From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Dec 17 13:31:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA20523 for hubs-outgoing; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA20452; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com by agora.rdrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0va75T-0008tyC; Tue, 17 Dec 96 13:30 PST Received: (from jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) id NAA19462; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:26:17 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Path: not-for-mail From: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Newsgroups: polstra.freebsd.hackers Subject: Correction: src-release and src-tools will REMAIN Date: 17 Dec 1996 13:26:16 -0800 Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Lines: 49 Distribution: local Message-ID: <59735o$j03@austin.polstra.com> References: <199612160453.UAA01018@austin.polstra.com> In-reply-to: <199612160453.UAA01018@austin.polstra.com> Fcc: outbox Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199612160453.UAA01018@austin.polstra.com>, John Polstra , to his regret, wrote: > If you have been CVSup/supping "src-release" or "src-tools", please > change your supfile and get "src-etc" instead. I am going to delete the > two obsolete collections within a few days. False alarm -- this is not happening after all. I had asked about it on core a few days before, but I guess I didn't wait long enough for somebody to object. The "src-release" and "src-tools" collections are going to remain distinct from "src-etc". I am going to eliminate the overlap that currently exists between src-etc and the other two, by modifying what is included in src-etc. That is going to happen on freefall this coming Saturday, December 21. There is going to be a hiccup when this happens. When sup and CVSup notice the change to src-etc, they will proceed to delete the affected files on the client machines. Most people won't care about that. Neither src-release nor src-tools is really a part of the system. If you want to continue to get them anyway, you'll have to add those collections to your supfile. Here's the nasty part: If you have src-etc AND the other two in your supfile, the files are going to be deleted (in connection with src-etc) and then sent to you again (as part of src-release and src-tools). Sorry, that's just the way things work under the sup model. It doesn't recognize relationships between files in different collections. With CVSup at least (and I think with sup too), you can avoid having the files retransmitted to you as follows: 1. Before Saturday: Copy the "src/release" and "src/tools" trees to a backup area. 2. After Saturday: Do a CVSup run of only the src-etc collection. It will delete the files in src/release and src/tools. 3. Copy the files back into place from the backup area. 4. Get on with your life. Thanks for your patience. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-hubs Wed Dec 18 08:27:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA13791 for hubs-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 08:27:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA13777 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 08:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA26083 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 08:27:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199612181627.IAA26083@austin.polstra.com> To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Attention CVSup mirror sites Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 08:27:05 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As of yesterday, "cvsup.freebsd.org" now points to spatter, not freefall. If you wish to get your updates directly from freefall (as most of you should, I think), please change your supfiles so that they explicitly name freefall.freebsd.org as the host. Thanks, John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-hubs Wed Dec 18 22:00:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA02279 for hubs-outgoing; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 22:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA02265 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 22:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA29800 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 22:00:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199612190600.WAA29800@austin.polstra.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 22:00:14 -0800 From: John Polstra Subject: Re: Correction: src-release and src-tools will REMAIN Sender: owner-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Correction: src-release and src-tools will REMAIN In-Reply-To: <59735o$j03@austin.polstra.com> References: <199612160453.UAA01018@austin.polstra.com> <59735o$j03@austin.polstra.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 22:00:14 -0800 From: John Polstra Sigh, this does not seem to be a good week for me to make announcements about things. I keep getting them wrong and having to post corrections. Here's the latest one: In article <59735o$j03@austin.polstra.com> I wrote: > The "src-release" and "src-tools" collections are going to remain > distinct from "src-etc". I am going to eliminate the overlap that > currently exists between src-etc and the other two, by modifying > what is included in src-etc. That is going to happen on freefall > this coming Saturday, December 21. > > There is going to be a hiccup when this happens. When sup and > CVSup notice the change to src-etc, they will proceed to delete > the affected files on the client machines. Most people won't care > about that. Neither src-release nor src-tools is really a part > of the system. If you want to continue to get them anyway, you'll > have to add those collections to your supfile. > > Here's the nasty part: If you have src-etc AND the other two in > your supfile, the files are going to be deleted (in connection with > src-etc) and then sent to you again (as part of src-release and > src-tools). Sorry, that's just the way things work under the sup > model. It doesn't recognize relationships between files in different > collections. I was suffering from faulty memory, and the above warning about files getting deleted is wrong, at least for CVSup. I tried it here, just to be sure, and the transition went very smoothly. No files got deleted. You don't have to take any special action to keep the files from being re-transmitted to you. In fact, if you want those files to be deleted, you're going to have to delete them manually. My error was in confusing what happens when a set of files is removed from a CVSup collection, as opposed to the physical files being removed from the repository itself. In the former case, CVSup leaves the files alone. They're not in the collection (any more), so CVSup is neither obligated nor permitted to do anything to them. Sorry for yet another false alarm. I'll go away and be quiet now. :-) - -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy