From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun May 12 02:52:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA10629 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 02:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA10621 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 02:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA28906; Sun, 12 May 1996 11:50:49 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA21779; Sun, 12 May 1996 11:50:48 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA06394; Sun, 12 May 1996 11:41:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605120941.LAA06394@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: NCR SCSI hanging after reboot To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 11:41:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: dcmyers@access.digex.net Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199605120038.RAA10572@freebsd.interramp.com> from "dcmyers@access.digex.net" at "May 11, 96 05:38:01 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As dcmyers@access.digex.net wrote: > > Has anybody else experienced this? Whenever I reboot after having been > using FreeBSD, my NCR 53C810-based SCSI card (Asus SC-200) hangs -- > the NCR BIOS message comes up, but it never finds any disks. It will > hang there forever, until I cycle the power. After doing that, everything > works okay -- I can boot into DOS or FreeBSD. Plug'nPray? I'm experiencing similar behaviour on my machine at work. It simply can't auto-boot. It passes all POST tests, and then hangs with a message ``Initializing Plug and Play cards''. It's an Elite mainboard, in newer BIOSes of these boards, the Plague&Pray test can be disabled, and everything works fine. (Argl!) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun May 12 08:35:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA25742 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 08:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [193.100.176.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAB25736 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 08:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from robkaos.UUCP (admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id RAA07390 for freebsd.org!freebsd-scsi; Sun, 12 May 1996 17:10:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by robkaos.ruhr.de (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.1) id ; Sun, 12 May 96 17:10 MET DST Message-Id: From: robsch@robkaos.ruhr.de (Robert Schien) Subject: multisession CDs To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 17:10:15 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When will FreeBSD be able to read all sessions of multisession (and multivolume) CD-ROMs? This feature is missing since version 1.x. Robert From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun May 12 09:08:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA27423 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 09:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sierra.zyzzyva.com (ppp0.zyzzyva.com [198.183.2.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27418 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 09:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zyzzyva.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sierra.zyzzyva.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA21202 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 11:08:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605121608.LAA21202@sierra.zyzzyva.com> To: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: mirroring X-uri: http://www.zyzzyva.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 11:08:00 -0500 From: Randy Terbush Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does FreeBSD-2.1.0 support any SCSI controllers capable of of RAID mirroring support? From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun May 12 10:51:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA03542 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 10:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03531 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 10:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id TAA07358; Sun, 12 May 1996 19:50:34 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA26783; Sun, 12 May 1996 19:50:33 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01154; Sun, 12 May 1996 19:40:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605121740.TAA01154@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: multisession CDs To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:40:26 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: robsch@robkaos.ruhr.de (Robert Schien) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from Robert Schien at "May 12, 96 05:10:15 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Robert Schien wrote: > When will FreeBSD be able to read all sessions of > multisession (and multivolume) CD-ROMs? As soon as you've been implementing it. ;) I still failed to find any documentation for this, it's not part of the SCSI 2 specs. Anyway, i didn't try too hard. The problem of how to name these devices so the naming remains orthogonal with the rest of the disks hasn't been solved either. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun May 12 12:25:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA09027 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 12 May 1996 12:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09022 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 12:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA00880; Sun, 12 May 1996 12:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 12:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605121925.MAA00880@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: randy@zyzzyva.com CC: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199605121608.LAA21202@sierra.zyzzyva.com> (message from Randy Terbush on Sun, 12 May 1996 11:08:00 -0500) Subject: Re: mirroring From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Does FreeBSD-2.1.0 support any SCSI controllers capable of of RAID * mirroring support? No, but there is a software striping/mirroring device driver called "ccd" in -current and -stable. You can use an ordinary SCSI controller to manage a mirrored volume! :) See http://stampede.cs.berkeley.edu/ccd/ for details. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue May 14 09:58:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA23808 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23803 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA26504; Tue, 14 May 1996 09:58:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 09:58:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Exabyte Tape Drive Firmware Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I'm looking at purchasing a TTI CTS-8510HXL 8mm (exabyte) tape drive for use on a FreeBSD machine. As this is a zoomy, expensive, fancy tape drive, I've got a coupla questions: * Will the front panel display work with the FreeBSD scsi tape drivers? (I ask this because I'm using a CTS-8000 right now upon which the front panel display doesn't seem to work.) * Apparently I can do periodic firmware updates to this beastie. Is there any method within FreeBSD to do these firmware updates? I've never done one, never seen one, don't know what they look like, but I'd like to know beforehand if I'm going to be able to cope with them. The PC is a 486-66, I'm going to be using an AHA-1542CF ISA contoller to talk to the tape drive. Any thoughts? Thanks, Brian From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue May 14 15:52:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA18394 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA18246 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA16323; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:51:03 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA26444; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:51:02 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA02052; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:30:30 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605142230.AAA02052@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Exabyte Tape Drive Firmware To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 00:30:30 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: handy@sag.space.lockheed.com (Brian N. Handy) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Brian N. Handy" at "May 14, 96 09:58:23 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Brian N. Handy wrote: > * Apparently I can do periodic firmware updates to this beastie. Is > there any method within FreeBSD to do these firmware updates? I once tried to upgrade the firmware for my Tandberg tape drive using scsi(8), but eventually gave up since the Tandberg seems to require getting everything in a single SCSI transfer, but our transfers are currently limited to 64 KB per SCSI command by physio(9). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue May 14 15:56:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA18685 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA18648 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA24570; Tue, 14 May 1996 15:55:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:55:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: Joerg Wunsch Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exabyte Tape Drive Firmware In-Reply-To: <199605142230.AAA02052@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I wrote: > > * Apparently I can do periodic firmware updates to this beastie. Is > > there any method within FreeBSD to do these firmware updates? Joerg responded: > I once tried to upgrade the firmware for my Tandberg tape drive using > scsi(8), but eventually gave up since the Tandberg seems to require > getting everything in a single SCSI transfer, but our transfers are > currently limited to 64 KB per SCSI command by physio(9). I just called TTI with this same question. I'm not at all clear on if I'll ever even have to do a firmware upgrade. At any rate, the way they said firmware updates are handled is just by spinning a special firmware upgrade tape in the drive. I'm probably going to get this drive, I'll make a report later on how things are going. Brian From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue May 14 16:37:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA23840 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw1.att.com (gw1.att.com [192.20.239.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23832; Tue, 14 May 1996 16:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA23831; Tue, 14 May 96 19:34:35 EDT From: gtc@aloft.att.com (gary.corcoran) To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from aloft (aloft.cnet.att.com) by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-M4.3) id AA06561; Tue, 14 May 96 19:37:18 EDT Received: from stargazer (stargazer.cnet.att.com) by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M5.1) id AA19301; Tue, 14 May 96 19:37:24 EDT Received: by stargazer (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA04613; Tue, 14 May 96 19:37:22 EDT Date: Tue, 14 May 96 19:37:22 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!aloft!gtc (gary.corcoran) Message-Id: <9605142337.AA04613@stargazer> Original-To: freebsd.org!questions Subject: Re: Partitioning a 23.4 Giga Byte Original-Cc: freebsd.org!freebsd-scsi Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Regarding this huge new drive: >Seagate have just released a 23.4 Gbyte HD, and we are looking at them to >supplement our multiple 9GB HD's we currently use for our FTP server. > >Will freebsd allow a file system this large ??? Another related question, and perhaps what the poster meant to ask: Will such a huge drive be fully usable (i.e. all 23G) within the "IBM- compatible" world of SCSI controllers? Aren't PC-compatible SCSI controllers limited to 8G of disk space (on a single disk), due to the (stupid) limitations on maximum heads/cylinders/sectors imposed by PC history?... :-( Gary From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue May 14 18:42:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA01675 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 18:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01662; Tue, 14 May 1996 18:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id CAA00510; Wed, 15 May 1996 02:40:44 +0100 (BST) To: gtc@aloft.att.com (gary.corcoran) cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Partitioning a 23.4 Giga Byte In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 May 1996 19:37:22 EDT." <9605142337.AA04613@stargazer> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 02:40:44 +0100 Message-ID: <508.832124444@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk gary.corcoran wrote in message ID <9605142337.AA04613@stargazer>: > Will such a huge drive be fully usable (i.e. all 23G) within the "IBM- > compatible" world of SCSI controllers? Aren't PC-compatible SCSI > controllers limited to 8G of disk space (on a single disk), due to > the (stupid) limitations on maximum heads/cylinders/sectors imposed > by PC history?... :-( Yes, I've seen a 9Gb drive ``fully used'' (df reported over 8Gb available anyhow) on an Adaptec 1742 EISA controller... The BIOS limits only apply when you are using a BIOS, after all... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD - Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info. From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue May 14 19:23:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA04559 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 14 May 1996 19:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04554 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 19:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Penny.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.217]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id TAA21163 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 19:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01I4PEBKUJ74CDTI8T@Arizona.EDU> for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 May 1996 18:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost by sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08089; Tue, 14 May 1996 18:10:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 18:10:55 -0700 From: Doug Wellington Subject: DTC scsi adapters... To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Cc: doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov Message-id: <9605150110.AA08089@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello SCSI hackers... I have been in contact with DTC and I hope to be receiving programming info from them. I hope to be able to write a SCSI driver for the DTC 3270 and 3274 boards. I told the contact there that I would want technical specs on the card, and that I would want to release all of the code I write to the world. I'm not sure what he thought of that, but I hope I was able to convince him that by giving me the specs, he would open up a new market for DTC products. He took my name and number and promised to call me back. We'll see... Anybody else interested in this? -Doug Doug Wellington doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov System and Network Administrator US Geological Survey Tucson, AZ Project Office (602) 670-6821 x26 According to proposed Federal guidelines, this message is a "non-record". Hmm, I wonder if _everything_ I say is a "non-record"... The hardest thing in the world is to truly think for oneself. It is amazing how many people have let angst replace their self confidence. From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu May 16 04:01:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA18090 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 04:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA18057 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 04:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id NAA19530; Thu, 16 May 1996 13:00:47 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA15758; Thu, 16 May 1996 13:00:47 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA01593; Thu, 16 May 1996 12:45:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605161045.MAA01593@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Exabyte Tape Drive Firmware To: scsi@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:45:02 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: handy@sag.space.lockheed.com (Brian N. Handy) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Brian N. Handy" at "May 14, 96 03:55:10 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Brian N. Handy wrote: > I just called TTI with this same question. I'm not at all clear on if > I'll ever even have to do a firmware upgrade. At any rate, the way they > said firmware updates are handled is just by spinning a special firmware > upgrade tape in the drive. That's surprising. SCSI-2 has precautions for downloading firmware (it's done via a WRITE BUFFER command), so i wonder why they didn't pick this route? I know that at least the Exabyte 2502 drives do use WRITE BUFFER. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu May 16 06:35:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA00717 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 06:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00698; Thu, 16 May 1996 06:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA04792; Thu, 16 May 1996 23:15:51 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605161345.XAA04792@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Tandberg contacts anyone To: scsi@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:15:50 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Grr. Just had my trusty Tandberg TDC3660 die on me in the middle of a run with a HARDWARE FAILURE, asc:55,0, field replaceable unit: 6. Anyone with contacts at Tandberg or references that might be able to give me some idea where to look? A strip and rebuild doesn't show any obvious signs of death, and as I said it was running along fine, and just stopped. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu May 16 06:35:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA00741 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 06:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [193.100.176.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00733 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 06:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from robkaos.UUCP (admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id PAA10356 for freebsd.org!freebsd-scsi; Thu, 16 May 1996 15:05:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by robkaos.ruhr.de (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.1) id ; Thu, 16 May 96 15:04 MET DST Message-Id: From: robsch@robkaos.ruhr.de (Robert Schien) Subject: start/stop unit To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:04:41 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I want to turn off an unused SCSI hard drive. I tried scsi -f /dev/rsd0.ctl "1b 0 0 0 0 0" but this does not work : ( What is the correct form? BTW, the drive is a Conner 2105S. It's a little bit noisy :(( TIA Robert From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu May 16 18:04:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA22552 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 18:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nol.net (root@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22547; Thu, 16 May 1996 18:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dazed.nol.net (blh@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by nol.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA24585; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:04:14 -0500 (CDT) X-AUTH: NOLNET SENDMAIL AUTH Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 20:04:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "Brett L. Hawn" To: "gary.corcoran" cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning a 23.4 Giga Byte In-Reply-To: <9605142337.AA04613@stargazer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 May 1996, gary.corcoran wrote: > Another related question, and perhaps what the poster meant to ask: > > Will such a huge drive be fully usable (i.e. all 23G) within the "IBM- > compatible" world of SCSI controllers? Aren't PC-compatible SCSI > controllers limited to 8G of disk space (on a single disk), due to > the (stupid) limitations on maximum heads/cylinders/sectors imposed > by PC history?... :-( > > Gary > Most assuredly not, I have several 9gig drives stacked on an Adaptec 2940UW card which is running on a pentium 120 system w/ FreeBSD 2.1. brett From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu May 16 20:10:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03388 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03375 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com ([198.145.92.241]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id UAA08505 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA07489; Thu, 16 May 1996 20:07:41 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605170307.UAA07489@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Exabyte Tape Drive Firmware To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 20:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, handy@sag.space.lockheed.com In-Reply-To: <199605161045.MAA01593@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "May 16, 96 12:45:02 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Brian N. Handy wrote: > > > I just called TTI with this same question. I'm not at all clear on if > > I'll ever even have to do a firmware upgrade. At any rate, the way they > > said firmware updates are handled is just by spinning a special firmware > > upgrade tape in the drive. > > That's surprising. SCSI-2 has precautions for downloading firmware > (it's done via a WRITE BUFFER command), so i wonder why they didn't > pick this route? I know that at least the Exabyte 2502 drives do use > WRITE BUFFER. Picking the WRITE BUFFER route would require them to support N operating systems and M controllers, it is much simpler for the vendor to support a ``stuff this tape in your drive and magic will happen''. It works no matter what OS your using, and no matter what controller. Archive/Conner does this for the Python DAT drive series as well. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri May 17 05:40:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA13526 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 05:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda (ip1-max1-fitch.zipnet.net [199.232.245.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA13521 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 05:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA11989; Fri, 17 May 1996 08:49:25 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199605171249.IAA11989@hda> Subject: Re: start/stop unit To: robsch@robkaos.ruhr.de (Robert Schien) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 08:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Robert Schien" at May 16, 96 03:04:41 pm Reply-to: hdalog@zipnet.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I want to turn off an unused SCSI hard drive. I tried > > scsi -f /dev/rsd0.ctl "1b 0 0 0 0 0" > > but this does not work : ( You need at least a "-c" in there to tell it that this is a command, i.e., > scsi -f /dev/rsd0.ctl -c "1b 0 0 0 0 0" You also need to be prepared to discover bugs in the SCSI system - this may work, this may not. Aside: I don't want to discourage you from screwing around with "-c" - it is great for prototyping and I've used it in bringing up interfaces to a few screwy devices without having to do anything but command files. But keep in mind that you are operating without a safety net and you are likely to find problems. A second scsi bus, if you have it, is the safest way to go until you are sure everything works OK. -- Temporarily via "hdalog@zipnet.net"... Peter Dufault Real-Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri May 17 07:51:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA21954 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 07:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA21943 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 07:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id QAA28306 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:51:02 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id QAA00460 for scsi@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:51:02 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA06138 for scsi@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 May 1996 15:44:28 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605171344.PAA06138@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Exabyte Tape Drive Firmware To: scsi@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:44:28 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199605170307.UAA07489@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at "May 16, 96 08:07:41 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > Picking the WRITE BUFFER route would require them to support N operating > systems and M controllers, ... Everything i've seen so far didn't do this. They didn't support any operating systems, i.e. the software was only able to be launched from The Unintelligent Program Loader, and i think they only supported ASPI as the interface. At least Tandberg does it this way. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri May 17 07:51:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA22080 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 07:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22042 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 07:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id QAA28356; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:51:31 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id QAA00476; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:51:31 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA06446; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:12:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605171412.QAA06446@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: start/stop unit To: robsch@robkaos.ruhr.de (Robert Schien) Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 16:12:52 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from Robert Schien at "May 16, 96 03:04:41 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Robert Schien wrote: > I want to turn off an unused SCSI hard drive. I tried > > scsi -f /dev/rsd0.ctl "1b 0 0 0 0 0" > > but this does not work : ( It's supposed to. See my posting in de.comp.os.unix. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri May 17 08:09:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA23460 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 08:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crooow.wcupa.edu (crooow.wcupa.edu [144.26.15.139]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23433; Fri, 17 May 1996 08:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pschwenk@localhost) by crooow.wcupa.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA23698; Fri, 17 May 1996 11:04:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:04:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Schwenk To: "gary.corcoran" cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning a 23.4 Giga Byte In-Reply-To: <9605142337.AA04613@stargazer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Most of the time, you aren't using the BIOS (FreeBSD case) or you are using the BIOS that resides on the host adapter (DOS and sometimes FreeBSD), so my guess would be that you would have no problem. - Peter Schwenk, Academic Computing, West Chester University of Pennsylvania - pschwenk@wcupa.edu On Tue, 14 May 1996, gary.corcoran wrote: > > Regarding this huge new drive: > > >Seagate have just released a 23.4 Gbyte HD, and we are looking at them to > >supplement our multiple 9GB HD's we currently use for our FTP server. > > > >Will freebsd allow a file system this large ??? > > Another related question, and perhaps what the poster meant to ask: > > Will such a huge drive be fully usable (i.e. all 23G) within the "IBM- > compatible" world of SCSI controllers? Aren't PC-compatible SCSI > controllers limited to 8G of disk space (on a single disk), due to > the (stupid) limitations on maximum heads/cylinders/sectors imposed > by PC history?... :-( > > Gary > > From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri May 17 14:33:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA21758 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw1.att.com (gw1.att.com [192.20.239.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21749 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA28048; Fri, 17 May 96 16:37:36 EDT From: gtc@aloft.att.com (gary.corcoran) To: scsi@freebsd.org Received: from aloft (aloft.cnet.att.com) by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-M4.3) id AA07634; Fri, 17 May 96 16:40:04 EDT Received: from stargazer (stargazer.cnet.att.com) by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M5.1) id AA19456; Fri, 17 May 96 16:40:11 EDT Received: by stargazer (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA02005; Fri, 17 May 96 16:40:08 EDT Date: Fri, 17 May 96 16:40:08 EDT Original-From: aluxpo!aloft!gtc (gary.corcoran) Message-Id: <9605172040.AA02005@stargazer> Original-To: freebsd.org!scsi Subject: Re: Exabyte Tape Drive Firmware Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk => That's surprising. SCSI-2 has precautions for downloading firmware => (it's done via a WRITE BUFFER command), so i wonder why they didn't => pick this route? I know that at least the Exabyte 2502 drives do use => WRITE BUFFER. = =Picking the WRITE BUFFER route would require them to support N operating =systems and M controllers, it is much simpler for the vendor to support =a ``stuff this tape in your drive and magic will happen''. It works no =matter what OS your using, and no matter what controller. = =Archive/Conner does this for the Python DAT drive series as well. I'm curious about two things: 1. Does anyone know if the HP DAT drives are upgradable in this magic way? 2. Is the magic something proprietary to the particular hardware vendor, or is there some special (but standard) SCSI tape code, for example, that is used to signal "internal firmware upgrade" when read from a tape? Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri May 17 14:53:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA22693 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from multivac.orthanc.com (root@multivac.orthanc.com [206.12.238.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22686; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orodruin.orthanc.com (root@orodruin.orthanc.com [206.12.238.3]) by multivac.orthanc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01189; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (lyndon@localhost) by orodruin.orthanc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16143; Fri, 17 May 1996 14:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605172152.OAA16143@orodruin.orthanc.com> X-Authentication-Warning: orodruin.orthanc.com: lyndon owned process doing -bs X-Authentication-Warning: orodruin.orthanc.com: Host lyndon@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? Reply-To: salyzyn@inet.dpt.com Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:52:47 -0700 From: Lyndon Nerenberg Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm forwarding this on Mark's behalf. If you would like to see FreeBSD support for DPT's SCSI controllers, please let him know. --lyndon ------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 15 May 96 08:58:27 EST From: "Salyzyn" To: Lyndon Nerenberg Subject: FreeBSD driver My boss wants me to investigate the market need for the FreeBSD driver. I have only three people I can reference at this moment, could you assertain a larger number of interested parties to give it some clout when I propose the need to develop the driver (in house, as opposed to using my own personal resources, considering my home machine is a melted blob right now). The time to strike is right now! Thanks -- Mark ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri May 17 16:06:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA27409 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27403; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0uKYaq-0003x4C; Fri, 17 May 96 16:05 PDT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA03061; Fri, 17 May 1996 23:05:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: salyzyn@inet.dpt.com cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 May 1996 14:52:47 MST." <199605172152.OAA16143@orodruin.orthanc.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 23:05:34 +0000 Message-ID: <3059.832374334@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm forwarding this on Mark's behalf. If you would like to see FreeBSD > support for DPT's SCSI controllers, please let him know. Hi Mark, You can quote me on this one for your management. Why would DPT want a FreeBSD driver ? Well, I can think of two things, market and publicity. Market: Probably bigger than you might think. I have personally in the last 13 weeks (the age of my on-line mailarchive) told 14 different people "No, sorry, as nice as the DPTs look, we don't support them, sorry." and I'm generally know considered a HW wizard of any importance. Publicity: A lot of the people out there on the FreeBSD mailing lists do a lot more than FreeBSD. A lot of them have quite impressive power when it comes to hardware selection. "Hey, Danny, what do you think about FOORBAR controllers ?" "Don't know, never ran one" "Hmm what do you use then ?" "FROBOZZ. Never had a hitch" Notice, nothing bad was said about FOORBAR, but somebody else came out on top, because they had been burned in. A lot of people use the stuff on the FreeBSD lists as guidelines when they buy PCs for other uses. Often I hear people argument something along this line: "If FreeBSD can find HW problems where Windows 3.1 see none, and I select HW that work well with FreeBSD, is should have less trouble with my Windows." DPT is obviously seldom mentioned, and if it is it's the "sorry, but don't!" message you see. It would be a lot better for you to have the message be: "Works great." If you produce a driver that works well, with the price/performance and market-share DPT posess, I would expect that you will soon see the business case for writing the driver provide you with a healty return on the quite modest investment it would be. Poul-Henning Kamp, Speaking for himself, not for the FreeBSD core-team. PS: Send us an email on the core-team (core@freebsd.org) and let us find some way we can get the best out of this. We will probably be more than happy to distribute a binary version of the driver in our releases, if we can agree on the details. PPS: I personally have two DPT controllers at home, but one is living a boring life in a little used Windows machine and the other is simply lying unused on a shelf. Much to my irritation because I have a disk that would benefit from a decent controller... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri May 17 20:40:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA19449 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 20:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua ([193.125.28.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19212; Fri, 17 May 1996 20:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05421; Sat, 18 May 1996 06:36:12 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id GAA12140; Sat, 18 May 1996 06:36:12 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199605180336.GAA12140@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? To: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 06:35:51 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: salyzyn@inet.dpt.com, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <3059.832374334@critter.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at May 17, 96 11:05:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello people, probably my opinion isn't of real sugnificance for you, but (you may wonder!) I'm an interested party, 'cause, for example, I'd certainly convince my management to purchase some DPT controllers -- but if and _only_ if they would be supported by FreeBSD. I'll explain why. Paul is saying "why would FreeBSD want a DPT SCSI". I think that "why DPT would want to support FreeBSD" is a more sugnificant issue for DPT :-) I certainly agree with Paul's analysis, will only add a bit. # Market: # # Probably bigger than you might think. And even more bigger considering the fact that BSDi raised their prices (I asked recently -- some $6000 or so!) This means that FreeBSD will probably occupy a larger market share, being used for Usenet news and network file services, WWW servers, so on. (Suppose you need some 5-6 unices for an ISP site. 1-2 will be commercial OSes, and others, less critical ones? What for?) FreeBSD as an OS is very solid and stable today, it isn't of worse quality than BSDi. Conclusions: FreeBSD _is_ used for heavy-duty applications, and will be used even more. The only minor problem is a narrow range of high-end hardware which is supported. Real life example. Some person here wants to get a single but powerful and rock solid UNIX box, to be used as a small enterprise' level combined server. It should have a huge pack of SCSI disks attached. While there isn't a problem to get a nice CPU, motherboard and drives, the choice of SCSI host adapters isn't wide. NCRs are great for small installations, but they occasionally die after some 60-70 days of uptime (what do you want from a single-chip low-end card?). BusTeks are rare here and aren't famous too. What remains as the only choice? True, Adaptec 3940W, though DPT should be much better and people knows about them. Those who want a cheap desktop unix are going Linux. Those who want a production system, fast and reliable, go FreeBSD and they won't purchase SCO -- they'll get a high-end hardware for FreeBSD instead. # I have personally in the last 13 # weeks (the age of my on-line mailarchive) told 14 different people "No, # sorry, as nice as the DPTs look, we don't support them, sorry." and # I'm generally know considered a HW wizard of any importance. I had some three or five conversations on the same topic during last two month ("Oh, how great FreeBSD is. Will it work on GDT or DPT RAIDed PCI SCSI HBA?" -- "No, sorry" -- "What a pity... Ok, we'll purchase two Adaptecs instead for our office network server.") And remember that's not USA, but Eastern European country. # "Hey, Danny, what do you think about FOORBAR controllers ?" # "Don't know, never ran one" Or even: "Probably it's great, but who cares -- we can't use it just now when we need some solution. Not supported in _our_ software environment, point." Nice and powerful FOORBAR controllers are slowly, one by one, sold to occasional netware bigots. # "Hmm what do you use then ?" # "FROBOZZ. Never had a hitch" [...] # A lot of people use the stuff on the FreeBSD lists as guidelines when # they buy PCs for other uses. And FreeBSD is popular not in the home desktop applications, should I notice, but for servers, and by organisations, not individuals. It's a serious system. # Often I hear people argument something # along this line: "If FreeBSD can find HW problems where Windows 3.1 # see none, and I select HW that work well with FreeBSD, is should have # less trouble with my Windows." That's true btw -- FreeBSD install floppy _is_ used as a hardware testsuite by some of my friends, really. P.S. And I'd be happy to put some two or three high-end SCSI controllers into PCI server boxes at work (ISP). -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri May 17 21:01:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA21230 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 17 May 1996 21:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21216 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 21:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id VAA19023 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 21:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA00561; Fri, 17 May 1996 21:51:57 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 21:51:57 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199605180351.VAA00561@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: salyzyn@inet.dpt.com Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? In-Reply-To: <199605172152.OAA16143@orodruin.orthanc.com> References: <199605172152.OAA16143@orodruin.orthanc.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Lyndon Nerenberg writes: > I'm forwarding this on Mark's behalf. If you would like to see FreeBSD > support for DPT's SCSI controllers, please let him know. I'd certainly be interested. I've heard good things about DPT controllers, and although I don't own I know some folks who do. Having another SCSI card supported by FreeBSD would be a great boon, especially one that appears to perform so well. Nate From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat May 18 04:52:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA26034 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 18 May 1996 04:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA26007 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 04:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id NAA24186; Sat, 18 May 1996 13:52:20 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA13383; Sat, 18 May 1996 13:52:20 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA09820; Sat, 18 May 1996 10:09:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605180809.KAA09820@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: start/stop unit To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 10:09:16 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: robsch@robkaos.ruhr.de Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199605171249.IAA11989@hda> from Peter Dufault at "May 17, 96 08:49:24 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Peter Dufault wrote: > You need at least a "-c" in there to tell it that this is a command, > i.e., > > > scsi -f /dev/rsd0.ctl -c "1b 0 0 0 0 0" > > You also need to be prepared to discover bugs in the SCSI system - > this may work, this may not. The least you need to add (from my observation) is something like ``-s 20'' to increase the command timeout. The default 2 seconds is too small. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat May 18 06:37:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA01492 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 18 May 1996 06:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.neosoft.com (mailbox.neosoft.com [206.109.1.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA01485 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 06:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uuneo.neosoft.com (root@uuneo.neosoft.com [206.109.1.3]) by mailbox.neosoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05672 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 08:37:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from taronga@localhost) by uuneo.neosoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.4) with UUCP id IAA23533 for scsi@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 May 1996 08:07:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA09575; Sat, 18 May 1996 07:53:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 07:53:51 -0500 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199605181253.HAA09575@bonkers.taronga.com> To: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Who wants a DPT SCSI controller driver? Newsgroups: taronga.freebsd.scsi In-Reply-To: <3059.832374334@critter.tfs.com> References: <199605172152.OAA16143@orodruin.orthanc.com> Organization: none Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >A lot of people use the stuff on the FreeBSD lists as guidelines when >they buy PCs for other uses. There's a couple of fine web pages out there where you can gen up a quote for a damn solid PC for FreeBSD, and I use them to come up with a first cut for a PC for *anything*. When I recommend hardware components, I will normaly just spec the same ones rgrimes did in the systems he built for us for our Internet link. The DPT driver problem has been a real problem for some time, by the way. I ran into it several years back when we got a DPT controller for a System V box and had to run it in MFM-emulation-mode because there was no driver, I couldn't hook a tape drive to it at all, and we quickly sent it back and got a WD7000 (I think... the box has long since been recycled to lower purposes (running Widows for Workgroups) and there's a WD7000 card upstairs in the morgue) which did have a driver. From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat May 18 06:49:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA01808 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 18 May 1996 06:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [193.100.176.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA01801 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 06:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from robkaos.UUCP (admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id PAA21321; Sat, 18 May 1996 15:14:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by robkaos.ruhr.de (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.1) id ; Sat, 18 May 96 15:14 MET DST Message-Id: From: robsch@robkaos.ruhr.de (Robert Schien) Subject: Re: start/stop unit To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 15:14:04 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605180809.KAA09820@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at May 18, 96 10:09:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As Peter Dufault wrote: > > > You need at least a "-c" in there to tell it that this is a command, > > i.e., > > > > > scsi -f /dev/rsd0.ctl -c "1b 0 0 0 0 0" > > > > You also need to be prepared to discover bugs in the SCSI system - > > this may work, this may not. > > The least you need to add (from my observation) is something like ``-s > 20'' to increase the command timeout. The default 2 seconds is too > small. > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > The "-c" flag was important. Together with "-s 20" it works fine. Robert From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat May 18 07:08:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA02328 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 18 May 1996 07:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-161.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02251; Sat, 18 May 1996 07:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA11553; Fri, 17 May 1996 01:58:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199605162358.BAA11553@vector.jhs.no_domain> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.jhs.no_domain: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Smith cc: scsi@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Tandberg contacts anyone From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (later) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH version 1.6.5 95 12 11, PGP available In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 May 1996 23:15:50 +0930." <199605161345.XAA04792@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:58:01 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: Michael Smith > > Just had my trusty Tandberg TDC3660 die on me in the middle of a run with > a HARDWARE FAILURE, asc:55,0, field replaceable unit: 6. > > Anyone with contacts at Tandberg or references that might be able to give > me some idea where to look? A strip and rebuild doesn't show any obvious > signs of death, and as I said it was running along fine, and just stopped. > A friend's 60M drive `died' too 2 weeks ago, i connected it to my machine, & it was OK again no idea why, ask him ! his email is n1epo4tl@ibmmail.com he knows name of an ftp server he got new eprom images from, that'll be a start for you. He also has a TDC 3620/3640/3660 Ref Manual part no 411359 Publ no 5671 June 1988 Rev No 2 (I have too, but talk to him plse., as you've got mutual interests there). PS off the manual: Tandberg Data A/S Data Storage Division PO Box 9, Korvsoll N-0808 Oslo 8, Norway Tel +47.2.189090 Fax +47.2.189550 Telex 74606 tdata n Nope No Web quoted. PS previous old mail from you archived here: Tandberg are tdata.no, and my contact there was wimo@tdata.no. Dunno if thats right tho'. > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ > ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ > Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/