From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Oct 13 09:41:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA24149 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 09:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.interpath.com (babbleon@mercury.interpath.com [199.72.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24143 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 09:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from babbleon@localhost) by mercury.interpath.com (8.6.12/v1.0) id MAA18476 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:41:09 -0400 From: "Brian T. Schellenberger - Personal Account" Message-Id: <199610131641.MAA18476@mercury.interpath.com> Subject: Working PCMCIA/CD-ROM/Modem/ethernet? To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hardware) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:41:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a laptop. Not wanting to repeat earlier mistakes, I want to get a PCMCIA cards and devices that will WORK with my o/s of choice without having to go to a lot of extra bother. So . . . I have a "one Type III or two type II" PCMCIA on my machine, a Prostar 9400. Questions . . . - Are there differences in PCMCIA slots on the machine that might possibly render the FreeBSD drivers unusable regardless? - If so, how can I find out if they wil work? - What versions of FreeBSD support what cards? And, most centrally, - I'd like to know of the exact brands being used by anybody who is actually running FreeBSD (preferably production versions) with a PCMCIA card or cards with the following devices attached: - CD-ROM (essential) - 28.8 modem - ethernet Thanks. -- Brian T. Schellenberger, the Man from Babble-On. "Someday I'll get around to importing all the cool quotes from my other account's .sig files." http://mercury.interpath.com/~babbleon From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Oct 13 16:00:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA10463 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 16:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail4.microsoft.com (mail4.microsoft.com [131.107.3.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10458 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 16:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail4.microsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.24) id <01BBB91F.90EC9890@mail4.microsoft.com>; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 15:59:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: Thomas Pfenning To: "'Brian T. Schellenberger - Personal Account'" , "'freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: RE: Working PCMCIA/CD-ROM/Modem/ethernet? Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 16:00:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.24 Encoding: 56 TEXT Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have made a good experience with the IBM Credit Card Adapter Ethernet II. The good thing about this card is that it is actually supported with a standalone driver ze0 on the boot disk. The driver is somewhat slow but you only need it for bootstrapping. Once you have FreeBSD installed and configure the PCCARD drivers it works very nicely with the ed driver which is rock solid and supports multicast. Performance on my laptop is around 800KB/s which is not bad for a PCcard. For pccard suport have a look at http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/PAO/. In case that matters for you, it also works out of the box with WinNT4.0 and Win95:-) >-----Original Message----- >From: Brian T. Schellenberger - Personal Account >[SMTP:babbleon@mercury.interpath.com] >Sent: Sunday, October 13, 1996 9:41 AM >To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Working PCMCIA/CD-ROM/Modem/ethernet? > > >I have a laptop. Not wanting to repeat earlier mistakes, I want to get >a PCMCIA cards and devices that will WORK with my o/s of choice without >having to go to a lot of extra bother. > >So . . . > >I have a "one Type III or two type II" PCMCIA on my machine, a >Prostar 9400. > >Questions . . . > > - Are there differences in PCMCIA slots on the machine that might > possibly render the FreeBSD drivers unusable regardless? > - If so, how can I find out if they wil work? > - What versions of FreeBSD support what cards? > >And, most centrally, > > - I'd like to know of the exact brands being used by anybody who is > actually running FreeBSD (preferably production versions) with a > PCMCIA card or cards with the following devices attached: > - CD-ROM (essential) > - 28.8 modem > - ethernet > >Thanks. > >-- >Brian T. Schellenberger, the Man from Babble-On. > >"Someday I'll get around to importing all the cool quotes from my other >account's .sig files." http://mercury.interpath.com/~babbleon From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Oct 13 22:56:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA28703 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwnexus.wa.com (nwnexus.wa.com [192.135.191.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28694 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com by nwnexus.wa.com with SMTP id AA24273 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:56:15 -0700 Received: from statsci.com [206.63.206.4] with smtp by main.statsci.com with smtp (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0vCg0c-0003wGC; Sun, 13 Oct 96 22:56 PDT Message-Id: To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <4295.845272574.1@statsci.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:56:14 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi- Well, my Quantum Empire 1400S finally decided to stop spinning up...I've noticed that it seems to take several hits of the reset button before it would spin up and after turning it off yesterday, it just won't spin up. Now, when I turn it on, I hear three little rumbles while it tries to spin. Any idea if there is a reasonable remedy? Should I just smack it around a bit? Other suggestions? (no, I don't have that much experience trouble shooting hardware problems...:-)). Maybe I should give Quantum a call first... Thanx, Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 00:22:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA06032 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06021 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id AAA10333; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA17568; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610140722.AAA17568@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Scott Blachowicz cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 13 Oct 96 22:56:14 -0700. Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:22:25 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Well, my Quantum Empire 1400S finally decided to stop spinning up...I've >noticed that it seems to take several hits of the reset button before it would >spin up and after turning it off yesterday, it just won't spin up. Now, when I >turn it on, I hear three little rumbles while it tries to spin. Any idea if >there is a reasonable remedy? Should I just smack it around a bit? Other >suggestions? (no, I don't have that much experience trouble shooting hardware >problems...:-)). Maybe I should give Quantum a call first... The Quantum folks were pretty accomodating when I had a drive go bad. I thought it had a two year warranty (at least the place I bought it from *claimed* it did). When, in fact, it was sold as an OEM drive that only came with a year warranty. It was several months over a year, but they replaced it for free, anyway. On the other hand, it was clearly stamped as a refurbished unit, and definitely being a different drive, I didn't get my data back. (In my case, there was really nothing to get back except scrambled bits, anyway; but your case may be different.) But that replacement unit is still running today, almost a year later. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 00:27:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA06259 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06253 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA14109; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:56:46 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610140726.QAA14109@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: your mail To: scott@statsci.com (Scott Blachowicz) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:56:46 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Scott Blachowicz" at Oct 13, 96 10:56:14 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Scott Blachowicz stands accused of saying: > Well, my Quantum Empire 1400S finally decided to stop spinning > up...I've noticed that it seems to take several hits of the reset > button before it would spin up and after turning it off yesterday, > it just won't spin up. Now, when I turn it on, I hear three little > rumbles while it tries to spin. Geez. Sounds like they're still building sticky drives. I don't like Quantum for just that reason. Your best bet is to take the drive out of the chassis and unplug it completely. Hold it level in the air in front of you from above (over something soft in case you drop it), and twist it _sharply_ around the spindle axis. (You are trying to make the platters inside turn a little to unstick the heads). Then reattach the power connector and power up and see if it spins. You may have to to the twist just after you apply power to get it going. As soon as you get it spinning, back it up and start talking about warranty. Note that turning your system off at the end of every day leads to just this sort of problem. If you can leave it running 24/7 and just power your monitor down (or use a 'green' screesaver mode) you will find that things last a _lot_ longer. > Scott Blachowicz -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 00:58:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA08736 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mccomm.nl (root@gatekeeper.mccomm.nl [193.67.87.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08731 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 00:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpserver.mccomm.nl (hpserver [193.67.87.13]) by mccomm.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04715; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:56:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199610140856.JAA04715@mccomm.nl> Received: by hpserver.mccomm.nl (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA21590; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:56:38 +0200 From: Rob Schofield Subject: Dead quantum story To: scott@statsci.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org (Hardware list at FreeBSD) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 9:56:38 METDST In-Reply-To: ; from "Scott Blachowicz" at Oct 13, 96 10:56 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, my Quantum Empire 1400S finally decided to stop spinning up...I've > noticed that it seems to take several hits of the reset button before it would > spin up and after turning it off yesterday, it just won't spin up. Now, when I > turn it on, I hear three little rumbles while it tries to spin. Any idea if > there is a reasonable remedy? Should I just smack it around a bit? Other > suggestions? (no, I don't have that much experience trouble shooting hardware > problems...:-)). Maybe I should give Quantum a call first... > > Thanx, > Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) I am reminded of a rather ancient Goon show joke: "Dear sir, My dog has taken to lying on his back with his legs in the air. He has been like this for three days now. What's wrong? Confused of Fetcham, Surrey" "Dear Confused, Your dog is dead. The Doctor" Sorry about the irrelevancy of this, people, but I couldn't resist.... ;^) Actually, on a more serious note: it sounds like a dead spindle bearing, which is usually terminal. You can recover from a dead controller on the disk by cannibalising another, but when the mechanicals go west, you've had it (even if you get the can open to look, just opening it will deposit so much large-dimension dust on teh surface that you would head crash badly if it ever re-started). I have only successfully once got out of this; I had a Seagate, horizontally mounted, do something similar. I took it out of the machine and stood it on it's side so the platter was in teh vertical plane. This allowed the disk to come up just long enough to get most of my data off before I started getting sync and other such errors. Rob Schofield -- Witticisms are hard to define on Monday mornings... schofiel@xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~schofiel rschof@mccomm.nl From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 02:22:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA16506 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 02:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA16499 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 02:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA15286; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:50:31 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610140920.SAA15286@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Dead quantum story To: rschof@mccomm.nl (Rob Schofield) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:50:30 +0930 (CST) Cc: scott@statsci.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610140856.JAA04715@mccomm.nl> from "Rob Schofield" at Oct 14, 96 09:56:38 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rob Schofield stands accused of saying: > > Sorry about the irrelevancy of this, people, but I couldn't resist.... > ;^) You get that, but watch it; there are lots of people here with hairy disk stories 8) > Actually, on a more serious note: it sounds like a dead spindle > bearing, which is usually terminal. You can recover from a dead > controller on the disk by cannibalising another, but when the > mechanicals go west, you've had it (even if you get the can open to > look, just opening it will deposit so much large-dimension dust on teh > surface that you would head crash badly if it ever re-started). This is just not true. I would not want to run a disk that I'd breached for any length of time with critical data on it, but I have and you can, provided you understand what you're doing, you are very careful, and very lucky 8) > I have only successfully once got out of this; I had a Seagate, > horizontally mounted, do something similar. I took it out of the > machine and stood it on it's side so the platter was in teh vertical > plane. This allowed the disk to come up just long enough to get most > of my data off before I started getting sync and other such errors. Normally, once you get the disk spinning it will keep spinning; the spindle motor just doesn't have the low-rpm torque to get going in the first place. I have an old Quantum LP105 with serious stiction; the heads move too far in to the centre of the disk when parking and get stuck. The screws on the top cover have been replaced at least once now because they became too dog-eared 8). I've temporarily fixed it with electrical tape, but I expect that to fail fairly soon & I'm a bit worried about vapour from the tape adhesive, but the disk was a freebie so who really cares? > Rob Schofield -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 02:41:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA17532 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 02:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA17517 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 02:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA18967; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:38:53 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA16267; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:44:27 +0100 Message-Id: <199610140944.KAA16267@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:44:26 +0100 From: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Cc: scott@statsci.com (Scott Blachowicz), freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199610140726.QAA14109@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au>; from Michael Smith on Oct 14, 1996 16:56:46 +0930 References: <199610140726.QAA14109@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith writes: > Scott Blachowicz stands accused of saying: > > > Well, my Quantum Empire 1400S finally decided to stop spinning > > up...I've noticed that it seems to take several hits of the reset > > button before it would spin up and after turning it off yesterday, > > it just won't spin up. Now, when I turn it on, I hear three little > > rumbles while it tries to spin. > > Geez. Sounds like they're still building sticky drives. I don't like > Quantum for just that reason. I'm having exactly this problem here with my Quantum Grand Prix 4GB drive. I tried the 'twist trick' several times already to no avail. The select led is lit at the beginning of the NCR BIOS probe for a couple of secs, then follow short flashes 2/sec and after a minute or so the NCR Bios writes Quantum XP. At least it detects the drive but it doesn't spin up. I will try again that that twist trick maybe running a Chubby Checker record in the background 'Let's twist again'.. ;-) > > Your best bet is to take the drive out of the chassis and unplug it > completely. Hold it level in the air in front of you from above (over > something soft in case you drop it), and twist it _sharply_ around the > spindle axis. (You are trying to make the platters inside turn a little > to unstick the heads). Then reattach the power connector and power up > and see if it spins. > > You may have to to the twist just after you apply power to get it > going. As soon as you get it spinning, back it up and start talking > about warranty. > > Note that turning your system off at the end of every day leads to > just this sort of problem. If you can leave it running 24/7 and > just power your monitor down (or use a 'green' screesaver mode) you > will find that things last a _lot_ longer. > > > Scott Blachowicz > > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ > ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ -- --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 04:01:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA21254 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 04:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.winc.com (root@home.winc.com [204.178.182.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA21247; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 04:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.aristar.com (slip125.winc.com [204.178.182.125]) by home.winc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA05844; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 07:00:59 -0400 Message-ID: <32621DC1.41C67EA6@aristar.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 07:02:25 -0400 From: "Matthew A. Gessner" Organization: Aristar, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roddie Hasan CC: hackers , FreeBSD Hardware group Subject: Re: AMD 586 runs FreeBSD just FINE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Roddie Hasan wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > > I just bought one of those them there fancy shmancy CPU upgrades. I > > had an Intel 486/DX266 and upgraded to a AMD 586/133 from Ganberry via > > Micro Warehouse. For $140 I have a machine that runs about 2.5 x > > faster! > > I'm thinking of throwing one of those boards in my machine. (I currently > have a DX266 also). What did you set your cpu type to in the kernel > settings? I would assume 486, but I want to make sure. > > Ciao, Roddie I didn't change A THING! I just stuck the new CPU in the socket and rebooted. Pretty awesome. -- Matthew Gessner, Computer Scientist, Aristar, Inc. 302 N. Cleveland-Massillon Rd. Akron, OH 44333 Voice (330) 668-2267, Fax (330) 668-2961 From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 04:51:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA23172 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 04:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whale.gu.kiev.ua (whale.gu.kiev.ua [193.124.51.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA23158; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 04:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from creator.gu.kiev.ua (stesin@creator.gu.kiev.ua [193.124.51.73]) by whale.gu.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA80162; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:47:48 +0300 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:47:45 +0300 (EET DST) From: Andrew Stesin X-Sender: stesin@creator.gu.kiev.ua To: "Matthew A. Gessner" cc: Roddie Hasan , hackers , FreeBSD Hardware group Subject: Re: AMD 586 runs FreeBSD just FINE In-Reply-To: <32621DC1.41C67EA6@aristar.com> Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Matthew A. Gessner wrote: > I didn't change A THING! I just stuck the new CPU in the socket and > rebooted. Pretty awesome. I think that this approach isn't too general. When a week ago I replaced an old non-Enhanced AMD 2/66 with AMD 5x133, I was forced to change many jumper settings on the board, according to it's manual... -- Best, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 06:13:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA26281 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA26273; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA23662; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:05:18 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610141305.IAA23662@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: AMD 586 runs FreeBSD just FINE To: stesin@gu.net (Andrew Stesin) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:05:18 -0500 (CDT) Cc: mgessner@aristar.com, roddie@ki.net, hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Stesin" at Oct 14, 96 02:47:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Matthew A. Gessner wrote: > > > I didn't change A THING! I just stuck the new CPU in the socket and > > rebooted. Pretty awesome. > > I think that this approach isn't too general. When a week > ago I replaced an old non-Enhanced AMD 2/66 with AMD 5x133, > I was forced to change many jumper settings on the board, > according to it's manual... That's odd (I think)... I upgraded an ASUS SP3G board from a DX2/66 to a DX5/133 without a single jumper change... from the SP3G's point of view it was a _real_ fast DX2/66 :-) Dunno. ... JG From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 06:28:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA27113 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimbus.superior.net (root@nimbus.superior.net [206.153.96.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27106 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from exidor@localhost) by nimbus.superior.net (8.7.6/8.7.5) id JAA16747; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199610141328.JAA16747@nimbus.superior.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:28:24 -0400 From: exidor@nimbus.superior.net (Christopher Masto) To: scott@statsci.com (Scott Blachowicz) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Quantum sticktion In-Reply-To: ; from Scott Blachowicz on Oct 13, 1996 22:56:14 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Scott Blachowicz writes: > Well, my Quantum Empire 1400S finally decided to stop spinning up...I've > noticed that it seems to take several hits of the reset button before it would > spin up and after turning it off yesterday, it just won't spin up. Now, when I > turn it on, I hear three little rumbles while it tries to spin. Any idea if > there is a reasonable remedy? Should I just smack it around a bit? Other > suggestions? (no, I don't have that much experience trouble shooting hardware > problems...:-)). Maybe I should give Quantum a call first... If it's actually a case of stiction and the drive is out of warranty, and you've tried twisting it sharply with no luck, and you don't want to take it apart.. You can try the method that works on an old 105LPS that I have. Whack it with the handle of a screwdriver. If that doesn't work, whack it harder and turn it on at the same time. Have fun :-) -- / Christopher Masto \ / Superior Net Services \ / Your vote counts \ | exidor@superior.net | | $24.95/month unlimited use | | Support free speech | \ Programmer/Tech / \ http://www.superior.net/ / \ HappyNet for all / From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 06:39:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA27664 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27644; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fakir.india.hp.com by hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA065350353; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:39:17 -0700 Received: from localhost by fakir.india.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA107472262; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 19:11:02 +0500 Message-Id: <199610141411.AA107472262@fakir.india.hp.com> To: Joe Greco Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD 586 runs FreeBSD just FINE In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:05:18 EST." <199610141305.IAA23662@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 19:11:02 +0500 From: A JOSEPH KOSHY Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>> "Joe Greco" writes > That's odd (I think)... I upgraded an ASUS SP3G board from a DX2/66 > to a DX5/133 without a single jumper change... from the SP3G's point > of view it was a _real_ fast DX2/66 :-) I've been running an Am5x86 for some months now on a SiS motherboard. Replacing CPU's isn't generally as simply as dropping in a new CPU over the old one. For example: a) The Am5x86 supports a write-back L1 cache; since most 486's offer a write-thru L1 cache your motherboard needs to understand enough of the AMD bus protocol to allow the chip to work correctly in the presence of other bus masters etc. b) Further, since the chip is overclocked wrt to the system bus, the motherboard needs to feed the correct clock frequencies to the chip. c) Then there is the matter of supply voltages; some of the newer chips run off 3.3 and 3.45 Volts while the older 486's ran off 5V. The motherboard needs to know the right voltage levels to feed the CPU. d) Finally there are pins on some of the newer chips that have defined functionality now which were earlier N/Cs. An example would be the extra pins needed to support cache snooping with a write-back cache in the CPU. The motherboard needs to drive these correctly. Thus some form of jumpering is the norm when changing CPUs. Esp. in case (c) above. Koshy From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 06:46:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA27937 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27932 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA15846 for hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:16:38 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610141346.XAA15846@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Identify this SCSI thing? To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:16:38 +0930 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy; I was wondering if among all the collectors of odd junk out there someone could tell me what the following is : Hewlett Packard 88396 SCSI/parallel interface. It's a small plastic unit about 150mm x 100mm x 25mm, with a 50-way SCSI connector on one end and a DB25 on the other, with markings indicating that these are the SCSI bus and parallel interface respectively. Inside is a 6809 and a 5380 in a fairly vanilla arrangement. Putting it on a SCSI bus doesn't do much; the "online" LED goes out for a moment when you plug it in but it doesn't show up when you probe the bus. My guess is either that it's a SCSI adapter for computers with only parallel ports for talking to HP scanners, or it's dead... -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 08:11:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA02657 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02651 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA12998; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:11:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610141511.IAA12998@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: from Scott Blachowicz at "Oct 13, 96 10:56:14 pm" To: scott@statsci.com (Scott Blachowicz) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi- > > Well, my Quantum Empire 1400S finally decided to stop spinning up...I've > noticed that it seems to take several hits of the reset button before it would > spin up and after turning it off yesterday, it just won't spin up. Now, when I > turn it on, I hear three little rumbles while it tries to spin. Any idea if > there is a reasonable remedy? Should I just smack it around a bit? Other > suggestions? (no, I don't have that much experience trouble shooting hardware > problems...:-)). Maybe I should give Quantum a call first... Give Quantum a call, this drive model should still be under warranty, unless it was an OEM unit. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 08:16:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA02961 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02956 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:16:46 -0700 (PDT) From: fweber@ix.netcom.com Received: from stl-mo6-19.ix.netcom.com (stl-mo6-19.ix.netcom.com [204.31.116.211]) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA21952 for hardware@freeBSD.org; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:16:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:16:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com: Host stl-mo6-19.ix.netcom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: hardware@freeBSD.org Message-Id: <19961014102652241@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: NETCOMplete v3.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hardware@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubcribe hardware@freeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 08:59:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA05951 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05939 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: fweber@ix.netcom.com Received: from stl-mo6-19.ix.netcom.com (stl-mo6-19.ix.netcom.com [204.31.116.211]) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA22071 for hardware@freeBSD.org; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:58:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:58:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com: Host stl-mo6-19.ix.netcom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: hardware@freeBSD.org Message-Id: <1996101411933211478@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: NETCOMplete v3.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hardware@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe hardware@freeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 09:12:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA07108 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwnexus.wa.com (nwnexus.wa.com [192.135.191.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07103 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com by nwnexus.wa.com with SMTP id AA28282 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:12:26 -0700 Received: from statsci.com [206.63.206.4] with smtp by main.statsci.com with smtp (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0vCpaI-0003wcC; Mon, 14 Oct 96 09:09 PDT Message-Id: To: Michael Smith Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: your mail References: <199610140726.QAA14109@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:56:46 +0930." <199610140726.QAA14109@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Reply-To: scott@statsci.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <24778.845309380.1@statsci.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:09:41 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > Geez. Sounds like they're still building sticky drives. I don't like > Quantum for just that reason. Geez...now he tells me...:-)). > and twist it _sharply_ around the spindle axis. (You are trying to make the > platters inside turn a little to unstick the heads). Then reattach the power > connector and power up and see if it spins. I just tried that some, to no avail. > You may have to to the twist just after you apply power to get it > going. As soon as you get it spinning, back it up and start talking > about warranty. I'm not sure how to really do that with the power and SCSI cables attached (I assume it's not safe to attach the internal SCSI connector after the drive is powered up and spinning?). > Note that turning your system off at the end of every day leads to > just this sort of problem. If you can leave it running 24/7 and > just power your monitor down (or use a 'green' screesaver mode) you > will find that things last a _lot_ longer. Yup...that's exactly what I generally do (except that I sometimes shut the system off when we have thunder storms, just to apply a proper amount of paranoia to the process). Hmmm...bet a UPS would be a good insurance policy to avoid that. Ah well...off to give Quantum a call... Thanx, Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 09:34:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA08508 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from interlink.ReyMoreno.net.co ([205.218.236.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08471; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from interlink.reymoreno.net.co (pppC8.ReyMoreno.net.co [205.218.237.45]) by interlink.ReyMoreno.net.co (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA29090; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:30:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:30:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199610141830.LAA29090@interlink.ReyMoreno.net.co> X-Sender: mcalder@205.218.236.10 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Matthew A. Gessner" , Roddie Hasan From: Mauricio Calderon Subject: Re: AMD 586 runs FreeBSD just FINE Cc: hackers , FreeBSD Hardware group Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, At present I have a Hard disk with FreeBSD on a 486/DX266. I want to configure it in a machine 386/33, but when I reboot the system report me incompatibility (and show me some option but never can use those)and reboot each 10 seconds. Can I use the disk on the 386/33 machine? Rgds, Mauricio Calderon At 07:02 AM 10/14/96 -0400, Matthew A. Gessner wrote: >Roddie Hasan wrote: >> >> Hi Matt, >> >> > I just bought one of those them there fancy shmancy CPU upgrades. I >> > had an Intel 486/DX266 and upgraded to a AMD 586/133 from Ganberry via >> > Micro Warehouse. For $140 I have a machine that runs about 2.5 x >> > faster! >> >> I'm thinking of throwing one of those boards in my machine. (I currently >> have a DX266 also). What did you set your cpu type to in the kernel >> settings? I would assume 486, but I want to make sure. >> >> Ciao, Roddie > >I didn't change A THING! I just stuck the new CPU in the socket and >rebooted. Pretty awesome. > >-- >Matthew Gessner, Computer Scientist, >Aristar, Inc. >302 N. Cleveland-Massillon Rd. >Akron, OH 44333 >Voice (330) 668-2267, Fax (330) 668-2961 > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 09:57:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA10411 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tbd.gfoster.com ([204.157.123.237]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10402 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by tbd.gfoster.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA01731; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:57:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Glen Foster Message-Id: <199610141657.MAA01731@tbd.gfoster.com> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: (message from Scott Blachowicz on Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:09:41 -0700) Subject: Re: sticky drives (was: your mail) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In all this talk of "twisting" drives (which has never worked for me) has anybody mentioned sticking the thing in the freezer overnight? I have resurrected a couple of stiction'd drives this way (but it doesn't always work). Glen Foster From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 10:14:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA11647 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11641 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.6/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA21206; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610141715.KAA21206@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Glen Foster cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: sticky drives (was: your mail) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:57:05 EDT." <199610141657.MAA01731@tbd.gfoster.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:15:36 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >In all this talk of "twisting" drives (which has never worked for me) >has anybody mentioned sticking the thing in the freezer overnight? I >have resurrected a couple of stiction'd drives this way (but it >doesn't always work). This is extremely dangerous, BTW. When you take the drive out of the freezer, condensation may form on the platters as the drive heats up. Conversely, frost may form on the platters as the drive drops below freezing. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 10:56:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA13677 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwnexus.wa.com (nwnexus.wa.com [192.135.191.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13670 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com by nwnexus.wa.com with SMTP id AA15688 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:55:45 -0700 Received: from statsci.com [206.63.206.4] with smtp by main.statsci.com with smtp (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0vCqw0-0003wsC; Mon, 14 Oct 96 10:36 PDT Message-Id: To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail References: <199610141511.IAA12998@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 14 Oct 1996 08:11:01 -0700." <199610141511.IAA12998@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Reply-To: scott@statsci.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <28192.845314571.1@statsci.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:36:11 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > Well, my Quantum Empire 1400S finally decided to stop spinning up...I've > Give Quantum a call, this drive model should still be under warranty, Ah...so it is. Got the return authorization and off it goes...now all I gotta do is find a good box to put it in... Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 11:02:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA13934 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from becker1.u.washington.edu (spaz@becker1.u.washington.edu [140.142.12.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13929; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spaz@localhost) by becker1.u.washington.edu (8.7.5+UW96.10/8.7.3+UW96.10) with SMTP id LAA20077; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:02:34 -0700 (PDT) From: John Utz To: Mauricio Calderon cc: hackers , FreeBSD Hardware group Subject: Re: AMD 586 runs FreeBSD just FINE In-Reply-To: <199610141830.LAA29090@interlink.ReyMoreno.net.co> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there; trimmed the individuals out because they will see it on hackers anyway.. probably not really appropriate to post questions like this to hackers, supposed to go to questions. i may be reinforcing a bad trait, but anyway! On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Mauricio Calderon wrote: > Hi, > > At present I have a Hard disk with FreeBSD on a 486/DX266. I want to > configure it in a machine 386/33, but when I reboot the system report me > incompatibility (and show me some option but never can use those)and reboot > each 10 seconds. > > Can I use the disk on the 386/33 machine? The problem is not going to be with the disk per se. The x86 architecture is pretty cpu insensitive by design. It should work, provided that the 386 has a non-funky ( ie not one of those elaborate caching, expensive add on ) ide controller. If u are using the controller built into the board ( assuming it has one, some do, some dont, i own both ), then it should be just fine. I am assuming that what you did was simply yank the disk with freebsd on it out of one machine and plop it in another, right? If so, did u make a custom kernel or are u still using a generic kernel? The first thing that came to my mind when i read your post was that you had a 386 without the companion 387 math-co to go with it, and your kernel has been recompiled with the math emulation removed ( remember, a 486 is simply a 386 and a 387 on the same chip, with a shared 8k cache included ). cant really help you beyond that. I would suggest that if you are just using the generic kernel, then i dont really have any other ideas beyond reinstalling from scratch. I also submit that if the dang thing has no math-coprocessor u should go get one. Go to a used computer store, they should be cheap there. It will make life much simpler. and faster. An 4.77 mhz 8088 with an 8087 does the same math 4 times faster then a 12 mhz 80286 with out one! And if u are planning to run X on this guy, you *will* be doing math every time a window is created or resized. If u have dos-5 or greater on the machine, try running MSD and see what it tells you the machine has on it. if u see the chip, but msd sez u have none, then there is an enabling jumper on the board that has not been set. much luck! > Rgds, > > Mauricio Calderon > > At 07:02 AM 10/14/96 -0400, Matthew A. Gessner wrote: > >Roddie Hasan wrote: > >> > >> Hi Matt, > >> > >> > I just bought one of those them there fancy shmancy CPU upgrades. I > >> > had an Intel 486/DX266 and upgraded to a AMD 586/133 from Ganberry via > >> > Micro Warehouse. For $140 I have a machine that runs about 2.5 x > >> > faster! > >> > >> I'm thinking of throwing one of those boards in my machine. (I currently > >> have a DX266 also). What did you set your cpu type to in the kernel > >> settings? I would assume 486, but I want to make sure. > >> > >> Ciao, Roddie > > > >I didn't change A THING! I just stuck the new CPU in the socket and > >rebooted. Pretty awesome. > > > >-- > >Matthew Gessner, Computer Scientist, > >Aristar, Inc. > >302 N. Cleveland-Massillon Rd. > >Akron, OH 44333 > >Voice (330) 668-2267, Fax (330) 668-2961 > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* John Utz spaz@u.washington.edu idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 14:14:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA26049 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26043 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA14453; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:13:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610142113.OAA14453@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: sticky drives (was: your mail) In-Reply-To: <199610141715.KAA21206@root.com> from David Greenman at "Oct 14, 96 10:15:36 am" To: dg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: gfoster@gfoster.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >In all this talk of "twisting" drives (which has never worked for me) > >has anybody mentioned sticking the thing in the freezer overnight? I > >have resurrected a couple of stiction'd drives this way (but it > >doesn't always work). > > This is extremely dangerous, BTW. When you take the drive out of the > freezer, condensation may form on the platters as the drive heats up. > Conversely, frost may form on the platters as the drive drops below freezing. This is absolutely true, dropping a drive below 0 deg C is a sure fire way to damage it. Even the non-operating temp spec on almost all mfg's disk is +5 C on the lower end. Having done MIL-SPEC drive work that had to operate over -55 to +125 C the actual hardest part of this range was the -5 to +5 C range, condensation being a real killer. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 15:16:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA29526 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29515; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.7.6/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA16861; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610142213.QAA16861@rover.village.org> To: "Matthew A. Gessner" Subject: Re: AMD 586 runs FreeBSD just FINE Cc: Roddie Hasan , hackers , FreeBSD Hardware group In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 14 Oct 1996 07:02:25 EDT." <32621DC1.41C67EA6@aristar.com> References: <32621DC1.41C67EA6@aristar.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:13:32 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : I didn't change A THING! I just stuck the new CPU in the socket and : rebooted. Pretty awesome. How does this impact the worldstones? Eg, what was the make world time before and after. If your machine is like my '66, then you've likely been seeing 10ish hour make world times. I really doubt that the new CPU will reduce it to 4hr make world times (ref your earlier posting about it being 2.5x faster). BTW, it looks like to my untrained eye, I can put together a TYAN II 133MHz P5 + 32M + Matrox + Adaptech 29940UW + UW 4G 7200rpm SCSI disk for $2000 (no monitor). Can I get a similar config for less? I've not seen one in the system houses (they don't tend to use TYAN mother boards). Warner From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 15:35:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA01590 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Rigel.orionsys.com (root@rigel.orionsys.com [205.148.224.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01580 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dbabler@localhost) by Rigel.orionsys.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA18121; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:34:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Babler To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sticky drives (was: your mail) In-Reply-To: <199610142113.OAA14453@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > This is extremely dangerous, BTW. When you take the drive out of the > > freezer, condensation may form on the platters as the drive heats up. > > Conversely, frost may form on the platters as the drive drops below freezing. > > This is absolutely true, dropping a drive below 0 deg C is a sure fire > way to damage it. Even the non-operating temp spec on almost all mfg's > disk is +5 C on the lower end. Having done MIL-SPEC drive work that > had to operate over -55 to +125 C the actual hardest part of this range > was the -5 to +5 C range, condensation being a real killer. Isn't the chamber where the platters reside hermetically sealed? If so, how would moisture be there to condense in the first place? -Dave From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 15:44:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02384 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02377 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA14956; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:44:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610142244.PAA14956@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: sticky drives (was: your mail) In-Reply-To: from Dave Babler at "Oct 14, 96 03:34:48 pm" To: dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com (Dave Babler) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > This is extremely dangerous, BTW. When you take the drive out of the > > > freezer, condensation may form on the platters as the drive heats up. > > > Conversely, frost may form on the platters as the drive drops below freezing. > > > > This is absolutely true, dropping a drive below 0 deg C is a sure fire > > way to damage it. Even the non-operating temp spec on almost all mfg's > > disk is +5 C on the lower end. Having done MIL-SPEC drive work that > > had to operate over -55 to +125 C the actual hardest part of this range > > was the -5 to +5 C range, condensation being a real killer. > > Isn't the chamber where the platters reside hermetically sealed? If so, > how would moisture be there to condense in the first place? They are not hermetically sealed, they have a bidirection presure release and filter valve. Look very closely at your disk drives. If they did not do this (and the tried) the cases would blow apart when ship via unpressearized air freight at someplace close to 22K feet MSL. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 17:09:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA07771 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07766 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA16893; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:39:07 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610150009.JAA16893@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: sticky drives (was: your mail) To: dg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:39:06 +0930 (CST) Cc: gfoster@gfoster.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610141715.KAA21206@root.com> from "David Greenman" at Oct 14, 96 10:15:36 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Greenman stands accused of saying: > > >In all this talk of "twisting" drives (which has never worked for me) > >has anybody mentioned sticking the thing in the freezer overnight? I > >have resurrected a couple of stiction'd drives this way (but it > >doesn't always work). > > This is extremely dangerous, BTW. When you take the drive out of the > freezer, condensation may form on the platters as the drive heats up. > Conversely, frost may form on the platters as the drive drops below freezing. Yup. It's actually a moderately popular solution around here in the summer months (very dry), but you have to make sure you seal the drive airtight before freezing it. I'd be inclined to rate it at about the same level of risk as opening the unit. > David Greenman -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 14 21:19:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA24376 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 21:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24370 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 21:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA18931; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:49:15 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610150419.NAA18931@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: sticky drives (was: your mail) To: dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com (Dave Babler) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:49:14 +0930 (CST) Cc: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Dave Babler" at Oct 14, 96 03:34:48 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dave Babler stands accused of saying: > > This is absolutely true, dropping a drive below 0 deg C is a sure fire > > way to damage it. Even the non-operating temp spec on almost all mfg's > > disk is +5 C on the lower end. Having done MIL-SPEC drive work that > > had to operate over -55 to +125 C the actual hardest part of this range > > was the -5 to +5 C range, condensation being a real killer. > > Isn't the chamber where the platters reside hermetically sealed? If so, > how would moisture be there to condense in the first place? Firstly; no, the chamber is often not sealed. If you pull a drive apart you will often notice that there's a breather port with a bit of filter material stuck over it. Many drives will have some silica gel in them as well to help keep the humidity down. Secondly, the drives are usually assembled in rooms with some nominal amount of air humidity, so that even if the unit were sealed, there would still be moisture inside. > -Dave -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 15 02:48:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA20400 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 02:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA20378; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 02:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whale.gu.kiev.ua by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA24494 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Tue, 15 Oct 1996 02:37:26 -0700 Received: from creator.gu.kiev.ua (stesin@creator.gu.kiev.ua [193.124.51.73]) by whale.gu.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA98162; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:23:40 +0300 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:23:39 +0300 (EET DST) From: Andrew Stesin X-Sender: stesin@creator.gu.kiev.ua To: Joerg Wunsch Cc: FreeBSD hackers , devet@adv.IAEhv.nl Subject: Re: Direct UUCP stopped working but UUCP via PPP still works In-Reply-To: <199610150728.JAA11803@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-Id: X-Ncc-Regid: ua.gu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, J Wunsch wrote: [...] > But why only after an upgrade to 2.1.5? I thought the buggy UMC8669F > did hurt us all the way back to (at least) FreeBSD 2.0.5? [...] I also suggest to be _very_ suspicious with Winbond integrated chips (they are often met on VLB MIO cards and on not-so-recent 486 motherboards). I don't have one handy for exact chip model reference, sorry; but AFAIK ASUS SP3G motherboard is, for example, equipped with one. Just 2-3 days ago one of that Winbond chips hit me once again on a friend's machine. Mouse works fine, tests are Ok, but just anything requiring bidirectional full-duplex transfers (UUCP, SLIP, even Fidonet mailer) just doesn't work. -- Best, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 15 05:10:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA02540 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 05:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bigpuppy.newell.arlington.va.us (mcnsisdn.newell.arlington.va.us [206.27.237.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA02525 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 05:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by bigpuppy.newell.arlington.va.us (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA08815; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:04:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:04:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Newell To: Rob Schofield cc: scott@statsci.com, Hardware list at FreeBSD Subject: Re: Dead quantum story In-Reply-To: <199610140856.JAA04715@mccomm.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Rob Schofield wrote: > Actually, on a more serious note: it sounds like a dead spindle > bearing, which is usually terminal. You can recover from a dead > controller on the disk by cannibalising another, but when the > mechanicals go west, you've had it (even if you get the can open to > look, just opening it will deposit so much large-dimension dust on teh > surface that you would head crash badly if it ever re-started). I've had several drives in the past that seem to have gotten stuck for some reason or another. In one the end of the spindle was actually exposed, so I could reach in and give it a twist to get it started [sort of a jump start :-)]. In others I've been able to recover data by taking the drive out and twisting it parallel to the spindle quickly back and forth; that seemed to be enough the break the spindle free. I then IMMEDIATELY do a backup and trash the drive - drives are cheap, data usually isn't... :-)!! Much obliged, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein | | Affiliation: | are mine. You can take them or | | Address: | leave them. Flames to /dev/null. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Mike@Newell.arlington.va.us | http://www.newell.arlington.va.us | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | "Peace. It's wonderful!" Father Divine. | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 15 09:47:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA18768 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dympna (dympna.lgc.com [134.132.73.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18763 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dympna (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA16905; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:41:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:41:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Snow X-Sender: rsnow@dympna To: Michael Smith cc: dg@root.com, gfoster@gfoster.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sticky drives (was: your mail) In-Reply-To: <199610150009.JAA16893@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > David Greenman stands accused of saying: > > > > >In all this talk of "twisting" drives (which has never worked for me) > > >has anybody mentioned sticking the thing in the freezer overnight? I > > >have resurrected a couple of stiction'd drives this way (but it > > >doesn't always work). > > > > This is extremely dangerous, BTW. When you take the drive out of the > > freezer, condensation may form on the platters as the drive heats up. > > Conversely, frost may form on the platters as the drive drops below freezing. > > Yup. It's actually a moderately popular solution around here in the > summer months (very dry), but you have to make sure you seal the drive > airtight before freezing it. I'd be inclined to rate it at about the > same level of risk as opening the unit. > > > David Greenman Our solution around here is somewhat Draconian and effective. Earlier this year the SGI stiction drives started dropping like flies so we started using the following treatment: 1. Take it out and sling it around like a discus at arms length with quick stops at the end of the swing. Two varietys of this approach became prevelant. The first was slinging the drive in the horizontal plane and the other in the vertical plane. They seem about equally effective. 2. If (1) above didn't work, turn the drive on it side and DROP it from 3 inches. Try drive; Work? Yes: Great, back it up. No: Drop from 3 inches higher until either it works of something important looking falls off. BTW, this isn't quite as effective on whole computers... :-) Rob Snow Sr Sys Admin Landmark Graphics Corporation > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ > ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ > From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 15 10:19:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA21608 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paloalto.access.hp.com (daemon@paloalto.access.hp.com [15.254.56.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21602 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com by paloalto.access.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA003849957; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:19:17 -0700 Received: from hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA041189956; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:19:16 -0700 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA294689955; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:19:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199610151719.AA294689955@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Reliable Quantum drives (was: Re: your mail) Reply-To: darrylo@sr.hp.com Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:19:15 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Scott Blachowicz wrote: > Michael Smith wrote: > > > Geez. Sounds like they're still building sticky drives. I don't like > > Quantum for just that reason. > > Geez...now he tells me...:-)). Quantum drives aren't all "bad". In particular, the "Atlas" series is quite good, although noisy and a bit hot (but not as hot as Seagate Barracudas). If you don't mind "average" performance (~4.5MB/sec), the old Fireball series is decent and inexpensive (I don't know how the newer/slower "Fireball TM" fares, though). I'd stay away from Empire and, maybe, Capella drives, however. -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 15 10:28:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA22402 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Rigel.orionsys.com (root@rigel.orionsys.com [205.148.224.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22396 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dbabler@localhost) by Rigel.orionsys.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA20085 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:28:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Babler To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sticky drives (was: your mail) In-Reply-To: <199610142244.PAA14956@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > This is extremely dangerous, BTW. When you take the drive out of the > > > > freezer, condensation may form on the platters as the drive heats up. > > > > Conversely, frost may form on the platters as the drive drops below freezing. > > > > > Isn't the chamber where the platters reside hermetically sealed? If so, > > how would moisture be there to condense in the first place? > > They are not hermetically sealed, they have a bidirection presure release > and filter valve. Look very closely at your disk drives. If they did > not do this (and the tried) the cases would blow apart when ship via > unpressearized air freight at someplace close to 22K feet MSL. > Given the normally controlled environment drives are supposed to operate in, that makes economic sense. I am surprised that an overpressure of 10-12 psi would rupture the case, though, on a volume that small, but then gain the castings that I've seen recently are quite thin to save material. -Dave From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 15 11:01:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA24603 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Rigel.orionsys.com (root@rigel.orionsys.com [205.148.224.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24596 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dbabler@localhost) by Rigel.orionsys.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA20118 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:01:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Babler To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sticky drives (was: your mail) In-Reply-To: <199610150419.NAA18931@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > Dave Babler stands accused of saying: > > > This is absolutely true, dropping a drive below 0 deg C is a sure fire > > > way to damage it. Even the non-operating temp spec on almost all mfg's > > > disk is +5 C on the lower end. Having done MIL-SPEC drive work that > > > had to operate over -55 to +125 C the actual hardest part of this range > > > was the -5 to +5 C range, condensation being a real killer. > > > > Isn't the chamber where the platters reside hermetically sealed? If so, > > how would moisture be there to condense in the first place? > > Firstly; no, the chamber is often not sealed. If you pull a drive > apart you will often notice that there's a breather port with a bit of > filter material stuck over it. Many drives will have some silica gel > in them as well to help keep the humidity down. I've seen that, but the one I examined looked more like a pressure relief port. > Secondly, the drives are usually assembled in rooms with some nominal > amount of air humidity, so that even if the unit were sealed, there would > still be moisture inside. > Ah, should've figured that... I was harboring the illusion that they were purged with dried argon or something . Thanks for the info, guys! -Dave From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 15 14:25:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA09641 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09636 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id QAA26251; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:17:42 -0500 Received: from dasa(192.2.2.199) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026248; Tue Oct 15 17:17:13 1996 Received: from DASA/SpoolDir by dasa.ppi.com (Mercury 1.21); 15 Oct 96 17:16:48 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by DASA (Mercury 1.30); 15 Oct 96 17:16:34 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc To: Dave Babler , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:16:32 +0500 Subject: Re: sticky drives (was: your mail) Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <76F66B727B@dasa.ppi.com> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: Dave Babler > > > On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > > > This is extremely dangerous, BTW. When you take the drive out of the > > > > > freezer, condensation may form on the platters as the drive heats up. > > > > > Conversely, frost may form on the platters as the drive drops below freezing. > > > > > > > Isn't the chamber where the platters reside hermetically sealed? If so, > > > how would moisture be there to condense in the first place? > > > > They are not hermetically sealed, they have a bidirection presure release > > and filter valve. Look very closely at your disk drives. If they did > > not do this (and the tried) the cases would blow apart when ship via > > unpressearized air freight at someplace close to 22K feet MSL. > > > > Given the normally controlled environment drives are supposed to operate > in, that makes economic sense. I am surprised that an overpressure of > 10-12 psi would rupture the case, though, on a volume that small, but then > gain the castings that I've seen recently are quite thin to save material. > > -Dave I would think it was the seals and not the case that would rupture. Then you would have a permanent "blow hole" somewhere on the drive. Seagate once had the wisdom to place one of the drive seals on the side of the drive adjacent to the mounting brackets. If the frame the drive was mounted in was too tight the seal would peal away exposing the drive to open air. I discovered this in a friend's computer because I heard a middle C "whistle" which was the air flow inside the drive blowing over the resultant hole! This may not be relevant - but it's not a bad story ;-) ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 15 14:26:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA09667 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09661 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id LAA19184; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:26:01 -1000 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:26:01 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199610152126.LAA19184@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Mike Newell "Re: Dead quantum story" (Oct 15, 8:04am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Mike Newell , Hardware list at FreeBSD Subject: Re: Dead quantum story Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } I've had several drives in the past that seem to have gotten stuck for } some reason or another. In one the end of the spindle was actually } exposed, so I could reach in and give it a twist to get it started [sort } of a jump start :-)]. In others I've been able to recover data by taking } the drive out and twisting it parallel to the spindle quickly back and } forth; that seemed to be enough the break the spindle free. I then } IMMEDIATELY do a backup and trash the drive - drives are cheap, data } usually isn't... :-)!! } I've had a number of drives that required some physical prodding to get them spinning again. Most of them are still in service -- I just mostly don't turn them off. If you intent to trash your drive(s) just because they don't always spin up then please send them to me! Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 15 16:49:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18815 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18798 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from modem.eng.umd.edu (modem.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.187]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA05710 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by modem.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA08139 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:49:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: modem.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:49:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@modem.eng.umd.edu To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: ncr 825 clone hunt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know a source of ncr 825 clones? I'm suddenly having troubles getting the one from Tyan, and I need a new scsi controller for my new smp system. Thanks! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 15 18:31:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24408 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24403 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA079099487; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:31:27 -0700 Received: from hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA109369486; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:31:26 -0700 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA001649485; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:31:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199610160131.AA001649485@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> To: Chuck Robey Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt Reply-To: darrylo@sr.hp.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:49:03 EDT." Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:31:25 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know a source of ncr 825 clones? I'm suddenly having troubles > getting the one from Tyan, and I need a new scsi controller for my new smp > system. Thanks! The only other one I know about is the Tekram DC-390W. If STefan ever gets the 875 working, you'll also be able to use the DC-390U or DC-390F (but not the plain "DC-309", which is based upon an AMD -- and not an NCR -- chip). -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 15 19:27:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA29152 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (po2.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29145 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from modem.eng.umd.edu (modem.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.187]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05702; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 22:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by modem.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA08404; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 22:27:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: modem.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 22:27:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@modem.eng.umd.edu To: darrylo@sr.hp.com cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt In-Reply-To: <199610160131.AA001649485@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Darryl Okahata wrote: > > Does anyone know a source of ncr 825 clones? I'm suddenly having troubles > > getting the one from Tyan, and I need a new scsi controller for my new smp > > system. Thanks! > > The only other one I know about is the Tekram DC-390W. > > If STefan ever gets the 875 working, you'll also be able to use the > DC-390U or DC-390F (but not the plain "DC-309", which is based upon an > AMD -- and not an NCR -- chip). I have heard that Tyan is stopping the production on their 825 based controller in favor of an 875 based one, but have had a real rocky start with the new ones. I guess I won't get a new one, then (I don't want to wait too long). > > -- Darryl Okahata > Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com > > DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not > constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the > little green men that have been following him all day. > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 15 23:50:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA14659 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 23:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14652 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 23:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA21414; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 23:48:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610160648.XAA21414@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt In-Reply-To: <199610160131.AA001649485@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> from Darryl Okahata at "Oct 15, 96 06:31:25 pm" To: darrylo@sr.hp.com Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 23:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Does anyone know a source of ncr 825 clones? I'm suddenly having troubles > > getting the one from Tyan, and I need a new scsi controller for my new smp > > system. Thanks! > > The only other one I know about is the Tekram DC-390W. > > If STefan ever gets the 875 working, you'll also be able to use the > DC-390U or DC-390F (but not the plain "DC-309", which is based upon an > AMD -- and not an NCR -- chip). Acculogic makes this card: XX. TMG ACCPCIP/20 Acculogic PCIpport-20, NCR53C825 SCSI controller $ 184.00 Note the last buy I had of them was well over a year ago... but you should still be able to get them. It includes onboard BIOS, and FW cable. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 16 02:13:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA26671 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Octopussy (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA26614 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-47.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Octopussy with SMTP id AA06291 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:10:50 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.7.6/8.6.9) id KAA03203; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:57:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199610160857.KAA03203@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:57:42 +0200 From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Oct 15, 1996 19:49:03 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chuck Robey writes: > Does anyone know a source of ncr 825 clones? I'm suddenly having troubles > getting the one from Tyan, and I need a new scsi controller for my new smp > system. Thanks! Get the Tekram DC390W (53c825A based) or go for the Ultra-WIDE DC390F (53c875 based). They seem to cost some $100 for the WIDE and $150 for the Ultra-WIDE card, and seem to be very high quality, including a BIOS setup as known from Adaptec cards. The NCR driver will soon know how to parse the card's NVRAM, and this will make it possible to configure tags, sync. rate and other options. Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 16 02:39:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA00674 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Octopussy (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA00656 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr3-14.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Octopussy with SMTP id AA08124 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:34:56 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.7.6/8.6.9) id LAA03243; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:20:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199610160920.LAA03243@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:20:10 +0200 From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) To: darrylo@sr.hp.com Cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey), freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt In-Reply-To: <199610160131.AA001649485@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com>; from Darryl Okahata on Oct 15, 1996 18:31:25 -0700 References: <199610160131.AA001649485@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Darryl Okahata writes: > > Does anyone know a source of ncr 825 clones? I'm suddenly having troubles > > getting the one from Tyan, and I need a new scsi controller for my new smp > > system. Thanks! > > The only other one I know about is the Tekram DC-390W. > > If STefan ever gets the 875 working, you'll also be able to use the > DC-390U or DC-390F (but not the plain "DC-309", which is based upon an > AMD -- and not an NCR -- chip). Please allow me to add two comments: 1) Did you try a DC390F under FreeBSD-current, recently :) 2) Tekram offers (BSD copyrighted!) driver sources for their cards, including the AMD 53c974 based ones. See their Web page (sorry, don't remember the URL, but there was an announcement in a FreeBSD list, a few weeks ago). But those AMD chips are far less capable than the NCR chips! If you are looking for a good NCR based card, then the Tekram DC390U (with an Ultra-20 8 bit SCSI bus) and the DC390F (Ultra-WIDE), both based on the 53c875, are definitely a good choice. Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 16 03:24:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA06992 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 03:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA06983 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 03:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA03187; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:52:22 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610161022.TAA03187@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt To: se@ZPR.Uni-Koeln.DE (Stefan Esser) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:52:21 +0930 (CST) Cc: darrylo@sr.hp.com, chuckr@glue.umd.edu, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610160920.LAA03243@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> from "Stefan Esser" at Oct 16, 96 11:20:10 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Esser stands accused of saying: > > 2) Tekram offers (BSD copyrighted!) driver sources for their cards, > including the AMD 53c974 based ones. See their Web page (sorry, > don't remember the URL, but there was an announcement in a FreeBSD > list, a few weeks ago). But those AMD chips are far less capable > than the NCR chips! Would it be good to import the 53c974 driver? Does anyone have one of these to test with? > If you are looking for a good NCR based card, then the Tekram DC390U > (with an Ultra-20 8 bit SCSI bus) and the DC390F (Ultra-WIDE), both > based on the 53c875, are definitely a good choice. As an aside, does anyone have an Australian distributor for these? > Regards, STefan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 16 04:23:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA12327 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 04:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whale.gu.kiev.ua (whale.gu.kiev.ua [193.124.51.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA12197 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 04:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from creator.gu.kiev.ua (stesin@creator.gu.kiev.ua [193.124.51.73]) by whale.gu.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA85430; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:17:35 +0300 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:17:34 +0300 (EET DST) From: Andrew Stesin X-Sender: stesin@creator.gu.kiev.ua To: Chuck Robey cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The last SCSI controllers with NCR 53c815 and 53c825 I've seen were made by TEKRAM. Seen them on a computer trade show in Kiev recently. They weren't cheap, BTW. On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Chuck Robey wrote: > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:49:03 -0400 (EDT) > From: Chuck Robey > To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: ncr 825 clone hunt > > Does anyone know a source of ncr 825 clones? I'm suddenly having troubles > getting the one from Tyan, and I need a new scsi controller for my new smp > system. Thanks! > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD > (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > -- Best, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 16 04:42:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA13837 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 04:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA13741 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 04:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA09358; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:39:17 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:39:17 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: Michael Smith cc: Stefan Esser , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt In-Reply-To: <199610161022.TAA03187@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I snipped two people from the cc: list - I hope they don't mind On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > Stefan Esser stands accused of saying: > > > > 2) Tekram offers (BSD copyrighted!) driver sources for their cards, > > including the AMD 53c974 based ones. See their Web page (sorry, > > don't remember the URL, but there was an announcement in a FreeBSD > > list, a few weeks ago). But those AMD chips are far less capable > > than the NCR chips! > > Would it be good to import the 53c974 driver? Does anyone have one of > these to test with? Is it the same chip so many people had on their motherboards that FreeBSD did not support? If yes, then it should go in. Sander > > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ > ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ > From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 16 06:08:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA24229 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 06:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA24214 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 06:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilligan.eng.umd.edu (gilligan.eng.umd.edu [129.2.103.21]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19000; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by gilligan.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22037; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:08:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gilligan.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:08:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@gilligan.eng.umd.edu To: Stefan Esser cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt In-Reply-To: <199610160857.KAA03203@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Stefan Esser wrote: > Chuck Robey writes: > > Does anyone know a source of ncr 825 clones? I'm suddenly having troubles > > getting the one from Tyan, and I need a new scsi controller for my new smp > > system. Thanks! > > Get the Tekram DC390W (53c825A based) or go > for the Ultra-WIDE DC390F (53c875 based). > > They seem to cost some $100 for the WIDE and > $150 for the Ultra-WIDE card, and seem to be > very high quality, including a BIOS setup as > known from Adaptec cards. The NCR driver will > soon know how to parse the card's NVRAM, and > this will make it possible to configure tags, > sync. rate and other options. Thanks, Stefan. I'll do just that. > > Regards, STefan > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 16 13:40:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA03932 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.100.208]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03919 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-46.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA74563 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:37:18 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.7.6/8.6.9) id WAA18858; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:36:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199610162036.WAA18858@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:36:13 +0200 From: se@mi.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee (Narvi) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith), se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser), freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt In-Reply-To: ; from Narvi on Oct 16, 1996 14:39:17 +0300 References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Narvi writes: > > Stefan Esser stands accused of saying: > > > > > > 2) Tekram offers (BSD copyrighted!) driver sources for their cards, > > > including the AMD 53c974 based ones. See their Web page (sorry, > > > don't remember the URL, but there was an announcement in a FreeBSD > > > list, a few weeks ago). But those AMD chips are far less capable > > > than the NCR chips! > > > > Would it be good to import the 53c974 driver? Does anyone have one of > > these to test with? > > Is it the same chip so many people had on their motherboards that FreeBSD > did not support? If yes, then it should go in. Yes, it actually is that particular chip, which is also part of the AMD Combo Chip, which contains an Lance Ethernet in the PCI chip. I looked at the driver, and it seems to be written with modularity and re-usability of code more important than performance. While their 53c875 driver contains card specific code, I don't think this is true of the 53c974 code, and it should thus work with those Compaq and HP systems that have that chip on their motherboard. Somebody who got such a system may want to try the driver, and even if it is Tekram specific, we may want to import it, and apply local patches (which is allowed, if I remember their copyright correctly). Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 16 18:58:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA22573 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 18:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22564 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 18:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09673; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:27:39 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610170157.LAA09673@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt To: se@mi.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:27:39 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610162036.WAA18858@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> from "Stefan Esser" at Oct 16, 96 10:36:13 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Esser stands accused of saying: > > > > > > Would it be good to import the 53c974 driver? Does anyone have one of > > > these to test with? > > > > Is it the same chip so many people had on their motherboards that FreeBSD > > did not support? If yes, then it should go in. > > Yes, it actually is that particular chip, which is > also part of the AMD Combo Chip, which contains an > Lance Ethernet in the PCI chip. > > I looked at the driver, and it seems to be written > with modularity and re-usability of code more important > than performance. Is this a major problem? (Perhaps a silly question to ask 8) > While their 53c875 driver contains card specific code, > I don't think this is true of the 53c974 code, and > it should thus work with those Compaq and HP systems > that have that chip on their motherboard. > > Somebody who got such a system may want to try the > driver, and even if it is Tekram specific, we may > want to import it, and apply local patches (which > is allowed, if I remember their copyright correctly). Spiff. I've asked around and can't find one of those cards here, so I can't help 8( Regardless, we should say some nice things to and about Tekram for this; it's a kind and brave thing they've done. > Regards, STefan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 17 01:40:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA16654 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 01:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgate.flevel.co.uk (root@fgate.flevel.co.uk [194.6.101.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16649 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 01:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from graham@localhost) by fgate.flevel.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA26437 for hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:40:35 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Breach Message-Id: <199610170840.JAA26437@fgate.flevel.co.uk> Subject: Tecra 730 CDT To: hardware@freebsd.org (hardware) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:40:35 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me how well the Toshiba Tecra 730 CDT operates under FreeBSD? Graham Breach From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 17 02:11:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA18322 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawk.gnome.co.uk (gnome.gw.cerbernet.co.uk [193.243.224.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA18313 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jacs@localhost) by hawk.gnome.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) id KAA00628; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:11:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:11:43 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Stenton Subject: Anyone got an NexStor NXT 92 SCSI Controller ? To: hardware@freebsd.org Message-Id: Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have been given an NexStor NXT 92 (NCR 810) SCSI Controller without documentation. It seems to work .. However, I would like to know what Jumpers J1 and 2 do! If anyone can let me know I would be greatful. Chris From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 17 02:55:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA20473 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deputy.pavilion.co.uk (deputy.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.128.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA20463 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup1-40.pavilion.co.uk (dialup1-40.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.104]) by deputy.pavilion.co.uk (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id KAA10157; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:53:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199610170953.KAA10157@deputy.pavilion.co.uk> X-Sender: aledm@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:31:27 +0100 To: Graham Breach , hardware@FreeBSD.org (hardware) From: Aled Morris Subject: Re: Tecra 730 CDT Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:40 17/10/96 +0100, Graham Breach wrote: > >Can anyone tell me how well the Toshiba Tecra 730 CDT operates under >FreeBSD? I have just installed 2.1.0 on a Satellite Pro 420CDT, which is quite similar to the Tecra I believe. Works good. Installed with the ATAPI boot floppy and the CD-ROM (using the internal CD-ROM drive). No problem whatsoever. I haven't been able to get the SVGA X server to work, although the VGA16 works fine (800x600 LCD). The problem with SVGA I think is the chipset may not be supported (ct65555 is too new?). Perhaps this is fixed in a newer release of XFree86 - does anyone know? Aled -- telephone +44 973 207987 O- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 17 16:08:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA07708 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lenlen.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (lenlen.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.126]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07624 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by lenlen.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA00889; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 00:34:50 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 00:34:50 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199610171534.AAA00889@lenlen.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: aledm@routers.co.uk Cc: graham@fgate.flevel.co.uk, hardware@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: Tecra 730 CDT In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:31:27 +0100. <199610170953.KAA10157@deputy.pavilion.co.uk> From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.19] 1995-07/21(Fri) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199610170953.KAA10157@deputy.pavilion.co.uk> aledm@routers.co.uk writes: >> At 09:40 17/10/96 +0100, Graham Breach wrote: >> > >> >Can anyone tell me how well the Toshiba Tecra 730 CDT operates under >> >FreeBSD? >> >> I have just installed 2.1.0 on a Satellite Pro 420CDT, which is quite >> similar to the Tecra I believe. Works good. Installed with the ATAPI >> boot floppy and the CD-ROM (using the internal CD-ROM drive). No >> problem whatsoever. Satellite Pro 420 uses 16bit PCIC (probably i82365-compatible), but I remember that Tecra 730 uses CardBus and ZV-port PC-card adapter. CardBus and ZV-port have not been supported by FreeBSD yet. -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp hosokawa@jp.FreeBSD.org WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 17 19:47:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18527 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18521 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gargoyle.bazzle.com ([206.103.246.190]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA29146 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gargoyle.bazzle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gargoyle.bazzle.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA24706; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:45:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric J. Chet" To: Chuck Robey cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Chuck Robey wrote: > Does anyone know a source of ncr 825 clones? I'm suddenly having troubles > getting the one from Tyan, and I need a new scsi controller for my new smp > system. Thanks! Hello Try Acculogic I have beeen using one of there ncr825 cards for the last year running -current without any problems. I purchased the card from NECX direct. Peace, Eric J. Chet - ejc@bazzle.com > From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 17 19:48:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18633 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (po2.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18628 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from protocol.eng.umd.edu (protocol.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.180]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09465; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by protocol.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA01940; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:48:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: protocol.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:48:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@protocol.eng.umd.edu To: "Eric J. Chet" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ncr 825 clone hunt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Eric J. Chet wrote: > On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Chuck Robey wrote: > > > Does anyone know a source of ncr 825 clones? I'm suddenly having troubles > > getting the one from Tyan, and I need a new scsi controller for my new smp > > system. Thanks! > Hello > Try Acculogic I have beeen using one of there ncr825 cards for > the last year running -current without any problems. I purchased the > card from NECX direct. Thanks. Yesterday a guy from bsdi told me about a place there that had some of the Tyan ones, and I snagged one! I already use one in my existing system, this frees me to go ahead and buy the new smp system I'm all excited about having! Check goes out tomorrow, Christmas comes early this year! > > Peace, > > Eric J. Chet > - ejc@bazzle.com > > > > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 18 09:04:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA03861 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from housing1.stucen.gatech.edu (ken@housing1.stucen.gatech.edu [130.207.52.71]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03847 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ken@localhost) by housing1.stucen.gatech.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07417 for hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:04:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Merry Message-Id: <199610181604.MAA07417@housing1.stucen.gatech.edu> Subject: P6 prices?? To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:04:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know why P6 prices have gone up so much recently? For example, check out: http://www.thechipmerchant.com/prices.htm $975 for the 256K version and $1140 for the 512K version. IIRC, the 256K P6's were around $600 not too long ago. What happened? Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@ulc199.residence.gatech.edu Disclaimer: I don't speak for GTRI, GT, or Elvis. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 18 09:09:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04209 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saguaro.flyingfox.com (saguaro.flyingfox.com [204.188.109.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04204 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jas@localhost) by saguaro.flyingfox.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id JAA04414 for hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:07:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:07:38 -0700 From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199610181607.JAA04414@saguaro.flyingfox.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: collision count reported by netstat -I? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk While investigating some network performance problems, I've noticed that the collision count reported by netstat -I for SMC9332DST cards running in 10 Mbit mode tends to be much higher than I would expect. I do not believe I'm dealing with defective cards, as this happens on multiple cards, and on networks that seem to be performing OK. As a specific example, a workstation with one of the SMC cards, located on a moderately busy wire, reports about a 3.5% collision rate (Opackets/Collisions). The principal router on that wire (also a FreeBSD box), sporting a 3C509 card, reports a collision rate of just under 1 in a *millino*. As it happens, virtually all traffic to and from the workstation, plus quite a bit more, passes through the router. Does anyone have any thoughts as to what might be the cause of this huge difference? Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 18 10:15:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA08688 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08681 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA27073; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:14:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610181714.KAA27073@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: P6 prices?? In-Reply-To: <199610181604.MAA07417@housing1.stucen.gatech.edu> from Kenneth Merry at "Oct 18, 96 12:04:05 pm" To: ken@housing1.stucen.gatech.edu (Kenneth Merry) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Does anyone know why P6 prices have gone up so much recently? For > example, check out: > > http://www.thechipmerchant.com/prices.htm > > $975 for the 256K version and $1140 for the 512K version. IIRC, > the 256K P6's were around $600 not too long ago. What happened? Demand >>>> Supply (Demand is greater than supply) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 18 10:17:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA08884 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08879 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA27086; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:17:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610181717.KAA27086@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: collision count reported by netstat -I? In-Reply-To: <199610181607.JAA04414@saguaro.flyingfox.com> from Jim Shankland at "Oct 18, 96 09:07:38 am" To: jas@flyingfox.COM (Jim Shankland) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > While investigating some network performance problems, I've noticed > that the collision count reported by netstat -I for SMC9332DST cards > running in 10 Mbit mode tends to be much higher than I would expect. > I do not believe I'm dealing with defective cards, as this happens > on multiple cards, and on networks that seem to be performing OK. > > As a specific example, a workstation with one of the SMC cards, > located on a moderately busy wire, reports about a 3.5% > collision rate (Opackets/Collisions). The principal router on > that wire (also a FreeBSD box), sporting a 3C509 card, reports a > collision rate of just under 1 in a *millino*. As it happens, > virtually all traffic to and from the workstation, plus quite a > bit more, passes through the router. > > Does anyone have any thoughts as to what might be the cause of this > huge difference? There appears to be a bug in the if_de.c driver that is reporting too many collisions. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 18 14:53:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA25471 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25464 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from protocol.eng.umd.edu (protocol.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.180]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14065; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by protocol.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA03286; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:52:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: protocol.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:52:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@protocol.eng.umd.edu To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Kenneth Merry , hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: P6 prices?? In-Reply-To: <199610181714.KAA27073@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > Does anyone know why P6 prices have gone up so much recently? For > > example, check out: > > > > http://www.thechipmerchant.com/prices.htm > > > > $975 for the 256K version and $1140 for the 512K version. IIRC, > > the 256K P6's were around $600 not too long ago. What happened? > > Demand >>>> Supply (Demand is greater than supply) Well, some more can be said. Demand didn't so much go up as the supply disappeared. I don't know this to be true personally, but there are also stories of Intel shipping box of product that included things wildly different than the shipping labels read. You can read more about that at: http://www.esc-ca.com/ ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------