From owner-ctm-announce Sun Mar 9 14:58:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18736 for ctm-announce-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18731 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:58:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from bofh.cybercity.dk (bofh.cybercity.dk [195.8.128.254]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA07463 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (phk.cybercity.dk [195.8.133.247]) by bofh.cybercity.dk (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01477; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:59:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id XAA05446; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:58:56 +0100 (MET) To: Tony Kimball cc: ctm-announce@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does CTM have a future? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 09 Mar 1997 14:23:03 CST." <199703092023.OAA24892@pobox.com> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 23:58:55 +0100 Message-ID: <5444.857948335@critter.dk.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-announce@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199703092023.OAA24892@pobox.com>, Tony Kimball writes: > >C'mon, be honest: If CTM has no future, please announce the fact. >I'm pretty suspicious, after its recent history. CTM has a future if people want it to. I'm pretty helpless against failing hardware 9 hours timedifference from here... If Rich wants to take over CTM entirely, he's most welcome. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-ctm-announce Sun Mar 9 21:13:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05932 for ctm-announce-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 21:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05927 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 21:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (cod.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24566; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:13:36 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@shrimp.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5444.857948335@critter.dk.tfs.com> References: Your message of "Sun, 09 Mar 1997 14:23:03 CST." <199703092023.OAA24892@pobox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:05:35 -0600 To: Tony Kimball From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: Does CTM have a future? Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , ctm-announce@freebsd.org Sender: owner-announce@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199703092023.OAA24892@pobox.com>, Tony Kimball writes: >C'mon, be honest: If CTM has no future, please announce the fact. >I'm pretty suspicious, after its recent history. I don't see where you get that arrogant attitude. Just because one machine fails and it takes us a couple days to replace it is certainly not any reason to claim the death of CTM. By your reasoning, I should say the same of CVSup. cvsup.freebsd.org has been down longer than ctm was out. If more people would realize that, for the regular users, CTM is more efficient in the use of project resources because it is "push" technology rather than "pull" technology, it might be easier to get additional resources committed so that we have a redundant distribution system. "Push" technologies scale in a way that the "pull" technologies can never match. When you use a "pull" technology, each customer must have a custom distribution produced. The "push" technologies have the advantage that the "product" is produced only once and then distributed. CTM also has the advantage that it is never necessary to have a direct link between the server and the client. The "store-and-forward" nature of this technology allows clients to be "connected" by VERY slow connections, including "sneaker net" (write a file on a floppy and run it down the hall or across town). The same cannot be said of sup.