From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 17 06:44:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA18391 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 06:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18386 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 06:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA29494 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:37:53 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.7.2/8.7.2) id PAA22387; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:37:45 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:37:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199606171337.PAA22387@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: 'Choose a country' button MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~wosch/freebsd/index.html For people who like a 'Choose a country' button instead a long mirror list. See also www.ibm.com or www.microsoft.com. Wolfram From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 17 19:32:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18792 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iberia.it.earthlink.net (iberia-c.it.earthlink.net [206.85.92.119]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18750 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (pool006.Max12.Chicago.IL.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.24.134]) by iberia.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA28103 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31C630DC.1096@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:30:20 -0700 From: TWiNKiE Organization: TWiNKiE.iNC X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Handbook... X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm writing concerning the interest in a complete listing of all the info contained in the FreeBSD *OnLine* Handbook be compiled into *1* file for the purpose of a quick and easy print-out. This would save me quite a bit of time and the strain on my eyes from reading page after page on the monitor. If I've missed where this is already located, please correct me, but I didn't see what I've requested on the web page. If this can't be done, or you don't have the time to do so, then please inform me of this ASAP so I can begin capturing the 75+ files located just off of the __org/handbook/handbook.html page. Thank you for any and all help you can provide me. From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 17 21:08:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA23195 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23187 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA06813 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:37:52 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:37:52 +0930 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199606180407.NAA06813@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Handbook... Newsgroups: apana.sa.lists.freebsd-doc X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <4q55u4$4et@al.imforei.apana.org.au> you wrote: : Hello, I'm writing concerning the interest in a complete listing of all : the info contained in the FreeBSD *OnLine* Handbook be compiled into *1* : file for the purpose of a quick and easy print-out. This would save me : quite a bit of time and the strain on my eyes from reading page after : page on the monitor. If I've missed where this is already located, : please correct me, but I didn't see what I've requested on the web page. : If this can't be done, or you don't have the time to do so, then please : inform me of this ASAP so I can begin capturing the 75+ files located : just off of the __org/handbook/handbook.html page. Thank you for any and : all help you can provide me. I think you'll find postscript versions of the document already online at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/freebsd/doc ? or something like that... Alternatively you can get the source tree and use the sgml to build a postscript version. Peter -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds The internet is full, please try again in half an hour... From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 17 22:07:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA28203 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA28183 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA01992; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:06:52 -0700 (PDT) To: TWiNKiE cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Handbook... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:30:20 PDT." <31C630DC.1096@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:06:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1990.835074411@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, I'm writing concerning the interest in a complete listing of all > the info contained in the FreeBSD *OnLine* Handbook be compiled into *1* > file for the purpose of a quick and easy print-out. This would save me I guess the link we advertise for this just isn't advertised well enough because we seem to get this question a lot! :-) Please see: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/docs/handbook.ascii or ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/docs/handbook.ps.gz If you'd prefer to read postscript. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 18 03:46:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA16671 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 03:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA16666 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 03:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA80921; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:46:32 GMT Message-Id: <199606181046.KAA80921@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "John Fieber" , "FreeBSD doc Mailing list" Date: Tue, 18 Jun 96 06:45:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Hardware configuration in the handbook Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I noticed that section 10.5.3 in the handbook is empty (Disk/Tape controllers) while part of the information that is intended for there is basically what is in 2.1.1 (Supported configurations) The pages in question are: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook8.html http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook127.html#250 Any reason why these two are combined? Another approach is to have having a basic intro in the supported configurations (eg most scsi work.... ) and then have it point to the hardware compatibility. From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 19 06:59:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA14692 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 06:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from su1.in.net (su1.in.net [199.0.62.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA14687 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 06:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by su1.in.net (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA15828; Wed, 19 Jun 96 08:58:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:56:51 -400 (EDT) From: Jay Richmond Subject: multiple OS's howto To: doc@freebsd.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've written 98% of the multiple OS howto and expect to finish today. How do I go about converting this to SGML and what is the next step? Thanks, Jay jayrich@in.net WWW: http://www.in.net/~jayrich Address: 8106 Halyard Way, Indinapolis, IN 46236-9567 Phone: (317)823-1332 Fax: (317)823-2730 From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 19 08:28:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA19567 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19556 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA07196 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:58:31 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:58:31 +0930 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199606191528.AAA07196@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: multiple OS's howto Newsgroups: apana.sa.lists.freebsd-doc X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <4q92pq$59k@al.imforei.apana.org.au> you wrote: : I've written 98% of the multiple OS howto and expect to finish today. : How do I go about converting this to SGML and what is the next step? : Thanks, : Jay : jayrich@in.net From what I gather, grab the /usr/src/share/doc/handbook tree and check that out... It works ok here... a nice "template" version of this would be cool... Peter -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds The internet is full, please try again in half an hour... From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 19 08:55:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA22015 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22003 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.231.132.20]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15383(14)>; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:54:45 PDT Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-TB) id AA00640; Wed, 19 Jun 96 11:54:15 EDT Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27400; Wed, 19 Jun 96 11:54:13 EDT Message-Id: <9606191554.AA27400@gnu.mc.xerox.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.6 3/24/96 To: Jay Richmond Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: multiple OS's howto In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 19 Jun 1996 05:56:51 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:54:12 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm really impressed with system commander...its one of the few commercial pieces of software which has impressed me. I've used it with combinations of OS/2, NT, win95, freebsd and its worked flawlessly...it autodetects when an OS is added and puts it in a start menu... -- marty leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Member of the League for Programming Freedom From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 20 05:03:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA08420 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 05:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vesar (t10o3p6.telia.com [194.22.192.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA08415 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 05:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: root@vesar Received: (from root@localhost) by vesar (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA00208; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:02:49 GMT Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:02:49 GMT Message-Id: <199606201402.OAA00208@vesar> To: doc@freebsd.org X-URL: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.5FM Subject: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hello From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 20 09:45:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23805 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha.dsu.edu (ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu [138.247.32.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23800 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ghelmer@localhost) by alpha.dsu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23934 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:45:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:45:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Guy Helmer Reply-To: Guy Helmer To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Mistake in handbook Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook167.html, there is a section which reads: However, FreeBSD's default kernels do not come configured to forward packets (ie, your FreeBSD machine will not act as a router) due to Internet RFC requirements for Internet hosts (see RFC's 1009 [Requirements for Internet Gateways], 1122 [Requirements for Internet Hosts -- Communication Layers], and perhaps 1127 [A Perspective on the Host Requirements RFCs]), so if you want your FreeBSD SLIP Server to act as a router, you will have to add the line sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding = 0 to your rc.local file. It seems that the "sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding = 0" line should be corrected to read "sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding = 1", since 0 is the default. I appreciate the effort someone made to update this document, but since my name is still given as the author, I would greatly appreciate it if this were fixed! Thanks, Guy Guy Helmer, Dakota State University Computing Services - ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 20 10:17:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25628 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25622 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA13950; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:17:10 -0700 (PDT) To: Guy Helmer cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mistake in handbook In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:45:36 CDT." Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:17:10 -0700 Message-ID: <13948.835291030@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It seems that the "sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding = 0" line should be > corrected to read "sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding = 1", since 0 is the Yep, and the `gateway' flag mentioned for that matter. Fixed and committed, thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 20 14:14:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA09198 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09071 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-2) with ESMTP id VAA06976; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 21:37:25 +0100 (BST) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Guy Helmer , doc@FreeBSD.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Mistake in handbook In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:17:10 PDT." <13948.835291030@time.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 21:37:24 +0100 Message-ID: <6974.835303044@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote in message ID <13948.835291030@time.cdrom.com>: > > It seems that the "sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding = 0" line should be > > corrected to read "sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding = 1", since 0 is the I dunno if I skipped the original mail or it got eaten en-route to me, but the spaces either side of the `='s shouldn't be there either ... sysctl doesn't like it (at least the -stable version doesn't). Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 20 18:21:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA02951 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 18:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chris.bdd.net ([207.61.78.39]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02942 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 18:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chris.bdd.net (localhost.bdd.net [127.0.0.1]) by chris.bdd.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA00540; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 21:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <31C9F90E.41C67EA6@bdd.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 21:21:18 -0400 From: Matthew Stein Organization: ButtonDown Digital X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I'm interested in contributing! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For a little while, I've been accumulating notes that I've made about my exploits using, and fighting with parts of FreeBSD. With little work, I think I can turn them into handbook material. Are you interested? What do you need from me? -- mat. +-Matthew Stein-------------------------------------------- matt@bdd.net-+ | Network Design phone: +1 519 823-8577 | | ButtonDown Digital fax: +1 519 823-9556 | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 20 19:38:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA08098 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 19:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08085 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 19:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA04883; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 19:37:33 -0700 (PDT) To: Matthew Stein cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I'm interested in contributing! In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Jun 1996 21:21:18 EDT." <31C9F90E.41C67EA6@bdd.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 19:37:33 -0700 Message-ID: <4881.835324653@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > For a little while, I've been accumulating notes that I've made about > my exploits using, and fighting with parts of FreeBSD. With little work, > I think I can turn them into handbook material. Sounds good to me! Any attempt to fill in the `*'d portions of the Handbook will also be met with great enthusiasm! ;) > Are you interested? What do you need from me? Just the SGML formatted sources and some idea of where you'd like them integrated into the handbook. If it's changes to existing material, diffs will do fine! Thanks.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 21 04:39:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA10584 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 04:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA10570 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 04:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (snar@localhost) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) id OAA13659; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:38:02 +0300 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:38:02 +0300 Message-Id: <199606211138.OAA13659@burka.carrier.kiev.ua> To: doc@freebsd.org X-URL: mailto:doc@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2-4-2 From: snar@carrier.kiev.ua Subject: mailto:doc@freebsd.org Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 21 06:06:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA14070 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 06:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nygate.undp.org (nygate.undp.org [192.124.42.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA14065 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 06:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dc11664.undp.org by nygate.undp.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19046; Fri, 21 Jun 96 09:09:06 EDT Message-Id: <31CAC87E.71E7@undp.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:06:22 -0700 From: "Charles-Fran\gois THUEUX" Organization: UNDP X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please put me on your mailling list at the address : thueuch6@etud.dauphine.fr Thanks Charles-Francois THUEUX From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 21 15:11:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA07695 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07682; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk (am081.du.pipex.com [193.130.252.81]) by ref.tfs.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02477; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from fdocs@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id VAA09600; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 21:53:35 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 21:53:35 GMT Message-Id: <199606212153.VAA09600@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Revised ports entry for handbook Cc: ports@freebsd.org Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The SGML file is in ~jraynard/sgml on freefall and the HTML is at http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ports/ports.html (at least they should be by the time you read this). "Revised" is a slight misnomer as I've re-written it almost completely from scratch (sorry Gary and Jordan!). Comments welcomed! -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 21 15:16:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08016 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07984; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA03449; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:14:21 -0700 (PDT) To: James Raynard cc: doc@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Revised ports entry for handbook In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Jun 1996 21:53:35 GMT." <199606212153.VAA09600@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:14:21 -0700 Message-ID: <3447.835395261@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > "Revised" is a slight misnomer as I've re-written it almost completely > from scratch (sorry Gary and Jordan!). No, no, I keep telling you - the original document SUCKED and I'm very very glad that you've finally driven a stake through its heart! :-) > Comments welcomed! Will do. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 21 18:12:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA15954 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 18:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA15949 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 18:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA74517; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 01:12:42 GMT Message-Id: <199606220112.BAA74517@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "John Fieber" , "FreeBSD doc Mailing list" Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 21:11:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Documenting hardware configurations Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I sent this message a while back, but it seems it never made it to the list. *********** noticed that section 10.5.3 in the handbook is empty (Disk/Tape controllers) while part of the information that is intended for there is basically what is in 2.1.1 (Supported configurations) The pages in question are: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook8.html http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook127.html#250 Any reason why these two could not be combined? Another approach is to have having a basic intro in the supported configurations and then have it point to the hardware compatibility section. From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 21 18:42:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA16992 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 18:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16971; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 18:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA11291; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 20:38:00 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 20:37:59 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: James Raynard cc: doc@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Revised ports entry for handbook In-Reply-To: <199606212153.VAA09600@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, James Raynard wrote: > Comments welcomed! A *VAST* improvement! My one nit to pick is about the section on compiling from CD-ROM. If you just link /usr/ports/distfiles to the cdrom, any port which has to fetch a distfile from the net will fall flat on its face with a not-so-helpful error. That said, the correct thing to do is fix bsd.port.mk to automagically check /cdrom/ports/distfiles before marching off to the net to find things. Then you wouldn't need to link anything and the documentation would be much cleaner. I'd do it in a snap, but I'm dealing with a little backlog of other things at the moment. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 22 06:28:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA28824 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 06:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flopsy.hobart.TASed.EDU.AU (root@flopsy.hobart.TASed.EDU.AU [147.41.41.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA28810 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 06:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by flopsy.hobart.TASed.EDU.AU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA01512; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:28:16 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:28:12 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Reply-To: Andrew To: doc@freebsd.org cc: melvin@zytek.com Subject: Adddition to FAQ - Poppassd Message-ID: X-wibble: WonK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-848820827-835450092=:1504" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-848820827-835450092=:1504 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I hope this is the right way to go about this....I want to propose an addition to the FAQ re the availablilty of poppassd. Attached is my attempt at context diff as suggested on www.freebsd.org. I have done the modifications to freebsd-faq.ascii as produced from typing make in /usr/share/doc/FAQ in the source of FreeBSD-current ('cause sgml is something I haven't learnt yet...). Andrew -- mango takes advantage of the lack of t on sendmail --0-848820827-835450092=:1504 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="freebsd-faq.ascii.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Addition ofpoppassd KioqIGZyZWVic2QtZmFxLmFzY2lpLm9yaWcJU2F0IEp1biAyMiAyMjowNjox MCAxOTk2DQotLS0gZnJlZWJzZC1mYXEuYXNjaWkJU2F0IEp1biAyMiAyMzow NzoyOCAxOTk2DQoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioNCioqKiAyNzkxLDI3OTcgKioq Kg0KLS0tIDI3OTEsMjgxMiAtLS0tDQogICAgICAgICBqQHVyaWFoIDE5MiUN CiAgDQogIA0KKyAgIDEwLjE2LiAgSXMgdGhlcmUgYSBwb3J0IHRvIEZyZWVC U0Qgb2YgcG9wcGFzc2QsIHRoZSBFdWRvcmEgYW5kIE5VUE9QIGNoYW5nZQ0K KyAgIHBhc3N3b3JkIHNlcnZlcj8gSSB0cmllZCBwd3NlcnZlLTQgZnJvbSBm dHAucXVhbGNvbW0uY29tIGJ1dCBpdCBzYXlzICd2b2lkDQorICAgdmFsdWUg bm90IGlnbm9yZWQgYXMgaXQgb3VnaHQgdG8gYmUnIHdoZW4gSSB0cnkgdG8g Y29tcGlsZSBpdC4NCiAgDQorICAgU3RlcGhlbiBNZWx2aW4gPG1lbHZpbkB6 eXRlay5jb20+IGhhcyBtb2RpZmllZCBwb3Bhc3N3ZC5jIHNvIGl0IHdpbGwg Y29tcGlsZQ0KKyAgIHVuZGVyIEZyZWVCU0QuIEl0IGlzIGF2YWlsYWJsZSBm cm9tIGZ0cDovL3p5dGVrLmNvbS9wdWIvbWVsdmluL3BvcHBhc3NkLmMuDQor ICAgWW91IHdpbGwgYWxzbyBuZWVkIHRvIGFkZCAtbGNyeXB0IG9uIHRoZSBM SUJTIGxpbmUgaW4gdGhlIE1ha2VmaWxlLg0KKyANCisgICBJZiB5b3UgcHJl ZmVyIHlvdSBjYW4gZ2V0IHRoZSBmaWxlDQorICAgZnRwOi8vZnRwLmhvYmFy dC50YXNlZC5lZHUuYXUvcHViL3VuaXgvRnJlZUJTRC9wb3BwYXNzZC1GcmVl QlNELnRneiB3aGljaA0KKyAgIGNvbnRhaW5zIHBvcHBhc3NkLmMgYW5kIE1h a2VmaWxlIG1vZGlmaWVkIHRvIGNvbXBpbGUgdW5kZXIgRnJlZUJTRC4gRXh0 cmFjdA0KKyAgIHRoZSBhcmNoaXZlIGJ5IHR5cGluZzoNCisgDQorIAl0YXIg LXh6ZiBwb3BwYXNzZC1GcmVlQlNELnRneg0KKyANCisgICBOb3cgcmVhZCB0 aGUgZmlsZSBSRUFETUUuRnJlZUJTRC4NCiAgDQogIA0KICAgIDExLiAgU2Vy aWFsIENvbW11bmljYXRpb25zDQo= --0-848820827-835450092=:1504-- From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 22 07:20:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA03437 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 07:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk (jraynard.demon.co.uk [158.152.42.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03402 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 07:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from fports@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA16782; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 13:18:09 GMT Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 13:18:09 GMT Message-Id: <199606221318.NAA16782@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: jfieber@indiana.edu CC: fdocs@jraynard.demon.co.uk, doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from John Fieber on Fri, 21 Jun 1996 20:37:59 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: Revised ports entry for handbook Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> John Fieber writes: > > A *VAST* improvement! Thank you! > My one nit to pick is about the section on compiling from CD-ROM. > If you just link /usr/ports/distfiles to the cdrom, any port > which has to fetch a distfile from the net will fall flat on its > face with a not-so-helpful error. OK, I've put something in about this now (using kermit as an example). -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 22 11:54:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00639 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00618; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA21812; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:51:33 -0700 (PDT) To: James Raynard cc: doc@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Revised ports entry for handbook In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Jun 1996 21:53:35 GMT." <199606212153.VAA09600@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:51:33 -0700 Message-ID: <21809.835469493@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The SGML file is in ~jraynard/sgml on freefall and the HTML is at > http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ports/ports.html (at least they > should be by the time you read this). I also agree with John - a VAST improvement! When can we bring it into the handbook? I'm rarin' to go NOW! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 22 11:56:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00835 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00816; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA23570; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:54:08 -0700 (PDT) To: James Raynard cc: doc@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Revised ports entry for handbook In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Jun 1996 21:53:35 GMT." <199606212153.VAA09600@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:54:08 -0700 Message-ID: <23568.835469648@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The SGML file is in ~jraynard/sgml on freefall and the HTML is at > http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ports/ports.html (at least they > should be by the time you read this). P.S. I rather like it, but phrases like "Q. What's a tarball when it's at home?" are going to confuse the living bleep out of non-native (or even non-British) speakers of english. You might want to tone down the use of vernacular somewhat in deference to our large international audience. From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 22 12:26:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04048 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 12:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04039; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 12:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA13882; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 22:30:10 +0300 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 22:30:10 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: James Raynard , doc@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Revised ports entry for handbook In-Reply-To: <23568.835469648@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > The SGML file is in ~jraynard/sgml on freefall and the HTML is at > > http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ports/ports.html (at least they > > should be by the time you read this). > > P.S. I rather like it, but phrases like "Q. What's a tarball when > it's at home?" are going to confuse the living bleep out of I think it is a real cool question! What's the exact answer, after all? Sander > non-native (or even non-British) speakers of english. You might > want to tone down the use of vernacular somewhat in deference to > our large international audience. > From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 22 19:18:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA23483 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoover.stanford.edu (hoover.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23478 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU by HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #13307) id <01I67XXHOCQ800AE9A@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU>; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:17:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson Subject: Re: Revised ports entry for handbook To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: fdocs@jraynard.demon.co.uk Message-id: <01I67XXHPFB600AE9A@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"freebsd-doc@freebsd.org" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"fdocs@jraynard.demon.co.uk",ANDRSN MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here are a few comments on the port installation document, just quoting the parts of it on which I have questions/comments. > Fear not, gentle reader, all will become clear (hopefully). Let's see > what happens if we try and install a port. I've chose `bash', also > known as the Bourne-Again Shell, as that seems fairly typical. > > Note if you're trying this at home, you'll need to be root. ># make install Before you get this far, you might want to explain that all ports involve two parts, the skeleton files and the source file (also known as the distfile), and possibly even that the skeleton files look (by default) for the distfile in /usr/ports/distfiles; and that the skeleton files include a Makefile; and finally that "make install" is the basic command for making a port, and that it's invoked in the directory of the skeleton files that includes the Makefile (and this directory must be writable). > 8. Register the installation in the packages database. This means > that, if you don't like the program, you can cleanly remove all > traces of it from your system. Interesting, there's no evidence in my packages database for any port I've ever done, except for those done using lndir. >1.3.1. Compiling ports from CDROM > This is pretty straightforward. First make sure the FreeBSD CDROM is > in the drive and mounted on, say, /cdrom. Then, if you're interested > in, say, the gnats port in the databases directory, do ># mkdir /usr/ports ># cd /usr/ports ># ln -s /cdrom/ports distfiles distfiles Once this symbolic link is established (assuming a / between ports and distfiles instead of a space), attempts to ftp for the source tarball will fail, because the write will be to the cdrom. Nor will it be possible (I think) to get the distfile and put it in /usr/ports/distfiles, as a user without (yet) access to the Internet from FreeBSD might try to do (or one who wants the "latest" port). Script started on Sat Jun 22 13:54:07 1996 andrsn: {1} make >> cku190.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist on this system. >> Attempting to fetch from ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/. NcFTP: and . (30): Read-only file system .... >> Couldn't fetch it - please try to retreive this >> port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles and try again. *** Error code 1 Stop. .... andrsn: {2} exit On the other hand if the symbolic link isn't there, the program won't find any tarball on the cdrom and it won't be able to get the other programs that might be needed--e.g., xv needs jpeg and tiff but won't get them. ># cd /usr/ports ># mkdir databases ># cp -R /cdrom/ports/databases/gnats databases ># cd databases/gnats ># make install Sometimes "make all install" is suggested. This is unnecessary or identical? > If you don't like the above methods, here's a completely different way > of doing it:- There are good reasons why I shouldn't like the above methods! Definitely inferior. >The ports collection is easy to use from CDROM, and all you need to do >is to create a "link tree" to it using the lndir(1) command that comes >with the XFree86 distribution. Find a location with some free space >and create a directory there, and make a symbolic link from /usr/ports This symbolic link has no purpose unless one has two /usr partitions? > to that directory. Then invoke the lndir(1) command with the full > pathname of the ``ports'' directory on the CDROM as an argument (this > might be, for example, something like: lndir /cdrom/ports). Then you > can build ports directly off the CDROM by building them in the link > tree you have created. You might want to provide the full command here-- lndir /cdrom/ports /usr/ports or lndir /cdrom/ports /usr/local/xxx, where /usr/local/xxx is the directory to which /usr/ports is symbolically linked (??? not so simple and obvious, is it) rather than depending on the user being in the right place and knowing that the second argument to lndir is the present working directory. When lndir is used, /usr/ports/distfiles is checked first for the distfile. This is a writable directory, so if the user has gotten the distfile in some round-about way, it can be put there. (I wanted MIT's "distfile" for pgp, for example, because I trust this site more than the default location in the Makefile.) Also if the Makefile for a particular port needs to be edited (as does the Makefile for pgp), the symbolic link to the Makefile on the cdrom can be deleted and the Makefile itself copied to the appropriate directory, where it can be edited. (It might need to be explained that lndir creates symbolic links to files, so that the use of lndir is not confused with the symbolic-link approach described earlier.) Furthermore when using lndir any other ports needed will be found, e.g., xv will be able to find jpeg and tiff. It seems to me the lndir approach to ports is so obviously superior to a symbolic link to the distfiles on the cdrom or not using a symbolic link or lndir that it's worth explaining, and worth explaining how to get lndir if X-Windows isn't installed (is it on the live file system? or could one do a minimal X-Windows installation, copy lndir to /usr/local/bin or elsewhere, and zap X-Windows if one doesn't want it? why not include lndir in the basic distribution?). Presumably an alternative is to copy the entire /cdrom/ports structure to /usr/ports. This takes maybe 3 megabytes, whereas the lndir link takes almost nothing? > With half a dozen straightforward commands, we have now got a set of > database programs on our FreeBSD machine! All we did that was > different from getting a single port skeleton and building it was that > we got a whole directory at once, and compiled everything in it at > once. Pretty impressive, no? Unless the port needs something else that's not available...in which case it will just quit, and the user will have to get what it needs and install it first. [The paragraph deals with porting without the cdrom.] > * Q. I want to know what files make is going to need before it tries > to pull them down. > > A. 'make fetch-list' will display a list of the files needed for a > port. Whether one gets the skeleton files by ftp or from the cdrom, where is the make fetch-list command issued? I can't make it work on freefall. > * Q. There's so many ports it's hard to find the one I want. Is > there a list anywhere of what ports are available? > > A. Look in the INDEX file in /usr/ports. > > * Q. I'm in the gronkulators directory in ports, and I'd like to see > a brief summary of each port. Is this possible? > > A. Yes. The ``official'' way to do this is 'make describe', but I > prefer the output from >for i in *; do echo -n $i": "; cat $i/pkg/COMMENT; done One could substitute DESCR for COMMENT in the above and get a more complete description? Could one send this to a file? (And where should the make describe command be invoked?) > or the equivalent in the C and tcsh shells (sorry guys, you'll > have to work that out for yourselves). I have used the following to get, for example, all the descriptions of the ports or packages for printing. The /cdrom/ports/*/*/pkg/DESCR is the only place, as far as I know, that these more complete descriptions are available. I think "make describe" uses the COMMENT text. #!/bin/csh foreach f ( /cdrom/ports/print/*/pkg/DESCR ) cat $f >> /usr/local/print.txt end In any event the new write-up is a great improvement over what was there before! Annelise From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 22 23:43:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA04586 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA04581 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA02571; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:43:16 -0700 (PDT) To: Annelise Anderson cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, fdocs@jraynard.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Revised ports entry for handbook In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:17:36 PDT." <01I67XXHPFB600AE9A@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:43:16 -0700 Message-ID: <2569.835512196@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > (by default) for the distfile in /usr/ports/distfiles; and that the > skeleton files include a Makefile; and finally that "make install" is > the basic command for making a port, and that it's invoked in the Actually, strictly speaking it's "make all" - make install just installs the bits made by make all. > Interesting, there's no evidence in my packages database for any port > I've ever done, except for those done using lndir. He means the database in /var/db/pkg - the pkg_add command updates this area. > Once this symbolic link is established (assuming a / between ports > and distfiles instead of a space), attempts to ftp for the source > tarball will fail, because the write will be to the cdrom. Nor will Not for some time - this is checked now and the ports framework will yell appropriately, like so: jkh@time-> make >> /usr/ports/distfiles//p2c-1.21alpha2.tar.gz is a broken symlink. >> Perhaps a filesystem (most likely a CD) isn't mounted? >> Please correct this problem and try again. *** Error code 1 (this is where I've deliberately unmounted my CD). > Script started on Sat Jun 22 13:54:07 1996 > andrsn: {1} make > >> cku190.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist on this system. > >> Attempting to fetch from ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/. > NcFTP: and . (30): Read-only file system But if /usr/ports/distfiles is unwritable, this is still a problem.. :-) > Sometimes "make all install" is suggested. This is unnecessary or > identical? Well, this is a matter open to debate since although the ports collection sets up a dependency of install->all (which is why you thought that "install" actually did it all), it's not actually *quite* the UNIX tradition. If you go into /usr/src/bin/cat, for example, and do a `make install' before a `make all', you'll fall over in short order. Hence the "convention" under UNIX is to type "make all install" if you want to combine the two passes and it doesn't hurt to stick to convention in the ports collection, even if it's a little redundant. > >with the XFree86 distribution. Find a location with some free space > >and create a directory there, and make a symbolic link from /usr/ports > > This symbolic link has no purpose unless one has two /usr partitions? I'm not sure what you mean here. Also, I haven't read this whole document through so far or I'd have flagged this one as also potentially unnecessary if the user has answered yes to the "do you want to link the ports collection to your CDROM?" question during the installation. That should be noted someplace. > It seems to me the lndir approach to ports is so obviously superior to > a symbolic link to the distfiles on the cdrom or not using a symbolic > link or lndir that it's worth explaining, and worth explaining how to Well, it also has its drawbacks - the symlink tree eats a LOT of inodes. :( > get lndir if X-Windows isn't installed (is it on the live file system? It is.. It's also built into sysinstall, as I noted before, and you can select this option from the configuration menu. > Whether one gets the skeleton files by ftp or from the cdrom, where is > the make fetch-list command issued? I can't make it work on freefall. Strange - works for me! root@time-> cd /usr/ports/ You have new mail in /var/mail/jkh root@time-> make fetch-list ===> archivers ===> archivers/arc ===> archivers/gshar+gunshar ===> archivers/ha ===> archivers/hpack.non-usa.only /usr/bin/fetch ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/hpack/hpack79src.tar.Z ||echo hpack79src.tar.Z not fetched ===> archivers/lha ===> archivers/rar /usr/bin/fetch ftp://ftp.relcom.ru/unix/arcers/rar2bsdb.tgz ||echo rar2bsdb.tgz not fetched And so on... > >for i in *; do echo -n $i": "; cat $i/pkg/COMMENT; done > > One could substitute DESCR for COMMENT in the above and get a more > complete description? Could one send this to a file? (And where should > the make describe command be invoked?) Yeah, one could also do this - I really wouldn't try to override the functionality of describe here though (either in practice or on the document) since it's not really meant to do what James probably thought it did. Make describe is only meant to be used to create the INDEX file which should then be used as fodder for more advanced queries. Since there are all sorts of things one might wish to pull from a port to "describe" it, the index file facilitates finding the base directory, naming the ports DESCR file, and so on. Jordan