From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 29 08:22:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA04235 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 08:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from scds.ziplink.net (scds.ziplink.net [199.232.254.94]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA04230 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 08:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jseger@localhost) by scds.ziplink.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA12833 for doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 10:14:27 GMT Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 10:14:27 GMT From: "Justin M. Seger" Message-Id: <199612291014.KAA12833@scds.ziplink.net> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Handbook Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As of December 28, the handbook_toc.html file in /usr/share/doc/handbook has an in it. That should be Submitting the port here is a diff -u file on it: --- handbook_toc.old Sun Dec 29 10:06:39 1996 +++ handbook_toc.html Sun Dec 29 10:07:20 1996 @@ -827,7 +827,7 @@
Creating the checksum file
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Slow Porting -Justin Seger- From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 29 11:00:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA07912 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 11:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from tolstoy.mpd.ca (wlloyd.HIP.CAM.ORG [199.84.42.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA07903 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 11:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from plato (plato.mpd.ca [206.123.11.34]) by tolstoy.mpd.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04310; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 14:01:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32C6BF88.4411@mpd.ca> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 13:59:20 -0500 From: Bill Lloyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francisco Reyes CC: FreeBSD doc Mailing list , John Fieber Subject: Re: mailing list archives References: <199612282245.RAA13615@revelstone.jvm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Francisco Reyes wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 21:06:34 -0500 (EST), John Fieber wrote: > > >To get the answers, we need thread retrieval. For this, I don't > >think we need new indexing software, we just need to figure out > >how to take an existing message and *automatically* formulate > >appropriate queries to build the thread from it. > > John, > Do you think any of the existing tools can do it? I am about to start > working on this project by doing a home-grown system. Should I proceed? > Given my free time it will be a while before I have the system > (anywhere from 1 to 3 months), but I already started thinking about the > basics design. > > The features I was thinking to have are: > -Index any word. > -Logical operators in searches: "and", "or", "not" . Later on "near" > and lexical searches for selected words (doing the lexical matching by > means of a table). > -Capable of storing an expiration date for articles and re-use their > allocated space after they have been expired. > -Give answers in a threaded form. > > In the initial phase I have considered indexing the exiting files and > later on develop the system to it handles the storage of the messages. > Managing the messages would allow for compression and file expiration. > > My initial considerations are: > -- Use a Red-Black-Tree to index all words. For each word in the tree > have a linked list. Basically use the tree to search for the start of a > linked list for each word; This will save space since I won't store the > word key/value for all the elements in the linked list.. > -- Keep a file with the last physical location of each message file > processed. When the program is run it will only index what has been > added to each of the message files. I don't have any knowledge as to how the current archives are stored/compressed/indexed etc, but I thought I'd throw in some of my thoughts. One thing that I think would be very helpfull, is if links to the messages from the search page were made to be absolute, instead of relative to the current search terms. Ie one to one mapping. For example from the search page.. The comment stuff is mine. I often find myself re-reading the same messages over and over, if I back up and change the number of "results" to 50. General comments to implement threading etc... One way to implement this and provide for threading would be to borrow from gnats. I have gnats running locally, and I have done some hacking of the www interface for it, for a local application. I think that it provides a good model to implement the mailing list archives. For example, a mailing list discussion that follows the gnats model would simply exist as one long message. You would be able to read the entire discussion with all headers etc removed. A search will simply pull up the one message, start to finish. Removes all threading problems at search time. All discussions messages would be numbered, and could be referred to by an absolute URL, example.. The gnats distribution includes a www interface that provides for full regex searching of the database. The major disadvantage is that the current archives would be be orphaned, or would have to be converted. I'm not suggesting that current gnats problem database be expanded to include mailing list information, just that the model has some advantages that would be usefull. gnats on it's own would not be a good way to handle the majordomo stuff. Would it be possible to have majordomo call a modified version of send-pr to file a new message in gnats form for the archive? It would be possible to maintain seperate independant searches of the mailing lists. This would be usefull for a year switch over period for example. gnats would need to be hacked to remove a lot of stuff. It is far too verbose for a mailing lists archive. -bill -- William Lloyd (wlloyd@mpd.ca) | From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 29 12:07:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA10117 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA10112 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06743 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 21:07:35 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id VAA03208 for doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 21:07:19 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.4/keltia-uucp-2.9) id TAA03646; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 19:41:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 19:41:46 +0100 From: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Handbook References: <199612291014.KAA12833@scds.ziplink.net> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.55.04 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#2837 In-Reply-To: <199612291014.KAA12833@scds.ziplink.net>; from Justin M. Seger on Dec 29, 1996 10:14:27 +0000 Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Justin M. Seger: > As of December 28, the handbook_toc.html file in /usr/share/doc/handbook has > an in it. That should be > Submitting the port Thanks but never try to patch the html files. The only file you want to change is one of files in /usr/src/share/doc/handbook/*.sgml which are the "sources" files. The HTML and ASCII files are automatically generated from these ones. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #33: Sat Dec 21 12:57:17 CET 1996 From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 29 15:09:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA16411 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts15-line8.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.191]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA16406 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00373; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:08:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:08:50 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Babak Sehari cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I would like to help in Documentation. In-Reply-To: <9612280202.AA10745@eng3.iastate.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 27 Dec 1996, Babak Sehari wrote: > I can write the part about "Installing packages". Please, let me > know what is the procedure. The Handbook is written in sgml, using the linuxdoc DTD. We're moving over to the docbook DTD shortly. You'll want to download the original source to the Handbook and figure out the markup syntax from that. You can go through the CVSWeb interface under www.freebsd.org -> support -> CVS tree, or by subscribing to the src-share distribution through cvsup or ctm. Then just extract the required keywords. Unfortunately, you'll probably have to upgrade the sgmls parser that came with the system to the newest version, which I have no idea how to do. I'm guessing this won't be very long -- "man pkg_add" Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 29 15:45:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA17988 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:45:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts15-line8.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.191]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA17977 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00448; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:44:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:44:54 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Jose Luis Scanferlato cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Troubles with PPP In-Reply-To: <199612272046.MAA07346@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 27 Dec 1996, Jose Luis Scanferlato wrote: > >Type 'add 0 0 HISADDR' here. > > Already done, didn't work. I was using the recommended the ppp.linkup file, i.e. > > MYADDR: > add 0 0 HISADDR > > I wasn't sure it was executed after the login process -don't know if that > MYADDR is a sample label, or another macro like HISADDR- so I issued the > command manually. I've never had any luck with ppp.linkup. Try looking at netstat -rn and make sure there are no erroneous routes in there. > >Disable routed. It does bad things to the ppp routing. > > Are you suggesting that the handbook and the 'routed' man pages are wrong? > Shall we change them? Anyway, how do I disable routed, and how do I tell the > system that my mailbox account should be reached through the PPP link? Huh? In most PPP situations, you have one route in and one route out, so you want that to be the default route. routed has a really bad habit of deleting default routes, even with the code in ppp to protect it's routes from routed's cannibalism. So I recommend to just turn it off. It killed me once when our router went bananas. It made me really mad. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 29 16:20:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA20859 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 16:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ami.tom.computerworks.net (root@AMI.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.95.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA20849 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 16:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from bonkers.taronga.com by ami.tom.computerworks.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0veVS1-0021UlC; Sun, 29 Dec 96 19:19 EST Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA18801; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 18:15:01 -0600 Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 18:15:01 -0600 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199612300015.SAA18801@bonkers.taronga.com> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Troubles with PPP Newsgroups: taronga.freebsd.doc In-Reply-To: <199612272046.MAA07346@freefall.freebsd.org> Organization: none Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Shall we change them? Anyway, how do I disable routed, routedflags=NO in /etc/sysconfig > and how do I tell the > system that my mailbox account should be reached through the PPP link? I do it with the "defaultroute" option to pppd: /usr/sbin/pppd /dev/cuaa4 38400 ${1+"$@"} connect /etc/ppp/neo-chat defaultroute name taronga.neosoft.com From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 30 13:57:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA23688 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:57:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-4-80.mu.de.ibm.net [139.92.4.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA23643; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:56:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA28373; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:31:21 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:31:21 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199612301831.TAA28373@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: doc@freebsd.org, webmaster@freebsd.org cc: grog@freebsd.org, imp@village.org, msmith@gsoft.com.au, jgrosch@sirius.com, phk@freebsd.org Subject: http://www.freebsd.org/commercial.html & ~jhs/freebsd/consultants.html From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. X-Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Phone: +49.89.268616 X-Fax: +49.89.2608126 X-ISDN: +49.89.26023276 X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Linux publishes a Big list of consultants ..... FreeBSD doesn't seem to yet... I think FreeBSD just offers http://www.freebsd.org/commercial.html which lists commercial software, but mentions just one consultant (PHK). I have a web page listing 5 more consultants: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/freebsd/consultants.html I'd welcome formatted entries from phk & other consultants (read page to ascertain format). Please either: Insert an HREF into http://www.freebsd.org/commercial.html pointing to http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/freebsd/consultants.html Or Move my page to become http://www.freebsd.org/consultants.html (but if so, I won't be able to maintain it as I'm not a CVS commiter) The preformatted list of consultants should not only be on the web, but also on the cdrom, so the many commercial users who don't have internet access & browser tools configured, can still find us consultants :-). Thanks Julian --- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Only trust operating systems you have sources for. From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 30 17:43:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA05521 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 17:43:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA05506; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 17:43:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) id SAA26804; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:43:31 -0700 (MST) From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199612310143.SAA26804@hemi.com> Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/commercial.html & ~jhs/freebsd/consultants.html To: jhs@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:43:31 -0700 (MST) Cc: doc@freebsd.org, webmaster@freebsd.org, grog@freebsd.org, imp@village.org, msmith@gsoft.com.au, jgrosch@sirius.com, phk@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199612301831.TAA28373@vector.jhs.no_domain> from "Julian H. Stacey" at "Dec 30, 96 07:31:21 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jhs wrote: > I have a web page listing 5 more consultants: ... Hi Julian, How about we add a link to your page for now. I've added a link locally at: http://freebsd.hemi.com/commercial.html Let me know how it looks to you. Also, do you mind maybe changing little things (like background color) to make the page's "look and feel" similar to the FreeBSD main pages ? -Ade ps. I've also noticed that our link from availability.html to your people faces page is incorrect (~jhs/freebsd_people.html instead of ~jhs/freebsd/people.html.) I'll fix this as well. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 31 00:28:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA20243 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:28:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA20236; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 00:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0vezYE-000QYTC; Tue, 31 Dec 96 09:27 MET Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.de (8.8.4/8.6.12) id JAA13467; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:27:20 +0100 (MET) From: grog@lemis.de Message-Id: <199612310827.JAA13467@freebie.lemis.de> Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/commercial.html & ~jhs/freebsd/consultants.html In-Reply-To: <199612310143.SAA26804@hemi.com> from Ade Barkah at "Dec 30, 96 06:43:31 pm" To: mbarkah@hemi.com (Ade Barkah) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:27:19 +0100 (MET) Cc: jhs@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, webmaster@FreeBSD.org, grog@FreeBSD.org, imp@village.org, msmith@gsoft.com.au, jgrosch@sirius.com, phk@FreeBSD.org Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-to: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ade Barkah writes: > > jhs wrote: > >> I have a web page listing 5 more consultants: ... > > Hi Julian, > > How about we add a link to your page for now. I've added a link > locally at: > > http://freebsd.hemi.com/commercial.html > > Let me know how it looks to you. Also, do you mind maybe changing > little things (like background color) to make the page's "look > and feel" similar to the FreeBSD main pages ? Thanks for drawing my attention to this. Wouldn't it make more sense to include the consultant information in the main web page (http://freebsd.hemi.com/commercial.html)? Otherwise phk has an unfair advantage :-) I agree that a little more free-format information would look better. Here's an entry for me:
  • Greg Lehey, 20+ years industry experience in all system programming and systems administration disciplines, including device drivers, kernel debugging, compilers, libraries, performance analysis, site planning. Author of Porting UNIX Software, Installing and Running FreeBSD, and The complete FreeBSD. Contact by mail, or visit my web page Greg From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 31 01:29:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA21694 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 01:29:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA21677; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 01:29:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) id CAA12854; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 02:29:14 -0700 (MST) From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199612310929.CAA12854@hemi.com> Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/commercial.html & ~jhs/freebsd/consultants.html To: grog@lemis.de Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 02:29:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: jhs@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, webmaster@FreeBSD.org, grog@FreeBSD.org, imp@village.org, msmith@gsoft.com.au, jgrosch@sirius.com, phk@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199612310827.JAA13467@freebie.lemis.de> from "grog@lemis.de" at "Dec 31, 96 09:27:19 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greg Lehey wrote: > Thanks for drawing my attention to this. Wouldn't it make more sense > to include the consultant information in the main web page > (http://freebsd.hemi.com/commercial.html)? Otherwise phk has an > unfair advantage :-) Yes. However, Julian's page doesn't easily convert into commercial.html entries. As more people add their free-format entries to commercial.html, the advantage becomes less noticable. Anyway, we'll wait before adding the link until everyone can make their comments. =-) > I agree that a little more free-format information would look better. > Here's an entry for me: >
  • Greg Lehey, ... Thanks for the submission. I've commited a slightly edited version (to make the smgl normalizer happy, and to conform with the rest of the page.) By the way: > visit my [...] The above link is invalid. Please create a "public_html" directory at freefall and put grog.html there. In case you read this before www.freebsd.org rebuilds, you can preview the page at http://freebsd.hemi.com/commercial.html, but just imagine that link to Julian's page doesn't exist yet. =-) To everyone else... this is the time to send in your submissions. =-) Regards, -Ade ------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 31 08:04:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA04356 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 08:04:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from casbah.gatech.edu (casbah.gatech.edu [130.207.165.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA04336 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 08:04:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from 130.207.196.121 (rct007.gtri.gatech.edu [130.207.196.121]) by casbah.gatech.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA01144 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:03:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199612311603.LAA01144@casbah.gatech.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:07:23 -0500 From: Rick Robinson <"gt9964a"@prism.gatech.edu (Rick Robinson)> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: spelling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Guys -- The possessive form of the third-person singular neuter pronoun -- a.k.a. "it" -- is spelled "its," not "it's." "It's" is a contraction of "it is." There. Now your manual will be even better. From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 31 08:20:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA05195 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 08:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA05187 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 08:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov (daemon@cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.101]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06135; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 16:20:04 GMT Received: from auk.fsl.noaa.gov by cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov with SMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA075489203; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 16:20:03 GMT Message-Id: <32C93D80.1C4F@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:21:20 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: CIRA/NOAA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/725) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Rick Robinson (Rick Robinson)" Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spelling References: <199612311603.LAA01144@casbah.gatech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rick Robinson (Rick Robinson) wrote: > The possessive form of the third-person singular neuter pronoun -- > a.k.a. "it" -- is spelled "its," not "it's." > "It's" is a contraction of "it is." Absolutely right. I dare you to find "it's" used improperly in the sections I've written. What's even more disheartening is how often I see "it's" used as possessive "it" in hand-written store signs, local organization newsletters---and much worse---mass media. It probably won't be long until "it's" is accepted American English for either the possessive or the contraction, and "its" is incorrect altogether. The end of the world should happen soon thereafter. ;-) -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 31 12:20:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA19486 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 12:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from jennifer.pernet.net (jennifer.pernet.net [205.229.0.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA19458 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 12:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (dialin253.pernet.net [205.229.0.253]) by jennifer.pernet.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA23000 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 14:15:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961231141934.0066b444@mail.pernet.net> X-Sender: rc10j1@mail.pernet.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 14:19:34 +0000 To: doc@freebsd.org From: rc10j1@pernet.net Subject: freebsd Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk i have windows 95. if i get freebsd will i still be able to use windows as an os From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 31 15:44:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA00867 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA00860 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:44:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00878; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:44:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: rc10j1@pernet.net cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961231141934.0066b444@mail.pernet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 31 Dec 1996 rc10j1@pernet.net wrote: > i have windows 95. if i get freebsd will i still be able to use windows as an os Yes. See http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/multios/multios.html for details. -john From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 31 18:15:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA07838 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:15:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tierzero.apana.org.au (root@tierzero.apana.org.au [203.14.158.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA07831 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from hatch.ching.apana.org.au (hatch.ching.apana.org.au [202.12.89.194]) by tierzero.apana.org.au (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02857; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:44:05 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <32C9C895.3A49@ching.apana.org.au> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 12:44:45 +1030 From: Martin Bull Organization: APANA = internet access with a smile X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Kelly CC: "Rick Robinson (Rick Robinson)" , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spelling References: <199612311603.LAA01144@casbah.gatech.edu> <32C93D80.1C4F@fsl.noaa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sean Kelly wrote: > > Rick Robinson (Rick Robinson) wrote: > > > The possessive form of the third-person singular neuter pronoun -- > > a.k.a. "it" -- is spelled "its," not "it's." > > "It's" is a contraction of "it is." > > Absolutely right. I dare you to find "it's" used improperly in the > sections I've written. > > What's even more disheartening is how often I see "it's" used as > possessive "it" in hand-written store signs, local organization > newsletters---and much worse---mass media. It probably won't be long > until "it's" is accepted American English for either the possessive or > the contraction, and "its" is incorrect altogether. The end of the > world should happen soon thereafter. ;-) Welcome to the "real" world, you might find this troubling but anyhow.... We are ALL users of the language & therefore have an equal oppotunity to change it. Latin is a dead language it will not change! English as it is used in the four corners of the globe, will always be evolving and changing and there isnt a damn thing you or anyone else can do about it :-) So my suggestion is take a deep breath and look back on the good old days when people actualy cared about "The possessive form of the third-person singular neuter pronoun" Martin From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 31 22:14:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA15085 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 22:14:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from microlink.net (ns1.microlink.net [205.242.166.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA15080 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 22:14:45 -0800 (PST) From: jhawkins@microlink.net Received: (from jhawkins@localhost) by microlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id AAA15373; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:14:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:14:40 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199701010614.AAA15373@microlink.net> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-URL: mailto:freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2-4-2 X-Personal_name: J. Hawkins Subject: mailto:freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Walnut Creek FreeBSD doesn't recognize my Future Domain 850/950 SCSI control card. Please add me to your mailing list. 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