From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 19 08:08:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA01022 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 08:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01015; Sun, 19 May 1996 08:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19879; Sun, 19 May 1996 10:08:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 10:08:04 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: Greg Lehey cc: Jerry Dunham , Jordan Hubbard , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & vi In-Reply-To: <199605190702.JAA12331@allegro.lemis.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 May 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > >>> Howcum vi has never been ported to FreeBSD, at least that FreeBSD.org > >>> will own up to? The closest I saw was vile. !!! > >> Who told you that? > > > > The FreeBSD web page. There's a page there just for editors; emacs is > > there, and jove and vile, but I didn't see vi. > > Aha. The web page shows ports of software not included in the base > system. vi is an integral part, and thus figures. I'm copying Jordan > and John on this so that they can clarify things. Yes, the "Applications" pages are simply for "add-on" software that isn't in the base FreeBSD distribution. Maybe someone ought to go through the whatis database and make up a web page advertising the "standard equipment". There is a LOT of it. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 19 16:36:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA07976 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07970 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20835; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:36:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 18:36:44 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: Sean Kelly cc: reyes01@ibm.net, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Getting ready to help In-Reply-To: <9605171654.AA05564@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 May 1996, Sean Kelly wrote: > SGML would definitely be preferred. Alternatively, LaTeX isn't too bad because the markup semantics are nearly identical to the linuxdoc DTD (which was based on Quertz which was based on LaTeX markup). I can convert latex to sgml without much effort. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 19 16:40:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA08175 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08153 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20857; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:40:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 18:40:16 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: Krish cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Platform not supported? In-Reply-To: <9605171941.AA33579@hawpub1.watson.ibm.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 May 1996, Krish wrote: > While trying to install FreeBSD RELEASE 2.1.0 in IBM Thinkpad Model 360C > I experience a special problem. Do you have www access? If so, search for "thinkpad keyboard" in the mailing list archives (http://www.freebsd.org/search.html). I recall there being problems with some thinkpad keyboards, along with some workarounds. If you don't find a solution, post to questions@freebsd.org. There are people using FreeBSD on thinkpads, so do not dispair! -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 19 16:43:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA08331 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08326; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20866; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:43:51 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 18:43:50 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: Gary Palmer cc: Francisco Reyes , FreeBSD doc Mailing list , FreeBSD FAQ Team Subject: Re: Suggestion: Mention difference to Linux and Netbsd In-Reply-To: <12405.832370401@palmer.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 May 1996, Gary Palmer wrote: > Francisco Reyes wrote in message ID > <199605170510.FAA246757@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>: > > I could not find neither in the FAQ or the handbook a basic > > comparison of FreeBSD with Linux or Netbsd. > > This is something that I would prefer to keep OUT of official > documentation from the project. You have support on this opinion! Thats said, I'm not opposed to the founding of an "evangelism" division that would take on such comparisons. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 19 16:45:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA08480 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08475 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20874; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:45:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 18:45:39 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: Francisco Reyes cc: FreeBSD doc Mailing list Subject: Re: Could not get SGML pages In-Reply-To: <199605180441.EAA127736@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 18 May 1996, Francisco Reyes wrote: > I was told to look at > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/doc/handbook/* > > for samples of SGML. I just checked and they were indeed there and accessible... -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 19 21:14:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA22975 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 21:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tasalpha.tas.BoM.GOV.AU (tasalpha.tas.BoM.GOV.AU [134.178.170.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA22967 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 21:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from noxid.tas.bom.gov.au by tasalpha.tas.BoM.GOV.AU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06970; Mon, 20 May 96 14:13:23 EST Message-Id: <31A0B5A0.127E@BOM.Gov.au> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 14:10:40 -0400 From: Steve Dixon X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freebsd installation X-Url: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook17.html#19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gooday, I have installed freebsd onto a newish PC with a PCI motherboard, AMD 586 processor, 16Mb RAM. Everything went just fine, but I'm having a hard time getting themouse to work so that I can install XFree86. It is a serial mouse on com1. dmesg shows up sio0 on IRQ4, and I understand /dev/tty00 corresponds to com1. However, I cannot find either of these devices in /dev. I have tried sh MAKEDEV tty00 and get no error but tty00 does not appear. Perhaps I'm being a bit slow here, but what am I doing wrong? The documentation on the web site doesnt seem to cover this, nor does the freebsd ps manual. Thanks in anticipation, Steve Dixon steved@ice.net.au s.dixon@bom.gov.au From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 20 00:18:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA29582 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 00:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29577 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 00:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA20888; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:01:19 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605200731.RAA20888@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: freebsd installation To: S.Dixon@BOM.Gov.au (Steve Dixon) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:01:18 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <31A0B5A0.127E@BOM.Gov.au> from "Steve Dixon" at May 20, 96 02:10:40 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve Dixon stands accused of saying: > > It is a serial mouse on com1. dmesg shows up sio0 on IRQ4, and I > understand /dev/tty00 corresponds to com1. However, I cannot find either /dev/ttyd0. Read the 'sio' manpage; remember, we have documentation. 8) > Steve Dixon -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 20 05:45:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA15127 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 05:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA15122 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 05:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA01930; Mon, 20 May 1996 05:44:54 -0700 (PDT) To: Steve Dixon cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 14:10:40 EDT." <31A0B5A0.127E@BOM.Gov.au> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 05:44:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1928.832596294@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have installed freebsd onto a newish PC with a PCI motherboard, AMD > 586 processor, 16Mb RAM. This should really go to questions@freebsd.org - this address is for submissions of documentation. Thanks! > It is a serial mouse on com1. dmesg shows up sio0 on IRQ4, and I > understand /dev/tty00 corresponds to com1. However, I cannot find either /dev/cuaa0 corresponds to com1. You're right that coverage of this is somewhat spotty in the documentation - I just went off in a self-rightous huff to find the doc so I could point it out to you with much fanfare when, low and behold, I couldn't find any. So much for that, eh? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 20 06:08:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA17284 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 06:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA17278 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 06:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA02069; Mon, 20 May 1996 06:08:11 -0700 (PDT) To: Michael Smith cc: S.Dixon@BOM.Gov.au (Steve Dixon), freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd installation In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 17:01:18 +0930." <199605200731.RAA20888@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 06:08:11 -0700 Message-ID: <2067.832597691@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Steve Dixon stands accused of saying: > > > > It is a serial mouse on com1. dmesg shows up sio0 on IRQ4, and I > > understand /dev/tty00 corresponds to com1. However, I cannot find either > > /dev/ttyd0. Read the 'sio' manpage; remember, we have documentation. 8) Actually, if you read through all our X doc, the "misc devices" sections of the handbook and FAQ, pretty much anyplace you might go to _initially_ find this documentation, you won't find it. It's been misplaced. :-) The sio manpage is all but buried for the new user (experienced with UNIX or not - doing an "apropos serial" does little to designate the `sio' entry as the "generic serial driver") and doesn't really make it as a substitute. Some of the basic info from sio(4) needs to go into the handbook, I think. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 20 09:18:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA28092 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (dialup2.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.46]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28069; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA04589; Tue, 21 May 1996 01:47:58 +0930 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199605201617.BAA04589@al.imforei.apana.org.au> Subject: FreeBSD + CAP WebPage To: doc@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 01:47:58 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gday. I've put together a webpage detailing how to get the CAP (Columbia AppleTalk Package) working well under FreeBSD. This includes some patches that the author suggested in discussion... I'm not sure if you can link this in somewhere to your documentation, or add a pointer to your web pages, but I think it would be of use to other FreeBSD users that want to use their FreeBSD machines as AppleShare servers. http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/freebsd/freebsd+cap/ Regards, Peter PS. Keep up the good work! -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds Active APANA SA Member --- Author PopWatch + Inf-HTML Email: pjchilds@imforei.apana.org.au Fax: 61-8-82784742 From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 20 13:17:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA13294 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13274; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA14622; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:17:28 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA02019 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Mon, 20 May 1996 22:17:01 +0200 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA32262 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Mon, 20 May 1996 21:30:51 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA01465; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:34:35 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199605201834.UAA01465@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: Suggestion: Mention difference to Linux and Netbsd To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:34:34 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: gpalmer@freebsd.org, reyes01@ibm.net, doc@freebsd.org, FAQ@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "John Fieber" at May 19, 96 06:43:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Fri, 17 May 1996, Gary Palmer wrote: > > > Francisco Reyes wrote in message ID > > <199605170510.FAA246757@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>: > > > I could not find neither in the FAQ or the handbook a basic > > > comparison of FreeBSD with Linux or Netbsd. > > > > This is something that I would prefer to keep OUT of official > > documentation from the project. > > You have support on this opinion! Thats said, I'm not opposed > to the founding of an "evangelism" division that would take on Start a new group: The FFFFF (The FreeBSD Flame Fest Founding Fathers) :-) > such comparisons. > > -john > > == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== > == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 20 18:44:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA10454 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA10332 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ac16094; 21 May 96 1:43 GMT Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa10675; 21 May 96 1:01 +0100 Received: (from fdocs@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA02828; Tue, 21 May 1996 00:47:38 GMT Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 00:47:38 GMT From: James Raynard Message-Id: <199605210047.AAA02828@jraynard.demon.co.uk> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Corrections to Linux Emulation Docs Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In section 21.1.2 (Installing Linux Emulation in 2.2-CURRENT), the line 2. This, in turn, triggers the following action in /etc/rc.i386: should read 2. This, in turn, triggers the following action in /etc/etc.i386/rc.i386: as rc.i386 is no longer in /etc. Perhaps this is why some people have not been able to get it to work! 8-) I also found a couple of typos:- In 21.1.3.1 (INSTALLING USING THE LINUX_LIB PORT):- done untill you install the shared libraries. should be done until you install the shared libraries. The heading for section 21.1.3.4 CONFIGURING THE LD.SO -- FOR FREEBSD-CURRENTONLY should be CONFIGURING THE LD.SO -- FOR FREEBSD-CURRENT ONLY At the end of this section, If it prints "not found" in stead of fullname should read If it prints "not found" instead of fullname In section 21.1.5 (Finding the necessary files), I get the following lines when viewing the HTML with Lynx:- libX11.so.6.0 xf lib libXt.so.6.0 xf lib xf lib diskx9 From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 20 18:59:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA11207 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wireless.Stanford.EDU (wireless.Stanford.EDU [36.10.0.102]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11201 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boraakyo (tip-mp14-ncs-10.Stanford.EDU [36.173.1.57]) by wireless.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA08252 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31A1236B.1D35@stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:59:07 -0700 From: Bora Akyol Organization: Stanford University X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: PSM Mouse Driver Documentation X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi I see that the docs for the PSM driver are dismal. I cannot get it to work at all, does not recognize the device. The funny thing is it works fine under DOS and Linux. SO it has to be sth. with the probing routines. Does anyone know who is responsible for the psm code? Or any advice will be very appreciated. Thanks Bora From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 20 21:05:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA20351 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20342 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA06376; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:05:10 -0700 (PDT) To: James Raynard cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Corrections to Linux Emulation Docs In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 00:47:38 GMT." <199605210047.AAA02828@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:05:10 -0700 Message-ID: <6374.832651510@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In section 21.1.2 (Installing Linux Emulation in 2.2-CURRENT), the > line > > 2. This, in turn, triggers the following action in /etc/rc.i386: > > should read > > 2. This, in turn, triggers the following action in /etc/etc.i386/rc.i386: > > as rc.i386 is no longer in /etc. Perhaps this is why some people have > not been able to get it to work! 8-) How now? From a -current /etc/rc file: # configure implementation specific stuff arch=`uname -m` if [ -f /etc/rc.${arch} ]; then . /etc/rc.${arch} fi Looks like it's still in /etc to me! More to the point, if anyone suggested going to /etc/etc.i386/rc.i386, we'd all chop their heads off. It's /etc/rc.i386 for the forseeable future. Thanks for the other typo corrections! Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 20 21:09:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA20675 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20670; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA06407; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:08:44 -0700 (PDT) To: Bora Akyol cc: doc@freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PSM Mouse Driver Documentation In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 18:59:07 PDT." <31A1236B.1D35@stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:08:44 -0700 Message-ID: <6405.832651724@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi > > I see that the docs for the PSM driver are dismal. > I cannot get it to work at all, does not recognize the device. > The funny thing is it works fine under DOS and Linux. > SO it has to be sth. with the probing routines. > Does anyone know who is responsible for the psm code? This driver has been more or less disowned, I'm afraid to say. One of the people on the cc line has been promising to fold this functionality into the console driver, where it belongs, for a couple of years now. Perhaps you can pursuade him where the rest of us have failed. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 21 17:01:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA16145 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA16135 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ar02276; 22 May 96 0:58 +0100 Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa16208; 22 May 96 0:45 +0100 Received: (from fdocs@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA18940; Tue, 21 May 1996 19:10:02 GMT Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:10:02 GMT From: James Raynard Message-Id: <199605211910.TAA18940@jraynard.demon.co.uk> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <6374.832651510@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Corrections to Linux Emulation Docs Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > as rc.i386 is no longer in /etc. Perhaps this is why some people have > > not been able to get it to work! 8-) > >How now? From a -current /etc/rc file: > ># configure implementation specific stuff >arch=`uname -m` >if [ -f /etc/rc.${arch} ]; then > . /etc/rc.${arch} >fi > > Looks like it's still in /etc to me! More to the point, if anyone > suggested going to /etc/etc.i386/rc.i386, we'd all chop their heads > off. It's /etc/rc.i386 for the forseeable future. That's what I thought, but that's not what's in the CVS tree that I checked out on Sunday night:- $ ls ~cvs/src/etc/rc.i386* ls: /usr/local/cvs/src/etc/rc.i386*: No such file or directory $ ls ~cvs/src/etc/etc.i386/rc.i386* /usr/local/cvs/src/etc/etc.i386/rc.i386,v I've submitted a bug report for /etc/rc on this basis, BTW. > Thanks for the other typo corrections! You're welcome! From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 21 21:18:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA09575 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 21:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA09568 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 21:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA77889; Wed, 22 May 1996 04:18:49 GMT Message-Id: <199605220418.EAA77889@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD doc Mailing list" , "John Fieber" Date: Wed, 22 May 96 00:17:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Getting ready to help Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 May 1996 18:36:44 -0500 (EST), John Fieber wrote: >On Fri, 17 May 1996, Sean Kelly wrote: > >> SGML would definitely be preferred. > >Alternatively, LaTeX isn't too bad because the markup semantics John, I will try to take a look at SGML, but I think I could start been productive much sooner if you gave me a template. Let's say I start working with the video and sound cards. If you gave me the page as you would like it to look and you create two dummy video card and two dummy sound cards I would have a simple model to follow. From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 21 22:47:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA18657 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scruz.net (nic.scruz.net [165.227.1.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18652 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover3 by scruz.net (8.7.3/1.34) id WAA24862; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31A2AACC.2D58@pinpt.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 22:49:00 -0700 From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Organization: PinPoint Software Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: About the HTML Handbook X-URL: file:///C|/Development Files/FreeBSD Handbook/handbook.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I can help with any typing and HTML design, I have experience with HTML and would like to help. -- --- Sean J. Schluntz schluntz@pinpt.com PinPoint Software Corporation http://www.pinpt.com Phone: 408-997-6900 ext. 222 Fax: 408-323-2300 From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 22 01:33:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA29047 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA29039 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA04849; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:33:18 -0700 (PDT) To: James Raynard cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Corrections to Linux Emulation Docs In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 19:10:02 GMT." <199605211910.TAA18940@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 01:33:18 -0700 Message-ID: <4847.832753998@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > That's what I thought, but that's not what's in the CVS tree that I > checked out on Sunday night:- That's just your source tree and something that has nothing whatsoever to do with the final _installation_ location of that file. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 22 06:20:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA25795 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25789 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07112; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:20:31 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:20:31 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: "Sean J. Schluntz" cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: About the HTML Handbook In-Reply-To: <31A2AACC.2D58@pinpt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 May 1996, Sean J. Schluntz wrote: > I can help with any typing and HTML design, I have experience with HTML > and would like to help. The HTML is machine generated. A [nt]roff wizard would be helpful though for the printed output. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 22 07:20:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA29088 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA29083; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07445; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:20:28 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:20:27 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: www@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org cc: erich@rrnet.com, matt@garply.com Subject: Tutorials are back. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've resurrected the old "Tutorials" page of documents that are of great potential use, but for some reason or another are not in the handbook. Currently there are only two docs, Eric L. Hernes Device Driver Writer's Guide and Matt Midboe introduction to MH. I have a couple more kicking around in my inbox that may show up soon. You can find them off the "Documentation" link on the FreeBSD home page, or directly at http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 22 09:22:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA07690 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host.igs.net (root@host.igs.net [206.248.16.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07684 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ttyB12.ott.igs.net (ttyB12.ott.igs.net [206.248.17.118]) by host.igs.net (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA05481; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199605221622.MAA05481@host.igs.net> Date: Wed, 22 May 96 12:22:36 -0700 From: "Chris K. Skinner" Organization: Bytown Marine Limited, Nepean/Kanata, Ontario, Canada X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,list.freebsd-questions To: doc@freebsd.org, support@cdrom.com Subject: FreeBSD 2.1 Documentation and Installation of "Everything" to 2.1 Gig drive. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear documenting dudes for freebsd, Hi. Nice job so far. Warning: I'm only a Dos/Windows C-programmin' dude with minimal UNIX going on in my head. The learning curve for me is big because of the following: 1. There are configuration files all over the place, each one with a different name or "file extension" and so on. 2. The existing sysinstall facility just gets you started and leaves a bunch of configuration items incomplete: samba, DNS/named configuration, NFS client/server software, routed, apache, and other of the distribution packages. Re-configuration seems not to take into consideration existing settings and overwrites some hand-crafted settings with the old, non-functional defaults. 3. X-windows: wow--it's quite a bit different than Win3.1x or Win95! For items 1, 2, 3, I bought the BSD Docs Walnut Creek CD-Rom, but it did not have direct answers to questions like: 1. What is the name of each config file and its location? 2. Does one edit each config file or is there a config utility program to manipulate the file? 3. For 2 or more example installation complexity levels, what are the key elements to understand about the each type of config file on the system? Give at least a beginner, and an intermediate example. 4. What are the differences between X-windows and MS-windows? Like how do ya start the darned thing? (I had to get an e-mail reply to tell me that you do a startx command to get going!) Exclude the obvious user interface operational differences and concentrate on the setup of the environment and the configuration of a couple of X- applications such as Netscape 2.02 for BSD. Test your example setup steps. What steps can be made to bridge any deficiencies that X-windows might not have over MS-windows like file type associations, OLE2, TTFonts, DDE, NetDDE, filesharing, icon files in a program manager or file manager user interface shell program--I dunno, I'm no expert--other stuff? 5. What are the major configuration choices that have to be made? What impact will these decisions have on operation of the system at a later stage (as the disk gets full or other)? I found that I have re-installed the software 5 times now. Each time I do it, I correct for a bad answer that I gave the first several times. This might be OK if I had a Pentium Pro 200 MHz with 512 Mbytes Ram and a 12x speed CD-Rom, but I don't and the process each time takes a couple of hours to do. The first couple of times no harm was done to the configuration, but the latter few times cause a bunch of the customized configuration files and user setups to be stepped-on and overwritten with the default crap. I chose the defaults for the file partitioning/disk labeling process, but it turned out that the "Everything install" that I did ran out of /var or /tmp or / root disk file blocks and got a disk full error in the middle of unpacking distribution apps. I examined which of the items ran out, then I multiplied the default by 10 to get a bit of head room for the next install attempt. 30 Mbytes turned into 300 Mbytes. The frigging thing ought to install its 700 Mbytes into a 2.1 Gig drive that has a 440 Mbyte Dos partition already setup? The sysinstall program is amazing! But maybe it does too much all at once for configuring the system. Perhaps it should be segmented into a couple of standard components that call "plug and play"-type scripts from the application being installed so that each item can not only be copied to the disk, but configured and maybe test launched (after some context info is saved to disk if re-booting is required). Microsoft has steadily improved its installation mechanisms so that applications are easy to install. INI files and system registration database file(s) are in the Windows directory and aren't scattered all over the place. Paths to application executables are frequently not required because the application group/icon/short-cut files contain the setup context required for each application to be launched correctly. Now, re-booting/re-starting MS-windows is less required than it used to be. Settings are re-read and refresh the existing run-time session. When certain disk drive mappings change, short-cut files have the changes propagated to them. Some positive things about FreeBSD: 1. When somebody buys the CDs, they seem to get a good lot of stuff to start out with and for very nearly zero cost! 2. The mount_msdos capability seems to even be able to read Extended "On-track Disk Manager" partitions of MS-Dos file systems (I have not fully tested this but...). 3. No need to use any large disk translation schemes to beat the 1024 cylinder barrier that Dos has imposed for years. 4. If you've got the requisite supported hardware, installation proceeds fairly painlessly compared to Linux because the hardware detection probes seem to work fairly reasonably. It is on par with Win95 or very nearly. In an effort to make the learning curve less trial and error, I've purchased the "Linux Network Administrator's Guide" from O'Reilly & Assc. I was going to by the "DNS and Bind" book but it cost nearly $10 more and was less broad in its scope. I've only just got the thing and so have not read it cover to cover. I hear that there is a 5 volume set (one with CD Rom(s) and one without). The cost is US$150 so I was quoted CDN$220 by a bookstore here in Ottawa. Anybody got any comments about the set--do they go out of date too quickly to be worth the money? A question for Walnut Creek support: what's the 2nd BSD 2.1 CD-Rom for; I've looked at it but it seems to have similar stuff on it as the first one? TIA for any positive development any of y'alls can give. Regards, Chris K. Skinner. From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 22 10:20:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11596 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11591; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk ([158.152.50.150]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id KAA25991; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id QAA09950; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:44:34 +0100 (BST) To: Bruce Evans cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: sysctl parameters In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 May 1996 02:36:43 +1000." <199605171636.CAA29775@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:44:34 +0100 Message-ID: <9948.832779874@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans wrote in message ID <199605171636.CAA29775@godzilla.zeta.org.au>: > >You know, it would be good if someone (or a group) could document what > >all the different sysctl parameters do. I'm particularly mystified by > >what some of the net.* parameters do and would love an explanation > >which doesn't involve trying to unravel several hundred K of source > >code. > Aren't they documented in sysctl.3 and/or sysctl.8? These man pages > are a bit out of date but still much better than ioctl.2. Nope, not fully anyhow. Infact, only the most basic flags seem to be documented, and the ``interesting'' ones which could actually improve routing & TCP throughput seem to be missed out. I think a mention in the handbook wouldn't go amiss either, esp. in the relevant section (i.e. put net.* stuff in the networking chapter, etc) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 22 11:02:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14407 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merak.idola.net.id (merak.IdOLA.net.id [202.152.0.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14393 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pppsby5.IdOLA.net.id by merak.idola.net.id; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Mar96-0518PM) id AA05181; Thu, 23 May 1996 01:03:18 +0700 Message-Id: <9605221803.AA05181@merak.idola.net.id> Date: Thu, 23 May 96 06:37:15 -0700 From: Tjahyo Santoso X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: BSD Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 22 11:12:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15156 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15151 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA01694; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:12:19 -0700 (PDT) To: "Chris K. Skinner" cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, support@cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.1 Documentation and Installation of "Everything" to 2.1 Gig drive. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 May 1996 12:22:36 PDT." <199605221622.MAA05481@host.igs.net> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:12:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1692.832788738@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The learning curve for me is big because of the following: Yes, I'm afraid we're well aware of some of the steeper parts of UNIX's learning curve. About the best book I can recommend right now is the Evi Nemeth book on Unix system administration - there's a biblio ref for it at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/bibliography.html > 2. The existing sysinstall facility just gets you started and leaves a > bunch of configuration items incomplete: samba, DNS/named > configuration, NFS client/server software, routed, apache, and Yes, that's sort of the pont where we expect the user to "take it from there." Automating this stuff is frankly difficult, and there are only so many hours in the day. :-( We'd like to do more in this area, truly. > For items 1, 2, 3, I bought the BSD Docs Walnut Creek CD-Rom, but it > did not have direct answers to questions like: I'm afraid that the FreeBSD Docs CDROM is *not* a "quick reference CD" so much as it is a raw data dump of stuff you might want to point a more generic search engine at. I'm hoping that the next CDROM will have more to offer the novice and skilled documentation browser alike. > 1. What is the name of each config file and its location? > [list of good documentation questions elided] Good questions all! Now we just need to find someone with the time to fill in all the blanks in understandable english. :-) > I hear that there is a 5 volume set (one with CD Rom(s) and one > without). The cost is US$150 so I was quoted CDN$220 by a > bookstore here in Ottawa. Anybody got any comments about the > set--do they go out of date too quickly to be worth the > money? I'm afraid I've not heard anything about this. > A question for Walnut Creek support: what's the 2nd BSD 2.1 > CD-Rom for; I've looked at it but it seems to have similar stuff > on it as the first one? It's everything unpacked in "live" format - e.g. you can run things directly off of it if you're short on diskspace or running a comparison to see which binaries have changed. Later editions of this will have a full tripwire database for security auditing. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 22 11:58:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17855 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17850 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA15748; Wed, 22 May 96 18:58:44 GMT Message-Id: <9605221858.AA15748@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA107381525; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:58:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:58:45 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: cskinner@bml.ca Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605221622.MAA05481@host.igs.net> (cskinner@bml.ca) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.1 Documentation and Installation of "Everything" to 2.1 Gig drive. Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Chris" == "Chris K Skinner" writes: Chris> Dear documenting dudes for freebsd, Hi. Nice job so far. Thanks! Chris> Warning: I'm only a Dos/Windows C-programmin' dude with Chris> minimal UNIX going on in my head. We'll work on fixing that ... :-) Chris> The learning curve for me is big because of the following: Chris> 1. There are configuration files all over the place, each Chris> one with a different name or "file extension" and so on. Most of the configuration files should all reside under /etc or in a subdirectory under /etc. Some programs will accept their config files in other places as well---for example, the X Window server will look in /etc/XF86Config as well as /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config. When you've got some software the gives you the option, locating its config file in /etc is a good idea. File extensions ... they don't really exist in Unix except by convention. For most Unix configuration files, there's *no* extension. Here's a sampling: System Use Config file(s) sysconfig Boot-time parameters /etc/sysconfig host table Local host name/addrs /etc/hosts tip Modem/terminal dialout /etc/remote, /etc/modems getty Logins /etc/gettytab init Logins, process mgmt /etc/inittab lpd Printer spooler /etc/printcap inetd Internet superdaemon /etc/inted.conf sendmail Mail queueing/transfer /etc/sendmail.cf, /etc/aliases XFree86 Windowing system /etc/XF86Config term I/O Terminal ctrl sequences /etc/termcap kernel conf Configuring Unix kernel /sys/i386/conf/ Chris> 2. The existing sysinstall facility just gets you started Chris> and leaves a bunch of configuration items incomplete: Chris> samba, DNS/named configuration, NFS client/server software, Chris> routed, apache, and other of the distribution packages. Probably because we need to be able to start sysinstall from a floppy and enabling it to configure all those other things would make it too large to fit on a single disk. Besides, a lot of installations (mine, for example) don't need samba, DNS, NFS, apache, etc. Chris> Re-configuration seems not to take into consideration Chris> existing settings and overwrites some hand-crafted settings Chris> with the old, non-functional defaults. I'd recommend using sysinstall just to get the system installed and bootable. After that, use your favorite text editor in the classic Unix fashion to change the system configuration. Chris> 3. X-windows: wow--it's quite a bit different than Win3.1x Chris> or Win95! Indeed. It's a portable, network-transparent window system---and a major headache. Chris> For items 1, 2, 3, I bought the BSD Docs Walnut Creek Chris> CD-Rom, I think the book ``Installing and Running FreeBSD'' might have been even better help. Walnut Creek has a good return policy. You could return the BSD Docs CD-ROM and get the book instead. Chris> but it did not have direct answers to questions like: Chris> 1. What is the name of each config file and its location? There are just too many of them to list 'em all. Again, most reside in /etc. Some are built (``compiled'') from plain text files and also reside in /etc. Be sure you type man 5 Section 5 of the manual describes file formats; there should be a manual entry for many of the configuration files. For example, to get the format of the /etc/fstab config file, type man 5 fstab (In many cases, you can omit the `5'.) Finally, feel free to ask SPECIFIC questions on a particular topic and we'll help you in setting up a specific config file. For example, when you're ready to set up DNS/named, let us know and we'll help. Chris> 2. Does one edit each config file or is there a config Chris> utility program to manipulate the file? Edit by hand using your favorite text editor. Note that some programs you may add later (such as from the ports or packages collections, or from the Internet) may come with their own config file editors. Most don't. Chirs> 3. For 2 or more example installation complexity levels, Chirs> what are the key elements to understand about the each type Chirs> of config file on the system? Give at least a beginner, Chirs> and an intermediate example. Beginner: Most config files describe an entry on a single line with whitespace to separate each field. For example, in /etc/hosts, I have: 127.0.0.1 localhost.fsl.noaa.gov localhost 137.75.7.40 rose.fsl.noaa.gov rose This excerpt contains two entries: one for network address 127.0.0.1, which maps to two different names (localhost.fsl.noaa.gov, and localhost), and another entry. Type man 5 hosts for more info. Intermediate: Some config files use the `capability syntax' ... each entry spans several physical lines but are contained in a single logical line by escaping each end of line with backslashes. Here's an excerpt from my /etc/printcap file: bamboo|ps|PS|lp|eeep|Panasonic KX-P4455 PostScript v51.4:\ :lp=/dev/ttyd5:fs#0x8a000c1:xs#0x820:br#38400:rw:sf:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/bamboo:af=/var/spool/lpd/bamboo/acct:pl#66:pw#80:\ :mx#0:rs:sh:sc:rg=printer:\ :df=/usr/local/libexec/psif-dvi:\ :rf=/usr/local/libexec/psif-fortran:\ :tf=/usr/local/libexec/psif-troff:\ :if=/usr/local/libexec/psif: Here's a single entry for a printer named `bamboo' hooked up to /dev/ttyd5 in read-write mode. Type man 5 printcap man 3 termcap for more info. Chirs> 4. What are the differences between X-windows and Chirs> MS-windows? Like how do ya start the darned Chris> thing? There are too many differences between the two window systems to list in a single email message. The most striking difference is that in Microsoft Windows, programs running on the local machine interact with the local display. With X windows, there's a separation of process from display, so a process can run anywhere and display anywhere, be it local or remote. Another difference is the separation between policy and mechanism, but that's just a copout that resulted in a boondoggle that crippled graphics performance and forced a stupid user interface standard on the Unix community. See the book _The Unix Haters' Handbook_ for more details. To start MS windows, type `win'. To start X windows, type `startx' ... usually. You might also want to type `xinit'. And some people even set up their systems so that instead of a text-mode `login:' prompt they go right into X windows with a fancy windowing `login:' prompt. To install XFree86, the X Window System that comes with FreeBSD, you must edit your /etc/XF86Config file to tell the software what kind of graphics card you have, what kind of monitor you have, and what kind of mouse you're using. A quick way to do that is to run the program `xf86config' which tries to do a lot of the work for you. You may still have to do things by hand if you have less popular graphics cards and/or monitors. Also, type man XF86Config Chris> bridge any deficiencies that X-windows might not have over Chris> MS-windows like file type associations, OLE2, TTFonts, DDE, Chris> NetDDE, filesharing, icon files in a program manager or Chris> file manager user interface shell program--I dunno, I'm no Chris> expert--other stuff? Are you sure you want to run a Unix style operating system? Chirs> 5. What are the major configuration Chris> choices that have to be made? What impact will these Chris> decisions have on operation of the system at a later stage Chris> (as the disk gets full or other)? It depends on what you want to do with your system. If you want to set up a web server, you'll want to pick, install, configure, and run web server software. If you want to set up a news server, you'll want to pick, install, cinfigure, and run news server software. Invariably, you'll want to edit your kernel config file and make a custom kernel. The FreeBSD handbook has a thorough section on how to do that; use your favorite web browser on either file:/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html (on FreeBSD 2.1 systems) http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook.html (anywhere) and look for ``Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel.'' -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 22 14:42:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA00616 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00610 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00333; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:40:17 -0700 (PDT) To: Sean Kelly cc: cskinner@bml.ca, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.1 Documentation and Installation of "Everything" to 2.1 Gig drive. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 May 1996 12:58:45 MDT." <9605221858.AA15748@fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:40:16 -0700 Message-ID: <331.832801216@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I think the book ``Installing and Running FreeBSD'' might have been > even better help. Walnut Creek has a good return policy. You could > return the BSD Docs CD-ROM and get the book instead. It's even more liberal than that - if he'd be better satisfied with the book then we'll send him the book in exchange and he can keep the CD (it costs more money for him to ship it and us to process the return than it's worth). Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 22 18:11:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA20185 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20174 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ac26846; 23 May 96 1:54 +0100 Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa26144; 23 May 96 1:48 +0100 Received: (from fdocs@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id BAA12463; Thu, 23 May 1996 01:29:37 GMT Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 01:29:37 GMT From: James Raynard Message-Id: <199605230129.BAA12463@jraynard.demon.co.uk> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <4847.832753998@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Corrections to Linux Emulation Docs Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > That's what I thought, but that's not what's in the CVS tree that I > > checked out on Sunday night:- > > That's just your source tree and something that has nothing whatsoever > to do with the final _installation_ location of that file. Oops, sorry about that. In that case, perhaps it might be worth changing the reference to rc.i386 in section 21.1.2, something like this:- After 2. This, in turn, triggers the following action in /etc/rc.i386: # Start the Linux binary emulation if requested. if [ "X${linux}" = X"YES" ]; then echo -n ' '; linux # XXX BOGUS - Linux script shouldn't make any output on success fi add If the above lines are missing from /etc/rc.i386, they need to be added in order to load the Linux LKM at boot time. as the files in /etc don't get updated by a 'make world' (touch wood!). Hopefully this will help out the people who are having problems. From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 23 05:10:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA07088 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from platon.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (dns1.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.44.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA07072 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from platon (platon.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk [134.219.96.1]) by platon.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA27471 ; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:11:58 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:11:58 +0100 (BST) From: " Stephen P. Butler" X-Sender: stephen@platon To: "Chris K. Skinner" cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.1 Documentation and Installation of "Everything" to 2.1 Gig drive. In-Reply-To: <1692.832788738@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 May 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I hear that there is a 5 volume set (one with CD Rom(s) and one > > without). The cost is US$150 so I was quoted CDN$220 by a > > bookstore here in Ottawa. Anybody got any comments about the > > set--do they go out of date too quickly to be worth the > > money? > > I'm afraid I've not heard anything about this. Could this be the 4.4BSD manuals from O'Reilly? 1) User's Reference Manual. 2) Programmer's Reference Manual. 3) System Administrator's Manual. 4) User's Supplementary Documentation. 5) Programmer's Supplementary Guide. I guess the CD would be the O'Reilly 4.4-lite CD ROM. I think they're pretty good reference books but not necessarily good beginners books. I suspect someone else will be able to give you a much better opinion on this though. I would imagine there would be no need to get the 4.4-lite CD ROM since more recent versions of this stuff are already on the FreeBSD CD ROM. Again, I expect someone may be better able to confirm this. For more information, try pointing your web browser at: http://www.ora.com/www/catalog/prdindex.html The 4.4BSD manuals are at the top of the page. Also, try looking at: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/bibliography.html for more book suggestions. Hope you find the above useful. Regards, Stephen. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- |Stephen Butler |stephen@dcs.rhbnc.ac.uk | |Computer Science Undergraduate. | | |Royal Holloway, University of London.| | | | | ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 23 05:12:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA07247 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA07219 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA246666; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:11:57 GMT Message-Id: <199605231211.MAA246666@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD doc Mailing list" , "John Fieber" Date: Thu, 23 May 96 08:10:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Could not get SGML pages Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 May 1996 11:13:39 -0500 (EST), John Fieber wrote: >On Wed, 22 May 1996, Francisco Reyes wrote: >Also remember that content is the most important. If you don't >want too mess with SGML, just use plain text and we can do the >SGML tagging. Are you kidding! I live for learning new things. :) It is just that I am going to have to get a book. I tried an online primer I found on the web and it didn't help much. I could at the very least supply you with HTML. Iam still taking finals and have some projects, but I wanted to give you an idea of my plans regarding FreeBSD doc. I am thinking to start helping first with PC hardware compatibility since that is rather empty. After than I am planning to work in the PPP configuration. Could we get someone to create a form to place in the current pages so people could supply their configuration in a formated way? What I am looking for is a form that would generate a file that could be parsed. For instance something like: #CPU: Intel 486/33 #Video card: Speedstar #Hard Drive: Maxtor...... The leading character can be anything of course I just thought of # but as long as it will be something uncommon in a sentence it will be fine. In the initial stages I would like the info to be emailed to me since I am planning to start by using either REXX or Foxpro. Later on I wan to convert the program/script to either C or perhaps Perl (after I learn it) so it could be run by anyone using FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 23 05:21:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA07719 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA07714 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA03725; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:19:58 -0700 (PDT) To: " Stephen P. Butler" cc: "Chris K. Skinner" , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.1 Documentation and Installation of "Everything" to 2.1 Gig drive. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 May 1996 13:11:58 BST." Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 05:19:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3723.832853998@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I guess the CD would be the O'Reilly 4.4-lite CD ROM. I think they're > pretty good reference books but not necessarily good beginners books. > I suspect someone else will be able to give you a much better opinion > on this though. I would imagine there would be no need to get the > 4.4-lite CD ROM since more recent versions of this stuff are already > on the FreeBSD CD ROM. Again, I expect someone may be better able to > confirm this. I've got all of the above stuff and can confirm that, yes, both the 4.4 Lite doc set and CDROM are primarily reference and hacker fodder. If you're looking for beginner's material, don't even bother looking in that direction. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 23 06:42:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA12549 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA12544 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02206; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:24:13 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:24:12 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: Francisco Reyes cc: FreeBSD doc Mailing list Subject: Re: Could not get SGML pages In-Reply-To: <199605231211.MAA246666@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 May 1996, Francisco Reyes wrote: > I am thinking to start helping first with PC hardware compatibility > since that is rather empty. After than I am planning to work in Yes indeed. What I think this section needs first is a good plan. We need to clearly define the scope of the section and the format for the entries. I personally think the nature of this section is ill defined at the moment, and it shows in the entries. Some observations: * A comprehensive list of compatible hardware would be utterly impossible to develop or maintain, but... * A listing of officially supported hardware, and specific hardware commonly known to work well with FreeBSD are helpful to new users, and those purchasing or building systems explicitly for FreeBSD. * Likewise, notes identifying known incompatible hardware, or quirky hardware with workarounds are also very helpful. * There are procedures that are closely tied to specific hardware, but this information is quite different from the above "good" and "bad" and "quirky" listings. Maybe this sort of thing actually belongs elsewhere? > Could we get someone to create a form to place in the current pages > so people could supply their configuration in a formated way? Certainly. > What I am looking for is a form that would generate a file that > could be parsed. For instance something like: > > #CPU: Intel 486/33 > #Video card: Speedstar > #Hard Drive: Maxtor...... Or, since I'm an SGML junkie, howe about something like: Intel 486 33