From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 12 22:03:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16885 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 22:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw1.att.com (gw1.att.com [192.20.239.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA16878 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 22:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA24755; Mon, 13 May 96 00:59:54 EDT From: gtc@aloft.att.com (gary.corcoran) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, smatthew@ccnet.com Received: from aloft (aloft.cnet.att.com) by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-M4.3) id AA09569; Mon, 13 May 96 01:02:33 EDT Received: from stargazer (stargazer.cnet.att.com) by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M5.1) id AA16405; Mon, 13 May 96 01:02:40 EDT Received: by stargazer (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA16795; Mon, 13 May 96 01:02:38 EDT Date: Mon, 13 May 96 01:02:38 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!aloft!gtc (gary.corcoran) Message-Id: <9605130502.AA16795@stargazer> Original-To: FreeBSD.ORG!freebsd-hardware, ccnet.com!smatthew Subject: Re: Motherboards Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Scott, If you don't mind paying a little more to get a good quality motherboard, look at what AMI (American Megatrends Inc.) has to offer. Their motherboards are made in America, are good quality, and they support them. And yes, they are the same folks that bring you the AMI BIOS used by so many motherboard makers. I have two AMI motherboards, and have never had a hardware problem (e.g a board that wouldn't work) with them. My Pentium motherboard (which runs FreeBSD) is an AMI Titan II EISA/PCI motherboard. It supports dual Pentiums, though I only have one installed. By now, however, this board is "old" (a year or so...) ;-} :-( and since it has many slots (6 EISA + 4 PCI with none overlapped) you need a special "server" 12-slot case to hold it. However, I understand that they now have newer boards with 4 EISA or ISA + 4 PCI slots that fit in a standard case and feature the newer faster Pentiums. So you might want to check out exactly what AMI now offers... Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 13 00:57:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA27724 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 00:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.tioga.com (root@falcon.tioga.com [205.146.65.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA27719 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 00:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tbalfe@localhost) by falcon.tioga.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id DAA01959; Mon, 13 May 1996 03:57:57 GMT Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 03:57:57 +0000 () From: Thomas J Balfe To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: PCI Cyclades Cyclom-16YeP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have this card? Is it supported? ======================================================================== Thomas J Balfe tbalfe@tioga.com President http://www.tioga.com/ Tioga Communications, Inc 814-867-4770 ======================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 13 04:28:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA13378 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 04:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA13369 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 04:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA13372; Mon, 13 May 1996 21:25:45 +1000 Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 21:25:45 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199605131125.VAA13372@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tbalfe@tioga.com Subject: Re: PCI Cyclades Cyclom-16YeP Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Does anyone have this card? Is it supported? Don't know. No. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 13 06:36:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA20749 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 06:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neon.Glock.COM (neon.glock.com [198.82.228.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20744 Mon, 13 May 1996 06:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by neon.Glock.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23402; Mon, 13 May 1996 09:36:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199605131336.JAA23402@neon.Glock.COM> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 09:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605131313.IAA04639@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at May 13, 96 08:13:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joe Greco writes: > > I've got two machine with moderately fast CPUs in them. One > > is a Cyrix 6x86 120+ (@100Mhz), and the other is a P90 (clocked > > to 100Mhz). When I have 40M in the machines, the upper 8M is not > > cached, and my performance is roughly 2/3 of that when they just > > have 32M and all of the memory is cached. > > Does anyone know for sure whether or not 256K cache Triton > > chipsets only cache up to 32M? Anyone know what I can do to get > > the other 8M cached as well? I'd really like to have that extra > > 8M in there, but at 2/3 the performance, it aint gonna happen. > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > My impression was 64M, based on past discussions with Rod Grimes. Hmm. That would then imply that there's something wrong with each of these boards, or that the manufacturer is lazy. Does anyone know if going to 512K cache will allow me to cache on all 40M ram? Thanks! -matt PS - sorry for the crosspost to hardware, but I'd really like to get an answer on this issue. -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 13 07:16:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA23294 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 07:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23286 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 07:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id JAA30231; Mon, 13 May 1996 09:08:39 -0500 Received: from novell(192.2.2.201) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma030229; Mon May 13 10:08:27 1996 Received: from NOVELL/SpoolDir by novell.persprog.com (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 13 May 96 10:08:19 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by NOVELL (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 13 May 96 10:08:05 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc. To: Eric Varsanyi , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hsu@clinet.fi Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:08:00 EST Subject: Re: Motherboards Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-ID: <270B9E0758A@novell.persprog.com> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > ASUS doesn't seem to understand what a PCI-PCI bridge is and why > > someone might want to use one. Their BIOS only detects and initializes > > > >I have at least 6 ASUS based routers which use SMC EtherPower 2 and ZNYX > >4-port ethernet boards. One router has got 10 ports, all occupied. The > >motherboard is the SIS chipset one, P90. I have got Triton II boards also, > >but I'm not absolutely sure that I have tested those with multiple ports in > >use yet (but they are correctly probed and both ports on EP2s are usable > >alone). > > It must only be certain models then... the ones we've had trouble with > were the P54NP4's (Neptune EISA/PCI). It isn't a BSD/OS problem, > these wouldn't even run the DOS diagnostics that come with the > EP2's. The I_LINE register in the second device is left programmed > with apparently random values after POST (I've seen 0xfe, 0x20, > and 0xff). > > They've probably corrected the problems in their newer boards (the > Neptune is at least a couple of years old). > > - -Eric > Eric, there was a generic problem with Neptune chipsets not supporting bridging. This may have been fixed in a later revision of the Neptune chip. We have one machine in house using an ASUS board which will not support two PCI bus-mastering devices. Note that this does not in any way invalidate waht you have stated about the PIN-A etc support on the Asus Neptune boards. Even if the problem with the chipset was corrected, it is possible that Asus has not changed the design of the board to accomodate the newer chips. I am nearly certain that what you described is a problem with the old Neptune board I have in house. Maybe Mr. Grimes would care to comment on the bridging support issue (hint, hint!). ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 13 07:57:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA26202 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 07:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isgate.is (isgate.is [193.4.58.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26189 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 07:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hummer.islandia.is by isgate.is (8.7.5-M/ISnet/14-10-91); Mon, 13 May 1996 14:57:09 GMT Received: from hummer.islandia.is by hummer.islandia.is (8.6.12/ISnet/12-09-94); Mon, 13 May 1996 14:43:25 GMT Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:43:25 +0000 (GMT) From: "Gestur A. Grjetarsson" To: Thomas J Balfe cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI Cyclades Cyclom-16YeP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have been running our system with 16yep db25 for about a month now, it has preatty good support in FreeBSD, no problems so far. On Mon, 13 May 1996, Thomas J Balfe wrote: > Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 03:57:57 +0000 () > From: Thomas J Balfe > To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: PCI Cyclades Cyclom-16YeP > > Does anyone have this card? Is it supported? > > > ======================================================================== > Thomas J Balfe tbalfe@tioga.com > President http://www.tioga.com/ > Tioga Communications, Inc 814-867-4770 > ======================================================================== > > > Med kvedju Sincerely -------------------------------------------------- Gestur A. Grjetarsson gestur@islandia.is kerfisstjori islandia.is sysadmin islandia.is http://www.islandia.is/~gestur http://www.islandia.is/misc/skvopn There are only three kind of people in the world ! Those who know how to count, and those who don't ! From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 13 11:30:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA11362 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 11:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neon.Glock.COM (neon.glock.com [198.82.228.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11330 Mon, 13 May 1996 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by neon.Glock.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA02591; Mon, 13 May 1996 14:29:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199605131829.OAA02591@neon.Glock.COM> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: blh@nol.net (Brett L. Hawn) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Brett L. Hawn" at May 13, 96 01:24:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brett L. Hawn writes: > On Mon, 13 May 1996, matthew c. mead wrote: > > Joe Greco writes: > > > > I've got two machine with moderately fast CPUs in > > > > them. One is a Cyrix 6x86 120+ (@100Mhz), and the other > > > > is a P90 (clocked to 100Mhz). When I have 40M in the > > > > machines, the upper 8M is not cached, and my performance > > > > is roughly 2/3 of that when they just have 32M and all of > > > > the memory is cached. > > > > Does anyone know for sure whether or not 256K cache > > > > Triton chipsets only cache up to 32M? Anyone know what > > > > I can do to get the other 8M cached as well? I'd really > > > > like to have that extra 8M in there, but at 2/3 the > > > > performance, it aint gonna happen. Any help is greatly > > > > appreciated! > > > My impression was 64M, based on past discussions with Rod > > > Grimes. > > Hmm. That would then imply that there's something wrong > > with each of these boards, or that the manufacturer is lazy. > > Does anyone know if going to 512K cache will allow me to > > cache on all 40M ram? Thanks! > Assuming that these are Triton-1 chipsets you will find that > anything over 64m leads to non-caching. I would highly suggest > getting some of the new ASUS (just my particular favorite) tr-2 > chipset motherboards, these solve the caching problem along > with many of the other inherent bugs of tr-1 chipsets. Well, I'm positive that anything over 64M will lead to non-caching. I'm also positive that anything over 32M leads to non-caching. Any ideas on what I should do to get the upper 8M (megs 32-39) cached? I'm thinking of purchasing a 512k COAST module, but I want to make sure that will do it before I buy it. -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 13 11:30:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA11428 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 11:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nol.net (root@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11420 Mon, 13 May 1996 11:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dazed.nol.net (blh@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by nol.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12806; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:24:53 -0500 (CDT) X-AUTH: NOLNET SENDMAIL AUTH Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:24:52 -0500 (CDT) From: "Brett L. Hawn" To: "matthew c. mead" cc: Joe Greco , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? In-Reply-To: <199605131336.JAA23402@neon.Glock.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 May 1996, matthew c. mead wrote: > Joe Greco writes: > > > > I've got two machine with moderately fast CPUs in them. One > > > is a Cyrix 6x86 120+ (@100Mhz), and the other is a P90 (clocked > > > to 100Mhz). When I have 40M in the machines, the upper 8M is not > > > cached, and my performance is roughly 2/3 of that when they just > > > have 32M and all of the memory is cached. > > > > Does anyone know for sure whether or not 256K cache Triton > > > chipsets only cache up to 32M? Anyone know what I can do to get > > > the other 8M cached as well? I'd really like to have that extra > > > 8M in there, but at 2/3 the performance, it aint gonna happen. > > > Any help is greatly appreciated! > > > My impression was 64M, based on past discussions with Rod Grimes. > > Hmm. That would then imply that there's something wrong > with each of these boards, or that the manufacturer is lazy. > Does anyone know if going to 512K cache will allow me to cache on > all 40M ram? Thanks! Assuming that these are Triton-1 chipsets you will find that anything over 64m leads to non-caching. I would highly suggest getting some of the new ASUS (just my particular favorite) tr-2 chipset motherboards, these solve the caching problem along with many of the other inherent bugs of tr-1 chipsets. Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 13 12:02:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13639 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 12:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nol.net (root@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13629 Mon, 13 May 1996 12:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dazed.nol.net (blh@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by nol.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14409; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:56:32 -0500 (CDT) X-AUTH: NOLNET SENDMAIL AUTH Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:56:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Brett L. Hawn" To: "matthew c. mead" cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? In-Reply-To: <199605131829.OAA02591@neon.Glock.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 May 1996, matthew c. mead wrote: > > Assuming that these are Triton-1 chipsets you will find that > > anything over 64m leads to non-caching. I would highly suggest > > getting some of the new ASUS (just my particular favorite) tr-2 > > chipset motherboards, these solve the caching problem along > > with many of the other inherent bugs of tr-1 chipsets. > > Well, I'm positive that anything over 64M will lead to > non-caching. I'm also positive that anything over 32M leads to > non-caching. Any ideas on what I should do to get the upper 8M > (megs 32-39) cached? I'm thinking of purchasing a 512k COAST > module, but I want to make sure that will do it before I buy it. I've not run into the >32mb caching before but I can't say as I ever had >32 && <64 in a machine at any given time. Rather than purchasing the module I'd look into the cost of buying a new tr-2 motherboard w/ 512k pipeline-burst cache (Winbob, the hitatchi cache blows goats). Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 13 12:33:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA15406 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 12:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neon.Glock.COM (neon.glock.com [198.82.228.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15393 Mon, 13 May 1996 12:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by neon.Glock.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03211; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:32:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199605131932.PAA03211@neon.Glock.COM> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: blh@nol.net (Brett L. Hawn) Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Brett L. Hawn" at May 13, 96 01:56:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brett L. Hawn writes: > On Mon, 13 May 1996, matthew c. mead wrote: > > > Assuming that these are Triton-1 chipsets you will find that > > > anything over 64m leads to non-caching. I would highly suggest > > > getting some of the new ASUS (just my particular favorite) tr-2 > > > chipset motherboards, these solve the caching problem along > > > with many of the other inherent bugs of tr-1 chipsets. > > Well, I'm positive that anything over 64M will lead to > > non-caching. I'm also positive that anything over 32M leads to > > non-caching. Any ideas on what I should do to get the upper 8M > > (megs 32-39) cached? I'm thinking of purchasing a 512k COAST > > module, but I want to make sure that will do it before I buy it. > I've not run into the >32mb caching before but I can't say as I ever had >32 > && <64 in a machine at any given time. Rather than purchasing the module I'd > look into the cost of buying a new tr-2 motherboard w/ 512k pipeline-burst > cache (Winbob, the hitatchi cache blows goats). Unfortunately, I don't see that as an option, as I got this motherboard at a good bargain. If I had had the money to purchase a better motherboard, I would have purchased a TYAN Tomcat with 512K sync PB cache. Thus, my desire to just purchase the 512K sync PB COAST cache module and have caching on all 40M. I just need to verify that will work... :-) -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 13 13:46:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA20869 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tombstone.sunrem.com (tombstone.sunrem.com [206.81.134.54]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20861 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 13:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brandon@localhost) by tombstone.sunrem.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA04180; Mon, 13 May 1996 14:46:24 -0600 Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:46:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Brandon Gillespie To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 May 1996, Brett L. Hawn wrote: > > Assuming that these are Triton-1 chipsets you will find that anything over > 64m leads to non-caching. I would highly suggest getting some of the new > ASUS (just my particular favorite) tr-2 chipset motherboards, these solve > the caching problem along with many of the other inherent bugs of tr-1 > chipsets. How do you determine which chipset you have? I just picked up the 6x86 bundled with a triton mb. From the motherboard manual: Main Chipset: INTEL TRITON CHIPSET SB82371FB-PIIX*1, SB82437-TSC*1, S82438-TPD*2 IO Chipset: SMB665/SMC669/UMC8669/ALI M5113 PCI Bus Master IDE Embedded Via SB82371FB Thanks... -Brandon Gillespie From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 13 15:43:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA02468 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02460 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA20992 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:43:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA11501; Mon, 13 May 1996 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605132242.PAA11501@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Thomas J Balfe cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PCI Cyclades Cyclom-16YeP In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 May 1996 03:57:57 -0000." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:42:11 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Does anyone have this card? Is it supported? I have the PCI card here, but I haven't had any time to write the PCI front end for it. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 13 16:21:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA05702 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 16:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05650 Mon, 13 May 1996 16:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id BAA27752; Tue, 14 May 1996 01:20:41 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id BAA16082; Tue, 14 May 1996 01:20:39 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA02422; Tue, 14 May 1996 01:18:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605132318.BAA02422@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: blh@nol.net (Brett L. Hawn) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 01:18:16 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: mmead@Glock.COM, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Brett L. Hawn" at "May 13, 96 01:24:52 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Brett L. Hawn wrote: > I would highly suggest getting some of the new > ASUS (just my particular favorite) tr-2 chipset motherboards, these solve > the caching problem along with many of the other inherent bugs of tr-1 > chipsets. They even can do ECC now if you're using parity SIMMs! (About to get my new board into service by tomorrow or thursday. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 13 16:58:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA08848 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 May 1996 16:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isgate.is (isgate.is [193.4.58.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08838 Mon, 13 May 1996 16:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hummer.islandia.is by isgate.is (8.7.5-M/ISnet/14-10-91); Mon, 13 May 1996 23:58:12 GMT Received: from caliber.islandia.is by hummer.islandia.is (8.6.12/ISnet/12-09-94); Mon, 13 May 1996 23:44:39 GMT Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 23:44:39 GMT Message-Id: <199605132344.XAA10362@hummer.islandia.is> X-Sender: gestur@islandia.is X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: hsu@clinet.fi From: gestur@islandia.is (Gestur A Grjetarsson) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, tbalfe@tioga.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG, a-scotov@exchange.microsoft.com Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello everyone out there, following some inqueries about the PCI cyclom multi serial port, I emailed the sales@cyclades for info about their cards, here is the list I got on the supported OS's up to date: >Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT) >From: sales@cyclades.com > >Our PCI board will not support FreeBsd at this time. The driver that it >supportsis Windows NT, LINUX, SCO Openserver 5. hope this gives you the req. info. Međ kveđju, Best regards, ----------------------------------------------------------- Gestur A. Grjetarsson kerfisstjori islandia.is sysadmin islandia.is Islandia, Grensásvegur 7, 2h.t.h., 108 Reykjavik sími 5884020, modem 5884120, fax 5884014 http://www.islandia.is http://www.islandia.is/english.htm http://www.islandia.is/skvopn From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 14 06:17:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA08268 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 06:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA08263; Tue, 14 May 1996 06:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA07905; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:13:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199605141313.JAA07905@Glock.COM> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: blh@nol.net, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605132318.BAA02422@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at May 14, 96 01:18:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch writes: > As Brett L. Hawn wrote: > > I would highly suggest getting some of the new > > ASUS (just my particular favorite) tr-2 chipset motherboards, these solve > > the caching problem along with many of the other inherent bugs of tr-1 > > chipsets. > They even can do ECC now if you're using parity SIMMs! > (About to get my new board into service by tomorrow or thursday. :) I'd really like to do ECC, I just don't have the money for it right now. So does this ECC work the same as the ECC on DEC Alphas? On the Alphas, you put in 5M for every 4M of addressable ram. Is there a fifth simm slot on these motherboards where a non ECC capable motherboard would have 4? -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 14 08:21:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA17244 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 08:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17239; Tue, 14 May 1996 08:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA12912; Tue, 14 May 1996 08:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605141514.IAA12912@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "matthew c. mead" cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, blh@nol.net, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 May 1996 09:13:28 EDT." <199605141313.JAA07905@Glock.COM> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:14:38 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >J Wunsch writes: > >> As Brett L. Hawn wrote: > >> > I would highly suggest getting some of the new >> > ASUS (just my particular favorite) tr-2 chipset motherboards, these solve >> > the caching problem along with many of the other inherent bugs of tr-1 >> > chipsets. > >> They even can do ECC now if you're using parity SIMMs! > >> (About to get my new board into service by tomorrow or thursday. :) > > I'd really like to do ECC, I just don't have the money for it right >now. So does this ECC work the same as the ECC on DEC Alphas? On the Alphas, >you put in 5M for every 4M of addressable ram. Is there a fifth simm slot on >these motherboards where a non ECC capable motherboard would have 4? No, it uses the parity bits. Only 8 syndrome bits are needed for 64bit words. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 14 08:21:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA17334 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 08:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17325; Tue, 14 May 1996 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08531; Tue, 14 May 1996 11:18:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199605141518.LAA08531@Glock.COM> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, blh@nol.net, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605141514.IAA12912@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at May 14, 96 08:14:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Greenman writes: > > I'd really like to do ECC, I just don't have the money for > >it right now. So does this ECC work the same as the ECC > >on DEC Alphas? On the Alphas, you put in 5M for every 4M > >of addressable ram. Is there a fifth simm slot on these > >motherboards where a non ECC capable motherboard would have 4? > No, it uses the parity bits. Only 8 syndrome bits are needed > for 64bit words. Hmm. So does that mean the ECC is limited to single (odd number of) bit errors? -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 14 08:28:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA17860 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 08:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17853; Tue, 14 May 1996 08:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA12962; Tue, 14 May 1996 08:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605141522.IAA12962@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "matthew c. mead" cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, blh@nol.net, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 May 1996 11:18:14 EDT." <199605141518.LAA08531@Glock.COM> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:22:48 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >David Greenman writes: > >> > I'd really like to do ECC, I just don't have the money for >> >it right now. So does this ECC work the same as the ECC >> >on DEC Alphas? On the Alphas, you put in 5M for every 4M >> >of addressable ram. Is there a fifth simm slot on these >> >motherboards where a non ECC capable motherboard would have 4? > >> No, it uses the parity bits. Only 8 syndrome bits are needed >> for 64bit words. > > Hmm. So does that mean the ECC is limited to single (odd >number of) bit errors? ECC has single bit error correction and 2 bit error detection. Better than parity no matter how you slice it. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 14 09:20:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA21265 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21217 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA04268; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:19:40 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605141619.JAA04268@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Motherboards To: dave@persprog.com (David Alderman) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ewv@boom.bsdi.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, hsu@clinet.fi In-Reply-To: <270B9E0758A@novell.persprog.com> from David Alderman at "May 13, 96 10:08:00 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > ASUS doesn't seem to understand what a PCI-PCI bridge is and why > > > someone might want to use one. Their BIOS only detects and initializes > > > > > >I have at least 6 ASUS based routers which use SMC EtherPower 2 and ZNYX > > >4-port ethernet boards. One router has got 10 ports, all occupied. The > > >motherboard is the SIS chipset one, P90. I have got Triton II boards also, > > >but I'm not absolutely sure that I have tested those with multiple ports in > > >use yet (but they are correctly probed and both ports on EP2s are usable > > >alone). > > > > It must only be certain models then... the ones we've had trouble with > > were the P54NP4's (Neptune EISA/PCI). It isn't a BSD/OS problem, > > these wouldn't even run the DOS diagnostics that come with the > > EP2's. The I_LINE register in the second device is left programmed > > with apparently random values after POST (I've seen 0xfe, 0x20, > > and 0xff). > > > > They've probably corrected the problems in their newer boards (the > > Neptune is at least a couple of years old). > > > > - -Eric > > > Eric, there was a generic problem with Neptune chipsets not > supporting bridging. This may have been fixed in a later revision of > the Neptune chip. We have one machine in house using an ASUS board > which will not support two PCI bus-mastering devices. There was a work around for the Neptune chip set to support 2 or more bus mastering PCI devices, Intel released it to board designers way after most of them had been in full production for some time, and the fixed involved adding several pals to the board. (It replaced the PCI bus arbitier built into the chip set with an ad hoc one build out of Pal's.) > Note that this does not in any way invalidate waht you have stated > about the PIN-A etc support on the Asus Neptune boards. Even if the > problem with the chipset was corrected, it is possible that Asus has > not changed the design of the board to accomodate the newer chips. I > am nearly certain that what you described is a problem with the old > Neptune board I have in house. I don't have any doubts that the old ASUS Neptune boards are broken with respect to both PCI-PCI bridges and multiple bus mastering devices. I am unclear if the INT-A, B, C and D signals are fully routed to all slots. > Maybe Mr. Grimes would care to comment on the bridging support issue > (hint, hint!). I already commented once, but most of the brokeness in the Neptune based boards is due to the fact that the ink on the PCI 2.0 spec was not dry at the time this chipset was designed. No PCI-PCI bridge chips had completed design at the time Neptune was being done, pretty hard to make sure it would really work when you don't have a design to test it with. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 14 09:34:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA22089 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22084; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id LAA06612; Tue, 14 May 1996 11:30:00 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199605141630.LAA06612@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: davidg@root.com Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:29:59 -0500 (CDT) Cc: mmead@Glock.COM, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, blh@nol.net, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605141522.IAA12962@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at May 14, 96 08:22:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> No, it uses the parity bits. Only 8 syndrome bits are needed > >> for 64bit words. > > > > Hmm. So does that mean the ECC is limited to single (odd > >number of) bit errors? > > ECC has single bit error correction and 2 bit error detection. Better than > parity no matter how you slice it. I have not tried it on D-P, but Rod says that the Triton-II ECC imposes an extra delay in memory accesses, i.e. "don't use it". That should be really easy to see if you go looking for it. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 14 09:52:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA23455 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23450; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA04309; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:41:05 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605141641.JAA04309@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: mmead@Glock.COM (matthew c. mead) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, blh@nol.net, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605141313.JAA07905@Glock.COM> from "matthew c. mead" at "May 14, 96 09:13:28 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > J Wunsch writes: > > > As Brett L. Hawn wrote: > > > > I would highly suggest getting some of the new > > > ASUS (just my particular favorite) tr-2 chipset motherboards, these solve > > > the caching problem along with many of the other inherent bugs of tr-1 > > > chipsets. > > > They even can do ECC now if you're using parity SIMMs! > > > (About to get my new board into service by tomorrow or thursday. :) > > I'd really like to do ECC, I just don't have the money for it right > now. So does this ECC work the same as the ECC on DEC Alphas? On the Alphas, > you put in 5M for every 4M of addressable ram. Is there a fifth simm slot on > these motherboards where a non ECC capable motherboard would have 4? No, this does not work the way you describe the Alpha working. You simply use 72 pin x 36 bit simms in pairs. 64 bits of data requires 8 bits to do ECC _OR_ byte parity. There is a setting in the BIOS that allows you to choose either ECC mode or Parity mode. Choosing ECC gives you the warm fuzzies, but it costs you 10 to 15% in memory bandwidth. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 14 11:55:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA02769 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 11:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02760 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 11:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id LAA00480; Tue, 14 May 1996 11:55:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:55:13 -0700 From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199605141855.LAA00480@kithrup.com> To: mmead@Glock.COM Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? Newsgroups: kithrup.freebsd.hardware In-Reply-To: <199605141313.JAA07905.kithrup.freebsd.hardware@Glock.COM> References: <199605132318.BAA02422@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at May 14, 96 01:18:16 am Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199605141313.JAA07905.kithrup.freebsd.hardware@Glock.COM> mead@Glock.COM writes: > I'd really like to do ECC, I just don't have the money for it right >now. So does this ECC work the same as the ECC on DEC Alphas? On the Alphas, >you put in 5M for every 4M of addressable ram. Is there a fifth simm slot on >these motherboards where a non ECC capable motherboard would have 4? No, you use normal x36 SIMMs; for example, I bought two 4x36 60ns SIMMs for my Triton-II motherboard (which has yet to arrive, admittedly ;)). I'm assuming that, in ECC mode, the chipset always makes sure 64 bits are fetched; with one bit of parity per 8-bit byte, that gives you 8 bits of parity bits per 64-bit longword; that leaves a couple of extra bits more than ECC requires. Rod says that there is about a 10-15% performance penalty when using ECC mode. I'm looking around trying to see if I can get some programming information on the chipset; it'd be nice if freebsd could actually *use* the information, instead of just taking an NMI ;). Sean. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 14 16:46:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA24464 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multivac.orthanc.com (root@multivac.orthanc.com [206.12.238.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24457 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orodruin.orthanc.com (root@orodruin.orthanc.com [206.12.238.3]) by multivac.orthanc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18435 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (lyndon@localhost) by orodruin.orthanc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09068 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605142346.QAA09068@orodruin.orthanc.com> X-Authentication-Warning: orodruin.orthanc.com: lyndon owned process doing -bs X-Authentication-Warning: orodruin.orthanc.com: Host lyndon@localhost didn't use HELO protocol From: Lyndon Nerenberg VE7TCP To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Sync PPP board X-Attribution: VE7TCP Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:45:59 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone recommend a board that provides one (or two) sync serial ports capable of handling at least 256 kb/s suitable for a sync PPP connection? --lyndon From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 14 17:41:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA28254 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 17:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28249 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 17:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA04617; Tue, 14 May 1996 17:40:44 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605150040.RAA04617@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com (Brandon Gillespie) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Brandon Gillespie at "May 13, 96 02:46:23 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 13 May 1996, Brett L. Hawn wrote: > > > > Assuming that these are Triton-1 chipsets you will find that anything over > > 64m leads to non-caching. I would highly suggest getting some of the new > > ASUS (just my particular favorite) tr-2 chipset motherboards, these solve > > the caching problem along with many of the other inherent bugs of tr-1 > > chipsets. > > How do you determine which chipset you have? I just picked up the 6x86 > bundled with a triton mb. From the motherboard manual: > > Main Chipset: INTEL TRITON CHIPSET > SB82371FB-PIIX*1, SB82437-TSC*1, S82438-TPD*2 That is triton-I, as in Triton-II the TSC has been compined with the TPD chips, so for Triton-II you would have a SB82371SB and a FW82439HX. > IO Chipset: SMB665/SMC669/UMC8669/ALI M5113 > PCI Bus Master IDE Embedded Via SB82371FB These tend to stay the same on most vendors Triton-II board, ASUS seems to have gone back to the SMC669, but that can change as the parts are pretty much interchangable except for bios programming. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 14 19:09:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA03584 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 19:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from optim.ism.net ([205.199.12.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA03577; Tue, 14 May 1996 19:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from optim.ism.net (jdc@optim.ism.net [205.199.12.2]) by optim.ism.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA18641; Tue, 14 May 1996 20:09:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 20:09:35 -0600 (MDT) From: John-David Childs To: Michael Smith cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disktab for Micropolis 4221-09/2112-15???? In-Reply-To: <199605110932.TAA12546@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 11 May 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > The 4221 is a SCSI device. You don't want physical geometry information > info for the drive (it's a ZBR device and doesn't have 'geometry' in > the traditional sense of the word anyway). > > What you want is the BIOS geometry imposed by the SCSI controller you're > using. > After several additional hours of struggle, including implementing suggestions to create a small DOS partition from which FreeBSD would pick up the drive or BIOS geometry...I finally "solved" my problem by getting FreeBSD to use the ENTIRE drive (so that drive geometries wouldn't be calculated/used at all). For whatever reason, FreeBSD just wouldn't work on those drives any other way ("missing operating system")...it probably has something to do with the way the drives were set up under BSDi. Thanks for all the advice! -- John-David Childs www.marsweb.com/www.ism.net System Administrator Internet Services Montana (406)721-6277 & Network Engineer M@RSWeb - Montana's PREMIER Web Site "I used up all my sick days...so I'm calling in dead" From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 15 07:25:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA21656 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 07:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21648 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 07:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA14706; Wed, 15 May 1996 07:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605151425.HAA14706@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Sean Eric Fagan cc: mmead@Glock.COM, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 May 1996 11:55:13 PDT." <199605141855.LAA00480@kithrup.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 07:25:43 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I'm assuming that, in ECC mode, the chipset always makes sure 64 bits are >fetched; with one bit of parity per 8-bit byte, that gives you 8 bits of >parity bits per 64-bit longword; that leaves a couple of extra bits more >than ECC requires. ECC requires 8 syndrome bits for 64bits of data; there are no extra bits. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 15 10:11:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA05274 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 15 May 1996 10:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05175; Wed, 15 May 1996 10:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id KAA26579; Wed, 15 May 1996 10:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA04912; Wed, 15 May 1996 10:04:45 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605151704.KAA04912@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, mmead@Glock.COM, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, blh@nol.net, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605141630.LAA06612@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from Joe Greco at "May 14, 96 11:29:59 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >> No, it uses the parity bits. Only 8 syndrome bits are needed > > >> for 64bit words. > > > > > > Hmm. So does that mean the ECC is limited to single (odd > > >number of) bit errors? > > > > ECC has single bit error correction and 2 bit error detection. Better than > > parity no matter how you slice it. Only if you have memory that is failing or you need extreamly reliable operation (good memory should have a single bit error rate of something like 1 in 10 years). > > I have not tried it on D-P, but Rod says that the Triton-II ECC imposes an > extra delay in memory accesses, i.e. "don't use it". The cost is about 10 to 15% in memory bandwidth. > That should be really easy to see if you go looking for it. Yep... easy to spot in any bcopy benchmark larger than the cache. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 03:59:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA17561 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 03:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA17537; Thu, 16 May 1996 03:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA19331; Thu, 16 May 1996 12:59:08 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA15713; Thu, 16 May 1996 12:59:01 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA01458; Thu, 16 May 1996 12:31:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605161031.MAA01458@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:31:53 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, davidg@Root.COM, mmead@Glock.COM, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, blh@nol.net, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199605151704.KAA04912@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at "May 15, 96 10:04:45 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > ECC has single bit error correction and 2 bit error detection. Better than > > > parity no matter how you slice it. > > Only if you have memory that is failing or you need extreamly reliable > operation (good memory should have a single bit error rate of something > like 1 in 10 years). I think most of the memory problems we've been observing lately are not related to the RAM itself, but rather to other hardware problems (timing, EMC problems). Remember all the reports about ``strange sig 10/11's'' or the Winbloze ``general protection failure'' mess where you never know whether it's actually hardware or rather an o/s failure. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 04:15:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA20125 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 04:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itp.ac.ru (itp.ac.ru [193.233.32.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA19619 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 04:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (ks@localhost) by itp.ac.ru (8.6.11/8.6.5) id PAA24957 for hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 May 1996 15:12:42 +0400 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:12:42 +0400 From: "Sergey S. Kosyakov" Message-Id: <199605161112.PAA24957@itp.ac.ru> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Initio INI-9100 SCSI PCI Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! Does somebody try to write Initio INI-9100 SCSI PCI driver for FreeBSD ? I bye this card as "100% compatible" with AHA-2940 but FreeBSD 2.1.0R ahc driver does not recognized it. Regards, Sergey. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 04:56:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA22203 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 04:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA22191; Thu, 16 May 1996 04:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA06145; Thu, 16 May 1996 04:54:39 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605161154.EAA06145@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 04:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, davidg@Root.COM, mmead@Glock.COM, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, blh@nol.net, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605161031.MAA01458@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "May 16, 96 12:31:53 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > ECC has single bit error correction and 2 bit error detection. Better than > > > > parity no matter how you slice it. > > > > Only if you have memory that is failing or you need extreamly reliable > > operation (good memory should have a single bit error rate of something > > like 1 in 10 years). > > I think most of the memory problems we've been observing lately are > not related to the RAM itself, but rather to other hardware problems > (timing, EMC problems). Remember all the reports about ``strange sig > 10/11's'' or the Winbloze ``general protection failure'' mess where > you never know whether it's actually hardware or rather an o/s > failure. Since ECC is not applied to either the Cache SRAM or any of the interconnecting busses it won't help these failures. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 06:35:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA00705 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 06:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00698; Thu, 16 May 1996 06:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA04792; Thu, 16 May 1996 23:15:51 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605161345.XAA04792@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Tandberg contacts anyone To: scsi@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:15:50 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Grr. Just had my trusty Tandberg TDC3660 die on me in the middle of a run with a HARDWARE FAILURE, asc:55,0, field replaceable unit: 6. Anyone with contacts at Tandberg or references that might be able to give me some idea where to look? A strip and rebuild doesn't show any obvious signs of death, and as I said it was running along fine, and just stopped. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 09:05:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA13797 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 09:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13791 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 09:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA06220; Thu, 16 May 1996 08:59:07 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605161559.IAA06220@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Initio INI-9100 SCSI PCI To: ks@itp.ac.ru (Sergey S. Kosyakov) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 08:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605161112.PAA24957@itp.ac.ru> from "Sergey S. Kosyakov" at "May 16, 96 03:12:42 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi! > Does somebody try to write Initio INI-9100 SCSI PCI driver for FreeBSD ? > I bye this card as "100% compatible" with AHA-2940 but FreeBSD 2.1.0R > ahc driver does not recognized it. Return the card to whomever sold it to you and tell them it is not 100% compatible with an AHA-2940, as it is not, it has a different PCI vendor ID and product ID, and even once you fix that part of the code in FreeBSD it still will not recognize it. These cards use a ``clone'' of the aic7xxx chip, but far from compatible. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 12:07:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA25375 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 12:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orbit7i.nesdis.noaa.gov (ORBIT7I.NESDIS.NOAA.GOV [140.90.215.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25370 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 12:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 140.90.69.67 by orbit7i.nesdis.noaa.gov via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id PAA25096; Thu, 16 May 1996 15:07:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:07:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199605161907.PAA25096@orbit7i.nesdis.noaa.gov> X-Sender: jcald@orbit7i.nesdis.noaa.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: "Jody B. Caldwell" Subject: Looking for help selecting tape device Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have FreeBSD running on a 386 and I am trying to get a tape backup device that will work with it. I tried the Colorada Backup (HP) T1000 with no luck. Does anyone out there know what I should get. I want to implement regular scheduled backups to this device. Jody B. Caldwell jcald@orbit.nesdis.noaa.gov From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 16:46:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA17043 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 16:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17013 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 16:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA06978; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:27:02 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605162357.JAA06978@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Looking for help selecting tape device To: jcald@orbit1i.NESDIS.NOAA.GOV (Jody B. Caldwell) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:27:01 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605161907.PAA25096@orbit7i.nesdis.noaa.gov> from "Jody B. Caldwell" at May 16, 96 03:07:54 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jody B. Caldwell stands accused of saying: > I have FreeBSD running on a 386 and I am trying to get a tape backup > device that will work with it. I tried the Colorada Backup (HP) > T1000 with no luck. Does anyone out there know what I should get. > I want to implement regular scheduled backups to this device. What's wrong with the T1000? I seem to recall that people have been using them OK - I'd check the mailing list archives for references before giving up hope. > Jody B. Caldwell -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 17:41:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA20865 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 17:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tombstone.sunrem.com (tombstone.sunrem.com [206.81.134.54]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA20838; Thu, 16 May 1996 17:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brandon@localhost) by tombstone.sunrem.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA07787; Thu, 16 May 1996 18:41:10 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:41:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Brandon Gillespie To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: PnP Modem: US Robotics Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a pentium system with a PnP bios. It runs Win95 on one partition and I am working on getting FreeBSD on another. I am having a bit of a problem with the modem however. It is a US Robotics Sportser internal PnP modem. In Win95 I managed to get it working (after frobbing my sound card config). Win95 reports it as being configured as: COM: 3 IRQ: 5 Address: 110 UART: NS 16550AN When FreeBSD boots and probes sio2 it comes up with nothing. Could the problem lie in the Address? If so, what would be the appropriate 'port' in the kernel config? Help? :) -Brandon Gillespie From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 18:18:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA23337 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 18:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA23324; Thu, 16 May 1996 18:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199605170118.SAA23324@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Looking for help selecting tape device To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jcald@orbit1i.NESDIS.NOAA.GOV, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605162357.JAA06978@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at May 17, 96 09:27:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > > Jody B. Caldwell stands accused of saying: > > > I have FreeBSD running on a 386 and I am trying to get a tape backup > > device that will work with it. I tried the Colorada Backup (HP) > > T1000 with no luck. Does anyone out there know what I should get. > > I want to implement regular scheduled backups to this device. > > What's wrong with the T1000? I seem to recall that people have been > using them OK - I'd check the mailing list archives for references > before giving up hope. the HP Colorado T1000 comes in two flavors: floppy and parallel. capacity is 400MB native, 800MB (approx) compressed. thruput will be *slow*. unless you have no other choice, you dont want this device. get yourself a nice scsi tape unit 1.3GB native for the same price. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 18:53:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA26979 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 18:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26969; Thu, 16 May 1996 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id PAA20303; Thu, 16 May 1996 15:51:28 -1000 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:51:28 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199605170151.PAA20303@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: "Rodney W. Grimes" "Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only?" (May 15, 10:04am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Rodney W. Grimes" , jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } > > >> No, it uses the parity bits. Only 8 syndrome bits are needed } > > >> for 64bit words. } > > > } > > > Hmm. So does that mean the ECC is limited to single (odd } > > >number of) bit errors? } > > } > > ECC has single bit error correction and 2 bit error detection. Better than } > > parity no matter how you slice it. } } Only if you have memory that is failing or you need extreamly reliable } operation (good memory should have a single bit error rate of something } like 1 in 10 years). This is all subject to personal judgement. How a 15% performance hit compares with the possibility of lost or bad data should not be trivialized. One error in ten years may not seem like much, but it could still cost lots of time and money. And it's just as likely to happen today as in ten years. Besides, parity protection doesn't prevent memory-error crashes, ECC does. Having no protection is scarey (Triton-I). Parity memory is a great improvement. ECC is better yet. Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 20:27:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA04804 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (root@xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04799 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (smpatel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA23242; Thu, 16 May 1996 23:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:26:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Brandon Gillespie cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PnP Modem: US Robotics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ Followup to hardware only ] On Thu, 16 May 1996, Brandon Gillespie wrote: > IRQ: 5 > Address: 110 > UART: NS 16550AN > > When FreeBSD boots and probes sio2 it comes up with nothing. Could the > problem lie in the Address? If so, what would be the appropriate > 'port' in the kernel config? Help? :) The PnP bios often has a really tough time trying to figure out where to actually put devices (i.e. it doesn't always get the "conflict free" or "standard" configuration). Win95 also suffers from the same problem. If you grab the Alpha PnP stuff from ftp://freefall.freebsd.org/incoming/ISA_PnP.May5.tar.gz you'll be able to hardcode where you want your modem (probably 3e8, 5). Though this isn't an optimal solution yet, it will get you up and running without much fuss IMO. Sujal From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 20:53:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA06746 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06723; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA09525; Fri, 17 May 1996 13:34:22 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605170404.NAA09525@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: PnP Modem: US Robotics To: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com (Brandon Gillespie) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:34:21 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Brandon Gillespie" at May 16, 96 06:41:10 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brandon Gillespie stands accused of saying: > > I have a pentium system with a PnP bios. It runs Win95 on one partition > and I am working on getting FreeBSD on another. I am having a bit of a > problem with the modem however. It is a US Robotics Sportser internal > PnP modem. In Win95 I managed to get it working (after frobbing my sound This is the basic problem. Being a PnP device it's not actually present as anything at all. PnP support is being worked on, but as it's basically bogus in the extreme progress is not the fastest. > card config). Win95 reports it as being configured as: > > COM: 3 > IRQ: 5 > Address: 110 *LAUGH* 0x110? You have got to be joking 8( sio2 is at 0x3f8. > UART: NS 16550AN I doubt this bit very much. You may also have to frob the sio driver source code to handle the sluggishness of response of the emulator on the card. ... and people wonder why I tell them to buy external modems. *sigh* > -Brandon Gillespie -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 20:59:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA07136 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA07127; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA18758; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:56:03 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605170356.UAA18758@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: PnP Modem: US Robotics To: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com (Brandon Gillespie) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 20:56:03 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brandon Gillespie" at May 16, 96 06:41:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have a pentium system with a PnP bios. It runs Win95 on one partition > and I am working on getting FreeBSD on another. I am having a bit of a > problem with the modem however. It is a US Robotics Sportser internal > PnP modem. In Win95 I managed to get it working (after frobbing my sound > card config). Win95 reports it as being configured as: > > COM: 3 > IRQ: 5 > Address: 110 > UART: NS 16550AN > > When FreeBSD boots and probes sio2 it comes up with nothing. Could the > problem lie in the Address? If so, what would be the appropriate > 'port' in the kernel config? Help? :) Disable PnP on the modem and hard code it to 110 (or whatever). Then tell the kernel where it live (boot with -c, use "visual"). Alternately, the most recent -current *might* find it, since it has some PnP support. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 16 22:59:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16960 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 22:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16955; Thu, 16 May 1996 22:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA15950; Thu, 16 May 1996 22:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605170559.WAA15950@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith), jcald@orbit1i.nesdis.noaa.gov, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for help selecting tape device In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 16 May 96 18:18:02 -0700. <199605170118.SAA23324@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 22:59:37 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> What's wrong with the T1000? I seem to recall that people have been >> using them OK - I'd check the mailing list archives for references >> before giving up hope. > the HP Colorado T1000 comes in two flavors: floppy and parallel. > capacity is 400MB native, 800MB (approx) compressed. thruput > will be *slow*. unless you have no other choice, you dont want > this device. > get yourself a nice scsi tape unit 1.3GB native for the same price. Since when can you get SCSI tape drives for the same price as cheap floppy-controller tape drivers? I've yet to see one even close... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 17 00:13:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA22155 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 00:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua ([193.125.28.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA21847; Fri, 17 May 1996 00:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06766; Fri, 17 May 1996 10:10:35 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id KAA22406; Fri, 17 May 1996 10:10:35 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199605170710.KAA22406@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: Looking for help selecting tape device To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:10:27 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jcald@orbit1i.NESDIS.NOAA.GOV, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605170118.SAA23324@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at May 16, 96 06:18:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello Jonatan, # the HP Colorado T1000 comes in two flavors: floppy and parallel. # capacity is 400MB native, 800MB (approx) compressed. thruput # will be *slow*. unless you have no other choice, you dont want # this device. I was always under impression that Colorado is crap... # get yourself a nice scsi tape unit 1.3GB native for the same price. Can you recommend some one-two reliable brands (exact unit models)? Thanks! # jmb # -- # Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG # FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ # -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 17 03:22:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA05829 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 03:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA05817; Fri, 17 May 1996 03:22:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199605171022.DAA05817@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Looking for help selecting tape device To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 03:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jcald@orbit1i.nesdis.noaa.gov, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605170559.WAA15950@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at May 16, 96 10:59:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > > >> What's wrong with the T1000? I seem to recall that people have been > >> using them OK - I'd check the mailing list archives for references > >> before giving up hope. > > > the HP Colorado T1000 comes in two flavors: floppy and parallel. > > capacity is 400MB native, 800MB (approx) compressed. thruput > > will be *slow*. unless you have no other choice, you dont want > > this device. > > > get yourself a nice scsi tape unit 1.3GB native for the same price. > > Since when can you get SCSI tape drives for the same price as cheap > floppy-controller tape drivers? I've yet to see one even close... since several months ago. the HP Colorado T1000 cost about $200US the archive anaconda 1.3GB QIC scsi drive costs $195US http://www.corpsys.com/ i hvae some detailed info available on the drive. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 17 03:25:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA05974 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 03:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA05968; Fri, 17 May 1996 03:25:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199605171025.DAA05968@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Looking for help selecting tape device To: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua (Andrew V. Stesin) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 03:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jcald@orbit1i.NESDIS.NOAA.GOV, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605170710.KAA22406@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> from "Andrew V. Stesin" at May 17, 96 10:10:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew V. Stesin wrote: > > Hello Jonatan, > > # the HP Colorado T1000 comes in two flavors: floppy and parallel. > # capacity is 400MB native, 800MB (approx) compressed. thruput > # will be *slow*. unless you have no other choice, you dont want > # this device. > > I was always under impression that Colorado is crap... > > # get yourself a nice scsi tape unit 1.3GB native for the same price. > > Can you recommend some one-two reliable brands (exact unit models)? Archive Anaconda 1.3GB SCSI-2 QIC tape drive. http://www.corpsys.com/ corporate systems center 1294 hammerwood ave. sunnyvale ca 94089 usa 408-743-8710 (voice) 408-745-1816 (fax) jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 17 09:12:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA27803 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mojo.calyx.com (mojo.calyx.net [204.137.148.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27798 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from amir@localhost) by mojo.calyx.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA26913 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 May 1996 12:12:10 -0400 From: Amir Rosenblatt Message-Id: <199605171612.MAA26913@mojo.calyx.com> Subject: Support for WORM drives? To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does FreeBSD 2.1R have any support for WORM drives? If not, what about the latest incarnation of -stable or -current? Otherwise, are there any plans for such support in the near future? -Amir From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 17 09:23:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA28546 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from facm.ucsb.edu (facm.ucsb.edu [128.111.142.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA28537 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 128.111.142.10 ([128.111.142.10]) by facm.ucsb.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA16499 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 09:44:00 -0700 Message-ID: <319CA430.5901@facm.ucsb.edu> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:07:12 -0700 From: "n. villacorta" Reply-To: fm00vill@facm.ucsb.edu Organization: ucsb.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: ASUS P/E-P55T2P4D ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have experience with the ASUS P/E-P55T2P4D motherboards? Do they work well, or would I be better off with an AMI Titan III motherboard? These boards both are Dual Pentium (upto 166mhz); PCI and EISA; ECC/parity RAM enabled. Chipsets: ASUS- Intel 430HX PCIset AMI- don't know TIA, :-) neil UCSB:Facil.Mngt. Network Operations Manager P.S. Are they approved for SMP? (Couldn't find the info at ASUS web site.) From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 17 14:22:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA20762 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20747; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id LAA11062; Fri, 17 May 1996 11:21:55 -1001 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:21:55 -1001 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199605172122.LAA11062@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" "Re: Looking for help selecting tape device" (May 17, 3:22am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Subject: Re: Looking for help selecting tape device Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } > Since when can you get SCSI tape drives for the same price as cheap } > floppy-controller tape drivers? I've yet to see one even close... } } since several months ago. the HP Colorado T1000 cost about $200US } the archive anaconda 1.3GB QIC scsi drive costs $195US } http://www.corpsys.com/ } } i hvae some detailed info available on the drive. } This is one of the most expensive `cheap drives' around. Computer Disk Service (805-499-6355) is selling Exabyte 8200s for $299. The QIC drive with ten tapes will cost about $450. The Exabyte, which stores 2.3GB per 8mm tape, will cost about $350 with ten tapes! If you don't like the Exabyte for some reason then check into the 4mm DAT drives. The tapes are a bit more expensive than the 8mm, but still less than a third the price of the QIC tapes. The reason the QIC drives are so cheap is because no one wants them because the tapes are too expensive. Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 17 14:53:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA22701 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multivac.orthanc.com (root@multivac.orthanc.com [206.12.238.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22686; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orodruin.orthanc.com (root@orodruin.orthanc.com [206.12.238.3]) by multivac.orthanc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01189; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (lyndon@localhost) by orodruin.orthanc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16143; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605172152.OAA16143@orodruin.orthanc.com> X-Authentication-Warning: orodruin.orthanc.com: lyndon owned process doing -bs X-Authentication-Warning: orodruin.orthanc.com: Host lyndon@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? Reply-To: salyzyn@inet.dpt.com Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:52:47 -0700 From: Lyndon Nerenberg Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm forwarding this on Mark's behalf. If you would like to see FreeBSD support for DPT's SCSI controllers, please let him know. --lyndon ------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 15 May 96 08:58:27 EST From: "Salyzyn" To: Lyndon Nerenberg Subject: FreeBSD driver My boss wants me to investigate the market need for the FreeBSD driver. I have only three people I can reference at this moment, could you assertain a larger number of interested parties to give it some clout when I propose the need to develop the driver (in house, as opposed to using my own personal resources, considering my home machine is a melted blob right now). The time to strike is right now! Thanks -- Mark ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 17 16:06:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA27438 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27403; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0uKYaq-0003x4C; Fri, 17 May 96 16:05 PDT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA03061; Fri, 17 May 1996 23:05:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: salyzyn@inet.dpt.com cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 May 1996 14:52:47 MST." <199605172152.OAA16143@orodruin.orthanc.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 23:05:34 +0000 Message-ID: <3059.832374334@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm forwarding this on Mark's behalf. If you would like to see FreeBSD > support for DPT's SCSI controllers, please let him know. Hi Mark, You can quote me on this one for your management. Why would DPT want a FreeBSD driver ? Well, I can think of two things, market and publicity. Market: Probably bigger than you might think. I have personally in the last 13 weeks (the age of my on-line mailarchive) told 14 different people "No, sorry, as nice as the DPTs look, we don't support them, sorry." and I'm generally know considered a HW wizard of any importance. Publicity: A lot of the people out there on the FreeBSD mailing lists do a lot more than FreeBSD. A lot of them have quite impressive power when it comes to hardware selection. "Hey, Danny, what do you think about FOORBAR controllers ?" "Don't know, never ran one" "Hmm what do you use then ?" "FROBOZZ. Never had a hitch" Notice, nothing bad was said about FOORBAR, but somebody else came out on top, because they had been burned in. A lot of people use the stuff on the FreeBSD lists as guidelines when they buy PCs for other uses. Often I hear people argument something along this line: "If FreeBSD can find HW problems where Windows 3.1 see none, and I select HW that work well with FreeBSD, is should have less trouble with my Windows." DPT is obviously seldom mentioned, and if it is it's the "sorry, but don't!" message you see. It would be a lot better for you to have the message be: "Works great." If you produce a driver that works well, with the price/performance and market-share DPT posess, I would expect that you will soon see the business case for writing the driver provide you with a healty return on the quite modest investment it would be. Poul-Henning Kamp, Speaking for himself, not for the FreeBSD core-team. PS: Send us an email on the core-team (core@freebsd.org) and let us find some way we can get the best out of this. We will probably be more than happy to distribute a binary version of the driver in our releases, if we can agree on the details. PPS: I personally have two DPT controllers at home, but one is living a boring life in a little used Windows machine and the other is simply lying unused on a shelf. Much to my irritation because I have a disk that would benefit from a decent controller... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 17 16:40:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA00685 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA00678; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:40:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199605172340.QAA00678@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Looking for help selecting tape device To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 16:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: michaelv@HeadCandy.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605172122.LAA11062@pegasus.com> from "Richard Foulk" at May 17, 96 11:21:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Richard Foulk wrote: > > } > Since when can you get SCSI tape drives for the same price as cheap > } > floppy-controller tape drivers? I've yet to see one even close... > } > } since several months ago. the HP Colorado T1000 cost about $200US > } the archive anaconda 1.3GB QIC scsi drive costs $195US > } http://www.corpsys.com/ > } > } i hvae some detailed info available on the drive. > } > > This is one of the most expensive `cheap drives' around. > > Computer Disk Service (805-499-6355) is selling Exabyte 8200s for $299. > ah, $300, well had i know then what i know now and all that. new? refurb? the anaconda is new. oh well > The QIC drive with ten tapes will cost about $450. > > The Exabyte, which stores 2.3GB per 8mm tape, will cost about $350 with > ten tapes! > > If you don't like the Exabyte for some reason then check into the 4mm > DAT drives. The tapes are a bit more expensive than the 8mm, but still > less than a third the price of the QIC tapes. > > The reason the QIC drives are so cheap is because no one wants them > because the tapes are too expensive. > > > Richard > From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 17 17:48:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA06201 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 17:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iquest.net (iquest4.iquest.net [206.53.230.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA06188 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 17:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ind-004-236-171.iquest.net by iquest.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0uKaCP-0049E5C; Fri, 17 May 96 19:48 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: callisl@pop.iquest.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:51:09 -0400 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Larry Callis Subject: Archive Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm new to freebsd. Is there an archive of this list that I can download in order to catch up ? Thanks, Larry Callis From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 17 19:01:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA10377 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 19:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dunquin (PPP-82-30.BU.EDU [128.197.8.82]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10345; Fri, 17 May 1996 19:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rdmurphy@localhost) by dunquin (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA10006; Fri, 17 May 1996 21:29:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 21:29:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199605180129.VAA10006@dunquin> From: "Russell D. Murphy" To: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com CC: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Brandon Gillespie on Thu, 16 May 1996 18:41:10 -0600 (MDT)) Subject: Re: PnP Modem: US Robotics Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk | I have a pentium system with a PnP bios. It runs Win95 on one partition | and I am working on getting FreeBSD on another. I am having a bit of a | problem with the modem however. It is a US Robotics Sportser internal | PnP modem. I can't say that I've got any great expertise here, but I do have USR Sportster 28.8 internal modem running under FreeBSD 2.1R. I don't run Win95 and have PnP disabled. | In Win95 I managed to get it working (after frobbing my sound | card config). Win95 reports it as being configured as: | | COM: 3 | IRQ: 5 | Address: 110 | UART: NS 16550AN | | When FreeBSD boots and probes sio2 it comes up with nothing. Could the | problem lie in the Address? If so, what would be the appropriate | 'port' in the kernel config? Help? :) For what it's worth, my kernel config is: device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr # enabled sio2 but changed irq from 5 to 7 to install USR modem: device sio2 at isa? port "IO_COM3" tty irq 7 vector siointr # device sio3 at isa? port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9 vector siointr I believe I had to play around a few jumpers (as per the USR manual for "NOT Using PnP"). I forget why exactly I chose 7, but it works OK for me. Sorry I don't have anything to offer re: Win95 and PnP coexistence. Russ Murphy From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 17 20:40:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA19462 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 20:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua ([193.125.28.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19212; Fri, 17 May 1996 20:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05421; Sat, 18 May 1996 06:36:12 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id GAA12140; Sat, 18 May 1996 06:36:12 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199605180336.GAA12140@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? To: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 06:35:51 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: salyzyn@inet.dpt.com, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <3059.832374334@critter.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at May 17, 96 11:05:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello people, probably my opinion isn't of real sugnificance for you, but (you may wonder!) I'm an interested party, 'cause, for example, I'd certainly convince my management to purchase some DPT controllers -- but if and _only_ if they would be supported by FreeBSD. I'll explain why. Paul is saying "why would FreeBSD want a DPT SCSI". I think that "why DPT would want to support FreeBSD" is a more sugnificant issue for DPT :-) I certainly agree with Paul's analysis, will only add a bit. # Market: # # Probably bigger than you might think. And even more bigger considering the fact that BSDi raised their prices (I asked recently -- some $6000 or so!) This means that FreeBSD will probably occupy a larger market share, being used for Usenet news and network file services, WWW servers, so on. (Suppose you need some 5-6 unices for an ISP site. 1-2 will be commercial OSes, and others, less critical ones? What for?) FreeBSD as an OS is very solid and stable today, it isn't of worse quality than BSDi. Conclusions: FreeBSD _is_ used for heavy-duty applications, and will be used even more. The only minor problem is a narrow range of high-end hardware which is supported. Real life example. Some person here wants to get a single but powerful and rock solid UNIX box, to be used as a small enterprise' level combined server. It should have a huge pack of SCSI disks attached. While there isn't a problem to get a nice CPU, motherboard and drives, the choice of SCSI host adapters isn't wide. NCRs are great for small installations, but they occasionally die after some 60-70 days of uptime (what do you want from a single-chip low-end card?). BusTeks are rare here and aren't famous too. What remains as the only choice? True, Adaptec 3940W, though DPT should be much better and people knows about them. Those who want a cheap desktop unix are going Linux. Those who want a production system, fast and reliable, go FreeBSD and they won't purchase SCO -- they'll get a high-end hardware for FreeBSD instead. # I have personally in the last 13 # weeks (the age of my on-line mailarchive) told 14 different people "No, # sorry, as nice as the DPTs look, we don't support them, sorry." and # I'm generally know considered a HW wizard of any importance. I had some three or five conversations on the same topic during last two month ("Oh, how great FreeBSD is. Will it work on GDT or DPT RAIDed PCI SCSI HBA?" -- "No, sorry" -- "What a pity... Ok, we'll purchase two Adaptecs instead for our office network server.") And remember that's not USA, but Eastern European country. # "Hey, Danny, what do you think about FOORBAR controllers ?" # "Don't know, never ran one" Or even: "Probably it's great, but who cares -- we can't use it just now when we need some solution. Not supported in _our_ software environment, point." Nice and powerful FOORBAR controllers are slowly, one by one, sold to occasional netware bigots. # "Hmm what do you use then ?" # "FROBOZZ. Never had a hitch" [...] # A lot of people use the stuff on the FreeBSD lists as guidelines when # they buy PCs for other uses. And FreeBSD is popular not in the home desktop applications, should I notice, but for servers, and by organisations, not individuals. It's a serious system. # Often I hear people argument something # along this line: "If FreeBSD can find HW problems where Windows 3.1 # see none, and I select HW that work well with FreeBSD, is should have # less trouble with my Windows." That's true btw -- FreeBSD install floppy _is_ used as a hardware testsuite by some of my friends, really. P.S. And I'd be happy to put some two or three high-end SCSI controllers into PCI server boxes at work (ISP). -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 18 07:08:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA02312 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 18 May 1996 07:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-161.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02251; Sat, 18 May 1996 07:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA11553; Fri, 17 May 1996 01:58:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199605162358.BAA11553@vector.jhs.no_domain> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.jhs.no_domain: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Smith cc: scsi@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Tandberg contacts anyone From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (later) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH version 1.6.5 95 12 11, PGP available In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 May 1996 23:15:50 +0930." <199605161345.XAA04792@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:58:01 +0200 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: Michael Smith > > Just had my trusty Tandberg TDC3660 die on me in the middle of a run with > a HARDWARE FAILURE, asc:55,0, field replaceable unit: 6. > > Anyone with contacts at Tandberg or references that might be able to give > me some idea where to look? A strip and rebuild doesn't show any obvious > signs of death, and as I said it was running along fine, and just stopped. > A friend's 60M drive `died' too 2 weeks ago, i connected it to my machine, & it was OK again no idea why, ask him ! his email is n1epo4tl@ibmmail.com he knows name of an ftp server he got new eprom images from, that'll be a start for you. He also has a TDC 3620/3640/3660 Ref Manual part no 411359 Publ no 5671 June 1988 Rev No 2 (I have too, but talk to him plse., as you've got mutual interests there). PS off the manual: Tandberg Data A/S Data Storage Division PO Box 9, Korvsoll N-0808 Oslo 8, Norway Tel +47.2.189090 Fax +47.2.189550 Telex 74606 tdata n Nope No Web quoted. PS previous old mail from you archived here: Tandberg are tdata.no, and my contact there was wimo@tdata.no. Dunno if thats right tho'. > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ > ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ > Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 18 09:54:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA09393 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 18 May 1996 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rogerswave.ca (mail.rogerswave.ca [198.231.117.195]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09387 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 09:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wong.rogerswave.ca (wong.rogerswave.ca [204.92.17.32]) by rogerswave.ca (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id NAA09123 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 13:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 12:38:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Wong To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: PCI chipset difference Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anybody know the difference between Intel PCI 430VX and 430HX ? Thanx Ken