From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 4 21:52:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA03921 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 21:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from lonnie.tamarcom.com.au (lonnie.tamarcom.com.au [203.15.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA03736 Sun, 4 Feb 1996 21:48:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cknight@localhost) by lonnie.tamarcom.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA12847; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:48:26 +1100 From: Chris Knight Message-Id: <199602050548.QAA12847@lonnie.tamarcom.com.au> Subject: AcerAltos 7000 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:48:25 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, I've been given a good price for an AcerAltos 7000. However, before I take it, I'd like to know if anyone can tell me if FreeBSD is going to run on it, or do I have to fork out a fortune for Solaris x86? Thanks in advance for any info. Regards, -- Chris Knight Work: +61 03 347 866 Systems Administrator Home: +61 03 301 270 Tamar Communications http: http://www.tamarcom.com.au/~stryqx From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 4 22:42:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA06402 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 22:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06342 Sun, 4 Feb 1996 22:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30757-4>; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 22:44:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 22:44:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Chris Knight cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: AcerAltos 7000 In-Reply-To: <199602050548.QAA12847@lonnie.tamarcom.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, Chris Knight wrote: > Howdy, > I've been given a good price for an AcerAltos 7000. However, before > I take it, I'd like to know if anyone can tell me if FreeBSD is going to run > on it, or do I have to fork out a fortune for Solaris x86? > Thanks in advance for any info. Well, what does a AcerAltos 7000 have? Maybe there is a reason why you are getting a good price... Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 5 07:53:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA04473 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 07:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from MNSi.Net (server.mnsi.net [206.48.122.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA04466 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 07:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from Default (wndnsvr01-25.mnsi.net [206.48.122.86]) by MNSi.Net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) with SMTP id KAA05266 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:48:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:48:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199602051548.KAA05266@MNSi.Net> X-Sender: sblack@mail.MNSi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Scott Black Subject: ISDN Support Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am configuring a small network which will run off an Intel based server. I plan to connect to the internet via a 128K ISDN line. I will use the following equipment : Ascend Pipeline 50 : Livingston Portmaster PM-2E I am researching operating systems now. Is FreeBSD a possible solution for this configuration. TIA, Scott From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 5 08:54:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA08444 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (root@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08439 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA12292 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:56:05 +0800 Received: from GATEWAY by haywire.DIALix.COM with netnews for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org (problems to: usenet@haywire.dialix.com) To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:40:37 GMT From: mark@seeware.DIALix.oz.au (Mark Hannon) Message-ID: Organization: Private FreeBSD site Subject: More EIDE questions Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk To follow up on the recent spate of EIDE questions: I am presently planning on upgrading my rather old 486DX33 system to something a bit more spiffy. The system I am considering is a new 486 motherboard with ISA and VLB slots. I have a few questions.... 1) I see in the handbook that VLB busses are OK but I can't see how I should configure this for the kernel. Do I just use the isa0 entry?? 2) On the same line of questioning, what devices can I put on the VLB bus? I can either get a new EIDE controller to run from the ISA bus or from one of the VLB slots. I assume that it is the same wdc[01] I use irrespective of which bus I stick the card in??? 3) I presently have two IDE HDs and am planning on buying a new shiny one when I upgrade. According to the salesman I should be able to drive 4 HDs off an EIDE drive - Is this true for FreeBSD?? Again how would I configure the kernel??? As two controllers?? ie wdc0/wd0/wd1 and wdc1/wd2 TIA/mark -- +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Mark Hannon,| FreeBSD - Free Unix for your PC| mark@seeware.DIALix.oz.au| | Melbourne, | PGP key available by fingering | epamha@epa.ericsson.se | | Australia | seeware@melbourne.DIALix.oz.au | | From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 5 09:06:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA09761 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 09:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from katanuki1.bekkoame.or.jp (katanuki1.bekkoame.or.jp [202.231.192.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09756 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 09:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pai (mp42.NetLaputa.or.jp [202.234.20.234]) by katanuki1.bekkoame.or.jp (8.6.12+2.5W/3.4W2) with SMTP id CAA29042 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 02:06:37 +0900 Message-ID: <31163551.10A0@pisces.bekkoame.or.jp> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 01:50:25 +0900 From: Takafumi Masuno X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: PCMCIA supports & TP530cs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello. I have quetions. 1. Which are PCMCIA Cards( SCSI and Ether card ) supported by FreeBSD 2.1R . ( If this is FAQ, please show me this FAQ file name and locations. ) 2. Does FreeBSD2.1R run on the ThinkPad 530cs without any problems? And Does Mwave(DSP) device recognize as V34 modem ? Thanks. Takafumi. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 5 11:52:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA18921 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:52:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18912 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA01891; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:55:18 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:55:18 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199602051955.MAA01891@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Takafumi Masuno Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCMCIA supports & TP530cs In-Reply-To: <31163551.10A0@pisces.bekkoame.or.jp> References: <31163551.10A0@pisces.bekkoame.or.jp> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I have quetions. > > 1. Which are PCMCIA Cards( SCSI and Ether card ) supported by FreeBSD 2.1R . > ( If this is FAQ, please show me this FAQ file name and locations. ) It's in the README that comes with the installation. Try http://www.FreeBSD.org > 2. Does FreeBSD2.1R run on the ThinkPad 530cs without any problems? I've never heard of that model, but it does run on all of the 7XX and 36X modles. > And Does Mwave(DSP) device recognize as V34 modem ? Nope. IBM programs that DSP on the newer ThinkPads to be a modem, it's not a modem by default and I doubt anyone would want to write a driver to make it be a modem when you can buy PCMCIA modems pretty cheaply. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 5 18:59:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA20416 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from jthome.jthome.com (jthome.jthome.com [199.232.37.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20406 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jeff@localhost) by jthome.jthome.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA09360 for hardware@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:59:13 -0500 From: Jeff Tyler Message-Id: <199602060259.VAA09360@jthome.jthome.com> Subject: Looking for a good motherboard vendor To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:59:12 -0500 (EST) Organization: Never touch the stuff ... Location: Where ever I go, then there I am. Phone: (508)-440-8624 System: FreeBSD jthome.jthome.com 2.0.5-RELEASE X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just like honest insurance salesman, right ? :-) Here's what I'm looking for, a P100 motherboard (with CPU) preferably with on board serial (16550A) and parallel I/O. Needs to be able to host the following ISA cards: an Adaptec 1542/CF , a 3com 16 bit Ethernet board and a generic VGA board. Needs to be able to run FreeBSD 2.0.5-RELEASE. Reliability is important, this machine runs 24x7. IDE disk support is not required. I'm looking for recommendations for both the board and a vendor. I'd prefer a local Boston vendor but am willing to take a chance on mailorder if someone can recommend a good one from recent personal experience. I've just had a * real bad * experience with a vendor who shipped the wrong chip in a 486 board (a DX3 vice a DX4), the board was flaky, waited for over a month for the replacement that never came, etc... And of course they charged my credit card for an upgrade and never shipped. An 800 number and customer service accessible via email would be lovely (well, I can dream can't I ? :-). Rod Grimes, are you out there ? Do you deal in just boards and chips as well as finished boxen ? If so, email me. -- ======================================================================== |Jeff S. Tyler Pencom System Administration| |PSA all the way ! [At Digital] 508-486-5369 | |jeff@jthome.com [Home phone/fax] 508-440-8624/8625 | |jtyler@pencom.com [Pager] 1-800-759-8888 249-5568 | | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | | Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car | | keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke | ======================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 5 22:15:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA01506 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from starfleet.gov (root@sba-ca1-02.ix.netcom.com [204.32.201.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA01499 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from d_burr@localhost) by starfleet.gov (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA00546; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:14:19 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:14:19 -0800 (PST) From: Donald Burr X-Sender: d_burr@starfleet.gov To: Mark Hannon cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More EIDE questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, Mark Hannon wrote: > 1) I see in the handbook that VLB busses are OK but I can't > see how I should configure this for the kernel. Do I just > use the isa0 entry?? Yes. VL-Bus is an extension to ISA bus technology, and so shares the same configuration, architecture, etc. > 2) On the same line of questioning, what devices can I put on > the VLB bus? I can either get a new EIDE controller to run > from the ISA bus or from one of the VLB slots. I assume > that it is the same wdc[01] I use irrespective of which bus > I stick the card in??? Yes. There are some FLAGS that you can enable to enable 32-bit transfers, multi-sector transfers, et al, all increasing performance/throughput. FreeBSD is NOT compatible with EIDE (please correct me if I'm wrong, but it says "EIDE IS NOT SUPPORTED" clearly in the kernel configuration files), but at least several standard IDE VLB controllers work beautifully. > 3) I presently have two IDE HDs and am planning on buying a new > shiny one when I upgrade. According to the salesman I should > be able to drive 4 HDs off an EIDE drive - Is this true for > FreeBSD?? Again how would I configure the kernel??? As two > controllers?? ie wdc0/wd0/wd1 and wdc1/wd2 Again, EIDE is not supported. What you CAN do is get a Secondary IDE controller, which is configured as wdc1, and then you can hang two drives off each controller (wd0/wd1/wd2/wd3). Donald Burr [d_burr@ix.netcom.com], PO Box 91212, Santa Barbara CA 93190-1212 TEL (805)564-1871 / FAX 564-2315 / WWW http://www.geopages.com/WallStreet/2072 PGP Public Key available by request (send e-mail) or on Public Key Servers. ** Uphold your right to privacy - Use PGP. ** From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 5 22:41:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA03247 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:41:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03242 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id HAA07615 ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 07:41:54 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id HAA21825 ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 07:41:53 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id AAA12629; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:12:53 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602052312.AAA12629@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: More EIDE questions To: mark@seeware.DIALix.oz.au (Mark Hannon) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:12:53 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Mark Hannon" at "Feb 5, 96 10:40:37 am" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1630 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL3 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Mark Hannon said: > The system I am considering is a new 486 motherboard with > ISA and VLB slots. I have a few questions.... VLB seems pretty dead now... I'd recommend buying PCI. > 1) I see in the handbook that VLB busses are OK but I can't > see how I should configure this for the kernel. Do I just > use the isa0 entry?? Yes, there are no special considerations kernel-wise for VLB. > 2) On the same line of questioning, what devices can I put on > the VLB bus? I can either get a new EIDE controller to run > from the ISA bus or from one of the VLB slots. I assume > that it is the same wdc[01] I use irrespective of which bus > I stick the card in??? Yes. > 3) I presently have two IDE HDs and am planning on buying a new > shiny one when I upgrade. According to the salesman I should > be able to drive 4 HDs off an EIDE drive - Is this true for We don't support E-IDE. So if 4 drives are a special E-IDE feature, I don't think it would work. But, really, do yourself a favor, buy SCSI and forget all these IDE specifics. Just plug and play (the real one, not the PnP aka Plug and Pray :-)) You won't regret it. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #5: Sun Feb 4 03:11:17 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 5 22:56:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA03592 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA03553 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id PAA06617; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 15:50:24 +0900 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 15:50:24 +0900 Message-Id: <199602060650.PAA06617@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: nate@sri.MT.net Cc: franky@pisces.bekkoame.or.jp, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: PCMCIA supports & TP530cs In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:55:18 -0700. <199602051955.MAA01891@rocky.sri.MT.net> From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article <199602051955.MAA01891@rocky.sri.MT.net> nate@sri.MT.net writes: >> > 1. Which are PCMCIA Cards( SCSI and Ether card ) supported by FreeBSD 2.1R . >> > ( If this is FAQ, please show me this FAQ file name and locations. ) >> >> It's in the README that comes with the installation. Try >> http://www.FreeBSD.org We're working on some PCMCIA Ethernet, FAX/Modem, SCSI, ATA, Flash-ATA cards, but this work is still the alpha-test version and it has not been incorporated into the official release of FreeBSD. You can use Adaptec SlimSCSI 1460, NewMedia BusToaster, Ratoc REX5535 series, with this package, but we've not tried to make boot floppies using our drivers, so you can't use these cards for installation. >> > 2. Does FreeBSD2.1R run on the ThinkPad 530cs without any problems? >> >> I've never heard of that model, but it does run on all of the 7XX and >> 36X modles. TP 530Cs is a Japanese domestic model of IBM Japan. It should not be sold outside Japan. APM BIOS of this model has a serious bug (the value of protected mode data segment which APM returns, points an invaild address). So, APM driver of FreeBSD 2.1.0R should not work with this machine (it hangs up). Today or tomorrow, I'll release the new version of our pccard-test (PCMCIA) driver. It includes some patches to APM driver. You can use TP530's APM with this patch. -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 6 12:56:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA10688 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from vegemite.Stanford.EDU (vegemite.Stanford.EDU [171.65.76.158]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10672 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (hlew@localhost) by vegemite.Stanford.EDU (8.7.1/8.6.4) id MAA22693; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:55:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:55:40 -0800 (PST) From: Howard Lew To: Ollivier Robert cc: Mark Hannon , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More EIDE questions In-Reply-To: <199602052312.AAA12629@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Ollivier Robert wrote: > It seems that Mark Hannon said: > > The system I am considering is a new 486 motherboard with > > ISA and VLB slots. I have a few questions.... > > VLB seems pretty dead now... I'd recommend buying PCI. > > > 1) I see in the handbook that VLB busses are OK but I can't > > see how I should configure this for the kernel. Do I just > > use the isa0 entry?? > > Yes, there are no special considerations kernel-wise for VLB. > > > 2) On the same line of questioning, what devices can I put on > > the VLB bus? I can either get a new EIDE controller to run > > from the ISA bus or from one of the VLB slots. I assume > > that it is the same wdc[01] I use irrespective of which bus > > I stick the card in??? > > Yes. > > > 3) I presently have two IDE HDs and am planning on buying a new > > shiny one when I upgrade. According to the salesman I should > > be able to drive 4 HDs off an EIDE drive - Is this true for > > We don't support E-IDE. So if 4 drives are a special E-IDE feature, I don't > think it would work. Hmmm... I'm not sure if that's correct. I am running 3 hard drives on an EIDE interface card as wd0, wd1, wd2, and see no problems at all. Yeah, it has both wdc0 and wdc1 on the card. > > But, really, do yourself a favor, buy SCSI and forget all these IDE > specifics. Just plug and play (the real one, not the PnP aka Plug and Pray > :-)) > > You won't regret it. > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #5: Sun Feb 4 03:11:17 MET 1996 > /--------------------------------------\ / Howard Lew \ < Email: hlew@genome.stanford.edu > \ http://www.shoppersnet.com / \--------------------------------------/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 6 20:09:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA18443 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:09:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA18433 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:09:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA09852; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:58:02 +1100 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:58:02 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602070358.OAA09852@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hlew@genome.Stanford.EDU, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Subject: Re: More EIDE questions Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, mark@seeware.dialix.oz.au Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> > 3) I presently have two IDE HDs and am planning on buying a new >> > shiny one when I upgrade. According to the salesman I should >> > be able to drive 4 HDs off an EIDE drive - Is this true for >> >> We don't support E-IDE. So if 4 drives are a special E-IDE feature, I don't >> think it would work. >Hmmm... I'm not sure if that's correct. I am running 3 hard drives on an >EIDE interface card as wd0, wd1, wd2, and see no problems at all. Yeah, >it has both wdc0 and wdc1 on the card. EIDE is supposed to be an extension of IDE, so old drivers should work with it to within the limitations of the IDE interface and the old drivers. There are no gratuitous size limitations for the wd driver, but there may be speed limitations. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 6 23:50:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA07294 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07289 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id IAA04580 ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:50:12 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id IAA28425 ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:50:11 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id IAA19109; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:44:54 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602070744.IAA19109@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: More EIDE questions To: hlew@genome.Stanford.EDU (Howard Lew) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:44:54 +0100 (MET) Cc: mark@seeware.dialix.oz.au, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Howard Lew at "Feb 6, 96 12:55:40 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1630 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL5 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Howard Lew said: > Hmmm... I'm not sure if that's correct. I am running 3 hard drives on an > EIDE interface card as wd0, wd1, wd2, and see no problems at all. Yeah, > it has both wdc0 and wdc1 on the card. I said "if..." :-) My knowledge of *IDE is quite limited, having decided a long time ago *IDE was crap and that SCSI was the only way. I happily use two SCSI controllers with 7 devices on it and still use only two IRQ for 4 disks, 2 streamers and a CD-ROM... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #5: Sun Feb 4 03:11:17 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 7 01:37:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA14115 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14108 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA10148; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:04:34 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602070934.UAA10148@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ISDN Support To: sblack@MNSi.Net (Scott Black) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:04:33 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602051548.KAA05266@MNSi.Net> from "Scott Black" at Feb 5, 96 10:48:43 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Scott Black stands accused of saying: > > I am configuring a small network which will run off an Intel based server. > I plan to connect to the internet via a 128K ISDN line. > > I will use the following equipment : Ascend Pipeline 50 > : Livingston Portmaster PM-2E > > I am researching operating systems now. Is FreeBSD a possible solution for > this configuration. Sorry to be slow in responding here Scott, I've been a shade busy... The short answer is yes, FreeBSD would serve you very well in sych an environment. If you want to ask more questions, I'd aim them at the questions@freebsd.org address, which is a little more widely read than this one. Let us know if there's any more questions you want answered... > Scott -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "wherever you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Banzai [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 7 08:46:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA11370 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11340 Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:46:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id BAA21085; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:46:15 +0900 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:46:15 +0900 Message-Id: <199602071646.BAA21085@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: announce@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Reply-To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: [PCMCIA] pccard-test 960207 is now available From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk We announce the release newest alpha-test version (960207) of our "pccard-test" package. It enables FreeBSD-2.1.0 to drive many PCMCIA cards (Ethernet, FAX/Modem, ISDN, Digital Cellular, SCSI, Flash ATA, ATA HDD) and provides you "hotplug" PCMCIA feature on your laptop machines running FreeBSD-2.1.0. This work is based on Andrew McRae's sys/pccard stuffs. -------------------------------------------------------------- Caution!: This package is the alpha-test version. Please backup your important data before installing this package. We are not responsible for the proper functioning of it, and we are not responsible for damages incurred with its use. -------------------------------------------------------------- You can get it from ftp://bash.cc.keio.ac.jp/pub/os/FreeBSD/alpha-test/pccard/pccard-test-960207.tar.gz Improvements upon last release: Too much. It says all :-). # ls -l -rw-r--r-- 1 root bin 95465 Jan 23 02:05 pccard-test-960123.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root bin 170917 Feb 8 00:47 pccard-test-960207.tar.gz If you want to know the latest information of this package, please open this URL. http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/freebsd-pcmcia/ Enjoy ! HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi BSD-nomads Mailing List, Japan FreeBSD daemon artworks hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Current Status of "pccard-test" Package for FreeBSD ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Type Card Status Driver ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ethernet 3Com Etherlink III 3C589B OK nep 3Com Etherlink III 3C589C OK nep Accton? UE2212 SLOW ed Accton EN2212 SLOW ed Farallon EtherMac OK nep Fujitsu FMV-J181 OK fe IBM Creditcard Ethernet I OK ed IBM Creditcard Ethernet II OK ed NextCom J Link NC5310 OK fe FAX/Modem APEX DATA Mobile Plus V.34 OK sio Fujitsu FMV-JMD712 OK sio GATEWAY2000 MODEM OK sio Hayes OPTIMA 288 V.34 NG sio Megahertz XJ1144 OK sio Megahertz XJ2144 OK sio Megahertz XJ2144J OK sio Megahertz XJ2288 OK sio Megahertz XJ3288J OK sio NewMedia FAX/Modem 14.4K OK sio OMRON ME2814 Fax/Modem OK sio OMRON MD24XCA Fax/Modem OK sio PREMAX FM288 OK sio Panasonic TO-706C NG sio TDK DF1414 OK sio TDK DF1414EX OK sio US Robotics Sportster PCMCIA V.34 OK sio US Robotics COURIER PCMCIA V.34 OK sio Xircom CreditCard Ethernet+Modem (Modem only) OK sio *1 ISDN BUG Linkboy D64K OK sio Digital Cellular NTT DoCoMo DATA/FAX Adapter OK sio IRDA IBM PCMCIA Serial IR Adapter Card NG sio SCSI Adaptec SlimSCSI APM-1460 OK aic NewMedia BusToaster OK aic *2 RATOC REX-5535AC OK spc RATOC REX-5535AMC OK spc RATOC REX-5535X OK spc Flash ATA SunDisk SPD5-5 (OEM: Epson Flash Packer 5MB) OK wdc SunDisk SPD5-20 (OEM: Epson Flash Packer 20MB) OK wdc SunDisk SPD-40 (OEM: Epson Flash Packer 40MB) OK wdc ATA HDD Maxtor MobileMax MXL131 OK wdc Mitsubishi M6887-3 170MB OK wdc ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *1 We don't want to support any Xircom PCMCIA cards because of their harsh policy against free software. It only means a Xircom card works with this driver. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 7 14:11:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA01819 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from strech.cyber-naut.com (strech.cyber-naut.com [204.118.47.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01812 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by strech.cyber-naut.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA16568 for hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:09:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:09:10 -0700 From: Blair Schmittel Message-Id: <199602072209.PAA16568@strech.cyber-naut.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: hardward advice Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I need some advice on buying a new CSU/DSU. I am currently looking at a Motorola FT100S, and a Cray Routermate-T1. Which one would be better? Thanks Blair From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 7 22:13:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA22641 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:13:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from skat.usc.edu (skat.usc.edu [128.125.253.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22632 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:13:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from paward@localhost) by skat.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) id WAA11483; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:12:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:12:57 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Ward To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: AIC 7850 support? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've been browsing through the old archive, and I don't know if this issue has been resolved yet. I have a machine that I want to setup with this config - I'm not on the mailing list though so please respond to me directly. Thanks! Patrick Ward UCS Consultant From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 8 05:50:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA21380 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 05:50:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from wa3ymh.transsys.com (#6@wa3ymh.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.42]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA21353 Thu, 8 Feb 1996 05:49:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from wa3ymh.transsys.com (#6@localhost.TransSys.COM [127.0.0.1]) by wa3ymh.transsys.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03296; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 08:49:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602081349.IAA03296@wa3ymh.transsys.com> To: multimedia@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Sound card, etc. for new system Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 08:49:54 -0500 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm building a new system from scratch for home. I've been running FreeBSD for a while now on another system at work, and plan to run (initially) FreeBSD 2.2-960130-SNAP on the new box as it comes up. I'm running this version now on the machine at work, and can will use it to build "custom" kernels for the install process, if required. >From watching the FreeBSD mailing lists and look through archives, the Gravis Ultrasound MAX seems to be pretty popular. Lately, though, it seems that the new UltraSound Plug&Play would be a good investment if it actually works.. I spent a few hours plowing through USENET newsgroups reading all about the Plug&Play version of the board and what it can do, etc. I think that I'm more confused now than before. So, is this thing known to work on FreeBSD systems? If the GUS P&P version works, I think that I want/need the non-"pro" version and add my own pair of 1MB SIMMs rather than buying the "pro" version with 512K of memory. The goal is to be able to support Full Duplex audio for MBONE tools. Incidental game playing is somewhat lower on the list.. By the way, the whole poposed system configuration so far is: Tyan Titan III, 133MHz pentium, 512K Pipeline burst cache, 32MB 60ns EDO RAM #9 Motion 771, PCI, 4MB VRAM Tyan Yorktown 53C825-based SCSI controller LinkSys DC21040-AA based PCI ethernet controller Gravis Ultrasound Plug & Play, with 2MB DRAM ~2GB SCSI disk (as yet undecided) 6X SCSI CDROM (probably the NEC) ALPS glidepoint keyboard/"mouse" Based on looking at the code, I *think* that the LinkSys ethernet board will work with the existing if_de.c driver. It can be had for about $85 at Computer City. Confirmation of compatiblity would be nice, though.. Thanks for the advice, Louis Mamakos From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 9 10:48:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA02130 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02122 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id TAA15190; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:30:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from knobel.gun.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA01409; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:30:11 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:30:11 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: Jeff Tyler cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for a good motherboard vendor In-Reply-To: <199602060259.VAA09360@jthome.jthome.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Here's what I'm looking for, a P100 motherboard (with CPU) > preferably with on board serial (16550A) and parallel I/O. Needs > to be able to host the following ISA cards: an Adaptec 1542/CF , > a 3com 16 bit Ethernet board and a generic VGA board. Needs to > be able to run FreeBSD 2.0.5-RELEASE. Reliability is important, > this machine runs 24x7. ASUS P/I55TP4XE + synch burst cache. EDO Ram is not so important. Got best results and is very reliable. -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Feb 10 20:46:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA12354 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 20:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA12334 Sat, 10 Feb 1996 20:46:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199602110446.UAA12334@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Archive Anaconda SCSI-2 is really SCSI-1 To: scsi Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 20:46:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: hardware X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk the archive anaconda 1.35GB QIC tape drive may be a SCSI-1 device not a SCSI-2 as advertised. INQUIRY command output delares the unit to be SCSI-1 Aspen:[143] scsi -f /dev/st0ctl.0 -c "12 0 0 0 64 0" -i 64 - SCIOCCOMMAND ioctl: Command accepted. host adapter status 110 Command out (6 of 6): 12 00 00 00 64 00 Data in (64 of 64): 01 80 01 00 31 00 00 00 41 52 43 48 49 56 45 20 # ....1...ARCHIVE 41 4e 43 44 41 20 32 37 35 30 20 32 38 30 37 37 # ANCDA 2750 28077 2d 30 30 33 20 20 20 20 36 2e 30 30 20 20 00 00 # -003 6.00 .. 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 # ................ No sense sent. Furthermore the unit rejects MODE SENSE commands with page control = 01 and page code = 0x3f Aspen:[174] scsi -f /dev/st0ctl.0 -c "0x1A 0 0x3f 0 0xff 0" -i 255 - SCIOCCOMMAND ioctl: Command accepted. return status 3 (Sense Returned)Command out (6 of 6): 1a 00 3f 00 ff 00 Data in (0 of 255): Error code is "current errors" Segment number is 00 Sense key is "Illegal request" The Information field is not valid but contains 00000000 (0). The Command Specific Information field is 00000000 (0). Additional sense code: 00 Additional sense code qualifier: 00 sense (32 of 48): 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 1e cb 08 40 34 62 00 1c 11 00 00 00 00 The QIC implementation of the SCSI-2 spec references QIC-95-101 for tape medium type and density codes. anyone have a copy? i will call QIC on monday to get one. so far i have: tape in drive medium code density code ---------------------------------------------------------------- QIC-1350 (DC-9135) 0x23 0x00 (DC-6250) 0x06 0x10 QIC-150 (QD-6150) 0x06 0x10 the unit can read QD-6150 tapes. FreeBSD does recognize the difference between QIC-150 and QIC-1350 tapes as reflected in the output 'mt -f /dev/rst0 status' ;) -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Feb 10 21:31:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA14138 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from wgrobez1.remote.louisville.edu (wgrobez1.remote.louisville.edu [136.165.243.183]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14133 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wangel@localhost) by wgrobez1.remote.louisville.edu (8.7.3/8.6.12) id AAA06422; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 00:25:42 GMT Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 00:25:42 +0000 () From: Wicked Angel To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: QIC-80 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ok, here's something stupid: I have a QIC-80 Colorado Jumbo drive, I always get 'fdc0' input/output errors. If I type 'mt -f /dev/rft0 status' my pc sits and thinks for a few mins, then returns an error complaining about input/output error :( Any ideas? Thanks