From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 9 13:43:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11222 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 13:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11143; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 13:42:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA27319; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:40:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199702092140.OAA27319@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: hardware@freebsd.org cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: isdn cards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 14:40:54 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I know there are currently no drivers available for North American ISDN systems, but several people have proposed working on such a beast. I have a chance to pick up a couple cheaply and am wondering whether anyone has approached either motorola or cardinal about the availability of the necessary hardware documents for writting such a driver. I don't want to choose a card that I have to reverse engineer for a month b4 I can write any code! -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 9 14:57:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15861 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15699; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:55:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA27689; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 15:54:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199702092254.PAA27689@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: isdn cards In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 09 Feb 1997 14:40:54 MST." <199702092140.OAA27319@clem.systemsix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 15:54:38 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I previously said: > I know there are currently no drivers available for North American ISDN > systems, but several people have proposed working on such a beast. >I have a chance to pick up a couple cheaply and am wondering whether > ... I have just been kicking around the idea of using the motorola isdn bitsurfr pro ISA (ie, the internal card as oppossed to the external device) as one would the external device. Specifically the box says is uses an internal 16550 with the standard AT command set. So given that I have already setup a PPP connection on FreeBSD with kernel PPP and an external bitsurfr, wouldn't it also be possible to do the same with the ISA card version (although I suspect I would have no access to the fancy SOHO features till a true driver was written)? Has anyone tried this? -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 9 16:32:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22698 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:32:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from monorail.net-tel.co.uk (monorail.net-tel.co.uk [193.122.171.247]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22671; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:32:23 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk Received: (from root@localhost) by monorail.net-tel.co.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA23794; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 00:31:28 GMT Received: from "/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=GOLD 400/C=GB/" by net-tel.co.uk (Route400-RFCGate); Mon, 10 Feb 97 0:27:47 +0000 X400-Received: by mta "net-tel cambridge" in "/PRMD=net-tel/ADMD=gold 400/C=gb/"; Relayed; Mon, 10 Feb 97 0:27:47 +0000 X400-Received: by "/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/"; Relayed; Mon, 10 Feb 97 0:27:45 +0000 X400-MTS-Identifier: ["/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/";hst:14616-970210002745-5C5A] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) X400-Originator: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 0:27:45 +0000 X400-Content-Identifier: Re(2): isdn card Message-Id: <"be7-970210002711-4D07*/G=Andrew/S=Gordon/O=NET-TEL Computer Systems Ltd/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS> To: smp@csn.net Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199702092254.PAA27689@clem.systemsix.com> Subject: Re(2): isdn cards Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I previously said: > > I know there are currently no drivers available for North American ISDN > > systems, but several people have proposed working on such a beast. > >I have a chance to pick up a couple cheaply and am wondering whether > > I have just been kicking around the idea of using the motorola isdn > bitsurfr pro ISA (ie, the internal card as oppossed to the external > device) as one would the external device. Specifically the box says > is uses an internal 16550 with the standard AT command set. So given > that I have already setup a PPP connection on FreeBSD with kernel PPP > and an external bitsurfr, wouldn't it also be possible to do the same > with the ISA card version (although I suspect I would have no access to > the fancy SOHO features till a true driver was written)? > Has anyone tried this? Are you sure that the internal bitsurfr is actually any different to the external (in the sense that an internal modem is no different to an external one). On the one hand, if it really does emulate a 16550 faithfully, it will work straight away but give you all the limitations of an external TA; on the other hand, if it doesn't you will be straight into writing a device driver for undocumented hardware before you even get started. Looking at: http://www.mot.com/MIMS/ISG/Products/bitsurfr_pc/app-notes.html it suggests you are right about the 16550 - though it's PnP with the associated inconvenience - but gives no hint that it can do any more than be an external TA, emphasising its "modem like" character. Doing PPP this way (ie. encode once as async PPP then decode/re-encode as sync PPP in the TA) will inevitably give some additional latency compared to driving a real piece of hardware more directly. So, IMHO, if you want a quick getaway stick with the external TA (avoiding the PnP aggro), but if you are talking of a real development project, why not leverage the work that has been done for Euro-ISDN and go for one of the cards already supported under FreeBSD by the BISDN package? The hardware reverse-engineering has already been done, so the remaining work is to implement whichever D channel protocol your teleco has implemented. The two main cards supported by BISDN are the Teles BRI/16.3 and the AVM A1. Teles certainly sell a USA-specific card "BRI/U", which is just the 16.3 with an on-board NT1 ("U" interface to "S" interface convertor - with Euro-ISDN, the Teleco provides the NT1). Details are at the Teles USA web site http://teles.winterlan.net/ (their 'home' site is http://www.teles.de/). AVM (http://www.avm.de) also apparently do a USA version of their A1 card, as their web page offers drivers for it, but I can't find any more details. The Teles and AVM cards are almost identical, giving you raw access to the B and D channels (with HDLC being done by the card where needed, and with deeper FIFOs than a 16550) and so letting you do anything that the line itself can do (voice calls, two simultaneous calls to different destinations etc. which are hard to do with an interface that thinks its a modem). For more info about the hardware, see http://www.arg1.demon.co.uk/avm.html From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 9 17:07:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA25577 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 17:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25527; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 17:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA28311; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 18:04:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199702100104.SAA28311@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re(2): isdn cards In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Feb 1997 00:27:45 GMT." <"be7-970210002711-4D07*/G=Andrew/S=Gordon/O=NET-TEL Computer Systems Ltd/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 18:04:05 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > > I have just been kicking around the idea of using the motorola isdn > > bitsurfr pro ISA (ie, the internal card as oppossed to the external > > ... > > Has anyone tried this? > ... > So, IMHO, if you want a quick getaway stick with the external TA > (avoiding the PnP aggro), but if you are talking of a real development > project, why not leverage the work that has been done for Euro-ISDN > and go for one of the cards already supported under FreeBSD by > the BISDN package? The hardware reverse-engineering has already been done, > so the remaining work is to implement whichever D channel protocol > your teleco has implemented. > > The two main cards supported by BISDN are the Teles BRI/16.3 and the > AVM A1. Teles certainly sell a USA-specific card "BRI/U", which > is just the 16.3 with an on-board NT1 ("U" interface to "S" interface > convertor - with Euro-ISDN, the Teleco provides the NT1). > Details are at the Teles USA web site http://teles.winterlan.net/ > (their 'home' site is http://www.teles.de/). AVM (http://www.avm.de) > also apparently do a USA version of their A1 card, as their web page > offers drivers for it, but I can't find any more details. I checked out these sites and see teles offering the card for $159US, which is considerably better than the bitsurfr: http://teles.winterlan.net/teles.www/news.htm#special Anyone care to speculate exactly how much work it would be to start with the existing BISDN driver and one of these cards and get to the point of having a working ISDN for FreeBSD solution? Where could one find the protocal specs for "the D channel"? -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzHe7tEAAAEEAM274wAEEdP+grIrV6UtBt54FB5ufifFRA5ujzflrvlF8aoE 04it5BsUPFi3jJLfvOQeydbegexspPXL6kUejYt2OeptHuroIVW5+y2M2naTwqtX WVGeBP6s2q/fPPAS+g+sNZCpVBTbuinKa/C4Q6HJ++M9AyzIq5EuvO0a8Rr9AAUR tBlTdGV2ZSBQYXNzZSA8c21wQGNzbi5uZXQ+ =ds99 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 9 20:19:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA06226 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06204; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:19:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA27445 ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:19:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id UAA19145; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma019143; Sun Feb 9 20:17:06 1997 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id UAA00491; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:17:06 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199702100417.UAA00491@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Re(2): isdn cards In-Reply-To: <"be7-970210002711-4D07*/G=Andrew/S=Gordon/O=NET-TEL Computer from "Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk" at "Feb 10, 97 00:27:45 am" To: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:17:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: smp@csn.net, hardware@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I have just been kicking around the idea of using the motorola isdn > > bitsurfr pro ISA (ie, the internal card as oppossed to the external > > device) as one would the external device. Specifically the box says > > is uses an internal 16550 with the standard AT command set. So given > > that I have already setup a PPP connection on FreeBSD with kernel PPP > > and an external bitsurfr, wouldn't it also be possible to do the same > > with the ISA card version (although I suspect I would have no access to > > the fancy SOHO features till a true driver was written)? > > Has anyone tried this? > > Are you sure that the internal bitsurfr is actually any different to > the external (in the sense that an internal modem is no different > to an external one). On the one hand, if it really does emulate > a 16550 faithfully, it will work straight away but give you all > the limitations of an external TA; on the other hand, if it doesn't > you will be straight into writing a device driver for undocumented > hardware before you even get started. It's both... the internal bitsurfr has a COM port emulation as well as a higher speed (ie., > 115200 bps) proprietary interface. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 10 00:06:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA17279 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 00:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.49.17.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA17260; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 00:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de by hcshh.hcs.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0vtqkF-000TKNC; Mon, 10 Feb 97 09:05 MET Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0vtqkA-0000EWC; Mon, 10 Feb 97 09:05 MET Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: Re(2): isdn cards To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:05:42 +0100 (MET) Cc: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199702100104.SAA28311@clem.systemsix.com> from "Steve Passe" at "Feb 9, 97 06:04:05 pm" Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From the keyboard of Steve Passe: > Anyone care to speculate exactly how much work it would be to start > with the existing BISDN driver and one of these cards and get to the > point of having a working ISDN for FreeBSD solution? In case you want to buy a Teles or AVM and use BISDN as a starting point, you will have to add support for the North American Layer 3 protocol on the D channel. Layer 1 and 2 should be the same as far as i know, but Layer 3 seems to be special. BISDN already supports 2 of those protocols, the old german-special 1TR6 and the very common DSS1 or "Euro-ISDN" protocol. > Where could one find the protocal specs for "the D channel"? I have no idea, ask your ISDN/Telephone company. For DSS1 the relevant standards are I.430 (Layer 1), Q.920/Q.921 (Layer 2) and Q.930/Q.931/Q.932 (Layer 3). They are sold by the ITU (www.itu.ch) but can also be found for much less money on the Infomagic "Standards CDROM". hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Hamburg, Europe In their infinite wisdom, the folks at HP have decided that mere mortals such as you and I don't need to know what the kernel's proc structure looks like. (William LeFebvre, top 3.4 README, HP-UX 10.10) From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 10 01:15:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA20648 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 01:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-4-168.mu.de.ibm.net [139.92.4.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20618; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 01:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA07188; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 16:57:31 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199702081557.QAA07188@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld) cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 1542A board From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. X-Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Tel: +49.89.268616 X-Fax: +49.89.2608126 X-ISDN: +49.89.26023276 X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Feb 1997 01:05:49 +0100." Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 16:57:29 +0100 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld) > > I just got hold of an Adaptec 1542A (assy 416006 03 rev D), which > is a full length ISA SCSI controller. A few questions: > > - is it recognized as any other 1542 ? I have one, works fine, just made world with it. > - does anyone have docs on this thingy (lots of jumpers, no explanations...) i have paper docs, but no scanner. I'll private mail you what I have on line. > From: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) > Jvrg has one in his scratch box I believe. There's about a dozen of us actually, most of these: fabio@cesar.unicamp.br, fty@mcnc.org, gcrutchr@nightflight.com, j@uriah.heep.sax.de, jc@irbs.com, julian@freebsd.org, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, lehey.pad@sni.de, mrm@Sceard.com, nikm@ixa.net, tomppa@fidata.fi, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, Scott Kelly , jhs@freebsd.org From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" > I have docs for 1542B, I think, if that is a help. All 1542s work with > the aha code, I believe. I have an A a B and a C ... they all work :-) Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 10 01:59:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA22502 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 01:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA22497 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 01:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA07928; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:59:14 +1000 Received: by ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.7.5/DEVETIR-E0.3a) id TAA24699; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:54:56 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:54:56 +1000 (EST) From: Stephen McKay Message-Id: <199702100954.TAA24699@ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: 64 MB ECC or 128 MB non ECC ? X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) predicts: >} * From: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) >} >} * One thing to consider is that you'll suffer a 10-15% speed penalty with ECC >} * RAM. (number from some -hardware mails in the past). >} >} To clarify: 10-15% penalty on maximum memory bandwidth. (E.g., 70MB/s >} vs. 64MB/s on TritonII with 66MHz bus and P5-133.) >} >} This is NOT the same as application speed penalty, which obviously >} varies depending on how memory-intensive it is. > >That's kinda what I thought. So closer to 1%. Indeed, I've just waded into the wake left after the bleeding edge, and bought a Rhino-9 MB with 512kb cache, 32Mb of 60ns FPM parity ram, Hercules Trio64V+ based video card, and borrowed (yes, some people are really gullible!) a Pentium 120. I've been experimenting with the Adaptec 1542B and Wren 6 SCSI disk from my old toy box, and under FreeBSD 2.1 building a kernel with ECC enabled uses about 1% more cpu time than building a kernel with just PARITY enabled. I've done 20 runs, all with fresh reboot, compile, compare, delete, halt. (user+system time is just short of real time, so the slow disk isn't hurting too much.) The variation in individual runs was about 1% and I'm still a little concerned that maybe the ECC BIOS setting isn't doing anything at all. Cynical old me. So, my next set of tests will be with L1 and L2 cache disabled to highlight the speed difference. Much of this difference will be mopped up by the write merge buffers on the TXC, but it should still be bigger than 1%. Final proof that the ECC setting does anything other than slow my machine down will have to wait until I work out how to reprogram the TXC to suddenly switch from PARITY to ECC. This should immediately cause an ECC failure. Stephen. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 10 09:38:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13804 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:38:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13797 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:37:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.7.6/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id LAA03762 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:37:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from po_box.cig.mot.com (po_box.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.5]) by mothost.mot.com (8.7.6/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with SMTP id LAA24453 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:37:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199702101738.MAA05102@po_box.cig.mot.com> Received: (west@localhost) by osprey.cig.mot.com (8.6.11/SCERG-1.12-MPC2) id RAA15744 for hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:37:12 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:37:12 GMT From: Jeffrey West X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe west@cig.mot.com -- ******************************************************************** * Jeffrey West email: west@cig.mot.com * * Motorola Inc. phone: 847-435-9675 * * Cellular Infrastructure Group fax: 847-632-6658 * * Information Technology Services maildrop: IL27 3B4 * * 1501 W.Shure Drive * * Arlington Heights, Il 60004 USA * ******************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 10 13:52:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27645 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebee.tu-graz.ac.at (root@freebee.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.193.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA27608; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from dwarf.tu-graz.ac.at (isdn052.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.240.52]) by freebee.tu-graz.ac.at (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA08696; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:52:06 +0100 Received: (from rmike@localhost) by dwarf.tu-graz.ac.at (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA00284; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:50:34 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:50:34 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Ranner Reply-To: rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec 2920 PCI driver (TMC18c30) - need persons to test! Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there! This afternoon I have written the necessary code to get the Adaptec 2920 running under FreeBSD! It is based on parts of the latest PAO release and it's developed under FreeBSD 2.1.5. It was only necessary to write the PCI stuff! Now I need some persons to test the driver more accurate. Regards, /\/\ike /\/\ichael Ranner - rmike@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at http://www.sbox.tu.graz.ac.at/home/rmike/ --- end of message - non-sense follows --- ________ .' `. / \ |_____ _____| (_____><_____) \ /\ / \ oo / Grey-type ASCII encounter ... \ __ / `----' From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 10 13:55:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27850 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from iafnl.es.iaf.nl (uucp@iafnl.es.iaf.nl [195.108.17.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA27842 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA03584 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hardware@freebsd.org); Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:54:37 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA02806; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:53:45 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199702102153.WAA02806@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: DEC TZ87 To: ks@itp.ac.ru (Sergey S. Kosyakov) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:53:44 +0100 (MET) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Sergey S. Kosyakov" at Feb 7, 97 02:12:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Sergey S. Kosyakov wrote... > > On 04-Feb-97 Wilko Bulte wrote: > >Hi > > > >Any luck with your TZ87? Have you tried the dlt_info script > >I posted some time ago (to -scsi I think, maybe -hackers). > > > > After the type fell: > > ------ Read errors log page ------ > > Corrected errors without substantial delay: 0 > Corrected errors with possible delay : 0 > Total errors : 0 > Total errors corrected : 0 > Total times correction algorithm processed: 0 > > ------ End of read errors log page ------ > > ------ Write errors log page ------ > > Corrected errors without substantial delay: 0 > Corrected errors with possible delay : 0 > Total errors : 362 > Total errors corrected : 362 > Total times correction algorithm processed: 0 I tried tarring a bit to my TZ87, giving the following results: ------ Write errors log page ------ Corrected errors without substantial delay: 0 Corrected errors with possible delay : 0 Total errors : 11 Total errors corrected : 11 Total times correction algorithm processed: 0 ------ End of write errors log page ------ ------ Compression log page ------ Read compression ratio (* 100 %) : 0 Write compression ratio (* 100 %) : 100 Total host Mbytes reads : 0 Total host kbytes read residual : 0 On tape Mbytes read : 0 On tape kbytes read residual : 0 Host requested Mbytes written : 1169 Host requested kbytes written residual : 854016 On tape Mbytes written : 1169 On tape kbytes written residual : 0 ------ End of compression log page ------ The error rate is quite different as you can see. I'm studying the firmware spec to see if I can get more info from the drive. In fact I am sure it can be done, it's just that I have to find out how to get a 'scsi' script to do it. In the meantime you might also be interested in trying 'DLTTOOLS' from the Quantum website. You should be able to test the drive a bit more. (It's a DOS tool, sorry 'bout that) Wilko _ ____________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl - Arnhem, The Netherlands |/|/ / / /( (_) Do, or do not. There is no 'try' - Yoda -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 10 22:46:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA03174 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03148; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA29104; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:45:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma029102; Mon Feb 10 22:45:10 1997 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA09047; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:45:02 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199702110645.WAA09047@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Re(2): isdn cards In-Reply-To: from Hellmuth Michaelis at "Feb 10, 97 09:05:42 am" To: hm@hcs.de Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:45:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: smp@csn.net, Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk, hardware@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Where could one find the protocal specs for "the D channel"? > > I have no idea, ask your ISDN/Telephone company. For DSS1 the relevant > standards are I.430 (Layer 1), Q.920/Q.921 (Layer 2) and Q.930/Q.931/Q.932 > (Layer 3). They are sold by the ITU (www.itu.ch) but can also be found > for much less money on the Infomagic "Standards CDROM". The layer 3 protocol is where it's all at.. and the "right" protocol differs depending on who made the switch (NorTel, AT&T, Siemens..) The NI-1 "National ISDN 1" is supposed to be a "standard" that makes the switch type a non-issue, and it almost does... that's the beauty of ISDN -- there are so many to choose from... in the US, anyway. There are companies that sell the ISDN protocol stack for tens of thousands of dollars (more the reason to write a free version :-) The NI-1 spec is available from Bellcore. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 11 06:38:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA22877 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 06:38:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from icarus.cc.uic.edu (ICARUS-FDDI.CC.UIC.EDU [128.248.100.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22872 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 06:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (rory@localhost) by icarus.cc.uic.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id IAA09443 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:39:27 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: icarus.cc.uic.edu: rory owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:39:26 -0600 (CST) From: Rory Imua Lampert X-Sender: rory@icarus.cc.uic.edu To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: TEAC 4x CD-ROM support? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, several months ago, I posted inquiring about support for the TEAC CD55-A cdrom. Frank Durda replied saying he was working on it, but I never heard anything else since. Can someone let me know if there is completed or beta driver for it? -Rory Lampert rory@uic.edu From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 11 06:47:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA23235 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 06:47:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from icarus.cc.uic.edu (ICARUS-FDDI.CC.UIC.EDU [128.248.100.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA23228 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 06:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (rory@localhost) by icarus.cc.uic.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id IAA11853 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:49:04 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: icarus.cc.uic.edu: rory owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:49:04 -0600 (CST) From: Rory Imua Lampert X-Sender: rory@icarus.cc.uic.edu To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: QIC-3020 TR-3 support in floppy tapes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I've been looking at the source for the floppy tape driver to figure out if I could hack it to support my IOmega Ditto 3200. It seems as though I only need to add an entry in the ftgtbl structure for QIC-3020 and/or TR-3 tapes. Has anyone done this already? If not, can anyone tell me the relevance of g_lendesc[16] (length text description) and how it relate to the the rest of the values with-in the structure? I mailed one of the manufacturers for the specs on their TR-3 (QIC-3020) tapes, they didn't provide the segments per track or blocks per track. So if anyone knows those? ;> Thanks! -Rory Lampert rory@uic.edu From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 11 11:48:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13744 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from agisgate.agis.net (agisgate.agis.net [205.137.48.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13613; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from radio (radio.agis.net [205.137.48.54]) by agisgate.agis.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04803; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:47:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970211144703.009967e0@agisgate.agis.net> X-Sender: markl@agisgate.agis.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:47:03 -0500 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Mark E Larson Subject: DEC 21140-AC chipset incompatibility Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hey There! I have recently recieved new SMC 10/100 cards that contain the DEC 21140-AC chips instead of the DEC 21140-AB chips. They are reconized by FreeBSD but do NOT correctly configure, and therefore do not transport any data. I am currently running 2.1.5 but I have tried the 2.2 boot-flp and the driver on there does not work either. Does anyone have any suggestions or fixes for this. I am running short on AB chips and need to use the cards. Thanx Mark E Larson Internet Engineer From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 11 14:58:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA26907 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:58:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from arachnid.microweb.com (arachnid.microweb.com [206.170.40.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA26902 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:58:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from isdn136.microweb.com by arachnid.microweb.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Jun95-1229PM) id AA24442; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:03:16 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970211145720.006a0544@mail.microweb.com> X-Sender: daz@mail.microweb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:57:25 -0800 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: "David A. Zimmerman" Subject: Problems with 3COM509 Etherlink III on FreeBSD 2.1.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I'm trying to set up my first FreeBSD system (release 2.1.6) on a 486/33 and have run into problems establishing a network connection. In the kernel configuration, I have disabled all devices that conflict with my 3COM509 Etherlink III which is set up for IRQ 5 / 300, and the kernel seems to be gettting built without error. When I boot the system, however, I am unable to establish a connection with any other machines, nor can other machines ping this one. The connection light on the hub does not show a connection despite the fact that the cable and network port have been tested using another machine and work fine. I have also successfully connected this machine to the network using a DOS client on the DOS partition. I have also tried to get NE1000 and SMC 3016TP cards to work with similar results. I am not a UNIX expert by an strech but have had a good deal of experience and feel that I have tried just about everything I can think of over the last two weeks. Would anyone be kind enough to offer any insight into a few other things I might try to get this machine on the Net? What am I missing? How can I diagnose this problem? Thanks for your time, David From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 11 20:51:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA26022 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26010 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pahtoh.cwu.edu (root@pahtoh.cwu.edu [198.104.65.27]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA06243 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:32:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by pahtoh.cwu.edu (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA28024; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:32:32 -0800 Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA17206; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:32:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:32:31 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: Mark E Larson cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DEC 21140-AC chipset incompatibility In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970211144703.009967e0@agisgate.agis.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can you try the 3.0-SNAP boot floppy? The DE500-aa works and has a 21140-AC chipset... The 3.0 snapshot is probably stable enough for doing some real work (although I would wait for the Lite2 merge to quiet down a bit before getting up-to-the-minute -current. -Chris On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, Mark E Larson wrote: > Hey There! > > I have recently recieved new SMC 10/100 cards that contain the DEC 21140-AC > chips instead of the DEC 21140-AB chips. They are reconized by FreeBSD but > do NOT correctly configure, and therefore do not transport any data. > > I am currently running 2.1.5 but I have tried the 2.2 boot-flp and the > driver on there does not work either. > > Does anyone have any suggestions or fixes for this. I am running short on > AB chips and need to use the cards. > > Thanx > > > > Mark E Larson > Internet Engineer > From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 11 23:05:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA10501 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarkhil.dialup.aha.ru (p216-n130.dip.aha.ru [194.135.130.216]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10483 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:05:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (tarkhil@localhost) by tarkhil.dialup.aha.ru (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00230 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:02:12 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199702120702.KAA00230@tarkhil.dialup.aha.ru> X-Authentication-Warning: tarkhil.dialup.aha.ru: tarkhil@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Problems with FT-60 Reply-To: tarkhil@aha.ru Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:02:11 +0300 From: Alex Povolotsky Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! I've installed FT-60, and it worked fine. After replacing HDD and some minor changes in kernel, it works VERY strangely. It inserts a block of zeros every several hundred bytes when reading from tape. I guess that power supply of 200 Wt can be too weak for FT and Quantum Fireball, bu what else can be wrong? Alex. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 12 00:15:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA15032 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 00:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA15027 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 00:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA04861 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:14:59 +1000 Received: by ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.7.5/DEVETIR-E0.3a) id SAA25550; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:16:45 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:16:45 +1000 (EST) From: Stephen McKay Message-Id: <199702120816.SAA25550@ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org cc: Stephen McKay Subject: Re: 64 MB ECC or 128 MB non ECC ? X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I wrote: >The variation in individual runs was about 1% and I'm still a little >concerned that maybe the ECC BIOS setting isn't doing anything at all. >Cynical old me. So, my next set of tests will be with L1 and L2 cache >disabled to highlight the speed difference. Much of this difference will >be mopped up by the write merge buffers on the TXC, but it should still >be bigger than 1%. Well, I'm glad I've got some cache to enable since without cache the kernel compile takes 15 times as long. Yes, my ECC, nocache test took 97 minutes! Yikes! The final result is that ECC is 12% slower than PARITY with no cache. (user+sys time only). This is in agreement with those people who predicted 10-15% main memory slow down, but, as noted above, reduces to 1% with both caches enabled. 1% is no pain at all. >Final proof that the ECC setting does anything other than slow my machine >down will have to wait until I work out how to reprogram the TXC to suddenly >switch from PARITY to ECC. This should immediately cause an ECC failure. I've got the tech doc from Intel now, so I'll be able to try this soon. Later, Stephen. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 12 02:31:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA20857 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 02:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20852 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 02:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id EAA08307; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 04:30:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from wck-ca7-04.ix.netcom.com(204.31.231.36) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma008305; Wed Feb 12 04:30:15 1997 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id CAA29646; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 02:30:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 02:30:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702121030.CAA29646@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, syssgm@devetir.qld.gov.au In-reply-to: <199702120816.SAA25550@ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au> (message from Stephen McKay on Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:16:45 +1000 (EST)) Subject: Re: 64 MB ECC or 128 MB non ECC ? From: asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Well, I'm glad I've got some cache to enable since without cache the kernel * compile takes 15 times as long. Yes, my ECC, nocache test took 97 minutes! * Yikes! The final result is that ECC is 12% slower than PARITY with no cache. * (user+sys time only). This is in agreement with those people who predicted * 10-15% main memory slow down, but, as noted above, reduces to 1% with both Thanks for verifying it. * caches enabled. 1% is no pain at all. Well that depends, if you are X-user-switch-around-between-20-windows type of guy, you can actually feel the 10% slowdown as you use the machine. I switched back to parity because I couldn't stand it. ;) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 12 07:04:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02600 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 07:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from wave.campus.luth.se (peterb@wave.campus.luth.se [130.240.193.79]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02589 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 07:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from peterb@localhost) by wave.campus.luth.se (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA00335 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:57:54 GMT From: PB Message-Id: <199702121557.PAA00335@wave.campus.luth.se> Subject: GUS MAX To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 15:57:53 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I'm trying to get a GUS MAX to record, however it seems not to work out for me.. I tried all dma channels availble. Playback works fine(44,1kHz 16bit Stereo). Can anyone give me some advice ..? Hardware: CPU: AMD P133 RAM: 16 MB EDO MB: QDI 430VX (Intel chipset) Sound: GUS MAX ISA16 /Peter Email: peterb@wave.campus.luth.se From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 12 09:53:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14484 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:53:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from TheWall.navcanada.ca (nc.navcanada.ca [207.216.54.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14465 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:53:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatewaysrv.navcanada.ca (gatewaysrv.navcanada.ca [172.20.7.142]) by TheWall with SMTP (DuhMail/3.0) id MAA27510; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:52:18 -0500 Received: by gatewaysrv.navcanada.ca with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BC18E3.A43152F0@gatewaysrv.navcanada.ca>; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:52:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Lu, Mark" To: "'SMTP: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG'" Cc: "'SMTP: mcgovern@spoon.beta.com'" Subject: Boca atio66 6 port serial card config;was Re: Wanted best serial board 8-16 port Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:51:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk can someone help me out and give a sample kernel recompile config example to configure a Boca atio66 with shared irq. the man sio was a little confusing and i wasn't sure if this card is AST compatible? thanx. >I have used the Boca ATIO66 (6 port) cards with incredible success. Based >on the cards I've seen, you can get 2 6 port cards per machine in shared >interrupt mode. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 12 13:53:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28405 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:53:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from interlock.wdni.com (interlock.wdni.com [199.221.59.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA28399 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by interlock.wdni.com id AA29376 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org); Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:51:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199702122151.AA29376@interlock.wdni.com> Received: by interlock.wdni.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:51:46 -0800 From: Steven Plite Subject: Re: Boca atio66 6 port serial card config;was Re: Wanted best serial board 8-16 port To: LuMark@NAVCANADA.CA (Lu Mark) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:46:07 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Lu, Mark" at Feb 12, 97 12:51:00 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I believe it was Lu, Mark who once wrote: > >> I have used the Boca ATIO66 (6 port) cards with incredible success. Based >> on the cards I've seen, you can get 2 6 port cards per machine in shared >> interrupt mode. They are nice little cards, but be sure to buy their cables, unless you have a supply of ten-pin RJ-45 connectors (I didn't. :) I also found that their cables come two to a box (which isn't mentioned on their Web page) so upon receiving my six boxes of cables, I found I had twice as many as I need. C'est la vie. > can someone help me out and give a sample kernel recompile config > example > to configure a Boca atio66 with shared irq. > > the man sio was a little confusing and i wasn't sure if this card is AST > compatible? > > thanx. This is what I use (I have on-board ports at sio0 and sio1, so I start numbering at 2): # devices for Boca 6-port board device sio2 at isa? port "0x220" tty flags 0x785 device sio3 at isa? port "0x228" tty flags 0x785 device sio4 at isa? port "0x240" tty flags 0x785 device sio5 at isa? port "0x248" tty flags 0x785 device sio6 at isa? port "0x260" tty flags 0x785 device sio7 at isa? port "0x268" tty flags 0x785 irq 5 vector siointr options COM_MULTIPORT #code for some cards with shared IRQs _______________________________________________________________________________ Steven Plite Weyerhaeuser Company From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 12 20:08:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16344 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lugh.kerris.com (lugh.kerris.com [205.150.35.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA16334 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mkerr@localhost) by lugh.kerris.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA11875; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:09:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:09:50 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Kerr To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: HD Problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anybody have any idea what the following error messages can be attributed to, and/or what I can do to fix the problem? wd0s2f: soft error reading fsbn 1246379 of 1246256-1246383 (wd0s2 bn 1461547; cn 362 tn 31 sn 10)wd0: status 58 error 40 wd0s2f: hard error reading fsbn 1247051 of 1247024-1247151 (wd0s2 bn 1462219; cn 362 tn 41 sn 52)wd0: status 59 error 40 wd0s2f: hard error reading fsbn 1247051 of 1247040-1247055 (wd0s2 bn 1462219; cn 362 tn 41 sn 52)wd0: status 59 error 40 Mike. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mike Kerr | http://www.net/~mkerr Kerr Information Systems | http://www.kerris.com/ mkerr@kerris.com | Web Guy, etc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 12 20:13:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16559 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.infinetconsulting.com (earth.infinetconsulting.com [207.23.43.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16535; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenc@localhost) by earth.infinetconsulting.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) id UAA02243; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:24:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:24:49 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Chua To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-install@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec AHA1520A help needed. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've this second hand AHA1520A card with absolutely no manuals and no software. The software I can get from adaptec's web site. But I need to know the jumper settings though. Does anyone have a manual lying around that I can get? Much thanks in advance. Cheers. Len. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 12 20:39:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA17307 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17300 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id PAA17575; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:09:33 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199702130439.PAA17575@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: HD Problems In-Reply-To: from Mike Kerr at "Feb 12, 97 11:09:50 pm" To: mkerr@kerris.com (Mike Kerr) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:09:32 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mike Kerr stands accused of saying: > > Anybody have any idea what the following error messages can be attributed > to, and/or what I can do to fix the problem? > > wd0s2f: soft error reading fsbn 1246379 of 1246256-1246383 (wd0s2 bn > 1461547; cn 362 tn 31 sn 10)wd0: status 58 error 40 > wd0s2f: hard error reading fsbn 1247051 of 1247024-1247151 (wd0s2 bn > 1462219; cn 362 tn 41 sn 52)wd0: status 59 error > 40 > wd0s2f: hard error reading fsbn 1247051 of 1247040-1247055 (wd0s2 bn > 1462219; cn 362 tn 41 sn 52)wd0: status 59 error > 40 Physical media errors. Try badsect(8) to start with; the 'fsbn' values above are the sector numbers that it wants. > Mike Kerr | http://www.net/~mkerr -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 12 21:04:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA18178 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from monk.via.net (monk.via.net [140.174.204.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA18172 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:04:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by monk.via.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id UAA19984 for hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:56:24 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:56:24 -0800 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199702130456.UAA19984@monk.via.net> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Multiport Ethernet cards? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where I can get a 4 or 6 port ethernet card? If not, do you think there's enough interest in getting one designed? From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 12 21:05:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA18249 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from monk.via.net (monk.via.net [140.174.204.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA18242 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by monk.via.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id UAA19986 for hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:57:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:57:29 -0800 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199702130457.UAA19986@monk.via.net> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Is FreeBSD running on Digital Ultra II laptop? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've seen BSDi. What about FreeBSD? -joe From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 12 21:09:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA18422 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:09:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from cold.org (cold.org [206.81.134.103]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18416 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (brandon@localhost) by cold.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id WAA00958; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:09:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:09:29 -0700 (MST) From: Brandon Gillespie To: Mike Kerr cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HD Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anybody have any idea what the following error messages can be attributed > to, and/or what I can do to fix the problem? > > wd0s2f: soft error reading fsbn 1246379 of 1246256-1246383 (wd0s2 bn > 1461547; cn 362 tn 31 sn 10)wd0: status 58 error 40 > wd0s2f: hard error reading fsbn 1247051 of 1247024-1247151 (wd0s2 bn > 1462219; cn 362 tn 41 sn 52)wd0: status 59 error > 40 > wd0s2f: hard error reading fsbn 1247051 of 1247040-1247055 (wd0s2 bn > 1462219; cn 362 tn 41 sn 52)wd0: status 59 error > 40 Its dead Jim. Seriously tho, your hard drive is having hardware problems. This can be anything from grown bad sectors to a servo malfunction. Contact the drive manufacturer, they usually have some diagnostic software you can run to tell for sure (for instance, if its a western digital drive you can run WDDIAG which is available on their web site, and it'll give you all of the gritty details--they also have software to fix grown sector errors). -Brandon Gillespie From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 12 21:57:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA20074 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20064 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:57:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from bitch.Melmac.org (ulf@Bitch.Melmac.org [207.90.181.42]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.5/20.74.3.14) with ESMTP id VAA03394; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by bitch.Melmac.org (8.8.5/8.7.6) id VAA27538; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:57:26 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199702130557.VAA27538@bitch.Melmac.org> Subject: Re: Multiport Ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: <199702130456.UAA19984@monk.via.net> from Joe McGuckin at "Feb 12, 97 08:56:24 pm" To: joe@via.net (Joe McGuckin) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:57:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Does anyone know where I can get a 4 or 6 port ethernet card? > > If not, do you think there's enough interest in getting one designed? > http://www.znyx.com http://www.adaptec.com (They bougth Cogent) Ulf. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 12 23:51:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA24821 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from madrone.CS.Berkeley.EDU (madrone.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.36.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24816 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from madrone.cs.berkeley.edu (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by madrone.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.3/8.8.2) with ESMTP id XAA01365 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:51:35 -0800 (PST) From: William Maddox Message-Id: <199702130751.XAA01365@madrone.CS.Berkeley.EDU> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Pentium vs. Pentium Pro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:51:34 -0800 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm putting together another FreeBSD system and am trying to determine whether a Pentium Pro is worth the extra expense.. I would appreciate any pointers to meaningful benchmarks on the relative performance of the Pentium 133 and Pentium 166 vs. the Pentium Pro 200 and Pentium Pro 180 under FreeBSD. The system will be used primarily for program development, i.e., lots of compiling. I'd also be interested in any comments, good or bad, on the Intel Venus and the ASUS P/I-XP6NP5, as well as the vendors Aberdeen and NetExpress. Thanks, William Maddox maddox@cs.berkeley.edu From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 00:36:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA26778 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26773 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:36:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id AAA07350; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA16651; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:36:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702130836.AAA16651@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: William Maddox cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium vs. Pentium Pro In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 12 Feb 97 23:51:34 -0800. <199702130751.XAA01365@madrone.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:36:32 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I'm putting together another FreeBSD system and am trying to determine >whether a Pentium Pro is worth the extra expense.. I would appreciate >any pointers to meaningful benchmarks on the relative performance of >the Pentium 133 and Pentium 166 vs. the Pentium Pro 200 and Pentium >Pro 180 under FreeBSD. The system will be used primarily for program >development, i.e., lots of compiling. My experience, doing benchmarks like make worlds, and large software builds, is that a P6 200/256K is roughly twice as fast as a P5 133MHz. (When doing comparisons, remember that a P5 200 is NOT 200/133 faster than a P5 133, due to bus saturation.) People never seem to listen, or never seem to learn. DON'T BUY 150's AND 180's. A 180MHz part is slower than a 166MHz part (either P5 or P6), in almost all normal usage. Similarly, a 150 will usually be slower than a 133. A P6 166MHz with 512K cache will especially be faster than a P6 180 with 256K cache. Remember, chips that run at even multiples of 30 only run their memory bus at 60MHz, and their PCI bus at 30MHz. Chips that are multiples of ~33 run their memory bus at ~67MHz, and their PCI bus at ~33MHz. >I'd also be interested in any comments, good or bad, on the Intel >Venus and the ASUS P/I-XP6NP5, as well as the vendors Aberdeen and >NetExpress. I own an Asus P6NP5 (P6 Natoma), and a P55NP4 (P5 Triton-1). Both have always worked flawlessly, and rock-solid, as expected. My only complaint with Asus is they don't make their boards expandable enough (i. e. they try to make them too compact, cutting down on slots and SIMM sockets). I'd prefer a full-size board, myself. However, there are no faults to find with the reliability and performance. DON'T BUY FROM Aberdeen. They are really nice folks, and well meaning, and all. But if you have any problem at all, it takes at least two weeks for them to turn around the simplest RMA. For example, you order a motherboard, it doesn't work, you spend an hour with a tech explaining why it doesn't work, and convincing him that you know what you're talking about, he says send it in. You start calling them over a week later, asking them where your board is. Finally, you receive it two to three weeks after you sent it in. Repeat two or three times if you were dumb enough to let them sell you a SuperMicro board. Never tried NetExpress. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 01:23:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA29660 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 01:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29650 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 01:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id UAA13436; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:28:31 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:28:30 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: William Maddox , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium vs. Pentium Pro In-Reply-To: <199702130836.AAA16651@MindBender.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > >I'm putting together another FreeBSD system and am trying to determine > >whether a Pentium Pro is worth the extra expense.. I would appreciate > >any pointers to meaningful benchmarks on the relative performance of > >the Pentium 133 and Pentium 166 vs. the Pentium Pro 200 and Pentium > >Pro 180 under FreeBSD. The system will be used primarily for program > >development, i.e., lots of compiling. > > My experience, doing benchmarks like make worlds, and large software > builds, is that a P6 200/256K is roughly twice as fast as a P5 133MHz. > (When doing comparisons, remember that a P5 200 is NOT 200/133 faster > than a P5 133, due to bus saturation.) > > People never seem to listen, or never seem to learn. DON'T BUY 150's > AND 180's. A 180MHz part is slower than a 166MHz part (either P5 or > P6), in almost all normal usage. Similarly, a 150 will usually be > slower than a 133. A P6 166MHz with 512K cache will especially be > faster than a P6 180 with 256K cache. > > Remember, chips that run at even multiples of 30 only run their memory > bus at 60MHz, and their PCI bus at 30MHz. Chips that are multiples of > ~33 run their memory bus at ~67MHz, and their PCI bus at ~33MHz. Has anyone tried out the new 686-150/P200+ (doubled 75MHz) chips. Suitable motherboards seem to be scarce. Danny From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 03:39:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA04638 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 03:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA04632 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 03:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id WAA19295; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:08:11 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199702131138.WAA19295@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Pentium vs. Pentium Pro In-Reply-To: from Daniel O'Callaghan at "Feb 13, 97 08:28:30 pm" To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au (Daniel O'Callaghan) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:08:10 +1030 (CST) Cc: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, maddox@cs.berkeley.edu, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Daniel O'Callaghan stands accused of saying: > > Has anyone tried out the new 686-150/P200+ (doubled 75MHz) chips. > Suitable motherboards seem to be scarce. Try the Tekram P5H30 boards; you should be able to find a supplier in Melb. Failing that, check whether the current Soyo boards cut the mustard. > Danny -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 06:24:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA13221 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 06:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from uswgco3.uswc.uswest.com (uswgco3.uswest.com [206.196.133.82]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA13216 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 06:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from egate.mnet.uswest.com (egate.mnet.uswest.com [151.116.23.138]) by uswgco3.uswc.uswest.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA03712 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:23:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from smokey.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (smokey.ecte.uswc.uswest.com [151.116.109.68]) by egate.mnet.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA24598 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:23:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from wildcat.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (wildcat.ecte.uswc.uswest.com [151.116.110.17]) by smokey.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (8.6.11/uswc-hub.950320) with ESMTP id HAA25057 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:23:30 -0700 Received: by wildcat.ecte.uswc.uswest.com To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pentium vs. Pentium Pro References: <199702131138.WAA19295@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.103) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Matt Meola Date: 13 Feb 1997 07:23:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: Michael Smith's message of Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:08:10 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.12/XEmacs 19.14 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith writes: > Daniel O'Callaghan stands accused of saying: > > > > Has anyone tried out the new 686-150/P200+ (doubled 75MHz) chips. > > Suitable motherboards seem to be scarce. > > Try the Tekram P5H30 boards; you should be able to find a supplier in > Melb. Failing that, check whether the current Soyo boards cut the > mustard. Take a look at http://www.mssi.com/ There they sell a "Mustang" motherboard: it supports 75Mhz and 83Mhz bus speeds, and it also has two 168-pin DIMM slots for S-DRAM. OK, the question: has anyone any experience running FreeBSD on this board? Any comments on the manufacturer, M-Technology? Any comments on the Motherboard Superstore? -- Matt Meola (mmeola@netmail.mnet.uswest.com) Bailey, Colorado mailto:mmeola@netmail.mnet.uswest.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 08:45:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA22686 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.cs.unc.edu (austin.cs.unc.edu [152.2.128.87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA22680 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamella.cs.unc.edu by austin.cs.unc.edu (8.6.10/UNC_10_05_96) id LAA13970; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:45:50 -0500 From: Jan Borgersen Received: by gamella.cs.unc.edu (8.6.10/UNC_06_21_94) id LAA11940; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:45:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199702131645.LAA11940@gamella.cs.unc.edu> Subject: Valuepoints & CAPSLOCK To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:45:47 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is anyone running FreeBSD 2.1.6 on an IBM Valuepoint? (these are the most available machines in my lab....) I've seen this on two 4dx2/66's ... Whenever I hit the CAPSLOCK key (and sometimes when I hit one of the CTRL keys) FreeBSD hangs the active session. I can still telnet in to the machine, so the entire system is not hung, but I can no longer do any work at the computer itself. I was wondering if anyone knows of any BIOS incompatibilities b/w FreeBSD and the Valuepoint line. thanks... -jan ___________________________________________________________________ Jan Martin Borgersen borgerse@cs.unc.edu http://www.cs.unc.edu/~borgerse From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 09:13:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA24168 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:13:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24155 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA23281; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:05:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199702131705.KAA23281@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: William Maddox , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pentium vs. Pentium Pro In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:36:32 PST." <199702130836.AAA16651@MindBender.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:05:50 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, >DON'T BUY FROM Aberdeen. They are really nice folks, and well >meaning, and all. But if you have any problem at all, it takes at I agree with this, skip aberdeen. I ordered a MB from them, choosing 512k of cache, but received a board with 256. I was very explicit when making the order, reading from a prepared sheet containing the features, etc. It took several calls, "let me speak to your manager", threats, "please call Mr. XXX to deal with this", etc. b4 finally getting the extra cache out of them 3-4 weeks later. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 09:57:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26968 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26958 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA24303; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:56:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:56:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199702131756.KAA24303@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Joe McGuckin Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD running on Digital Ultra II laptop? In-Reply-To: <199702130457.UAA19986@monk.via.net> References: <199702130457.UAA19986@monk.via.net> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've seen BSDi. What about FreeBSD? I know of a couple people using it. When I get my new laptop I want to get one of these since I've heard good things about them. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 10:10:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28042 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ravenock.cybercity.dk (ravenock.cybercity.dk [194.16.57.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28027 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ravenock.cybercity.dk (8.8.5/8.7.3) id TAA28894; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:12:15 +0100 (MET) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <199702131812.TAA28894@ravenock.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Valuepoints & CAPSLOCK In-Reply-To: <199702131645.LAA11940@gamella.cs.unc.edu> from Jan Borgersen at "Feb 13, 97 11:45:47 am" To: borgerse@cs.unc.edu (Jan Borgersen) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:12:14 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Jan Borgersen who wrote: > > Is anyone running FreeBSD 2.1.6 on an IBM Valuepoint? (these are the > most available machines in my lab....) > > I've seen this on two 4dx2/66's ... > > Whenever I hit the CAPSLOCK key (and sometimes when I hit one > of the CTRL keys) FreeBSD hangs the active session. This problem is fixed in 2.2 and -current, its due to an interrupt getting lost somehow (the reason is not really understood yet).. > I can still telnet in to the machine, so the entire system is > not hung, but I can no longer do any work at the computer itself. > > I was wondering if anyone knows of any BIOS incompatibilities > b/w FreeBSD and the Valuepoint line. I havn't heard of any (yet)... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 10:22:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28837 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28831 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id NAA24351; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:19:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199702131819.NAA24351@persprog.com> Received: from dasa(192.2.2.199) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma024331; Thu Feb 13 13:18:43 1997 Received: from DASA/SpoolDir by dasa.ppi.com (Mercury 1.21); 13 Feb 97 13:18:51 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by DASA (Mercury 1.30); 13 Feb 97 13:18:10 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc To: Jan Borgersen Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:18:08 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Valuepoints & CAPSLOCK CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199702131645.LAA11940@gamella.cs.unc.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 13 Feb 97 at 11:45, Jan Borgersen proclaimed: > > Is anyone running FreeBSD 2.1.6 on an IBM Valuepoint? (these are the > most available machines in my lab....) > > I've seen this on two 4dx2/66's ... > > Whenever I hit the CAPSLOCK key (and sometimes when I hit one > of the CTRL keys) FreeBSD hangs the active session. > > I can still telnet in to the machine, so the entire system is > not hung, but I can no longer do any work at the computer itself. > > I was wondering if anyone knows of any BIOS incompatibilities > b/w FreeBSD and the Valuepoint line. > SCO OSR5 (add appropriate expletives here) had a timing problem with their keyboard input routine. The fix was to add some spin to the spin loop in the keyboard routine (you could actually fix it by manually editing the binary for the input routine). This used to manifest itself on the IBM 300 series desktops regularly. Does FreeBSD use something as horrendous as a spin loop in the keyboard entry routine? Maybe you can try changing the loop timing. ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose fantasy. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 10:59:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00988 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00968 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from bofh.cybercity.dk by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA11141 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:58:16 -0800 Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (phk.cybercity.dk [195.8.133.247]) by bofh.cybercity.dk (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26548; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:58:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id TAA05799; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:11:41 +0100 (MET) To: Jan Borgersen Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Valuepoints & CAPSLOCK In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:45:47 EST." <199702131645.LAA11940@gamella.cs.unc.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:11:41 +0100 Message-Id: <5797.855857501@critter.dk.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199702131645.LAA11940@gamella.cs.unc.edu>, Jan Borgersen writes: > >Is anyone running FreeBSD 2.1.6 on an IBM Valuepoint? (these are the >most available machines in my lab....) Yes, I have had 130 of them running diskless one weekend. Havn't seen the problem you describe. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 16:11:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA20697 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from pahtoh.cwu.edu (root@pahtoh.cwu.edu [198.104.65.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20688 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by pahtoh.cwu.edu (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA18719; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:11:33 -0800 Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA09163; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:11:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: Steve Passe cc: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" , William Maddox , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SKIP ABERDEEN (was Re: Pentium vs. Pentium Pro) In-Reply-To: <199702131705.KAA23281@clem.systemsix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have to agree. It took several months to successfully return and receive credit for the WRONG CD-ROM which they sent me. After endless phone calls over two months, a letter addressed to the manager of customer service and still no action, I turned the matter over to my VISA company. With a detailed record of all of my telephone calls, the names of the people I talked to at Aberdeen, and a copy of my letter demanding credit, the VISA company successfully got their attention. My advice is to always buy parts with a major credit card just in case you get aberdeened and need an advocate like VISA that WILL get your money back. Better yet, buy from a known-reputable company, like Rod Grimes' accurate automation, or insight direct for example. -Chris On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Steve Passe wrote: > Hi, > > >DON'T BUY FROM Aberdeen. They are really nice folks, and well > >meaning, and all. But if you have any problem at all, it takes at > > I agree with this, skip aberdeen. I ordered a MB from them, choosing > 512k of cache, but received a board with 256. I was very explicit when > making the order, reading from a prepared sheet containing the features, > etc. It took several calls, "let me speak to your manager", threats, > "please call Mr. XXX to deal with this", etc. b4 finally getting > the extra cache out of them 3-4 weeks later. > > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | FreeBSD > From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 16:36:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22607 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22502; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id LAA21975; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:05:40 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199702140035.LAA21975@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: _big_ IDE disks? In-Reply-To: <19970213175603.JR15968@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> from Stefan Esser at "Feb 13, 97 05:56:03 pm" To: se@freebsd.org (Stefan Esser) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:05:39 +1030 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Esser stands accused of saying: > On Feb 13, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) wrote: > > > You have an iozone result or some such, just for the fun of it ?? > > > > I'll run one up for you tomorrow, and send it to -hardware. > > Could you please run Bonnie on it, too ? > It gives much more useful results than iozone, IMHO ... Ok, sure : bom:/local0>dmesg avail memory = 62447616 (60984K bytes) ... wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0x80ff80ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 788MB (10003392 sectors), 9924 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S (Note that I haven't patched the kernel for the bogus arithmetic yet.) Writing the 128 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...16.093750 seconds Reading the file...14.406250 seconds IOZONE performance measurements: 8339742 bytes/second for writing the file 9316631 bytes/second for reading the file -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 128 3858 71.8 8178 28.2 2486 14.1 4210 71.1 8280 28.1 117.0 4.7 (Just for amusement, I ran iozone without any of the go-faster options for the 'wd' driver enabled : Writing the 128 Megabyte file, 'iozone.tmp'...22.453125 seconds Reading the file...23.945312 seconds IOZONE performance measurements: 5977685 bytes/second for writing the file 5605177 bytes/second for reading the file ... so they definitely help 8) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 17:10:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA24525 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA24500 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:09:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id PAA07097; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:09:32 -1000 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:09:32 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199702140109.PAA07097@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Chris Timmons "SKIP ABERDEEN (was Re: Pentium vs. Pentium Pro)" (Feb 13, 4:11pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SKIP ABERDEEN (was Re: Pentium vs. Pentium Pro) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } My advice is to always buy parts with a major credit card just in case you } get aberdeened and need an advocate like VISA that WILL get your money } back. Better yet, buy from a known-reputable company, like Rod Grimes' } accurate automation, or insight direct for example. } When I tried to buy from Rod Grimes he said he was too busy. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 17:25:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA25375 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:25:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25370 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:25:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id LAA22449; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:53:55 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199702140123.LAA22449@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: _big_ IDE disks? In-Reply-To: <199702140117.RAA14909@meerkat.mole.org> from "M.R.Murphy" at "Feb 13, 97 05:17:46 pm" To: mrm@Mole.ORG (M.R.Murphy) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:53:54 +1030 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk M.R.Murphy stands accused of saying: > > bom:/local0>dmesg > > avail memory = 62447616 (60984K bytes) > > ... > > You willing to say what kind of machine "bom" is? Whoops, that must have been eaten somewhere along the way; it's a P166 on a Tekram P5H30WS (HX) board with 64M of memory and 512K cache. > Mike Murphy mrm@Mole.ORG +1 619 598 5874 -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 13 17:54:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA27083 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27045 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id MAA22762; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:24:23 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199702140154.MAA22762@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Pentium vs. Pentium Pro In-Reply-To: from Daniel O'Callaghan at "Feb 14, 97 12:51:09 pm" To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au (Daniel O'Callaghan) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:24:22 +1030 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Daniel O'Callaghan stands accused of saying: > > Technote on www.tekram.com says Cyrix 200+ is not currently supported by > any tekram board. Damn; looking at the manual (I never opened it 8) it's not, either. The board just has a row of jumpers (75,90,100,120,133,150,166,180,200MHz) for speed and one for CPU type (Intel/AMD or Cyrix). I thought they supported all combinations, but the fine print contradicts me - sorry 8( > Danny -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 14 00:11:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA16975 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16967 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA24905; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 02:10:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from wck-ca14-21.ix.netcom.com(207.92.174.85) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma024900; Fri Feb 14 02:10:26 1997 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id AAA06172; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:10:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:10:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702140810.AAA06172@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: richard@pegasus.com CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199702140109.PAA07097@pegasus.com> (richard@pegasus.com) Subject: Re: SKIP ABERDEEN (was Re: Pentium vs. Pentium Pro) From: asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * When I tried to buy from Rod Grimes he said he was too busy. Yeah, that seems to be a problem for him lately. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 14 08:37:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14491 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:37:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14481 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:37:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA07922; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:37:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199702141637.IAA07922@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: SKIP ABERDEEN (was Re: Pentium vs. Pentium Pro) In-Reply-To: <199702140109.PAA07097@pegasus.com> from Richard Foulk at "Feb 13, 97 03:09:32 pm" To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:37:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > } My advice is to always buy parts with a major credit card just in case you > } get aberdeened and need an advocate like VISA that WILL get your money > } back. Better yet, buy from a known-reputable company, like Rod Grimes' > } accurate automation, or insight direct for example. > } > > When I tried to buy from Rod Grimes he said he was too busy. > Unfortanetly that does happen :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 14 17:48:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA19239 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 17:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19233 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 17:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA29481; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 17:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma029479; Fri Feb 14 17:48:02 1997 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA08810; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 17:48:01 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199702150148.RAA08810@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Valuepoints & CAPSLOCK In-Reply-To: <199702131812.TAA28894@ravenock.cybercity.dk> from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= at "Feb 13, 97 07:12:14 pm" To: sos@ravenock.cybercity.dk (Søren Schmidt) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 17:48:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: borgerse@cs.unc.edu, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Whenever I hit the CAPSLOCK key (and sometimes when I hit one > > of the CTRL keys) FreeBSD hangs the active session. > > This problem is fixed in 2.2 and -current, its due to an interrupt > getting lost somehow (the reason is not really understood yet).. This happens on my machine while running X sometimes. The fix is: echo "set ipending=2" | gdb -k -w /kernel /dev/mem I set up an alias "aaa" for this command; you can usually find an 'a' and a blank line to cut & paste with the mouse. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com