From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 19 00:41:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA04487 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 00:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zaraza.bofh.org.il (zaraza.bofh.org.il [192.115.153.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA04476; Sun, 19 May 1996 00:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sgt@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zaraza.bofh.org.il (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA04831; Sun, 19 May 1996 10:42:33 +0200 Message-Id: <199605190842.KAA04831@zaraza.bofh.org.il> X-Authentication-Warning: zaraza.bofh.org.il: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Dual processor system Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 10:42:31 +0200 From: Sergei Barbarash Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I wonder if there is any support for dual processor systems in PC Unix clones? (FreeBSD, specifically). Thank you in advance, From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 19 04:32:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA18845 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 04:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA18822; Sun, 19 May 1996 04:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA00907; Sun, 19 May 1996 04:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 04:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605191132.EAA00907@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: salyzyn@inet.dpt.com CC: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <3059.832374334@critter.tfs.com> (message from Poul-Henning Kamp on Fri, 17 May 1996 23:05:34 +0000) Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes, I would be very interested. (In case you don't know, I'm the person who ported ccd from NetBSD... :) By the way, does DPT allow us to stripe across controllers? (I tried looking at www.dpt.com, but could get to none of the pages....) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 19 06:27:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA24448 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 06:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA24441; Sun, 19 May 1996 06:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA18981; Sun, 19 May 1996 23:09:31 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605191339.XAA18981@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Looking for help selecting tape device To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 23:09:30 +0930 (CST) Cc: richard@pegasus.com, michaelv@HeadCandy.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605172340.QAA00678@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at May 17, 96 04:40:34 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jonathan M. Bresler stands accused of saying: > > This is one of the most expensive `cheap drives' around. > > > > Computer Disk Service (805-499-6355) is selling Exabyte 8200s for $299. > > > > ah, $300, well had i know then what i know now > and all that. new? refurb? the anaconda is new. Almost certainly refurb. The 8200 is fine as long as you're _very_ kind and loving. If anything breaks, it's a throwaway. I don't consider it to be a very good buy these days, unless you're into picking them up at auctions for ~$50 each. > > If you don't like the Exabyte for some reason then check into the 4mm > > DAT drives. The tapes are a bit more expensive than the 8mm, but still > > less than a third the price of the QIC tapes. This is good advice. Don't reuse the DAT's too heavily though. > > The reason the QIC drives are so cheap is because no one wants them > > because the tapes are too expensive. The tapes are expensive because they're mechanically monstrous. This is a bit of a plus in that it makes them _very_ robust. > > Richard -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 19 07:08:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA27139 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rich.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (root@RICH.ISDN.BCM.TMC.EDU [128.249.250.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27134; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (root@richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu [128.249.250.37]) by rich.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA17237; Sun, 19 May 1996 09:08:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: (rich@localhost) by richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA04637; Sun, 19 May 1996 09:08:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 09:08:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605191408.JAA04637@richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu> From: Rich Murphey To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au CC: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, richard@pegasus.com, michaelv@HeadCandy.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <199605191339.XAA18981@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> (message from Michael Smith on Sun, 19 May 1996 23:09:30 +0930 (CST)) Subject: Re: Looking for help selecting tape device Reply-to: rich@lamprey.utmb.edu Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk |From: Michael Smith |Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 23:09:30 +0930 (CST) |Cc: richard@pegasus.com, michaelv@HeadCandy.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org | |Jonathan M. Bresler stands accused of saying: |> > This is one of the most expensive `cheap drives' around. |> > |> > Computer Disk Service (805-499-6355) is selling Exabyte 8200s for $299. |> > |> |> ah, $300, well had i know then what i know now |> and all that. new? refurb? the anaconda is new. | |Almost certainly refurb. The 8200 is fine as long as you're _very_ |kind and loving. If anything breaks, it's a throwaway. | |I don't consider it to be a very good buy these days, unless you're |into picking them up at auctions for ~$50 each. I've got a wangdat 3200 (4Gb w/compression) that can now be had for about $400 used. It started eating tapes after 1.5 years and the factory (Rexon) wanted $300 to fix it. That's pretty close to being throwaway too. I'm sure it will fail again in less than a year and I'm just not sure whether to go with an HP DAT drive next. HP only has a year warranty as far as I know. I'd probably get a HP C1533A from Rod if I had it to do over again, but I wish there were something that lasted longer. Rich From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 19 07:58:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA00577 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00563; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA19139; Mon, 20 May 1996 00:40:51 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605191510.AAA19139@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Looking for help selecting tape device To: rich@lamprey.utmb.edu Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 00:40:51 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, richard@pegasus.com, michaelv@HeadCandy.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605191408.JAA04637@richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu> from "Rich Murphey" at May 19, 96 09:08:16 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rich Murphey stands accused of saying: > |Almost certainly refurb. The 8200 is fine as long as you're _very_ > |kind and loving. If anything breaks, it's a throwaway. > | > |I don't consider it to be a very good buy these days, unless you're > |into picking them up at auctions for ~$50 each. > > I've got a wangdat 3200 (4Gb w/compression) that can > now be had for about $400 used. It started eating > tapes after 1.5 years and the factory (Rexon) wanted > $300 to fix it. That's pretty close to being throwaway > too. Exabyte have a fixed-price repair policy here. The fixed price for the EXB-8200 is AUD$800. Third-part repairers aren't significantly cheaper - I have a dead 'un here that required a new CD board. AUD$700. I swapped it for one out of an auction unit with stuffed mechanicals, but that's no way to maintain a vital unit. > I'm sure it will fail again in less than a year and I'm > just not sure whether to go with an HP DAT drive next. > HP only has a year warranty as far as I know. I'd > probably get a HP C1533A from Rod if I had it to do > over again, but I wish there were something that lasted > longer. Rich If you want a long-term backup unit, look at a CD-R or a MOD. *laugh*. We're having a good run (so far at any rate) with the Sony DAT units. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 19 12:40:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA08426 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 12:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk (exim@heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.0.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08421 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 12:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.33.87] (dml25) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 0.43 #1) id E0uLELU-0005dN-00; Sun, 19 May 1996 20:40:52 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4+cl+patch 10/10/95 To: hardware@freebsd.org cc: David.Leask@cl.cam.ac.uk Subject: Cx486 DX2-80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 20:40:51 +0100 From: David Leask Message-Id: Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, Just a quick query with regards to FreeBSD & Cyrix CPUs. I am looking at buying a (second-hand) PC with a Cx486 DX2-80 CPU. When I checked through the archives I found a post from Jordan saying: >> 4) Does FreeBSD support Cyrix processors? > > Yes, but I'd hardly recommend one! This was from early 1995. Is this advice still valid? (and, roughly speaking, why?) Should I keep looking? Cheers, -David Leask. -- Computer Laboratory, Cambridge University phone: +44 1223 334477 New Museums Site, Pembroke Street fax: +44 1223 334678 Cambridge CB2 3QG, UK email: david.leask@cl.cam.ac.uk From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 19 14:11:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA23523 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 14:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23297 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 14:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA04808; Sun, 19 May 1996 14:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605192105.OAA04808@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: David Leask cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cx486 DX2-80 In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 19 May 96 20:40:51 +0100. Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:04:35 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Just a quick query with regards to FreeBSD & Cyrix CPUs. >I am looking at buying a (second-hand) PC with a Cx486 DX2-80 CPU. >When I checked through the archives I found a post from Jordan >saying: >>> 4) Does FreeBSD support Cyrix processors? >> Yes, but I'd hardly recommend one! >This was from early 1995. >Is this advice still valid? (and, roughly speaking, why?) >Should I keep looking? I'm sure that comment was with regards to 486DLCs. If so, it does not apply to true 486DX chips from Cyrix (or anyone else). From all the reports I've heard, if it's a true 486DX, you shouldn't have problems. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 19 14:26:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA24152 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 14:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from io.org (io.org [198.133.36.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24132; Sun, 19 May 1996 14:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA25218; Sun, 19 May 1996 17:26:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 17:26:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-SCSI-L cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? In-Reply-To: <199605180336.GAA12140@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I received a reply from Mark Salyzyn the other day, and it looks like the chances of getting a FreeBSD driver are quite good. They already have one for BSD/OS, and Mark feels it would be trivial to port it to FreeBSD. Among the products they offer is a RAID controller that can stripe 42 drives together into a single SCSI target ID... :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 19 15:49:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA03625 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars.dnai.com (mars.dnai.com [140.174.162.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03587; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dror@localhost) by mars.dnai.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA28127; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:46:47 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:46:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Dror Matalon To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-SCSI-L , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 May 1996, Brian Tao wrote: > I received a reply from Mark Salyzyn the other day, and it looks > like the chances of getting a FreeBSD driver are quite good. They > already have one for BSD/OS, and Mark feels it would be trivial to > port it to FreeBSD. Among the products they offer is a RAID > controller that can stripe 42 drives together into a single SCSI > target ID... :) What's the price? We'd probably buy one right away. Dror Dror Matalon Voice: 510 649-6110 Direct Network Access Fax: 510 649-7130 2039 Shattuck Avenue Modem: 510 649-6116 Berkeley, CA 94704 Email: dror@dnai.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 19 16:20:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA07183 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from io.org (io.org [198.133.36.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07178; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA04874; Sun, 19 May 1996 19:20:11 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 19:19:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Dror Matalon cc: FREEBSD-SCSI-L , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 May 1996, Dror Matalon wrote: > > > port it to FreeBSD. Among the products they offer is a RAID > > controller that can stripe 42 drives together into a single SCSI > > target ID... :) > > What's the price? We'd probably buy one right away. I think that controller (with cache and RAID capabilities) lists for around $1200 US. I imagine street price will fall in the $1000 area. They have info on the Web site (http://www.dpt.com/). Be sure to let Mark Salyzyn (salyzyn@dpt.com) know of your commitment to buy if drivers are available. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 19 18:33:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA13635 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13630 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20368; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:16:02 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605200146.LAA20368@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Cx486 DX2-80 To: David.Leask@cl.cam.ac.uk (David Leask) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:16:01 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, David.Leask@cl.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: from "David Leask" at May 19, 96 08:40:51 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Leask stands accused of saying: > > I am looking at buying a (second-hand) PC with a Cx486 DX2-80 CPU. > When I checked through the archives I found a post from Jordan > saying: > > >> 4) Does FreeBSD support Cyrix processors? > > > > Yes, but I'd hardly recommend one! > > This was from early 1995. > > Is this advice still valid? (and, roughly speaking, why?) > Should I keep looking? Older Cyrix CPUs were buggy and had undersize on-chip caches. The DX2/80 IIRC was not one of these. And upgrading the CPU in such a system is a relatively cheap exercise. > -David Leask. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 19 18:38:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA14148 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14123; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20392; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:20:56 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605200150.LAA20392@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:20:55 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 19, 96 05:26:07 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao stands accused of saying: > > I received a reply from Mark Salyzyn the other day, and it looks > like the chances of getting a FreeBSD driver are quite good. They > already have one for BSD/OS, and Mark feels it would be trivial to > port it to FreeBSD. Among the products they offer is a RAID > controller that can stripe 42 drives together into a single SCSI > target ID... :) This would be Very Good 8). If they're really nice to us, they might even win a 'preferred supplier' gong 8) Seriously, if their stuff is any good I can see a lot of serious customers jumping at the opportunity. > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 19 19:13:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA16007 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 19:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from io.org (io.org [198.133.36.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA15992; Sun, 19 May 1996 19:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zap.io.org (taob@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA19715; Sun, 19 May 1996 22:12:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 22:12:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Michael Smith cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? In-Reply-To: <199605200150.LAA20392@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 May 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > > Seriously, if their stuff is any good I can see a lot of serious > customers jumping at the opportunity. The hardware definitely looks good on paper, and the price point starts around the level of the current crop of Adaptecs. As I told Mark at DPT, FreeBSD already has the software muscle to be the top contender as an NFS server, now it needs some equally potent hardware to back it up. 42 of those new 23GB Seagate drives per controller, four controllers per machine == 3TB of *usable* filesystem space (hi, Satoshi!). :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 20 07:31:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA21617 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21603 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id JAA31556; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:28:43 -0500 Received: from novell(192.2.2.201) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma031552; Mon May 20 10:28:22 1996 Received: from NOVELL/SpoolDir by novell.persprog.com (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 20 May 96 10:24:41 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by NOVELL (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 20 May 96 10:24:18 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc. To: Wong , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:24:09 EST Subject: Re: PCI chipset difference Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-ID: <3D5FFC5F61@novell.persprog.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anybody know the difference between Intel PCI 430VX and 430HX ? > > Thanx > > Ken > The HX is the Triton 2 chipset. I don't know what the VX is. ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 20 08:17:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA24275 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24269; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA19424; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:15:18 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199605201515.KAA19424@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:15:18 -0500 (CDT) Cc: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605170151.PAA20303@pegasus.com> from "Richard Foulk" at May 16, 96 03:51:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > } Only if you have memory that is failing or you need extreamly reliable > } operation (good memory should have a single bit error rate of something > } like 1 in 10 years). > > This is all subject to personal judgement. > > How a 15% performance hit compares with the possibility of lost or bad > data should not be trivialized. One error in ten years may not seem > like much, but it could still cost lots of time and money. And it's > just as likely to happen today as in ten years. Agreed, however, it's much more likely that some other component (think: disks, cpu fans, etc) will exhibit errors. 15% is a fairly hefty price to pay for a relatively small return. On a well built RAID system that needs the extra reliability, perhaps it is warranted. It is probably _not_ warranted on your average run of the mill server class system to lose 15% just to gain one correction every ten years rather than one crash every ten years, unless you have purposely over-spec'd the machine to account for the 15% loss. Obviously it is a matter of how paranoid (or silly?) you want to be.. I am perfectly confident that my disks will puke before my RAM. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 20 09:03:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA27236 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.transport.com (root@transport.com [204.119.17.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27231 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Default ([204.245.248.1]) by mail.transport.com (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA12601 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:03:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:03:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199605201603.JAA12601@mail.transport.com> X-Sender: connect@transport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Pete Chiboucas Subject: Help with unsubscribe Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have mailed to Majordomo and attempted to unsubscribe with no success. Any help out there? thanks ****************************************************** Strength is Gentle, Wisdom Quiet, Passion Overwhelming Net Connection/Pete Chiboucas www.webnw.com 8888 SW Cashmur Ln pete@webnw.com Portland Or 97225 503 203 1671 From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 20 10:48:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA03501 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03496; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilligan.eng.umd.edu (gilligan.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.205]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11465; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by gilligan.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA10339; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:48:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@gilligan.eng.umd.edu To: majordomo@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help with unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <199605201603.JAA12601@mail.transport.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk who FreeBSD-hardware end On Mon, 20 May 1996, Pete Chiboucas wrote: > I have mailed to Majordomo and attempted to unsubscribe with no success. Any > help out there? > > thanks > ****************************************************** > Strength is Gentle, Wisdom Quiet, Passion Overwhelming > > Net Connection/Pete Chiboucas www.webnw.com > 8888 SW Cashmur Ln pete@webnw.com > Portland Or 97225 503 203 1671 > > Pete Chiboucas ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 20 10:58:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04118 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04101; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6.UU.NET (relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id KAA02272; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inet.dpt.com by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: inet.DPT.COM [198.242.63.16]) id QQaqnv02855; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by inet.dpt.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA832625682; Mon, 20 May 96 13:53:49 EST Date: Mon, 20 May 96 13:53:49 EST From: "Salyzyn" Message-Id: <9604208326.AA832625682@inet.dpt.com> To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re[2]: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Author: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) at inet Date: 1996/5/19 7:31 AM Yes, I would be very interested. (In case you don't know, I'm the person who ported ccd from NetBSD... :) Well, for the list, I will release the BSDi driver. It has some superfluous fluff associated with Bus Reset that should be removed (The SCSI system is handed back individual error responses for each outstanding request, no need for the driver to resend the requests). The BSDi driver started out under FreeBSD, but just before completion it was transfered over and ported to the BSDi system and TTD (Tested To Death :-). The SCSI system is different, so it has diverged somewhat. We have one volunteer that is willing to port the code over, he conveniently already has some of our controllers to work with. Anyone interested in writing a NetBSD port would be appreciated. I will be responsible for dealing with any issues associated with the driver from DPT's standpoint, and would like anyone working on this driver to keep me up to date. I will no doubt be responsible for support ... By the way, does DPT allow us to stripe across controllers? (I tried looking at www.dpt.com, but could get to none of the pages....) When we Stripe across controllers, it is done from within the driver. It would be far better for the SCSI system writers to place striping across controllers within that layer (as is done under Linux). Satoshi I am not on any of the freebsd mailing lists, it is unfortunate that I am burdened with cc:Mail here and have no hope of keeping up with the list. However, I am very willing to answer any questions associated with the porting efforts for the BSDi driver! Sincerely Yours -- Mark Salyzyn Senior Software Engineer Distributed Processing Technology. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 20 12:28:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA10859 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [206.224.65.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10824; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA15012; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:28:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199605201928.OAA15012@luke.pmr.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? To: salyzyn@inet.dpt.com (Salyzyn) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 14:28:29 -0500 (CDT) Cc: asami@cs.berkeley.edu, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9604208326.AA832625682@inet.dpt.com> from Salyzyn at "May 20, 96 01:53:49 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Salyzyn wrote: > Author: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) at inet > Date: 1996/5/19 7:31 AM > > Yes, I would be very interested. (In case you don't know, I'm the > person who ported ccd from NetBSD... :) > > Well, for the list, I will release the BSDi driver. It has > some superfluous fluff associated with Bus Reset that should > be removed (The SCSI system is handed back individual error > responses for each outstanding request, no need for the > driver to resend the requests). The BSDi driver started out > under FreeBSD, but just before completion it was transfered > over and ported to the BSDi system and TTD (Tested To Death > :-). The SCSI system is different, so it has diverged > somewhat. > > We have one volunteer that is willing to port the code over, > he conveniently already has some of our controllers to work > with. Anyone interested in writing a NetBSD port would be > appreciated. I am the volunteer that Mark eludes to. I have been working with the DPT controllers since last August (developing a device driver for another UNIX-like OS) and would be happy to work on this project. Mark has sent me the current BSDi driver source and I plan to begin with that. I welcome any help or suggestions. -- Bob Willcox bob@luke.pmr.com Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 20 13:17:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA13232 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.vicon.net [206.64.130.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13224 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vicon.net by phoenix (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA27930; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:11:23 -0400 Message-ID: <31A0FD5F.4993@vicon.net> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:16:47 -0700 From: lgrexams Organization: lgrexams X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pete Chiboucas CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Help with unsubscribe References: <199605201603.JAA12601@mail.transport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Pete Chiboucas wrote: > > I have mailed to Majordomo and attempted to unsubscribe with no success. Any > help out there? > > thanks Try this (From Majordomo help (send a message to majordomo@freebsd.org with help on a line by itself.)) unsubscribe [
] In your case it would be: unsubscribe freebsd-hardware connect@transport.com I wish you luck! -- Todd Sherman LGR Corp. lgrexams@vicon.net MIS Specialist LGR Exams "The views contained herein are my own. Not LGR's." From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 20 13:19:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA13387 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13365; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA14641; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:18:49 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA02111 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Mon, 20 May 1996 22:18:10 +0200 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA32276 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Mon, 20 May 1996 21:31:06 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA01678; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:50:17 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199605201850.UAA01678@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:50:17 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 19, 96 10:12:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >_ > > On Mon, 20 May 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > > > > Seriously, if their stuff is any good I can see a lot of serious > > customers jumping at the opportunity. > > The hardware definitely looks good on paper, and the price point > starts around the level of the current crop of Adaptecs. As I told > Mark at DPT, FreeBSD already has the software muscle to be the top > contender as an NFS server, now it needs some equally potent hardware > to back it up. 42 of those new 23GB Seagate drives per controller, > four controllers per machine == 3TB of *usable* filesystem space (hi, > Satoshi!). :) > -- > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Hmm. 3Tb? Then somebody should go and write a HSM application to control a tape robot.. Could do some testing on our 260+ cartridge DLT library (soon to be able to hold 260+ * 40Gb ;-) (hi, Brian :) Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 20 14:49:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA21024 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21005; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA28562; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:43:33 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605202143.OAA28562@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 14:43:33 -0700 (MST) Cc: taob@io.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605201850.UAA01678@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at May 20, 96 08:50:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hmm. 3Tb? Then somebody should go and write a HSM application to control > a tape robot.. One of the guys I work with here worked on the Lachman HSM code (tape robots, the whole 9 yards). I'm afraid you probably couldn't pay him enough to do it again. 8-). > Could do some testing on our 260+ cartridge DLT library (soon to be > able to hold 260+ * 40Gb ;-) Looks like you're the guy, since you have the hardware to test with. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 20 16:29:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA28320 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28314 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA13931; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:28:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:28:33 -0700 From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199605202328.QAA13931@kithrup.com> To: terry@lambert.org Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? Newsgroups: kithrup.freebsd.hardware In-Reply-To: <199605202143.OAA28562.kithrup.freebsd.hardware@phaeton.artisoft.com> References: <199605201850.UAA01678@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at May 20, 96 08:50:17 pm Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Could do some testing on our 260+ cartridge DLT library (soon to be >> able to hold 260+ * 40Gb ;-) >Looks like you're the guy, since you have the hardware to test with. 8-). Heck... if you can get that working, there's *another* neat thing we can probably do: instead of compressing LRU files, move them off to tape. There are still some extra bits flags field that can be used for that. (Basicly, when you have a daemon that moves files off of disk and onto tape when space gets low, and a database to say where a specific device/inode is. Then, have the tapes loaded automatically.) Wouldn't *that* be fun! ;) From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 20 17:07:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA00880 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00875 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA29125; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:03:01 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605210003.RAA29125@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? To: sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:03:01 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605202328.QAA13931@kithrup.com> from "Sean Eric Fagan" at May 20, 96 04:28:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> Could do some testing on our 260+ cartridge DLT library (soon to be > >> able to hold 260+ * 40Gb ;-) > >Looks like you're the guy, since you have the hardware to test with. 8-). > > Heck... if you can get that working, there's *another* neat thing we can > probably do: instead of compressing LRU files, move them off to tape. > There are still some extra bits flags field that can be used for that. > (Basicly, when you have a daemon that moves files off of disk and onto tape > when space gets low, and a database to say where a specific device/inode is. > Then, have the tapes loaded automatically.) > > Wouldn't *that* be fun! ;) Er... that's what an HSM does. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 20 18:30:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA09373 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m4.stox.pr.mcs.net (stox.pr.mcs.net [204.137.243.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09351; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m4.stox.pr.mcs.net (localhost.stox.pr.mcs.net [127.0.0.1]) by m4.stox.pr.mcs.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA01657; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:30:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605210130.UAA01657@m4.stox.pr.mcs.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.6 3/24/96 To: Wilko Bulte cc: taob@io.org (Brian Tao), msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: HSM for FreeBSD?, was Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 20:50:17 +0200." <199605201850.UAA01678@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:30:02 -0500 From: "Kenneth P. Stox" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In a seizure of sanity, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Hmm. 3Tb? Then somebody should go and write a HSM application to control > a tape robot.. > > Could do some testing on our 260+ cartridge DLT library (soon to be > able to hold 260+ * 40Gb ;-) Funny you should mention this. I recently picked up an Exabyte 10i robot, and have been pondering this very point. Is there anyone else in the FreeBSD community who has any interest in HSM systems ? -- Ken Stox ICBMnet: 41:48:8N 88:3:26W Imaginary Landscape, LLC. email: stox@mcs.net "Hand Woven Web Sites" MaBellNet: (708) 969-8109 From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 20 19:11:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA11702 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from io.org (io.org [198.133.36.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA11685; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA26916; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:10:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:09:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: "Kenneth P. Stox" cc: Wilko Bulte , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HSM for FreeBSD?, was Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? In-Reply-To: <199605210130.UAA01657@m4.stox.pr.mcs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 May 1996, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > Funny you should mention this. I recently picked up an Exabyte 10i > robot, and have been pondering this very point. Is there anyone else > in the FreeBSD community who has any interest in HSM systems ? It certainly is outside the realm of FreeBSD's traditional ISP and home markets (funny to talk about "traditional" on such a young BSD), but I would imagine research and industrial environments would benefit from such a beast. How is our support for tape libraries, tape robots, CD jukeboxes? Joerg's recent work with the CD-ROM burner would no doubt figure prominently in an HSM application. :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 02:06:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA11005 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 02:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10998; Tue, 21 May 1996 02:06:35 -0700 (PDT) From: af@biomath.jussieu.fr Received: from mekong.biomath.jussieu.fr (mekong.biomath.jussieu.fr [134.157.72.87]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.7.5/jtpda-5.2) with SMTP id LAA18055 ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:28 +0200 (METDST) Received: from garfield.biomath.jussieu.fr (garfield) by mekong.biomath.jussieu.fr (5.67b/jn930126+af960507(mailhost)) at Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:25 +0100 Received: from (af@localhost) by garfield.biomath.jussieu.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.2) id LAA17953 ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199605211006.LAA17953@garfield.biomath.jussieu.fr> Subject: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 To: questions@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:24 +0100 (GMT-1) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I've installed FreeBSD Release 2.1 on the new 133Mhz Pentium (Intel Endeavour m/b, Triton chipset) that will replace my old Sparc II which needs retirement. It has 64Mb of main (70ns) memory, 512Kb cache, a 2Gb IDE boot disk, an Adaptec 2940 PCI SCSI adapter which connects a DEC RZ24 200Mb disk only for now. I chose FreeBSD after testing Linux, because of its clear superiority in networking, especially NFS. And then... the dreaded "cc1 got signal 11" symptom :-( It happens only during large compiles (gcc 2.7.2 typically) when sources are on the SCSI disk *or* during kernel compiles (on the IDE disk) while there are I/O on the SCSI bus. I've clocked down the motherboard (to 66Mhz I guess, the AMIBIOS setup doesn't say): same. I've completely invalidated the secondary cache: same. I've swapped the AHA 2940 controller: same. Invalidating PCI burst and playing with PCI latency clock counts didn't change anything either. The hardware vendor claims that the machine has run a three-day burn-in cycle with no problems. When I mentioned that I had read articles saying that 60ns memory was required, he replied that 70ns memory is OK on that kind of motherboard because the BIOS automatically sets wait cycles (???) If it were a memory access time problem, though, I would have expected the downclocking to make it disappear. So what ? my gut feeling is that the DMA cycles from the AHA2940 somehow end up corrupting memory... it's most probably a motherboard problem. Is there any way to configure the AHA2940 driver in PIO mode only ? From checking the sources, I'm afraid there isn't... Or any way to "throttle down" the DMA ? (if that means anything) Any hints please ? the vendor seems a bit reluctant to swapping the motherboard, and even more reluctant to changing memory SIMMs (he says 60ns memory is virtually impossible to find nowadays). Thanks in advance, _Alain_ Excerpts from /var/log/messages: =============================== May 20 13:05:02 garfield /kernel: FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #0: Fri May 3 18:20:59 MET DST 1996 May 20 13:05:03 garfield /kernel: root@garfield.biomath.jussieu.fr:/usr/src/ sys/compile/GARFIELD May 20 13:05:03 garfield /kernel: CPU: 133-MHz Pentium 735\90 or 815\100 (Pentiu m-class CPU) May 20 13:05:03 garfield /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52b Steppin g=11 May 20 13:05:03 garfield /kernel: Features=0x1bf May 20 13:05:03 garfield /kernel: real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) May 20 13:05:03 garfield /kernel: avail memory = 63057920 (61580K bytes) [...] May 20 13:05:04 garfield /kernel: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa May 20 13:05:04 garfield /kernel: wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: wd0: 1916MB (3924144 sectors), 3893 cyls, 16 h eads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: 1 3C5x9 board(s) on ISA found at 0x300 May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: ep0 at 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: ep0: aui/bnc/utp[*AUI*] address 00:a0:24:7a:5a :e8 irq 10 [...] May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: sb0: May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: sbxvi0 at 0x0 drq 5 on isa May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: sbxvo0: May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: sbmidi0 at 0x330 on isa May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: opl0 at 0x388 on isa May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: opl0: May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: Probing for devices on the PCI bus: May 20 13:05:06 garfield /kernel: chip0 rev 1 on pci0:0 May 20 13:05:06 garfield /kernel: chip1 rev 2 on pci0:7 May 20 13:05:06 garfield /kernel: ahc0 rev 0 in t a irq 9 on pci0:14 May 20 13:05:06 garfield /kernel: ahc0: 2940 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, aic7870, 16 SCBs May 20 13:05:06 garfield /kernel: ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle May 20 13:05:06 garfield /kernel: (ahc0:0:0): "DEC RZ24 (C) DEC 4041" type 0 fixed SCSI 1 May 20 13:05:07 garfield /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 200MB (409792 512 byte sectors) -- Alain FAUCONNET Ingenieur systeme - System Manager AP-HP/SIM Public Health 91 bld de l'Hopital 75013 PARIS FRANCE Medical Computing Research Labs Mail: af@biomath.jussieu.fr Tel: (+33) 1-40-77-96-19 Fax: (+33) 1-45-86-80-68 I've RTFMed. It says: "Refer to your system administrator" But... I *am* the system administrator :-] From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 02:30:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA11874 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 02:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beeblebrox.cc.jyu.fi (beeblebrox.cc.jyu.fi [130.234.41.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA11852; Tue, 21 May 1996 02:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kallio@localhost) by beeblebrox.cc.jyu.fi (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02945; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:30:10 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:30:10 +0300 (EET DST) From: Seppo Kallio To: af@biomath.jussieu.fr cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 In-Reply-To: <199605211006.LAA17953@garfield.biomath.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have P120, MicroStar TR-2. I got same cc1 signal 11 when compiling kernel with new guspnp driver. With kernel 2.1 or 2.2-SNAP 960501 and old sound drivers I did not get that error. I have 2940 + 2G IBM Disk. Seppo On Tue, 21 May 1996 af@biomath.jussieu.fr wrote: > Hello, > > I've installed FreeBSD Release 2.1 on the new 133Mhz Pentium (Intel > Endeavour m/b, Triton chipset) that will replace my old Sparc II which > needs retirement. It has 64Mb of main (70ns) memory, 512Kb cache, a > 2Gb IDE boot disk, an Adaptec 2940 PCI SCSI adapter which connects a > DEC RZ24 200Mb disk only for now. > > I chose FreeBSD after testing Linux, because of its clear superiority > in networking, especially NFS. > > And then... the dreaded "cc1 got signal 11" symptom :-( > From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 03:30:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA15032 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.tioga.com (root@falcon.tioga.com [205.146.65.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA15026 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tbalfe@localhost) by falcon.tioga.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id GAA13033; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:31:18 GMT Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 06:31:18 +0000 () From: Thomas J Balfe To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: hardware snafu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk These two don't like to be at the same place at the same time with 2.1R: - Biostar MB-8433UUD - Kingston KNE2021LC ======================================================================== Thomas J Balfe tbalfe@tioga.com President http://www.tioga.com/ Tioga Communications, Inc 814-867-4770 ======================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 04:23:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA18155 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 04:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA18135 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 04:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uLotB-000QYRC; Tue, 21 May 96 12:42 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA24071; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:39:47 +0200 Message-Id: <199605211039.MAA24071@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: Looking for help selecting tape device To: rich@lamprey.utmb.edu Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:39:47 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605191408.JAA04637@richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu> from "Rich Murphey" at May 19, 96 09:08:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rich Murphey writes: > > |From: Michael Smith > |Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 23:09:30 +0930 (CST) > |Cc: richard@pegasus.com, michaelv@HeadCandy.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org > | > |Jonathan M. Bresler stands accused of saying: > |> > This is one of the most expensive `cheap drives' around. > |> > > |> > Computer Disk Service (805-499-6355) is selling Exabyte 8200s for $299. > |> > > |> > |> ah, $300, well had i know then what i know now > |> and all that. new? refurb? the anaconda is new. > | > |Almost certainly refurb. The 8200 is fine as long as you're _very_ > |kind and loving. If anything breaks, it's a throwaway. > | > |I don't consider it to be a very good buy these days, unless you're > |into picking them up at auctions for ~$50 each. > > I've got a wangdat 3200 (4Gb w/compression) that can > now be had for about $400 used. It started eating > tapes after 1.5 years and the factory (Rexon) wanted > $300 to fix it. That's pretty close to being throwaway > too. > > I'm sure it will fail again in less than a year and I'm > just not sure whether to go with an HP DAT drive next. > HP only has a year warranty as far as I know. Don't worry, that's enough. I bought one two years ago, and I've replaced it three times. When checking the warranty, they just look at the date of manufacture. > I'd probably get a HP C1533A from Rod if I had it to do over again, > but I wish there were something that lasted longer. Exactly. I wish I understood why these things are so unreliable. Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 05:46:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA22288 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 05:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.id.net (mail.id.net [199.125.1.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA22260; Tue, 21 May 1996 05:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.id.net (root@server.id.net [199.125.1.10]) by mail.id.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02241; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:46:17 GMT From: Robert Shady Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA02561; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199605211246.IAA02561@server.id.net> Subject: Re: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 To: kallio@beeblebrox.cc.jyu.fi (Seppo Kallio) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: af@biomath.jussieu.fr, questions@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Seppo Kallio" at May 21, 96 12:30:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have P120, MicroStar TR-2. I got same cc1 signal 11 when compiling > kernel with new guspnp driver. With kernel 2.1 or 2.2-SNAP 960501 and old > sound drivers I did not get that error. Most of the time I've run into this error, it has been a memory problem. Make sure all of your simms are the same speed (Ie: All 60's, or all 70's) and make sure they are all from the same manufacturer. Believe it or not, some simms don't work well with each-other between manufacturers... -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 08:56:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA04643 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA04626; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA12274; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:55:55 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605211555.IAA12274@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 To: af@biomath.jussieu.fr Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605211006.LAA17953@garfield.biomath.jussieu.fr> from "af@biomath.jussieu.fr" at "May 21, 96 11:06:24 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, > > I've installed FreeBSD Release 2.1 on the new 133Mhz Pentium (Intel ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Endeavour m/b, Triton chipset) that will replace my old Sparc II which ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > needs retirement. It has 64Mb of main (70ns) memory, 512Kb cache, a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > 2Gb IDE boot disk, an Adaptec 2940 PCI SCSI adapter which connects a > DEC RZ24 200Mb disk only for now. ... > And then... the dreaded "cc1 got signal 11" symptom :-( > > I've clocked down the motherboard (to 66Mhz I guess, the AMIBIOS setup > doesn't say): same. I've completely invalidated the secondary cache: Given the above underlined items, and the fact that your dmesg below showed a CPU speed of 133 MHz, I somehow doubt that anything you did in actually clocked it down to 66Mhz. Is what you want to to do is set the external clock speed to 60Mhz, thus slowing the system down to a 120Mhz Pentium. When the system boots it should report: CPU: 120-MHz Pentium 735\90 or 815\100 (Pentium-class CPU) Then see if you still have problems with signal 11's. If you don't, two likely causes are your SIMM's are two slow and the vendor is full of crap about the bios autodetecting memory speed, or you may have simms that are in violation of the 24 chip count imposed by almost all Triton chipset motherboards. ... > The hardware vendor claims that the machine has run a > three-day burn-in cycle with no problems. Yea, right, running ``DOS/Windows'' checkit or some other joke of a test program. > When I mentioned that I had > read articles saying that 60ns memory was required, he replied that > 70ns memory is OK on that kind of motherboard because the BIOS > automatically sets wait cycles (???) If it were a memory access time > problem, though, I would have expected the downclocking to make it > disappear. Did your system report itself under FreeBSD as a 120Mhz CPU? If not you failed in down clocking the system. > Any hints please ? the vendor seems a bit reluctant to swapping the > motherboard, and even more reluctant to changing memory SIMMs (he says > 60ns memory is virtually impossible to find nowadays). He is lying, and infact the price difference between 60 and 70nS memory is about $1.00/MB of memory. He just doesn't want to deal with it :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 10:12:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA10990 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10948; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA15934; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605211712.KAA15934@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: af@biomath.jussieu.fr cc: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 21 May 96 08:55:54 -0700. <199605211555.IAA12274@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:11:01 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> When I mentioned that I had >> read articles saying that 60ns memory was required, he replied that >> 70ns memory is OK on that kind of motherboard because the BIOS >> automatically sets wait cycles (???) If it were a memory access time >> problem, though, I would have expected the downclocking to make it >> disappear. My motherboard (ASUS) _specifically_ says you need to use 60ns memory if you're going to run the memory bus at 66MHz (which is what you're doing). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 10:56:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA13790 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xenon.chromatic.com (xenon.chromatic.com [199.5.224.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13785; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ohio.chromatic.com (ohio.chromatic.com [199.5.224.98]) by xenon.chromatic.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14690; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hua@localhost) by ohio.chromatic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA00279; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:56:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:56:28 -0700 From: Ernest Hua Message-Id: <199605211756.KAA00279@ohio.chromatic.com> To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 Cc: hua@XENON.chromatic.com Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have many Endeavours and Endeavour-derived motherboards. We have suffered many bad cache problems, especially the 512K ones. If you are working at a company with a cache memory tester, USE IT!!! It will save you countless hours of frustration. We have had very high failure rates for caches shipped with Endeavours (but I doubt it is the fault of the motherboard). In fact, use those DRAM testers as well! Ern From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 11:58:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA18196 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arthur.cs.purdue.edu (root@arthur.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18190 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from galt.cs.purdue.edu (root@galt.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.2.39]) by arthur.cs.purdue.edu (8.7.3/PURDUE_CS-1.4) with ESMTP id NAA21585 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kat@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by galt.cs.purdue.edu (8.7.4/PURDUE_CS-1.4) with SMTP id NAA27524 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:58:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199605211858.NAA27524@galt.cs.purdue.edu> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD on laptop platforms Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:58:37 -0500 From: kat@cs.purdue.edu (Kathryn Trinkle) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Does anyone have any experience with FreeBSD on the following laptops and their peripherals including CD-ROM, internal or PC Card modem, sound, and internal and external video? In particular, does any feature not work under FreeBSD? Thank you in advance for your help. Compaq LTE 5280, Model 1350 Compaq LTE 5300, Model 1350 Dell Latitude Xpi P133ST HP OmniBook 5000 CTS HP OmniBook 5500 CTS IBM ThinkPad 760E IBM ThinkPad 760ED Kathy -- Kathryn Trinkle kat@cs.purdue.edu Purdue University, Department of Computer Sciences West Lafayette, IN 47907-1398 317-496-2217 From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 12:15:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20068 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20042; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA18535; Tue, 21 May 1996 21:14:45 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA25762 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 21 May 1996 21:14:08 +0200 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA08953 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 21 May 1996 21:08:31 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA00729; Tue, 21 May 1996 20:09:47 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199605211809.UAA00729@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: HSM for FreeBSD?, was Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? To: ken@stox.pr.mcs.net (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 20:09:47 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: taob@io.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605210130.UAA01657@m4.stox.pr.mcs.net> from "Kenneth P. Stox" at May 20, 96 08:30:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In a seizure of sanity, Wilko Bulte wrote: ^ ^----- exactly ;-) > > Hmm. 3Tb? Then somebody should go and write a HSM application to control > > a tape robot.. > > > > Could do some testing on our 260+ cartridge DLT library (soon to be > > able to hold 260+ * 40Gb ;-) > > Funny you should mention this. I recently picked up an Exabyte 10i robot, and > have been pondering this very point. Is there anyone else in the FreeBSD > community who has any interest in HSM systems ? > Ken Stox ICBMnet: 41:48:8N 88:3:26W Back to the 3Tb: Today I built a stripe set of 7*4.3Gb. I have this nice little raidbox sitting in my lab at work and wanted to give it a try with a big filesystem. So, I hooked it up to a spare 486/33 with a Adaptec 1740. Used 2.1R No luck there, it looks like the ahb driver does not 'see' it on boot. Second attempt, hooked it up to a Adaptec 1542B that also serves the boot disk. Found it! OK, disklabel and newfs. 1 hour and 20 minutes later I had this 28+ Gb filesystem... Only problem sofar: 'df' reports a negative 'avail' number. Percentage is also -0% (noi typo). I'll try to find out why this happens. Any known problems with disks this big? When it comes to big 'disks' I can currently make them up to 14*4.3Gbyte in size... (Need to steal most of the 4.3Gb disks from my colleagues but what the h*k) Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 12:15:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20139 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20102; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA18537; Tue, 21 May 1996 21:14:56 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA25789 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 21 May 1996 21:14:25 +0200 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA08955 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 21 May 1996 21:08:34 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA00768; Tue, 21 May 1996 20:11:45 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199605211811.UAA00768@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 20:11:45 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: taob@io.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605202143.OAA28562@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at May 20, 96 02:43:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > One of the guys I work with here worked on the Lachman HSM code > (tape robots, the whole 9 yards). > > I'm afraid you probably couldn't pay him enough to do it again. 8-). > > > Could do some testing on our 260+ cartridge DLT library (soon to be > > able to hold 260+ * 40Gb ;-) > > Looks like you're the guy, since you have the hardware to test with. 8-). OHHHH NOOOOO.. > > Terry Lambert Wilko (who is always misunderstood when joking ;-) _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 13:35:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA27277 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27267 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id PAA24820; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:25:45 -0500 Received: from novell(192.2.2.201) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id smab24809; Tue May 21 16:25:21 1996 Received: from NOVELL/SpoolDir by novell.persprog.com (Mercury 1.12); Tue, 21 May 96 16:21:40 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by NOVELL (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 20 May 96 13:27:22 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc. To: Joe Greco Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:27:21 EST Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? CC: hardware@freebsd.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-ID: <1E75A1F6F@novell.persprog.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: Joe Greco Joe Greco said (with establishing info deleted): > Agreed, however, it's much more likely that some other component (think: > disks, cpu fans, etc) will exhibit errors. 15% is a fairly hefty price to > pay for a relatively small return. > > On a well built RAID system that needs the extra reliability, perhaps it is > warranted. It is probably _not_ warranted on your average run of the mill > server class system to lose 15% just to gain one correction every ten years > rather than one crash every ten years, unless you have purposely over-spec'd > the machine to account for the 15% loss. > > Obviously it is a matter of how paranoid (or silly?) you want to be.. I am > perfectly confident that my disks will puke before my RAM. > > ... Joe > You may be right about ECC. The loss of parity in the Triton I should not be underestimated because of the potential for disaster at the time the machine is first put into service. A few years back, we put a Unix box into service which had DTC caching disk controller in it. Although the controller did a RAM test on power up, it did not even make use of the parity bit on the RAM that was installed. It took a few weeks of service before someone discovered the little bit errors showing up in their data. Since the backup was on the same controller, you can guess how reliable they were. It took quite a while to restore the data integrity on this system, even with the original backups that were uncorrupted by the controller (a lot of data can be generated in a few weeks on a server!). I wish the computer had crashed! It would have saved a lot of time and effort. I think Intel did a real disservice by ever producing a chipset that did not check parity. I know that Triton chipset motherboards are being used as servers, and that even a rigorous burnin may not reveal some forms of memory failure that occur in a 32 bit operating system under the stresses of real usage. At least with parity, the machine did go down and the administrator was alerted to the problem but nothing is worse than gradual data corruption. Maybe Intel is overcompensating a bit by giving us the option of ECC, but anyone who was burned in the Triton I era might want that option. Will I use it? I don't know, but I am glad it is there. ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 15:10:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA03501 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from databus.databus.com (databus.databus.com [198.186.154.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03471 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Barney Wolff To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:59 EDT Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <31a23f350.da6@databus.databus.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The figure of "once in 10 years" was given without any indication of what it applies to. 0.1/year/bit? per MB? per SIMM? per 64MB? I am familiar with a network of 100 64MB machines, and it sees at least a few corrected ECC errors a week, so I suspect the raw error rate is much more like 1 a year, if not higher, not 1 a decade. For almost any purpose, a crash a year is acceptable, if recovery is reasonable. Data corruption is not acceptable. My net of all this is that I'll run with parity if it's faster than ECC, but not run with nothing at all. Barney Wolff From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 17:56:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA21279 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21273 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA29994; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:40:07 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605220110.KAA29994@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: hardware snafu To: tbalfe@tioga.com (Thomas J Balfe) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:40:06 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Thomas J Balfe" at May 21, 96 06:31:18 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thomas J Balfe stands accused of saying: > > These two don't like to be at the same place at the same time with 2.1R: > > - Biostar MB-8433UUD Biostar motherboards have given me no end of pain; in every situation where I've come up against one, it's had to be replaced. Avoid them at all costs. > - Kingston KNE2021LC Someone reported having problems with newer DEC-based Kingston NICs. I wonder if this is related to the problems with newer Compex cards... > Thomas J Balfe tbalfe@tioga.com -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 18:08:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA22081 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from novell.com ([147.2.128.54]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA22076 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from INET-NJ-Message_Server by fromGW with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 May 1996 21:05:53 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 21:14:28 -0400 From: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) To: kat@cs.purdue.edu, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD on laptop platforms - Reply Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just got FreeBSD to work on an IBM 760CD. I had to use the beta version of XFree86 (Version 3.1.2E) to get X running. The IDE CD-ROM driver ran fine and the PCCard (PCMCIA) package worked great. Sound will not work because IBM uses a DSP chip for that (If anyone has drivers though, let me know.) Darren R. Davis Senior Software Engineer Novell, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 21:57:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA15523 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 21:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pioneer.bawel.net ([140.174.160.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA15518 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 21:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pioneer.bawel.net (pioneer.bawel.net [140.174.160.100]) by pioneer.bawel.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA21974 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:02:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 22:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffry Komala To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Diamond video card Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is not a question specific to freeBSD, but since it involves a very popular brand name, I thought a lot of people would be interested. Does anybody ever encounter a problem with Diamond Stealth 64 PCI Graphics 2000 series (DRAM version)? If you have one, try run it under 800x600x 16bit resolution and see if you encounter a blank screen. It happens to me on two different new video cards on three different motherboards: a generic 486DX4-100, an Intel Zappa, and a generic Triton-based motherboard. The cards I am using are the OEM version. If you also have a blank screen while running the above video mode, then my theory is correct that every Stealth 64, at least the 2000 Graphics series, has a serious hardware bug. Timing or interrupt problem? Btw....the particular model uses Trio64 graphics chip. Jeffry Komala From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 22:22:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16828 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA16809; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA10571; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:16:44 +1000 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:16:44 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199605220516.PAA10571@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: ken@stox.pr.mcs.net, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl Subject: Re: HSM for FreeBSD?, was Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, taob@io.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >OK, disklabel and newfs. 1 hour and 20 minutes later I had this 28+ Gb >filesystem... Only problem sofar: 'df' reports a negative 'avail' number. >Percentage is also -0% (noi typo). I'll try to find out why this happens. >Any known problems with disks this big? /bin/df and FFS's statfs() have cosmetic bugs in 2.1R. This was fixed on 1996/01/14 in -current. -stable is still broken. Sigh. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 21 23:37:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA21336 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 23:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA21322 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 23:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA13917; Tue, 21 May 1996 23:36:35 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605220636.XAA13917@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: barney@databus.com (Barney Wolff) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 23:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <31a23f350.da6@databus.databus.com> from Barney Wolff at "May 21, 96 05:59:00 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The figure of "once in 10 years" was given without any indication of > what it applies to. 0.1/year/bit? per MB? per SIMM? per 64MB? The current SER (Soft Error Rate) on 16MBytes of memory using 16Mbit chips in approximately on the order of 0.1 per year. (That would be typical of a pair of 8MB 72 pin simms). I left the specification fairly ambigous because what it is derived from several charts, one of which is a chart of data called ``FIT per Bit'' rates of DRAM's vs technologies. A FIT is ``Failure In Time per Billion Hours of operation''. Another is MTBF due to soft errors vs System hours vs DRAM density. Depending on how you want to interprete all this data and what memory desnsities you are looking at you can come up with a whole lot of different numbers. But since I build systems I knew most of what is being built today as far as FreeBSD Pentium systems are using either 4Mbit or 16Mbit DRAM technology and typical memory sizes are between 16 and 64MB of memory. Given that critera your going to see a memory error about once in 10 years, thats all data allows you to state with signficant accuracy (thats 10 years, not 10.0 years, significant digits applies here, thus anything between 1 in 5.0 and 15.0 years). > I am familiar with a network of 100 64MB machines, and it sees at least > a few corrected ECC errors a week, so I suspect the raw error rate > is much more like 1 a year, if not higher, not 1 a decade. And how old are these machines, and what density/technology is the memory. I suspect we are talking about 1MB DRAM technology (SER is about 1.2bit/year/2MB). I also suspect you have some memory in there that is in pretty bad condition. A cluster of 50 HP9000/J200's with 384MB to 512MB is each is seeing a ECC error once in a blue moon, I can't remember the last one it had infact. Memory FIT rates have improved 2 orders of magnitude between 1Mbit and 16Mbit technologies. > For almost any purpose, a crash a year is acceptable, if recovery is > reasonable. Data corruption is not acceptable. My net of all this > is that I'll run with parity if it's faster than ECC, but not run > with nothing at all. Thats pretty much what I am telling folks, unless you have something mission critical enough that you can't with stand 1 crash sometime over the usefull life (I consider usefull life of current technology <3 years) of the system attributable to a memory error then run with ECC on, but then anyone with those types of requirements is going to be doing a lot more than just ECC memory. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 22 07:01:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA27984 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA27979 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA12297; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:00:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:00:41 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199605221400.IAA12297@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) Cc: kat@cs.purdue.edu, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptop platforms - Reply In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I just got FreeBSD to work on an IBM 760CD. Congratulations! > fine and the PCCard (PCMCIA) package worked great. Sound will not work > because IBM uses a DSP chip for that (If anyone has drivers though, let > me know.) Apparently IBM's DSP chip is different enough that it requires a special driver. Someone within IBM ran Linux on one and had a driver written, but needed management support to release the code. Check around and see if they got permission. Also, could you send me you XF86Config file in private email? I've got a 755CX I need to get X running in 800x600 mode, and if you've done the hard work already I'd certainly be willing to use it. :) Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 22 07:47:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA01184 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01178 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id JAA23075; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:47:13 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199605221447.JAA23075@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? To: dave@persprog.com (David Alderman) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:47:13 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1E75A1F6F@novell.persprog.com> from "David Alderman" at May 20, 96 01:27:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Obviously it is a matter of how paranoid (or silly?) you want to be.. I am > > perfectly confident that my disks will puke before my RAM. > > > > ... Joe > > > > You may be right about ECC. The loss of parity in the Triton I > should not be underestimated because of the potential for disaster at > the time the machine is first put into service. Absolutely! :-/ > A few years back, we put a Unix box into service which had DTC > caching disk controller in it. Although the controller did a RAM > test on power up, it did not even make use of the parity bit on the > RAM that was installed. It took a few weeks of service before someone > discovered the little bit errors showing up in their data. Since the > backup was on the same controller, you can guess how reliable they > were. It took quite a while to restore the data integrity on this > system, even with the original backups that were uncorrupted by the > controller (a lot of data can be generated in a few weeks on a > server!). I wish the computer had crashed! It would have saved a > lot of time and effort. Yeah, I hear you there :-( And adding parity checking really isn't that hard.. > I think Intel did a real disservice by ever producing a chipset that > did not check parity. I know that Triton chipset motherboards are > being used as servers, and that even a rigorous burnin may not > reveal some forms of memory failure that occur in a 32 bit operating > system under the stresses of real usage. At least with parity, the > machine did go down and the administrator was alerted to the problem > but nothing is worse than gradual data corruption. > > Maybe Intel is overcompensating a bit by giving us the option of ECC, > but anyone who was burned in the Triton I era might want that option. > Will I use it? I don't know, but I am glad it is there. Me too. :-) >From a practicality point of view, I understand producing a chipset with an _option_ to disable parity. Many consumer grade PC's are more interested in cheapness than reliability. Putting 32 bit memory in a consumer grade PC is an obvious cost optimization. ;-) However, any site wanting a server class system should be extremely interested in the ability to detect errors, even if the cost is substantially more than 9/8 the cost of non-parity RAM (as the current market seems to be). The easy way to tell the men from the boys is who's running FreeBSD on a hot PCI board with parity RAM ;-) I even buy parity RAM for non-parity boards, because I assume I will replace the board someday ;-) Now, the nifty thing about ECC is that while you would not want to use it on a daily basis, if something does happen (bad RAM with a few single bit errors, etc), you may be able to coax the system into running long enough to obtain replacements. Sometimes that is important. ;-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 22 11:46:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16754 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16738 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id NAA11804; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:43:41 -0500 Received: from novell(192.2.2.201) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma011802; Wed May 22 14:43:37 1996 Received: from NOVELL/SpoolDir by novell.persprog.com (Mercury 1.12); Wed, 22 May 96 14:39:57 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by NOVELL (Mercury 1.12); Wed, 22 May 96 14:39:41 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc. To: Joe Greco , hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:39:33 EST Subject: Re: Triton chipset with 256k cache caches 32M only? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-ID: <3322B213B1@novell.persprog.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: Joe Greco > Many lines deleted... > Now, the nifty thing about ECC is that while you would not want to use it on > a daily basis, if something does happen (bad RAM with a few single bit > errors, etc), you may be able to coax the system into running long enough to > obtain replacements. Sometimes that is important. ;-) > > ... JG > That is a great idea! Now I know what I will do on servers henceforth. ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 22 12:22:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA19610 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19590; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA22578; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:21:48 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA21452 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 22 May 1996 21:20:43 +0200 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA05119 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 22 May 1996 21:14:26 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA01203; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:45:58 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199605221845.UAA01203@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: HSM for FreeBSD?, was Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:45:58 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ken@stox.pr.mcs.net, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, taob@io.org In-Reply-To: <199605220516.PAA10571@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at May 22, 96 03:16:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >OK, disklabel and newfs. 1 hour and 20 minutes later I had this 28+ Gb > >filesystem... Only problem sofar: 'df' reports a negative 'avail' number. > >Percentage is also -0% (noi typo). I'll try to find out why this happens. > > >Any known problems with disks this big? > > /bin/df and FFS's statfs() have cosmetic bugs in 2.1R. This was fixed > on 1996/01/14 in -current. -stable is still broken. Sigh. > > Bruce Hmm. Well, I'll happily do a 'boundary test' on a pre-version of 2.2R. Jordan, please don't forget to trigger me -----^^ Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 22 12:55:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21637 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org ([207.40.47.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21632 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mofo (mofo.dreamchaser.org [206.230.42.91]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA09237; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:54:02 -0600 Message-ID: <31A36B74.40FB@ics.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 13:31:00 -0600 From: Gary Aitken Organization: Integrated Computer Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffry Komala CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Diamond video card References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anybody ever encounter a problem with Diamond Stealth 64 PCI > Graphics 2000 series (DRAM version)? > If you have one, try run it under 800x600x 16bit resolution and see if > you encounter a blank screen. > It happens to me on two different new video cards on three different > motherboards: a generic 486DX4-100, an Intel Zappa, and a generic > Triton-based motherboard. > The cards I am using are the OEM version. I don't know if this is related; I'm not running X on my freebsd box right now because I have problems with it hanging (reboot required). I have a Stealth 64 2001 Video card and when the power saving features of the monitor are enabled under win95 (I've tried two different monitors), the monitor *sometimes* refuses to turn back on. Powering the monitor off and back on causes the monitor to display a message about no video signals. The problem went away when I switched to a plain Stealth 64 card. -- Gary Aitken garya@ics.com (business) garya@dreamchaser.org (personal) From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 22 14:42:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA00658 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aeffle.Stanford.EDU (sequence.Stanford.EDU [171.65.76.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00650 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aeffle.Stanford.EDU; id AA19248; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:42:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:42:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Lew To: Jeffry Komala Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diamond video card In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 May 1996, Jeffry Komala wrote: > > This is not a question specific to freeBSD, but since it involves a very > popular brand name, I thought a lot of people would be interested. > > Does anybody ever encounter a problem with Diamond Stealth 64 PCI > Graphics 2000 series (DRAM version)? > If you have one, try run it under 800x600x 16bit resolution and see if > you encounter a blank screen. > It happens to me on two different new video cards on three different > motherboards: a generic 486DX4-100, an Intel Zappa, and a generic > Triton-based motherboard. > The cards I am using are the OEM version. > > If you also have a blank screen while running the above video mode, then > my theory is correct that every Stealth 64, at least the 2000 Graphics > series, has a serious hardware bug. Timing or interrupt problem? > > Btw....the particular model uses Trio64 graphics chip. > > Jeffry Komala > Hmmm.... Are you using the S3 chipset with the S3 X-server? Have you tried it with a different monitor? Can you log in on another terminal, run X, get the blank screen, and see if it outputs any error message? Does killing the X process recover the screen back or does the system just hang? ---- || Shoppers Network BEST PRICES, FULLY x86 COMPATIBLE & FAST!!! || PO BOX 16627 Cyrix 686s now available! || San Francisco, CA 94116 Email - info@shoppersnet.com | ------------------------------> WWW - http://www2.shoppersnet.com -------------------------------> WWW - http://www.shoppersnet.com/shopping From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 22 14:51:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA01458 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01433; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA04915; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:50:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaye Mathisen To: Wilko Bulte cc: Bruce Evans , ken@stox.pr.mcs.net, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, taob@io.org Subject: Re: HSM for FreeBSD?, was Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? In-Reply-To: <199605221845.UAA01203@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I had a 20GB RAID running under FreeBSD for some time, and it worked just fine, utilities and everything. My problem was an apparently broken 2940UW driver that I couldn't get resolved in time, and so had to bail back to BSD/OS unfortunately. However, while it was running on a buslogic in narrow mode, it worked just fine. On Wed, 22 May 1996, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > >OK, disklabel and newfs. 1 hour and 20 minutes later I had this 28+ Gb > > >filesystem... Only problem sofar: 'df' reports a negative 'avail' number. > > >Percentage is also -0% (noi typo). I'll try to find out why this happens. > > > > >Any known problems with disks this big? > > > > /bin/df and FFS's statfs() have cosmetic bugs in 2.1R. This was fixed > > on 1996/01/14 in -current. -stable is still broken. Sigh. > > > > Bruce > > Hmm. Well, I'll happily do a 'boundary test' on a pre-version of 2.2R. > > Jordan, please don't forget to trigger me -----^^ > > Wilko > _ __________________________________________________________________________ > | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl > |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 22 22:09:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16318 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netserv1.free.net (netserv1.free.net [147.45.15.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA16312 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itp.ac.ru by netserv1.free.net (8.6.12/6) with ESMTP id JAA11803 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:09:26 +0400 Received: (ks@localhost) by itp.ac.ru (8.6.11/8.6.5) id JAA02080; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:13:37 +0400 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:13:37 +0400 From: "Sergey S. Kosyakov" Message-Id: <199605230513.JAA02080@itp.ac.ru> To: jkomala@pioneer.bawel.net Subject: Re: Diamond video card In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Jeffry Komala ' dated: Tue, 21 May 1996 22:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anybody ever encounter a problem with Diamond Stealth 64 PCI Graphics 2000 series (DRAM version)? I had various problems whith my 3 Diamond Stealth 64 PCI 2001 cards under FreeBSD, Windows NT & Windows 95. Now those cards works well. The solution: 1. 2nd MB SOJ DRAM chips must be 50ns 2. BIOS must be at least v1.03 3. Under FreeBSD use X*S3 from XFree861.3.2D distribution 4. Under Windows95 & Windows NT use original drivers from Diamond Stealth, not from those OS. Sergey. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 22 22:14:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16674 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netserv2.free.net (netserv2.free.net [147.45.15.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA16665 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itp.ac.ru by netserv2.free.net (8.6.12.C2.1/8s) with ESMTP id JAA09356 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:14:29 +0400 Received: (ks@localhost) by itp.ac.ru (8.6.11/8.6.5) id JAA02116 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:19:30 +0400 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:19:30 +0400 From: "Sergey S. Kosyakov" Message-Id: <199605230519.JAA02116@itp.ac.ru> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Seppo Kallio ' dated: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:30:10 +0300 (EET DST) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have P120, MicroStar TR-2. I got same cc1 signal 11 when compiling kernel ... I had the same problem on my P120 Triton motheboard (IDE) until change motheboard to Acer (P120 Triton IDE). Sergey. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 03:00:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA24525 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 03:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (root@zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA24461; Thu, 23 May 1996 02:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA24059; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:59:45 +0200 From: Tomas Klockar Received: (dateck@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id LAA10164; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:59:15 +0200 Message-Id: <199605230959.LAA10164@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: NexSTor VL-bus FAST SCSI-2 To: scsi@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:59:14 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a NexStor SCSI card Its called NXT-82 simular to NXT-52 NXT-74 NXT-76 NXT-82 is a VL-Bus FAST SCSI-2 Host adaptor and I would like to use it under freebsd. Is there anyone that knows anything about it?? If there isn't any device out there ill have to write it myself. I have the manuals and I can dissassemble the BIOS on the card. I need some help though. /Tomas -- Tomas Klockar can be found at the following adresses: Kårhusvägen 4, 2:43 | Furuvägen 102 | dateck@ludd.luth.se 977 54 Luleå | 871 52 Härnösand | dateck@solace.mh.se Tel: +46-920-229391 | Tel: +46-611-13393 | d94-tkl@sm.luth.se From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 06:47:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA12912 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cello.QNET.COM (cello.qnet.com [204.107.78.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA12907; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cello.QNET.COM (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0uMakP-0003ioC; Thu, 23 May 96 06:48 PDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 May 96 06:48 PDT To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Chris Linstruth Subject: FreeBSD: SCSI hangs, panics and other failures as nntp server Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear FreeBSD-Hardware (and ISP): We at qnet have been attempting to use FreeBSD as a Usenet News server for about a year. We are at this time evaluating other alternatives because we have been unable to achieve the stability required under this kind of load. We are perfectly satisfied with 2.1.0-RELEASE's performance as a Domain Name Server, mail hub, and W3 (apache) server. We have built several different machines based on the AHA-1542, NCR83C510, and the most recent being an AHA-2940 (AIC7870). We have been unable to build a system that does not suffer from: SCSI Bus hangs - (you can switch VTs etc, but anything accessing any SCSI device terminally hangs. Telnetting in results in a connection but no login prompt, but characters echo. You know what I'm talking about. Random Reboots Device Timeouts - with 2.1.0-RELEASE. We just upgraded to the 2.2-960501-SNAP and now we're getting reboots instead of system hangs. (detailed in kern/1157) Is there anything we can do? We've replaced every component including SCSI cables, terminators, etc. We've tried external SCSI cabinets, all internal devices, and combinations of both. We would certainly like to continue using FreeBSD for all our subsystems, including Usenet. Where should we look next? Would another host adapter (Buslogic?) solve all our problems? If you were going to buy a new PCI host adapter for a FreeBSD system what would it be? What hardware deficiency would typically cause these symptoms? Does the -stable kernel contain anything related to this that the 960501 snapshot does not? Thanks in advance for *any* assistance. (A project for today includes recompiling a kernel with the appropriate debug options available, so that info should be available soon.) ---------- The Hardware: FreeBSD 2.2-960501-SNAP #0: Wed May 1 14:09:30 1996 jkh@time.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC Calibrating clock(s) relative to mc146818A clock ... i586 clock: 99463645 Hz, i8 254 clock: 1193062 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency CLK_USE_I586_CALIBRATION not specified - using old calibration method i586 clock: 0 Hz CPU: Pentium (99.46-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 Features=0x1bf real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) avail memory = 30466048 (29752K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 1 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 2 on pci0:7:0 piix0 rev 2 on pci0:7:1 ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci0:19 ahc0: aic7880 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (ahc0:0:0): "FUJITSU M2694ES-512 812A" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 1033MB (2117025 512 byte sectors) (ahc0:1:0): "FUJITSU M1606S-512 6226" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(ahc0:1:0): Direct-Access 1041MB (2131992 512 byte sectors) (ahc0:2:0): "SEAGATE ST15230N 0298" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd2(ahc0:2:0): Direct-Access 4095MB (8386733 512 byte sectors) (ahc0:3:0): "Quantum XP34300 81HB" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd3(ahc0:3:0): Direct-Access 4101MB (8399520 512 byte sectors) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x280-0x29f irq 3 maddr 0xd0000 msize 16384 on isa ed0: address 00:00:c0:97:b7:7a, type WD8013EPC (16 bit) ed1 not found at 0x300 fe0: disabled, not probed. sio0: disabled, not probed. sio1: disabled, not probed. sio2: disabled, not probed. sio3: disabled, not probed. lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface lpt1 not found at 0xffffffff lpt2 not found at 0xffffffff mse0: wrong signature ff mse0 not found at 0x23c psm0: disabled, not probed. fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0: disabled, not probed. wdc1: disabled, not probed. bt0 not found at 0x330 uha0 not found at 0x330 aha0 not found at 0x330 aic0 not found at 0x340 nca0 not found at 0x1f88 nca1 not found at 0x350 sea0 not found wt0: disabled, not probed. mcd0: disabled, not probed. mcd1 not found at 0x340 matcdc0 not found at 0x230 scd0 not found at 0x230 ie0 not probed due to maddr conflict with ed0 at 0xd0000 ep0: disabled, not probed. ix0: disabled, not probed. le0: disabled, not probed. lnc0 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed0 at 0x280 lnc1: disabled, not probed. ze0: disabled, not probed. zp0: disabled, not probed. npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface apm0: disabled, not probed. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 08:39:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA20661 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20647; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605231538.IAA20647@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Chris Linstruth cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD: SCSI hangs, panics and other failures as nntp server In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 May 1996 06:48:00 PDT." Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:38:58 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Dear FreeBSD-Hardware (and ISP): > >We at qnet have been attempting to use FreeBSD as a >Usenet News server for about a year. We are at this time >evaluating other alternatives because we have been unable to >achieve the stability required under this kind of load. > >We are perfectly satisfied with 2.1.0-RELEASE's performance as >a Domain Name Server, mail hub, and W3 (apache) server. > >We have built several different machines based on the AHA-1542, >NCR83C510, and the most recent being an AHA-2940 (AIC7870). Don't use 2.1.0R with a 2940. Use -stable. >We have been unable to build a system that does not suffer >from: > > SCSI Bus hangs - (you can switch VTs etc, but anything > accessing any SCSI device terminally hangs. Telnetting > in results in a connection but no login prompt, but > characters echo. You know what I'm talking about. > > Random Reboots > > Device Timeouts - with 2.1.0-RELEASE. We just upgraded > to the 2.2-960501-SNAP and now we're getting reboots > instead of system hangs. (detailed in kern/1157) If you are getting reboots, its most likely not a device timeout. You should probably be supping the CVS tree and relying on 2.1-STABLE not on current. >Is there anything we can do? We've replaced every component including >SCSI cables, terminators, etc. We've tried external SCSI cabinets, all >internal devices, and combinations of both. Try -stable. Its designed for your type of aplication where stability is more important than new features. >We would certainly like to continue using FreeBSD for all our >subsystems, including Usenet. Where should we look next? > >Would another host adapter (Buslogic?) solve all our problems? Perhaps. The Buslogic driver may be more stable, but offers poorer performance than the 2940 driver. There seem to be two things that can trip up a 2940 right now. Mixing wide and narrow devices, and turning on ultra mode. I think I have the ultra problem squashed, but I don't have any wide or ultra devices to test with. >If you were going to buy a new PCI host adapter for a FreeBSD system >what would it be? Probably a 3940UW. The aic7xxx driver is the most actively maintained driver in the source tree and the usual response time on bugs is good. >What hardware deficiency would typically cause these symptoms? Poor termination, device driver bug, VM bug... Go back to -stable and see how that works for you. >Does the -stable kernel contain anything related to this that the 960501 >snapshot does not? -stable is a totally different source tree then what was in the 960501 snap. >Thanks in advance for *any* assistance. > >(A project for today includes recompiling a kernel with the appropriate >debug options available, so that info should be available soon.) Try to compile a custom kernel that has only the devices you use in it. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 11:38:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA07988 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07981; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA00693; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:53:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:36:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD: SCSI hangs, panics and other failures as nntp server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 May 1996, Chris Linstruth wrote: > We have built several different machines based on the AHA-1542, > NCR83C510, and the most recent being an AHA-2940 (AIC7870). > > We have been unable to build a system that does not suffer > from: Then maybe it's not the SCSI host adapter. Try a different network card, maybe a 3COM 3C509 or 3C590. On other OSes (SCO UNIX) I have solved wierd SCSI problems by switching from Adaptec to Buslogic. > Random Reboots This could be incorrect configuration of BIOS motherboard options. Pore carefully through the motherboard manual and make sure all the settings make sense and unused stuff like IDE is disabled. If it's an ASUS board there is a newsgroup you can check into alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus Make sure that any IRQ's used by ISA devices are reserved in the BIOS so the PCI system doesn't try to use them. > (A project for today includes recompiling a kernel with the appropriate > debug options available, so that info should be available soon.) > aha0 not found at 0x330 > aic0 not found at 0x340 > nca0 not found at 0x1f88 > nca1 not found at 0x350 > sea0 not found Might be a good idea to remove all those uneeded device drivers while you are at it. Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 12:33:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA11597 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dunquin (PPP-81-3.BU.EDU [128.197.8.23]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11588 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rdmurphy@localhost) by dunquin (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA00279; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:29:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:29:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199605231329.JAA00279@dunquin> From: "Russell D. Murphy" To: mcortes@cs.sunysb.edu Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Sony CDU-76S CD-ROM patch Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here's the patch that I received to enable audio CD-ROM playing on a Sony CDU-76 CD-ROM. My recollection is that I had to apply the patch by hand. Russ Murphy |-------------------------- |Date: Thu, 21 Mar 96 12:38:38 +0100 |From: Jean-Marc Zucconi |To: rdmurphy@acs.bu.edu | |>>>>> rdmurphy writes: | | > I have a question about playing an audio CD (through headphones) | > on my CD-ROM drive. I've tried using a couple different programs | > without success. Using "cdplay", I can access the drive, in the | > sense that it lists the tracks, but it won't play the CD. When I | > attempt to play it, the following message is generated: | | > cd0(ncr0:3:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:26,0 Invalid field in parameter list | | > Any idea what's going on here? | | > My system: | | > FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE #0: Mon Mar 11 01:03:52 1996 | > root@dunquin:/usr/src/sys/compile/DUNQUIN < stuff deleted > | > ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 11 on pci0:12 | > ncr0 waiting for scsi devices to settle | > (ncr0:0:0): "FUJITSU M1606S-512 6234" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 | > sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access | > sd0(ncr0:0:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. | > 1041MB (2131992 512 byte sectors) | > (ncr0:3:0): "SONY CD-ROM CDU-76S 1.1c" type 5 removable SCSI 2 | |Go to /sys/scsi, apply the following patch to cd.c and recompile |*************** |*** 1093,1098 **** |--- 1093,1104 ---- | scsi_cmd.byte2 |= SMS_PF; | scsi_cmd.length = sizeof(*data) & 0xff; | data->header.data_length = 0; |+ /* |+ * SONY drives do not allow a mode select with a medium_type |+ * value that has just been returned by a mode sense; use a |+ * medium_type of 0 (Default) instead. |+ */ |+ data->header.medium_type = 0; | return (scsi_scsi_cmd(SCSI_LINK(&cd_switch, unit), | (struct scsi_generic *) &scsi_cmd, | sizeof(scsi_cmd), | |Jean-Marc | _____________________________________________________________________________ | Jean-Marc Zucconi Observatoire de Besancon F 25010 Besancon cedex | PGP Key: finger jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr | ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 13:32:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA16374 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16350; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id PAA25173; Thu, 23 May 1996 15:31:14 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199605232031.PAA25173@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD: SCSI hangs, panics and other failures as nntp server To: cjl@qnet.com (Chris Linstruth) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 15:31:13 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Chris Linstruth" at May 23, 96 06:48:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Dear FreeBSD-Hardware (and ISP): > > We at qnet have been attempting to use FreeBSD as a > Usenet News server for about a year. We are at this time > evaluating other alternatives because we have been unable to > achieve the stability required under this kind of load. You won't find a better alternative. I've been very successful using FreeBSD as a news server, as a matter of fact I am setting up a dedicated feeder system consisting of 15 of the new UltraSCSI 1G Hawk (31055N) drives, several NCR810's and an ASUS P133 board. Usually where I see SCSI problems - and this isn't just FreeBSD - is when you mix and match drive types and (worse) vendors on the same SCSI channel. This doesn't help reliability. Stick to one vendor, preferably one drive model. If you must mix and match, put in another SCSI channel and keep the drives on each channel homogeneous if possible. Also, make sure you are using quality components. If you are not using a Triton based board, preferably one known to work well, go out and get one of the new ASUS Triton-II boards, they're under $250. If you ARE using a Triton-I based board, make sure you have thoroughly tested the RAM. Get enough RAM to be a news server. 32MB is about enough to take a pee in. news.sol.net is tight in 64MB RAM; I maintain a million articles and my history.pag file is about 20MB. I usually have less than half a dozen readers on, but the system is adequate. You are maintaining huge data structures in your VM system. Act like you are, and buy the physical memory to support it. The feeder box (NO readers!) I am building will have 128MB RAM. Get multiple SCSI channels. The Adaptec stuff is good, reliable, and has a nice GUI for setup and hardware maintenance. The NCR-810's are dirt cheap, but offer the same performance and reliability as the Adaptec stuff. The differences I see are that you don't get a GUI and you do get it MUCH cheaper. The box I'm building has 3 NCR's. As soon as an AHA-3940 frees up I will have 2 NCR's and a 3940 for _4_ SCSI channels. Get more disks. My smallest news server has 8 disks and it is woefully I/O bound. The feeder box I am building has 17 drives (15 1G, 2 4G). Use good fast disks. I don't like anything over 9ms (Seagate Hawk class), and prefer Barracuda. Remember two 9ms 1G drives will on average be faster than a single 8ms 2G drive. You can use ccd to combine smaller disks into a few larger disks. The reason I usually see for news server failures under FreeBSD is that INN imposes wild requirements on an OS. If you fail to equip your machine adequately, you end up exercising lots of portions of the system that you don't want to be exercising. Some of these portions may have bugs too ;-) I used to see lots of bizarre things happening during expire, because with 48MB RAM I did not have enough RAM to deal with my required VM profile. RAM in particular is real important, and at current prices there is no excuse to have less than 64MB. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 15:19:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA26796 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 15:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26790 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 15:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA04433 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 15:19:43 -0700 (PDT) To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 15:19:42 -0700 Message-ID: <4431.832889982@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When you stock, say, an ASUS P54NP4 motherboard with two pentium processors It's my understanding that you have to buy one "master" and one slave CPU from Intel, you can't just buy two of the same P5 parts and drop them in. I've never actually populated such a board myself (they were already done by our boxshifter) so I don't know for _sure_, but that's my understanding. Now I'm wondering - if I wanted to use the K5 in the same application for reasons of cost, would I be screwed? I've looked through AMD's product line and I see no indication of whether or not the AMD chips are SMP capable. Anyone? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 16:14:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA01796 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 16:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbeth.ienet.com (macbeth.ienet.com [207.78.32.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01785 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 16:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brutus.ienet.com (brutus.ienet.com [207.78.32.152]) by macbeth.ienet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12786; Thu, 23 May 1996 16:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31A4F273.3A62@ienet.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 16:19:15 -0700 From: Terry Lee Organization: Internet Design Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? References: <4431.832889982@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Don't know the answer to your question Jordan, but just wondering, what OS are you comtemplating on running? :) -- I N T E R N E T Terry Lee, Technical Director D E S I G N 611 W. 6th St., Ste. 3201, Los Angeles, CA 90017 G R O U P 213.488.6100 voice 213.488.6101 fax http://www.mall.net mailto:terryl@ienet.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 16:42:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA05566 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 16:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw1.att.com (gw1.att.com [192.20.239.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05555 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 16:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA02904; Thu, 23 May 96 19:38:50 EDT From: gtc@aloft.att.com (gary.corcoran) To: hardware@freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com Received: from aloft (aloft.cnet.att.com) by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-M4.3) id AA13532; Thu, 23 May 96 19:41:36 EDT Received: from stargazer (stargazer.cnet.att.com) by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M5.1) id AA22778; Thu, 23 May 96 19:41:41 EDT Received: by stargazer (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA08369; Thu, 23 May 96 19:41:39 EDT Date: Thu, 23 May 96 19:41:39 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!aloft!gtc (gary.corcoran) Message-Id: <9605232341.AA08369@stargazer> Original-To: freebsd.org!hardware, time.cdrom.com!jkh Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >When you stock, say, an ASUS P54NP4 motherboard with two pentium >processors It's my understanding that you have to buy one "master" and >one slave CPU from Intel, you can't just buy two of the same P5 parts >and drop them in. I've never actually populated such a board myself >(they were already done by our boxshifter) so I don't know for _sure_, >but that's my understanding. Yes, this is definitely true for the Intel P5 parts. Haven't checked prices lately, but about a year ago most places were charging $100-$200 *more* for the slave CPU (P5-90), just because they were more "rare". >Now I'm wondering - if I wanted to use the K5 in the same application >for reasons of cost, would I be screwed? I've looked through AMD's >product line and I see no indication of whether or not the AMD chips >are SMP capable. Sorry, don't know about the K5, but you *would* have to have different parts to fulfill the master/slave roles on a motherboard designed for Intel 586's... Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 16:47:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA05869 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 16:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05861 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 16:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA17531; Thu, 23 May 1996 16:47:24 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605232347.QAA17531@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 16:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4431.832889982@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "May 23, 96 03:19:42 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > When you stock, say, an ASUS P54NP4 motherboard with two pentium > processors It's my understanding that you have to buy one "master" and > one slave CPU from Intel, you can't just buy two of the same P5 parts > and drop them in. I've never actually populated such a board myself > (they were already done by our boxshifter) so I don't know for _sure_, > but that's my understanding. In the early steppings of the Intel A80502 chip the SMP support did not work correctly, with those chips you had to specifically order the correct S-Spec number to get the primary and secondary CPU. This was all corrected at manufacturing mask set C, stepping 5 or latter of the CPU chips. For the above ASUS PCI/X-P54NP4 (X is either E or I depeding on Eisa Or Isa) boards any pair of stepping 5 or higher chips will work fine. > Now I'm wondering - if I wanted to use the K5 in the same application > for reasons of cost, would I be screwed? I've looked through AMD's > product line and I see no indication of whether or not the AMD chips > are SMP capable. I haven't got any clues on the K5 stuff... you should probably call ASUS and AMD technical support on that one. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 17:13:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA08234 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 17:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08227 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 17:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA04985; Thu, 23 May 1996 17:13:40 -0700 (PDT) To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 May 1996 16:47:24 PDT." <199605232347.QAA17531@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:13:40 -0700 Message-ID: <4983.832896820@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > For the above ASUS PCI/X-P54NP4 (X is either E or I depeding on Eisa Or Isa) > boards any pair of stepping 5 or higher chips will work fine. Huzzah! Thanks for the straight scoop, Rod! > I haven't got any clues on the K5 stuff... you should probably call ASUS > and AMD technical support on that one. Mebbe I will indeed.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 17:46:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA11580 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 17:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jparnas.cybercom.net (jparnas.cybercom.net [205.198.82.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11573 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 17:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.cybercom.net (localhost.cybercom.net [127.0.0.1]) by jparnas.cybercom.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA29877; Thu, 23 May 1996 20:45:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199605240045.UAA29877@jparnas.cybercom.net> X-Authentication-Warning: jparnas.cybercom.net: Host localhost.cybercom.net didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, bsdi-users@bsdi.com X-External-Networks: yes Subject: Re: FreeBSD: SCSI hangs, panics and other failures as nntp server Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 20:45:01 -0400 From: "Jacob M. Parnas" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, could people give me the pros and cons of FreeBSD vs. BSDi, besides that FreeBSD is free and BSDI is contract bound to answer your questions? Thanks, Jacob Parnas From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 19:31:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA25053 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 19:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25039 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 19:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id DAA26058; Fri, 24 May 1996 03:30:32 +0100 (BST) To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 May 1996 16:47:24 PDT." <199605232347.QAA17531@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 03:30:31 +0100 Message-ID: <26056.832905031@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote in message ID <199605232347.QAA17531@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>: > For the above ASUS PCI/X-P54NP4 (X is either E or I depeding on Eisa Or Isa) > boards any pair of stepping 5 or higher chips will work fine. Translation: you don't need a special `S'lave processor, just another ordinary P5? (assuming that the chip hasn't been sat on a shelf for a while) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 20:19:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA01750 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 20:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA01739; Thu, 23 May 1996 20:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0uMnOU-0003w2C; Thu, 23 May 96 20:18 PDT Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA25681; Fri, 24 May 1996 00:10:30 GMT To: "Gary Palmer" cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 May 1996 03:30:31 +0100." <26056.832905031@palmer.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 00:10:17 +0000 Message-ID: <25679.832896617@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote in message ID > <199605232347.QAA17531@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>: > > For the above ASUS PCI/X-P54NP4 (X is either E or I depeding on Eisa Or Isa ) > > boards any pair of stepping 5 or higher chips will work fine. > > Translation: you don't need a special `S'lave processor, just another > ordinary P5? (assuming that the chip hasn't been sat on a shelf for a > while) Yeah, now we just need something better than the Neptune chipset... Anybody working on support for HP's 10/100 netcards ? otherwise my P6 will not be on the net :-( -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 23 22:42:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA24755 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 22:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24738 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 22:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id GAA26813; Fri, 24 May 1996 06:22:41 +0100 (BST) To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 May 1996 00:10:17 -0000." <25679.832896617@critter.tfs.com> Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 06:22:40 +0100 Message-ID: <26811.832915360@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp wrote in message ID <25679.832896617@critter.tfs.com>: > Yeah, now we just need something better than the Neptune chipset... You mean the Triton II? :) Doesn't it support MP? > Anybody working on support for HP's 10/100 netcards ? otherwise my > P6 will not be on the net :-( Umm. You mean the VG AnyLan stuff? Nope, as that's not ethernet but a TR clone from what I remember. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 24 00:52:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07031 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 May 1996 00:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06875 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 00:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA01205; Fri, 24 May 1996 00:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605240749.AAA01205@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 23 May 96 17:13:40 -0700. <4983.832896820@time.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 00:49:46 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I haven't got any clues on the K5 stuff... you should probably call ASUS >> and AMD technical support on that one. >Mebbe I will indeed.. > Jordan While you're on the phone, you should also call Cyrix and find out if their 6x86 can do the same tricks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 24 04:20:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA19294 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 May 1996 04:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.winc.com (mgessner@home.winc.com [204.178.182.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA19289 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 04:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mgessner@localhost) by home.winc.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) id HAA06277 for hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 May 1996 07:21:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199605241121.HAA06277@home.winc.com> Subject: console control To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 07:21:39 -0400 (EDT) From: mgessner@winc.com Organization: Aristar Software Development, Inc. Reply-To: mgessner@winc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, all, I'd very much like to get my console screens running at 43 or 50 lines like I'm supposed to be able to do. I've tried 2 things: 1) set term=cons50 2) vidcontrol VGA_80x50 Usually, vidcontrol gets upset at that point, saying "invalid mode." Can anyone help me out here? Also, can anyone tell me how I can get my already configured Logitech mouse to work on psm0? I rebuilt the kernel and it detects the device on psm0 on boot, but X doesn't behave like it sees a mouse there; the mouse doesn't respond to movement other than to jump to the upper left hand corner of the screen. Thanks folks, Matt Gessner From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 24 05:12:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA23965 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 May 1996 05:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ra.dkuug.dk (ra.dkuug.dk [193.88.44.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA23951 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 05:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA29921; Fri, 24 May 1996 13:52:03 +0200 Message-Id: <199605241152.NAA29921@ra.dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: console control To: mgessner@winc.com Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:52:02 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605241121.HAA06277@home.winc.com> from "mgessner@winc.com" at May 24, 96 07:21:39 am From: sos@FreeBSD.org Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to mgessner@winc.com who wrote: > > Hi, all, > > I'd very much like to get my console screens running at 43 or > 50 lines like I'm supposed to be able to do. I've tried 2 things: > > 1) set term=cons50 > 2) vidcontrol VGA_80x50 > > Usually, vidcontrol gets upset at that point, saying "invalid mode." > Can anyone help me out here? You need to load a 8x8 size font before you can use it :) see man vidcontrol how to load a font. > Also, can anyone tell me how I can get my already configured > Logitech mouse to work on psm0? I rebuilt the kernel and it detects the > device on psm0 on boot, but X doesn't behave like it sees a mouse there; > the mouse doesn't respond to movement other than to jump to the upper > left hand corner of the screen. Seems like you've chosen the wrong mousetype in your X config file... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 24 05:45:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA26837 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 May 1996 05:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uu.elvisti.kiev.ua ([193.125.28.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA26791 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 05:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28789; Fri, 24 May 1996 15:44:38 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id PAA02736; Fri, 24 May 1996 15:44:37 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199605241244.PAA02736@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: console control To: mgessner@winc.com Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 15:44:36 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605241121.HAA06277@home.winc.com> from "mgessner@winc.com" at May 24, 96 07:21:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk # # Hi, all, # # I'd very much like to get my console screens running at 43 or # 50 lines like I'm supposed to be able to do. I've tried 2 things: # # 1) set term=cons50 # 2) vidcontrol VGA_80x50 # # Usually, vidcontrol gets upset at that point, saying "invalid mode." # Can anyone help me out here? First of all you need to load screen fonts of size 8x8 (and probably 8x14) for this to work. -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 24 09:16:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA25699 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25685; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA17960; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:16:18 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605241616.JAA17960@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <26056.832905031@palmer.demon.co.uk> from Gary Palmer at "May 24, 96 03:30:31 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote in message ID > <199605232347.QAA17531@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>: > > For the above ASUS PCI/X-P54NP4 (X is either E or I depeding on Eisa Or Isa) > > boards any pair of stepping 5 or higher chips will work fine. > > Translation: you don't need a special `S'lave processor, just another > ordinary P5? (assuming that the chip hasn't been sat on a shelf for a > while) Correct. And a way to check that it has not been sitting on the shelf too long is to look at: CPU: 100-MHz Pentium 815\\100 (Pentium-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 ^ ^ from the FreeBSD boot messages. This is a stepping 5 chip, fine for SMP use.... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 24 09:19:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA26332 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26316; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA17969; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:19:28 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605241619.JAA17969@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? To: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <25679.832896617@critter.tfs.com> from Poul-Henning Kamp at "May 24, 96 00:10:17 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote in message ID > > <199605232347.QAA17531@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>: > > > For the above ASUS PCI/X-P54NP4 (X is either E or I depeding on Eisa Or Isa > ) > > > boards any pair of stepping 5 or higher chips will work fine. > > > > Translation: you don't need a special `S'lave processor, just another > > ordinary P5? (assuming that the chip hasn't been sat on a shelf for a > > while) > > Yeah, now we just need something better than the Neptune chipset... > > Anybody working on support for HP's 10/100 netcards ? > otherwise my P6 will not be on the net :-( Why not? Is it that you need 100VG? If so Compex makes a DEC 21140 based 100VG card that should work just fine with FreeBSD. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 24 09:27:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA27705 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA27693; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA18011; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:27:29 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605241627.JAA18011@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: phk@critter.tfs.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <26811.832915360@palmer.demon.co.uk> from Gary Palmer at "May 24, 96 06:22:40 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Poul-Henning Kamp wrote in message ID > <25679.832896617@critter.tfs.com>: > > Yeah, now we just need something better than the Neptune chipset... > > You mean the Triton II? :) Doesn't it support MP? Yes, Triton II supports SMP, and there is a PCI/E-P55T2P4D board on the way from ASUS, see there web site (http://www.asus.com.tw). > > > Anybody working on support for HP's 10/100 netcards ? otherwise my > > P6 will not be on the net :-( > > Umm. You mean the VG AnyLan stuff? Nope, as that's not ethernet but a > TR clone from what I remember. > > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 24 10:23:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA06307 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 May 1996 10:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06280; Fri, 24 May 1996 10:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA20577; Fri, 24 May 1996 10:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605241723.KAA20577@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp), gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 May 1996 09:19:28 PDT." <199605241619.JAA17969@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:23:16 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> > "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote in message ID >> > <199605232347.QAA17531@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>: >> > > For the above ASUS PCI/X-P54NP4 (X is either E or I depeding on Eisa Or Isa >> ) >> > > boards any pair of stepping 5 or higher chips will work fine. >> > >> > Translation: you don't need a special `S'lave processor, just another >> > ordinary P5? (assuming that the chip hasn't been sat on a shelf for a >> > while) >> >> Yeah, now we just need something better than the Neptune chipset... >> >> Anybody working on support for HP's 10/100 netcards ? >> otherwise my P6 will not be on the net :-( > >Why not? Is it that you need 100VG? If so Compex makes a DEC 21140 >based 100VG card that should work just fine with FreeBSD. The Compex 100BaseVG card does not use the DEC DC21140 chip. I believe it uses an AT&T chip. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 24 10:53:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA10834 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 May 1996 10:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10821; Fri, 24 May 1996 10:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA18168; Fri, 24 May 1996 10:52:56 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605241752.KAA18168@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: phk@critter.tfs.com, gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605241723.KAA20577@Root.COM> from David Greenman at "May 24, 96 10:23:16 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> > "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote in message ID > >> > <199605232347.QAA17531@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>: > >> > > For the above ASUS PCI/X-P54NP4 (X is either E or I depeding on Eisa Or Isa > >> ) > >> > > boards any pair of stepping 5 or higher chips will work fine. > >> > > >> > Translation: you don't need a special `S'lave processor, just another > >> > ordinary P5? (assuming that the chip hasn't been sat on a shelf for a > >> > while) > >> > >> Yeah, now we just need something better than the Neptune chipset... > >> > >> Anybody working on support for HP's 10/100 netcards ? > >> otherwise my P6 will not be on the net :-( > > > >Why not? Is it that you need 100VG? If so Compex makes a DEC 21140 > >based 100VG card that should work just fine with FreeBSD. > > The Compex 100BaseVG card does not use the DEC DC21140 chip. I believe it > uses an AT&T chip. Agghh.. your correct, I just checked the lituature pile, never mind.... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 24 11:29:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA13730 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 May 1996 11:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13722 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 11:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0uN1bb-0003wFC; Fri, 24 May 96 11:28 PDT Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA26292; Fri, 24 May 1996 01:58:58 GMT To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD's K5 processor in SMP applications? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 May 1996 09:19:28 MST." <199605241619.JAA17969@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 01:58:53 +0000 Message-ID: <26290.832903133@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Anybody working on support for HP's 10/100 netcards ? > > otherwise my P6 will not be on the net :-( > > Why not? Is it that you need 100VG? If so Compex makes a DEC 21140 > based 100VG card that should work just fine with FreeBSD. Nah, it's just that it's what's in it, and I don't have anything available I can plug in :-( -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 24 15:42:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12591 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 May 1996 15:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw1.att.com (gw1.att.com [192.20.239.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA12581 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA17651; Fri, 24 May 96 16:01:28 EDT From: gtc@aloft.att.com (gary.corcoran) To: hardware@FreeBSD.org, mgessner@winc.com Received: from aloft (aloft.cnet.att.com) by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-M4.3) id AA09716; Fri, 24 May 96 16:03:55 EDT Received: from stargazer (stargazer.cnet.att.com) by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M5.1) id AA19709; Fri, 24 May 96 16:04:01 EDT Received: by stargazer (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA17988; Fri, 24 May 96 16:03:57 EDT Date: Fri, 24 May 96 16:03:57 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!aloft!gtc (gary.corcoran) Message-Id: <9605242003.AA17988@stargazer> Original-To: FreeBSD.org!hardware, winc.com!mgessner Subject: Re: console control Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Matt Gessner wrote: > Also, can anyone tell me how I can get my already configured >Logitech mouse to work on psm0? I rebuilt the kernel and it detects the >device on psm0 on boot, but X doesn't behave like it sees a mouse there; >the mouse doesn't respond to movement other than to jump to the upper >left hand corner of the screen. That sounds like the problem I had. The problem was that the mouse "protocol" was set wrong. Change that and your mouse will probably work... Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 25 04:02:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA03079 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 25 May 1996 04:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oznet16.ozemail.com.au (oznet16.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.109]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA03062; Sat, 25 May 1996 04:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oznet02.ozemail.com.au (oznet02.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.124]) by oznet16.ozemail.com.au (8.7.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA10748; Sat, 25 May 1996 21:01:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from Default (slmel4p05.ozemail.com.au [203.15.163.93]) by oznet02.ozemail.com.au (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA20328; Sat, 25 May 1996 21:01:22 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199605251101.VAA20328@oznet02.ozemail.com.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Richard Lyon" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Chris Linstruth Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 20:51:29 +0000 Subject: Re: FreeBSD: SCSI hangs, panics and other failures as nntp serv Reply-to: rlyon@ozemail.com.au Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We at qnet have been attempting to use FreeBSD as a > Usenet News server for about a year. We are at this time > evaluating other alternatives because we have been unable to > achieve the stability required under this kind of load. > > Would another host adapter (Buslogic?) solve all our problems? > I have used an Adaptec 1542B SCSI adapter for many years starting with pre version 2.0 FreeBSD releases. I have a couple of hard drives and a CDROM hanging off it (All internal). The system is rock solid and never has any poblems. It sounds like there may be some sort of hardware setup problem. I assume you checked for the obvious things like interrupt clashes, port overlaps, DMA channel setup, synchronous negotiation, parity checking, scsi terminators, etc ... ??? Also I assume you have tried more than more than 1542 card to check that it is not just a faulty board. I seem to remember the only real problem we experienced was selecting the correct wait states in the bios setup. Initially the machine experienced random crashes until we got this right. A good simple check is to see if something like DOS runs OK on the SCSI hard disk over a few hours. Also the 1542 manual has some good tips and should be read very carefully. FreeBSD works perfectly well with the Adaptec 1542B card!! I am currently running FSB 2.1R on a 33MHz 486 with a 1542B. I have not customised the kernel in any way. Regards ... From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 25 06:02:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA17418 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 25 May 1996 06:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guitar.qnet.com (guitar.qnet.com [204.107.78.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA17386; Sat, 25 May 1996 06:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cello (cello.qnet.com [204.107.78.2]) by guitar.qnet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA26620; Sat, 25 May 1996 06:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 06:02:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Linstruth X-Sender: cjl@cello To: rlyon@ozemail.com.au cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD: SCSI hangs, panics and other failures as nntp serv In-Reply-To: <199605251101.VAA20328@oznet02.ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are you processing 200000 Usenet articles a day? And supporting readers? I'm certain we wouldn't be seeing any problems if the load wasn't so stressful. At least not as often. It's not that the system doesn't run. It's been up almost 4 days on this boot. A crash is inevitable though. Thanks. Chris Linstruth - cjl@qnet.com On Sat, 25 May 1996, Richard Lyon wrote: > > We at qnet have been attempting to use FreeBSD as a > > Usenet News server for about a year. We are at this time > > evaluating other alternatives because we have been unable to > > achieve the stability required under this kind of load. > > > > > Would another host adapter (Buslogic?) solve all our problems? > > > > I have used an Adaptec 1542B SCSI adapter for many years starting with > pre version 2.0 FreeBSD releases. I have a couple of hard drives and > a CDROM hanging off it (All internal). The system is rock solid and never has any > poblems. > > It sounds like there may be some sort of hardware setup problem. I > assume you checked for the obvious things like interrupt clashes, > port overlaps, DMA channel setup, synchronous negotiation, parity > checking, scsi terminators, etc ... ??? Also I assume you have tried more than more > than 1542 card to check that it is not just a faulty board. > > I seem to remember the only real problem we experienced was selecting > the correct wait states in the bios setup. Initially the machine experienced random > crashes until we got this right. > > A good simple check is to see if something like DOS runs OK on the > SCSI hard disk over a few hours. Also the 1542 manual has some good tips and should be > read very carefully. > > FreeBSD works perfectly well with the Adaptec 1542B card!! I am > currently running FSB 2.1R on a 33MHz 486 with a 1542B. I have not > customised the kernel in any way. > > Regards ... > From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 25 07:16:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA25185 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 25 May 1996 07:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from black.gensys.com (black.gensys.com [206.109.98.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25150; Sat, 25 May 1996 07:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jhupp@localhost) by black.gensys.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA07143; Sat, 25 May 1996 09:15:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Hupp Message-Id: <199605251415.JAA07143@black.gensys.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD: SCSI hangs, panics and other failures as nntp serv To: cjl@qnet.com (Chris Linstruth) Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 09:15:50 -0500 (CDT) Cc: rlyon@ozemail.com.au, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Chris Linstruth" at May 25, 96 06:02:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chris Linstruth shaped the electrons to the following form: : Are you processing 200000 Usenet articles a day? And supporting : readers? Yes and yes. $uptime 9:09AM up 18 days, 10:55, 1 user, load averages: 1.22, 1.50, 1.78 $readers 22 $ : : I'm certain we wouldn't be seeing any problems if the load wasn't : so stressful. At least not as often. : : It's not that the system doesn't run. It's been up almost 4 days on : this boot. A crash is inevitable though. : The above system is a 486DX-100 with 32 Meg RAM, running 2.1-STABLE. It has a 20 Gig array on an adaptec VLB controller using the CCD driver. It's only been up 18 days because the other sysadmin hit the wrong reset button 18 day, 10 hours, and 55 minute ago.... If you are crashing that often, you aren't running -STABLE, you have something misconfigured in your BIOS chip set settings, or you have some problem hardware. -- Windows '95 ~ Never has so much done so little for so many. Jeff Hupp PGP Public Key available at http://gensys.com or on the key servers