From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 02:47:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA20533 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 02:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20527; Sun, 11 May 1997 02:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous229.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.229]) by bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24864; Sun, 11 May 1997 11:47:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA00514; Sun, 11 May 1997 11:03:19 +0200 (MET DST) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! References: <17690.863319073@orion.webspan.net> <19970511081553.IW22308@uriah.heep.sax.de> From: Wolfram Schneider Date: 11 May 1997 11:03:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: j@uriah.heep.sax.de's message of Sun, 11 May 1997 08:15:53 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 16 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) writes: > > smart bozos have realised they can get the list of addresses from > > majordomo ... instant spam list, guarenteed to have a large percentage > > of working e-mail addresses *sigh* > > Jonathan, i think this feature from majordomo should be disabled. It > serves no good purpose anyway. We can restrict the `who' command to only users on the lists. 'private_who', "If set to yes, then the requestor must be on mailing the list in order to use the who command.", -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.apfel.de/~wosch/ From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 02:48:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA20562 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 02:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20545 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 02:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous229.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.229]) by bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24861; Sun, 11 May 1997 11:47:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA00535; Sun, 11 May 1997 11:19:55 +0200 (MET DST) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Peter Dufault , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses References: <21177.863300383@time.cdrom.com> From: Wolfram Schneider Date: 11 May 1997 11:19:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of Sat, 10 May 1997 14:39:43 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 15 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > Yes, but you just did what Joerg complained about: cc'd me even > > though you know I'm on the list. > > See how easy it is to do? We need auto-pruning. :-) I don't have a problem with long cc lines. My E-Mail reader show me duplicated mail only once ;-) auto-pruning confuse mail filter programs (e.g. procmail) and users which use different E-Mail addresses for private mail and mailing lists. -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.apfel.de/~wosch/ From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 03:20:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA21691 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 03:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA21683 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 03:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA16061 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 11 May 1997 12:20:38 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00507; Sun, 11 May 1997 12:10:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970511121026.NB55638@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 12:10:26 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! References: <17690.863319073@orion.webspan.net> <19970511081553.IW22308@uriah.heep.sax.de> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: ; from Wolfram Schneider on May 11, 1997 11:03:13 +0200 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > Jonathan, i think this feature from majordomo should be disabled. It > > serves no good purpose anyway. > > We can restrict the `who' command to only users on the lists. Not useful. They would simply subscribe then for a day, fetch the subscribers, and unsubscribe again. I don't see why anybody other than spammers should have a major interest in knowing who's subscribed to which lists. (I think `hub' users could examine the lists anyway, but they are not supposed to be spammers. Maybe even they would require special group read privs.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 03:27:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA22149 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 03:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA22134; Sun, 11 May 1997 03:27:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199705111027.DAA22134@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 03:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19970511081553.IW22308@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at May 11, 97 08:15:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > > As Gary Palmer wrote: > > > ..., some > > smart bozos have realised they can get the list of addresses from > > majordomo ... instant spam list, guarenteed to have a large percentage > > of working e-mail addresses *sigh* > > Jonathan, i think this feature from majordomo should be disabled. It > serves no good purpose anyway. changed it last night. i am not subscribed to either translators or aic7xxx here is what i get >>>> who translators **** List 'translators' is a private list. **** Only members of the list can do a 'who'. **** You aren't a member of list 'translators'. >>>> who aic7xxx **** List 'aic7xxx' is a private list. **** Only members of the list can do a 'who'. **** You aren't a member of list 'aic7xxx'. jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 04:00:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA23659 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 04:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA23649; Sun, 11 May 1997 04:00:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199705111100.EAA23649@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 04:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19970511121026.NB55638@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at May 11, 97 12:10:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > > As Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > > > Jonathan, i think this feature from majordomo should be disabled. It > > > serves no good purpose anyway. > > > > We can restrict the `who' command to only users on the lists. > > Not useful. They would simply subscribe then for a day, fetch the > subscribers, and unsubscribe again. > this is exactly the problem withe restricting mail to only those that have subscribed. ;( jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 04:03:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA23742 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 04:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA23727; Sun, 11 May 1997 04:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA10385; Sun, 11 May 1997 13:56:27 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 13:56:27 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! In-Reply-To: <199705111027.DAA22134@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 May 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > J Wunsch wrote: > > > > As Gary Palmer wrote: > > > > > ..., some > > > smart bozos have realised they can get the list of addresses from > > > majordomo ... instant spam list, guarenteed to have a large percentage > > > of working e-mail addresses *sigh* > > > > Jonathan, i think this feature from majordomo should be disabled. It > > serves no good purpose anyway. > > changed it last night. > > i am not subscribed to either translators or aic7xxx > here is what i get > > >>>> who translators > **** List 'translators' is a private list. > **** Only members of the list can do a 'who'. > **** You aren't a member of list 'translators'. > >>>> who aic7xxx > **** List 'aic7xxx' is a private list. > **** Only members of the list can do a 'who'. > **** You aren't a member of list 'aic7xxx'. After what they will subscribe themselves to one of the lists and try again, that is, the message provides the needed clue to get the list. It would be better if Majordomo was patched to send back only something like: >>>> who translators **** Permission denied: **** You do not have the permission to get the list of persons **** subscribed to translators. > > jmb > From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 04:21:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA24244 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 04:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA24236; Sun, 11 May 1997 04:21:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199705111121.EAA24236@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee (Narvi) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 04:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Narvi" at May 11, 97 01:56:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Narvi wrote: > > > After what they will subscribe themselves to one of the lists and try > again, that is, the message provides the needed clue to get the list. It > would be better if Majordomo was patched to send back only something like: > > >>>> who translators > **** Permission denied: > **** You do not have the permission to get the list of persons > **** subscribed to translators. done. uses on hub can still see who is in the lists by reading the list files directly >>>> who freebsd-alpha **** Permission denied: **** You do not have the permission to get **** the list of addresses subscribed to 'freebsd-alpha'. jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 04:35:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA24598 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 04:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from X2296 (ppp6470.on.sympatico.ca [206.172.208.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA24583 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 04:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by X2296 (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00208; Sun, 11 May 1997 07:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 07:34:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Joerg Wunsch cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! In-Reply-To: <19970511121026.NB55638@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2 X-Mailer: Pine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 May 1997, J Wunsch wrote: > I don't see why anybody other than spammers should have a major > interest in knowing who's subscribed to which lists. (I think `hub' It can be useful if you are trying to hunt-down someone's changed email address... I don't know if that is justification, but... -- tIM...HOEk Whoever told you I had a .signature was lying. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 04:47:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA25233 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 04:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25228 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 04:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous215.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.215]) by bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28313; Sun, 11 May 1997 13:47:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA00985; Sun, 11 May 1997 12:53:53 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 12:53:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199705111053.MAA00985@campa.panke.de> From: Wolfram Schneider To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! In-Reply-To: <19970511121026.NB55638@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <17690.863319073@orion.webspan.net> <19970511081553.IW22308@uriah.heep.sax.de> <19970511121026.NB55638@uriah.heep.sax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J. Wunsch writes: >> We can restrict the `who' command to only users on the lists. > >Not useful. They would simply subscribe then for a day, fetch the >subscribers, and unsubscribe again. I don't think a spammer will read one day freebsd-hackers list - to much work ;-) Wolfram From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 05:22:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA26652 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 05:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA26639; Sun, 11 May 1997 05:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199705111222.FAA26639@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! To: wosch@apfel.de (Wolfram Schneider) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 05:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199705111053.MAA00985@campa.panke.de> from "Wolfram Schneider" at May 11, 97 12:53:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > J. Wunsch writes: > >> We can restrict the `who' command to only users on the lists. > > > >Not useful. They would simply subscribe then for a day, fetch the > >subscribers, and unsubscribe again. > > I don't think a spammer will read one day freebsd-hackers list - to > much work ;-) right, they will baounce the mail back at us ;( jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 06:37:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA28805 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 06:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA28799; Sun, 11 May 1997 06:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from castle (root@ip199.konnections.com [192.41.71.199]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id HAA09753; Sun, 11 May 1997 07:35:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <33772965.1318AF93@konnections.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 07:29:57 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" CC: Narvi , joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! References: <199705111121.EAA24236@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This takes us back to the age-old dilemma of living in a free society. Someone will use the freedom in a way that hurts others. We end up fixing it by denying freedoms to the very people who need and use them. I don't know the utility of granting blanket permission to anyone to easily get access tp list members. But, I think the solution provided is adequate. Think about the Spammers. Their looking for high volume ``soft'' targets. They know how to ask majordomo for the users and do that, perhaps by broadcasting the command to many lists at once, then they use what comes back. If they get a goofy error, it's probably not worth their while to go back and subscribe to get the list and then unsubscribe. This is probably an adequate solution. The other thought is -- one can usually tell what's junk, spam and garbage and filter it out. If I don't recognise the user or make sense out of the subj, I either kill it or save it for later. I don't like this shtuff more than anyone else, and I don't request user lists. But some do. We need to ensure that the people who have a valid use can access it. No matter what you do, someone who wants to spend the time, effort and money will crack it. That's a basic rule of security and it's true. -Mike Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > Narvi wrote: > > > > > > After what they will subscribe themselves to one of the lists and try > > again, that is, the message provides the needed clue to get the list. It > > would be better if Majordomo was patched to send back only something like: > > > > >>>> who translators > > **** Permission denied: > > **** You do not have the permission to get the list of persons > > **** subscribed to translators. > > done. > > uses on hub can still see who is in the lists > by reading the list files directly > > >>>> who freebsd-alpha > **** Permission denied: > **** You do not have the permission to get > **** the list of addresses subscribed to 'freebsd-alpha'. > > jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 09:24:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03171 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 09:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (bsdchat@shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03165; Sun, 11 May 1997 09:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bsdchat@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) id TAA03395; Sun, 11 May 1997 19:25:02 +0300 (EET DST) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199705111625.TAA03395@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! In-Reply-To: <17690.863319073@orion.webspan.net> from Gary Palmer at "May 10, 97 10:51:13 pm" To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:25:01 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I very, very rarely get spammed by email. Do you post to the usenet; > > I've never posted to usenet in my life, and I'm getting these spams too. > Do you use IRC? Also, since you are subscribed to these lists, some well... that irc thing has been proved to be somewhat urban legend... at least on my case. i regulary idle on efnet from _two_ different accounts, all the time, "never" off. to the other one, it being *.fi account, i never get spammed (so far), to my other irccing account, it being *.net, i get spammed _very_ rarely, mostly probably coz of the usenet posting i do from that same account. but into which account do i get most spams? it's the account my web browsers announces as my _official_ account, that being another account in the same machine (this one), from which i post to usenet and irc. i dont know if that is related or not. but clearly idling on irc or posting to usenet doesnt cause much spamming. i could study that by adding yet another "pseudo" account for the web browser. i might get about 1 spam per day to the other account, and about 10! to the other. none to these accounts i've created for freebsd lists (decluding the few cases when list has been spammed, no separate spams detected) i could imagine the channel into which one idles and the usenet group to which one posts are somewhat relevant, the usenet group less coz of the dejanews. though #unix should be enough obvious/public irc channel to idle into that one would drag at least some spam coz of it. apparently that's not the case. and while i'm posting, is there obvious IP blocks i could drop from which the spams are originated? (havent gotten time to study my huge logs yet) mickey From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 16:17:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17635 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17629 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 16:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970116) with ESMTP id TAA28691; Sun, 11 May 1997 19:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPN/970116) with ESMTP id TAA09256; Sun, 11 May 1997 19:16:06 -0400 (EDT) To: mika ruohotie cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 11 May 1997 19:25:01 +0300." <199705111625.TAA03395@shadows.aeon.net> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:16:06 -0400 Message-ID: <9253.863392566@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk mika ruohotie wrote in message ID <199705111625.TAA03395@shadows.aeon.net>: > i could imagine the channel into which one idles and the usenet group to > which one posts are somewhat relevant, the usenet group less coz of the > dejanews. > though #unix should be enough obvious/public irc channel to idle into that > one would drag at least some spam coz of it. apparently that's not the case. Try idling in some of the #sex channels and see what happens ... I bet that you'd start getting spammed. No promises though :-) > and while i'm posting, is there obvious IP blocks i could drop from which > the spams are originated? (havent gotten time to study my huge logs yet) See http://spam.abuse.net/spam for netblocks to block, or if you have a cisco (or other eBGP capable machine) you can get the (now) famous eBGP black hole feed. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 20:03:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24736 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24728 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16981; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705120303.UAA16981@austin.polstra.com> To: Stephen McKay cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Users of CVSup2.FreeBSD.ORG please read! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 May 1997 22:17:48 +1000." <199705101217.WAA02672@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au> References: <199705090546.WAA25223@austin.polstra.com> <199705090718.RAA08152@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au> <199705091609.JAA29058@austin.polstra.com> <199705101217.WAA02672@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:03:17 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ok, a quick point and giggle doesn't always work over the Internet. > I apologise if I have offended any FreeBSD supporter, whether or > not they are the owner of CVSup2. And I apologize to you for coming back so hard at you. I was certainly touchier than I should have been. > This doesn't change my main message though. Buying non-parity > memory is still a dumb idea, and worse if it is for a server. It's true. I have no argument with that. But remember, around the time the original Triton chipset came out, it was practically impossible to get a motherboard that supported parity without paying a tremendous surcharge. It wasn't an easy decision to make at that time. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 21:33:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28134 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 21:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com (main.statsci.com [206.63.206.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA28125 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 21:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plum.statsci.com [206.63.206.43] with smtp by main.statsci.com with smtp (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0wQmnl-000ZMeC; Sun, 11 May 97 21:33 PDT Received: from plum.statsci.com [206.63.206.43] with smtp by plum.statsci.com with smtp (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0wQmnl-0007SEC; Sun, 11 May 97 21:33 PDT Message-Id: To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! References: <17690.863319073@orion.webspan.net> <19970511081553.IW22308@uriah.heep.sax.de> <19970511121026.NB55638@uriah.heep.sax.de> In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 11 May 1997 12:10:26 +0200." <19970511121026.NB55638@uriah.heep.sax.de> Reply-to: scott@statsci.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <23942.863411612.1@plum.statsci.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:33:33 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) wrote: > I don't see why anybody other than spammers should have a major > interest in knowing who's subscribed to which lists. I've wanted to do it before to check which groups various incarnations of my username have been subscribed to or maybe to collect several local subscribers to a list into a single local exploder, so I would do things like: which Blachowicz which statsci to find out. Is that part of what we're talking about restricting here? If so, maybe it could have some limits put on it somehow (max number of matches returned, min number of characters to match against). Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 11 22:50:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00968 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00958 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id HAA29101 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 12 May 1997 07:50:45 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA04176; Mon, 12 May 1997 07:30:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970512073010.OF60501@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 07:30:10 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! References: <17690.863319073@orion.webspan.net> <19970511081553.IW22308@uriah.heep.sax.de> <19970511121026.NB55638@uriah.heep.sax.de> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: ; from Scott Blachowicz on May 11, 1997 21:33:33 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Scott Blachowicz wrote: > ..., so I would do things like: > > which Blachowicz > which statsci > > to find out. Is that part of what we're talking about restricting here? Normally not, this can't be abused by a spammer (unless it supports the regexp .* :-). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 01:42:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA06794 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 01:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA06789 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 01:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23027 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:39:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from cadair.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 12 May 1997 09:43:37 +0100 Received: from tees.elsevier.co.uk (tees.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.60]) by cadair.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25417 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:43:34 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dpr@localhost) by tees.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08726; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:43:34 +0100 (BST) To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses References: <21177.863300383@time.cdrom.com> From: Paul Richards Date: 12 May 1997 09:43:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: Wolfram Schneider's message of 11 May 1997 11:19:51 +0200 Message-ID: <57g1vt2i8a.fsf@tees.elsevier.co.uk> Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.30 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Wolfram Schneider writes: > "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > > Yes, but you just did what Joerg complained about: cc'd me even > > > though you know I'm on the list. > > > > See how easy it is to do? We need auto-pruning. :-) I think auto-pruning of addresses that are in the mailing list is a good idea. It takes longer to get a reply if it has to go through the list but if the discussion is in the list then it makes more sense to not have a fast track conversation take place. If you need that fastrack take it off the list. I'm not so sure about the multiple list thing. It's not clear cut that only one list is always appropriate and you have to rely on user judgmement to not spam lots of lists. Particularly for the more specific groups there are times when two lists would be appropriate. Even for hackers and current they are disparate lists, I'm only on -current, some are only on hackers, there are occasionally discussions that should involve both sets of users. I agree this is a rare situation but I'm uncertain about disabling the ability to send to multiple lists. > I don't have a problem with long cc lines. My E-Mail reader show me > duplicated mail only once ;-) Mine does too but I politely remove the Cc lines since I know other's don't. -- Dr Paul Richards. [p.richards@elsevier.co.uk] Originative Solutions Ltd. [paul@originat.demon.co.uk] Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 (0)1865 843155 (Elsevier) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 03:06:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA09301 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 03:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA09293 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 03:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (local [127.0.0.1]) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17830; Mon, 12 May 1997 20:06:28 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199705121006.UAA17830@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> To: Amancio Hasty Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: g++ shared library segfaults In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 May 1997 13:04:44 MST." <199705102004.NAA11689@rah.star-gate.com> X-Face: (W@z~5kg?"+5?!2kHP)+l369.~a@oTl^8l87|/s8"EH?Uk~P#N+Ec~Z&@;'LL!;3?y Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:06:27 +1000 From: David Nugent Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > That job is about 3 man-years worth of work. > > > > Cool. If he can get 365 volunteers (and one leap-volunteer 8-)) > > then he can be done in 3 days. > > Actually, 9 pregnant women can not deliver one baby in a month. I guess that throws out the theory that two men can't make the same woman twice as pregnant? Damn! > "Mythical Man Month" by Fred Brooks first published in 1975. Worth reading, btw. Quite a few good chuckles included. > Reducing complex problems is not the same as throwing bodies at > a project. That can get kind of messy, if taken in the literal sense. :-) Regards, David From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 04:30:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA13747 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 04:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13740 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 04:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA07879 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 12 May 1997 21:30:32 +1000 Received: from troll.devetir.qld.gov.au by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.7.5/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id UAA11240 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 20:31:38 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (syssgm@localhost) by troll.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13412; Mon, 12 May 1997 20:31:34 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199705121031.UAA13412@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Authentication-Warning: troll.devetir.qld.gov.au: syssgm@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG cc: syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: why 'toor'? References: <199705091650.UAA02496@sinbin.demos.su> In-Reply-To: <199705091650.UAA02496@sinbin.demos.su> from Alex G. Bulushev at "Fri, 09 May 1997 20:50:39 +0400" Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:31:34 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Friday, 9th May 1997, Alex G. Bulushev wrote in -hackers: >> I suppose the real reason for "toor" is to appease the csh haters. It's >> been like that since 386BSD as far as I can recall. I don't think it >> was like this in the 4.2 BSD days, but I now have no way to check. >> >> Stephen. > >in 2.9 BSD days and 4.2 BSD days there was no sharing libs >and root with /bin/sh used in single user mode when /usr not mounted >toor used for alternative shell ... if, for example, /bin/sh demaged ... Well, I dug though my Very Old Stuff collection and surprised myself by finding what I think is the default password file for BSD 4.2, dated August 15, 1983. Seems like I was half right in my recollections. Who are all these people? I recognise only about 1/3 of them. You will note that only Dennis and Ken remain "pure"; the rest are dreaded csh weenies. What will I find when I run this through crack? Would it be a sin? :-) Stephen. root::0:10:Charlie &:/:/bin/csh daemon:*:1:31:The devil himself:/: uucp::66:10:UNIX-to-UNIX Copy:/usr/spool/uucppublic:/usr/lib/uucp/uucico sam:Yd6H6R7ejeIP2:7:10:& Leffler,461E,7780:/usr/guest/sam:/bin/csh wnj:ZDjXDBwXle2gc:8:10:Bill Joy,457E,7780:/usr/guest/wnj:/bin/csh mckusick:6l7zMyp8dZLZU:9:10:Kirk &,513E,4611:/usr/guest/mckusick:/bin/csh dmr:AiInt5qKdjmHs:10:31:Dennis Ritchie:/usr/guest/dmr: ken:sq5UDrPlKj1nA:11:31:& Thompson:/usr/guest/ken: shannon:NYqgD2jjeuozk:12:31:Bill &:/usr/guest/shannon:/bin/csh peter:y5G5mbEX4HhOY:13:31:peter b. kessler,513E,4611:/usr/guest/peter:/bin/csh kre:vpyVBWM3ARc0.:14:31:Robert Elz,Melbourne:/usr/guest/kre:/bin/csh baden:BJ80IFBHJdlJk:15:31:Scott &,508-2E,5422:/usr/guest/baden:/bin/csh ingres:64c19dZOElp9I:267:74:& Group:/usr/ingres:/bin/csh ralph:s.EZm/wQTqbro:16:31:& Campbell,461E,8337:/usr/guest/ralph:/bin/csh helge:rD5q6RWZ8xQc6:17:31:& Skrivervik,466E,8905:/usr/guest/helge:/bin/csh nicklin:CzhlIDfNoBnuU:18:31:Peter &,466E,7780:/usr/guest/nicklin:/bin/csh linton:1/WWIjn5Sd8qM:19:31:Mark &,467E,9587:/usr/guest/linton:/bin/csh sklower:p0taJy06Qye1g:20:31:Keith &,524E,4972,8416222:/usr/guest/sklower:/bin/csh mosher:ZfAmZgrfewouE:21:31:David &,463E,7780:/usr/guest/mosher:/bin/csh eric:PcEfNNJN.UHpM:22:31:& Allman:/usr/guest/eric:/usr/new/csh rrh:lj1vXnxTAPnDc:23:31:Robert R. Henry,516E,4611:/usr/guest/rrh:/bin/csh arnold:5vTJh54EqjZsU:25:31:Kenneth C R C &,,7520:/usr/guest/arnold:/bin/csh jkf:G6cip/I8C792U:26:31:John Foderaro,524E,4972:/usr/guest/jkf:/bin/csh corbett:Zye.YBra9ij7A:27:31:Bob &, 466 Evans, 7780:/usr/guest/corbett:/bin/csh csvaf:syOgA1UNfatO6:28:31:Alastair Fyfe,235E,5820:/usr/guest/csvaf:/bin/csh gray:TkihWC6koRNgI:29:31:Bob &:/usr/guest/gray:/bin/csh falcon:.MTZpW8TC8tqs:32766:31:Prof. Steven &:/usr/games:/usr/games/wargames EOF From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 04:35:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA14047 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 04:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA14042 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 04:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papillon.lemis.com by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0wQtDM-000QeSC; Mon, 12 May 97 13:24 MET DST Received: (grog@localhost) by papillon.lemis.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id PAA00332; Mon, 12 May 1997 15:47:00 +0800 (CST) From: grog@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <199705120747.PAA00332@papillon.lemis.com> Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses In-Reply-To: <21177.863300383@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "May 10, 97 02:39:43 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:46:58 +0800 (CST) Cc: dufault@hda.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-to: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/~grog X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: >> Yes, but you just did what Joerg complained about: cc'd me even >> though you know I'm on the list. > > See how easy it is to do? We need auto-pruning. :-) Sure, here I'm doing a group reply, and I automatically copy you and Peter twice. How else should I do it? If I just send it to -chat, it's not immediately apparent to whom I'm replying, especially if I don't have a " writes" line at the beginning. This is really a mail delivery problem: since each message has an ID, it should be possible to avoid delivering a message ID more than once per site. Yes, I know that sendmail doesn't do things like that, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't. The alternative, which is probably easier to handle, is to have the mail reader recognize duplicates and optionally eliminate them. Comments? Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 04:49:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA14735 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 04:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA14730 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 04:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA03446; Mon, 12 May 1997 04:48:34 -0700 (PDT) To: Paul Richards cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses In-reply-to: Your message of "12 May 1997 09:43:32 BST." <57g1vt2i8a.fsf@tees.elsevier.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 04:48:34 -0700 Message-ID: <3442.863437714@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Even for hackers and current they are disparate lists, I'm only on > -current, some are only on hackers, there are occasionally discussions > that should involve both sets of users. I agree this is a rare > situation but I'm uncertain about disabling the ability to send to > multiple lists. I've seen it so much more often abused than used sensibly that I *am* certain - kill it! kill it! death to cross-posting! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 05:27:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA18392 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 05:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA18386; Mon, 12 May 1997 05:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199705121227.FAA18386@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! To: scott@statsci.com Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 05:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Scott Blachowicz" at May 11, 97 09:33:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Scott Blachowicz wrote: > > j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) wrote: > > > I don't see why anybody other than spammers should have a major > > interest in knowing who's subscribed to which lists. > > I've wanted to do it before to check which groups various incarnations of my > username have been subscribed to or maybe to collect several local subscribers > to a list into a single local exploder, so I would do things like: > > which Blachowicz > which statsci i have not disable the "which" command. only the "who" command. "which" tells which lists an address is subscribed to "who" provided a list of all addresses subscribed to the list jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 12:39:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00559 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 12:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00554 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 12:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.0.31] with ESMTP id XAA17712; Mon, 12 May 1997 23:37:16 +0400 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id XAA21381; (8.6.12/D) Mon, 12 May 1997 23:36:46 +0400 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199705121936.XAA21381@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: why 'toor'? In-Reply-To: <199705121031.UAA13412@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au> from Stephen McKay at "May 12, 97 08:31:34 pm" To: syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au (Stephen McKay) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:36:46 +0400 (MSD) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >in 2.9 BSD days and 4.2 BSD days there was no sharing libs > >and root with /bin/sh used in single user mode when /usr not mounted > >toor used for alternative shell ... if, for example, /bin/sh demaged ... > > Well, I dug though my Very Old Stuff collection and surprised myself by > finding what I think is the default password file for BSD 4.2, dated > August 15, 1983. Seems like I was half right in my recollections. > > Who are all these people? I recognise only about 1/3 of them. > > You will note that only Dennis and Ken remain "pure"; the rest are dreaded > csh weenies. What will I find when I run this through crack? Would it be > a sin? :-) > > Stephen. > > > root::0:10:Charlie &:/:/bin/csh > daemon:*:1:31:The devil himself:/: > uucp::66:10:UNIX-to-UNIX Copy:/usr/spool/uucppublic:/usr/lib/uucp/uucico unfortunatly LSI-11 runing 2.9 BSD is down for 1.5 year :) and i have distributive only on the tape ... but i found 4.3 BSD distributive dated 1985/86 rw------- 87/0 2064 Aug 5 22:58 1985 43/SYS/dist/passwd rw------- 87/0 142 Apr 25 23:38 1986 43/SYS/dist/group rw------- 87/0 79 Jun 7 23:32 1986 43/SYS/dist/motd this is motd: 4.3 BSD UNIX #1: Fri Jun 6 19:55:29 PDT 1986 Would you like to play a game? this is group: wheel:*:0:root daemon:*:1:daemon kmem:*:2:root sys:*:3:root tty:*:4:root operator:*:5:root staff:*:10:root guest:*:31:root ingres:*:74:ingres and this is passwd: root::0:10:Charlie &:/:/bin/csh toor::0:10:Bourne-again Superuser:/: daemon:*:1:31:The devil himself:/: operator::2:28:System &:/usr/guest/operator:/bin/csh uucp::66:1:UNIX-to-UNIX Copy:/usr/spool/uucppublic:/usr/lib/uucp/uucico nobody:*:32767:9999:Unprivileged user:/nonexistent:/dev/null notes:*:5:31:Notesfile maintainer:/usr/spool/notes:/bin/csh karels:QOrZFUGpxDUlo:6:10:Mike &:/usr/guest/karels:/bin/csh sam:Yd6H6R7ejeIP2:7:10:& Leffler:/usr/guest/sam:/bin/csh wnj:ZDjXDBwXle2gc:8:10:Bill Joy:/usr/guest/wnj:/bin/csh mckusick:6l7zMyp8dZLZU:201:10:Kirk &:/usr/guest/mckusick:/bin/csh dmr:AiInt5qKdjmHs:10:31:Dennis Ritchie:/usr/guest/dmr: ken:sq5UDrPlKj1nA:11:31:& Thompson:/usr/guest/ken: shannon:NYqgD2jjeuozk:12:31:Bill &:/usr/guest/shannon:/bin/csh peter:y5G5mbEX4HhOY:13:31:peter b. kessler:/usr/guest/peter:/bin/csh kre:vpyVBWM3ARc0.:14:31:Robert Elz:/usr/guest/kre:/bin/csh ingres:64c19dZOElp9I:267:74:& Group:/usr/ingres:/bin/csh ralph:s.EZm/wQTqbro:16:31:& Campbell:/usr/guest/ralph:/bin/csh linton:1/WWIjn5Sd8qM:19:31:Mark &:/usr/guest/linton:/bin/csh sklower:p0taJy06Qye1g:20:31:Keith &:/usr/guest/sklower:/bin/csh eric:PcEfNNJN.UHpM:22:31:& Allman:/usr/guest/eric:/usr/new/csh rrh:lj1vXnxTAPnDc:23:31:Robert R. Henry:/usr/guest/rrh:/bin/csh arnold:5vTJh54EqjZsU:25:31:Kenneth C R C &:/usr/guest/arnold:/bin/csh jkf:G6cip/I8C792U:26:31:John Foderaro:/usr/guest/jkf:/bin/csh ghg:FA/4weg1/wy2c:32:31:George Goble:/usr/guest/ghg:/bin/csh bloom:n0QtVD80F82MM:33:10:Jim &:/usr/guest/bloom:/bin/csh miriam:hnZ1ZK5H2qapE:36:10:& Amos:/usr/guest/miriam:/bin/csh kjd:ogYPQZGnihezk:37:10:Kevin Dunlap:/usr/guest/kjd:/bin/csh rwh:LReNSwE9gQF7w:38:10:Robert W. Henry:/usr/guest/rwh:/bin/csh tef:OciUqGHcs9YOw:39:31:Thomas Ferrin:/usr/guest/tef:/bin/csh van:STpwu/Ggmk78A:40:31:& Jacobson:/usr/guest/van:/bin/csh rich:uxxJaRZvgyiPg:41:31:& Hyde:/usr/guest/rich:/bin/csh jim:.6s.pzMqjyMrU:42:10:& McKie:/usr/guest/jim:/bin/csh donn:5cJ5uHclmVJKA:43:31:& Seeley:/usr/guest/donn:/bin/csh falcon:.MTZpW8TC8tqs:32766:31:Prof. Steven &:/usr/games:/usr/games/wargames From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 13:31:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03233 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 13:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com (main.statsci.com [206.63.206.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA03228 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 13:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apple.statsci.com [206.63.206.4] with smtp by main.statsci.com with smtp (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0wR1ki-000ZMaC; Mon, 12 May 97 13:31 PDT Received: from apple.statsci.com [206.63.206.4] with smtp by apple.statsci.com with smtp (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0wR1kh-0006uQC; Mon, 12 May 97 13:31 PDT Message-Id: X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses References: <3442.863437714@time.cdrom.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 May 1997 04:48:34 -0700." <3442.863437714@time.cdrom.com> Reply-to: scott@statsci.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:31:21 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > I've seen it so much more often abused than used sensibly that I *am* > certain - kill it! kill it! death to cross-posting! :-) [mind you...I agree with you, but...] Does that mean we should kill this message? To: announce@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: current.freebsd.org now "open for business." Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 04:40:41 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" :-))) Or is the prohibition more like '"announce" groups don't count towards the limit of one group to post to'? Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 15:06:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08647 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 15:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08631 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 15:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15567 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 14:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA05569; Mon, 12 May 1997 14:57:42 -0700 (PDT) To: scott@statsci.com cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 May 1997 13:31:21 PDT." Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:57:42 -0700 Message-ID: <5565.863474262@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > [mind you...I agree with you, but...] > > Does that mean we should kill this message? Naw, just prune out current. If I knew this restriction existed, I'd simply have posted that particular message separately (and that's probably a good thing since otherwise people end up cc'ing announce and filling the approval queue full of junk for our postmaster to wade through). Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 16:09:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11781 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 16:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from croute.com (archive.croute.com [199.97.106.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11771 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 16:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bldg1.croute.com (bldg1.croute.com [199.97.106.99]) by croute.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA20175 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 18:01:28 -0500 Received: from COMPUROUTE/SpoolDir by bldg1.croute.com (Mercury 1.31); 12 May 97 18:15:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from SpoolDir by COMPUROUTE (Mercury 1.31); 12 May 97 18:15:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Larry Dolinar" Organization: CompuRoute, Inc. To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:14:57 -0600 CDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: apologies for any flying error messages X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Larry Dolinar" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <20D229F0F16@bldg1.croute.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [grovel mode on] I fouled up a macro on sendmail when I switched our relay over from SunOS to FreeBSD, and the poor thing didn't know it represented our domain. Apologies for any flood of messages; majordomo bounced me off all lists as expected. [grovel mode off] From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 18:37:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19274 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 18:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19269 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 18:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA12138; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:06:31 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199705130136.LAA12138@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 2.2 Splashkit In-Reply-To: <199705121843.LAA07981@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "May 12, 97 11:43:37 am" To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:06:31 +0930 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > What about making the splash page come back up as the "screen saver" > kicks in? That way, if it's idle, it goes back to the splash and > looks nice (again) for the droids after a logout. 8-). Suggested before. Yes, it "can be done". Someone with an accounting degree out there want to help me pass Introductory Accounting A so I can work on this? 8) 8) 8) > -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 18:55:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20154 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 18:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20141 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 18:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA12271; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:25:29 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199705130155.LAA12271@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: DES policy In-Reply-To: <199705122251.PAA27081@kithrup.com> from Sean Eric Fagan at "May 12, 97 03:51:44 pm" To: sef@Kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:25:29 +0930 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sean Eric Fagan stands accused of saying: > > Working against them, the Forces of Evil include the President (that's Bill > Clinton) who (probably on behalf of the NSA) is pushing to have all > non-key-escrow forms of encryption made illegal. This is BAD. Meanwhile outside the US, interested spectators are torn between laughter and tears. I understand the two masks of drama a little better for this. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 19:09:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21050 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 19:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21037 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 19:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA12403; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:38:11 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199705130208.LAA12403@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: project: editor In-Reply-To: <199705121828.LAA07930@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "May 12, 97 11:28:35 am" To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:38:10 +0930 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > This is the "I don't like Tcl" reflex. It's like the gag reflex; once > > you recognise it, it's easy to deal with. > > Heh. By gagging? Well, we can make a few personal assumptions about you on _that_ one 8) > Terry Lambert -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 21:30:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28678 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 21:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gadget.nla.gov.au (gadget.nla.gov.au [203.4.201.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28668 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 21:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cmakin@localhost) by gadget.nla.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA06371 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:30:19 +1000 (AEST) X-Authentication-Warning: gadget.nla.gov.au: cmakin owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:30:18 +1000 (AEST) From: Carl Makin To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DES policy In-Reply-To: <199705130155.LAA12271@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 May 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > Sean Eric Fagan stands accused of saying: > > Clinton) who (probably on behalf of the NSA) is pushing to have all > > non-key-escrow forms of encryption made illegal. This is BAD. > Meanwhile outside the US, interested spectators are torn between laughter > and tears. I understand the two masks of drama a little better for this. Except for the Australian Intelligence Community which is working hard to get the same rules passed here. :( Carl. -- Carl Makin 'Work +61 6 262 1576' "Speaking for myself only!" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 21:35:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28998 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 21:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28992 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 21:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsampley.vip.best.com (bsampley.vip.best.com [206.184.160.196]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id VAA16125 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 21:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Burton Sampley To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: MicroTimes & FBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings, For those FBSD users in the SF Bay Area, pick up a copy of the April 28, 1997 copy of MicoTimes. On page 75, in the box labeled "Linux/BSD Systems" near the top on the left side of the page, a company is offering a new system with FreeBSD as an option for the OS. I'm really glad to see that FBSD is being offered by a commercial company and I look forward to seeing more adds like this. A now back to our regularly scheduled chatting.... Burton --- Brought to you by a 100% Micro$oft free system. You too can disinfect your system at http://www.freebsd.org E-Mail: burton@bsampley.vip.best.com Alternate E-Mail: bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu Home Page: http://www.best.com/~bsampley (permanently under construction) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 12 22:39:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA01625 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 22:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01618 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 22:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA14468; Tue, 13 May 1997 15:09:36 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199705130539.PAA14468@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: DES policy In-Reply-To: from Carl Makin at "May 13, 97 02:30:18 pm" To: cmakin@nla.gov.au (Carl Makin) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:09:35 +0930 (CST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Carl Makin stands accused of saying: > > > > Clinton) who (probably on behalf of the NSA) is pushing to have all > > > non-key-escrow forms of encryption made illegal. This is BAD. > > > Meanwhile outside the US, interested spectators are torn between laughter > > and tears. I understand the two masks of drama a little better for this. > > Except for the Australian Intelligence Community which is working hard to > get the same rules passed here. :( ARGH! What can be done against this? And if you mention the EFA I think I will run far far away. > Carl Makin 'Work +61 6 262 1576' -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 13 14:36:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16474 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16458; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199705132136.OAA16458@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses To: p.richards@elsevier.co.uk (Paul Richards) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <57g1vt2i8a.fsf@tees.elsevier.co.uk> from "Paul Richards" at May 12, 97 09:43:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Paul Richards wrote: > > Wolfram Schneider writes: > > > "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > > > Yes, but you just did what Joerg complained about: cc'd me even > > > > though you know I'm on the list. > > > > > > See how easy it is to do? We need auto-pruning. :-) > > I think auto-pruning of addresses that are in the mailing list is a > good idea. It takes longer to get a reply if it has to go through the > list but if the discussion is in the list then it makes more sense to > not have a fast track conversation take place. If you need that > fastrack take it off the list. sorry being late with this reply, i have been out of town and nearly off the net. majorodmo cannot do the auto-pruning, by the time the messag gets to majordomo, it has already been sent to all recipients sendmail therefore must do the pruning. as far as i know, sendmail is not able to do this. so we would have to introduce another program/script whose job it would be to auto-prune the addresses. even so, it would fail to handle .forward files (on other hosts) and perhaps remote /etc/aliases as well (depending upon the mail transfer agent at the far end and its configuration) in short, lotta work, little gain as far as i can see ;( jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 13 16:27:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23940 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from matrix.42.org (sec@matrix.42.org [192.68.213.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23932 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sec@localhost) by matrix.42.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA12224; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:27:38 +0200 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Path: sec From: sec@42.org (Stefan `Sec` Zehl) Newsgroups: muc.lists.freebsd.chat Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! Date: 14 May 1997 01:27:37 +0200 Organization: Internet@home Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <19970511081553.IW22308@uriah.heep.sax.de> X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.3.0-2 BETA UNIX) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <19970511081553.IW22308@uriah.heep.sax.de>, J Wunsch wrote: > > ..., some smart bozos have realised they can get the list of addresses from > > majordomo ... instant spam list, guarenteed to have a large percentage of > > working e-mail addresses *sigh* > > Jonathan, i think this feature from majordomo should be disabled. It > serves no good purpose anyway. I'd say, disable it for people which are not subscribed on the list, that way you can exclude all the spammers while retaining usability ? - Just a thought :) CU, Sec -- Fuer die Raupe ist es das Ende der Welt, Fuer den Rest der Welt ist es ein Schmetterling Error 0: No error From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 13 17:38:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28543 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28535; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:38:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199705140038.RAA28535@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! To: sec@42.org (Stefan `Sec` Zehl) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Stefan `Sec` Zehl" at May 14, 97 01:27:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stefan `Sec` Zehl wrote: > > In article <19970511081553.IW22308@uriah.heep.sax.de>, J Wunsch wrote: > > > ..., some smart bozos have realised they can get the list of addresses from > > > majordomo ... instant spam list, guarenteed to have a large percentage of > > > working e-mail addresses *sigh* > > > > Jonathan, i think this feature from majordomo should be disabled. It > > serves no good purpose anyway. > > I'd say, disable it for people which are not subscribed on the list, > that way you can exclude all the spammers while retaining usability ? > - Just a thought :) subscribe get list (unsubscribe or just bounce mail) and we are screwed again. i have disabled the who command jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 13 19:08:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA05393 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diazepam.gnu.ai.mit.edu (joelh@diazepam.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA05351; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by diazepam.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id WAA26714; Tue, 13 May 1997 22:07:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 22:07:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199705140207.WAA26714@diazepam.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG CC: p.richards@elsevier.co.uk, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199705132136.OAA16458@hub.freebsd.org> (jmb@FreeBSD.ORG) Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > majorodmo cannot do the auto-pruning, by the time the messag > gets to majordomo, it has already been sent to all recipients > sendmail therefore must do the pruning. as far as i know, > sendmail is not able to do this. sendmail here will properly prune mailing lists if they are expanded in /etc/aliases (or its include file). But I thought that chat@freebsd.org was a majordomo robot which exploded the message and sent it out, in which case it could look at the To: and Cc: headers anyway. If sendmail's expanding the aliases, then it can prune. I'll send you our sendmail.cf if it'll help. > even so, it would fail to handle .forward files (on other hosts) > and perhaps remote /etc/aliases as well (depending upon the > mail transfer agent at the far end and its configuration) Yes...ish... Used to, I would actually send and receive mail at gnu.ai.mit.edu!detlev!joelh, detlev being my home box that would dial up to an ISP and then UUCP in the mail. But my From: and Reply-To: lines would still mark joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu, which would be .forwarded to me. Also, I would subscribe to mailing lists as joelh@gnu. The bottom line there, is that anybody sending me mail would send it to the same address, so pruning could occour. I would think that a fair number of people who forward their mail use the subscription address in From:, so it would DTRT for them as well. And the vast majority, I would think, get their mail straight to their end boxes, no .forward, no /etc/aliases. Happy hacking, joelh -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 13 20:41:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA12032 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 20:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12027 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 20:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA26406; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:36:42 +1000 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:36:42 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199705140336.NAA26406@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, dufault@hda.com Subject: Re: gnu/3554 Cc: chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I guess I've found conversion and redundant-decls more trouble >than they're worth and added missing-declarations. I think -missing-declarations is a no-op when combined with -Wmissing-prototypes. Bruce From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 14 04:02:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA11238 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 04:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA11224 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 04:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA07959 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:02:01 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA14346; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:29:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970514122912.AW53095@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:29:12 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why 'toor'? References: <199705091650.UAA02496@sinbin.demos.su> <199705121031.UAA13412@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199705121031.UAA13412@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au>; from Stephen McKay on May 12, 1997 20:31:34 +1000 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Stephen McKay wrote: > Who are all these people? I recognise only about 1/3 of them. Hey, that's funny. :) > helge:rD5q6RWZ8xQc6:17:31:& Skrivervik,466E,8905:/usr/guest/helge:/bin/csh That's the guy who wrote the CP/M floppy driver (userland). You can find it in ports/emulators/cpmtools/ these days. ;-) He's back in Norway today, and i've even been able to catch him by snailmail, and get his permission for a more up-to-date redistribution notice for that port... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 14 04:58:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA24409 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 04:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA24395 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 04:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA15504; Wed, 14 May 1997 04:58:58 -0700 (PDT) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why 'toor'? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 May 1997 12:29:12 +0200." <19970514122912.AW53095@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 04:58:58 -0700 Message-ID: <15500.863611138@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Stephen McKay wrote: > > > Who are all these people? I recognise only about 1/3 of them. > > Hey, that's funny. :) Even funnier is the fact that I worked with about half those people and I didn't get to UCB until 1985! ;-) People at UCB tend to hang around for a long time, I guess. My old boss is still there, in fact, and he'd already been there for 10 years when I arrived. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 14 13:38:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03161 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03146; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:38:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199705142038.NAA03146@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses To: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, p.richards@elsevier.co.uk, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199705140207.WAA26714@diazepam.gnu.ai.mit.edu> from "Joel Ray Holveck" at May 13, 97 10:07:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > > > > majorodmo cannot do the auto-pruning, by the time the messag > > gets to majordomo, it has already been sent to all recipients > > sendmail therefore must do the pruning. as far as i know, > > sendmail is not able to do this. > > sendmail here will properly prune mailing lists if they are expanded > in /etc/aliases (or its include file). But I thought that but the aliases are not fully expanded by sendmail. majorodmo does the full expansion for each list individually. by then sendmail has sent the message to each person listed and to each majordomo list. its now too late to prune. > chat@freebsd.org was a majordomo robot which exploded the message and > sent it out, in which case it could look at the To: and Cc: headers > anyway. > > If sendmail's expanding the aliases, then it can prune. I'll send you > our sendmail.cf if it'll help. > > > even so, it would fail to handle .forward files (on other hosts) > > and perhaps remote /etc/aliases as well (depending upon the > > mail transfer agent at the far end and its configuration) > > Yes...ish... > > Used to, I would actually send and receive mail at > gnu.ai.mit.edu!detlev!joelh, detlev being my home box that would dial > up to an ISP and then UUCP in the mail. But my From: and Reply-To: > lines would still mark joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu, which would be .forwarded > to me. Also, I would subscribe to mailing lists as joelh@gnu. The > bottom line there, is that anybody sending me mail would send it to > the same address, so pruning could occour. I would think that a fair i dont understand how pruning could happen :( if i send mail to both joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu and hackers@freebsd.org, a list to which joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu is subscribed, sendmail sends one copy of hte message directly to joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu and another to hackers@freebsd.org. hackers@freebsd.org then sends a copy to all subscribers including hackers@freebsd.org. how can pruning work in such a situation? jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 14 14:40:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06355 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06342; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01501; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id RAA21343; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:26:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:26:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199705142126.RAA21343@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG CC: p.richards@elsevier.co.uk, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199705142038.NAA03146@hub.freebsd.org> (jmb@FreeBSD.ORG) Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> sendmail here will properly prune mailing lists if they are expanded >> in /etc/aliases (or its include file). But I thought that > but the aliases are not fully expanded by sendmail. > majorodmo does the full expansion for each list individually. > by then sendmail has sent the message to each person listed > and to each majordomo list. its now too late to prune. Now let's look at the next section, in which I cover this eventuallity. >> chat@freebsd.org was a majordomo robot which exploded the message and >> sent it out, in which case it could look at the To: and Cc: headers >> anyway. > i dont understand how pruning could happen :( if i send > mail to both joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu and hackers@freebsd.org, > a list to which joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu is subscribed, sendmail > sends one copy of hte message directly to joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu > and another to hackers@freebsd.org. hackers@freebsd.org > then sends a copy to all subscribers including hackers@freebsd.org. > how can pruning work in such a situation? We reprogram majordomo to recognize that the message had "To: joelh@gnu" in the header and not send it to me when it expands hackers. Sure, sendmail has already sent a message to me, but we keep majordomo from sending it instead of trying to keep sendmail from sending it. Remind me, why does majordomo expand the aliases itself instead of letting sendmail do it with a :include: that majordomo can maintain? Hapy hacking, joelh -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 14 14:42:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06480 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06472; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (root@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01615; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id RAA21343; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:26:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:26:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199705142126.RAA21343@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG CC: p.richards@elsevier.co.uk, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199705142038.NAA03146@hub.freebsd.org> (jmb@FreeBSD.ORG) Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> sendmail here will properly prune mailing lists if they are expanded >> in /etc/aliases (or its include file). But I thought that > but the aliases are not fully expanded by sendmail. > majorodmo does the full expansion for each list individually. > by then sendmail has sent the message to each person listed > and to each majordomo list. its now too late to prune. Now let's look at the next section, in which I cover this eventuallity. >> chat@freebsd.org was a majordomo robot which exploded the message and >> sent it out, in which case it could look at the To: and Cc: headers >> anyway. > i dont understand how pruning could happen :( if i send > mail to both joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu and hackers@freebsd.org, > a list to which joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu is subscribed, sendmail > sends one copy of hte message directly to joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu > and another to hackers@freebsd.org. hackers@freebsd.org > then sends a copy to all subscribers including hackers@freebsd.org. > how can pruning work in such a situation? We reprogram majordomo to recognize that the message had "To: joelh@gnu" in the header and not send it to me when it expands hackers. Sure, sendmail has already sent a message to me, but we keep majordomo from sending it instead of trying to keep sendmail from sending it. Remind me, why does majordomo expand the aliases itself instead of letting sendmail do it with a :include: that majordomo can maintain? Hapy hacking, joelh -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 14 16:30:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13550 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13540; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous216.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.216]) by bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA15805; Thu, 15 May 1997 01:28:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id BAA00567; Thu, 15 May 1997 01:17:33 +0200 (MET DST) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu, p.richards@elsevier.co.uk, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses References: <199705142038.NAA03146@hub.freebsd.org> From: Wolfram Schneider Date: 15 May 1997 01:17:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Jonathan M. Bresler"'s message of Wed, 14 May 1997 13:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Lines: 14 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Jonathan M. Bresler" writes: > i dont understand how pruning could happen :( if i send > mail to both joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu and hackers@freebsd.org, > a list to which joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu is subscribed, sendmail > sends one copy of hte message directly to joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu > and another to hackers@freebsd.org. hackers@freebsd.org > then sends a copy to all subscribers including hackers@freebsd.org. > how can pruning work in such a situation? With an object-oriented database, which create a subscribers list on the fly for every mail ;-) -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.apfel.de/~wosch/ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 14 18:17:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19608 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 18:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19601; Wed, 14 May 1997 18:17:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199705150117.SAA19601@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses To: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, p.richards@elsevier.co.uk, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199705142126.RAA21343@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> from "Joel Ray Holveck" at May 14, 97 05:26:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > > > We reprogram majordomo to recognize that the message had > "To: joelh@gnu" in the header and not send it to me when it expands > hackers. Sure, sendmail has already sent a message to me, but we keep > majordomo from sending it instead of trying to keep sendmail from > sending it. can you send me a context diff for these changes? > > Remind me, why does majordomo expand the aliases itself instead of > letting sendmail do it with a :include: that majordomo can maintain? because we use bulk_mailer to speed the delivery process. bulk_mailer does the final handoff to sendmail. jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 15 07:04:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA19637 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 07:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA19628 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 07:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id QAA27442; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:03:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:03:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199705151403.QAA27442@bitbox.follo.net> From: Eivind Eklund To: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Joel Ray Holveck's message of Wed, 14 May 1997 17:26:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses References: <199705142038.NAA03146@hub.freebsd.org> <199705142126.RAA21343@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We reprogram majordomo to recognize that the message had > "To: joelh@gnu" in the header and not send it to me when it expands > hackers. Sure, sendmail has already sent a message to me, but we keep > majordomo from sending it instead of trying to keep sendmail from > sending it. NOOOOO! You're ruining my filter! The _only_ reliable way to filter the FreeBSD lists is on the Sender: line; I've seen things sent to the lists by Bcc: several times. Personally, I like to get a copy of the direct replies to my mails - couldn't we just have majordomo rewrite the Cc: line to only contain the mailing list if the mailing list was there, and reproduce the original Cc: as X-Cc: ? This will break anybody asking to be 'kept Cc:'ed', but nothing else, as far as I can tell. Eivind. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 15 08:48:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA24797 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 08:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24792 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 08:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18390 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:45:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from cadair.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 15 May 1997 16:49:45 +0100 Received: from tees.elsevier.co.uk (tees.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.60]) by cadair.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02423; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:49:36 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dpr@localhost) by tees.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01071; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:49:35 +0100 (BST) To: Eivind Eklund Cc: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses References: <199705142038.NAA03146@hub.freebsd.org> <199705142126.RAA21343@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> <199705151403.QAA27442@bitbox.follo.net> From: Paul Richards Date: 15 May 1997 16:49:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: Eivind Eklund's message of Thu, 15 May 1997 16:03:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <57vi4krb01.fsf@tees.elsevier.co.uk> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.30 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eivind Eklund writes: > Personally, I like to get a copy of the direct replies to my mails - > couldn't we just have majordomo rewrite the Cc: line to only contain > the mailing list if the mailing list was there, and reproduce the > original Cc: as X-Cc: ? Can't do that because people not on the list will get lost from the thread. People not normally on the list sometimes send mail to it about specific things. -- Dr Paul Richards. [p.richards@elsevier.co.uk] Originative Solutions Ltd. [paul@originat.demon.co.uk] Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 (0)1865 843155 (Elsevier) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 15 09:39:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28122 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (joelh@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28115 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id MAA26073; Thu, 15 May 1997 12:39:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:39:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199705151639.MAA26073@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: perhaps@yes.no CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199705151403.QAA27442@bitbox.follo.net> (message from Eivind Eklund on Thu, 15 May 1997 16:03:24 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> We reprogram majordomo to recognize that the message had >> "To: joelh@gnu" in the header and not send it to me when it expands >> hackers. Sure, sendmail has already sent a message to me, but we keep >> majordomo from sending it instead of trying to keep sendmail from >> sending it. >NOOOOO! You're ruining my filter! The _only_ reliable way to filter >the FreeBSD lists is on the Sender: line; I've seen things sent to the >lists by Bcc: several times. Hmmm... You mean, the copy sent to you by sendmail isn't filterable, because it doesn't have a Sender: line? Why on earth would anybody send something to the list by bcc? That would mean that replies wouldn't hit the list! >Personally, I like to get a copy of the direct replies to my mails - >couldn't we just have majordomo rewrite the Cc: line to only contain >the mailing list if the mailing list was there, and reproduce the >original Cc: as X-Cc: ? >This will break anybody asking to be 'kept Cc:'ed', but nothing else, >as far as I can tell. But getting multiple copies of messages is the behaviour we're trying to stop! This whole exercise is futile without it. Besides, the idea of having a small group of participants Cc:'ed to each other is a good one; on busy days, I can have an entire discussion with groups quickly, even though our discussion might not hit the list until next week. Thoughts, everybody? Is this proposal going to break anybody else? Happy hacking, joelh -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 15 09:54:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29318 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29311 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id SAA27773; Thu, 15 May 1997 18:52:31 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:52:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199705151652.SAA27773@bitbox.follo.net> From: Eivind Eklund To: Terry Lambert CC: handy@sag.space.lockheed.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Terry Lambert's message of Wed, 14 May 1997 11:12:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: if_de.c ???? References: <19970514093945.42174@right.PCS> <199705141812.LAA12992@phaeton.artisoft.com> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (moved to chat) > > > > >"Everybody! Out of the gene pool!". > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Isn't this actually a zippy the pinhead quote? > > If it is, then it's unintentional; I didn't intend to Plagarize Zippy; > the quotation marks were to distinguish it as a spoken command. > > Brian should probaly investigate Zippy before he attributes it to me... "YOW!! Everybody out of the GENETIC POOL!" Original Zippy quote. M-x apropos-zippy is sometimes convenient :-) Eivind. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 15 10:14:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01078 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from matrix.42.org (sec@matrix.42.org [192.68.213.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01069 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sec@localhost) by matrix.42.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA11575; Thu, 15 May 1997 19:14:14 +0200 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Path: sec From: sec@42.org (Stefan `Sec` Zehl) Newsgroups: muc.lists.freebsd.chat Subject: Re: why 'toor'? Date: 15 May 1997 19:14:13 +0200 Organization: Internet@home Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <199705091650.UAA02496@sinbin.demos.su> <199705121031.UAA13412@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.3.0-2 BETA UNIX) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199705121031.UAA13412@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au>, Stephen McKay wrote: > You will note that only Dennis and Ken remain "pure"; the rest are dreaded > csh weenies. What will I find when I run this through crack? Would it be > a sin? :-) Hmm i couldn't resist (and since my box was idle anyway) i tried it :) May 15 13:52:14 Guessed gray (/bin/csh in OLD_PWFILE) [will] TkihWC6koRNgI May 15 14:00:31 Guessed shannon (/bin/csh in OLD_PWFILE) [hacker] NYqgD2jjeuozk May 15 14:07:49 Guessed nicklin (/bin/csh in OLD_PWFILE) [Juliet] CzhlIDfNoBnuU May 15 14:15:43 Guessed mckusick (/bin/csh in OLD_PWFILE) [foobar] 6l7zMyp8dZLZU May 15 14:39:53 Guessed falcon (/usr/games/wargames in OLD_PWFILE) [joshua] .MTZpW8TC8tqs hmm, I should have known 'joshua' in advace ... silly /me :) As we see, they didn't care much about password security back then :) I wonder if 'Juliet' was the girl friend of nicklin ? CU, Sec P.S.: ah that was fun :) -- Fuer die Raupe ist es das Ende der Welt, Fuer den Rest der Welt ist es ein Schmetterling Error 0: No error From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 15 11:29:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05986 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (joelh@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05981 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id OAA26482; Thu, 15 May 1997 14:29:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:29:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199705151829.OAA26482@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: perhaps@yes.no CC: terry@lambert.org, handy@sag.space.lockheed.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199705151652.SAA27773@bitbox.follo.net> (message from Eivind Eklund on Thu, 15 May 1997 18:52:31 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: if_de.c ???? From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>>"Everybody! Out of the gene pool!". >>> Isn't this actually a zippy the pinhead quote? >> If it is, then it's unintentional; I didn't intend to Plagarize Zippy; >> the quotation marks were to distinguish it as a spoken command. >> Brian should probaly investigate Zippy before he attributes it to me... >"YOW!! Everybody out of the GENETIC POOL!" >Original Zippy quote. The quote has also been seen on numerous bumper stickers, etc. I wouldn't be suprised if Zippy got the idea elsewhere, to be honest. Happy hacking, joelh -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 15 11:29:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06029 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (root@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06023 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id OAA26482; Thu, 15 May 1997 14:29:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:29:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199705151829.OAA26482@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: perhaps@yes.no CC: terry@lambert.org, handy@sag.space.lockheed.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199705151652.SAA27773@bitbox.follo.net> (message from Eivind Eklund on Thu, 15 May 1997 18:52:31 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: if_de.c ???? From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>>"Everybody! Out of the gene pool!". >>> Isn't this actually a zippy the pinhead quote? >> If it is, then it's unintentional; I didn't intend to Plagarize Zippy; >> the quotation marks were to distinguish it as a spoken command. >> Brian should probaly investigate Zippy before he attributes it to me... >"YOW!! Everybody out of the GENETIC POOL!" >Original Zippy quote. The quote has also been seen on numerous bumper stickers, etc. I wouldn't be suprised if Zippy got the idea elsewhere, to be honest. Happy hacking, joelh -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 15 11:42:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06733 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06724 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co (unalmodem11.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.41]) by apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00362; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:45:22 -0500 (COT) Message-ID: <337B73B5.700D@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:36:05 -0700 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bthomas@okeechobee.cube.com CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, toneil@visigenic.com Subject: Re: Announcing the New Elite Hackers School References: <3.0.32.19970514144650.00a3d990@visigenic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (This was redirected from our "beginning-hackers" list) bthomas: Don't listen to this guy, we have the real hardcore material you need to have lot's of fun, and it's all free! http://www.disney.com YOU can join the Mickey Mouse Club today! Don't forget to tell your friends also,... we'll take care of your parents! (What a nice name and address, I guess you also use IE?) > bthomas wrote: > >send allhelp to bthomas@okeechobee.cube.com > > You were right in writing this list for help in this area, > Mr. Thomas. This list is PRESCISELY what you need. Unfortunately, > due to the overwelming demands of wanna be hackers all over > the world we must insist on a charge for the tutorial. Sorry. > But for a low, LOW $20 (US) you can get the 12 Manuals, the > Video Series, the teaching aids (includes a Fully Blown VAX > computer running VMS or Tops/20 (your choice)) and the secret > club card, all for this increadble low price. Send in your > order now! > From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 15 11:58:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07618 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07613 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA26017; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:57:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Joel Ray Holveck cc: perhaps@yes.no, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses In-Reply-To: <199705151639.MAA26073@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I really like getting a reply from a message I post sent to me as well as to the list. The replies sent to me arrive much more quickly and are sorted differently, into a mailbox that has only "personal" messages and, of course, spam. I don't even mind the spam--I think it's unfortunate that the "list" command has been disabled and suggests that the bad guys are winning. Annelise From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 15 20:13:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04069 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 20:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04058 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 20:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id FAA29418; Fri, 16 May 1997 05:12:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 05:12:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199705160312.FAA29418@bitbox.follo.net> From: Eivind Eklund To: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu CC: perhaps@yes.no, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Joel Ray Holveck's message of Thu, 15 May 1997 12:39:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses References: <199705151403.QAA27442@bitbox.follo.net> <199705151639.MAA26073@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hmmm... You mean, the copy sent to you by sendmail isn't filterable, > because it doesn't have a Sender: line? Why on earth would anybody > send something to the list by bcc? That would mean that replies > wouldn't hit the list! It has happened. Besides, filtering on Sender: allow me to split on which list this copy of this message is in, for cross-postings. > >Personally, I like to get a copy of the direct replies to my mails - > >couldn't we just have majordomo rewrite the Cc: line to only contain > >the mailing list if the mailing list was there, and reproduce the > >original Cc: as X-Cc: ? > >This will break anybody asking to be 'kept Cc:'ed', but nothing else, > >as far as I can tell. > > But getting multiple copies of messages is the behaviour we're trying > to stop! This whole exercise is futile without it. Read again. It will remove everybody on the Cc: lists, thus stopping you from getting multiple mails. However, it make it much harder to follow a discussion without being on the lists. I don't say that this is The Solution - it solves what I consider a non-problem. It give some advantages and some disadvantages. Then wiser people than me can find out how much of a problem it actually is to various subscribers, and whether to implement something. I personally consider anything solvable by a 4-line .procmail filter a non-problem. (This let you remove any mail Cc:'ed to a list you are subscribed to.) > Besides, the idea > of having a small group of participants Cc:'ed to each other is a good > one; on busy days, I can have an entire discussion with groups > quickly, even though our discussion might not hit the list until next > week. I've also found this convenient, but the problem has been minimized with the split of freefall/hub - mail delivery usually take about 5 minutes now. (For me, at least.) Eivind. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 15 23:21:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA11136 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA11128 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA27948; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:21:19 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03603; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:11:18 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970516081118.KI35653@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:11:18 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org (FreeBSD chat list) Cc: imp@village.org (Warner Losh), roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Subject: Re: GNU utilities are old. References: <19970513192723.46847@keltia.freenix.fr> <3377CBF7.120C@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> <19970513073227.43390@keltia.freenix.fr> <199705131337.IAA01404@zuhause.mn.org> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: ; from Warner Losh on May 13, 1997 14:45:18 -0600 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Warner Losh wrote: > I know that I've migrated at least one bug from FreeBSD -> OpenBSD so > that patches worked there too. You're migrating bugs from FreeBSD to OpenBSD? Aren't they embarrassed about this? :-)) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 16 08:04:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA02400 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02394 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0wSOYF-0002bo-00; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:04:11 -0600 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: GNU utilities are old. Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org (FreeBSD chat list), roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 May 1997 08:11:18 +0200." <19970516081118.KI35653@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <19970516081118.KI35653@uriah.heep.sax.de> <19970513192723.46847@keltia.freenix.fr> <3377CBF7.120C@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> <19970513073227.43390@keltia.freenix.fr> <199705131337.IAA01404@zuhause.mn.org> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:04:11 -0600 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <19970516081118.KI35653@uriah.heep.sax.de> J Wunsch writes: : As Warner Losh wrote: : > I know that I've migrated at least one bug from FreeBSD -> OpenBSD so : > that patches worked there too. : : You're migrating bugs from FreeBSD to OpenBSD? Aren't they : embarrassed about this? :-)) No. I've migrated bug fixes from FreeBSD -> OpenBSD. Geeze, a guy accidentally omits one word from a sentence and gets nothing but grief. :-) Warner From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 16 11:10:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11552 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 11:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11539; Fri, 16 May 1997 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA16095; Fri, 16 May 1997 11:06:02 -0700 (PDT) To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" cc: Ben Black , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , thorpej@nas.nasa.gov, rminnich@sarnoff.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 May 1997 12:16:51 CDT." Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:06:02 -0700 Message-ID: <16091.863805962@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm Colombian, so I'll put it this way: guys in the US are incapable > of making their own good coffee... Or Cocaine. :-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 16 12:04:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13823 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fps.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA13778; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by fps.biblos.unal.edu.co (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20326; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:00:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:00:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Ben Black , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , thorpej@nas.nasa.gov, rminnich@sarnoff.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD In-Reply-To: <16091.863805962@time.cdrom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 May 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I'm Colombian, so I'll put it this way: guys in the US are incapable > > of making their own good coffee... > > Or Cocaine. :-) > That was sort of implicit, I guess :-), but I heard you were having very good results cloning marihuana... in California ! As you brought the theme, are you studying a market "expansion" Jordan? Pedro. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 16 12:45:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15682 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA15677 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA02445; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:45:14 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:45:14 -0700 From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199705161945.MAA02445@kithrup.com> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD Newsgroups: kithrup.freebsd.chat In-Reply-To: References: <16091.863805962@time.cdrom.com> Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article Pedro writes: >That was sort of implicit, I guess :-), but I heard you were having very >good results cloning marihuana... in California That's right... researchers at UCSC have successfully cloned a canabis (marajuana) plant. What's exciting about this is that they took a cell from the mammary gland of an adult canabis plant. They've named the baby plant "Dolly." From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 16 14:01:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19604 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kilgour.nething.com (kilgour.nething.com [204.253.210.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19597 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from randy.nething.com (randy.nething.com [204.253.210.83]) by kilgour.nething.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA19601; Fri, 16 May 1997 15:55:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970516160050.009a5100@nething.com> X-Sender: rberndt@nething.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:00:50 -0500 To: Sean Eric Fagan , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Randy Berndt Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD In-Reply-To: <199705161945.MAA02445@kithrup.com> References: <16091.863805962@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:45 PM 5/16/97 -0700, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: >That's right... researchers at UCSC have successfully cloned a canabis >(marajuana) plant. What's exciting about this is that they took a cell from >the mammary gland of an adult canabis plant. > >They've named the baby plant "Dolly." I thought that marijuana had a negative effect on mammary, or was it memory? I forgot. :) Randy Berndt ---------------------------------- AOS/VS, FreeBSD, DOS: I'm caught in a maze of twisty little command interpreters, all different. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 16 14:03:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19703 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19696 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from castle (root@ip198.konnections.com [192.41.71.198]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA18426; Fri, 16 May 1997 15:01:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <337E2969.34A77C69@konnections.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 14:55:53 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Eric Fagan CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: <16091.863805962@time.cdrom.com> <199705161945.MAA02445@kithrup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm glad to see we've moved cloning from insignificant, lab-oriented testing into something that can benefit all mankind... -mike Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > > In article Pedro writes: > >That was sort of implicit, I guess :-), but I heard you were having very > >good results cloning marihuana... in California > > That's right... researchers at UCSC have successfully cloned a canabis > (marajuana) plant. What's exciting about this is that they took a cell from > the mammary gland of an adult canabis plant. > > They've named the baby plant "Dolly." From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 16 15:03:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23116 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 15:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mer-decxl.itconsult.co.uk ([195.226.131.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23107 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 15:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ap174-12.itl.net (ap174-12.itl.net [194.145.12.174]) by mer-decxl.itconsult.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ya028572 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 23:04:03 +0100 From: "Roland Blampied" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 22:57:08 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <22040379700853@user.itconsult.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 16 19:51:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA03056 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 19:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (root@[146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03049; Fri, 16 May 1997 19:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.5/8.7.3) id XAA02123; Fri, 16 May 1997 23:50:47 -0300 (EST) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199705170250.XAA02123@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD To: pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co (Pedro F. Giffuni) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 23:50:47 -0300 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, black@zen.cypher.net, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, thorpej@nas.nasa.gov, rminnich@Sarnoff.COM, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Pedro F. Giffuni" at "May 16, 97 02:00:42 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Pedro F. Giffuni) // On Fri, 16 May 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: // // > > I'm Colombian, so I'll put it this way: guys in the US are incapable // > > of making their own good coffee... // > // > Or Cocaine. :-) // > // That was sort of implicit, I guess :-), but I heard you were having very // good results cloning marihuana... in California ! As you brought the Is /dev/marijuana a cloning device ? :) // theme, are you studying a market "expansion" Jordan? // // Pedro. // Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@cisi.coppe.ufrj.br Network Manager UFRJ/COPPE/CISI Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 16 19:53:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA03221 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 19:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (root@[146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03216 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 19:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.5/8.7.3) id XAA02177; Fri, 16 May 1997 23:53:16 -0300 (EST) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199705170253.XAA02177@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD To: rberndt@nething.com (Randy Berndt) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 23:53:15 -0300 (EST) Cc: sef@Kithrup.COM, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970516160050.009a5100@nething.com> from Randy Berndt at "May 16, 97 04:00:50 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Randy Berndt) // At 12:45 PM 5/16/97 -0700, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: // >That's right... researchers at UCSC have successfully cloned a canabis // >(marajuana) plant. What's exciting about this is that they took a cell from // >the mammary gland of an adult canabis plant. // > // >They've named the baby plant "Dolly." // // I thought that marijuana had a negative effect on mammary, or was it // memory? I forgot. :) Maybe you should use parity or ECC memory. Although I don't know if they're as good as real parity-less marijuana clones. :) // // Randy Berndt // ---------------------------------- // AOS/VS, FreeBSD, DOS: // I'm caught in a maze of twisty little command interpreters, all different. // Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@cisi.coppe.ufrj.br Network Manager UFRJ/COPPE/CISI Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 16 20:03:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA03623 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 20:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03617 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 20:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA20962; Fri, 16 May 1997 20:03:51 -0700 (PDT) To: mike allison cc: Sean Eric Fagan , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 May 1997 14:55:53 PDT." <337E2969.34A77C69@konnections.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 20:03:51 -0700 Message-ID: <20959.863838231@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm glad to see we've moved cloning from insignificant, lab-oriented > testing into something that can benefit all mankind... No kidding. Erm, now, how does one sign up as a product tester? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 16 20:41:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA05252 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 20:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05246; Fri, 16 May 1997 20:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from castle (root@ip198.konnections.com [192.41.71.198]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id VAA22961; Fri, 16 May 1997 21:37:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <337E8641.77365C80@konnections.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 21:32:01 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis CC: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , jkh@time.cdrom.com, black@zen.cypher.net, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, thorpej@nas.nasa.gov, rminnich@Sarnoff.COM, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: <199705170250.XAA02123@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sobre o que voces estao falando? Aren't we all Americans? -Mike Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > > #define quoting(Pedro F. Giffuni) > // On Fri, 16 May 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > // > // > > I'm Colombian, so I'll put it this way: guys in the US are incapable > // > > of making their own good coffee... > // > > // > Or Cocaine. :-) > // > > // That was sort of implicit, I guess :-), but I heard you were having very > // good results cloning marihuana... in California ! As you brought the > > Is /dev/marijuana a cloning device ? :) > > // theme, are you studying a market "expansion" Jordan? > // > // Pedro. > // > > Jonny > > -- > Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br > +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@cisi.coppe.ufrj.br > Network Manager UFRJ/COPPE/CISI > Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 16 22:40:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA09246 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 22:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09237 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 22:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co (unalmodem18.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.48]) by apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA01533; Sat, 17 May 1997 00:43:28 -0500 (COT) Message-ID: <337D6015.3C0@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 00:36:53 -0700 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike allison CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: <199705170250.XAA02123@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> <337E8641.77365C80@konnections.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk mike allison wrote: > > Sobre o que voces estao falando? > > Aren't we all Americans? > Changing the words of an American, "Some Americans are more American than others". Pedro. > -Mike > > Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > > > > #define quoting(Pedro F. Giffuni) > > // On Fri, 16 May 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > // > > // > > I'm Colombian, so I'll put it this way: guys in the US are incapable > > // > > of making their own good coffee... > > // > > > // > Or Cocaine. :-) > > // > > > // That was sort of implicit, I guess :-), but I heard you were having very > > // good results cloning marihuana... in California ! As you brought the > > > > Is /dev/marijuana a cloning device ? :) > > > > // theme, are you studying a market "expansion" Jordan? > > // > > // Pedro. > > // > > > > Jonny > > > > -- > > Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br > > +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@cisi.coppe.ufrj.br > > Network Manager UFRJ/COPPE/CISI > > Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 17 04:26:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA20799 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 04:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA20791 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 04:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from castle (root@ip195.konnections.com [192.41.71.195]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id FAA27436; Sat, 17 May 1997 05:24:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <337EF3A6.76185620@konnections.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 05:18:46 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: <199705170250.XAA02123@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> <337E8641.77365C80@konnections.com> <337D6015.3C0@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Refining the words of an American: Some Americans think that it is possible to be more American than others... -mike Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > mike allison wrote: > > > > Sobre o que voces estao falando? > > > > Aren't we all Americans? > > > Changing the words of an American, "Some Americans are more American > than others". > > Pedro. > From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 17 09:06:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29338 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 09:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29252 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 09:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co (unalmodem18.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.48]) by apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04163; Sat, 17 May 1997 11:04:23 -0500 (COT) Message-ID: <337DF19E.77C2@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 10:57:50 -0700 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike allison CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: <199705170250.XAA02123@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> <337E8641.77365C80@konnections.com> <337D6015.3C0@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> <337EF3A6.76185620@konnections.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk mike allison wrote: > > Refining the words of an American: > > Some Americans think that it is possible to be more American than > others... > > -mike > Worst of all, most Americans (and non-Americans sometimes also) thinks that this small group of Americans are right and are indeed more American. This philosophy is enforced by winning one, or another, beauty contest, sport competition, or war. (I'm not a communist, if those still exist) Pedro. > Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > > > mike allison wrote: > > > > > > Sobre o que voces estao falando? > > > > > > Aren't we all Americans? > > > > > Changing the words of an American, "Some Americans are more American > > than others". > > > > Pedro. > > From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 17 13:03:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA08637 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 13:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08630 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 13:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlanta (mfd-dial2-4.cybercom.net [209.21.137.36]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23650; Sat, 17 May 1997 15:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970517200045.0072d2e4@cybercom.net> X-Sender: ksmm@cybercom.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 16:00:45 -0400 To: "Victor A. Sudakov" From: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: Re: FreeBSD Users' Groups Cc: chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:38 AM 5/11/97 +0800, you wrote: >> Has anyone started a FreeBSD Users' Group in his/her local area? I'm >> considering starting one, and I want ideas on the best way(s) to go about >> that as well as an idea of how much time I'll need to commit. > >What would be the objectives of such a group? > (Sorry for the long delay. My ISP went AWOL for about a week.) Anyway, I think the group would encompass a range of activities, from hacking to general Unix education for PC users. But I'd primarily like to see the FreeBSD user base expanded as well as set up local support for current users. FreeBSD is the best secret in the free Unix community, and it's about time to let the cat out of the bag. K.S. From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 17 16:29:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19201 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (root@carlton.innotts.co.uk [194.176.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19196 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.176.130.13] (serialA0c.innotts.co.uk [194.176.130.13]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA15565; Sun, 18 May 1997 00:27:36 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: robmel@mailhost.innotts.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <337EF3A6.76185620@konnections.com> References: <199705170250.XAA02123@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> <337E8641.77365C80@konnections.com> <337D6015.3C0@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 00:27:52 +0100 To: mike allison , "Pedro F. Giffuni" From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 1:18 pm +0100 18/5/97, mike allison wrote: >Refining the words of an American: > >Some Americans think that it is possible to be more American than >others... shouldn't that be more un-american than others? From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 17 16:53:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA20043 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20038 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freyes.dh.i-2000.com (slip166-72-7-97.il.us.ibm.net [166.72.7.97]) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA18762 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 19:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705172353.TAA18762@federation.addy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSd Chat list" Date: Sat, 17 May 97 19:51:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ..FreeBSD 2.2.2 - "The stealth release". Will we see pkg_manage again? Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 May 1997 21:46:20 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >So called because it has been done without much fanfare or prior >announcement. There are several reasons for this: I am wondering about pkg_manage. Will we see it again? From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 17 18:34:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA24132 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 18:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24124 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 18:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA28270; Sat, 17 May 1997 18:35:06 -0700 (PDT) To: "Francisco Reyes" cc: "FreeBSd Chat list" Subject: Re: ..FreeBSD 2.2.2 - "The stealth release". Will we see pkg_manage again? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 May 1997 19:51:26 EDT." <199705172353.TAA18762@federation.addy.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 18:35:05 -0700 Message-ID: <28265.863919305@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Not unless someone else writes it. :-) Most people just use the configPackages option for /stand/sysinstall > On Fri, 16 May 1997 21:46:20 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > >So called because it has been done without much fanfare or prior > >announcement. There are several reasons for this: > > I am wondering about pkg_manage. Will we see it again? >