From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 8 11:09:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA26420 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26413; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ag14264; 8 Jul 96 17:54 GMT Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa25919; 8 Jul 96 18:25 +0100 Received: (from fdocs@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01482; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:10:10 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:10:10 GMT Message-Id: <199607081710.RAA01482@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: John Fieber Subject: Re: share/doc/FAQ/obj/freebsd-faq.html Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, jhs@freebsd.org, hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca, doc@freebsd.org Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In the impending revolution with the handbook/FAQ processing > machinery, there is a great opportunity. Namely, I'm thinking of > a DTD tuned for FAQ use. It would use the same low level > elements as Docbook, but wrapped in an FAQ structure. If you > have any thoughts about what the ideal structure for the killer > FAQ would be, let me know! Much more sophisticated manipulation > of the document will be possible. Sorry for the delay in replying to this. There will probably be more suggestions later, but two that strike me immediately are:- 1. The TOC entries should be separated from the question and answer section. At the moment, we can either have long detailed questions, which make the TOC look untidy, or we can have terse questions, which new users may find difficult to relate to their particular problem. Separating them would allow us to put terse summaries in the TOC, so that experienced users can look things up quickly, while the questions themselves can be more discursive and ``redundant'', describe problem symptoms in detail, etc. Also, this would allow the same question to appear in different forms in the TOC (eg ``How do I get a PS/2 mouse to work with FreeBSD?'' and ``How do I get my laptop's trackerball to work with FreeBSD?'' would both lead to the instructions on configuring a kernel with PS/2 support). 2. I don't know how feasible this is, but it would be really good to have some way of identifying keywords for an indexing program. For example, in the above example, ``laptop'', ``mouse'' and ``kernel'' would be keywords; a user with a laptop could go to a ``search the FAQ'' page, type in ``laptop'' and get this entry and all the other laptop-related pitfalls and handy hints in the FAQ. Or they could type in ``laptop and mouse'' to find out how to use their laptop mouse with FreeBSD. -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 8 12:31:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02114 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua (acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02019 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24657 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:29:57 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id WAA18917 for doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:29:56 +0300 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:29:56 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199607081929.WAA18917@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: To SGML gurus -- (fwd) ANNOUNCE: SDC 1.0 available Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml Organization: ElVisti Information center Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: Joerg Wittenberger Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml,comp.text Subject: ANNOUNCE: SDC 1.0 available Date: 2 Jul 1996 19:10:13 +0200 Organization: University of Technology Dresden Message-ID: <7p4tnqh98r.fsf@os.inf.tu-dresden.de> X-Url: http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~jw6 SDC version 1.0(beta) is available now. SDC is a well featured, free system aiming to make SGML suitable for day to day use. SDC compiles SGML documents into representations as PostScript, LaTeX, HTML, man pages, (emacs) info files and is a little RTF aware. The goal of SDC is to be author friendly, easy to use without the need of special editors and to hide as much of the backend as possible. Hence the required markup is minimized, mixed content type allow you to type text (almost) everywhere and get the desired meaning. There are no `special characters' but those special to SGML (< and &). With SDC it is really simple to write technical documentation, reports, books, letters, man pages, or prepare talks (with slides and hand outs). You can include some graphic (made with other tools, e.g., xfig, tgif or anything creating EPS-Files) or other special data representation (e.g., tlb/roff tables) and so on with ease. SDC allows you to convert from one DTD to another (and makes heavy use of internaly, e.g., when implying tags other DTD's require to type or when formating a manpage as a subdocument of something else). It's also not a big deal to use it with other DTD's than those supplied in the distribution. SDC's internals compare somewhat to STIL, but seem to require less knowledge of Scheme and less typing to write programs with. Whatever you do, while writing you never have to worry what the final result will look like. When done, you convert your writing into the desired target format by SDC and promised: it will look *at least* reasonable. Prior versions have been successfully used through the past three years. For detailed information have a look at: http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~jw6/doc/sdc/index.html it's also available by anonymous ftp from: ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de/pub/people/jerry/sdc-1.0beta.tar.gz -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. Phones/fax: +380 (44) { 244-0122, 276-0188, 271-3457, 271-3560 } "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 8 13:42:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07161 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from infinity (root@infinity.ccsi.com [198.6.201.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07141 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dipu.ccsi.com by infinity (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA29642; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 15:37:56 -0500 Message-Id: <31E18EA7.14EA@ccsi.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 15:41:43 -0700 From: Redgie Joy X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: HELP X-Url: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook17.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am only emailing because of extreme problems. When I boot up with the boot floppy the first time it gives me ERROR C:0 H:0 S:0 I have downloaded all the proper files with a binary connection and I have used rawrite.exe after formating a several floppies 3 times!!! I have tried it many times with a partition without formatted hard drive unformatted and have tried turning the auto feature on my bios for the hard drive off and manualy entering the numbers. I have a: Pentium 75 24mb EDO Quantum Fireball 540 connected to intel TRITON primary controller Number Nine s3 trio 64 chipset for video 2mb Vram NEC ATAPI cdrom 4X USR 14.4K V.42 Modem Awe32 Sound Blaster CHEAP ethernet card 10 mb per second standard settings ALL MY HARDWARE IS CONFIGURED AT DEFAULT FOR INSTALLATION PURPOSES CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME I AM IN DIRE NEED OF IT!!! From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 8 18:00:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA19361 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 18:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA19344 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 18:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id af22170; 9 Jul 96 1:00 GMT Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa15575; 9 Jul 96 1:35 +0100 Received: (from fdocs@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA03932; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:11:28 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:11:28 GMT Message-Id: <199607082211.WAA03932@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Modifications to FAQ Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm currently working on a rewrite of the FAQ, with a view to re-structuring it and adding a lot more questions (and answers!). However, I've also done some cleaning-up on the existing FAQ:- * Ruthlessly condense questions so they fit on a single line (the TOC is now actually readable in lynx!). In one or two cases, this has meant splitting up questions or incorporating part of the old question into the answer. * Make it clear that the question about disklabel'ing is actually about adding a second hard disk, provide a _much_ simpler answer and move it out of the installation section. * Don't imply that the AHA2920 is supported (I suspect we will get a lot of queries about this) * Reword the non-serious questions to hint that the answer may not be particularly informative... * Correct typos and grammar, tone down US colloquialisms :-) and many more. By the time you receive this, I should have a copy on http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/faq/freebsd-faq.html As always, comments and corrections are more than welcome. I'm hoping there might be time to squeeze this into 2.1.5, so let me know straight away if you spot any mistakes! -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 8 19:08:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA23930 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 19:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23919 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 19:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA215408036; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 19:07:17 -0700 Received: from hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA158968030; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 19:07:11 -0700 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA275898030; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 19:07:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199607090207.AA275898030@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> To: James Raynard Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Modifications to FAQ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Jul 1996 22:11:28 GMT." <199607082211.WAA03932@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 19:07:09 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm currently working on a rewrite of the FAQ, with a view to > re-structuring it and adding a lot more questions (and answers!). > However, I've also done some cleaning-up on the existing FAQ:- Looks good. Just some minor comments: * These questions should be adjacent to each other: 7.4. When I mount a CDROM, I get ``Incorrect super block''. 7.9. When I mount a CDROM, I get ``Device not configured''. * Regarding, "3.13. How can I add my new hard disk to my FreeBSD system?": You might want to mumble something to the effect that you must not select the boot manager option when adding a new hard disk (this is in sysinstall, right?). To the uninitiated, it seems obvious that choosing the boot manager option will cause FreeBSD to boot from the new disk, but reality is something else .... (Is this fixed in -current?) -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 8 23:37:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA03406 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03392 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA17047; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:32:34 +0200 From: Thomas Gellekum Message-Id: <199607090632.IAA17047@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: To SGML gurus -- (fwd) ANNOUNCE: SDC 1.0 available To: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua (Andrew V. Stesin) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:32:33 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199607081929.WAA18917@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> from "Andrew V. Stesin" at "Jul 8, 96 10:29:56 pm" Organization: Institut f. Hochfrequenztechnik, RWTH Aachen X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew V. Stesin wrote: [SDC announcement] This needs bigloo (yet another Scheme compiler) and sgmls (an SGML parser). I'll have the ports ready for post-2.1.5 if there's interest, but I think these dependencies make SDC nearly useless for us. tg From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 8 23:54:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA05541 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EDWARD.dorm6.nccu.edu.tw (EDWARD.dorm6.nccu.edu.tw [140.119.192.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA05527 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EDWARD.dorm6.nccu.edu.tw (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by EDWARD.dorm6.nccu.edu.tw (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00251 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:55:56 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <31E201FE.41C67EA6@edward.dorm6.nccu.edu.tw> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 14:55:56 +0800 From: edward Organization: E&J X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-960612-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I want to join mailing list!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My e-mail address is: edward@edward.dorm6.nccu.edu.tw Thankx...^_^ From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 9 07:36:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11146 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 07:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11137 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 07:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01930 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:30:23 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.7.2/8.7.2) id QAA24241; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:30:12 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:30:12 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199607091430.QAA24241@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: FYI: IDML MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://www.identify.com/welcome/idml-faq.html What is IDML? 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From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 9 11:47:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA27628 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.seas.ucla.edu (paulc@lightning.seas.ucla.edu [164.67.100.213]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27618 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:47:09 -0700 (PDT) From: paulc@seas.ucla.edu Received: by lightning.seas.ucla.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03(UCLA 2.05)noloc) id AA26617; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:46:56 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:46:56 -0700 Message-Id: <9607091846.AA26617@lightning.seas.ucla.edu> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: question Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I purchased FREEBSD2.1. I have questions about my ms-dos extended partition. To whom can I turn to for help? thanks paulc From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 9 17:17:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA20062 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20054 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-2) with ESMTP id BAA29562 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:17:09 +0100 (BST) To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Santiago Zapata: mx records & sendmail Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:17:08 +0100 Message-ID: <29560.836957828@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Someone want to add an appropriate question/answer for this to the FAQ? It's getting to be a VERY FAQ, and is definate material for the FAQ, even after we get the mail handbook section written... Thanks Gary P.S.Yes, I know I should probably just go write it myself and commit it, since I have commit privs, but I've got a lot to do, and I'm also off the air from tomorrow (for a while) ... Thanks. -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 17:56:05 -0600 From: szapata@data.net.mx (Santiago Zapata) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: mx records & sendmail Hi: I am trying to setup a DNS & mail server. I would like to have e-mail addresses like: name@my_domain. I am having problems configuring the mail server. DNS works OK, mail server works OK as long as I direct messages to a specific host. Could someone give me some hints and/or pointers ? I already configured the hosts file for DNS with an MX record, and I also did some changes to the sendmail.cf file following the TCP/IP Network Admin book from O'Reilly, however I am getting the following error: ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 MX list for cabonet.net.mx. points back to dns 554 ... Local configuration error Thanks a lot Santiago Zapata SATEC Mexico ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 9 18:42:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24477 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24472 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA14664; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:42:05 -0700 (PDT) To: paulc@seas.ucla.edu cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: question In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Jul 1996 11:46:56 PDT." <9607091846.AA26617@lightning.seas.ucla.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 18:42:05 -0700 Message-ID: <14662.836962925@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://www.freebsd.org - information about DOS extended partitions is mentioned in both the handbook and the FAQ. Jordan > I purchased FREEBSD2.1. I have questions about my ms-dos > extended partition. To whom can I turn to for help? > thanks > > paulc From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 10 00:01:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA16138 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 00:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axp5.physik.fu-berlin.de (axp5.fddi5B.fu-berlin.de [160.45.5.75]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16129 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 00:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de (dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de [160.45.33.81]) by axp5.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA19882 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:00:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from graichen@localhost) by dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) id JAA27078 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:00:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199607100700.JAA27078@dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: freebsd-policy To: doc@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:00:54 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk can anyone take the freebsd-policy list from the mailinglist summary on the www pages ? - it is'nt served by majordomo@FreeBSD.org t -- thomas graichen graichen@physik.fu-berlin.de graichen@FreeBSD.org perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away antoine de saint-exupery From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 10 07:47:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA15483 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 07:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atena.eurocontrol.fr (atena.uneec.eurocontrol.fr [147.196.69.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA15476; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 07:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by atena.eurocontrol.fr; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA11279; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:47:37 +0200 Received: from mozart.eurocontrol.fr by eurocontrol.fr with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA136579828; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:43:48 +0200 Message-Id: <199607101443.AA136579828@euro.eurocontrol.fr> Received: by mozart.eurocontrol.fr (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA094599827; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:43:47 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert Subject: Re: Santiago Zapata: mx records & sendmail To: gpalmer@freebsd.org (Gary Palmer) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:43:47 +0200 (METDST) Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <29560.836957828@palmer.demon.co.uk> from Gary Palmer at "Jul 10, 96 01:17:08 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Gary Palmer: > Someone want to add an appropriate question/answer for this to the > FAQ? It's getting to be a VERY FAQ, and is definate material for the > FAQ, even after we get the mail handbook section written... > > Thanks > > Gary > ------- Forwarded Message > > Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 17:56:05 -0600 > From: szapata@data.net.mx (Santiago Zapata) > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org > Subject: mx records & sendmail > > Hi: > > I am trying to setup a DNS & mail server. I would like to have e-mail > addresses like: name@my_domain. > Here we go (no time to SGMLify it sorry): Q: I want to configure my sendmail to emit only user@domain.name but it keeps bombing with a "MX points back to myself" error. What can I do ? A: To send and receive mail with only the domain part of an address, you'll need to do this: - use MASQUERADE_AS(domain.name) in the whatever.mc file you've written in order to change all outgoing mail messages, - make the MX record for the domain point to the mail server domain.name. IN MX 10 mailhost.domain.name. - insert the following in the whatever.mc file FEATURE(use_cw_file) Using this feature is easier than just put domain.name in Cw because you'll not need to re-m4 the file each time you add a new domain. - create a file named by defult /etc/sendmail.cw and add the following: domain.name in it. "domain.name" is now a "local" address. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- Eurocontrol EEC/TIS -=- Ollivier.Robert@eurocontrol.fr From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 10 11:12:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA01452 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01444; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id af12094; 10 Jul 96 18:02 GMT Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab07599; 10 Jul 96 18:03 +0100 Received: (from fdocs@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA00997; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:00:50 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:00:50 GMT Message-Id: <199607101000.KAA00997@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: gpalmer@freebsd.org CC: doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <29560.836957828@palmer.demon.co.uk> (message from Gary Palmer on Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:17:08 +0100) Subject: Re: Santiago Zapata: mx records & sendmail Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Someone want to add an appropriate question/answer for this to the > FAQ? It's getting to be a VERY FAQ, and is definate material for the > FAQ, even after we get the mail handbook section written... Or perhaps just point them at the sendmail FAQ? Anyway, I'll put something in this evening (GMT). > P.S.Yes, I know I should probably just go write it myself and commit > it, since I have commit privs, but I've got a lot to do, and I'm > also off the air from tomorrow (for a while) ... Thanks. In the circumstances, consider yourself excused :-) > Hi: > > I am trying to setup a DNS & mail server. I would like to have e-mail > addresses like: name@my_domain. > > I am having problems configuring the mail server. DNS works OK, mail server > works OK as long as I direct messages to a specific host. > Could someone give me some hints and/or pointers ? > > I already configured the hosts file for DNS with an MX record, and I also > did some changes to the sendmail.cf file following the TCP/IP Network Admin > book from O'Reilly, however I am getting the following error: > > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- > (unrecoverable error) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 554 MX list for cabonet.net.mx. points back to dns > 554 ... Local configuration error -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 10 16:26:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25431 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25425 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04819; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:25:31 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:25:26 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: Wolfram Schneider cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FYI: IDML In-Reply-To: <199607091430.QAA24241@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > http://www.identify.com/welcome/idml-faq.html EEEeeeeeewwwwww!! This makes my stomach turn. Not only is it a brain dammaged application of SGML, it amounts to nothing more than a database with a fixed set of field that are woefully inadequate for describing much of anything useful. Just consider the SUBJECT attribute. First, it specifies "no more than three (3)". Well, I'm sorry, but thats a pretty lame restriction to place on someone categorizing something and, the way they set it up, there is no way to enforce the rule. SGML could enforce it *if* they bothered to use SGML properly. If that isn't enough, their pre-defined subject categories are an utter insult. The LC subject headings take up 4 large volumes, each about 4 inches thick with small print and even they can't begin to capture many subtlties required in distinguishing entities. Then you have things like the National Library of Medicine subject headings, a 3 inch thick fine-print listing of subject categories just within the field of medicine! And these identity people think that a couple hundred headings are sufficient for everything anyone would want to put on the internet? Okay, then look at the LOCATION and LANGUAGE attributes. They too have severly limited canned lists of countrys, place names and languages. The US Geological Survey geographic names database takes up a whole CD-ROM with millions of entries just for the United States. The Library of Congress language codes for use in MARC records is much longer than the ISO list they use. What these other languages. But wait, there is more! What about the KEYWORDS attribute? Isn't this somewhat redundant with the SUBJECT field? I'm not aware of any study that shows searching and uncontroled keyword vocabulary as being any more effective than free text searching. If you want to look at some *useful* discussion of metadata standards, look at http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ifla/II/metadata.htm. In particular, the Dublin Core has a proposal for HTML files that uses a slightly modified tag and is much better thought out than this IDML crap. Library science has been researching this sort of thing for decades and there is a plenty of sound research and literature on the subject. Just say NO to IDML! Oh, and by the way, an underscore (_) is NOT permitted in a tag name (eg ) or attribute name (eg STREET_ADDRESS) according to the reference standard SGML declaration, or the SGML declaration used by HTML. So much for being HTML compatible.... -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 10 16:34:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25925 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25919 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04831 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:34:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:34:09 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Docbook 2.4.1 HTML doc in a bundle (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:49:33 -0400 From: Terry Allen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Docbook 2.4.1 HTML doc in a bundle The HTML version of the Docbook 2.4.1 documentation is now available in a single handy bundle, either tarred and gzipped or zipped. See http://www.ora.com/davenport/ for links. Thanks to Norm Walsh for the bundling, and Steve Homer for the suggestion. Regards, -- Terry Allen O'Reilly & Associates, Inc. terry@ora.com "In going on with these experiments, how many pretty systems do we build, which we soon find ourselves obliged to destroy?" - Benjamin Franklin A Davenport Group sponsor http://www.ora.com/davenport/ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 10 16:51:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA27411 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27401; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04892; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:50:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:50:39 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu Reply-To: John Fieber To: James Raynard cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, jhs@freebsd.org, hoek@freenet.hamilton.on.ca, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: share/doc/FAQ/obj/freebsd-faq.html In-Reply-To: <199607081710.RAA01482@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [playing e-mail catchup...] On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, James Raynard wrote: > Sorry for the delay in replying to this. There will probably be more > suggestions later, but two that strike me immediately are:- > > 1. The TOC entries should be separated from the question and answer With appropriate tagging of the document, any of a variety of TOC structures can be generated. > Also, this would allow the same question to appear in different > forms in the TOC (eg ``How do I get a PS/2 mouse to work with > FreeBSD?'' and ``How do I get my laptop's trackerball to work with > FreeBSD?'' would both lead to the instructions on configuring a > kernel with PS/2 support). Now this is interesting. It basically amounts to tagging an FAQ answer with multiple questions. This amounts to a specialized form of cross reference. > 2. I don't know how feasible this is, but it would be really good to > have some way of identifying keywords for an indexing program. For > example, in the above example, ``laptop'', ``mouse'' and ``kernel'' The controlled vocabulary rears it ugly head! If we add keywords then we have to establish and maintain a controlled vocabulary and ensure that it gets consistently applied. If we don't do that, a keyword field is meaningless and can actually be worse than no keyword field if the user and/or the searching software assumes it is a controlled vocabulary. Basically, for something on the scale of the FAQ a combination of free-text searching and rich cross references between related topics would be more effective. Where hypertext typically fails is in helping the user choose a place to dive in. Here free-text searching is a help but a map of some sort is essential. This is where Sean Kelly's nested FAQ structure comes into play. At first, this scheme strikes me as being inverted. By that I mean that the topics contain the questions, rather than the questions containing the topics. This bugs me because it favors the construction of a mono-hierarchy, which decades of classification research have discredited as an effective scheme. Additionally, it could result in a deep hierarchy which is also regarded (more recently) as a Bad Thing for usability. Subject classification schemes, such as LC, have traditionally been fairly deep largely do the phisical structure of the card catalog. With the advent of electronic catalogs, there has been a great flattening, even to the point where catalog software actually takes apart hierarchical subject headings to make them searchable by any component in the hierarchy. Two places where hierarchy still has a role are in filing physical materials, which can only exist in a single place in a one dimensional filing system, and in browsing. For a printed version of the FAQ, both issues concern us. For online, only the latter. So, we still have the task of coming up with some hierarchy, although I don't think it should be more than two levels. I suspect this could be easily constructed with a simple sectioning element. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 10 17:48:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA01835 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net (relay-5.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.48]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA01830; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aa00720; 10 Jul 96 22:47 +0100 Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa00533; 10 Jul 96 22:39 +0100 Received: (from fdocs@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02375; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:17:06 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:17:06 GMT Message-Id: <199607101817.SAA02375@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: ollivier.robert@eurocontrol.fr CC: gpalmer@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199607101443.AA136579828@euro.eurocontrol.fr> (message from Ollivier Robert on Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:43:47 +0200 (METDST)) Subject: Re: Santiago Zapata: mx records & sendmail Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Someone want to add an appropriate question/answer for this to the > > FAQ? It's getting to be a VERY FAQ, and is definate material for the > > FAQ, even after we get the mail handbook section written... > Here we go (no time to SGMLify it sorry): [snip] OK, this is a much better answer than the one I just committed (before I saw your mail, unfortunately). However, we really need to have an explanation of how to use a .mc file to set up sendmail - at the moment, this is buried inside the instructions on how to run sendmail over UUCP... Unless there are any strong objections, I'd prefer to leave things as they are for the moment and then re-think the whole structure of the FAQ when 2.1.5 is out and the new documentation tools become available. -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 11 01:51:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA26990 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 01:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Arco.COM (inetg1.Arco.COM [130.201.119.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA26985 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 01:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dilbert.sct.arco.com ([130.201.40.1]) by Arco.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04531; Thu, 11 Jul 96 03:50:39 CDT Received: from arco.arco.com ([130.201.197.58]) by dilbert.sct.arco.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13916; Thu, 11 Jul 96 03:50:27 CDT Message-Id: <31E4182F.3D93@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 03:53:03 +0700 From: Ari Pratiwi Organization: ARCO Indonesia X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: interested X-Url: http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/index.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How can I buy BSD Software ? From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 11 06:20:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA09967 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 06:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09961 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 06:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06372; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:20:37 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:20:36 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: Ari Pratiwi cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: interested In-Reply-To: <31E4182F.3D93@ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, Ari Pratiwi wrote: > How can I buy BSD Software ? Software *for* BSD or BSD itself? -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 11 09:13:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA05076 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from basement (dialin-08.netway.net [199.45.151.208]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05053 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from basement (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basement (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00307 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:16:05 -0600 Message-ID: <31E3D744.3BCE2986@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:16:04 -0600 From: Sprout Organization: blah.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5aGold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: What file to I need for "base" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am currently a Linux user and I wanted to try out FreeBSD but when I went to download the "base" system I had no idea what file I needed. I look at the FreeBSD handbook but I could not the information I needed. Could somone tell me what file I need to download for the "base" system to run on a 486. Thank you, Sprout From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 11 14:56:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA08875 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gcwf.com (gcwf.com [199.35.123.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08856 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SOCAL-Message_Server by gcwf.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:57:25 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:56:21 -0700 From: John Mulhollen To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: fixes to handbook.tex Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just ftp'd HANDBOOK.TEX and tried to run it through LaTeX and got some errors. I've fixed the two that cause LaTeX to choke (and fixed the spelling of across....). Note in the 5th diff section that the '&' needed to be escaped... -johnm Here's the diff file: Comparing files HANDBOOK.NEW and HANDBOOK.TEX ***** HANDBOOK.NEW \documentstyle[linuxdoc]{book} \pagestyle{headings} ***** HANDBOOK.TEX \documentstyle[linuxdoc,]{book} \pagestyle{headings} ***** ***** HANDBOOK.NEW relatively short head and tape life due to the high rate of relative motion of the tape across the heads. ***** HANDBOOK.TEX relatively short head and tape life due to the high rate of relative motion of the tape accross the heads. ***** ***** HANDBOOK.NEW spool. The result is a high density of data and closely packed tracks that angle across the tape from one edge to the other. ***** HANDBOOK.TEX spool. The result is a high density of data and closely packed tracks that angle accross the tape from one edge to the other. ***** ***** HANDBOOK.NEW {\tt rdump(8)} and {\tt rrestore(8)} backup data across the network to a tape drive attached to another computer. Both programs rely upon {\tt rcmd(3)} and {\tt ruserok(3)} ***** HANDBOOK.TEX {\tt rdump(8)} and {\tt rrestore(8)} backup data accross the network to a tape drive attached to another computer. Both programs rely upon {\tt rcmd(3)} and {\tt ruserok(3)} ***** ***** HANDBOOK.NEW Exabyte tape drive connected to a Sun called komodo, use: {\tt /sbin/rdump 0dsbfu 54000 13000 126 komodo:/dev/nrst8 /dev/rsd0a 2>\&1}) Beware: there are security implications to allowing ***** HANDBOOK.TEX Exabyte tape drive connected to a Sun called komodo, use: {\tt /sbin/rdump 0dsbfu 54000 13000 126 komodo:/dev/nrst8 /dev/rsd0a 2>&1}) Beware: there are security implications to allowing ***** ***** HANDBOOK.NEW {\tt tar(1)} does not support backups across the network. You can use a pipeline and {\tt rsh(1)} to send the ***** HANDBOOK.TEX {\tt tar(1)} does not support backups accross the network. You can use a pipeline and {\tt rsh(1)} to send the ***** ***** HANDBOOK.NEW {\tt cpio(1)} does not support backups across the network. You can use a pipeline and {\tt rsh(1)} to send the ***** HANDBOOK.TEX {\tt cpio(1)} does not support backups accross the network. You can use a pipeline and {\tt rsh(1)} to send the ***** From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 01:39:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA14987 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14939 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA01197; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:08:18 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:08:18 +0930 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199607120838.SAA01197@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: sprout2@ix.netcom.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What file to I need for base X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <4s3aep$8i4@al.imforei.apana.org.au> you wrote: : I am currently a Linux user and I wanted to try out FreeBSD but when I : went to download the "base" system I had no idea what file I needed. I : look at the FreeBSD handbook but I could not the information I needed. : Could somone tell me what file I need to download for the "base" system : to run on a 486. Have another which browse through the FreeBSD Handbook, the section on installing FreeBSD. You only need the one "boot" image to install and you "may" need other files depending on the type of install (from the net, from cdrom, from msdos partition) All these senarios are covered in the handbook. Peter -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds The internet is full, please try again in half an hour... From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 03:10:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA24215 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 03:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA24163; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 03:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA14031; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 03:09:50 -0700 (PDT) To: doc@freebsd.org cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone up for a little triage on http://www.freebsd.org/about.html? Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 03:09:49 -0700 Message-ID: <14029.837166189@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I don't know about you folks, but that text's been looking a little shopworn to me lately. The problem is that everything I've attempted to write in replacement has swung wildly from dry techiespeak to sheer marketing fluff and I've simply thrown my hands up on getting this one right. I can't quite find the correct balance, but I'm sure I'd know it if I saw it! :-) Any volunteers? The overall style of our current version isn't so bad so much as is the content - I don't think that trumpeting "PRE-EMPTIVE MULTITASKING!" is, for example, quite as effective as citing some more FreeBSD specific feature (e.g. focus on its areas of strength in comparsison to other UN*Xen, not only DOS/Windows as the current one does). Anyway, 2.1.5 is coming out soon and everybody's going to be *looking* at the one we have now. Urgh! Ack! Help! :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 07:11:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA13778 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org ([207.40.47.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA13768; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nightmare (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [206.230.42.65]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA25424; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:09:29 -0600 Message-ID: <31E65C98.7A79CB24@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:09:28 -0600 From: Gary Aitken X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone up for a little triage on http://www.freebsd.org/about.html? References: <14029.837166189@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I don't know about you folks, but that text's been looking a little > shopworn to me lately. The problem is that everything I've attempted > to write in replacement has swung wildly from dry techiespeak to sheer > marketing fluff and I've simply thrown my hands up on getting this one > right. I can't quite find the correct balance, but I'm sure I'd know > it if I saw it! :-) Any volunteers? > > The overall style of our current version isn't so bad so much as is > the content - I don't think that trumpeting "PRE-EMPTIVE > MULTITASKING!" is, for example, quite as effective as citing some more > FreeBSD specific feature (e.g. focus on its areas of strength in > comparsison to other UN*Xen, not only DOS/Windows as the current one > does). I'm confused... That page looks like a 2 paragraph description of the server to me. Nothing about pre-emptive multitasking is even mentioned... -- Gary Aitken garya@ics.com (business) garya@dreamchaser.org (personal) From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 08:18:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA18217 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18208; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA16746; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:18:28 -0700 (PDT) To: Gary Aitken cc: doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone up for a little triage on http://www.freebsd.org/about.html? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:09:28 MDT." <31E65C98.7A79CB24@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:18:28 -0700 Message-ID: <16744.837184708@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm confused... That page looks like a 2 paragraph description of the > server to me. Nothing about pre-emptive multitasking is even > mentioned... *Cough* - remind me to actually read what I paste in, OK? :-) Sorry, that should have been: http://www.freebsd.org/welcome.html Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 08:40:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA20124 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsd.gaffaneys.com (dialup2.gaffaneys.com [134.129.252.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20114; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from zach@localhost) by freebsd.gaffaneys.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) id KAA01720; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:40:41 -0500 (CDT) To: Gary Aitken Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone up for a little triage on http://www.freebsd.org/about.html? References: <14029.837166189@time.cdrom.com> <31E65C98.7A79CB24@dreamchaser.org> From: Zach Heilig Date: 12 Jul 1996 10:40:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: Gary Aitken's message of Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:09:28 -0600 Message-ID: <87pw61h43s.fsf@freebsd.gaffaneys.com> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.32/Emacs 19.31 Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Aitken writes: > I'm confused... That page looks like a 2 paragraph description of the > server to me. Nothing about pre-emptive multitasking is even > mentioned... I'm pretty sure he meant http://www.freebsd.org/welcome.html. That document is labeled "About FreeBSD", and does mention "pre-emptive multitasking" and such. -- Zach Heilig (zach@blizzard.gaffaneys.com) Support bacteria -- it's the only culture some people have! ALL unsolicited commercial email is unwelcome. My policy is avoid dealing with companies that send out such mailings. From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 08:42:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA20274 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gcwf.com (gcwf.com [199.35.123.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20268 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SOCAL-Message_Server by gcwf.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:43:06 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:41:55 -0700 From: John Mulhollen To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: one more change to HANDBOOK.TEX Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk can't believe I missed this the first time around...does the handbook have an original source, and then some program generates the TeX, HTML, and PS versions or is each maintained separately? I'd be happy to volunteer to maintain the .TeX version if that would help... -johnm Comparing files HANDBOOK.NEW and HANDBOOK.TEX ***** HANDBOOK.NEW \part{Appendices} \appendix ***** HANDBOOK.TEX \part{Appendices} ***** From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 09:01:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA21597 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21576 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10941; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:01:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:01:25 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: John Mulhollen cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: fixes to handbook.tex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, John Mulhollen wrote: > Comparing files HANDBOOK.NEW and HANDBOOK.TEX > ***** HANDBOOK.NEW > \documentstyle[linuxdoc]{book} > \pagestyle{headings} > ***** HANDBOOK.TEX > \documentstyle[linuxdoc,]{book} > \pagestyle{headings} > ***** Fixing this one is actually more involved that it might first appear, and LaTeX2e handles it just fine. I just fixed the rest, thanks. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 09:09:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22198 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22187 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10972; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:06:45 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:06:44 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: Thomas Graichen cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: freebsd-policy In-Reply-To: <199607100700.JAA27078@dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Thomas Graichen wrote: > can anyone take the freebsd-policy list from the mailinglist summary on the > www pages ? - it is'nt served by majordomo@FreeBSD.org Fixed. (it will take a bit before it hits the web pages, even longer to hit the mirrors) -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 10:52:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00858 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Penny.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.217]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00851 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01I6ZE6B19HSCQ9JBS@Arizona.EDU> for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:52:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost by sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29491; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:51:38 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:51:38 -0700 From: Doug Wellington Subject: Let's hack on the Handbook! ..my ideas... To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov Message-id: <9607121751.AA29491@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I've been lurking around the net for a lot of years now (Yes, I remember BEFORE the web started dragging the whole net down!) and I decided that I found my calling - I want to help the FreeBSD project. :-) I'm a hacker, but since I don't know how to hack a Unix kernel or device drivers (YET!), I decided to not hit the source code because I don't want to drag you guys down! ;-) I think I'm pretty good at doing documentation hacking though, so I've been looking at the Handbook situation... I propose a rather thorough reworking of the Handbook. (EEEEK!) ;-) I think it should be divided into three separate handbooks, much like the 4.4BSD doc set from O'Reilly. I like the idea of having one handbook for users (The FreeBSD User's Handbook), one for programmers (The FreeBSD Programmer's Handbook) and a separate one for system administrators (The FreeBSD System Administrator's Handbook). I would possibly divide the System Administrator's Handbook into two separate parts, the first being an installation and hardware guide aimed at one time tasks and a separate "maintenance" guide aimed at tasks that will be repeated. I also think we should have some smaller, more specific guides, much like the Linux HOWTOs or the current tutorials, but I'll leave that for another time... In the current Handbook, there is a lot of good programming help, so I figure we should pull that all out and put it into a guide for everyone that wants to hit the development side. I think that part of the current handbook is the best so far, so I want to concentrate my efforts more to the user and system administrator side. (Especially since I'm not even qualified to write about FreeBSD programming!) I believe that good user and administrator documentation will dramatically increase FreeBSD's usefulness and appeal to the very large group of people who don't have the inclination to write programs or hack the kernel. (I think a large part of success of Linux can be attributed to the large amount of documentation that is aimed toward the casual user, the type that has no interest in "hacking it themselves".) If nobody has objections to the idea of splitting the Handbook into three separate parts, I will start hacking on it. My first step will be to outline the actual structure of the three separate books. I'll broadcast that outline to the documentation list. If there are no objections to it, I'll extract the programmer's info and build the Programmer's Handbook, then start on the System Administrator's and User's books. In addition to changing the overall structure, I plan to write the Email chapter and add a chapter on netnews... (Just to get started, I figure I can at least publish a list of other resources like the various mail FAQs.) What are everyone's thoughts? -Doug Doug Wellington doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov System and Network Administrator US Geological Survey, Tucson, AZ Project Office According to proposed Federal guidelines, this message is a "non-record". Hmm, I wonder if _everything_ I say is a "non-record"...? FreeBSD and Apache - the best real tools for the virtual world! Check out www.freebsd.org and www.apache.org... From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 11:45:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03972 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03967 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07765; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:45:32 GMT Message-Id: <199607121845.SAA07765@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA181547147; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:45:47 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:45:47 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9607121751.AA29491@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov> (message from Doug Wellington on Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:51:38 -0700) Subject: Re: Let's hack on the Handbook! ..my ideas... Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Doug" == Doug Wellington writes: Doug> Hi folks, I've been lurking around the net for a lot of Doug> years now (Yes, I remember BEFORE the web started dragging Doug> the whole net down!) Yep, the good ol' days ... there was just Usenet, email, and ftp. Gopher didn't even exist yet and archie/prospero was just in the planning stages. Doug> I like the idea of having one handbook for users (The Doug> FreeBSD User's Handbook), one for programmers (The FreeBSD Doug> Programmer's Handbook) and a separate one for system Doug> administrators (The FreeBSD System Administrator's Doug> Handbook). Sounds like a reasonable division, but is there enough material to support it? I really don't think so. Doug> In the current Handbook, there is a lot of good programming Doug> help, so I figure we should pull that all out and put it Doug> into a guide for everyone that wants to hit the development Doug> side. Huh? Are you looking at the same handbook? I don't see *any* programming help in the whole thing (looking at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook.html). Part 1 details installation and tells how to use man pages (adm, user); part 2 is all system administration (adm). Part 2 tells how to administrate networking (adm). Part 4 tells about a variety of things including sup, contributors, and kernel debugging. Now, kernel debugging might be programming help, but I usually consider it a combined advanced development/system admin topic, so let's score this section as (adm, user). The score: adm=4, user=2, prog=0. When I look at the elephantine bookshelves of HP/UX docs here at the lab, I see tons of material that fits in all three categories: Welcome to the Visual User Environment (user), Administering ARPA Services (adm), Introduction to Berkeley Sockets (prog), Using Floating-Point on PA/RISC (prog), The XDB Symbolic Debugger (prog), Using vi (user), etc. Sun manuals are similar. Our on FreeBSD handbook would need an introduction to Berkeley sockets, using floating point on the i386, etc., to merit a separate book on programming. James Raynard got us a good start with his tutorial on development (yay!). And if I had the time I'd be happy to write a chapter on RPC programming with FreeBSD. However, I think all that should be *low* priority. I don't know for sure, but I think most people who get FreeBSD for development already know what they're doing. And all the other people are using FreeBSD to provide Internet services. More important to me would be a part (or separate handbook) devoted to providing Internet services. Part 5: Internet Services Providing shell access DNS Configuring DNS Providing naming services World Wide Web Types of web servers Server configuration Proxy servers Tracking usage Aliased IP addresses Email Services Internet mail routing: sendmail Mail user services POP and similar protocols User mail agents Administering USENET Log file management ... That would also help make FreeBSD a better ``selling'' platform. Internet services are hot and we should capitalize on that. Doug> I'll extract the programmer's info and build the Doug> Programmer's Handbook, then start on the System Doug> Administrator's and User's books. Perhaps we use separate definitions for programmer's info ... where is this stuff?!? -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 12:14:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA08011 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08006; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA21198; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:14:45 -0700 (PDT) To: doc@freebsd.org cc: jfieber@freebsd.org Subject: How are the postscript handbook/FAQ versions generated? Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:14:45 -0700 Message-ID: <21196.837198885@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'd like to put a reasonably up-to-date docs/ directory on the 2.1.5R CD, but I'm having a bit of trouble turning the results of `make ... FORMATS=tex' into postscript or anything else recognisable. My TeX skills are hardly anything to write home about, so I'm undoubtedly doing something totally wrong. Help! Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 12:44:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10832 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Penny.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.217]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10827 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01I6ZI2W80KWCQ9K7U@Arizona.EDU>; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:44:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost by sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00232; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:43:23 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:43:23 -0700 From: Doug Wellington Subject: Re: Let's hack on the Handbook! ..my ideas... In-reply-to: "Your message of Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:45:47 CST." <199607121845.SAA07765@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> To: Sean Kelly Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov Message-id: <9607121943.AA00232@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Previously: >[re: three separate manuals] >Sounds like a reasonable division, but is there enough material to >support it? I really don't think so. I agree that there isn't enough material YET. Maybe my delusions of grandeur are getting ahead of me... ;-) >Huh? Are you looking at the same handbook? I don't see *any* >programming help in the whole thing (looking at >http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook.html). >[EDIT!] >Perhaps we use separate definitions for programmer's info ... where is >this stuff?!? Hmmm, yes, we must use separate definitions... I look at the Handbook and see programming info in chapter 4.2 (ports) and I consider section IV to be almost completely programming. I don't think users would have much interest in section IV and most system administrators won't care about it except for maybe chapters 19 and 21. (Of course, sometimes the distinction between programmer and administrator does get blurred...) ;-) There are indeed many many areas that need to be covered before we can have three "complete" Handbooks. However, I think now is the time to determine the structure the documentation will be in, now and for the future, BEFORE we get too much data to easily manipulate... >I don't know for sure, but I think most people who get FreeBSD for >development already know what they're doing. Probably... And I would also like for FreeBSD to appeal to those who don't know. I think there are a lot of people who WANT to program, but who can't afford the cost (and the learning curve!) of Windows and VC++ or a Mac with whatever their latest tools are. (Eeek, that reminds me, both my MSDN and VC++ subscriptions are up this month and I have to come up with more than $700 if I want to renew!) I think FreeBSD is a step ahead because we have "professional" books like the new 4.4BSD Design book and like Rich Stevens' TCP/IP Illustrated, Vol 2 that explain the code we have. Linux doesn't have that. (As if that matters anyway...) >And all the other people are using FreeBSD to provide Internet services. Hmmm, then am I the only one who decided to just "use" it to write papers and to dial in to an ISP? Who are we trying to appeal to with FreeBSD, an elite core of programmers? Should we just put a statement in the introduction to effect of, "If you just want to have an operating system to learn and use, why don't you try Linux instead..."? >More important to me would be a part >(or separate handbook) devoted to providing Internet services. >[SNIP] >That would also help make FreeBSD a better ``selling'' platform. >Internet services are hot and we should capitalize on that. Absolutely. And there are two aspects to that. I see FreeBSD as a good (excellent!) platform for providing services, and I also see it as a good platform for USING those services. I also think that if we can get a broader installed base, then we'll be able to talk people (Netscape, Matlab, Mathematica, Word Perfect, etc) into providing native apps... -Doug Doug Wellington doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov System and Network Administrator US Geological Survey, Tucson, AZ Project Office According to proposed Federal guidelines, this message is a "non-record". Hmm, I wonder if _everything_ I say is a "non-record"...? FreeBSD and Apache - the best real tools for the virtual world! Check out www.freebsd.org and www.apache.org... From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 12:46:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10944 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10937; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08152; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:46:18 GMT Message-Id: <199607121946.TAA08152@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA220780794; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:46:34 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:46:34 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: doc@freebsd.org, jfieber@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <21196.837198885@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: How are the postscript handbook/FAQ versions generated? Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Jordan" == "Jordan K Hubbard" writes: Jordan> Help! I'm assuming you can get as far as a handbook.tex file, right? Then, just run latex on that file three times, then dvips on handbook.dvi, and you're set! -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 13:18:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13181 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13175 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08336; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:18:27 GMT Message-Id: <199607122018.UAA08336@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA221222724; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:18:44 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:18:44 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9607121943.AA00232@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov> (message from Doug Wellington on Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:43:23 -0700) Subject: Re: Let's hack on the Handbook! ..my ideas... Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Doug" == Doug Wellington writes: Doug> I agree that there isn't enough material YET. Maybe my Doug> delusions of grandeur are getting ahead of me... ;-) No problem ... I still have this unusual recurring dream where I see the corporate campus at Microsoft rendered a heap of rubble by a pudgy red daemon proudly brandishing a pitchfork. :-) (Of course, being a dream, suddenly I'm naked in my 4th grade class having to take a test on multiplication.) Doug> Hmmm, yes, we must use separate definitions... I look at Doug> the Handbook and see programming info in chapter 4.2 (ports) Doug> and I consider section IV to be almost completely Doug> programming. Okay, I think I see from where you're coming. And it a way it does make sense! ;-) Doug> There are indeed many many areas that need to be covered Doug> before we can have three "complete" Handbooks. However, I Doug> think now is the time to determine the structure the Doug> documentation will be in, now and for the future, BEFORE we Doug> get too much data to easily manipulate... You've got a point. And now I want to waffle on what I said about there not being enough material to justify splitting. One thing that I recall seeing during the last official FreeBSD release was that the handbook was too long to print. Several people wanted just certain sections---they needed to know how to set up PPP and how to use the ports collection but didn't care about printers, for example. The handbook is over 300 printed pages now (right?) and maybe it would be a good idea to split it up ... after all, we're certainly not *removing* any material, are we? Doug> And I would also like for FreeBSD to appeal to Doug> those who don't know. I think there are a lot of people who Doug> WANT to program, but who can't afford the cost (and the Doug> learning curve!) of Windows and VC++ or a Mac with whatever Doug> their latest tools are. You bet. Despite all the arguments from the Unix Haters, I think Unix still makes an efficient development platform---just not the prettiest. To me, a handbook called `Developing with FreeBSD' should not exist unless we integrate Raynard's development tutorial into it. Such a book needs a section to get users started, and his tutorial could do that. >> And all the other people are using FreeBSD to provide Internet >> services. Doug> Hmmm, then am I the only one who decided to just "use" it to Doug> write papers and to dial in to an ISP? I admit it: I lied in that statement. My wife uses FreeBSD for her Ph.D. research and to write papers. (I use it for hobby programming, home automation, work, and to write papers.) Doug> Who are we trying to appeal to with FreeBSD, an elite core Doug> of programmers? Being merely a contributor, I really can't say in what the direction the FreeBSD ship is steered. Doug> Should we just put a statement in the introduction to effect Doug> of, "If you just want to have an operating system to learn Doug> and use, why don't you try Linux instead..."? Egads, no! What I meant to say was that I'd wager many people using FreeBSD are doing so to provide Internet services. Glance at the FreeBSD Gallery and you'll see that the majority of commericial applications are ISPs. Therefore, at least some part of our documentation should be directed at them. Certainly, there could be an even greater number of people who are home- or research-style users of FreeBSD, who aren't represented in the Gallery. Therefore, at least some part of our documentation should be directed at them. In an ideal world where we have competent writers who are knowledgable for each topic and have plenty of time in which they can profess their art, then we'd address both audiences with thorough, usable, understandable, correct, documentation. Since this world isn't ideal, we then need to measure which audience has the best return value and write to that audience first. What is the return value? Unfortunately, too many things to make an adequate metric: FreeBSD name recognition, commercial support, ported products, monetary contributions, etc., and other things that help insure the survival of the project and the eventual defeat of both Linux and Bill Gates. :-) Anyway, let me close this up before someone mistakes me for Mr Lambert (no offense ;-). This is a volunteer project in the end and if someone's capable of measuring the audience's return value and of writing documentation to that audience, fine. Personally, I can't make such metrics---nor can I write a manual on setting up web servers or mail (Usenet, maybe, but back in the old C-news days ... does anyone C-news anymore?). But I can write a chapter on how to do RPC programming on FreeBSD or how to access the floating point facilities in the C language. So, let those who can contribute what they can contribute, contribute! Sean Kelly kelly@fsl.noaa.gov From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 13:59:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15888 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15879 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11940; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:59:02 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:59:02 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: John Mulhollen cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: one more change to HANDBOOK.TEX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, John Mulhollen wrote: > can't believe I missed this the first > time around...does the handbook have > an original source, and then some > program generates the TeX, HTML, and > PS versions Yup. The goal is to get the roff generation up to snuff, then drop the TeX. TeX is certainly capable, but a bit of a hassle because it isn't standard equipment. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 14:12:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16661 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16656 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11973; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:12:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:12:21 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: Sean Kelly cc: doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Let's hack on the Handbook! ..my ideas... In-Reply-To: <199607122018.UAA08336@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Sean Kelly wrote: > The handbook is over 300 printed pages now (right?) and maybe it would > be a good idea to split it up ... after all, we're certainly not > *removing* any material, are we? Make that over *400* pages as of this morning. :-) I agree that a split is in order, but it isn't practical to actually do it until we banish the linuxdoc DTD and get moved over to Docbook. Frankly, linuxdoc isn't much good for anything larger than a single HOWTO. I didn't even have a tag until I hacked on it a bit. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 18:14:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA28537 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA28531; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA00911; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:14:38 -0400 Received: (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA29343; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:16:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:16:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone up for a little triage on http://www.freebsd.org/about.html? In-Reply-To: <14029.837166189@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Cc: www@freebsd.org What the heck is that list!? Be damned if I've ever seen it before... > The overall style of our current version isn't so bad so much as is > the content - I don't think that trumpeting "PRE-EMPTIVE > MULTITASKING!" is, for example, quite as effective as citing some more OTOH, I do quite specifically recall my computer teacher from last semester asking if "UNIX was multitasking"... I considered saying `No, but that it is multi-terminal and multi-user', or `No, but FreeBSD is!' :). Admittedly, if someone isn't sure wether a modern Unice is capable of running more than one program at a time, they probably won't be swayed to installing FreeBSD no matter how well-written the welcome.html file... :( -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 21:06:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA05078 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05072 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA24976; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:48:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CERT FreeBSD ppp Advisory--Distribution? In-Reply-To: <199607121722.KAA28258@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > Annelise Anderson wrote: > > > > CERT has distributed an advisory on a security problem with user ppp, > > information provided by FreeBSD, Inc. Although I'm subscribed to the > > USENET group comp.security.announce (and it's there), I actually heard > > about it from my system administrator. > > > > I would think such information ought to be available rather widely to > > people subscribed to various freebsd mailing lists, not just security, > > and should be on the freebsd home page as well. > > freebsd-security-notifications is *the* mailing list for > these matters. only the freebsd-security-officers can post > to this list. only important notifications are posted. > the volume is very low, i am happy to say. > > the availability and importance of this list should be > highligted more clearly on the freebsd web pages and > perhaps in the installation documetation. Jonathan, thanks. I signed up for freebsd-security. Since quite a few people are installing FreeBSD on "home" systems that are also running other operating systems and they may be using slip or ppp to contact an ISP, there's a need in the handbook for a section on system administration/security directed toward someone who's doing that--pointing out, for example, that a slip or ppp connection puts a machine "on the Internet" and at risk if root has no password and there are users with data that matters who don't have passwords. This isn't as important as Sean Kelly's suggestions but it deserves to be on a "to do" list, I think. Annelise > > jmb > -- > Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG > FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ > PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB > From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 12 21:26:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA06153 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06146 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id aa12955; 13 Jul 96 5:26 +0100 Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa23187; 13 Jul 96 1:25 +0100 Received: (from fdocs@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA01692; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:20:49 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:20:49 GMT Message-Id: <199607122020.UAA01692@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov CC: doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199607121845.SAA07765@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> (message from Sean Kelly on Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:45:47 -0600) Subject: Re: Let's hack on the Handbook! ..my ideas... Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Our on FreeBSD handbook would need an introduction to Berkeley > sockets, using floating point on the i386, etc., to merit a separate > book on programming. James Raynard got us a good start with his > tutorial on development (yay!). And if I had the time I'd be happy to > write a chapter on RPC programming with FreeBSD. Thanks for the plug :-) Actually, I was thinking of adding a few programming-related questions to the FAQ when 2.1.5 is out - things like how to write a screensaver or how to communicate with the serial ports, which come up every now and again. But I agree that there's not really enough to justify a Programmer's Handbook - after all, FreeBSD is a *very* standard platform to code for. If anyone does know of anything that would be useful and isn't already well covered, I'll be happy to write it up (time and competence permitting, of course :-) > Perhaps we use separate definitions for programmer's info ... where is > this stuff?!? Just a thought - perhaps the reference is to the papers under /usr/share/doc? Is it worth polishing those up and making them accessible using something a bit more sexy than zmore? There's a lot of useful information in there, and I'm sure a lot of people must overlook it completely (I know it took me about 3 releases to realise what was in there!). -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk http://www.freebsd.org/~jraynard/ From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 13 01:27:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA21557 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.netvoyage.net (news.netvoyage.net [205.162.154.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA21549; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from foo.netvoyage.net (foo@localhost) by news.netvoyage.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA18479; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:27:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (bkogawa@localhost) by foo.netvoyage.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA04821; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:26:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: foo.netvoyage.net: bkogawa owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:26:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bryan K. Ogawa" To: questions@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Tip to improve print resolution w/ HP DeskJet 600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm starting a job-search (anyone have FreeBSD related job openings?) and so I thought I'd start fiddling with groff/troff to do my resume (so that I can learn something while trying to get a job). Reconfiguring my printer (it used to work... honest!) was a little frustrating, mostly because I didn't reread the handbook (after i did that, it was rather straightforward -- hpif worked nearly out of the box :) ). Unfortunately, the output from this configuration wasn't up to my hopes (I was using the djet500 driver, and was getting what I considered rather poor output). In trying to figure out how to configure my printer, I had searched AltaVista, and some people had recommended using the laserjet 4 driver for ghostscript ( -sDEVICE=ljet4 ) with the DJ 600 (they are 600x600 resolution printers). I tried that, and voila... instant improvement in print quality. If you have a Deskjet 600 (or maybe other of the newer 600x600 deskjets), you might want to give it a try. Standard Disclaimers.. Please don't blame me if your printer breaks. bryan From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 13 12:16:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA05305 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 12:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05273; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 12:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA27419; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 12:17:11 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 12:17:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Veggy Vinny To: "Bryan K. Ogawa" cc: questions@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tip to improve print resolution w/ HP DeskJet 600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just gave this a try on my HP DeskJet 855c, it does print a lot better in Black & White but too bad color doesn't work..... Wonder when will Ghostscript start supporting the 600 and 800 series printers... Vince