From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Oct 28 10:28:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hubs Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17947 for hubs-outgoing; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17934; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA04847; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:27:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:27:35 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9610281827.AA04847@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: postmaster@freebsd.org Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Queue deletions Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In a desparate attempt to get my machine to let me do useful work, I deleted about 600 queued messages on my machine (the .edu relay). The messages deleted had envelope recipients of: ccsanady@friley216.res.iastate.edu (400) jadeite@light.pomona.edu (180) and were accumulated over this past weekend. These individuals should be removed from the mailing-lists until they can produce an address which is connected full-time. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Oct 28 10:37:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hubs Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18593 for hubs-outgoing; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18582; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:37:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199610281837.KAA18582@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Queue deletions To: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:37:24 -0800 (PST) Cc: postmaster@freebsd.org, hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9610281827.AA04847@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Oct 28, 96 01:27:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Garrett Wollman wrote: > > In a desparate attempt to get my machine to let me do useful work, I > deleted about 600 queued messages on my machine (the .edu relay). > The messages deleted had envelope recipients of: > > ccsanady@friley216.res.iastate.edu (400) > jadeite@light.pomona.edu (180) > > and were accumulated over this past weekend. These individuals should > be removed from the mailing-lists until they can produce an address > which is connected full-time. Garrett, thanks for the note. i will whack them. yes, i am now back from sweden. can you turn down the time on your mail queue, and bounce the messages back to freefall after 48 hours? why cant these people get MX records....grrr..... jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Oct 28 10:46:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hubs Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA19384 for hubs-outgoing; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19370; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:46:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id MAA16692; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:45:34 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610281845.MAA16692@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Queue deletions To: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:45:33 -0600 (CST) Cc: postmaster@freebsd.org, hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9610281827.AA04847@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Oct 28, 96 01:27:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In a desparate attempt to get my machine to let me do useful work, I > deleted about 600 queued messages on my machine (the .edu relay). > The messages deleted had envelope recipients of: > > ccsanady@friley216.res.iastate.edu (400) > jadeite@light.pomona.edu (180) > > and were accumulated over this past weekend. These individuals should > be removed from the mailing-lists until they can produce an address > which is connected full-time. I have some of these types of messages as well... particularly While they are a mild nuisance I only have 337 messages in the queue. With a little luck I may soon move mail.freebsd.sol.net someplace else, with a faster CPU, more memory, and sixty times the network bandwidth. But even as it currently stands, I am not "upset" with the mail load. (However as Garrett noticed, it will kill interactive performance a bit!) ... JG From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Oct 28 10:51:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hubs Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA19823 for hubs-outgoing; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19804 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA04994; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:49:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:49:52 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9610281849.AA04994@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Joe Greco Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Queue deletions In-Reply-To: <199610281845.MAA16692@brasil.moneng.mei.com> References: <9610281827.AA04847@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> <199610281845.MAA16692@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > With a little luck I may soon move mail.freebsd.sol.net someplace else, > with a faster CPU, more memory, and sixty times the network bandwidth. > But even as it currently stands, I am not "upset" with the mail load. > (However as Garrett noticed, it will kill interactive performance a bit!) You know what it's like on a FreeBSD system... Now imagine the same load on DEC OSF^H^H^H^H^H^H^HDigital UNIX 3.2! My machine has 96 MB of main memory and 128 M of swap, and it was thrashing constantly. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Oct 28 10:57:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hubs Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA20377 for hubs-outgoing; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20371 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:57:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id MAA16724; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:56:52 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199610281856.MAA16724@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Queue deletions To: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:56:51 -0600 (CST) Cc: hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9610281849.AA04994@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Oct 28, 96 01:49:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > < said: > > > With a little luck I may soon move mail.freebsd.sol.net someplace else, > > with a faster CPU, more memory, and sixty times the network bandwidth. > > But even as it currently stands, I am not "upset" with the mail load. > > (However as Garrett noticed, it will kill interactive performance a bit!) > > You know what it's like on a FreeBSD system... Now imagine the same > load on DEC OSF^H^H^H^H^H^H^HDigital UNIX 3.2! My machine has 96 MB > of main memory and 128 M of swap, and it was thrashing constantly. Oh MY... Your poor DU box. (for everyones info, "mail.freebsd.sol.net" is a 486DX/33 with 32MB RAM and a 600MB SCSI-I disk on an AHA-1542B, it serves as secondary DNS/mail/ NTP time server for sol.net, also hosting Kerberos, printing, IRC, MUD, and an X11 console. Oh, and it was doing all that with a very very low load average of about 0.01, so I offered to provide mail exploder services on it too to FreeBSD... it's busier now :-) I consider it to be representative of how excellent a system FreeBSD really is). I do plan to make some changes, but not out of any burning necessity. ... JG From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Oct 28 18:35:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hubs Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA16671 for hubs-outgoing; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 18:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA16665; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 18:35:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199610290235.SAA16665@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Queue deletions To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 18:35:41 -0800 (PST) Cc: wollman@lcs.mit.edu, postmaster@freebsd.org, hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610281845.MAA16692@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Oct 28, 96 12:45:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joe Greco wrote: > > > In a desparate attempt to get my machine to let me do useful work, I > > deleted about 600 queued messages on my machine (the .edu relay). > > The messages deleted had envelope recipients of: > > > > ccsanady@friley216.res.iastate.edu (400) > > jadeite@light.pomona.edu (180) > > > > and were accumulated over this past weekend. These individuals should > > be removed from the mailing-lists until they can produce an address > > which is connected full-time. > > I have some of these types of messages as well... particularly > > > > > > While they are a mild nuisance I only have 337 messages in the queue. toasted! > > With a little luck I may soon move mail.freebsd.sol.net someplace else, > with a faster CPU, more memory, and sixty times the network bandwidth. > But even as it currently stands, I am not "upset" with the mail load. cool! > (However as Garrett noticed, it will kill interactive performance a bit!) > > ... JG > From owner-freebsd-hubs Wed Oct 30 21:45:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hubs Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA29408 for hubs-outgoing; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 21:45:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29396; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 21:45:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08473; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 00:44:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29359; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 00:44:59 -0500 (EST) To: Joe Greco cc: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman), hubs@FreeBSD.org, postmaster@FreeBSD.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Queue deletions In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:56:51 CST." <199610281856.MAA16724@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 00:44:59 -0500 Message-ID: <29357.846740699@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-hubs@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joe Greco wrote in message ID <199610281856.MAA16724@brasil.moneng.mei.com>: > (for everyones info, "mail.freebsd.sol.net" is a 486DX/33 with 32MB RAM > and a 600MB SCSI-I disk on an AHA-1542B, it serves as secondary DNS/mail/ > NTP time server for sol.net, also hosting Kerberos, printing, IRC, MUD, > and an X11 console. Oh, and it was doing all that with a very very low > load average of about 0.01, so I offered to provide mail exploder services > on it too to FreeBSD... it's busier now :-) I consider it to be > representative of how excellent a system FreeBSD really is). > I do plan to make some changes, but not out of any burning necessity. Perhaps we should make available the queue aging stuff used on freefall to mail exploders... it helps a LOT when dealing with unreachable hosts. Tweaking your sendmail.cf so that it doesn't retry delivery on a failed queue entry is another good idea. Speeds up queue runs no end. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info