From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 28 18:13:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA24553 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:13:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com ([209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA24548 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:13:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08578; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:12:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199712290212.SAA08578@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hot Hot Hot... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 27 Dec 1997 17:40:15 -0200." <199712271940.RAA11949@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:12:48 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How you took the snapshot of the paper it looks sharp. Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 29 08:18:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA13752 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 08:18:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from protheus.ravel.ufrj.br (rodolfo@protheus.ravel.ufrj.br [146.164.32.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA13747 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 08:18:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rodolfo@ravel.ufrj.br) Received: (from rodolfo@localhost) by protheus.ravel.ufrj.br (8.8.3/8.6.9) id OAA19709; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 14:17:06 -0200 (EDT) From: Rodolfo Heitor Gevaerd de Faria Message-Id: <199712291617.OAA19709@protheus.ravel.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Hot Hot Hot... In-Reply-To: <199712290212.SAA08578@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Dec 28, 97 06:12:48 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 14:17:05 -0200 (EDT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Amancio Hasty was saying that, ^ ^ How you took the snapshot of the paper it looks sharp. I used a HP Scanjet 4c. By the way, that was the second hottest day of this year, here in Rio de Janeiro. The hottest was during winter!! Thanks El Nino. :( ^ ^ Cheers, ^ Amancio ^ ^ Rodolfo H G Faria From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 30 07:09:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA28043 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 07:09:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA28038; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 07:08:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06625; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:06:35 GMT Message-ID: <34A7D892.771A100E@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:06:28 +0000 From: Ruslan Shevchenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kent S. Gordon" CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: fbsd & commerce (Re: Informix on FreeBSD (maybe)) References: <199712301413.IAA26005@soccer.inetspace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kent S. Gordon wrote: > ????? "julian" == Julian Elischer ?julian@whistle.com? writes: > > ? I've been talking to an Informix-type, who when asked if there > ? could be an informix portt to FreeBSD said.. "maybe" "anything > ? for a buck" > > The International Informix User Group has a group trying to get > Informix ported to Linux for some time. I am not sure how far they > have gotten. They have a mailing list (linux-informix) at > majordomo@iiug.org. I think getting a informix running under Linux and > then using the Linux emulation is a much more feasable method of > getting a Informix to run under FreeBSD. > That's why Linux have better commerse success then FreeBSD. I think, for supporting commmerce users of FreeBSD, must exists firm, which sell commerce version of FreeBSD, which must be identical to free version, + some customization and preinstalled software and provide aggressive marketing of FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 30 08:00:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA02022 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:00:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA01992 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:00:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsdcvs@shadows.aeon.net) Received: (from bsdcvs@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id SAA00302 for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:05:35 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199712301605.SAA00302@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/emulators/bochs - Imported sources In-Reply-To: <19971227105751.53703@klemm.gtn.com> from Andreas Klemm at "Dec 27, 97 10:57:51 am" To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:05:35 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Bochs is an Intel x86 CPU emulator capable of running protected mode > > > software such as Windows 95. > > Can it run FreeBSD ? > n virtual machines emulating a network ? ;-)) > With loadable hardware modules ? ;-)) how about: a virtual machine running on boch, running on boch, running on boch... =) mickey From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 30 08:56:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA05970 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:56:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adam.adonai.net (adam.adonai.net [207.8.83.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA05936; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:55:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leec@adam.adonai.net) Received: from localhost (leec@localhost) by adam.adonai.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07445; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:55:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:55:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Lee Crites (AEI)" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fbsd & commerce (Re: Informix on FreeBSD (maybe)) In-Reply-To: <34A7D892.771A100E@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: => That's why Linux have better commerse success then FreeBSD. => => I think, for supporting commmerce users of FreeBSD, must exists => firm, which sell commerce version of FreeBSD, which must be identical => to free version, + some customization and preinstalled software => and provide aggressive marketing of FreeBSD. This brings up a question which I have thought of a time or two. I had a fairly good level of success giving away some fbsd 2.2.1 cd's (thanks, Jordan!) to companies around the Austin area. The success was enough that I thought of retailing the os along with system support. What would FreeBSD's "official" stand be if I started charging for the os? Something like: The AEI FreeBSD Operating System: $X,XXX loaded and installed $X,XXX for 12 months of OS maintenance, including os upgrades $X,XXX for System Administration training I already did something like this with two clients in this area. I gave them a copy of the 2.2.1 cd and my consulting company billed them for setting it up. So far, I only had two people I spoke with refuse to look into fbsd. Some moved from sco and some from that "other" free un*x. For the rest (I only gave 16 total), they were either educational, had NO computer system, or moved from windoze (these are the ones I am happiest about). The limiting factor was they had someone who knew something about un*x already. I haven't really tried a brand new to un*x company yet. But I digress... How would the FreeBSD Project feel if they found some rogue company in Austin was charging for FreeBSD, installing, training, and support? Lee Crites From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 30 10:04:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA10983 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:04:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user20169@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA10953 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:04:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 30 Dec 1997 18:10:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:10:49 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: "Lee Crites \(AEI\)" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fbsd & commerce (Re: Informix on FreeBSD (maybe)) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Welcome to world of VARs! (Value Added Resellers) You are not charging for the software; you are charging for the software packaging on the CD, and you are then selling your brain. I think a good portion of the people on this list are making money because they understand FreeBSD. Kevin On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Lee Crites (AEI) wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > > => That's why Linux have better commerse success then FreeBSD. > => > => I think, for supporting commmerce users of FreeBSD, must exists > => firm, which sell commerce version of FreeBSD, which must be identical > => to free version, + some customization and preinstalled software > => and provide aggressive marketing of FreeBSD. > > This brings up a question which I have thought of a time or two. > I had a fairly good level of success giving away some fbsd 2.2.1 > cd's (thanks, Jordan!) to companies around the Austin area. The > success was enough that I thought of retailing the os along with > system support. What would FreeBSD's "official" stand be if I > started charging for the os? Something like: > > The AEI FreeBSD Operating System: > $X,XXX loaded and installed > $X,XXX for 12 months of OS maintenance, including > os upgrades > $X,XXX for System Administration training > > I already did something like this with two clients in this area. > I gave them a copy of the 2.2.1 cd and my consulting company > billed them for setting it up. So far, I only had two people I > spoke with refuse to look into fbsd. Some moved from sco and > some from that "other" free un*x. For the rest (I only gave 16 > total), they were either educational, had NO computer system, or > moved from windoze (these are the ones I am happiest about). The > limiting factor was they had someone who knew something about > un*x already. I haven't really tried a brand new to un*x company > yet. > > But I digress... > > How would the FreeBSD Project feel if they found some rogue > company in Austin was charging for FreeBSD, installing, training, > and support? > > Lee Crites > > > From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 30 11:41:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA18985 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:41:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA18954; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:40:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00387; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:39:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199712301939.OAA00387@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: fbsd & commerce (Re: Informix on FreeBSD (maybe)) In-Reply-To: from Lee Crites at "Dec 30, 97 10:55:40 am" To: leec@adam.adonai.net (Lee Crites) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:39:58 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lee Crites said: > > But I digress... > > How would the FreeBSD Project feel if they found some rogue > company in Austin was charging for FreeBSD, installing, training, > and support? > I think it is great. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 30 12:12:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA21749 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:12:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA21737 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:12:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA25562 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:05:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:05:50 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Add-in Card? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following excerpts from messages posted to comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy note a Sun Sparcstation solution to running Microsoft programs--an add-in card that runs Windows 95 "natively." This suggests the possibility of a card that would allow one to install and run Windows (3.1, 95, NT, whatever...maybe even dos games)....perhaps in a X-Window. I really don't know what I'm talking about here but it sounds perhaps easier than emulation. The unix/ FreeBSD system needs to be able to access files on a primary FAT partition on the same hard drive.....but it can already do that, can't it? >> With >> 1) the lack of MS compatible office applications available on >> on UNIX platforms >> 2) the cost difference (although narrowing) between Intel based >> hardware and RISC based hardware >> 3) The impending Merced chip by HP and Intel >> 4) The ever increasing trend towards NT >> >> our management is seriously considering porting to NT. >I know that Sun Sparcstations have an add-in x86 board >for doing just this sort of thing [supporting Microsoft apps] >(I assume that >other Unix vendors do as well), as well as software >support for the occasional user. The x86 board runs Win95 >(you buy and install the stock CD) natively, and displays >in an X window (so you can also direct the Win95 screen >elsewhere if you require). Annelise From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 30 12:25:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA22576 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:25:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22302; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:23:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id OAA24047; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:23:06 -0600 (CST) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id OAA22875; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:23:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19971230142305.25787@mcs.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:23:05 -0600 From: Karl Denninger To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Lee Crites , jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fbsd & commerce (Re: Informix on FreeBSD (maybe)) References: <199712301939.OAA00387@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <199712301939.OAA00387@dyson.iquest.net>; from John S. Dyson on Tue, Dec 30, 1997 at 02:39:58PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Dec 30, 1997 at 02:39:58PM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > Lee Crites said: > > > > But I digress... > > > > How would the FreeBSD Project feel if they found some rogue > > company in Austin was charging for FreeBSD, installing, training, > > and support? > > > I think it is great. > > -- > John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, > dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, > jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. Hang 'em by their balls. Such free-market activities cannot possibly be allowed :-) -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | NEW! K56Flex support on ALL modems Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 30 12:57:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA25013 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:57:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA24992; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:57:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13873; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:54:57 GMT Message-ID: <34A82A3C.C900E108@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:54:53 +0000 From: Ruslan Shevchenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Denninger CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fbsd & commerce (Re: Informix on FreeBSD (maybe)) References: <199712301939.OAA00387@dyson.iquest.net> <19971230142305.25787@mcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Karl Denninger wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 1997 at 02:39:58PM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > ? Lee Crites said: > ? ? > ? ? But I digress... > ? ? > ? ? How would the FreeBSD Project feel if they found some rogue > ? ? company in Austin was charging for FreeBSD, installing, training, > ? ? and support? > ? ? > ? I think it is great. > ? > ? -- > ? John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, > ? dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, > ? jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. > > Hang 'em by their balls. Such free-market activities cannot possibly be > allowed :-) > 1. by whom ?2. why ? > -- > -- > Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin > http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service > | NEW! K56Flex support on ALL modems > Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS > Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 30 13:17:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA26950 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:17:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA26602 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:11:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA19371; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:11:25 -0800 (PST) To: "Lee Crites (AEI)" cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fbsd & commerce (Re: Informix on FreeBSD (maybe)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:55:40 CST." Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:11:24 -0800 Message-ID: <19367.883516284@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Redirected to -chat; too much cross-posting going on these days as it is! :)] > system support. What would FreeBSD's "official" stand be if I > started charging for the os? Something like: > > The AEI FreeBSD Operating System: > $X,XXX loaded and installed > $X,XXX for 12 months of OS maintenance, including > os upgrades > $X,XXX for System Administration training Sounds fine to me! As long as you're also willing to make sure the client understands that the base product is free and they're essentially paying for your time and services so we don't get even MORE people coming up at trade shows saying "So how come if it's *FREE*BSD, you charge money for it?!" [looking down at the $39.95 price tag of the CD set]. I hate that. :) > How would the FreeBSD Project feel if they found some rogue > company in Austin was charging for FreeBSD, installing, training, > and support? Sounds like a value-add to me! Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 30 19:14:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA24086 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:14:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca34-56.ix.netcom.com [207.93.143.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA24054; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:14:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id TAA26782; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:14:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:14:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712310314.TAA26782@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: leec@adam.adonai.net CC: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (leec@adam.adonai.net) Subject: Re: fbsd & commerce (Re: Informix on FreeBSD (maybe)) From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * How would the FreeBSD Project feel if they found some rogue * company in Austin was charging for FreeBSD, installing, training, * and support? I wish there were more companies doing that! Satoshi From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 30 19:50:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA26606 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:50:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.its.rpi.edu (dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu [128.113.161.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA26590 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:50:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu) Received: from localhost (dec@localhost) by phoenix.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00713; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:50:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:50:20 -0500 (EST) From: "David E. Cross" To: Satoshi Asami cc: leec@adam.adonai.net, jkh@time.cdrom.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fbsd & commerce (Re: Informix on FreeBSD (maybe)) In-Reply-To: <199712310314.TAA26782@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [i have removed hackers from the CC list] On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * How would the FreeBSD Project feel if they found some rogue > * company in Austin was charging for FreeBSD, installing, training, > * and support? > > I wish there were more companies doing that! > > Satoshi That is even perfectly legal under the GNU license... For a BSD licence, more power to them. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 30 20:59:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA00602 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:59:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from myoda.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [207.173.185.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA00584; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mallison@konnections.com) Received: from cospo.osis.gov (ip185-254.konnections.com [207.173.185.254]) by myoda.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id VAA09227; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:54:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34A9D19B.695A@konnections.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:01:15 -0700 From: Mike Allison Reply-To: mallison@konnections.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Lee Crites (AEI)" CC: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fbsd & commerce (Re: Informix on FreeBSD (maybe)) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What does RedHat do? I know they front ApplixWare as well, but they have a fairly interesting support system in place and retail presence. I see a lot of their products in bookstores. They go for strong commercial packaging unlike Walnut Creek. I know where to find Walnut Creek discs, but their usually placed with the shareware and other "non commercial", "non serious" products. -Mike Lee Crites (AEI) wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > > => That's why Linux have better commerse success then FreeBSD. > => > => I think, for supporting commmerce users of FreeBSD, must exists > => firm, which sell commerce version of FreeBSD, which must be identical > => to free version, + some customization and preinstalled software > => and provide aggressive marketing of FreeBSD. > > This brings up a question which I have thought of a time or two. > I had a fairly good level of success giving away some fbsd 2.2.1 > cd's (thanks, Jordan!) to companies around the Austin area. The > success was enough that I thought of retailing the os along with > system support. What would FreeBSD's "official" stand be if I > started charging for the os? Something like: > > The AEI FreeBSD Operating System: > $X,XXX loaded and installed > $X,XXX for 12 months of OS maintenance, including > os upgrades > $X,XXX for System Administration training > > I already did something like this with two clients in this area. > I gave them a copy of the 2.2.1 cd and my consulting company > billed them for setting it up. So far, I only had two people I > spoke with refuse to look into fbsd. Some moved from sco and > some from that "other" free un*x. For the rest (I only gave 16 > total), they were either educational, had NO computer system, or > moved from windoze (these are the ones I am happiest about). The > limiting factor was they had someone who knew something about > un*x already. I haven't really tried a brand new to un*x company > yet. > > But I digress... > > How would the FreeBSD Project feel if they found some rogue > company in Austin was charging for FreeBSD, installing, training, > and support? > > Lee Crites From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 30 22:10:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA04418 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:10:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA04392 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:10:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00424; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 01:10:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199712310610.BAA00424@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: fbsd & commerce (Re: Informix on FreeBSD (maybe)) In-Reply-To: from "David E. Cross" at "Dec 30, 97 10:50:20 pm" To: dec@phoenix.its.rpi.edu (David E. Cross) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 01:10:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: asami@cs.berkeley.edu, leec@adam.adonai.net, jkh@time.cdrom.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David E. Cross said: > [i have removed hackers from the CC list] > > On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Satoshi Asami wrote: > > > * How would the FreeBSD Project feel if they found some rogue > > * company in Austin was charging for FreeBSD, installing, training, > > * and support? > > > > I wish there were more companies doing that! > > > > Satoshi > > That is even perfectly legal under the GNU license... For a BSD licence, > more power to them. > This is only one aspect of the usage of FreeBSD. You can do GPL-type things with FreeBSD, and do other things also. The support of FreeBSD for vertical applications is akin to what companies might do entirely internally. I don't think that there would be *any* bad feelings for any use, either internally or for redistribution as long as the license terms are followed. For the "rogue company" above :-), there are few or no restrictions that will cause you problems. In other situations (like mine), certain pieces of the software/system are removed due to unacceptable license terms, cdrom space limitations, etc. Then that modified distribution, with new install tools, are placed upon a new CDROM. That is also well within valid usage. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 31 22:44:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA23932 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 22:44:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp10.portal.net.au [202.12.71.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA23928 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 22:44:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00964; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:08:09 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801010638.RAA00964@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Annelise Anderson cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Add-in Card? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:05:50 -0800." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:08:09 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > The following excerpts from messages posted to > comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy > note a Sun Sparcstation solution to running Microsoft programs--an add-in > card that runs Windows 95 "natively." This suggests the possibility > of a card that would allow one to install and run Windows (3.1, 95, NT, > whatever...maybe even dos games)....perhaps in a X-Window. Sure. They even exist to a degree. The card mentioned below is basically a complete PC on a card. It costs about as much as a complete PC too. > I really don't know what I'm talking > about here but it sounds perhaps easier than emulation. Much more expensive, and not really much easier to do from scratch. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ Remember, the race is long, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and in the end it's only with yourself. \\