitken Organization: Integrated Computer Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Raynard CC: Francisco.Reyes@i-2000.com, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestion for Docs References: <199605151235.MAA02824@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've already mailed Francisco to agree to this, although it might be > better to put it in the docs rather than the file. I've also hinted he > might like to volunteer to put some flesh on the PPP-with-dynamic-IP > section 8-) Note: I am currently using user-ppp on a dedicated 56K line. However, in order to get it to work, I had to modify the code to force PacketMode. I am not yet certain whether this is a bug in the code or not. Some notes to add for ppp.conf, ppp.linkup; probably should be listed under bugs: An empty line (one without a # comment mark) effectively marks the end of a section. openmode may be set to either active or passive. However, it only takes effect for dialup connections; if user ppp is started using the -dedicated or -direct flags, openmode is ignored. -- Gary Aitken garya@ics.com (business) garya@dreamchaser.org (personal) From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 16 21:06:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07639 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 21:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i-2000.com (i-2000.com [204.97.92.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07628; Thu, 16 May 1996 21:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freyes.dh.i-2000.com (freyes.dh.i-2000.com [204.97.94.246]) by i-2000.com (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id AAA23743; Fri, 17 May 1996 00:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199605170406.AAA23743@i-2000.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD doc Mailing list" , "FreeBSD FAQ Team" Date: Fri, 17 May 96 00:04:57 -0400 Reply-To: "freyes@i-2000.com" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Suggestion for FAQ pages Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When I started getting acquainted with FreeBSD I new about virtual consoles because I had seen a work-mate changing virtual consoles in Linux. When I need to increase the number of virtual consoles I tried the FAQ and the handbook. At that point I didn't know that those "screens" where called "consoles" so I spent a long time to find the related information. Today it just HIT me that when I was searching I did try "virtual screen" but found nothing. I went to check FAQ and to my surprise both of the topics related to virtual consoles don't have the word screen. To people familiar with Unix console may be a common term, but for the rest of us we think of screens. I would like to recommend that in the section "how do I access a virtual console" a brief explanation be included of what is a virtual console and include the word "screen" somewhere so someone doing a search will find it. Another possibility is to change the header to "how do I access a virtual console/virtual screen" or something simmilar. Some people familiar with Unix may find it a bit silly that you would include the definition or use the word screen, but the FAQ is not meant primarily for them. From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 16 21:29:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA09569 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 21:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA09562; Thu, 16 May 1996 21:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA31748; Fri, 17 May 1996 04:28:57 GMT Message-Id: <199605170428.EAA31748@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD FAQ Team" Cc: "FreeBSD doc Mailing list" Date: Fri, 17 May 96 00:27:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Suggestions for FAQ Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I keep reading the FAQ page that describes sysconfig over and over again and I am still confused. Do /etc/rc.local, /etc/rc.serial, and /etc/rc.i386 still exist in 2.1.0R? If they still exist then why not say in the FAQ "In addition to those previous files, starting in 2.1.0R you can have local startup......" In the beggining of the document it says "As for 2.0.5R, the primary..." Does this mean "for 2.0.5 and back" or "As of 2.0.5R...."? From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 16 21:45:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA10595 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 21:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA10589 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 21:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA246706; Fri, 17 May 1996 04:45:48 GMT Message-Id: <199605170445.EAA246706@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD doc Mailing list" Date: Fri, 17 May 96 00:44:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Getting ready to help Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As I mentioned in a message some days back in a few weeks I will time to help with the documentation. Right now I am spending a little time here and there and making some comments. I am hoping to help much more than that when I finish the semester (before my summer classes begin of course). Some of the things I will need to know are: - Is it ok if I send html? If sgml is prefered where can I get hold of the sgml of the existing pages to change them and where can I get references to coding in sgml. - If I merely have suggestions to a page should I just send the suggestions or should I send a revised copy? Is diff covered in the man pages? I have read some emails saying to use diff (I will check the man page when I boot Freebsd later, till I get sendmail running and the news server I am using OS/2) - Some of the pages I have seen in the handbook have asterisks. An example is the list of compatible cards. Any reason those sections have not been started? If the main problem is time perhaps we could start getting people to send me their configurations now and when I have more time I will make the html pages. One possible way is to ask people to help us by sending the data in a formated way so that I can write a small program to parse it and create the html/sgml automatically. -When I give suggestions is it good to give the reason why I am suggesting them? Some of the messages I have written recently seemed a bit large and I figure many may have already to much to read so, me making the messages long may be inconvienient for others. From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 16 22:10:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA12475 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 22:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA12463; Thu, 16 May 1996 22:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id FAA246757; Fri, 17 May 1996 05:10:08 GMT Message-Id: <199605170510.FAA246757@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD doc Mailing list" , "FreeBSD FAQ Team" Date: Fri, 17 May 96 01:08:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Suggestion: Mention difference to Linux and Netbsd Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I could not find neither in the FAQ or the handbook a basic comparison of FreeBSD with Linux or Netbsd. This is commonly asked and can be done in a way that will be objective: Sample: Linux is an unix ..... developed by Linus.... and is in a constant state of change due to the number of people that are involved in its development. NetBSD is based on the BSD .... and it has its emphasis in cross platform compatibility. FreeBSD has a core team which help improve its estability. However this does not mean that it is a closed environment in which ideas or participation from people outside this team are not accepted. On the contrary the core team encourages others to get involved and once they are familiar with FreeBSD and they have build a trusting relationship with the Coreteam the person can either become part of the core team or be given access to contribute code to the project directly without much intervention from the Core team members. Moreover FreeBSD is based on BSD ...... which has been proven to be a successful implementation of Unix long before Linux was created.... From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 16 22:58:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16919 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 22:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16912 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 22:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA10693; Fri, 17 May 1996 15:39:37 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605170609.PAA10693@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Getting ready to help To: reyes01@ibm.net Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:39:37 +0930 (CST) Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605170445.EAA246706@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> from "Francisco Reyes" at May 17, 96 00:44:28 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Francisco Reyes stands accused of saying: > > Some of the things I will need to know are: > - Is it ok if I send html? If sgml is prefered where can I get hold > of the sgml of the existing pages to change them and where > can I get references to coding in sgml. All the SGML for the handbook is in /usr/share/doc/handbook; that should be a pretty good reference to start with 8) > - If I merely have suggestions to a page should I just send the > suggestions or should I send a revised copy? Is diff covered That depends on the nature of the change - if it's just a few words, just send the difference. If it's a rewrite of a whole section, send the lot 8) > - Some of the pages I have seen in the handbook have asterisks. > An example is the list of compatible cards. Any reason > those sections have not been started? If the main problem is time Lack of resources 8( > html pages. One possible way is to ask people to help us by > sending the data in a formated way so that I can write a small > program to parse it and create the html/sgml automatically. A sort of semiautomatic 'this hardware works' submission? Sounds good. > -When I give suggestions is it good to give the reason why I am > suggesting them? Some of the messages I have written recently > seemed a bit large and I figure many may have already to > much to read so, me making the messages long may be > inconvienient for others. Not at all. Long messages full of crap are inconvenient, but so far you're making pretty good sense. Thanks! -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 17 00:04:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA21517 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 00:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA21511; Fri, 17 May 1996 00:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA13104; Fri, 17 May 1996 00:03:19 -0700 (PDT) To: "Francisco Reyes" cc: "FreeBSD FAQ Team" , "FreeBSD doc Mailing list" Subject: Re: Suggestions for FAQ In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 May 1996 00:27:42 EDT." <199605170428.EAA31748@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 00:03:18 -0700 Message-ID: <13102.832316598@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Do /etc/rc.local, /etc/rc.serial, and /etc/rc.i386 still exist in 2.1.0R? Yes. > If they still exist then why not say in the FAQ "In addition to those > previous files, starting in 2.1.0R you can have local startup......" Well, only /etc/rc.local is still expected to be customized. /etc/sysconfig is supposed to contain all the variables that control the behavior of other scripts (you forgot /etc/netstart). Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 17 07:38:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA20948 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 07:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20937 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 07:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00453; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:38:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:38:32 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: Michael Smith cc: reyes01@ibm.net, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Getting ready to help In-Reply-To: <199605170609.PAA10693@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 May 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > Francisco Reyes stands accused of saying: > > > > Some of the things I will need to know are: > > - Is it ok if I send html? If sgml is prefered where can I get hold > > of the sgml of the existing pages to change them and where > > can I get references to coding in sgml. > > All the SGML for the handbook is in /usr/share/doc/handbook; that should be > a pretty good reference to start with 8) er, not quite. That is the generated HTML (and ascii). The sgml source is /usr/src/share/doc/handbook. It can be found at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/doc/handbook/* > > html pages. One possible way is to ask people to help us by > > sending the data in a formated way so that I can write a small > > program to parse it and create the html/sgml automatically. We could even put a submission form in the web pages... -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 17 09:41:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA00320 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00295; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA29775; Sat, 18 May 1996 02:36:43 +1000 Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 02:36:43 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199605171636.CAA29775@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: doc@freebsd.org, gpalmer@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysctl parameters Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >You know, it would be good if someone (or a group) could document what >all the different sysctl parameters do. I'm particularly mystified by >what some of the net.* parameters do and would love an explanation >which doesn't involve trying to unravel several hundred K of source >code. Aren't they documented in sysctl.3 and/or sysctl.8? These man pages are a bit out of date but still much better than ioctl.2. Bruce From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 17 09:55:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA01486 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01481 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA05564; Fri, 17 May 96 16:54:40 GMT Message-Id: <9605171654.AA05564@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA220432082; Fri, 17 May 1996 10:54:42 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:54:42 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: reyes01@ibm.net Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605170445.EAA246706@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> (reyes01@ibm.net) Subject: Re: Getting ready to help Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Francisco" == "Francisco Reyes" writes: Francisco> Some of the things I will need to know are: - Is it ok Francisco> if I send html? If sgml is prefered where can I get Francisco> hold of the sgml of the existing pages to change them Francisco> and where can I get references to coding in sgml. SGML would definitely be preferred. You can get the SGML source of the existing pages in /usr/src/share/doc/handbook or on the web at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/share/doc/handbook/ Francisco> - Some of the pages I have seen in the handbook have Francisco> asterisks. An example is the list of compatible Francisco> cards. Any reason those sections have not been started? Not enough time or people to write 'em up. Francisco> If the main problem is time perhaps we could start Francisco> getting people to send me their configurations now and Francisco> when I have more time I will make the html pages. One Francisco> possible way is to ask people to help us by sending the Francisco> data in a formated way so that I can write a small Francisco> program to parse it and create the html/sgml Francisco> automatically. Sounds great! Francisco> -When I give suggestions is it good to give the reason Francisco> why I am suggesting them? Some of the messages I have Francisco> written recently seemed a bit large and I figure many Francisco> may have already to much to read so, me making the Francisco> messages long may be inconvienient for others. It depends on the kind of suggestion. Correcting grammar probably needs no comment, but the author of a document may be more willing to accept a restructuring of a series of paragraphs if you give reasons why. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 17 10:03:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA02063 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 10:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas.com ([206.29.170.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02054 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 10:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from billthecat.atlas.com. (billthecat.atlas.com [97.12.13.38]) by atlas.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA23732 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by billthecat.atlas.com. (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02937; Fri, 17 May 96 10:03:55 PDT From: brantk@gatekeeper.atlas.com (Brant Katkansky) Message-Id: <9605171703.AA02937@billthecat.atlas.com.> Subject: FAQ, section 9.1 (local_startup) To: doc@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:03:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I found a reference to local_startup in the FAQ, section 9.1. The FAQ says that this is valid starting at 2.1.0R, but I believe that it's valid only in -current (and possibly -stable). -- Brant Katkansky (brantk@atlas.com) Systems Test Engineer, ADC From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 17 12:42:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA12723 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 12:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from igw2.watson.ibm.com (igw2.watson.ibm.com [129.34.139.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12717 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 12:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawpub1.watson.ibm.com (hawpub1.watson.ibm.com [9.2.90.32]) by igw2.watson.ibm.com (8.7.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA19307 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 15:42:18 -0400 Received: by hawpub1.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4/8/96) id AA33579; Fri, 17 May 1996 15:41:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:41:59 -0400 From: Krish Message-Id: <9605171941.AA33579@hawpub1.watson.ibm.com> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Platform not supported? Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, While trying to install FreeBSD RELEASE 2.1.0 in IBM Thinkpad Model 360C I experience a special problem. The system boots up with the installation menu on the screen. After that it is not responding to the keyboard. If I press shift it is interpreting it as ENTER key etc. FreeBSD is supporting Thinkpads and if so which model of thinkpad is safe to select ? Krish. From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 17 18:00:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA07043 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 18:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07032; Fri, 17 May 1996 18:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id XAA12408; Fri, 17 May 1996 23:00:02 +0100 (BST) To: Francisco Reyes cc: FreeBSD doc Mailing list , FreeBSD FAQ Team From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Suggestion: Mention difference to Linux and Netbsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 May 1996 01:08:56 EDT." <199605170510.FAA246757@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 23:00:01 +0100 Message-ID: <12405.832370401@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Francisco Reyes wrote in message ID <199605170510.FAA246757@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>: > I could not find neither in the FAQ or the handbook a basic > comparison of FreeBSD with Linux or Netbsd. (This is MY opinion on the subject. I am on the core team, but not necessarily expressing core opinions in this matter) This is something that I would prefer to keep OUT of official documentation from the project. I do NOT mind sticking in a reference saying ``If you want a comparison of the 3 OS's, look at this persons WWW pages (or these peoples pages). Note that these are not the opinions of the FreeBSD Project''. Doing anything (even ``objective'' comparisons) like this in documentation from the Project will lead to bad feelings between us and the other 2 ``camps'', as what we see as ``objective'', they could VERY easily take as an insult. The fact that in your example you had 12 lines ``pushing'' FreeBSD, 3 lines for Linux and 2 for NetBSD could VERY easily be taken for being a biased view. Even if we give them equal coverage, people will still take slight from the fact that we are even MAKING such comparisons, whether they be an FAQ or not. The down side is, of course, that we keep getting these questions, and that maybe some of the other ``camps'' aren't quite as, err, umm, ``respectful'' of the rest as they could be and do just that ... publish comparisons. I would prefer not seeing something ``published'' which could be taken as ``officially sanctioned'' by the FreeBSD Project, as there is MORE THAN enough tension between the camps as it is (even if it doesn't always show on the surface). Speaking as someone who has seen enough e-mail on this subject to last him the rest of his life (i.e. comparing the free OS's), (and also some behind-the-scenes stuff,) I don't want to add another reason to start a religious war in a mail list or newsgroup, or another obstacle to any future co-operation between our respective groups. Yours Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 17 21:41:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA24608 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 21:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA24595 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 21:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA127736; Sat, 18 May 1996 04:41:23 GMT Message-Id: <199605180441.EAA127736@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD doc Mailing list" Date: Sat, 18 May 96 00:40:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Could not get SGML pages Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was told to look at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/doc/handbook/* for samples of SGML. I got an error: FTP server wouldn't allow access of file. I am going to try the /usr/src/share/doc/handbook at the mean time, but I would eventually like to have access to the most current ones so when I send a new file or a diff that it would be based on the latest file. ps. I will be offline for a few days due to Finals. Hope to be back by wednesday 5-22. From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 18 12:27:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA15517 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 18 May 1996 12:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com (main.statsci.com [198.145.127.110]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA15512; Sat, 18 May 1996 12:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from statsci.com by main.statsci.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0uKre6-000r3yC; Sat, 18 May 96 12:26 PDT Message-Id: To: "Gary Palmer" cc: Francisco Reyes , FreeBSD doc Mailing list , FreeBSD FAQ Team Subject: Re: Suggestion: Mention difference to Linux and Netbsd References: <12405.832370401@palmer.demon.co.uk> In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 May 1996 23:00:01 +0100." <12405.832370401@palmer.demon.co.uk> Reply-to: scott@statsci.com Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 12:26:33 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Gary Palmer" wrote: > Doing anything (even ``objective'' comparisons) like this in > documentation from the Project will lead to bad feelings between us > and the other 2 ``camps'', as what we see as ``objective'', they could > VERY easily take as an insult. Not to mention the fact that given the dynamic nature of the development efforts, as soon as you publish something it WILL be out of date (or incomplete at a minimum)...leading to further misconceptions, bad will, or whatever. The way I find out about them is to monitor mailing lists and newsgroups for things relevant to what I want to do. So, maybe what SHOULD be published is a list of pointers to sources of information on the various subjects. For example, If you want to find out more about the Linux, checkout comp.os.linux.whatever, the mailing lists at xxx.yyy.edu and http://sunsite.unc.edu. For FreeBSD, checkout comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.whatever, the mailing lists at majordomo@freebsd.org and http://www.freebsd.org. ...etc... And MAYBE include some real basic overview ("...they are all Unix style operating systems...") information. Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 18 16:50:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA06727 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 18 May 1996 16:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from igubu.saix.co.za (igubu.saix.net [196.25.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06718 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 16:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [196.25.1.23] by igubu.saix.co.za (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11587) with SMTP id AAA20754 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 01:50:08 +0200 Message-ID: <319E561E.7271@igubu.saix.net> Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 01:58:38 +0300 From: fouriee@igubu.saix.net (Etienne Fourie) Reply-To: fouriee@igubu.saix.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe to the FreeBSD mailing list