From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 9 10:14:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03488 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 10:14:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-4-242.mu.de.ibm.net [139.92.4.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03468; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 10:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA00904; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 10:22:18 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199703090922.KAA00904@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: tarkhil@aha.ru Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tar and Archive FT-60 trouble From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Email: jhs@freebsd.org, Fallback: jhs@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de X-Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. X-Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Tel: +49.89.268616 X-Fax: +49.89.2608126 X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Mar 1997 22:02:52 +0300." <199703081902.WAA02963@tarkhil.dialup.aha.ru> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 10:22:17 +0100 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: Alex Povolotsky > Reply-to: tarkhil@aha.ru > Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 22:02:52 +0300 > > Hello! > > I've suddenly run into trouble: my Archive FT-60 often cannot read good > archives from good tapes. With v flag added, it works much better. The thing > appeared quite suddenly (most likely after CMOS failure). All my attempts to > tune CMOS properly failed. > > I just have no idea from where to begin digging... > > Alex. Not everything in an (AMD) BIOS is settable by menu. Do a reload , here's why: On my AMD BIOS I found that something got scrambled that reduced my performance by ~7 (yes Seven ... very slow) ! I reset all the cache stuff I could find, still no good, gave up, did a "Reload with Power On Defaults" then a Reload with BIOS defaults" -- Problem went away ! Good Luck Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 9 15:59:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21316 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 15:59:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21311 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 15:58:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA01314; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:28:30 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703092358.KAA01314@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Problems with 2.1 Probe? In-Reply-To: <199703071029.VAA11380@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from Bruce Evans at "Mar 7, 97 09:29:30 pm" To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:28:30 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, nate@mt.sri.com, bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans stands accused of saying: > > > >You don't specify one in the kernel config. In normal userconfig, set > >the IRQ to zero. In visual userconfig hit 'x' to get the 'auto' mode. > >(Did that get committed to 2.2? I can't remember.) > > Actually, in normal userconfig, you type ls to get some examples and > then follow one of the examples and set the irq to -1 (irq 0 is for > the clock). In visual userconfig you give up and send mail to Mike, > since the changes for auto mode haven't been committed to -current. Argh! I really should have stayed in bed last week 8( I don't think the auto-mode stuff will make it before 2.2 happens, but I can send someone diffs if they think they have the time for it. It worked OK on the system I tested it on here... > Bruce -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 9 22:22:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08058 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 22:22:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08052 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 22:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.3/8.6.9) id RAA18445; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:09:46 +1100 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:09:46 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199703100609.RAA18445@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Subject: Re: Problems with 2.1 Probe? Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, nate@mt.sri.com Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> the clock). In visual userconfig you give up and send mail to Mike, >> since the changes for auto mode haven't been committed to -current. > >Argh! I really should have stayed in bed last week 8( > >I don't think the auto-mode stuff will make it before 2.2 happens, but I >can send someone diffs if they think they have the time for it. It worked >OK on the system I tested it on here... Ask a committer to commit it to -current. I would ask msmith@freebsd.org :-). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 10 07:43:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA27089 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27080 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:43:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id KAA01409; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:33:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199703101533.KAA01409@persprog.com> Received: from dasa(192.2.2.199) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma001405; Mon Mar 10 10:33:36 1997 Received: from DASA/SpoolDir by dasa.ppi.com (Mercury 1.21); 10 Mar 97 10:33:36 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by DASA (Mercury 1.30); 10 Mar 97 10:33:29 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:33:24 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Tar and Archive FT-60 trouble Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199703081902.WAA02963@tarkhil.dialup.aha.ru> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 8 Mar 97 at 22:02, Alex Povolotsky proclaimed: > I've suddenly run into trouble: my Archive FT-60 often cannot read good > archives from good tapes. With v flag added, it works much better. The thing > appeared quite suddenly (most likely after CMOS failure). All my attempts to > tune CMOS properly failed. If this is a 60Meg QIC tape drive then perhaps you should be diggihn a hole to bury it in! Seriously, all of the old FT60's we had failed with the same problem: the rubber roller on the tape drive motor melted. Yours is almost certainly beginning to get soft even if that is not the problem. Take a look at your head too. I doubt it's your hardware. ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose fantasy. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 11 09:56:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA24551 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:56:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from tolstoy.mpd.ca (wlloyd.HIP.CAM.ORG [199.84.42.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24516; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:55:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from plato (plato.mpd.ca [206.123.11.34]) by tolstoy.mpd.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA04178; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:57:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <33259C92.6FF5@mpd.ca> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:55:30 -0500 From: Bill Lloyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: ISDN Vendor willing to donate equipment for driver References: <199703100306.WAA12471@black.spellcast.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm relaying the text of a message that I received the other day. Unfortunately, I don't have the the knowledge to write a driver. I am willing however to help with testing and debugging of a driver. I also currently use ISDN. I have responded to their original request, with an offer to help locate a developer. I really hope somebody is interested in working on this. The ISDN support in FreeBSD could really use a boost. I seem to remember in previous discussions of this, the problem was finding a vendor to work with. Please contact the conpany directly if you are interested. I would guess that they are most interested in dealing with people in North America. If you contact them, please let me know. Otherwise, I'll keep canvassing the mailing lists. I think it is important that somebody follows up with them, positively or negatively. If there is somebody else who is "in charge" of this kind of thing, please let me know. You can check their equipment out at -bill Original message follows. ======= Bill, I came across your name while going through the FreeBSD documentation project. We currently have a Linux driver for our ISDN adapters and would be interested in developing same for FreeBSD. Could you let me know who the key contributors are in this area. We have equipment we could donate to this end and would be interested in hooking up with a developer interested in the project with solid experience writing network drivers for FreeBSD. We will contributed person-power to the project but are just getting started with FreeBSD and an experienced guide would be an assets. I hope you can help, and I look forward to hearing from you in the near future. PS. We are located in Toronto, Canada and a local person would be an definite asset to us (at least in the same time zone). -- Erik Petersen MediaGlobe Inc./SpellCaster Telecommunications Inc. erik@mediaglobe.com/erik@spellcast.com -- William Lloyd (wlloyd@mpd.ca) | From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 12 20:47:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA03814 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from nexis.net (customer-1.ican.net [198.133.36.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03807; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:47:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by nexis.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02995; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:46:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:46:22 -0500 (EST) From: James FitzGibbon To: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Poscript on an Brother HL760 ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings; I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has had any luck getting postcript output working on a Brother HL-760 printer. I can get plain text to output, but postcript (run through the hpif example from section 7.6 of the handbook) never prints. The printer's data light, which is supposed to indicate data being received and/or processed, just blinks in a one-on/one-off pattern. I've tried hitting the panel button to induce a formfed without success. I've tried removing a paralell port ZIP drive that was daisy chained, and changing my printer port from ECP to EPP in the BIOS. Printing works fine in Win95/NT. Suggestions are appreciated. -- j. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 12 22:14:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA07566 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07556; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA02843; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:43:18 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703130613.QAA02843@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Poscript on an Brother HL760 ? In-Reply-To: from James FitzGibbon at "Mar 12, 97 11:46:22 pm" To: james@nexis.net (James FitzGibbon) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:43:18 +1030 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk James FitzGibbon stands accused of saying: > > I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has had any luck getting postcript > output working on a Brother HL-760 printer. The short answer: don't bother. > Suggestions are appreciated. The long answer; if the printer supports a decent bitmap emulation (CAPSL, PCL5 etc.), use ghostscript and apsfilter. Most 'postscript' printers are slow and stupid. Ghostscript OTOH gets to run on your CPU (how many Pentium-powered printers?) and you can update it as postscript conventions change. > j. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 12 22:38:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08710 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (root@proxy2.ba.best.com [206.184.139.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08705; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsampley.vip.best.com (bsampley.vip.best.com [206.184.160.196]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id WAA09585; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:32:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:31:09 -0800 (PST) From: Burton Sampley To: James FitzGibbon cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Poscript on an Brother HL760 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Try installing apsfilter from the ports collection. I also tried to get the same filter from the FAQ/Handbook to work on a Epson dot-matrix w/o success. Apsfilter handles all the setup for you. Hope this helps. Burton On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, James FitzGibbon wrote: > > Greetings; > > I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has had any luck getting postcript > output working on a Brother HL-760 printer. > > I can get plain text to output, but postcript (run through the hpif > example from section 7.6 of the handbook) never prints. The printer's > data light, which is supposed to indicate data being received and/or > processed, just blinks in a one-on/one-off pattern. > > I've tried hitting the panel button to induce a formfed without success. > I've tried removing a paralell port ZIP drive that was daisy chained, and > changing my printer port from ECP to EPP in the BIOS. > > Printing works fine in Win95/NT. > > Suggestions are appreciated. > > -- > j. > > --- Brought to you by a 100% Micro$oft free system. You too can disinfect your system at http://www.freebsd.org E-Mail: burton@bsampley.vip.best.com Alternate E-Mail: bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu Home Page: http://www.best.com/~bsampley (permanently under construction) From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 13 06:36:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA29658 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 06:36:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus (zeus.gel.usherb.ca [132.210.70.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA29589; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 06:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pollux.gel.usherb.ca by zeus (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09285; Thu, 13 Mar 97 09:35:17 EST Received: by pollux.gel.usherb.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA21279; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:35:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:35:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Alex.Boisvert" To: Michael Smith Cc: James FitzGibbon , questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poscript on an Brother HL760 ? In-Reply-To: <199703130613.QAA02843@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has had any luck getting postcript > > output working on a Brother HL-760 printer. > > The short answer: don't bother. > Just to let you know that I set up my HP LasetJet III (with a PacificPage PostScript emulation cartridge) My /etc/printcap entry is as follow: # lp|local line printer|HP3 Postscript|hp3p:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0:sd=/var/spool/output/lpd:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:sh:\ :if=/usr/local/libexec/psif: # And the /usr/local/libexec/psif file is just as the handbook entry: #!/bin/sh # # psif - Print PostScript or plain text on a PostScript printer # Script version; NOT the version that comes with lprps # Installed in /usr/local/libexec/psif # read first_line first_two_chars=`expr "$first_line" : '\(..\)'` if [ "$first_two_chars" = "%!" ]; then # # PostScript job, print it. # echo $first_line && cat && printf "\004" && exit 0 exit 2 else # # Plain text, convert it, then print it. # ( echo $first_line; cat ) | /usr/local/bin/a2ps && printf "\004" && exit 0 exit 2 fi I do not use ghostscript nor apsfilter and the printing is excellent. As you mentioned, the printing is slower than PCL5 but faster than using ghostscript... Alex. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 13 06:45:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA00347 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 06:45:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA00340; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 06:45:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id BAA06105; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:15:04 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703131445.BAA06105@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Poscript on an Brother HL760 ? In-Reply-To: from "Alex.Boisvert" at "Mar 13, 97 09:35:15 am" To: boia01@pollux.GEL.USherb.CA (Alex.Boisvert) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:15:03 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, james@nexis.net, questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Alex.Boisvert stands accused of saying: > > > I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has had any luck getting postcript > > > output working on a Brother HL-760 printer. > > > > The short answer: don't bother. > > > > Just to let you know that I set up my HP LasetJet III (with a PacificPage > PostScript emulation cartridge) ... > I do not use ghostscript nor apsfilter and the printing is excellent. As > you mentioned, the printing is slower than PCL5 but faster than using > ghostscript... I never complained about the print quality, when it works at all. I have an HP3 here, and a genuine HP Laserjet III Postscript cartridge. Unless the PacificPage cart has some snazzy hardware in it, my verdict on the speed af a 16MHz 68000 rendering postscript stands; it sucks when compared against the sort of performance you get out of ghostscript on just about anything else. Note that to get any sort of decent throughput to the LJ3, you want to turn the tiff compression _on_. > Alex. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 13 08:00:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA04216 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:00:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04193; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:00:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov (daemon@cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.101]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09213; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:00:17 GMT Received: from auk.fsl.noaa.gov by cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov with SMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA169098815; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:00:15 GMT Message-Id: <3328248E.5F52@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:00:14 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: CIRA/NOAA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/725) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Smith Cc: James FitzGibbon , questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poscript on an Brother HL760 ? References: <199703130613.QAA02843@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Most 'postscript' printers are slow and stupid. Ghostscript OTOH gets to > run on your CPU (how many Pentium-powered printers?) and you can update > it as postscript conventions change. All true. Ghostscript, however, does not have a decent set of fonts. And I still use my Panasonic KXP-4455 (powered by a Motorola 68000 running at less than 7MHz or so, quite possibly the slowest PostScript printer in existence) to process PostScript output because it makes a Times Roman headline font look 100 times better than the public-domain Times Roman accompanying Ghostscript. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 13 08:06:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA04543 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:06:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from seine.cs.umd.edu (seine.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.59]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04523 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by seine.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23608; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:06:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703131606.LAA23608@seine.cs.umd.edu> To: hardware@freebsd.org cc: Rodney Grimes Subject: dump / dd / amdump crashing FreeBSD 2.1.5 / 2.2 machines Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:06:30 -0500 From: Rohit Dube Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am seeing some weird problems with a couple of machines running 2.2-970225-GAMMA Everynight when we run amanda's 'amdump', these machines crash. The crash can also be triggered by a 'dump' to /dev/null or a 'dd'. (Not entirely deterministic but all 3 crash the machines most of the time). Switching the kernel to 2.1.5 does not solve the problem either. We have the following hardware on the machines which are crashing - (curtailed dmesg output showing only the PCI devices) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 3 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 1 on pci0:7:0 chip2 rev 0 on pci0:7:1 vga0 rev 0 int a irq 12 on pci0:9 de0 rev 32 int a irq 10 on pci0:11 de0: SMC 9332BDT 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.0 de0: address 00:00:c0:03:6b:f9 ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci0:12 ahc0: aic7880 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (ahc0:0:0): "MICROP 4421-07 0329SJ 0329" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 2047MB (4193360 512 byte sectors) (ahc0:6:0): "SONY CD-ROM CDU-76S 1.2d" type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0(ahc0:6:0): CD-ROM cd present [400000 x 2048 byte records] The console shows the following error messages (which are not logged as the disk is inacessible): sd0(ahc0:0:0): no longer in timeout ahc0: Issued Channel A Bus Reset: 2SCBs aborted Clearing bus reset Clearing 'in-reset' flag Sd0(ahc0:0:0): SCB 0x1 - timed out while idle LASTPHASE == 0x1, SCSIISGI = 0x0 SEQADDR == 0x12 The above message repeats with different values for SEQADDR. The first message which gets printed out says something like 'timed out in command phase'. I can't paraphrase it here as it happened in the middle of the night and scrolled off. Has somebody else seen a problem like this before? Or would otherwise know what is going on here? Any help greatly appreciated! Just can't afford to have these machines go down every night while doing a backup!! Thanks. --rohit. PS: I am attaching the output of 'scsi -f /dev/rsd0 -m1' and 'df' here, if that is of any use in tracking this problem. #scsi -f /dev/rsd0 -m1 AWRE (Auto Write Reallocation Enbld): 1 ARRE (Auto Read Reallocation Enbld): 1 TB (Transfer Block): 0 RC (Read Continuous): 0 EER (Enable Early Recovery): 0 PER (Post Error): 0 DTE (Disable Transfer on Error): 0 DCR (Disable Correction): 0 Read Retry Count: 14 Correction Span: 28 Head Offset Count: 0 Data Strobe Offset Count: 0 Write Retry Count: 15 Recovery Time Limit: 0 # df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd0a 47183 13098 30311 30% / /dev/sd0s1f 1822738 504147 1172772 30% /usr /dev/sd0s1e 98479 1372 89229 2% /var procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc amd:96 0 0 0 100% /fs From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 13 08:06:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA04550 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04517; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:06:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov (daemon@cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.101]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09265; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:06:19 GMT Received: from auk.fsl.noaa.gov by cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov with SMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA184649178; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:06:18 GMT Message-Id: <332825F9.76BD@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:06:17 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: CIRA/NOAA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/725) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: James FitzGibbon Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poscript on an Brother HL760 ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk James FitzGibbon wrote: > I can get plain text to output, but postcript (run through the hpif > example from section 7.6 of the handbook) never prints. You should use the hpif filter from that section if you don't have a PostScript compatible printer. Since your printer does understand PostScript, the filter you want to use is in section 7.6.1.2, called psif. Let me know if that helps ... or not. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 13 08:40:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA06118 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:40:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from seine.cs.umd.edu (seine.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.59]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06108 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by seine.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23867; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:40:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703131640.LAA23867@seine.cs.umd.edu> To: hardware@freebsd.org cc: Rodney Grimes Subject: RE: dump / dd / amdump crashing FreeBSD 2.1.5 / 2.2 machines Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:40:13 -0500 From: Rohit Dube Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I missed out one piece of information from the previous post. Ouch. Sorry. Thanks. --rohit. ---> Unfortunately, the problem also exists in 2.1.5 - Running a dd from /dev/rsd0 to /dev/null under the 2.1.5 fixit disk causes the disk to drop out the same way, though the error messages are not as drastic: the i/o errors out with an i/o error, but every other attempt to access the disk claims it is not configured. As with 2.2, after resetting following this occurance, the disk is not visible even to the Adaptec probe on boot-up. I must power-cycle. The block position where the error is triggered varies, by the way. Jaime <--- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 13 21:47:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA24769 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 21:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24671; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 21:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA19134; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:40:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:40:55 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Mayo To: Sean Kelly cc: Michael Smith , James FitzGibbon , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Poscript on an Brother HL760 ? In-Reply-To: <3328248E.5F52@fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, Sean Kelly wrote: > > Most 'postscript' printers are slow and stupid. Ghostscript OTOH gets to > > run on your CPU (how many Pentium-powered printers?) and you can update > > it as postscript conventions change. > > All true. Ghostscript, however, does not have a decent set of fonts. > > And I still use my Panasonic KXP-4455 (powered by a Motorola 68000 > running at less than 7MHz or so, quite possibly the slowest PostScript > printer in existence) to process PostScript output because it makes a > Times Roman headline font look 100 times better than the public-domain > Times Roman accompanying Ghostscript. This is definately by only complaint with Ghostscript.. the fonts really suck in a large way.. Are there any alternatives out there with better fonts? Can you even purchase better fonts somewhere? I have a HP DeskJet (660C) - is there a way I can get good looking fonts under FreeBSD, with a PCL thingy? Lately, the only reason I boot WinNT is for printing - if I had better printing under FreeBSD I'd probably newfs the NT drive and be a happy camper :-) TIA, -Mark > > -- > Sean Kelly > NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov > Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ GCS/O d- s+ a-- C++ UB+++$ P+ L- E--- W++ N+ K- w++(---) O- M- !V PS+ PE Y++ PGP+ t !5 X+ R- tv b++ DI+ D++ G+ e+(*) h--- r++ y+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Typically, I don't use JAVA -- I think that strong typing is for weak minds (and lazy compiler/interpreter writers)." -- Terry Lambert From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 13 23:21:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA04022 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 23:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA03986; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 23:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA07728; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:21:22 +0100 To: Mark Mayo Cc: Sean Kelly , Michael Smith , James FitzGibbon , questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poscript on an Brother HL760 ? References: From: Thomas Gellekum Date: 14 Mar 1997 08:21:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mark Mayo's message of Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:40:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <87rahj9bwv.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.25/XEmacs 19.14 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Mayo writes: > > This is definately by only complaint with Ghostscript.. the fonts really > suck in a large way.. Are there any alternatives out there with better > fonts? Can you even purchase better fonts somewhere? I have a HP DeskJet > (660C) - is there a way I can get good looking fonts under FreeBSD, with a > PCL thingy? Lately, the only reason I boot WinNT is for printing - if I > had better printing under FreeBSD I'd probably newfs the NT drive and be a > happy camper :-) You can use normal Type1 fonts for ghostscript, both PFA and PFB are OK. Some of them can be found in Adobe's Acrobat Reader. Just copy them to /usr/local/share/ghostscript/fonts and add entries at the end of /usr/local/share/ghostscript/4.02/Fontmap like this: /Symbol (Symbol) ; /Times-Roman (Times-Roman) ; /Times-Italic (Times-Italic) ; /Times-Bold (Times-Bold) ; /Times-BoldItalic (Times-BoldItalic) ; The first column contains the fontname, the second the corresponding filename with extensions. Beware of the copyright for the fonts; I think personal use is OK. tg From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 14 00:14:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA06285 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:14:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.barcode.co.il (gatekeeper.barcode.co.il [192.116.93.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA06263; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nadav@localhost) by gatekeeper.barcode.co.il (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA26762; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:13:38 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:13:38 +0200 (IST) From: Nadav Eiron To: Mark Mayo cc: Sean Kelly , Michael Smith , James FitzGibbon , questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poscript on an Brother HL760 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Mark Mayo wrote: > On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, Sean Kelly wrote: > [enip] > > This is definately by only complaint with Ghostscript.. the fonts really > suck in a large way.. Are there any alternatives out there with better > fonts? Can you even purchase better fonts somewhere? I have a HP DeskJet > (660C) - is there a way I can get good looking fonts under FreeBSD, with a > PCL thingy? Lately, the only reason I boot WinNT is for printing - if I > had better printing under FreeBSD I'd probably newfs the NT drive and be a > happy camper :-) Take a look at the "fonts tutorial": http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/fonts/fonts.html It has tips on where to find fonts and how to install them... > > TIA, > -Mark > [signatures snipped...] Nadav From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 14 08:49:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA27825 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27811; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA01955; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:45:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:45:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Mark Mayo cc: Sean Kelly , Michael Smith , James FitzGibbon , questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poscript on an Brother HL760 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Mark Mayo wrote: > This is definately by only complaint with Ghostscript.. the fonts really > suck in a large way.. Are there any alternatives out there with better > fonts? Can you even purchase better fonts somewhere? I have a HP DeskJet > (660C) - is there a way I can get good looking fonts under FreeBSD, with a > PCL thingy? Lately, the only reason I boot WinNT is for printing - if I > had better printing under FreeBSD I'd probably newfs the NT drive and be a > happy camper :-) As I understand it, you can use just about any commercial PS fonts, so you can pick up a copy of the PS version of ATM and use those fonts. This is what I did until GS 4.0 came out. Of the people complaining about GS fonts, how many have tried 4.0? I forget who, but someone donated fully hinted fonts for GS 4.0, and they look every bit as good as the ones I used from ATM previously. The quality of gs output went up dramatically for me when I upgraded to these fonts. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 14 11:47:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07755 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07743; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA10615; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:39:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:39:22 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Mayo To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" cc: Sean Kelly , Michael Smith , James FitzGibbon , questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poscript on an Brother HL760 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > > > As I understand it, you can use just about any commercial PS fonts, so you > can pick up a copy of the PS version of ATM and use those fonts. This is > what I did until GS 4.0 came out. I'll try out version 4.0 and see if things improve! Otherwise, I think I'll try and see if I can get the Acrobat Reader's fonts giong with ghostscript. Thanks for the tips, -Mark > > Of the people complaining about GS fonts, how many have tried 4.0? I > forget who, but someone donated fully hinted fonts for GS 4.0, and they > look every bit as good as the ones I used from ATM previously. > > The quality of gs output went up dramatically for me when I upgraded to > these fonts. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ GCS/O d- s+ a-- C++ UB+++$ P+ L- E--- W++ N+ K- w++(---) O- M- !V PS+ PE Y++ PGP+ t !5 X+ R- tv b++ DI+ D++ G+ e+(*) h--- r++ y+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Typically, I don't use JAVA -- I think that strong typing is for weak minds (and lazy compiler/interpreter writers)." -- Terry Lambert From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 14 17:31:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA27315 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:31:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from tok.qiv.com ([204.214.141.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27300; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:31:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tok.qiv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id TAA12511; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:30:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jdn@localhost) by acp.qiv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01030; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:53:37 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: acp.qiv.com: jdn owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:53:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Jay D. Nelson" To: Mark Mayo cc: Sean Kelly , Michael Smith , James FitzGibbon , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Poscript on an Brother HL760 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Adobe's fonts work just fine. I've been using Adobe *.pfb's for the past 5 or so years with gs. Monotype, et. al., are also good. Ghostsctipt is better and more robust than a number of commercial RIPs I've worked with. You will nearly always see a performance improvement on HPs by using gs to convert to PCL. Buy commercial type1 fonts and enjoy. -- Jay On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Mark Mayo wrote: ->On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, Sean Kelly wrote: -> ->> > Most 'postscript' printers are slow and stupid. Ghostscript OTOH gets to ->> > run on your CPU (how many Pentium-powered printers?) and you can update ->> > it as postscript conventions change. ->> ->> All true. Ghostscript, however, does not have a decent set of fonts. ->> ->> And I still use my Panasonic KXP-4455 (powered by a Motorola 68000 ->> running at less than 7MHz or so, quite possibly the slowest PostScript ->> printer in existence) to process PostScript output because it makes a ->> Times Roman headline font look 100 times better than the public-domain ->> Times Roman accompanying Ghostscript. -> ->This is definately by only complaint with Ghostscript.. the fonts really ->suck in a large way.. Are there any alternatives out there with better ->fonts? Can you even purchase better fonts somewhere? I have a HP DeskJet ->(660C) - is there a way I can get good looking fonts under FreeBSD, with a ->PCL thingy? Lately, the only reason I boot WinNT is for printing - if I ->had better printing under FreeBSD I'd probably newfs the NT drive and be a ->happy camper :-) -> ->TIA, ->-Mark -> ->> ->> -- ->> Sean Kelly ->> NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov ->> Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ ->> -> ->---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -> Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com -> RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark -> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -> GCS/O d- s+ a-- C++ UB+++$ P+ L- E--- W++ N+ K- w++(---) O- M- !V PS+ PE Y++ -> PGP+ t !5 X+ R- tv b++ DI+ D++ G+ e+(*) h--- r++ y+ ->---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -> "Typically, I don't use JAVA -- I think that strong typing -> is for weak minds (and lazy compiler/interpreter writers)." -> -- Terry Lambert ->