From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 18 03:04:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA22993 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 18 May 1997 03:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au (gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au [203.17.189.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA22988; Sun, 18 May 1997 03:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gavin@localhost) by gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au (8.8.3/8.6.9) id UAA21562; Sun, 18 May 1997 20:04:18 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Cameron Message-Id: <199705181004.UAA21562@gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au> Subject: Compiling a 2.2.2 world To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 20:04:18 +1000 (EST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm trying to upgrade from 2.2.1 to 2.2.2 by doing a make world but I don't know if I'm on the right track or not. Here's what I do 1) cvsup cvs-supfile 2) cvsup secure-cvs-supfile 3) cvs co -d RELENG_2_2_2_RELEASE I hope I've got it right so far. when I do a make world it bombs out -------------------------------------------------------------- make world started on Sun May 18 19:43:46 EST 1997 -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- Making hierarchy -------------------------------------------------------------- [ SOME STUFF DELETED ] -------------------------------------------------------------- Cleaning up the source tree -------------------------------------------------------------- [ SOME STUFF DELETED ] rm -f /scratch/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GRTAGS /scratch/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GTAGS ===> lib/../eBones/lib/libtelnet cd: can't cd to /scratch/src/lib/../eBones/lib/libtelnet *** Error code 2 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. eBones/lib/libtelnet doesn't exist after I do the initial checkout. If I do a cvs co -r RELENG_2_2_2_RELEASE eBones I still don't get the eBones/lib/libtelnet stuff Any ideas? Thanks Gavin -- []------------------------------------+-------------------------------------[] | Gavin Cameron | Ormond College | | Ph : +61 3 9344 1201 | The University of Melbourne | | Fax : +61 3 9344 1111 | Parkville, Victoria | | Email : gavin@ormond.unimelb.edu.au | Australia, 3052 | []------------------------------------+-------------------------------------[] From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 18 03:31:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA23674 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 18 May 1997 03:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grackle.grondar.za (grackle.grondar.za [196.7.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA23669; Sun, 18 May 1997 03:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grackle.grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grackle.grondar.za (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA01380; Sun, 18 May 1997 12:30:57 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199705181030.MAA01380@grackle.grondar.za> To: Gavin Cameron cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiling a 2.2.2 world Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 12:30:54 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 May 1997 20:04:18 +1000 (EST) , Gavin Cameron wrote: > rm -f /scratch/src/secure/lib/libcrypt/GRTAGS /scratch/src/secure/lib/libcryp t/GTAGS > ===> lib/../eBones/lib/libtelnet > cd: can't cd to /scratch/src/lib/../eBones/lib/libtelnet > *** Error code 2 > > Stop. > eBones/lib/libtelnet doesn't exist after I do the initial checkout. Many apologies - that was my balls-up. I messed up the tagging for the international crypto code. It should be right at the next cvsup. You can cvsup off cvsup.internat.freebsd.org to get it in a hurry. M -- Mark Murray PGP key fingerprint = 80 36 6E 40 83 D6 8A 36 This .sig is umop ap!sdn. BC 06 EA 0E 7A F2 CE CE From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 18 11:11:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05627 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 18 May 1997 11:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.182.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05614 for ; Sun, 18 May 1997 11:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id CAA11901; Mon, 19 May 1997 02:08:17 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00383; Sun, 18 May 1997 22:06:43 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199705181406.WAA00383@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Users' Groups To: ksmm@cybercom.net (The Classiest Man Alive) Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 22:06:43 +0800 (TSD) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970517200045.0072d2e4@cybercom.net> from "The Classiest Man Alive" at "May 17, 97 04:00:45 pm" Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The Classiest Man Alive wrote: > >> Has anyone started a FreeBSD Users' Group in his/her local area? I'm > >> considering starting one, and I want ideas on the best way(s) to go about > >> that as well as an idea of how much time I'll need to commit. > > > >What would be the objectives of such a group? > > Anyway, I think the group would encompass a range of activities, from > hacking to general Unix education for PC users. But I'd primarily like to > see the FreeBSD user base expanded as well as set up local support for > current users. FreeBSD is the best secret in the free Unix community, and > it's about time to let the cat out of the bag. FreeBSD is very popular here in Russia with ISPs and universities, and Tomsk is no exception. Of the several major ISPs here, I know only one who runs RedHat Linux, the rest seem to be running FreeBSD. What I am planning to do is not organizing a Users' Group because this notion is very vague but organizing a fidonet echo conference (newsgroup) in our city dedicated to unix and freebsd as a clone of unix. May be a Users' Group will grow out of such a conference. However, if you could help me in obtaining detailed documentation, perhaps, charters and objectives of such Users' Groups to look at and take as samples, I might think of discussing the launching of such a group here in Tomsk. At present, I do not quite clearly see how it might work. We unix users here are just friends and most of us know one another personally or via fidonet. -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 18 13:52:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11909 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 18 May 1997 13:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11904 for ; Sun, 18 May 1997 13:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA26635 for ; Sun, 18 May 1997 13:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA08074 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 18 May 1997 22:50:53 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00619; Sun, 18 May 1997 22:40:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970518224046.XZ22141@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 22:40:46 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why 'toor'? References: <199705091650.UAA02496@sinbin.demos.su> <199705121031.UAA13412@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: ; from Stefan `Sec` Zehl on May 15, 1997 19:14:13 +0200 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Stefan `Sec` Zehl wrote: > May 15 14:39:53 Guessed falcon (/usr/games/wargames in OLD_PWFILE) [joshua] > > hmm, I should have known 'joshua' in advace ... silly /me :) Wasn't this just a dummy account anyway? I remember 386BSD shipping with it (and with dmr and ken), and /usr/games/wargames is just the little silly script we can still find in our sources. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 19 01:54:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA10489 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 01:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from matrix.42.org (sec@matrix.42.org [192.68.213.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA10482 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 01:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sec@localhost) by matrix.42.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA06742; Mon, 19 May 1997 10:54:37 +0200 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Path: sec From: sec@42.org (Stefan `Sec` Zehl) Newsgroups: muc.lists.freebsd.chat Subject: Re: why 'toor'? Date: 19 May 1997 10:54:36 +0200 Organization: Internet@home Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <199705091650.UAA02496@sinbin.demos.su> <19970518224046.XZ22141@uriah.heep.sax.de> X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.3.0-2 BETA UNIX) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <19970518224046.XZ22141@uriah.heep.sax.de>, J Wunsch wrote: > As Stefan `Sec` Zehl wrote: > > > May 15 14:39:53 Guessed falcon (/usr/games/wargames in OLD_PWFILE) [joshua] > > > > hmm, I should have known 'joshua' in advace ... silly /me :) > > Wasn't this just a dummy account anyway? I remember 386BSD shipping > with it (and with dmr and ken), and /usr/games/wargames is just the > little silly script we can still find in our sources. But, did you look at it ? :-) - did you ever answer "../../../bin/sh" to the "Would you like to play a game?" - question ? :) CU, Sec -- Fuer die Raupe ist es das Ende der Welt, Fuer den Rest der Welt ist es ein Schmetterling Error 0: No error From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 19 09:29:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01077 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 09:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA01072 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 09:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA19165 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 19 May 1997 18:29:27 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01150; Mon, 19 May 1997 18:11:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970519181107.AP50219@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:11:07 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why 'toor'? References: <199705091650.UAA02496@sinbin.demos.su> <19970518224046.XZ22141@uriah.heep.sax.de> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: ; from Stefan `Sec` Zehl on May 19, 1997 10:54:36 +0200 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Stefan `Sec` Zehl wrote: > But, did you look at it ? :-) - did you ever answer "../../../bin/sh" > to the "Would you like to play a game?" - question ? :) Cool backdoor. :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 19 09:39:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01965 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 09:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (joelh@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA01956 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 09:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id MAA15149; Mon, 19 May 1997 12:38:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 12:38:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199705191638.MAA15149@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: sec@42.org CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Subject: Re: why 'toor'? From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> hmm, I should have known 'joshua' in advace ... silly /me :) >> Wasn't this just a dummy account anyway? I remember 386BSD shipping >> with it (and with dmr and ken), and /usr/games/wargames is just the >> little silly script we can still find in our sources. >But, did you look at it ? :-) - did you ever answer "../../../bin/sh" >to the "Would you like to play a game?" - question ? :) Perhaps in those days 'wargames' didn't exec any program, but just used a menu or something. Happy hacking, joelh -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 19 13:44:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16375 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 13:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from X2296 (ppp6563.on.sympatico.ca [206.172.208.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16368 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 13:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by X2296 (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00221; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:41:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Luigi Rizzo cc: Bruce Evans , j@uriah.heep.sax.de, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Variable initialization In-Reply-To: <199705191148.NAA04574@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2 X-Mailer: Pine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [note list change] On Mon, 19 May 1997, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > But anyways I was just trying to understand if there was something > fundamentally wrong in my preference of > > int a = 3; > > in place of > > int a ; > a = 3 ; The coding style must supplement the purpose of the code. Thus, some variables must be initialized separately from their declarations, while some must be initialized with their declarations. It all depends on wether the purpose of the variable is clarified by initializing with the declaration, or separately. Some variables just simply feel like they should be "int a=3;", some "int a = 3;", and some "int a;\n a=3;". IOW, those who say things such as YOU MAY NOT NEVER NEVER INIT AND DECLARE SIMULTANEOUSLY have simply become jaded after years of programming and have lost touch with the romantic inside of them. :) -- tIM...HOEk Whoever told you I had a .signature was lying. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 19 21:26:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09933 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 21:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09927 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 21:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from squirrel.tgsoft.com (squirrel.tgsoft.com [207.167.64.183]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA06767 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 21:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9271 invoked by uid 128); 20 May 1997 04:19:18 -0000 Date: 20 May 1997 04:19:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19970520041918.9270.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> From: mark thompson To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.com Subject: floppy flaky Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Running 2.2.1) my floppy has started giving errors in the most remarkable way. It writes and reads without errors, but the read-back data does not always match what was written. It seems to happen when moving large files onto/off of floppy. It happens to several floppies, and using both tar and mcopy. Pretty strange, that no errors are reported, huh? Floppy drive, cable, controller, software? -mark From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 19 23:51:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA18023 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 23:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18016 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 23:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA08390 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 23:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA29218; Tue, 20 May 1997 08:51:19 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA04403; Tue, 20 May 1997 08:50:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970520085019.JZ36841@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:50:19 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.com Cc: thompson@squirrel.tgsoft.com (mark thompson) Subject: Re: floppy flaky References: <19970520041918.9270.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <19970520041918.9270.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com>; from mark thompson on May 20, 1997 04:19:18 -0000 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As mark thompson wrote: > Pretty strange, that no errors are reported, huh? Floppy drive, cable, > controller, software? Writing a floppy can only detect catastrophic errors (sector marks not found). Data-field only errors remain undetected. Reformat your floppy. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 20 00:20:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA19491 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 00:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA19479 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 00:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA29429; Tue, 20 May 1997 09:20:45 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04522; Tue, 20 May 1997 09:04:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970520090419.RD53385@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:04:19 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org (FreeBSD chat list) Cc: dg@root.com, thorpej@nas.nasa.gov (Jason Thorpe), peter@spinner.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm), yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (Kazutaka YOKOTA) Subject: Re: trap type 29 on P6 References: <199705200412.VAA19394@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> <199705200451.MAA28627@spinner.DIALix.COM> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199705200451.MAA28627@spinner.DIALix.COM>; from Peter Wemm on May 20, 1997 12:51:39 +0800 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Peter Wemm wrote: > + case T_RESERVED: > + printf("stray T_RESERVED trap (ignored)\n"); > + return; > } panic: kernel trap (ignored) (From the fortune database... ;-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 20 07:25:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA05569 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 07:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05563 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 07:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from squirrel.tgsoft.com (squirrel.tgsoft.com [207.167.64.183]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA12701 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 07:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10029 invoked by uid 128); 20 May 1997 13:24:03 -0000 Date: 20 May 1997 13:24:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19970520132403.10028.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> From: mark thompson To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.com In-reply-to: <19970520085019.JZ36841@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: floppy flaky Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:50:19 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) As mark thompson wrote: > Pretty strange, that no errors are reported, huh? Floppy drive, cable, > controller, software? Writing a floppy can only detect catastrophic errors (sector marks not found). Data-field only errors remain undetected. Reformat your floppy. True. But the read should detect a bad checksum, not just return bad bits, nicht wahr? And besides, i DID reformat the floppies, it still failed pretty much the same. I'm flummoxed. -mark From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 20 07:43:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA06429 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 07:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.computer.net (root@ns.computer.net [205.198.160.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA06415 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) From: johnr@computer.net Received: from computer.net.computer.net ([205.198.164.37]) by ns.computer.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA18220 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 10:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705201443.KAA18220@ns.computer.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 10:46:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Unsubscribe Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.32) Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 20 08:51:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA09927 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 08:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09922 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 08:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pork.csv.warwick.ac.uk (pork.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.148.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12928 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 08:50:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr M P Searle Message-Id: <4053.199705201541@pork.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by pork.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA04053; Tue, 20 May 1997 16:41:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: floppy flaky In-Reply-To: <19970520132403.10028.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> from mark thompson at "May 20, 97 01:24:03 pm" To: thompson@squirrel.tgsoft.com (mark thompson) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 16:41:30 +0100 (BST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-chat@freebsd.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:50:19 +0200 > From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) > > As mark thompson wrote: > > > Pretty strange, that no errors are reported, huh? Floppy drive, cable, > > controller, software? > > Writing a floppy can only detect catastrophic errors (sector marks not > found). Data-field only errors remain undetected. > > Reformat your floppy. > > True. But the read should detect a bad checksum, not just return bad > bits, nicht wahr? And besides, i DID reformat the floppies, it still > failed pretty much the same. Well, I've had reads from floppies return bad data as well - there was a stream of timeout errors (which I always get using floppies), but nothing unusual. I think Imust have a dodgy fdd though - sometimes I get 'unable to seek to track n' errors (where n is often 20 or 40), which are often followed by a freeze. :( (The floppy disk itself is OK here - reboot and try again, and the disk is OK.) > > I'm flummoxed. > > -mark > From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 20 14:07:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA26164 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 14:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fps.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA26155 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 14:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by fps.biblos.unal.edu.co (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18130; Tue, 20 May 1997 16:04:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 16:04:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" To: Ruslan Shevchenko Cc: Nate Williams , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD In-Reply-To: <3381A43C.3FAA@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 May 1997, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > > In just have read in magazin, than IBM receive a good cashe from > RS6000/SP > I don't doubt it, they receive good cash from everything they sell, the problem is that either their products suck (like AIX and AS400), or they have good products that they don't support or market as they should (like OS2). Pedro. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 20 20:40:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA14467 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 20:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14461 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 20:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from squirrel.tgsoft.com (squirrel.tgsoft.com [207.167.64.183]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA23446 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 20:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11635 invoked by uid 128); 21 May 1997 03:40:45 -0000 Date: 21 May 1997 03:40:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19970521034045.11634.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> From: mark thompson To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.com Subject: CU-SeeMe Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk So... what about CU-SeeMe? -mark From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 20 21:28:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16899 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 21:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16894 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 21:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24028 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 21:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23375; Tue, 20 May 1997 21:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705210427.VAA23375@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: mark thompson cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.com Subject: Re: CU-SeeMe In-reply-to: Your message of "21 May 1997 03:40:45 -0000." <19970521034045.11634.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:27:11 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ~Cu-Seeme. What about it? Amancio >From The Desk Of mark thompson : > So... what about CU-SeeMe? > > -mark From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 20 21:32:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA17188 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 21:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from icicle.winternet.com (adm@icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17180 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 21:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adm@localhost) by icicle.winternet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) id XAA16976 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 23:32:40 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:32:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tundra.winternet.com(198.174.169.11) by icicle.winternet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016907; Tue, 20 May 97 23:32:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (mestery@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA08882 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 23:32:17 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: tundra.winternet.com: mestery owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:32:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Kyle Mestery To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: 100Mbit Network Monitors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with 100Mbit ethernet network monitors, like some of the equipment from W&G or the lanalyzer. My company is looking to purchase some equipment that has monitoring capabilites and also transmitting capabilities, i.e. the ability to send out pre-setup packets. If anyone has any opinions on any equipment like this I would be interested to hear! Thanks for the help! Kyle Mestery Engineer - Network Systems Group mestery@winternet.com mesteka@chainsaw.network.com From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 20 22:32:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19748 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 22:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19743 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 22:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24513 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 22:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA18213; Tue, 20 May 1997 22:31:58 -0700 (PDT) To: mark thompson cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.com Subject: Re: CU-SeeMe In-reply-to: Your message of "21 May 1997 03:40:45 -0000." <19970521034045.11634.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:31:58 -0700 Message-ID: <18209.864192718@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > So... what about CU-SeeMe? So... What about it? Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 20 22:51:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA20611 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 22:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20606 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 22:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id HAA09935 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 21 May 1997 07:51:29 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA03183; Wed, 21 May 1997 07:46:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970521074617.TD13830@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 07:46:17 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: <3381A43C.3FAA@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: ; from Pedro F. Giffuni on May 20, 1997 16:04:51 -0500 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > I don't doubt it, they receive good cash from everything they sell, the > problem is that either their products suck (like AIX and AS400), ... AIX has it's good ends, too. I would be more than happy to have their LVM and JFS in FreeBSD, trust me. When i ran `shutdown' on an AIX machine some time ago, my colleague asked me, apparently astonished: ``Why the heck do you do this? Simply turn it off!'' :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 20 23:50:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA23067 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 23:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23061 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 23:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24960 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 23:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA10407; Wed, 21 May 1997 08:50:38 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03641; Wed, 21 May 1997 08:21:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970521082152.SV25872@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:21:52 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.com Cc: thompson@squirrel.tgsoft.com (mark thompson) Subject: Re: floppy flaky References: <19970520085019.JZ36841@uriah.heep.sax.de> <19970520132403.10028.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <19970520132403.10028.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com>; from mark thompson on May 20, 1997 13:24:03 -0000 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As mark thompson wrote: > Writing a floppy can only detect catastrophic errors (sector marks not > found). Data-field only errors remain undetected. > True. But the read should detect a bad checksum, not just return bad > bits, nicht wahr? It will only detect the bad CRC if the FDC correctly announces it. If your FDC is broken and doesn't report an error, there's not much the driver could do. For me, the FDC detects more errors than i would ever love to see :), basically proving the driver works correctly here: uriah /kernel: fd0c: hard error reading fsbn 0 (ST0 40 ST1 1 ST2 0 cyl 0 hd 0 sec 1) This was a missing mark in the address (aka. ID) field. A missing address mark in the data field would return for both, ST1 and ST2. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 20 23:52:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA23265 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 23:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23260 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 23:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24977 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 23:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA10415 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.com; Wed, 21 May 1997 08:52:04 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03651; Wed, 21 May 1997 08:24:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970521082427.ID50864@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:24:27 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.com Subject: Re: floppy flaky References: <19970520132403.10028.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> <4053.199705201541@pork.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <4053.199705201541@pork.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; from Mr M P Searle on May 20, 1997 16:41:30 +0100 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Mr M P Searle wrote: > Well, I've had reads from floppies return bad data as well - there was a > stream of timeout errors (which I always get using floppies), ... That means your controller or drive is out to lunch. Timeouts are only supposed to happen if there's no medium in the drive. (This is due to one of the most botched parts of the PeeCee ``architecture'', some genius of an engineer at IBM dropped the READY signal from the floppy bus, and wired the READY pin of the FDC to +5 V. So the controller now thinks the drive were always ready, and your only chance to notice that it's actually not is timing out an attempted command.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 21 05:50:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA08414 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 05:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA08409 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 05:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from squirrel.tgsoft.com (squirrel.tgsoft.com [207.167.64.183]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA28198 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 05:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12446 invoked by uid 128); 21 May 1997 12:50:06 -0000 Date: 21 May 1997 12:50:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19970521125006.12445.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> From: mark thompson To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.com In-reply-to: <199705210427.VAA23375@rah.star-gate.com> (message from Amancio Hasty on Tue, 20 May 1997 21:27:11 -0700) Subject: Re: CU-SeeMe Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:27:11 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty ~Cu-Seeme. What about it? Amancio >From The Desk Of mark thompson : > So... what about CU-SeeMe? > > -mark Sigh. I guess i deserved that, my query was a bit too compressed. Is this protocol still being used on the net? Is there a BSD implementation? Is there any point in messing with it? -mark From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 21 08:20:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA15913 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 08:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from croute.com (archive.croute.com [199.97.106.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA15865 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 08:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bldg1.croute.com (bldg1.croute.com [199.97.106.99]) by croute.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA06129 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 10:12:29 -0500 Received: from COMPUROUTE/SpoolDir by bldg1.croute.com (Mercury 1.31); 21 May 97 10:27:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from SpoolDir by COMPUROUTE (Mercury 1.31); 21 May 97 10:26:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Larry Dolinar" Organization: CompuRoute, Inc. To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:26:38 -0600 CDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Larry Dolinar" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19970521074617.TD13830@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: ; from Pedro F. Giffuni on May 20, 1997 16:04:51 -0500 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <204A515F05@bldg1.croute.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk And the clouds parted on 21 May 97, and J Wunsch said: >As Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > >> I don't doubt it, they receive good cash from everything they sell, the >> problem is that either their products suck (like AIX and AS400), ... > >AIX has it's good ends, too. I would be more than happy to have their >LVM and JFS in FreeBSD, trust me. > >When i ran `shutdown' on an AIX machine some time ago, my colleague >asked me, apparently astonished: ``Why the heck do you do this? >Simply turn it off!'' :) Bet *he* never spent any significant time trying to revive a bootable filesystem that got trashed by that approach... > >-- >cheers, J"org We just fired a guy that repeatedly ignored standard shutdown procedures on one of our Sparc 10's. His rationale: the Unix for Dummies book didn't say anything about it. Good thing I didn't get to him first [diabolical laughter..] cheers, larry From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 21 10:12:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21773 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 10:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (ppp010-sm2.sirius.com [205.134.231.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21761 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 10:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA10751; Wed, 21 May 1997 10:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <199705211711.KAA10751@superior.mooseriver.com> Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD In-Reply-To: <204A515F05@bldg1.croute.com> from Larry Dolinar at "May 21, 97 10:26:38 am" To: larryd@bldg1.croute.com (Larry Dolinar) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Larry Dolinar said: >And the clouds parted on 21 May 97, and J Wunsch > said: > >>As Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: >> >>> I don't doubt it, they receive good cash from everything they sell, the >>> problem is that either their products suck (like AIX and AS400), ... >> >>AIX has it's good ends, too. I would be more than happy to have their >>LVM and JFS in FreeBSD, trust me. >> >>When i ran `shutdown' on an AIX machine some time ago, my colleague >>asked me, apparently astonished: ``Why the heck do you do this? >>Simply turn it off!'' :) > >Bet *he* never spent any significant time trying to revive a bootable >filesystem that got trashed by that approach... > AIX's JFS is robust enought that one can just turn off the power and not trash the filesystem. The down side is JFS is a disk hog. Of course one should alway perform a normal shutdown. >> >>-- >>cheers, J"org > >We just fired a guy that repeatedly ignored standard shutdown procedures >on one of our Sparc 10's. His rationale: the Unix for Dummies book >didn't say anything about it. > >Good thing I didn't get to him first [diabolical laughter..] > The key here is the word "Dummies" Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.1 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 21 11:04:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24845 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24832 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29792 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18036(7)>; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:02:51 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177489>; Wed, 21 May 1997 10:54:46 -0700 To: mark thompson cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.com Subject: Re: CU-SeeMe In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 May 97 05:50:06 PDT." <19970521125006.12445.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:54:43 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <97May21.105446pdt.177489@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk mark thompson wrote: >Is this protocol still being used on the net? Is there a BSD >implementation? Is there any point in messing with it? Yes, see http://www.wpine.com/ . The only BSD implementation I know of was in nv, which is pretty darned ancient by now (it wants tcl 7.3, or something). nv does come with source for the cuseemee part, so it would be a SMOP to make it work in vic, but nobody's done it yet as far as I know. White Pine is (I think) working towards a version of CU-SeeMe that uses RTPv2 (the Internet standard for real-time streams) but the compression format is still presumably their own. Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 21 11:51:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27587 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27580 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA20525 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 21 May 1997 20:51:33 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA01104; Wed, 21 May 1997 20:49:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970521204906.MY61475@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:49:06 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: ; <204A515F05@bldg1.croute.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <204A515F05@bldg1.croute.com>; from Larry Dolinar on May 21, 1997 10:26:38 -0600 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Larry Dolinar wrote: > >When i ran `shutdown' on an AIX machine some time ago, my colleague > >asked me, apparently astonished: ``Why the heck do you do this? > >Simply turn it off!'' :) > > Bet *he* never spent any significant time trying to revive a bootable > filesystem that got trashed by that approach... You will have a very hard time getting an AIX machine to trash it in the first place, that was entirely my point. It probably requires an AK-47 or such... Usually, the AIX machine simply boots up and says: ``The /usr filesystem is clean, no checking needed.'' > We just fired a guy that repeatedly ignored standard shutdown procedures > on one of our Sparc 10's. No, i didn't speak about SunOS/Solaris. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 21 13:20:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03571 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA03548 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA22165 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 21 May 1997 22:20:38 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA01951; Wed, 21 May 1997 22:03:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970521220328.OY29653@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:03:28 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPDIVERT broken? References: <33832D5B.13728473@whistle.com> <2972.864236344@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <2972.864236344@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on May 21, 1997 10:39:04 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Unintentional breakage is something else, of course, and not within > the scope of this discussion. ``I gonna commit xxx and will probably unintentionally break the tree by this.'' :-)) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 21 13:27:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03949 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03943 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (joelh@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00397 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id QAA08591; Wed, 21 May 1997 16:14:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:14:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199705212014.QAA08591@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: thompson@squirrel.tgsoft.com CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.com In-reply-to: <19970521034045.11634.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> (message from mark thompson on 21 May 1997 03:40:45 -0000) Subject: Re: CU-SeeMe From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >So... what about CU-SeeMe? What about it? -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 21 13:34:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04438 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04432 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (root@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00427 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id QAA08591; Wed, 21 May 1997 16:14:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:14:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199705212014.QAA08591@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: thompson@squirrel.tgsoft.com CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.com In-reply-to: <19970521034045.11634.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> (message from mark thompson on 21 May 1997 03:40:45 -0000) Subject: Re: CU-SeeMe From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >So... what about CU-SeeMe? What about it? -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 21 13:43:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04929 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from murkwood.gaffaneys.com (dialup1.gaffaneys.com [134.129.252.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04916 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from zach@localhost) by murkwood.gaffaneys.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01806; Wed, 21 May 1997 15:45:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Zach Heilig Message-ID: <19970521154533.29192@murkwood.gaffaneys.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:45:33 -0500 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: I'm Back... (sigh) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Damned, that was a nasty month and a few days. I just got power back today after losing it on April 18th, due to that ... ahem... flood. I only had 1700 or so messages waiting, so I'm assuming I was kicked off the various lists [due to everything in this general area being submerged and otherwise inoperable]. We were fortunate to only get a basement full of water... They said that if we ever got flooded on this hill, the rest of the town will also be flooded... and that's exactly what happened. Anyway, I need to get back to work mucking around in that sludge they call river mud [mixed with motor oil]. -- Zach Heilig (zach@blizzard.gaffaneys.com) | ALL unsolicited commercial email | is unwelcome. I avoid dealing | with companies that email ads. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 21 19:37:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24523 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 19:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ingenieria ([168.176.15.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24518 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 19:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co by ingenieria (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA07843; Wed, 21 May 1997 22:24:26 -0400 Message-ID: <3383CCDE.53A@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:34:38 -0700 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ron G. Minnich" CC: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing 2.2.1 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello Ron; Ron G. Minnich wrote: > 1) linux install works well and consistently > 2) freebsd install does not work well or consistently > 3) the freebsd 2.05R install worked much better for me than any subsequent > fbsd install tool. ...[FBSD installations sucks, or something like that] > If you don't like linux, then get a bsdi system and install that. It's > also quite nice. > You are not the first, or the last to report this, but honestly it's not so bad. I tried to install SCO without success and it was a real pain in the...(yeah there :)). The one thing I dislike about FreeBSD's installation is that it "happily" reformats the disks even when the installation will fail because of defective media; not working network card, or an unsupported ATAPI. I would like to be able to use my system an additional day until I find a way to install FreeBSD. I don't think there is a generalized dislike for Linux, there are simply more important issues. Pedro. > ron > > Ron Minnich |Java: an operating-system-independent, > rminnich@sarnoff.com |architecture-independent programming language > (609)-734-3120 |for Windows/95 and Windows/NT on the Pentium > ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 21 21:43:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA00270 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 21:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00264 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 21:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA18140; Thu, 22 May 1997 14:11:45 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199705220441.OAA18140@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Backwards compatibiliy for isa_driver In-Reply-To: <199705211746.KAA03594@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "May 21, 97 10:46:39 am" To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:11:44 +0930 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > > For a real fix, have a bonfire with all the ISA cards in your town. > > > > Burning them is less fun than many of the alternatives. I have been > > known to sell them to artistically naive members of the drug set for > > as much as ten times their market value; I believe there is a > > "techno-goth" (their terms) household around here that still has a > > matched set of flying CGA cards on their wall. > > Heh. I now have visions of Dali-esque sculptures created using old > ISA cards, a drill, a pop-riviter, and a blow torch. Hmm. The milk crate with 5.25" harddisk platters rivetted on as mock fish-scales? The christmas tree decorated with coloured ribbon cable, harddisk head assemblies and dangling ceramic packages? They put their angel/fairy sitting inside an 8" disk platter at the top. > Someone will probably end up a rich noveau artist off this discussion. IBM used to buy a fair amount of that sort of stuff and use it in their glossies. I used to have one with a picture of a pile of disk platters stuck in the spine of a sand dune, marching off into the distance. > Terry Lambert Oh, and that's "artiste", thankyou. 8) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 22 14:31:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07510 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 May 1997 14:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07467 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 14:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA01307 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 23:30:36 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id XAA02327 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 22 May 1997 23:30:20 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id UAA17345; Thu, 22 May 1997 20:34:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970522203406.54250@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:34:06 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: <3381A43C.3FAA@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> <19970521074617.TD13830@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: <19970521074617.TD13830@uriah.heep.sax.de>; from J Wunsch on Wed, May 21, 1997 at 07:46:17AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3283 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to J Wunsch: > AIX has it's good ends, too. I would be more than happy to have their > LVM and JFS in FreeBSD, trust me. JFS for reliability, not for speed I hope... I've always found JFS slower than anything else. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #9: Thu May 8 20:22:51 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 22 15:35:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA13232 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 May 1997 15:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13208 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 15:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA11941 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 23 May 1997 00:35:38 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA00659; Fri, 23 May 1997 00:28:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970523002836.FN18854@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 00:28:36 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: <3381A43C.3FAA@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> <19970521074617.TD13830@uriah.heep.sax.de> <19970522203406.54250@keltia.freenix.fr> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <19970522203406.54250@keltia.freenix.fr>; from Ollivier Robert on May 22, 1997 20:34:06 +0200 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Ollivier Robert wrote: > JFS for reliability, not for speed I hope... I've always found JFS slower > than anything else. Given that my only AIX machine is an old Model 320 one, i can hardly compare its speed to anything else, maybe except to the 386/sx16 i've got in a trashbin. :-) At least, the latter should be of the same age as the Model 320. I have no doubt that the logging adds overhead. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 22 15:56:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15261 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 May 1997 15:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15238 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 15:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA00430; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19970522185643.53267@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:56:43 -0400 From: Charles Henrich To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Pentium II-266Mhjz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-970422-RELENG Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk RC5 Benchmark 448928.54 keys/sec Kernel build, 3.5 minutes Its snappy, but not a huge improvement over a PPro 233 (396k keys/sec on rc5) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 22 17:22:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA18711 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 May 1997 17:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18706 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 17:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA02454; Thu, 22 May 1997 20:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19970522202155.61543@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:21:55 -0400 From: Charles Henrich To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Pentium II-266Mhz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-970422-RELENG Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On the subject of Re: Pentium II-266Mhz, Eric J. Schwertfeger stated: > > On Thu, 22 May 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > RC5 Benchmark 448928.54 keys/sec > > Kernel build, 3.5 minutes > > What Kernel, GENERIC? How much ram, what hard drive, etc? I'm curious, > because my P6/166 (150 overclocked) does a kernel build in under 3 > minutes, but that's not a GENERIC kernel. GENERIC is 4.7 minutes, its a CONNER CFP2107S HD, although I accidently bounced it off the floor about 3 times while moving to the new machine, so it may have been doing some sector remapping :) However I've never been able to get the miraculus build times others have, this is a standard distribution with /usr/bin/time make .. MPEG decoding is running at about 6% processor, vs. 10% on my PPro 233. DD tests: 8:13pm crh> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000 1000+0 records in 1000+0 records out 1048576000 bytes transferred in 9.969560 secs (105177762 bytes/sec) 8:14pm crh> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=128k count=8000 8000+0 records in 8000+0 records out 1048576000 bytes transferred in 4.389535 secs (238880886 bytes/sec) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 22 17:29:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA19035 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 May 1997 17:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.cdrom.com [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19025 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 17:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Lehey Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03977 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 17:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papillon.lemis.com by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0wUhkx-000QcaC; Fri, 23 May 97 01:58 MET DST Received: (grog@localhost) by papillon.lemis.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id LAA00601; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:44:01 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <199705210344.LAA00601@papillon.lemis.com> Subject: Re: floppy flaky In-Reply-To: <19970520132403.10028.qmail@squirrel.tgsoft.com> from mark thompson at "May 20, 97 01:24:03 pm" To: thompson@squirrel.tgsoft.com (mark thompson) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:44:00 +0800 (CST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-chat@freebsd.com Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Reply-to: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/~grog X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk mark thompson writes: > Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:50:19 +0200 > From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) > > As mark thompson wrote: > >> Pretty strange, that no errors are reported, huh? Floppy drive, cable, >> controller, software? > > Writing a floppy can only detect catastrophic errors (sector marks not > found). Data-field only errors remain undetected. > > Reformat your floppy. > > True. But the read should detect a bad checksum, not just return bad > bits, nicht wahr? And besides, i DID reformat the floppies, it still > failed pretty much the same. > > I'm flummoxed. I seem to recall things like this happening in the "good old days". We frequently had two different 5 1/4" floppy drives (360 kb and 1.2 MB) on our machines to get around the problem, which was related to different track widths for the two formats. Here's a scenario: somehow (not difficult), your floppy drive has got out of alignment. As a result, you're accessing it slightly off-track. Formatting it writes new tracks, slightly off the old tracks, but reading still "sees" the old tracks as well. So why don't you get CRC errors? Good question. My guess is that something is ignoring them. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 22 19:30:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24943 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 May 1997 19:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24938 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 19:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03122; Thu, 22 May 1997 19:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705230230.TAA03122@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pentium II-266Mhz In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 May 1997 20:21:55 EDT." <19970522202155.61543@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:30:14 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > On the subject of Re: Pentium II-266Mhz, Eric J. Schwertfeger stated: > > > > On Thu, 22 May 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > > > RC5 Benchmark 448928.54 keys/sec > > > Kernel build, 3.5 minutes I think I am going to skip the Pentium II generation and wait for the next generation with hopefully a faster PCI bus, better caching , and higher memory bandwith. Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 22 21:28:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29133 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 May 1997 21:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from colossus.macromedia.com (host-157-226.macromedia.com [207.88.157.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29125 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 21:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kweiske@localhost) by colossus.macromedia.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02637; Thu, 22 May 1997 21:25:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: colossus.macromedia.com: kweiske owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Kurt Weiske To: Amancio Hasty cc: Charles Henrich , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pentium II-266Mhz In-Reply-To: <199705230230.TAA03122@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 22 May 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > I think I am going to skip the Pentium II generation and wait for the next > generation with hopefully a faster PCI bus, better caching , and higher > memory bandwith. I'm probably going to get a local bus machine next. If I can find VLB cards, that is... (running 2.1.5-Release on a 386/33, humming along nicely...) --Kurt Weiske (kweiske@macromedia.com) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 22 21:30:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29265 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 22 May 1997 21:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29260 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 21:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10812; Thu, 22 May 1997 21:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705230430.VAA10812@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Kurt Weiske cc: Charles Henrich , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pentium II-266Mhz In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 May 1997 21:25:13 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:30:41 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Well, on my last contract I couldn't get 3 video capture boards going at full throttle so at least in certain nice markets we need more of everything. Amancio >From The Desk Of Kurt Weiske : > On Thu, 22 May 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > I think I am going to skip the Pentium II generation and wait for the next > > generation with hopefully a faster PCI bus, better caching , and higher > > memory bandwith. > > I'm probably going to get a local bus machine next. If I can find VLB > cards, that is... > > (running 2.1.5-Release on a 386/33, humming along nicely...) > > > --Kurt Weiske (kweiske@macromedia.com) > From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 00:50:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA06569 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 00:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA06563 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 00:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA16537 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:50:48 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03503; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:25:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970523092557.HX00614@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:25:57 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pentium II-266Mhz References: <199705230230.TAA03122@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: ; from Kurt Weiske on May 22, 1997 21:25:13 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Kurt Weiske wrote: > I'm probably going to get a local bus machine next. If I can find VLB > cards, that is... > > (running 2.1.5-Release on a 386/33, humming along nicely...) Better get EISA, it's not that crappy as VLB. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 01:09:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA07725 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 01:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tree.Stanford.EDU (tree.Stanford.EDU [36.83.0.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA07720 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 01:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jkoum@localhost) by tree.Stanford.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.3) id BAA06743; Fri, 23 May 1997 01:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 01:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Koum To: Joerg Wunsch cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pentium II-266Mhz In-Reply-To: <19970523092557.HX00614@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 23 May 1997, J Wunsch wrote: > As Kurt Weiske wrote: > > > I'm probably going to get a local bus machine next. If I can find VLB > > cards, that is... > > > > (running 2.1.5-Release on a 386/33, humming along nicely...) > > Better get EISA, it's not that crappy as VLB. > Well, don't know which one is better, but severl month ago I got me a VLB #9 771 w/4MB - and it is a screamer. Running on a 486/Dx2-66 machine. It beats the crap out of my ATI Mach64 PCI with 4MB in a Pentium. -- Yan Just my .02c From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 09:41:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00254 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.vis.net.uk [194.207.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00246 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.vis.net.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA05033; Fri, 23 May 1997 17:41:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:41:06 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re. re-install/copy options - was ASUS P/I... In-Reply-To: <199705231622.JAA27881@george.lbl.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [relocated in chat, hope no one minds.] On Fri, 23 May 1997, Jin Guojun[ITG] wrote: > An option to save current configuration parameter used on one machine > at the end of sysinstall back to the boot disk is a pretty idea. One can make > an installation floppy with default parameter by oneself, but it is a lot of > work. I would like to see this option in a new installation floppy. > For individual user, this is not useful. For a cluster admin, it is very useful. No, I think this would be useful for an individual user as well, especially the home user. For example, at home I have W*nd**s installed as well (it has sound support - hint hint :) ). Now that great cornerstone of software architecture, Microsoft(tm)(rgd.)(C)(BAD) has a nasty habit of hosing my computer down completely - nonstandard hardware etc.. So I'm often at the stage of lowlevel formatting my (IDE) drive, which means I have to reinstall FreeBSD as well. Okay, Windows only managed to destroy my drive once, but it would be nice for those who wipe things down regularly (I'm one). How about developers who are perhaps rewriting config files and whatnot, there comes a point when it's quicker to reinstall the lot (over the top even) that replace individual files. Also if a boot disk could do this then it would be easier (and less trouble) to put it in press yes and watch TV for an hour. > Good thought, I think someone else thought of this (or something like it) first, damn shame. I'd like to write a front end to config in the style of sysinstall, that'd build your kernel for you. Or... have sysinstall tell you that the GENERIC kernel detected the following, but didn't find any [...] devices, would you like to build a custom kernel and install that ?? Somehow I don't think that would fit on the bootdisk though =) < Eeek, did I just suggest the MS "Add new hardware wizard". Ooops. =) > -- Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. E: steve@visint.co.uk M: +44 (0) 976 241 342 T: +44 (0) 117 973 0597 F: +44 (0) 117 923 8522 He who has a dog to worship him should have a cat to ignore him From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 13:35:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14145 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (root@carlton.innotts.co.uk [194.176.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14140 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.176.130.44] (serialA2b.innotts.co.uk [194.176.130.44]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12279; Fri, 23 May 1997 21:21:51 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: robmel@mailhost.innotts.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19970522203406.54250@keltia.freenix.fr> References: <19970521074617.TD13830@uriah.heep.sax.de>; from J Wunsch on Wed, May 21, 1997 at 07:46:17AM +0200 <3381A43C.3FAA@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> <19970521074617.TD13830@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 21:18:38 +0100 To: Ollivier Robert , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 7:34 pm +0100 22/5/97, Ollivier Robert wrote: >JFS for reliability, not for speed I hope... I've always found JFS slower >than anything else. Like everything Mac, I suppose. Surprising really considering the speed of the chip. I suppose they have a Microsoft spy in place who places timing loops in everything without telling anybody 8-) Rob. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 13:51:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14879 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14871 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA26134; Fri, 23 May 1997 22:50:53 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA06016; Fri, 23 May 1997 22:47:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970523224702.NL51483@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:47:02 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: jlemon@americantv.com (Jonathan Lemon) Cc: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert), alex@androcles.com (Duane H. Hesser), cat@uunet.ca, chat@hub.freebsd.org Subject: Re: UU.NET, SPAM, and Cyberpromotions (was Re: usregsite.com) References: <199705231636.JAA07391@phaeton.artisoft.com> <19970523141845.49335@right.PCS> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <19970523141845.49335@right.PCS>; from Jonathan Lemon on May 23, 1997 14:18:45 -0500 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Moved to -chat) As Jonathan Lemon wrote: > > I did report it, and haven't seen anything since after the second time > > I had to report it to them; I got their canned response, so it may be > > that they have taken care of this one. > > The problem with uu.net is that they lease their dialups to various > ISPs, but there's no way to discover this from the information that > uu.net provides. > The annoyed victim complains to uu.net, ... Well, but uu.net is in charge for this entire domain, and as long as they don't even install MXes for their subdomains, so you could complain e.g. at postmaster@foo.bar.ca.uu.net, i can't feel with them. I've tried a few times to resolve MXes for the lower-level uu.net subdomains, but it really looks the first level you could send mail to again is uu.net itself. So they have to bear the complaints then. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 16:10:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22808 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (root@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22789 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id TAA20798; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:09:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 19:09:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199705232309.TAA20798@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19970523092557.HX00614@uriah.heep.sax.de> (j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Subject: Re: Pentium II-266Mhz From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I'm probably going to get a local bus machine next. If I can find VLB >> cards, that is... >> (running 2.1.5-Release on a 386/33, humming along nicely...) > Better get EISA, it's not that crappy as VLB. Getting EISA on my 486 (in '93) is probably the only decision on that computer I regret. (I sometimes waver on the monitor issue... it's a Socos that is now giving me problems with the horizontal sync timing.) My use of SCSI (not an IDE controller in the box!), the 3Com card, CD-ROM, VLB ET4000, the Intel chip (now replaced by an AMD that I got for a song), everything has turned out quite good, and I've managed to get average P-90 performance out of a 486 by using good components and good hand-tuning. But the EISA just doesn't do it. EISA is a great bus, don't get me wrong. But it's expensive, cards are few and far between, and with PCI becoming ubiquitous nowdays then it lost the role it may have had. Happy hacking, joelh -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 16:10:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22826 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (joelh@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22810 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id TAA20798; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:09:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 19:09:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199705232309.TAA20798@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19970523092557.HX00614@uriah.heep.sax.de> (j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Subject: Re: Pentium II-266Mhz From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I'm probably going to get a local bus machine next. If I can find VLB >> cards, that is... >> (running 2.1.5-Release on a 386/33, humming along nicely...) > Better get EISA, it's not that crappy as VLB. Getting EISA on my 486 (in '93) is probably the only decision on that computer I regret. (I sometimes waver on the monitor issue... it's a Socos that is now giving me problems with the horizontal sync timing.) My use of SCSI (not an IDE controller in the box!), the 3Com card, CD-ROM, VLB ET4000, the Intel chip (now replaced by an AMD that I got for a song), everything has turned out quite good, and I've managed to get average P-90 performance out of a 486 by using good components and good hand-tuning. But the EISA just doesn't do it. EISA is a great bus, don't get me wrong. But it's expensive, cards are few and far between, and with PCI becoming ubiquitous nowdays then it lost the role it may have had. Happy hacking, joelh -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 16:14:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23161 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (joelh@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23156 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id TAA20817; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:14:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 19:14:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199705232314.TAA20817@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: robmel@innotts.co.uk CC: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Robin Melville on Fri, 23 May 1997 21:18:38 +0100) Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>JFS for reliability, not for speed I hope... I've always found JFS slower >>than anything else. >Like everything Mac, I suppose. Surprising really considering the >speed of the chip. I suppose they have a Microsoft spy in place who >places timing loops in everything without telling anybody 8-) I thought that JFS was AIX, not MacOS. -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 16:19:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23625 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23618 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id BAA29485 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 24 May 1997 01:18:25 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA03193; Sat, 24 May 1997 01:12:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970524011257.YL09116@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 01:12:57 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd9660 filesystem slowed down ??? References: <199705231641.JAA07418@phaeton.artisoft.com> <317.864424791@critter> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <317.864424791@critter>; from Poul-Henning Kamp on May 23, 1997 23:59:51 +0200 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > Terry Lambert writes: > > >Try 1K, the native size. I think you are seeing pessimal rotational > >latency. > > Terry, the native size is 2 K for CDROMS... Maybe Microsoft has redefined this value? :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 16:32:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24276 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (root@carlton.innotts.co.uk [194.176.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24269 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.176.130.42] (serialA29.innotts.co.uk [194.176.130.42]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA20526; Sat, 24 May 1997 00:31:54 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: robmel@mailhost.innotts.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705232314.TAA20817@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> References: (message from Robin Melville on Fri, 23 May 1997 21:18:38 +0100) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:31:52 +0100 To: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:14 am +0100 24/5/97, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: >>>JFS for reliability, not for speed I hope... I've always found JFS slower >>>than anything else. >>Like everything Mac, I suppose. Surprising really considering the >>speed of the chip. I suppose they have a Microsoft spy in place who >>places timing loops in everything without telling anybody 8-) > >I thought that JFS was AIX, not MacOS. Mac Unix, not MacOS rob. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 20:15:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA02784 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 20:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com ([206.224.65.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02774 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 20:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id WAA26657; Fri, 23 May 1997 22:13:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19970523221331.44082@luke.pmr.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:13:31 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Robin Melville Cc: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69e In-Reply-To: ; from Robin Melville on Sat, May 24, 1997 at 12:31:52AM +0100 Reply-To: bob@luke.pmr.com (Bob Willcox) Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, May 24, 1997 at 12:31:52AM +0100, Robin Melville wrote: > At 12:14 am +0100 24/5/97, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > >>>JFS for reliability, not for speed I hope... I've always found JFS slower > >>>than anything else. > >>Like everything Mac, I suppose. Surprising really considering the > >>speed of the chip. I suppose they have a Microsoft spy in place who > >>places timing loops in everything without telling anybody 8-) > > > >I thought that JFS was AIX, not MacOS. > > Mac Unix, not MacOS Hmm, I worked for IBM on AIX for 12 years (1983 - 1995), and trust me, that there was *nothing* common between Mac Unix and AIX! The JFS was developed for AIX version 3 (previous AIXes ran on the original IBM RT). BTW (for just a bit of trivia), there was also an AIX on the PS/2's, though its kernel shared nothing in common with the RS/6K kernel (it was developed by LCC, not IBM) as well as a version of AIX that ran on 390's that used an OSF/1 kernel. The PS/2 and 390 versions of AIX did, however, use RS/6K source as the base for their libraries and commands. -- Bob Willcox Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made bob@luke.pmr.com President should on no account be allowed to do the job. Austin, TX -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 20:17:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA02856 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.tbe.net (qmailr@lightning.tbe.net [208.208.122.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02848 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 20:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15626 invoked from network); 24 May 1997 03:13:34 -0000 Received: from port3.go-pc.com (HELO bc.bythehand.net) (206.20.105.142) by lightning.tbe.net with SMTP; 24 May 1997 03:13:34 -0000 Message-ID: <33865D9D.46C9@bythehand.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:16:45 -0400 From: Bernard Courtney Reply-To: bc@bythehand.com Organization: Internet Creations By The Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joerg Wunsch CC: chat@hub.freebsd.org Subject: Re: UU.NET, SPAM, and Cyberpromotions (was Re: usregsite.com) References: <199705231636.JAA07391@phaeton.artisoft.com> <19970523141845.49335@right.PCS> <19970523224702.NL51483@uriah.heep.sax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > > (Moved to -chat) > > As Jonathan Lemon wrote: > > > > I did report it, and haven't seen anything since after the second time > > > I had to report it to them; I got their canned response, so it may be > > > that they have taken care of this one. > > > > The problem with uu.net is that they lease their dialups to various > > ISPs, but there's no way to discover this from the information that > > uu.net provides. > > > The annoyed victim complains to uu.net, ... > > Well, but uu.net is in charge for this entire domain, and as long as > they don't even install MXes for their subdomains, so you could > complain e.g. at postmaster@foo.bar.ca.uu.net, i can't feel with them. > > I've tried a few times to resolve MXes for the lower-level uu.net > subdomains, but it really looks the first level you could send mail to > again is uu.net itself. So they have to bear the complaints then. > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) Af far as I know UU Net is very good with taking action against customers who abuse their service, but only if they have a definative way of finding them. I would have to side against UU Net on this one because if they took a few more responciable steps toward identifing users, they would not have this problem at all with their domains. But I don't think that UU Net is deserves all of the blame, the goverment MUST implement some laws regarding the use of Internet e-mail (such as the laws regarding abuse of the telephone network) and have fines for the people and businesses that abuse this laws. I think that it is not fair for all ISP's to have to "fend for themselves" in preventing spam from over running their servers. Bernard From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 20:41:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA03765 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 20:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com ([206.224.65.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03760 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id WAA26657; Fri, 23 May 1997 22:13:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19970523221331.44082@luke.pmr.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:13:31 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Robin Melville Cc: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69e In-Reply-To: ; from Robin Melville on Sat, May 24, 1997 at 12:31:52AM +0100 Reply-To: bob@luke.pmr.com (Bob Willcox) Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, May 24, 1997 at 12:31:52AM +0100, Robin Melville wrote: > At 12:14 am +0100 24/5/97, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > >>>JFS for reliability, not for speed I hope... I've always found JFS slower > >>>than anything else. > >>Like everything Mac, I suppose. Surprising really considering the > >>speed of the chip. I suppose they have a Microsoft spy in place who > >>places timing loops in everything without telling anybody 8-) > > > >I thought that JFS was AIX, not MacOS. > > Mac Unix, not MacOS Hmm, I worked for IBM on AIX for 12 years (1983 - 1995), and trust me, that there was *nothing* common between Mac Unix and AIX! The JFS was developed for AIX version 3 (previous AIXes ran on the original IBM RT). BTW (for just a bit of trivia), there was also an AIX on the PS/2's, though its kernel shared nothing in common with the RS/6K kernel (it was developed by LCC, not IBM) as well as a version of AIX that ran on 390's that used an OSF/1 kernel. The PS/2 and 390 versions of AIX did, however, use RS/6K source as the base for their libraries and commands. -- Bob Willcox Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made bob@luke.pmr.com President should on no account be allowed to do the job. Austin, TX -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 23 21:32:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05662 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 21:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05649 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 21:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA07431 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 06:32:09 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id GAA01088 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 24 May 1997 06:31:49 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id BAA00568; Sat, 24 May 1997 01:24:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970524012436.35752@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 01:24:36 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: <19970521074617.TD13830@uriah.heep.sax.de>; <3381A43C.3FAA@cki.ipri.kiev.ua> <19970521074617.TD13830@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: ; from Robin Melville on Fri, May 23, 1997 at 09:18:38PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3323 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Robin Melville: > Like everything Mac, I suppose. Surprising really considering the speed > of the chip. I suppose they have a Microsoft spy in place who places > timing loops in everything without telling anybody 8-) Methinks you are a bit confused... We're talking about the journaled filesystem used by AIX, IBM's "UNIX" variant. Our LFS (a log filesystem whereas JFS is a filesystem with a journal), has still not recovered from the unified VM/buffer cache change but John said he was going to fix it. PS: your lines are really too long... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #9: Thu May 8 20:22:51 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 24 01:21:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA13563 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 24 May 1997 01:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA13546 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 01:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA04805 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 24 May 1997 10:21:08 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07026; Sat, 24 May 1997 10:17:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970524101704.VB15923@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 10:17:04 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: <19970523221331.44082@luke.pmr.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <19970523221331.44082@luke.pmr.com>; from Bob Willcox on May 23, 1997 22:13:31 -0500 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Bob Willcox wrote: > > >I thought that JFS was AIX, not MacOS. > > > > Mac Unix, not MacOS > > Hmm, I worked for IBM on AIX for 12 years (1983 - 1995), and trust > me, that there was *nothing* common between Mac Unix and AIX! Confusion between AIX and A/UX? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 24 05:27:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA23609 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 24 May 1997 05:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com ([206.224.65.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA23604 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 05:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id HAA10391; Sat, 24 May 1997 07:25:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19970524072532.45735@luke.pmr.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 07:25:32 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Joerg Wunsch Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD References: <19970523221331.44082@luke.pmr.com> <19970524101704.VB15923@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69e In-Reply-To: <19970524101704.VB15923@uriah.heep.sax.de>; from J Wunsch on Sat, May 24, 1997 at 10:17:04AM +0200 Reply-To: bob@luke.pmr.com (Bob Willcox) Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, May 24, 1997 at 10:17:04AM +0200, J Wunsch wrote: > As Bob Willcox wrote: > > > > >I thought that JFS was AIX, not MacOS. > > > > > > Mac Unix, not MacOS > > > > Hmm, I worked for IBM on AIX for 12 years (1983 - 1995), and trust > > me, that there was *nothing* common between Mac Unix and AIX! > > Confusion between AIX and A/UX? Perhaps so. Similar in name, very different in lineage. -- Bob Willcox Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made bob@luke.pmr.com President should on no account be allowed to do the job. Austin, TX -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 24 09:00:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29650 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 24 May 1997 09:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (root@carlton.innotts.co.uk [194.176.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29636 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 09:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.176.130.4] (serialA03.innotts.co.uk [194.176.130.4]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28221 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 16:59:54 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: robmel@mailhost.innotts.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19970524101704.VB15923@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <19970523221331.44082@luke.pmr.com>; from Bob Willcox on May 23, 1997 22:13:31 -0500 <19970523221331.44082@luke.pmr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 16:59:50 +0100 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: Cluster Computing in BSD Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 9:17 am +0100 24/5/97, J Wunsch wrote: >Confusion between AIX and A/UX? surely -- must get these specs fixed 8-> Sorry about the long lines, this may be fixed now. Rob. From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 24 21:45:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA07783 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 24 May 1997 21:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (joelh@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07778 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 21:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id AAA28285; Sun, 25 May 1997 00:45:44 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 00:45:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199705250445.AAA28285@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Sending file descriptors over AF_UNIX sockets From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I understand that it is possible to send an open file descriptor over an AF_UNIX datagram socket. I've been looking over the source for leads as to how this might be done; anybody care to help me? Thanks, joelh -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 24 22:39:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA09322 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 24 May 1997 22:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (devnull@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA09317 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 22:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id BAA28601; Sun, 25 May 1997 01:39:24 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 01:39:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199705250539.BAA28601@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> From: "Joel N. Weber II" To: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199705250445.AAA28285@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> (message from Joel Ray Holveck on Sun, 25 May 1997 00:45:44 -0400) Subject: Re: Sending file descriptors over AF_UNIX sockets x-lossage: losing lossage losses lossfully x-x-headers: not enough x-url: http://www.cyclic.com/~nemo x-attribution: nemo x-foobar: Ask not for whom the bell tolls, and pay only station-to-station rates. Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 00:45:44 -0400 From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I understand that it is possible to send an open file descriptor over an AF_UNIX datagram socket. I've been looking over the source for leads as to how this might be done; anybody care to help me? Well, now that you're asleep, I looked up sendmsg in w richard stevens and found that hte reason I can't grok the kernel source refering to msg_control is because you have to provide your own struct msghdr and pass that to the kernel. program 15.9 and 15.10 seem to be what you want to look at. it's around page 488. you can ftp the source from ftp.uu.net in published/books/stevens.advprog.tar.Z (assuming that the info in the book is actually accurate; I haven't tried it) happy hacking, joelw