From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 11 20:54:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA26481 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sierra.zyzzyva.com (ppp01-58.zyzzyva.com [208.214.58.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26476 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 20:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sierra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sierra.zyzzyva.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA28864 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 22:52:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705120352.WAA28864@sierra.zyzzyva.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Help with old AMI BIOS config X-uri: http://www.zyzzyva.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:52:25 -0500 From: Randy Terbush Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've aquired a few 386sx-20 machines that are equipped with Chips and Tech chipsets, AMI BIOS dated 1990 and 8 of the older style 30 "pin" SIMMS arranged in 4 banks. The BIOS config option offers "BIOS setup" and "Xtended BIOS setup". The "Xtended BIOS setup" indicates that 3 of the 4 memory banks are disabled. Does anyone here have any idea how to enable these? There does not appear to be a place in the BIOS config to enable them, and there are no jumpers on the motherboard that appear to do this. The computer will not detect memory installed beyond the first bank. Any help is appreciated. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 11 23:50:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA02964 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 11 May 1997 23:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc8.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02959 for ; Sun, 11 May 1997 23:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.90.6]) by ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03835; Mon, 12 May 1997 08:50:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26250; Mon, 12 May 1997 08:50:03 +0200 (CEST) To: peters@belsys.com (Peter Sleggs) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.1 and Adaptec 1542CF install problems References: From: Thomas Gellekum Date: 12 May 1997 08:50:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: peters@belsys.com's message of Fri, 09 May 97 17:42:58 EDT Message-ID: <87911ljiat.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/XEmacs 19.15 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk peters@belsys.com (Peter Sleggs) writes: > I have finally received my CD and have attemped to install 8+ times, > with no luck. I keep getting problems with the disks > > sd0(aha0:0:0); timed out > aha0: MBO 02 and nor 00 (free) > adapter not taking commands.. frozen?! How old is the 1542CF? I've had problems like this with a 1542CF when I tried to hook up more than one device on the bus. A newer BIOS revision fixed it, but that was more than two years ago. IIRC I'm running rev. 2.11, but I don't really want to reboot just to find out. tg From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 12 13:20:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02718 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 13:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic2.pf (0@nic2.pf [208.139.164.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02710 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 13:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diego (sl4.sl.pf [208.139.164.54]) by nic2.pf (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA29839 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 10:20:45 -1000 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:20:45 -1000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970512101744.00909420@pop36.pf> X-Sender: astur@pop36.pf (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Diego LAO Subject: 3Com EtherLink XL PCI 10Mb compatibility Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I would like to know if FreeBSD 2.2.1 recognizes and has the appropriate drivers to work with the ethernet card: 3Com EtherLink XL PCI 10Mb Adapter (3C900) Because I am running FreeBSD 2.1.5 and I was forced to use an ethernet SMC with Digital DC21041 Chipset, because it did'nt want to run a network with the other 3Com card. Thank you Diego LAO diego@hexanet.fr From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 12 16:24:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12643 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 16:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nightflight.com (nightflight.com [207.135.216.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12636 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 16:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GCRUTCHER.eosintl.com (dragon [204.31.148.2]) by nightflight.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA12257 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 16:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970512162339.006bf1b4@nightflight.com> X-Sender: gcrutchr@nightflight.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:23:39 -0700 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Gary Crutcher Subject: TEAC CDROM support Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Will there be any support for the TEAC Model 48E CDROM? I have laptop I want to insall FreeBSD on. Or,...is there an alternative way to get FreeBSD on my laptop? Thanks, Gary ------------------------------------------------------------- Gary Crutcher E-mail: gcrutchr@nightflight.com Webmaster URL: http://www.nightflight.com Member of the Internet Developers Association ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 12 17:51:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16830 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 17:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from admin3.calweb.com (cslye@admin3.calweb.com [207.211.80.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16825 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 17:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cslye@localhost) by admin3.calweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA13157 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 13 May 1997 01:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705130853.BAA13157@admin3.calweb.com> Subject: Intel Pentium II released To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 01:53:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Cameron Slye" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I should have one of the 266's in the office sometime this week.. The chip is in, but the motherboard is not :( Gather the list of tests you want done ;) I am doing the make world thing of course... My last make world tests were on a K6 166, In the end, with it overclocked to 200mhz, it was about 8min slower then the p6-200. (I did not at the time have enought ram, 32mb and the p6 had 128, so I am doing to re-do this test soon when I can put 128 in the k6 also.) http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/DP050797.HTM So, can anyone run the memory speed test (i.e., "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000") for us interested parties (including Bruce and myself)? :) Oh, and while you are there, try the L2 cache speed too. (Say, "bs=128k count=8000".) Satoshi ----- End of forwarded message from Satoshi Asami ----- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 12 18:57:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20328 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 18:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20279 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 18:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA12286; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:26:44 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199705130156.LAA12286@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: TEAC CDROM support In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970512162339.006bf1b4@nightflight.com> from Gary Crutcher at "May 12, 97 04:23:39 pm" To: gcrutchr@nightflight.com (Gary Crutcher) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:26:44 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Crutcher stands accused of saying: > > Will there be any support for the TEAC Model 48E > CDROM? You mean it doesn't currently work, or you haven't tried it? > Gary Crutcher E-mail: gcrutchr@nightflight.com -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 12 19:23:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21941 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 19:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nightflight.com (nightflight.com [207.135.216.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21936 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 19:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.nightflight.com (laptop [207.135.216.195]) by nightflight.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA13515; Mon, 12 May 1997 19:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970512192309.006acdac@nightflight.com> X-Sender: gcrutchr@nightflight.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:23:09 -0700 To: Michael Smith From: Gary Crutcher Subject: Re: TEAC CDROM support Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199705130156.LAA12286@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> References: <3.0.1.32.19970512162339.006bf1b4@nightflight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes, I tried to do the install. The system hung after probing for APM support. I "assumed" after reading the hardware.txt file that it was because the TEAC drive was not listed as supported hardware. Bad assumption? Gary At 11:26 AM 5/13/97 +0930, you wrote: >Gary Crutcher stands accused of saying: >> >> Will there be any support for the TEAC Model 48E >> CDROM? > >You mean it doesn't currently work, or you haven't tried it? > >> Gary Crutcher E-mail: gcrutchr@nightflight.com > >-- >]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ >]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ >]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ >]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ >]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary Crutcher email: gcrutchr@nightflight.com Webmaster URL: http://www.nightflight.com Member of the Internet Developers Association ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 12 19:32:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA22464 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 19:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22459 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 19:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA12619; Tue, 13 May 1997 12:02:12 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199705130232.MAA12619@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: TEAC CDROM support In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970512192309.006acdac@nightflight.com> from Gary Crutcher at "May 12, 97 07:23:09 pm" To: gcrutchr@nightflight.com (Gary Crutcher) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:02:12 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Crutcher stands accused of saying: > Yes, I tried to do the install. > The system hung after probing for APM support. > > I "assumed" after reading the hardware.txt file > that it was because the TEAC drive was not listed > as supported hardware. > > Bad assumption? Yes. The most common cause of this is a bad BIOS not properly initialising the FPU, which is then used for various things. Try setting the flags value for npx0 to 1 using userconfig when booting (boot with '-c'), which will disable the use of the FPU in this fashion. You can also try disabling apm0, as it's possible your APM BIOS is busted too. > Gary -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 12 23:10:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA02922 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 23:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02905 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 23:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA14046; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:03:29 +1000 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:03:29 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199705130603.QAA14046@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: gcrutchr@nightflight.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Subject: Re: TEAC CDROM support Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Yes, I tried to do the install. >> The system hung after probing for APM support. >Yes. The most common cause of this is a bad BIOS not properly >initialising the FPU, which is then used for various things. Try Erm, FreeBSD initializes the FPU before using it. >setting the flags value for npx0 to 1 using userconfig when booting >(boot with '-c'), which will disable the use of the FPU in this fashion. Flag 1 only disables using the FPU to access video memory. Some video memory is buggy and causes system hangs when accessed by the FPU. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 12 23:25:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA03450 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 23:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03443 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 23:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA14820; Tue, 13 May 1997 15:55:43 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199705130625.PAA14820@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: TEAC CDROM support In-Reply-To: <199705130603.QAA14046@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from Bruce Evans at "May 13, 97 04:03:29 pm" To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:55:43 +0930 (CST) Cc: gcrutchr@nightflight.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans stands accused of saying: > >> Yes, I tried to do the install. > >> The system hung after probing for APM support. > > >Yes. The most common cause of this is a bad BIOS not properly > >initialising the FPU, which is then used for various things. Try > > Erm, FreeBSD initializes the FPU before using it. Um. Sounds like I fell off the wrong end of the discussion on this when it was first raised; sorry. > Flag 1 only disables using the FPU to access video memory. Some video > memory is buggy and causes system hangs when accessed by the FPU. Ok. Is this consistent with the hangs-at-end-of-probes problem? I appear to have misfiled this issue. > Bruce -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 13 00:42:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA07159 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 00:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07117 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 00:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA17429; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:33:54 +1000 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:33:54 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199705130733.RAA17429@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Subject: Re: TEAC CDROM support Cc: gcrutchr@nightflight.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Flag 1 only disables using the FPU to access video memory. Some video >> memory is buggy and causes system hangs when accessed by the FPU. > >Ok. Is this consistent with the hangs-at-end-of-probes problem? I >appear to have misfiled this issue. Yes, since npx0 happens to be probed near the end. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 13 06:07:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA19203 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 06:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nightflight.com (nightflight.com [207.135.216.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA19198 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 06:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GCRUTCHER.eosintl.com (dragon [204.31.148.2]) by nightflight.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA16972; Tue, 13 May 1997 06:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970513060404.006a5630@nightflight.com> X-Sender: gcrutchr@nightflight.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 06:04:04 -0700 To: Bruce Evans From: Gary Crutcher Subject: Re: TEAC CDROM support Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199705130603.QAA14046@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk So.. What would be the best way to resolve this? Thanks, Gary At 04:03 PM 5/13/97 +1000, you wrote: >>> Yes, I tried to do the install. >>> The system hung after probing for APM support. > >>Yes. The most common cause of this is a bad BIOS not properly >>initialising the FPU, which is then used for various things. Try > >Erm, FreeBSD initializes the FPU before using it. > >>setting the flags value for npx0 to 1 using userconfig when booting >>(boot with '-c'), which will disable the use of the FPU in this fashion. > >Flag 1 only disables using the FPU to access video memory. Some video >memory is buggy and causes system hangs when accessed by the FPU. > >Bruce > > ------------------------------------------------------------- Gary Crutcher E-mail: gcrutchr@nightflight.com Webmaster URL: http://www.nightflight.com Member of the Internet Developers Association ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 13 07:28:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22184 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 07:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc8.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22175 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 07:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.90.6]) by ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00315 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:27:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA06248; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:27:48 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: CTT8000-S From: Thomas Gellekum Date: 13 May 1997 16:27:47 +0200 Message-ID: <87yb9jphuj.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/XEmacs 19.15 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Moin, we had this discussion about the Conner/Seagate CTT8000-S a few days ago. I could test one today and had no problems with the thing. A bit loud but it seems functional. From the log: May 13 15:54:56 ghpc8 /kernel: aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa May 13 15:54:57 ghpc8 /kernel: (aha0:6:0): "CONNER CTT8000-S 1.17" type 1 removable SCSI 2 May 13 15:54:57 ghpc8 /kernel: st0(aha0:6:0): Sequential-Access density code 0x45, drive empty tg From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 13 14:06:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14406 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zombie.ncsc.mil (zombie.ncsc.mil [144.51.15.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14399 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sjr@localhost) by zombie.ncsc.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26773 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:05:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen J. Roznowski" Message-Id: <199705132105.RAA26773@zombie.ncsc.mil> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: 2nd 3C509 card? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to configure a 2nd 3C509B (combo) card into a FreeBSD-2.2.1 machine as ep1. Is this possible? If so, what should the card's settings be? [Is port 0x210 irq 3 okay?] Thanks, Stephen J. Roznowski (sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil) From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 13 16:23:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23676 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.lariat.org ([129.72.251.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23667 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from solo.lariat.org ([129.72.251.10]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22336; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970513171935.00715d0c@lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@lariat.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:19:35 -0600 To: sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: 2nd 3C509 card? In-Reply-To: <88256496.007D1BEA.00@IWND1.infoworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What????!!! You got a combo card to work with FreeBSD??!! This would be fantastic, if true; I'm waiting on support for the 3C562. --Brett At 05:05 PM 5/13/97 -0300, sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil wrote: >I'm trying to configure a 2nd 3C509B (combo) card into a FreeBSD-2.2.1 >machine as ep1. Is this possible? If so, what should the card's >settings be? [Is port 0x210 irq 3 okay?] > >Thanks, >Stephen J. Roznowski (sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil) From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 13 17:36:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28421 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28412 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15408; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970513173624.55118@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:36:24 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Brett Glass Cc: sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2nd 3C509 card? References: <88256496.007D1BEA.00@IWND1.infoworld.com> <3.0.1.32.19970513171935.00715d0c@lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970513171935.00715d0c@lariat.org>; from Brett Glass on Tue, May 13, 1997 at 05:19:35PM -0600 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brett Glass scribbled this message on May 13: > What????!!! You got a combo card to work with FreeBSD??!! This would be > fantastic, if true; I'm waiting on support for the 3C562. I'm pretty sure he is talking about combo BNC and UTP isa... not the pcmcia version of 3com's card... > At 05:05 PM 5/13/97 -0300, sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil wrote: > > >I'm trying to configure a 2nd 3C509B (combo) card into a FreeBSD-2.2.1 > >machine as ep1. Is this possible? If so, what should the card's > >settings be? [Is port 0x210 irq 3 okay?] > > > >Thanks, > >Stephen J. Roznowski (sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil) > -- John-Mark Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 13 17:50:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29152 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29147 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24324; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199705140050.SAA24324@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brett Glass Cc: sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2nd 3C509 card? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970513171935.00715d0c@lariat.org> References: <88256496.007D1BEA.00@IWND1.infoworld.com> <3.0.1.32.19970513171935.00715d0c@lariat.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What????!!! You got a combo card to work with FreeBSD??!! This would be > fantastic, if true; I'm waiting on support for the 3C562. Umm, that's a '3c509B', not a '3c589B'. One's a desktop (standard) ethernet card, the other is a PCMCIA card. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 13 18:07:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA00219 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA00204; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:07:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199705140107.SAA00204@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released To: cslye@admin3.calweb.com (Cameron Slye) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199705130853.BAA13157@admin3.calweb.com> from "Cameron Slye" at May 13, 97 01:53:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Cameron Slye wrote: > > I should have one of the 266's in the office sometime this week.. The chip is > in, but the motherboard is not :( Gather the list of tests you want done ;) the HINT benchmark for both "long" and "double" datatypes. the source is available from: http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/scl/HINT/HINT.html please mail me, or the list, the results. thanks. jmb ps i have results available for a variety of FreeBSD and sparc machines. > I am doing the make world thing of course... My last make world tests were > on a K6 166, In the end, with it overclocked to 200mhz, it was about 8min > slower then the p6-200. (I did not at the time have enought ram, 32mb and > the p6 had 128, so I am doing to re-do this test soon when I can put 128 in > the k6 also.) > > > > > http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/DP050797.HTM > > So, can anyone run the memory speed test (i.e., "dd if=/dev/zero > of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000") for us interested parties (including > Bruce and myself)? :) > > Oh, and while you are there, try the L2 cache speed too. (Say, > "bs=128k count=8000".) > > Satoshi > > ----- End of forwarded message from Satoshi Asami ----- > From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 13 18:10:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA00372 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00339 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA19407; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:39:00 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199705140109.KAA19407@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 2nd 3C509 card? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970513171935.00715d0c@lariat.org> from Brett Glass at "May 13, 97 05:19:35 pm" To: brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:39:00 +0930 (CST) Cc: sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brett Glass stands accused of saying: > What????!!! You got a combo card to work with FreeBSD??!! This would be > fantastic, if true; I'm waiting on support for the 3C562. Wrong sort of "combo". The 509 is an ISA card; a "combo" is a card with more than one media interface. > --Brett > > At 05:05 PM 5/13/97 -0300, sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil wrote: > > >I'm trying to configure a 2nd 3C509B (combo) card into a FreeBSD-2.2.1 > >machine as ep1. Is this possible? If so, what should the card's > >settings be? [Is port 0x210 irq 3 okay?] > > > >Thanks, > >Stephen J. Roznowski (sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil) > > -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 13 19:19:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA06821 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from border.besys.net.au (border.besys.net.au [203.30.15.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06807 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ingold.besys.net.au (ingold.besys.net.au [203.30.15.130]) by border.besys.net.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02007 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:09:55 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970514121237.007b59c0@mail.besys.net.au> X-Sender: ingold@mail.besys.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:12:37 +1000 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Peter Champas Subject: Enhanced IDE 2nd controler not being recognized. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hiya All. Hope someone can help me out. I have installed a new VL-IDE controler that is supose to support 4 drives. I just put in my 3rd drive and did the following. Put the third drive in as a master on the second ide controler port on the card. the card is a: - Holtek HT-6560B VL-Bus IDE Controller/Adapter I then booted off a dos disk with the controlers utilites to check to see if it recognised the 3rd drive and it did. I re-booted freebsd and modified the kernel to the following. controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 and recompiled it :) but when I re-boot after freebsd does not find the second controler. - May 14 04:16:51 router /kernel: wdc1 not found at 0x170 I am running version 2.1.6 The hardware specs on the cards docs say the second IDE controler is at 0x170 My Bios only recognises the first two drives, but I am told that dosn't matter. Can anyone help me.? cya o--------------------- Peter Champas --------------------o /*\ Life is a challange.. Just ask your local ISP /*\ /* *\ ingold@besys.net.au /* *\ o-----o-------- http://www.besys.net.au/~ingold --------o------o From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 13 20:03:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA10246 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 20:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hiss.scb.co.th (hiss.scb.co.th [202.44.216.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA10239 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 20:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nopadon@localhost) by hiss.scb.co.th (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA01297; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:58:42 +0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:58:42 +0700 (GMT+0700) From: Nopadon Sae-Han To: Peter Champas cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Enhanced IDE 2nd controler not being recognized. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970514121237.007b59c0@mail.besys.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 May 1997, Peter Champas wrote: > Hiya All. > > Hope someone can help me out. I have installed a new VL-IDE controler that > is supose to support 4 drives. I just put in my 3rd drive and did the > following. > > Put the third drive in as a master on the second ide controler port on the > card. > the card is a: > - Holtek HT-6560B VL-Bus IDE Controller/Adapter > I ever use this card but not work too.. After that I switch to use UMC IDE Controller VL-Bus Cards and work great eather FreeBSD and Linux :-) > > cya > o--------------------- Peter Champas --------------------o > /*\ Life is a challange.. Just ask your local ISP /*\ > /* *\ ingold@besys.net.au /* *\ > o-----o-------- http://www.besys.net.au/~ingold --------o------o > ========================================================================= Nopadon (Nop) Sae-Han Siam Commercial Bank System Control 3 Team Floor 12 Zone B (nopadon@telecom.scb.co.th) 9 Ratchadapisak Rd. Ladyao, Jatujak Fon: (662) 544-4658 Bangkok, 10900 Fax: (662) 937-7706 Thailand ========================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 14 02:56:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA05834 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 02:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA05829 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 02:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brother.ludd.luth.se.ludd (pantzer@brother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.78]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00120; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:56:03 +0200 Received: from localhost by brother.ludd.luth.se.ludd (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07833; Wed, 14 May 97 11:56:00 +0200 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:56:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mattias Pantzare To: "Stephen J. Roznowski" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2nd 3C509 card? In-Reply-To: <199705132105.RAA26773@zombie.ncsc.mil> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 May 1997, Stephen J. Roznowski wrote: > I'm trying to configure a 2nd 3C509B (combo) card into a FreeBSD-2.2.1 > machine as ep1. Is this possible? If so, what should the card's > settings be? [Is port 0x210 irq 3 okay?] Yes, it is possible, set it to anything free. As long as the settings on the cards and in FreeBSD match... :-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 15 01:20:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA06995 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 01:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trifork.gu.net (trifork.gu.net [194.93.190.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA06989 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 01:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.gu.kiev.ua [127.0.0.1]) by trifork.gu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10157; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:19:51 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:19:51 +0300 (EEST) From: Andrew Stesin Reply-To: stesin@gu.net To: Brett Glass cc: sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2nd 3C509 card? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970513171935.00715d0c@lariat.org> Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What's so strange with 3c509-combo? We use them here and there with 0 problems (2.2 branch), just take it's _latest_ config utility from ftp.3com.com and force the card to forget the words "Plug-n-Pray" as a whole. Forcing the proper cabling type is nice too. You want two/three/four cards? Ok, use the config utility to put each card on different (it's own) IRQ and I/O range. Then describe ep0 and ep1 and ... in your kernel config file as appropriate to your HW setup. They will work. EISA 3c5x9 cards also work with 2.2.*, tested. Best regards, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 15 01:22:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA07062 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 01:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trifork.gu.net (trifork.gu.net [194.93.190.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA07057 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 01:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.gu.kiev.ua [127.0.0.1]) by trifork.gu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10174; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:23:12 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:23:12 +0300 (EEST) From: Andrew Stesin Reply-To: stesin@gu.net To: Michael Smith cc: Brett Glass , sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2nd 3C509 card? In-Reply-To: <199705140109.KAA19407@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 May 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > > Wrong sort of "combo". The 509 is an ISA card; a "combo" is a card with > more than one media interface. Yes, that's what I meant in my previous message. (Who cares about silly trademarks, anyway? that's tech which matters :) Best regards, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 15 02:02:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA08581 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 02:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA08568 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 02:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA21297; Thu, 15 May 1997 02:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970515020229.22931@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 02:02:29 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: stesin@gu.net Cc: Brett Glass , sjr@zombie.ncsc.mil, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2nd 3C509 card? References: <3.0.1.32.19970513171935.00715d0c@lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Stesin on Thu, May 15, 1997 at 11:19:51AM +0300 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew Stesin scribbled this message on May 15: > What's so strange with 3c509-combo? We use them here and there absolutely nothing... if you read the rest of the thread it was mistaken for the pccard 3com card.. not the 3c509 which is isa... -- John-Mark Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 15 21:58:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA08235 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 21:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rkntws40casa ([207.137.172.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08212 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 21:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970515214840.00966580@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 21:48:40 -0700 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: What Printer To Get - Postscript In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970513171935.00715d0c@lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK. So, I want to use FreeBSD and output in PostScript. What Laser Printer should I buy? Is the H-P LaserJet 5M a good idea or should I consider something else? Anyone with any experience(s) would be helpful... Thanx, Randy Katz From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 15 23:44:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA11969 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (ppp030-sm0.sirius.com [205.134.229.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11963 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA21927; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:44:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <199705160644.XAA21927@superior.mooseriver.com> Subject: Re: What Printer To Get - Postscript In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970515214840.00966580@ccsales.com> from "Randy A. Katz" at "May 15, 97 09:48:40 pm" To: randyk@ccsales.com (Randy A. Katz) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: jgrosch@sirius.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Randy A. Katz said: >OK. > >So, I want to use FreeBSD and output in PostScript. What Laser Printer >should I buy? Is the H-P LaserJet 5M a good idea or should I consider >something else? > >Anyone with any experience(s) would be helpful... > >Thanx, >Randy Katz > If I remember right the HP 5M is a nice printer. The HP 5P is also a nice printer. If you have money to toss around a 5MP with the postscript option, a jetdirect card and more memory is very nice. BUT, you don't have buy a fancy HP printer. My HP Deskjet 500 does a very nice job doing postscript. apsfilter works just fine and you can spend you money other thinks like hard disks :-) Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.1 jgrosch@sirius.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 16 03:47:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA21601 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 03:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from perki.connect.com.au (perki.connect.com.au [192.189.54.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA21594 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 03:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nemeton.UUCP (Unemeton@localhost) by perki.connect.com.au with UUCP id UAA24593 (8.8.5/IDA-1.6 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org); Fri, 16 May 1997 20:46:32 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost.nemeton.com.au (localhost.nemeton.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by nemeton.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA28290 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 20:40:19 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199705161040.UAA28290@nemeton.com.au> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Cyrix 486DX2 and write through cache? Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 20:40:19 +1000 From: Giles Lean Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [This question has been asked before on the list, but I couldn't see an answer in the archive.] Does anyone know of a way to force a Cyrix Cx486DX2 to use its internal cache in write through mode rather than write back? Even crash and burn testing would go faster if I could re-enable the internal cache. :-) Regards, Giles From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 16 07:53:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA01842 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA01837 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 07:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id JAA14108; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:47:16 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma014097; Fri May 16 10:47:05 1997 Message-ID: <337C7366.4A93ABDB@persprog.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:47:02 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jgrosch@sirius.com CC: "Randy A. Katz" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What Printer To Get - Postscript X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199705160644.XAA21927@superior.mooseriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Josef Grosch wrote: > My HP Deskjet 500 does a very nice job doing > postscript. apsfilter works just fine and you can spend you money > other thinks like hard disks :-) > Does the apsfilter work at all with newer HP printers like the 85x and 870? The 500 is not made anymore. AFAIK, neither of these printers are "WinPrinters". -- It's not my fault! It's some guy named "General Protection"! --Ratbert David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 16 08:41:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA04460 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04454 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from butterfly.inna.net (jamie@butterfly.inna.net [206.151.66.3]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09097; Fri, 16 May 1997 11:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:36:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Dave Alderman cc: jgrosch@sirius.com, "Randy A. Katz" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What Printer To Get - Postscript In-Reply-To: <337C7366.4A93ABDB@persprog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 May 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > Josef Grosch wrote: > > > My HP Deskjet 500 does a very nice job doing > > postscript. apsfilter works just fine and you can spend you money > > other thinks like hard disks :-) > > > > Does the apsfilter work at all with newer HP printers like the 85x and > 870? The 500 is not made anymore. AFAIK, neither of these printers are > "WinPrinters". I bought an HP DeskJet 680C about 2 months ago, works fine. It's PCL, and not PS, so I have to run it through ghostscript with a filter, but it works just fine. Having color is a nice feature, and its not a Winprinter (blechh). Jamie Bowden From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 16 09:03:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA05220 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05203 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-40.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA05358 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 May 1997 18:03:31 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA09524; Fri, 16 May 1997 18:03:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:03:17 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: dave@persprog.com Cc: jgrosch@sirius.com, "Randy A. Katz" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What Printer To Get - Postscript References: <199705160644.XAA21927@superior.mooseriver.com> <337C7366.4A93ABDB@persprog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.68 In-Reply-To: <337C7366.4A93ABDB@persprog.com>; from Dave Alderman on Fri, May 16, 1997 at 10:47:02AM -0400 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On May 16, Dave Alderman wrote: > Josef Grosch wrote: > > > My HP Deskjet 500 does a very nice job doing > > postscript. apsfilter works just fine and you can spend you money > > other thinks like hard disks :-) > > > > Does the apsfilter work at all with newer HP printers like the 85x and > 870? The 500 is not made anymore. AFAIK, neither of these printers are > "WinPrinters". I just printed a few pages on my new 870, and I was really surprised to see how well it works with Ghostscript. The printer advances paper by a few centimeters (well, say by one inch :) per traversal of the printhead, if a B&W graphic is sent, and while I did not actually measure the time it takes to print a page, the speed feels much faster than that of a 4 page per minute laser printer. There are only three things I don't like about this printer: 1) The ink needs a few more seconds to dry, when the sheet has been printed. 2) Ejected sheets are not always correctly put into the output tray and I'm afraid of the risk of a paper jam when printing large files unattended, for that reason. Nothing bad has happened, so far, but I'd rather stay near the printer ... 3) From what I've heard, there is no documentation about high resolution graphics commands available for any HP printer. The printer's manual does not even tell about the graphic compression modes supported (but you can easily find them by trying all of them). This limits printing to 300dpi, while the actual physical resolution (pixel size on paper) appears to be better, even on plain photo-copier paper (I did not yet try printing on special color inkjet paper). Anyway, if all you need is a personal printer with good print quality and speed, then the 870 may well be for you. Does anybody know the technical specification of the 820's GDI interface ? The 820 seems to be MUCH cheaper than the 870, and if it was supported by Ghostscript, then I wouldn't mind, that it does not accept plain ASCII text ... Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 16 11:07:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11349 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 11:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (root@cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11344; Fri, 16 May 1997 11:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@earth.mat.net [205.252.122.1]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16747; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [205.252.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21043; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:06:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:06:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Stefan Esser cc: dave@persprog.com, jgrosch@sirius.com, "Randy A. Katz" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What Printer To Get - Postscript In-Reply-To: <19970516180317.27012@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 May 1997, Stefan Esser wrote: > 3) From what I've heard, there is no documentation about high > resolution graphics commands available for any HP printer. > The printer's manual does not even tell about the graphic > compression modes supported (but you can easily find them > by trying all of them). This limits printing to 300dpi, while > the actual physical resolution (pixel size on paper) appears > to be better, even on plain photo-copier paper (I did not yet > try printing on special color inkjet paper). Stefan, I thought all the inkjets used PCL5 as their language. If that's true, it's completely documented in stuff available from HP. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 16 12:43:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15539 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkie.gnofn.org (sparkie.gnofn.org [206.27.168.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15532 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkie.gnofn.org (sparkie.gnofn.org [206.27.168.35]) by sparkie.gnofn.org (8.7.Beta.10/8.7.Beta.10) with SMTP id OAA13211 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:43:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:43:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Craig Johnston To: freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: supermicro p6sns/p6sas Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Considering buying one of the above supermicro boards. Any problems? Does the onboard AIC 7880 work just fine? FYI, 4 pci, 6 simm, onboard u/w scsi, with the sas having an ATX form factor and the sns being a baby AT. Any alternate recommendations? Need 4 pci slots, would like 6 simms, would like SCSI onboard. thanks. Craig. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 16 14:02:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19652 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19633; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.5/8.7.3) id XAA19676; Fri, 16 May 1997 23:01:47 +0200 (MEST) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <199705162101.XAA19676@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: What Printer To Get - Postscript In-Reply-To: from Chuck Robey at "May 16, 97 02:06:32 pm" To: chuckr@mat.net (Chuck Robey) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 23:01:47 +0200 (MEST) Cc: se@FreeBSD.ORG, dave@persprog.com, jgrosch@sirius.com, randyk@ccsales.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Chuck Robey who wrote: > On Fri, 16 May 1997, Stefan Esser wrote: > > > 3) From what I've heard, there is no documentation about high > > resolution graphics commands available for any HP printer. > > The printer's manual does not even tell about the graphic > > compression modes supported (but you can easily find them > > by trying all of them). This limits printing to 300dpi, while > > the actual physical resolution (pixel size on paper) appears > > to be better, even on plain photo-copier paper (I did not yet > > try printing on special color inkjet paper). > > Stefan, I thought all the inkjets used PCL5 as their language. If that's > true, it's completely documented in stuff available from HP. No, the 870 uses PCL3+ whatever superset of PCL3 that might be... I bought one a month or so ago, and it is endeed a nice printer. The only matter I still persue is that it prints much too colored images, its like the color saturation has been set too high in ghostscript. However it can probably be corrected by fiddeling with ghostscript.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 16 14:41:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21453 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.glasnet.ru (falcon.glas.apc.org [193.124.5.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21434; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost(really [194.87.8.18]) by falcon.glasnet.ru via sendmail with smtp id for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 01:41:17 +0400 (WSU DST) (Smail-3.2.0.95 1997-May-7 #4 built DST-May-15) Message-Id: From: "Andrei A. Kuksa" To: "hardware@freebsd.org" , "hackers@freebsd.org" Date: Sat, 17 May 97 01:44:20 Reply-To: "Andrei A. Kuksa" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Drivers for Arlan-655 for BSD Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! Unfortunately, I'm not subscribin' to Your mailing list... I have Arlan-655 WAN adapter; I need drivers for that for FreeBSD ( I know they exist for BSDI 2.1. in binary format ) Can anybody help me ? If you have any info about, please send me. Thanks for a kind attention. Sincerely... Andrei =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= E-mail: kuksaa@femto.chph.ras.ru kuksaa@chph.ras.ru andy@erich.chph.ras.ru FIDONET: 2:5020/630.44@fidonet.org Personal homepage: http://center.chph.ras.ru/~kuksaa =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 17 07:09:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA24796 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 07:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24791 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 07:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.184.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.5/(97/05/14 3.29)) id KAA26165; Sat, 17 May 1997 10:09:17 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from crc3.concentric.net (ts035d04.hil-ny.concentric.net [206.173.18.112]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.8.5) id KAA10737; Sat, 17 May 1997 10:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <337DBBE1.2823@concentric.net> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 10:08:33 -0400 From: Richard Linane Reply-To: Typh0on@concentric.net Organization: Richard Linane X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Toshiba ATAPI Drives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a Toshiba 12X ATAPI CD-ROM Drive and I'm wondering If anyone has had any luck configuring there system to utilize these types of drives. I'm running 2.1.7. I'm quite new with BSD and never done any hacking with it. Thanks, Rich Linane From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 17 11:48:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06098 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 11:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06093 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 11:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr3-16.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA18916 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 17 May 1997 20:45:01 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA00753; Sat, 17 May 1997 11:38:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 11:38:56 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Sxren Schmidt Cc: Chuck Robey , dave@persprog.com, jgrosch@sirius.com, randyk@ccsales.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What Printer To Get - Postscript References: <199705162101.XAA19676@sos.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.68 In-Reply-To: <199705162101.XAA19676@sos.freebsd.dk>; from S\xren Schmidt on Fri, May 16, 1997 at 11:01:47PM +0200 X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de id LAA00753 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA06094 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On May 16, "S\xren Schmidt" wrote: > In reply to Chuck Robey who wrote: > > On Fri, 16 May 1997, Stefan Esser wrote: > > > > > 3) From what I've heard, there is no documentation about high > > > resolution graphics commands available for any HP printer. > > > The printer's manual does not even tell about the graphic > > > compression modes supported (but you can easily find them > > > by trying all of them). This limits printing to 300dpi, while > > > the actual physical resolution (pixel size on paper) appears > > > to be better, even on plain photo-copier paper (I did not yet > > > try printing on special color inkjet paper). > > > > Stefan, I thought all the inkjets used PCL5 as their language. If that's > > true, it's completely documented in stuff available from HP. > > No, the 870 uses PCL3+ whatever superset of PCL3 that might be... > I bought one a month or so ago, and it is endeed a nice printer. Well, Søren said it better than I ever could (and with less words :) The problem is, that while the HP-PCL manuals I have (from nearly ten year old HP printers) still apply, but in order to use the high-reolution graphics modes, you need undocumented ESC sequences, that appear to be common to the HP560C and newer printers. I sent the printer a PCL file meant for a 600DPI LaserJet, and it gave significantly better output than what Ghostscript had produced for a DeskJet 500. But the 600DP picture contained a few bad spots, possibly because of differences in the graphics compression algorithms supported. This should be easy to sort out, but I didn't have time, yet. > The only matter I still persue is that it prints much too colored > images, its like the color saturation has been set too high in > ghostscript. However it can probably be corrected by fiddeling > with ghostscript.... Did you try to apply Gamma correction ? There was a comment somewherei in the Ghostscript sources, that indicates the dots are too big on many ink jet printers, and I seem to remember, that a Gamam of 0.333 was suggested. I haven't tried, yet ... Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 17 13:15:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09025 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 13:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (root@cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09020 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 13:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@earth.mat.net [205.252.122.1]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23234 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [205.252.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA03109 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 16:15:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 16:14:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@Journey2.mat.net To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What Printer To Get - Postscript In-Reply-To: <19970517113856.07573@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id NAA09021 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I trimmed the CC: list here ... On Sat, 17 May 1997, Stefan Esser wrote: > On May 16, "S\xren Schmidt" wrote: > > In reply to Chuck Robey who wrote: > > > On Fri, 16 May 1997, Stefan Esser wrote: > > > > > > > 3) From what I've heard, there is no documentation about high > > > > resolution graphics commands available for any HP printer. > > > > The printer's manual does not even tell about the graphic > > > > compression modes supported (but you can easily find them > > > > by trying all of them). This limits printing to 300dpi, while > > > > the actual physical resolution (pixel size on paper) appears > > > > to be better, even on plain photo-copier paper (I did not yet > > > > try printing on special color inkjet paper). > > > > > > Stefan, I thought all the inkjets used PCL5 as their language. If that's > > > true, it's completely documented in stuff available from HP. > > > > No, the 870 uses PCL3+ whatever superset of PCL3 that might be... > > I bought one a month or so ago, and it is endeed a nice printer. > > Well, Søren said it better than I ever could (and with less words :) > > The problem is, that while the HP-PCL manuals I have (from nearly > ten year old HP printers) still apply, but in order to use the > high-reolution graphics modes, you need undocumented ESC sequences, > that appear to be common to the HP560C and newer printers. Ahh. Well, as a service to anyone else who is considering buying a cheap HP Deskjet, I have the 693, and it's been a lifesaver, producing copy for an English class, where the instructor has been much more concerned with how it looks than with what it says. Color is fine, apsfilter compatibility is great, bw is flawless, and the printer was relatively inexpensive. The 693 is the Windows version, which bundles in some Windows software that I haven't bothered taking the shrinkwrap off of. The version that doesn't bundle in the Windows software doesn't seem to be commercially available. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 17 20:38:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04871 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 20:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net ([207.3.81.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04866 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 20:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.3.81.138] by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ka191214 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 22:38:52 -0500 Message-ID: <337D348B.41C67EA6@tri-lakes.net> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 23:31:07 -0500 From: Chris Dillon X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What Printer To Get - Postscript References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jamie Bowden wrote: > > On Fri, 16 May 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > > > Josef Grosch wrote: > > > > > My HP Deskjet 500 does a very nice job doing > > > postscript. apsfilter works just fine and you can spend you money > > > other thinks like hard disks :-) > > > > > > > Does the apsfilter work at all with newer HP printers like the 85x and > > 870? The 500 is not made anymore. AFAIK, neither of these printers are > > "WinPrinters". > > I bought an HP DeskJet 680C about 2 months ago, works fine. It's PCL, > and not PS, so I have to run it through ghostscript with a filter, but it > works just fine. Having color is a nice feature, and its not a > Winprinter (blechh). > > Jamie Bowden I bought an HP 870Cse some months ago and have been using Ghostscript 4.03, but it doesn't support the 800 series. Using the "Deskjet 550C" driver works great, but the output is nowhere near the quality of what i get from native drivers in Windows. I'd love to write a new driver for it if I knew how. I think the major difference between the 550C and the 870Cse is speed (I'd have to say the 870Cse is, uhm, considerably faster) and the 800 series does 600x600dpi black (outstanding black output, i might add). As for color, i think the resolution remained the same, about 360x360 (kind of a pity seeing as how Canon and Epson have gone 720dpi and now Epson even has 1440dpi ). Chris Dillon From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 17 20:47:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA06388 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 20:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net ([207.3.81.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA06380 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 20:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.3.81.138] by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id sa191222 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 22:47:26 -0500 Message-ID: <337D368E.167EB0E7@tri-lakes.net> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 23:39:42 -0500 From: Chris Dillon X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Esser CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What Printer To Get - Postscript References: <199705160644.XAA21927@superior.mooseriver.com> <337C7366.4A93ABDB@persprog.com> <19970516180317.27012@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Esser wrote: > > On May 16, Dave Alderman wrote: > > Josef Grosch wrote: > > > > > My HP Deskjet 500 does a very nice job doing > > > postscript. apsfilter works just fine and you can spend you money > > > other thinks like hard disks :-) > > > > > > > Does the apsfilter work at all with newer HP printers like the 85x and > > 870? The 500 is not made anymore. AFAIK, neither of these printers are > > "WinPrinters". > > I just printed a few pages on my new 870, and I was really > surprised to see how well it works with Ghostscript. The > printer advances paper by a few centimeters (well, say by > one inch :) per traversal of the printhead, if a B&W graphic > is sent, and while I did not actually measure the time it > takes to print a page, the speed feels much faster than that > of a 4 page per minute laser printer. One key to the 800 series speed is the width of the print head.. I think prints about twice as much at a time as other printers (this also means higher print quality due to less banding). > There are only three things I don't like about this printer: > > 1) The ink needs a few more seconds to dry, when the sheet > has been printed. True, but the ink itself is one of the reasons this printer has such phenomenal black output. > 2) Ejected sheets are not always correctly put into the output > tray and I'm afraid of the risk of a paper jam when printing > large files unattended, for that reason. Nothing bad has > happened, so far, but I'd rather stay near the printer ... Hmm, mine has never done anything weird. Have you made sure the removable tray is corrected seated? A customer of mine had problems you describe, and it ended up being that the tray wasn't seated "quite" right in the printer. > 3) From what I've heard, there is no documentation about high > resolution graphics commands available for any HP printer. > The printer's manual does not even tell about the graphic > compression modes supported (but you can easily find them > by trying all of them). This limits printing to 300dpi, while > the actual physical resolution (pixel size on paper) appears > to be better, even on plain photo-copier paper (I did not yet > try printing on special color inkjet paper). All I have found is a basic PCL5 command list from HP (somewhere on their web site, I have no idea where now, but they have a search engine). > Anyway, if all you need is a personal printer with good print > quality and speed, then the 870 may well be for you. Yup... but for $500 i kind of wish I looked at one of those Epson printers. Especially if I had waited about 2 months and bought one of their 1440dpi printers for $100 less. BUT, I think the main reason I bought this HP printer over any other is, well, it's from HP. ;> I've never once had any major problems with their printers, especially their lasers. Chris Dillon