From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Apr 21 13:37:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA05449 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 13:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from becker1.u.washington.edu (spaz@becker1.u.washington.edu [140.142.12.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05444 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 13:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by becker1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10124; Sun, 21 Apr 96 13:37:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 13:37:21 -0700 (PDT) From: John Utz To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: using linux lkm? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello; I just tried to modload /lkm/linux_mod.o and ld complained about a missing _xxxinit which the man page sez is the default entry. Is is fighting with the modloaded screensaver or something? i also got the linux lib tha Amancio has on rah.star-gate. It has an ld.so in it. Do i need to use that one? i am trying to do something other than doom, namely an engineering application. Do i need all of the files in that lib if the app doesnt run X? if it does run X how do i let it know where the lib are? I currently have them in /usr/local/lib. any help would be appreciated! ******************************************************************************* John Utz spaz@u.washington.edu idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Apr 21 15:07:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA10450 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 15:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA10442 Sun, 21 Apr 1996 15:07:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199604212207.PAA10442@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: using linux lkm? To: spaz@u.washington.edu (John Utz) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 15:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "John Utz" at Apr 21, 96 01:37:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Utz wrote: > > Hello; > > I just tried to modload /lkm/linux_mod.o and ld complained about a > missing _xxxinit which the man page sez is the default entry. Is is > fighting with the modloaded screensaver or something? the linux lkm does not fit the pattern. try: Aspen:[235] uname -a FreeBSD Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM 2.1-STABLE FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE #0: Wed Mar 6 06:54:49 EST 1996 jmb@Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM:/usr/src/sys/compile/ASPEN i386 Aspen:[234] /sbin/modload -e linux_init /lkm/linux_mod.o Linux emulator installed Module loaded as ID 0 you will libraries installed in /usr/compat/linux/lib Aspen:[241] ls /usr/compat/linux/lib ld.so libXIE.so.6 libXaw.so.6.0 libXt.so.6 libgr.so.1.3 libX11.so.3 libXIE.so.6.0 libXpm.so.4 libXt.so.6.0 libm.so.4 libX11.so.3.1.0 libXaw.so.3 libXpm.so.4.3 libc.so.4 libm.so.4.5.26 libX11.so.6 libXaw.so.3.1.0 libXt.so.3 libc.so.4.5.26 libX11.so.6.0 libXaw.so.6 libXt.so.3.1.0 libgr.so.1 Aspen:[246] cat /usr/compat/linux/etc/host.conf order bind,hosts -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ p.s. how's life in seattle? that job is over wont be back till i get another job that sends me there. nice place. ;) From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Apr 21 16:00:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA14336 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 16:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MediaCity.com (root@easy1.mediacity.com [205.216.172.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14330 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 16:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brian@localhost) by MediaCity.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA24727 for freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 16:07:30 -0700 From: Brian Litzinger Message-Id: <199604212307.QAA24727@MediaCity.com> Subject: SpeakerPhones for teleconferencing? To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 16:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: brian@MediaCity.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What are people doing for speaker phone type pickup/playback? Does anyone "out there" sell an audio level speaker phone? I've been thinking that perhaps a telco type speaker phone might be made to work. Is there any way or has anyone hooked a telephone to a PC such that the PC can capture/play audio via the handset? I'm thinking I can hook a speaker phone to a ZyXEL 1496E modem and use the ADPCM playback/capture however I'm not sure if the ZyXEL can do full duplex. -- Brian Litzinger Powered by FreeBSD http[s]://www.mpress.com From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 22 07:10:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA07126 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 07:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neon.Glock.COM (neon.glock.com [198.82.228.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07094 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 07:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by neon.Glock.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05505 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:09:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199604221409.KAA05505@neon.Glock.COM> Subject: tasd 3.5 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:09:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've messed around a bit with TASD 3.5, and have been trying to integrate it into -current. Has anyone done this? I'd like to be running on this sound driver so that I can begin work on a EMU8000 driver as an addition to the code Hannu provides. I understand he doesn't want to hamper future relationships with soundcard manufacturers by using information derived from reverse engineering, but I don't share that feeling and am willing to distribute a separate additional module that supports the SB[AWE]32. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 22 11:41:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA25725 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA25715 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA13437; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:40:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199604221840.LAA13437@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "matthew c. mead" cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tasd 3.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:09:41 EDT." <199604221409.KAA05505@neon.Glock.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:40:00 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yeap, use : rah.star-gate.com:/pub/snd01041996-2.2-current.tgz Have fun, Amancio >>> "matthew c. mead" said: > I've messed around a bit with TASD 3.5, and have been trying > to integrate it into -current. Has anyone done this? I'd like > to be running on this sound driver so that I can begin work on a > EMU8000 driver as an addition to the code Hannu provides. I > understand he doesn't want to hamper future relationships with > soundcard manufacturers by using information derived from reverse > engineering, but I don't share that feeling and am willing to > distribute a separate additional module that supports the > SB[AWE]32. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks! > > > -matt > > -- > Matthew C. Mead > > mmead@Glock.COM > http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 22 12:13:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA27819 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27814 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA11142; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:12:33 -0700 (PDT) To: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone gotten SpeakFreely to work with FreeBSD-current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 Apr 1996 02:53:40 +0400." <199604172253.CAA01279@astral.msk.su> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:12:33 -0700 Message-ID: <11140.830200353@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I put -current shared sfecho/sfmike/sfspeaker under > ftp://time.cdrom.com/pub/sf.tgz > > Here is calling sequence which works for me with -current snddriver > and my PAS 16 Basic: > > ./sfspeaker & > ./sfmike dt.demos.su # I have 'sfecho' daemon running there > > ... talk ... > > ... wait ... > ... hear my voice :-) ... Hear a clicking sound.. :-( I guess something's broken for the GUS - time to try Amancio's latest, I guess! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 22 13:05:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA02071 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02006 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16159; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:03:35 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199604222003.WAA16159@grumble.grondar.za> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone gotten SpeakFreely to work with FreeBSD-current? Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:03:31 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > I put -current shared sfecho/sfmike/sfspeaker under > > ftp://time.cdrom.com/pub/sf.tgz > > > > Here is calling sequence which works for me with -current snddriver > > and my PAS 16 Basic: > > > > ./sfspeaker & > > ./sfmike dt.demos.su # I have 'sfecho' daemon running there > > > > ... talk ... > > > > ... wait ... > > ... hear my voice :-) ... > > Hear a clicking sound.. :-( Works for me! I use a Soundblaster PRO. ...except I had the following errors at compile time: Script started on Sun Apr 21 22:28:52 1996 bash# make Checksums OK. ===> Extracting for speak_freely-6.0 ===> speak_freely-6.0 depends on shared library: gsm\.1\. - found ===> Patching for speak_freely-6.0 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for speak_freely-6.0 ===> Configuring for speak_freely-6.0 ===> Building for speak_freely-6.0 cc -Iadpcm -Ilpc -I/usr/local/include -Iidea -DInternet_Port=2074 -DRelno="\"Release 6.0, March 1996\"" -DHALF_DUPLEX -O2 -DM_LITTLE_ENDIAN -c speaker.c speaker.c: In function `makeSessionKey': speaker.c:172: storage size of `md5c' isn't known speaker.c: In function `main': speaker.c:845: storage size of `md5c' isn't known speaker.c:859: storage size of `md5c' isn't known speaker.c:1852: storage size of `md5c' isn't known *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. bash# exit exit ...... Which I fixed by doing diff -udr ../speak_freely-6.0.ache/echo.c ./echo.c --- ../speak_freely-6.0.ache/echo.c Sun Feb 25 15:44:54 1996 +++ ./echo.c Sat Apr 20 09:58:12 1996 @@ -210,7 +210,7 @@ static void makeSessionKey(key) char *key; { - struct MD5Context md5c; + MD5_CTX md5c; char s[1024]; s[0] = 0; diff -udr ../speak_freely-6.0.ache/mike.c ./mike.c --- ../speak_freely-6.0.ache/mike.c Sat Apr 20 10:37:25 1996 +++ ./mike.c Sat Apr 20 09:56:34 1996 @@ -1279,7 +1279,7 @@ int mode; { int j, k; - struct MD5Context md5c; + MD5_CTX md5c; char md5key[16], md5key1[16]; char s[1024]; @@ -1387,7 +1387,7 @@ { int i, j, k, l, sentfile = 0; FILE *fp; - struct MD5Context md5c; + MD5_CTX md5c; static lpcstate_t lpcc; char md5key[16], md5key1[16]; char s[1024]; diff -udr ../speak_freely-6.0.ache/speaker.c ./speaker.c --- ../speak_freely-6.0.ache/speaker.c Wed Feb 28 15:08:52 1996 +++ ./speaker.c Sat Apr 20 09:54:11 1996 @@ -169,7 +169,7 @@ char *key; { int j, k; - struct MD5Context md5c; + MD5_CTX md5c; char md5key[16], md5key1[16]; char s[1024]; @@ -842,7 +842,7 @@ if (strlen(op + 1) == 0) { ideakey[0] = FALSE; } else { - struct MD5Context md5c; + MD5_CTX md5c; MD5Init(&md5c); MD5Update(&md5c, op + 1, strlen(op + 1)); @@ -856,7 +856,7 @@ if (strlen(op + 1) == 0) { deskey[0] = rtpdeskey[0] = vatdeskey[0] = FALSE; } else { - struct MD5Context md5c; + MD5_CTX md5c; char md5key[16], algorithm[16]; MD5Init(&md5c); @@ -1849,7 +1849,7 @@ FILE *kfile; FILE *pipe; long flen; - struct MD5Context md5c; + MD5_CTX md5c; MD5Init(&md5c); MD5Update(&md5c, sb.buffer.buffer_val, sb.buffer.buffer_len); -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 22 13:07:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA02313 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02203 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA14197; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:04:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199604222004.NAA14197@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A.) Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chernov, Black Mage) , multimedia@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Anyone gotten SpeakFreely to work with FreeBSD-current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:12:33 PDT." <11140.830200353@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:04:45 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." >>> "Jordan K. Hubbard" said: > > I put -current shared sfecho/sfmike/sfspeaker under > > ftp://time.cdrom.com/pub/sf.tgz > > > > Here is calling sequence which works for me with -current snddriver > > and my PAS 16 Basic: > > > > ./sfspeaker & > > ./sfmike dt.demos.su # I have 'sfecho' daemon running there > > > > ... talk ... > > > > ... wait ... > > ... hear my voice :-) ... > > Hear a clicking sound.. :-( > > I guess something's broken for the GUS - time to try Amancio's latest, > I guess! :-) > Hold on that I just noticed something. Basically, the sound driver does not like multiple clients to open /dev/audio. So let me take a look at the sound driver and speak freely, tonite. SpeakFreely has been a low priority item for me since it supports ip multicast, vat mode, and rtp and we have vat . At any rate, let me just take a peak at it this week and I will be happy to report back. BTW: Brian Litzinger does your version of speakfreely work with your gus? Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 22 15:04:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA17468 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA17463 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15557(4)>; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:04:08 PDT Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177475>; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:01:07 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Petri Helenius cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sdr In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Apr 1996 03:53:26 PDT." <199604191053.NAA17953@silver.sms.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:01:02 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Apr22.150107pdt.177475@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199604191053.NAA17953@silver.sms.fi>you write: > Is there a way to define scoped addresses to be assigned by sdr when >creating new announcements? Yes, it was documented in Mark's original sdr announcement on the rem-conf mailing list. Bill M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk said: > If you live in an admin scope zone, sdr can support this. Put an > add_admin command in your .sdr.tcl file: add_admin > > > Thus, for the UK, which has a scope boundary 239.128.16.0/24, you'd > add: add_admin UK 239.128.16.255 9874 239.128.16.0 24 47 > This is a horrible way to configure this, and will be replaced in due > course! From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 22 20:02:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA22665 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (pp@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA22510 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <22029-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:00:46 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id MAA19142 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:40:07 +1000 Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id CAA23760 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:43:26 GMT Message-Id: <199604230243.CAA23760@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Doom soundserver re-implemented for NAS X-Face: 3}heU+2?b->-GSF-G4T4>jEB9~FR(V9lo&o>kAy=Pj&;oVOc<|pr%I/VSG"ZD32J>5gGC0N 7gj]^GI@M:LlqNd]|(2OxOxy@$6@/!,";-!OlucF^=jq8s57$%qXd/ieC8DhWmIy@J1AcnvSGV\|*! >Bvu7+0h4zCY^]{AxXKsDTlgA2m]fX$W@'8ev-Qi+-;%L'CcZ'NBL!@n?}q!M&Em3*eW7,093nOeV8 M)(u+6D;%B7j\XA/9j4!Gj~&jYzflG[#)E9sI&Xe9~y~Gn%fA7>F:YKr"Wx4cZU*6{^2ocZ!YyR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:43:24 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Find below a re-implementation of the Doom soundserver for the Network Audio System. 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From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 00:55:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA14129 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (precipice.shockwave.com [171.69.108.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA14121 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.shockwave.com (localhost.shockwave.com [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20102; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604230754.AAA20102@precipice.shockwave.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.6 3/24/96 To: "matthew c. mead" cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tasd 3.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:09:41 EDT." <199604221409.KAA05505@neon.Glock.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:54:30 -0700 From: Paul Traina Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yeah, I kludged it in this saturday. The biggest problem with tasd, aside from all of the compilation warnings because our kernel is more strict now, is that you need to re-generate local.h because freebsd will not compile in all of the modules for sound-cards we're not using. This is clearly bogus, and tasd needs to be fixed to use the same mechanism the current sound driver in freebsd uses (via the kernel config stuff), but I haven't gotten around to doing it. The only testing I did was a few cat's to /dev/audio, so I can only verify that it builds and appears to work. Sound Driver:3.5-960313 (Mon Mar 4 14:32:59 EET 1996 root, FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) (this is a lie, it's really -current) Config options: 1af7fff (this is incorrect) Installed drivers: Type 9: Ultrasound 16-bit opt. Type 4: Gravis Ultrasound Type 25: GUS PnP Card config: Gravis Ultrasound at 0x220 irq 12 drq 1,3 Audio devices: 0: Gravis UltraSound (DUPLEX) Synth devices: 0: Gravis UltraSound 3.4 (1024k) Midi devices: 0: Gravis UltraSound Midi Timers: 0: System clock Mixers: 0: Gravis Ultrasound From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 01:41:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA17779 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA17774 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA18964; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:39:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199604230839.BAA18964@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Paul Traina cc: "matthew c. mead" , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tasd 3.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:54:30 PDT." <199604230754.AAA20102@precipice.shockwave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:39:57 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Paul Traina said: > Yeah, I kludged it in this saturday. The biggest problem with tasd, aside > from all of the compilation warnings because our kernel is more strict now, > is that you need to re-generate local.h because freebsd will not compile in > all of the modules for sound-cards we're not using. > > This is clearly bogus, and tasd needs to be fixed to use the same mechanism > the current sound driver in freebsd uses (via the kernel config stuff), but > I haven't gotten around to doing it. > The autoconfig stuff in current's sound driver is not that hard to bring in to TASD3.5 just a couple of hours of hacking should do the trick. Is just that someone needs to do it and usually thats me or Jim Lowe who does it however we both have been busy with our day jobs lately. TASD3.5 is about the same as the stuff that I have on my ftp site plus some fixes. The reason for the name change is due to a conflict with a company who register their product as VoxWare. Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 01:50:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA18402 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA18393 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA19142; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:48:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199604230848.BAA19142@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A.) Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chernov, Black Mage) , multimedia@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Anyone gotten SpeakFreely to work with FreeBSD-current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:12:33 PDT." <11140.830200353@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:48:33 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." >>> "Jordan K. Hubbard" said: > I guess something's broken for the GUS - time to try Amancio's latest, > I guess! :-) Go ahead, I just tried sfmike with sfspeaker running in the background and I don't have any problems over here. Oh, I almost forgot I didnt compile speak freely half duplex rather with its default full duple value. In your case, since I think that you have a GUS Max make sure that /dev/audio is linked to /dev/audio1 {hasty} ls -ald /dev/audio1 crw-rw---- 1 hasty wheel 30, 20 Mar 25 03:21 /dev/audio1 {hasty} If you have any problems whatsoever just post it or e-mail if not I am happy to assume that the sound driver: ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/snd01041996-2.2-current.tgz is working fine with speak freely for you . Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 06:17:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA01561 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 06:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (root@xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA01551 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 06:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (smpatel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA03210; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:17:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Paul Traina cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tasd 3.5 In-Reply-To: <199604230754.AAA20102@precipice.shockwave.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Paul Traina wrote: > Yeah, I kludged it in this saturday. The biggest problem with tasd, aside > from all of the compilation warnings because our kernel is more strict now, > is that you need to re-generate local.h because freebsd will not compile in > all of the modules for sound-cards we're not using. > > This is clearly bogus, and tasd needs to be fixed to use the same mechanism > the current sound driver in freebsd uses (via the kernel config stuff), but > I haven't gotten around to doing it. I've already begun this work of cleaning up the entire driver... It is quite a mess, but I expect to have it ready to integrate into -current by the end of May. I also am hoping to LKM the sound driver by then too. Sujal From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 07:35:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA06587 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06573 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.0-4 #13110) id <01I3VXRBS4RK0024JH@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for multimedia@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:05:19 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA29533 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:11:07 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:11:07 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: vat with or w/o vmix? To: multimedia@freebsd.org Message-id: <199604231411.QAA29533@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm running vat 4.0a2 on a -current with a GUS card. For some reason I can't see the VU bar show up when I switch on the mic. Does it stil require vmix to work? I have that unique /dev/audio[0] I believe. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 07:36:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA06745 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06605 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.0-4 #13110) id <01I3VXY7E1M80025CQ@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for multimedia@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:10:52 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA29561 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:16:33 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:16:33 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: anyone a test? To: multimedia@freebsd.org Message-id: <199604231416.QAA29561@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could anyone try to get a vic session from blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de at the moment? BTW, where is rat? blues> ./sdr.freebsd.V2.2a4 vic -f h261 -t 15 -I 1 -C "TEST" 224.2.164.104/58874 the tool rat is not installed vat -f pcm -r -I 1 -t 15 -C "TEST" 224.2.154.119/21338 failed PCM 46 failed PCM 46 failed PCM 47 failed PCM 4c failed PCM 59 failed PCM 62 failed PCM 64 --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 09:53:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA17543 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (precipice.shockwave.com [171.69.108.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17538 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.shockwave.com (localhost.shockwave.com [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21531; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604231652.JAA21531@precipice.shockwave.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.6 3/24/96 To: Sujal Patel cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tasd 3.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:17:26 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:52:58 -0700 From: Paul Traina Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I realize the driver is a mess, *but* I would strongly suggest you make MINIMAL changes to the driver to fix it. This means that if you want to clean up the prototypes, you put prototypes in at the FRONT of the files and you make NO gratuitous source code changes (like ansifying things). We don't own TASD and you shouldn't make changes as if you think you do own it. I'm really sick and tired of seeing people hack the living shit out of 3rd party code and then it becomes unmaintainable when that 3rd party makes changes. Paul From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 10:00:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18087 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (root@xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18082 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (smpatel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA04895; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Paul Traina cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tasd 3.5 In-Reply-To: <199604231652.JAA21531@precipice.shockwave.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Paul Traina wrote: > We don't own TASD and you shouldn't make changes as if you think you do own it. > > I'm really sick and tired of seeing people hack the living shit out of 3rd > party > code and then it becomes unmaintainable when that 3rd party makes changes. About a month ago we hashed this out on -hackers. TASD is the last version of VoxWare/TASD/USS that we will be integrating into FreeBSD. USS Lite (the new name for this sound driver) is now covered by a copyright which is not acceptable for FreeBSD. Jordan has made it clear that he doesn't want to import USS Lite because of this copyright. Also, our driver is going to quickly drift away from TASD. For example, I know of people who are interested in implementing AWE32 support, GUS PnP init, support, and SB PnP support. Doing all of this stuff basically amounts to "hacking the living shit" out of parts of the sound driver. Unless someone turns around and tells me that USS Lite is "ok" for the kernel, then I think we *should* clean this up as much as possible. This driver was been a big ugly thorn sticking out of the kernel, and there have been many problems with it. Sujal From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 11:48:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA25164 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA25149 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA22067; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:45:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199604231845.LAA22067@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Paul Traina cc: Sujal Patel , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tasd 3.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:52:58 PDT." <199604231652.JAA21531@precipice.shockwave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:45:57 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is okay Paul just let it be... Perhaps, we will get more people involved in working on the sound driver. I think is worth a shot. BTW: If anyone is going to work on the GUS PnP please let me know. Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 12:36:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA28541 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28536 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA12824; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:35:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:35:07 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199604231935.NAA12824@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Paul Traina Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tasd 3.5 In-Reply-To: <199604231652.JAA21531@precipice.shockwave.com> References: <199604231652.JAA21531@precipice.shockwave.com> Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I realize the driver is a mess, *but* I would strongly suggest you make MINIMAL > changes to the driver to fix it. ... > We don't own TASD and you shouldn't make changes as if you think you > do own it. As of now, we *OWN* TASD. See below. > I'm really sick and tired of seeing people hack the living shit out of > 3rd party code and then it becomes unmaintainable when that 3rd party > makes changes. You must have missed the discussion where the author of TASD is no longer supporting it. He now works for a commercial company with a very obnoxious copyright which makes it impossible for any of his 'new' code to ever be integrated into FreeBSD. So, the latest release of TASD (3.5) is the last release. Because of that, we are now free to hack the snot out of it and fix the bugs and such in it. What was formerly supported 3rd party code is now un-supported/no longer updated code which we are free to do with as we please. Nate From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 13:48:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA05092 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05087 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Tue, 23 Apr 96 16:47:50 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM (fergus-31.dialup.cfa.org) by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Tue, 23 Apr 96 16:47:45 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA12521; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:48:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:48:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199604232148.QAA12521@compound.Think.COM> From: Tony Kimball To: pst@shockwave.com Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199604231652.JAA21531@precipice.shockwave.com> (message from Paul Traina on Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:52:58 -0700) Subject: Re: tasd 3.5 Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Who owns TASD, then, given that Hannu no longer maintains it? From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 15:16:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA11812 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (root@xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11807 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (smpatel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA06343; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:15:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Tony Kimball cc: pst@Shockwave.COM, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tasd 3.5 In-Reply-To: <199604232148.QAA12521@compound.Think.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Tony Kimball wrote: > Who owns TASD, then, given that Hannu no longer maintains it? TASD is free software, under the BSD copyright. Hannu no longer maintains it, and the Linux camp is going to continue to use Hannu's work (Hilter-Copyright and all). IMO taking away the Linux users, FreeBSD has the largest TASD user-base, so I guess you can say that it is now maintained by multimedia@freebsd.org :-) Sujal From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 20:01:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA07504 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA07497 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA03463 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:00:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199604240300.UAA03463@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: 30fps with vic? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:00:35 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Say has anyone managed to get 30fps with CIF geometry (352x288) ? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 23 22:12:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17971 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17965 for multimedia; Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 22:12:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199604240512.WAA17965@freefall.freebsd.org> To: multimedia Subject: Re: tasd 3.5 Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just keep in mind the Lite2 lesson where we thought there never would be anything after Lite1. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 24 06:04:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA14096 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 06:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.9.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA14089 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 06:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA01260; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:04:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:04:00 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199604241304.IAA01260@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 30fps with vic? Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." > > Say has anyone managed to get 30fps with CIF geometry (352x288) ? > > Tnks, > Amancio > Sure, if I point my camera at a wall I get 30fps, 40kbps, in h.261 mode with vic. If I just do raw frame captures I can get 640x480x4x30fps. -Jim From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 24 07:05:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA16615 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16610 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id JAA00245 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:05:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:05:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199604241405.JAA00245@plains.nodak.edu> To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 30fps with vic? Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." > > > > Say has anyone managed to get 30fps with CIF geometry (352x288) ? > > > > Tnks, > > Amancio > > > From: "Jim Lowe" > Sure, if I point my camera at a wall I get 30fps, 40kbps, in h.261 mode > with vic. If I just do raw frame captures I can get 640x480x4x30fps. > > -Jim Yep, the compression of moving images causes the lower frame rate and increased bandwidth. Because of this, IMHO, full quality video will require the compression to be done on the capture board. for internet use, we probably would want only MPEG 1 quality, but leased/wider bandwidth networks will use MPEG 2. unfortunately, MPEG 2 capture boards are very expensive ($4-5K). --mark. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 24 07:53:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA22641 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.ctron.com (ctron.com [134.141.197.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22627 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by gatekeeper.ctron.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA26563 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:53:18 -0400 Received: from stealth.ctron.com(134.141.5.107) by gatekeeper via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma026487; Wed Apr 24 10:52:19 1996 Received: from shadowfax.ctron.com by stealth.ctron.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23768; Wed, 24 Apr 96 10:44:45 EDT Received: from thoth (thoth.ctron.com [134.141.65.91]) by shadowfax.ctron.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA12159 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by thoth (4.1/4.7) id AA15738; Wed, 24 Apr 96 10:53:00 EDT Message-Id: <317E404C.62319AC4@ctron.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:53:00 -0400 From: Alexander Seth Jones Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: AIFF-C source? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anybody know of any public domain AIFF-C implementation source code, preferably C/C++? Thanks. Alex Jones From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 24 11:43:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08116 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08110 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id NAA13726 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:42:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:42:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199604241842.NAA13726@plains.nodak.edu> To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 30fps with vic? Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > would want only MPEG 1 quality, but leased/wider bandwidth networks will use > MPEG 2. unfortunately, MPEG 2 capture boards are very expensive ($4-5K). > > You know of MPEG 2 caputure boards in that range? Who makes them? for those that are interested in where I got the ballpark prices of MPEG-2 prices is in an article in April 15, 1996 PC Week (see once in a while there is something interesting in a rag) page 10 under the article "C-Cube on a roll with MPEG-2 chips for PC video production" (possibly accessible thru http://www.pcweek.com/). This article introduces C-Cube MPEG-2 chipset. In the article they claim "at least three of C-Cube's cutomers - Optivision Inc, of Palo Alto CA; Otibase Inc of Dallas TX; and FutureTel inc of Sunnyvale CA - will announce PC addin boards based on the chip sets this week at the National Association of Broadcasters show in Las Vegas. the boards are expected to have prices of around $4000." A couple of weeks ago in PC week, they talked about IBM's 3 chip MPEG-2 processing chips that will be available in early summer. they estimated a capture cards using these chips would cost $2500. In last week's MacWeek (again embarassed to be a rag reader) I tried to find it but I could not I think it is in the April 8 edition, it mentioned a shipping, PCI bussed, single pass, MPEG-2 capture card for $4000. --mark. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 24 23:57:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA20787 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA20778 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA00413; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:56:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199604250656.XAA00413@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Mark Tinguely cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 30fps with vic? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:05:35 CDT." <199604241405.JAA00245@plains.nodak.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:56:53 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Mark Tinguely said: > > > From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." > > > > > > Say has anyone managed to get 30fps with CIF geometry (352x288) ? > > > > > > Tnks, > > > Amancio > > > > > From: "Jim Lowe" > > Sure, if I point my camera at a wall I get 30fps, 40kbps, in h.261 mode > > with vic. If I just do raw frame captures I can get 640x480x4x30fps. > > > > -Jim > > Yep, the compression of moving images causes the lower frame rate and increa sed > bandwidth. Because of this, IMHO, full quality video will require the > compression to be done on the capture board. for internet use, we probably > would want only MPEG 1 quality, but leased/wider bandwidth networks will use > MPEG 2. unfortunately, MPEG 2 capture boards are very expensive ($4-5K). Hi, My next question is: has anyone done a profile analysis on vic / h.261 to see if vic's performance can be improved? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Apr 25 01:23:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA24684 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA24678 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA04306; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:23:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199604250823.BAA04306@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: multimedia@freebsd.org cc: Josh MacDonald Subject: Quickcam driver latest?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:23:19 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tnks, Amancio ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: jmacd@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.4]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA03174 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:16:12 -0700 Received: from paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.34.47]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA24357 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmacd@localhost) by paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA24558 for ahasty@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:16:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:16:09 -0700 From: Josh MacDonald Message-Id: <199604250816.BAA24558@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU> To: ahasty@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: QuickCam driver Do you know of a QuickCam driver for FreeBSD/Unix? I'm sorry I haven't been following your mailing list, so I don't know if this has been discussed. - -josh ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Apr 25 06:56:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA10741 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 06:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10734 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 06:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA03456 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:56:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 25 Apr 96 08:56 CDT Received: by mars.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 25 Apr 96 08:56 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Leased lines, etc To: multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:56:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Jonas Olsson" Cc: jonas@mcs.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to figure out what network access to use for internet access for the company I work for (AccuMed Intl.). My current idea is to get a 56kbps or 64kbps leased line. What is needed for being able to use this for speach and video-conferencing? Does the ISP have to be on mbone? Has anyone had experience with the various ways of having a relatively low-speed link (56/64 kbps) and using some router with "bandwidth on demand". Some models (Ascend 130) have 56 kbps line with 4:1 compression and extra ISDN that be used to temporarily boost speed, or having an extra 56/64 kbps switched circuit. Does anyone happen to recommend an ISP for downtown Chicago? I've found a small local ISP with a single T1 to internet. This doesn't seem that good but instead they are quite professional (They mostly have company customers, no personal) and can setup something custom for us. Their charge ($250/month + $138/month for line) is also about as low as you get here. Jonas From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Apr 25 07:10:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA11677 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.9.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11672 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA19519; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:10:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:10:15 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199604251410.JAA19519@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, tinguely@plains.nodak.edu Subject: Re: 30fps with vic? Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." > > My next question is: has anyone done a profile analysis on vic / h.261 to > see if vic's performance can be improved? > To answer to your question, no I have not done profiling of vic, but I have thought of ways to speed it and other algorithms like it up by making the device drivers we support for video capture a little smarter. One way vic/h.261 and other algorithms like it could be improved would be to eliminate the copying of data. I have thought of adding a ``vic'' capture mode to the meteor device driver to speed things up. Basically vic uses a buffer that looks like: xxxxxxxxxx .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... xxxxxxxxxx The ``.''s are the actual video data and the ``x''s are scratch buffers for the encoding algorithm (h.261 or whatever). Vic's internal buffer is rows * cols + 2 * cols (see grabber.cc for details). If one used synchronous capture mode and could specify where the video capture driver was suppose to put the data, then one could create a buffer for vic, let the driver do the work (via dma) and avoid the copy from the mmaped area to a vic work area. This would save a fair amount of coping time and speed up the encoding rate. The time you would save is the time it takes to copy a 358x244x2x30fps from one memory location to another. Since the memory bandwidth of a Triton MB is about 40Meg/Sec (mem to mem), this copy alone would take up about 1/8 of total memory bandwidth. If you were going to create a user memory encoding capture mode, then you would want something that does 4:1:1 or 4:2:2 and dma's the data directly from the card into user space. A capture mode like this would come in handy for mpeg and jpeg encoders as well as a TV player :-). There is a bug with the Philips SAA7116 chip that would not allow range checking to work if you wanted to dma directly into user space. Also, the user memory would have to be locked into an actual physical location all the time. I am not certain if there is a FreeBSD kernel VM function that will allow one to do this. In any case, the source code is available :-). -Jim From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Apr 25 08:22:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA16620 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (root@xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16611 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (smpatel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA00900; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: "Brant M. Katkansky" cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound Blaster 16 PnP In-Reply-To: <199604251421.HAA03832@dtr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Followup redirected to multimedia@freebsd.org] On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Brant M. Katkansky wrote: > Anybody have any luck getting a Sound Blaster 16 PnP working under 2.1? I don't believe anyone has gotten this card to work yet (Has anyone tried a DOS init like the GUS PnP). Hopefully, support for this card will be added to -current in a few months. Sujal From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Apr 25 09:27:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA20124 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.9.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20118 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA27122; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:27:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:27:09 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199604251627.LAA27122@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: jonas@mcs.com, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Leased lines, etc Cc: jonas@mcs.net Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: "Lars Jonas Olsson" > > I'm trying to figure out what network access to use for internet > access for the company I work for (AccuMed Intl.). My current > idea is to get a 56kbps or 64kbps leased line. I would avoid either of these -- just because they are too slow. > > What is needed for being able to use this for speach and > video-conferencing? Does the ISP have to be on mbone? It depends on what type of conferencing you want to do. Typically a min of 128kbps (or 1 ISDN line) is required for point to point video conferencing. If you want to do Internet and Mbone type conferencing, then a T1 is really the min. ADSL or a simular technology would be ideal for Internet and Mbone combination link. What I would look into is finding out what ISPs are wired to the same telephone switching office (usually called the central office) as you. In downtown Chicago, there should be an ISP in the same central office as you. Then call Ameritech and find out how much a ``dry circuit'' between you and one of these ISPs costs and how many K-ft the circuit is (finding someone inside of Ameritech that knows what a dry circuit is may take a little while). I would then contact PairGain (http://www.pairgain.com) and figure out what the best modem combination would be for you. You should be able to set up, at a min, a 384kbps connection between you and your ISP for minimal cost -Jim From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Apr 25 10:45:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA24699 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24687 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10075 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:44:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 25 Apr 96 12:44 CDT Received: by mars.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 25 Apr 96 12:44 CDT Message-Id: Subject: ADSL/HDSL To: multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:44:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Jonas Olsson" Cc: jonas@mcs.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've followed the lead from Jim Lowe. I called Ameritech and asked what central office I'm in and got a list of telephone prefixes for that office. Using an ISP list (http://thelist.com) I couls then find two ISPs using the same office. I also asked for the "dry circuit". I got to the special services division that sells analog leased lines. These lines are called 3002. I can get 2-wire or 4-wire ones and they would cost $350 install and $32 - $36 / month. They said these lines do not have any signalling and probably is what is meant by "dry circuit". Is this true? After checking http://www.pairgain.com I found many references to HDSL but none to ADSL. Would I use ADSL or HDSL modems? Is anyone on this list using this kind of setup? Jonas From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Apr 25 12:37:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA03986 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.9.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03976 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA15091; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:37:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:37:26 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199604251937.OAA15091@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: jonas@mcs.com, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ADSL/HDSL Cc: jonas@mcs.net Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: "Lars Jonas Olsson" > > I've followed the lead from Jim Lowe. I called Ameritech and asked > what central office I'm in and got a list of telephone prefixes for > that office. Using an ISP list (http://thelist.com) I couls then find > two ISPs using the same office. > I also asked for the "dry circuit". I got to the special services > division that sells analog leased lines. These lines are called > 3002. I can get 2-wire or 4-wire ones and they would cost $350 install > and $32 - $36 / month. They said these lines do not have any > signalling and probably is what is meant by "dry circuit". Is this > true? Umm... I beleive a 3002 circuit is a standard analog leased line. It is still a switched circuit. This is not a ``dry circuit''. Possibly the people at PainGain might be able to help you weed through Ameritech and get a price on a dry circuit. If you don't get anywhere, give me a holler and I will send our local reps name/number. She might be able to direct you to the correct person for your area. Before you can really make a decision you will need to know the distance between your site and the ISP in K-miles. That is, K-miles or K-meters of wire. Ameritech will have to supply you with those distances. > After checking http://www.pairgain.com I found many references to > HDSL but none to ADSL. Would I use ADSL or HDSL modems? > Is anyone on this list using this kind of setup? > You probably want to call and talk to them about their product line. They can explain the differences and the new products they are coming out with that are not on their web page. There is also the cable modem technology. I don't know how far that is in the Chicago area, but it is another possibility. http://com21.com has details on that area. -Jim From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Apr 25 13:34:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA08045 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08035 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Thu, 25 Apr 96 16:34:35 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM (fergus-27.dialup.cfa.org) by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Thu, 25 Apr 96 16:34:29 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA02906; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:34:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:34:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199604252134.QAA02906@compound.Think.COM> From: Tony Kimball To: jonas@mcs.com Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: (jonas@mcs.com) Subject: Re: ADSL/HDSL Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:44:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Jonas Olsson" After checking http://www.pairgain.com I found many references to HDSL but none to ADSL. Would I use ADSL or HDSL modems? Is anyone on this list using this kind of setup? Jonas HDSL/ADSL/SDSL are different terms for the same technology. For the most part ADSL chipsets will support SDSL/HDSL (but not the AT&T CAP chipset now used by WilTell). I believe the PairGain EtherModems are probably your best bet for cheap SDSL -- I do not believe they offer adaptive or tunable assymetry, a limitation probably motivated by simplicity of design and target market, but the last I heard they were not available until June, and then MSRP is ~$1000 per unit, of which you will need two. They probably will not interoperate with any other xDSL products, now or ever, but I doubt that you would care. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Apr 25 20:50:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA05812 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05770 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id UAA25948 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA00779; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 23:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199604260349.XAA00779@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Authentication-Warning: whizzo.transsys.com: Host localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Jim Lowe cc: jonas@mcs.com, multimedia@freebsd.org, jonas@mcs.net From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: ADSL/HDSL References: <199604251937.OAA15091@miller.cs.uwm.edu> In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:37:26 CDT." <199604251937.OAA15091@miller.cs.uwm.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 23:49:05 -0400 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Umm... I beleive a 3002 circuit is a standard analog leased line. It is > still a switched circuit. This is not a ``dry circuit''. Huh? A 3002 circuit is not a switched circuit; it's a private line between two end points. It may not be a dry copper circuit; after all, it'a an analog leased line and there could be loading coils on it or it might be muxed up on a T1 carrier facility for transport through a channel bank. But it doesn't go through a CO switch; it runs over dedicated facilities. I'd suggest the next step would be to find an ISP that actually terminate the other end of one of these things. louie From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Apr 26 01:53:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA25353 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA25344 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA00740 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:53:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199604260853.BAA00740@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: VideoCD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:53:51 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Guys, Whats the latest on reading videocd? Tnks, Amancio ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au Received: from plan9.cs.su.oz.au (worf.plan9.cs.su.oz.au [129.78.96.37]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA00647 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:44:40 -0700 From: beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au Message-Id: <199604260844.BAA00647@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 18:02:05 EST To: hasty@star-gate.com Subject: help reading VideoCD Hi Amancio, I found your name in the Omnimedia web page as a reference to reading data from VideoCD CDROM. I've been trying to do that for a while but all I got is an ill formatted MPEG file which only shows the top 10-15% of the screen. I need the data for some experiments I'm doing with a video server as part of PhD. I tried with different modes (mode 2 form 2) using an ATAPI CDROM but all of them seen similar. I actually have to scan the data until I find a MPEG start sequence and then pipe the rest to a mpeg2play. I noticed there is a ISO9600 file system in the track 1 but the same happens if I read the data in this way. 1) Is VideoCD compatible with MPEG1? 2) How are you reading the data? Any comment or help would be appreciated. beto ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Apr 26 02:59:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA28668 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 02:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA28662 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 02:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA29537 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 02:59:29 -0700 (PDT) To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone using CUSeeme with FreeBSD? Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 02:59:29 -0700 Message-ID: <29535.830512769@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As a client I mean, not as a reflector. I'd love to see what all the hoopla is about, but I can't figure out how to use nv or vic with CUSeeme, even though I'd heard that nv supported it and it's listed as one of the encoding options. All I have is a collection of IP addresses for various reflectors, no port numbers or anything else special. BTW, anyone planning to upgrade nv to tcl7.5? I notice that our version in ports no longer compiles. Jordan From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Apr 26 06:08:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA06095 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 06:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from charlotte.spiders.com (charlotte.spiders.com [199.224.7.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA06077 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 06:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gwh@localhost) by charlotte.spiders.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA22884; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:10:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199604261310.JAA22884@charlotte.spiders.com> From: gwh@spiders.com (Gene W Homicki) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:10:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message as of Apr 26, 2:59 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone using CUSeeme with FreeBSD? Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk +--- | I'd love to see what all the hoopla is about, but I can't figure out +--- There really isn't any "hoopla" as far as I know, not when you've already used the MBONE. Point-to-point connections with reflectors are pretty wasteful of bandwidth, but CuSeeMe doesn't support mcast, so.... (if I'm wrong about that, let me know). The best thing to use the reflector for is to allow CuSeeMe clients to access the MBONE. +--- | how to use nv or vic with CUSeeme, even though I'd heard that nv | supported it and it's listed as one of the encoding options. All I | have is a collection of IP addresses for various reflectors, no port | numbers or anything else special. +--- The reflector has to be setup to support nv. I believe its a compile time, or at least configuration option, and its not a default. +--- | BTW, anyone planning to upgrade nv to tcl7.5? I notice that our version | in ports no longer compiles. +--- Ron Frederick (frederick@parc.xerox.com), the author of nv, started the port a long while ago, but never completeed it. He's currently in the middle of other things so I don't think he'll be completing the port anytime soon. Someone could probably email him to get the sources for his partial upgrade and finish it. --Gene -- Gene W. Homicki gwh@spiders.com Objective Consulting, Inc. http://www.spiders.com/ Internet Presence Design voice: +1 914.353.3511 From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Apr 26 06:17:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA06448 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.9.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06443 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 06:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA24354; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 08:17:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 08:17:22 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199604261317.IAA24354@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: louie@TransSys.COM Subject: Re: ADSL/HDSL Cc: jonas@mcs.com, jonas@mcs.net, multimedia@freebsd.org Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk . From: "Louis A. Mamakos" . . > Umm... I beleive a 3002 circuit is a standard analog leased line. It is . > still a switched circuit. This is not a ``dry circuit''. . . Huh? A 3002 circuit is not a switched circuit; it's a private line . between two end points. It may not be a dry copper circuit; after . all, it'a an analog leased line and there could be loading coils on it . or it might be muxed up on a T1 carrier facility for transport through . a channel bank. But it doesn't go through a CO switch; it runs over . dedicated facilities. Yes. You are indeed correct. I think what I was thinking of is that there are still electronics (or could be) in a 3002 circuit. In any case, for the A/S/HDSL stuff, you just want dry circuits. I think I also mentioned that you will want the length of the circuit in k-miles. Well, while k-miles can be converted, I think you want the circuit length in k-ft. As Louis suggested, getting an ISP involved with the discussions on this would be most helpful for both parties. -Jim From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Apr 26 06:56:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA08412 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 06:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA08401 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 06:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id IAA01474; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 08:55:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 08:55:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199604261355.IAA01474@plains.nodak.edu> To: gwh@spiders.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone using CUSeeme with FreeBSD? Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The reflector has to be setup to support nv. I believe its a > compile time, or at least configuration option, and its not a default. it also takes parameters in the reflector's configuration file also. you set the multicast address and port. you have to use that address/port in nv. --mark. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Apr 26 17:03:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA12900 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (precipice.shockwave.com [171.69.108.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12894 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.shockwave.com (localhost.shockwave.com [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10964; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604270002.RAA10964@precipice.shockwave.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.6 3/24/96 To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: multimedia@freebsd.org, Josh MacDonald Subject: Re: Quickcam driver latest?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:23:19 PDT." <199604250823.BAA04306@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:02:09 -0700 From: Paul Traina Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ftp://ftp.shockwave.com/pub/users/pst/qcamdriver/ ... Or get freebsd -current. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Apr 27 02:13:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-multimedia Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA07711 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 02:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silver.sms.fi (root@silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA07706 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 02:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA17677; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 12:12:57 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 12:12:57 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199604270912.MAA17677@silver.sms.fi> From: Petri Helenius To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: sound driver for stable Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to work the snd01041996.tar.gz package into my 2.1-STABLE but I'm not having too much success since I was not able to find instructions how to put it in. Untarring the file and updating files.i386, after config and make depend during make I get: cc -c -O -W -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -nostdinc -I. -I../.. -I../../sys -I../../../include -DSILVER -DI586_CPU -DI486_CPU -DCOM_MULTIPORT -DMROUTING -DCOMPAT_LINUX -DCHILD_MAX=128 -DSBC_IRQ=5 -DEXCLUDE_SBPRO -DALLOW_CONFLICT_IOADDR -DSYSVMSG -DSYSVSEM -DSYSVSHM -DCOMPAT_IBCS2 -DKTRACE -DBOUNCE_BUFFERS -DNCONS=4 -DSCSI_DELAY=15 -DFAT_CURSOR -DUCONSOLE -DCOMPAT_43 -DPROCFS -DCD9660 -DMSDOSFS -DNFS -DFFS -DINET -DKERNEL -Di386 -DLOAD_ADDRESS=0xF0100000 ../../i386/isa/sound/dmabuf.c ../../i386/isa/sound/dmabuf.c: In function `DMAbuf_inputintr': ../../i386/isa/sound/dmabuf.c:1444: `selinfo' undeclared (first use this function) ../../i386/isa/sound/dmabuf.c:1444: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ../../i386/isa/sound/dmabuf.c:1444: for each function it appears in.) *** Error code 1 Stop. Any ideas? Pete