From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jul 20 15:17:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05043 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.tssc.co.nz (nzls21.tssc.co.nz [202.37.54.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05037 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.tssc.co.nz by mailhub.tssc.co.nz (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA22117; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:12:59 +1200 Received: from djclarke.tssc.co.nz by mailhost.tssc.co.nz (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA21454; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:16:37 +1200 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970721101544.006c0e1c@mailhost> X-Sender: djclarke@mailhost X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:15:44 +1200 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Dave Clarke Subject: Best Pentium / PPro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Has anyone got any comments on the the following combinations of motherboard and CPU for FreeBSD ?? Asus P6NP5 with PPro 200 NZD$1,190 Asus P55T2P4 with P166 NZD$524 Asus P55T2P4 with P200 MMX NZD$974 Change MBD to Asus TX97-... with above CPU's, add approx $60 Any comments with DIMM (10ns) vs EDO SIMM (60ns) memory, it seems like the 10ns DIMM is not worth the extra money due to the PCI bus speed ?? Is it better to get ATX or Standard form factor motherboard ?? Thanks for your help. Dave From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jul 20 17:53:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11595 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 17:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11588; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 17:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA19571; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:23:04 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707210053.KAA19571@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: AHA-1542 or BusLogic 545C -- which is better? In-Reply-To: <199707200949.LAA00437@desk.jhs.no_domain> from "Julian H. Stacey" at "Jul 20, 97 11:49:15 am" To: jhs@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:23:03 +0930 (CST) Cc: jreynold@sedona.intel.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Julian H. Stacey stands accused of saying: > John Reynolds~ wrote: > > > > In summary: I have a AHA-1522a card which seems to have flakey scsi > > support under FreeBSD (2.2.1). I wish to get a more "rock solid" card ... > I & another chap have a fault in writing 2 simultaneous discs with a 1542A, Please be careful to avoid confusing the 1522 and the 1542; the two have nothing whatsoever in common. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 21 03:17:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA04740 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 03:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca18-12.ix.netcom.com [204.32.168.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA04735 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 03:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.6/8.6.9) id DAA20983; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 03:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 03:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707211016.DAA20983@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: owner-crp@tssc.co.nz CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19970721101544.006c0e1c@mailhost> (message from Dave Clarke on Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:15:44 +1200) Subject: Re: Best Pentium / PPro From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Has anyone got any comments on the the following combinations of * motherboard and CPU for FreeBSD ?? I thought there would be a thousand followups, but since nobody is answering, let me add my NZD$0.04 (my guess from the prices below :).... * Asus P6NP5 with PPro 200 NZD$1,190 * Asus P55T2P4 with P166 NZD$524 * Asus P55T2P4 with P200 MMX NZD$974 P55-200 (MMX) is not worth the price, go for P6-200 if you are willing to spend NZD$1,000 or so. Otherwise, the P54-166 should be an excellent buy now. Of course, you can get the AMD K6-200 (MMX) too. Make sure to get it from a place that offers 1-year warranty though. ;) * Change MBD to Asus TX97-... with above CPU's, add approx $60 Don't forget the 430TX-based boards can't cache more than 64MB on the L2 cache. Same for the VX. * Any comments with DIMM (10ns) vs EDO SIMM (60ns) memory, it seems like the * 10ns DIMM is not worth the extra money due to the PCI bus speed ?? No idea about SDRAM, I've never used them. I'm not sure where the PCI bus fits into all this though, the memory bus is run independent of PCI. (The only dependency is that the former is usually an integer multiple of the latter...so, if you get a 120/150/180 CPU, the PCI bus will run at 30MHz and the memory bus at 60MHz.) For more info, go to Tom's Hardware guide (http://sysdoc.pair.com/). * Is it better to get ATX or Standard form factor motherboard ?? If you are building a new computer, get ATX by all means. Not only does it have serial ports etc. on the board so you don't have an ugly mess of cables inside your PC, but the CPU's are usually out of the way of the expansion slots so you won't have the CPU heatsink/fan getting in the way of a long card. (Take a look at the pictures on the manufacturers' web sites if you don't know what I mean, and try to imagine yourself putting in an old #9 GXE64Pro PCI (about 25 centimeters long) into one of the PCI slots and see where the CPU fan is.) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 21 05:53:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA11811 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 05:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from racoon.riga.lv (racoon.riga.lv [194.8.12.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA11806 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 05:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nick@localhost) by racoon.riga.lv (8.8.4/8.7.3/OL.cf-2.3) id PAA08302 for hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:52:58 +0300 (EET DST) To: hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: Organization: LvNet-Teleport From: "Nikolai Matyushenko" Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:52:58 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.16 SunOS] Subject: AirLAN/WaveLAN Lines: 6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello ! Is there or will ever be support for any AirLAN/WaveLAN hardware in FreeBSD ? It's just would be nice to have a FreeBSD router on a radiolink :) Thank You ! Nick. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 21 07:24:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA15326 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 07:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA15321 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 07:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id XAA23781; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:53:24 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707211423.XAA23781@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: AirLAN/WaveLAN In-Reply-To: from Nikolai Matyushenko at "Jul 21, 97 03:52:58 pm" To: nick@racoon.riga.lv (Nikolai Matyushenko) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:53:23 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nikolai Matyushenko stands accused of saying: > Hello ! > Is there or will ever be support for any AirLAN/WaveLAN hardware in FreeBSD ? > It's just would be nice to have a FreeBSD router on a radiolink :) > Thank You ! There is Wavelan support in -current, and a driver for 2.2 is available from ftp://smith.net.au/FreeBSD/wavelan/ (Note that this site will be down for the next 24 hours or so due to a broken bridge in a locked room). There's a new revision of the driver due soon, which adds support for the new 2.4HGz WaveModem-based cards. The limiting factor at the moment is my time and that of the active developers/testers. There's lots of interest in this, so I'll probably make a fair amount of noise when it's ready. > Nick. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 21 13:34:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09745 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wall.jhs.no_domain (vector.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09678; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wall.jhs.no_domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wall.jhs.no_domain (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA01797; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:36:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199707212036.WAA01797@wall.jhs.no_domain> To: Michael Smith cc: jreynold@sedona.intel.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AHA-1542 or BusLogic 545C -- which is better? From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Email: jhs@freebsd.org, Fallback: jhs@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ X-Company: Vector Systems Ltd, Unix & Internet Consultants. X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Tel: Phone +49.89.268616, Fax +49.89.2608126, Data +49.89.26023276 X-Software: FreeBSD (Unix) + EXMH 1.6.9 (PGP key on web) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:23:03 +0930." <199707210053.KAA19571@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:36:43 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Reference: > From: Michael Smith > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:23:03 +0930 (CST) > Message-id: <199707210053.KAA19571@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Hi, Michael Smith wrote: > Julian H. Stacey stands accused of saying: > > John Reynolds~ wrote: > > > > > > In summary: I have a AHA-1522a card which seems to have flakey scsi > > > support under FreeBSD (2.2.1). I wish to get a more "rock solid" card > ... > > I & another chap have a fault in writing 2 simultaneous discs with a 1542A, > > Please be careful to avoid confusing the 1522 and the 1542; the two have > nothing whatsoever in common. Oh, sorry, I thoght someone had said that 1522 was a clone of a 1542 ? but I guess I was wrong, so sorry for causing confusion. Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 21 14:17:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12119 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from onyx.interactive.net (root@onyx.interactive.net [208.192.224.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12113 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luddite.org (host000.dialup.interactive.net [208.192.245.10]) by onyx.interactive.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24531 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sachs@localhost) by luddite.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id RAA02436; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:32:51 -0400 (EDT) To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Promise SCSIPlus? Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.101) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jay Sachs Date: 21 Jul 1997 17:32:46 -0400 Message-ID: <87vi24qef5.fsf@luddite.org> Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.64/XEmacs 19.15 X-Face: 6!-I&o^[[HP+0~O~}d2Zf@Pbof:|>j5^*W$QOR"&)JYcHT.@-"AhAXLg3vioV79Ri3JMp/a e3QD@Z$1Ot@'j1/A Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've heard this has the NCR 815 chip. Before I buy one, can anyone confirm whether or not and/or how well this card works (2.2-stable)? -Jay From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 21 15:00:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14527 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [207.170.114.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14520 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA11255; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:57:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19970721165740.46175@pmr.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:57:40 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Jay Sachs Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promise SCSIPlus? Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <87vi24qef5.fsf@luddite.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: <87vi24qef5.fsf@luddite.org>; from Jay Sachs on Mon, Jul 21, 1997 at 05:32:46PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, Jul 21, 1997 at 05:32:46PM -0400, Jay Sachs wrote: > > I've heard this has the NCR 815 chip. Before I buy one, can anyone > confirm whether or not and/or how well this card works (2.2-stable)? Should would fine. The 815 is an 810 with flash support. I have used them with FreeBSD w/o problems. -- Bob Willcox Deliberation, n.: The act of examining one's bread bob@luke.pmr.com to determine which side it is buttered on. Austin, TX -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 21 15:12:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15241 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15225 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-44.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA08329 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Jul 1997 00:11:54 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.6/8.6.9) id AAA11185; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 00:11:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 00:11:49 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Jay Sachs Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promise SCSIPlus? References: <87vi24qef5.fsf@luddite.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: <87vi24qef5.fsf@luddite.org>; from Jay Sachs on Mon, Jul 21, 1997 at 05:32:46PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jul 21, Jay Sachs wrote: > > I've heard this has the NCR 815 chip. Before I buy one, can anyone > confirm whether or not and/or how well this card works (2.2-stable)? I haven't used one myself, but the chip should definitely work. But I'd consider buying a 53c875 based card with 8bit SCSI bus, instead, since they seem to be offered for about the same price, today. (E.g. the Tekram DC390U or the Symbios Sym8750 fall into this class.) The 53c875 cards support Ultra SCSI and have a number of features not found in first generation NCR chips (well, the 815 is kind of second generation, already, but the 875 is much better :) Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 21 18:20:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA25104 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 18:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25097; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 18:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.6.10/8.6.5) id SAA01330; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 18:20:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 18:20:22 -0700 From: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" Message-Id: <199707220120.SAA01330@george.lbl.gov> To: sachs@interactive.net, se@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promise SCSIPlus? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk }On Jul 21, Jay Sachs wrote: }> }> I've heard this has the NCR 815 chip. Before I buy one, can anyone }> confirm whether or not and/or how well this card works (2.2-stable)? } }I haven't used one myself, but the chip should definitely work. }But I'd consider buying a 53c875 based card with 8bit SCSI bus, }instead, since they seem to be offered for about the same price, }today. (E.g. the Tekram DC390U or the Symbios Sym8750 fall into }this class.) } }The 53c875 cards support Ultra SCSI and have a number of features }not found in first generation NCR chips (well, the 815 is kind }of second generation, already, but the 875 is much better :) } }Regards, STefan Many 53c875 based cards may just come with 8-bit internal SCSI bus. I have some 53c825 based cards has 8-bit SCSI bus for both internal and external connectors. For buying new one, definitly, the 875 based card is the better choice. 825 works great if you do not need 40MB Tx rate. I believe this is supported under FreeBSD. I have not got 875 working at 40MB yet. It works as 825 right now. 810 and 815 are older generations. Price is $50 for 810/815 and $90-100 for 825/875. -Jin From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 22 03:05:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA20384 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wormhole.starfleet.gov (root@ppp6168.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA20373; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from voyager.starfleet.gov (voyager.starfleet.gov [192.160.60.3]) by wormhole.starfleet.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5-STARFLEET) with ESMTP id DAA13247; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:05:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (dburr@localhost) by voyager.starfleet.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA01181; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:05:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: voyager.starfleet.gov: dburr owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:05:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Burr X-Sender: dburr@voyager.starfleet.gov To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Some questions about FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been away from FreeBSD for a looong time (2.0.5 was the last version I worked with), but now I'm starting to regain interest. Someone gave me a 2.2.1 CD-ROM a few weeks ago, and just the other day, I picked up a 2.2.2 CD-ROM at a computer show. My goal is to junk what I am currently running (Linux) and run FreeBSD instead. But I have some questions and some concerns. Hopefully the wonderful people on this list can help me out by answering these. 1. One of the reasons why I have been running Linux is the fact that its PCMCIA support is much better, and in fact, Linux actually had PCMCIA support when FreeBSD did not. (One of the machines on my homebrew network is a laptop.) But I notice that FreeBSD's PCMCIA support seems to be improving. How good is the support in 2.2.2? 2. All of my other machines have fairly standard (i.e. fully supported) install media (CD-ROMs), except my Laptop. My laptop does have a SCSI CD-ROM (NEC 8x, uncertain of the model number), but my laptop doesn't have a built-in SCSI adapter. Yep -- you guessed it -- the SCSI adapter is a PCMCIA. I was looking at my older (2.2.1) CD-ROM and noticed the "boot-pao.flp" floppy image, which apparently allows you to install FreeBSD using PCMCIA media (ATAPI CD-ROMs, SCSI, etc.) But when I went to look for this on the 2.2.2 CD-ROM -- it wasn't there! All I found was the standard "boot.flp" is this capability no longer available, or is it built in to boot.flp? OR is it a separate package that I need to get somewhere else (if so, where?) 3. I'm not sure if my PCMCIA SCSI adapter is even supported. It is a New Media Toast'n'Jam (a combo SCSI/sound card), I believe it uses the "aha1520" (aic-something-or-other) driver. Can this controller be used with FreeBSD's PCMCIA support? 4. I also have a PCMCIA network adapter -- an IBM Home and Away. (This is a combo 10BaseT ethernet + 14.4 modem card -- I don't care about the 14.4 modem, because I have a USRobotics Sportster external). Is this card supported by the PCMCIA package, and if I need to, can I use it to do a network install (I can mount my FreeBSD CD-ROM on one of my desktop machines, after all). 5. Last question: I have been running Linux because of its "IP Masquerading" feature -- which allows a private (i.e. unlicensed) home network to share a single dial-up IP connection. Since we have only one phone line in the house, and sometimes two or three of us (yes, I have roomies) have to use the Internet at once to get e-mail, etc., we set up IP masquerading so that this is feasible. Now I hear that FreeBSD's usermode PPP (iijppp) supports an "-alias" flag that does something similar. Is anyone actually using this? How well does it work, and how does it compare to Linux's IP masquerading implementation? I would be most appreciative if someone could help me out by answering some (or all) of these questions in an E-mail to me. Thank you in advance for your assistance! 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From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 22 05:36:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA25531 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 05:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from extrouter.test.cdu.elektra.ru ([193.125.114.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA25453; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 05:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.cdu.ru (mailhub.cdu.ru [172.16.10.50]) by extrouter.test.cdu.elektra.ru (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA00334; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:34:59 +0400 (MSD) Received: from mailhub.cdu.ru (Win95.cdu.ru [172.16.2.10]) by mailhub.cdu.ru (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA00462; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:35:19 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <199707221235.QAA00462@mailhub.cdu.ru> From: "Win95" To: "FreeBSD bugs" , "FreeBSD current" , "FreeBSD hackers" , "FreeBSD hubs" , "FreeBSD hardware" , "FreeBSD isp" , "FreeBSD questions" , "FreeBSD security" Subject: I have a problem with Ethernet adapters! Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:27:08 +0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! I've installed the FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE on three PC (Gateway2000 P5-100) to make a Firewall. But there is something strange with my Ethernet adapters :-( There is my schema: | | | | x------------x | x------------x | <------X ext_router X-----X------X int_router X----X to my x------------x | x------------x | provider | | x----------x | X-------X mail_hub | | | x----------x | | | | x----------x | X-------X client | | x----------x | | All computers have FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE. ext_router and int_router have two Ethernet adapters: 3Com 3C900 and SMC 80xx. mail_hub have 3Com 3C509 Ethernet adapter. Now I try to describe my problem: When I try to download a file from ext_router to int_router via FTP, transfer rate is around 700 KBytes/sec. The same transfere rate is when I try to transfer a file from int_router to mail_hub or even from ext_router to mail_hub! But if only I try to UPLOAD a file from int_router to ext_router, then transfer rate is only around 200 KBytes/sec! ;-((((( I have only one question: WHY? There is output of command "ifconfig -a" on int_router: vx0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 193.125.114.36 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 193.125.114.63 ether 00:60:97:b5:f6:37 ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 172.16.10.35 netmask 0xffff0000 broadcast 172.16.255.255 ether 00:00:c0:50:6d:c3 lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 Maybe, a SIMPLEX flag is wrong? HELP ME! It's very important for me! If you answer me by email, it may be more fast! PS: I'm so sorry for my English :-( Yours sincerely, Pavel ----------------------------------------------------------- Pavel P. Zabortsev, software engineer CDO UPS of Russia Tel.: (095) 220-4513, 220-4350 E-mail: ppz@cdu.elektra.ru ppz@usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 22 06:55:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA29250 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 06:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TheWall.navcanada.ca (nc.navcanada.ca [207.216.54.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA29245 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 06:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatewaysrv.navcanada.ca (gatewaysrv.navcanada.ca [172.20.7.142]) by TheWall with SMTP (DuhMail/3.0) id JAA02800; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:49:53 -0400 Received: by gatewaysrv.navcanada.ca with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC9685.8C3B8920@gatewaysrv.navcanada.ca>; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:56:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Lu, Mark" To: "'freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: Compaq Neflex ethernet drivers for TI ThunderLAN chip;was RE:Integrated ethernet on Compaq Deskpro 6000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:47:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is anyone interested in writing or porting a device driver for Texas Instruments TLAN-based ethernet controllers (eg. Compaq Netflex), because TI has now released info on the chip on their website. There is also an Alpha driver available for it on Linux at ftp://ftp.caldera.com/pub/stuff/tlan-0.24.tar.gz How much work is involved in porting a device driver from Linux? Is this easier than starting from scratch? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:40:31 -0500 From: bill@tcada.state.tx.us (Bill Douglass) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Integrated ethernet on Compaq Deskpro 6000 I am trying to install FreeBSD (either 2.1.5R or 2.2-SNAP 101496) onto a Compaq Deskpro 6000, Adaptec Ultra SCSI 2940, integrated ethernet. This is a machine I am setting up for web service, so X11 is not an issue. I cannot get the boot floppies to recognize the on-board ethernet card (Netflex-3/P, PCI). Searching through the mailing-list archive led me to think I needed the Lnce driver (lnc0) so I set that up, using the config. that Win95 gave for the device's settings . No dice. The probes recognized the device as a Compaq network device, but has no driver installed - pci0:11: Compaq, device=0xae35, class=network (misc) int a irq 11 [no driver assigned] I appreciate any tips from those who have worked with the model. Thanks greatly. -- Bill Douglass, bill@tcada.state.tx.us (512) 349-6734 Network Administrator, Texas Commission on Alcohol & Drug Abuse "I dreamed I was to take a test, in a Dairy Queen, on another planet." L. Anderson > From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 22 12:27:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA21408 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21399 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-45.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA13943 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:27:29 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.6/8.6.9) id VAA14778; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:27:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:27:15 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: "Lu, Mark" Cc: Bill Douglass , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compaq Neflex ethernet drivers for TI ThunderLAN chip;was RE:Integrated ethernet on Compaq Deskpro 6000 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: ; from Lu, Mark on Tue, Jul 22, 1997 at 09:47:25AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jul 22, "Lu, Mark" wrote: > Is anyone interested in writing or porting a device driver for Texas > Instruments TLAN-based ethernet controllers (eg. Compaq Netflex), > because TI has now released info on the chip on their website. > There is also an Alpha driver available for it on Linux at > ftp://ftp.caldera.com/pub/stuff/tlan-0.24.tar.gz I'm not sure how special that Compaq Ethernet chip actually is, after all it still could be some variant of the Lance ... > How much work is involved in porting a device driver from Linux? Is > this easier than starting from scratch? You can at least look what's required to initialize the chip, what the interrupt handler got to check for, and how to read and write the chip's buffer or how to initiate bus-master transfers. You will have to add some BSD specific code, but you can find that in the other Ethernet drivers in FreeBSD :) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:40:31 -0500 > From: bill@tcada.state.tx.us (Bill Douglass) > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Integrated ethernet on Compaq Deskpro 6000 > > I am trying to install FreeBSD (either 2.1.5R or 2.2-SNAP 101496) onto a > Compaq Deskpro 6000, Adaptec Ultra SCSI 2940, integrated ethernet. This > is a machine I am setting up for web service, so X11 is not an issue. > > I cannot get the boot floppies to recognize the on-board ethernet card > (Netflex-3/P, PCI). Searching through the mailing-list archive led me > to think > I needed the Lnce driver (lnc0) so I set that up, using the config. that > Win95 gave for the device's settings . No dice. Could you please send me a verbose boot message log (i.e. enter "-v" at the "Boot: " prompt) ? You will find all the required information for the config there, and it is possible, that Win95 used different access methods to reach the chip registers (I assume that the chip's registers are mapped to both port I/O and memory address space, for example). I'm not sure I can suggest better parameters than you already tried, but we'll see ... :) > The probes recognized the device as a Compaq network device, but has no > driver installed - > > pci0:11: Compaq, device=0xae35, class=network (misc) int a irq 11 [no > driver assigned] This message will still be printed even if the "lnc0" port and irq config is set to appropriate values, since the ISA probe will then identify the card. You may want to try the following (naive) patch: Index: if_lnc_p.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sys/pci/if_lnc_p.c,v retrieving revision 1.1.2.1 diff -C2 -r1.1.2.1 if_lnc_p.c *** if_lnc_p.c 1997/04/04 16:48:12 1.1.2.1 --- if_lnc_p.c 1997/07/22 19:23:32 *************** *** 35,38 **** --- 35,39 ---- #define PCI_DEVICE_ID_PCNet_PCI 0x20001022 + #define PCI_DEVICE_ID_NetFlex_PCI 0xae350e11 extern void *lnc_attach_ne2100_pci __P((int unit, unsigned iobase)); *************** *** 59,62 **** --- 60,66 ---- case PCI_DEVICE_ID_PCNet_PCI: return ("PCNet/PCI Ethernet adapter"); + break; + case PCI_DEVICE_ID_NetFlex_PCI: + return ("NetFlex/PCI Ethernet adapter (experimental !!!)"); break; default: This may or may not work, I really don't know whether that Compaq NetFlex looks like a Lance at all :) Please let me know what you find! Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 22 14:06:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA28403 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 14:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28398 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 14:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-45.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA18251 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:02:41 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.6/8.6.9) id XAA15146; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:02:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:02:39 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: owner-crp@tssc.co.nz Subject: Re: Best Pentium / PPro References: <3.0.32.19970721101544.006c0e1c@mailhost> <199707211016.DAA20983@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: <199707211016.DAA20983@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU>; from Satoshi Asami on Mon, Jul 21, 1997 at 03:16:22AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Any comments with DIMM (10ns) vs EDO SIMM (60ns) memory, it seems like the * 10ns DIMM is not worth the extra money due to the PCI bus speed ?? Be careful with those numbers! The SDRAM modules are not *that* much faster than EDO, in reality. The reason is, that while the 60ns specified for "normal" DRAMs is the row access time (time from the row address being stable and clocked into the RAM chip) until data is available, while the 10ns in case of the SDRAM is the data rate at which you can read further values after waiting much longer (say 60ns :) for the first data to arrive ... In fact, SDRAM seems to allow 5-1-1-1 clock reads at 66MHz, while EDO-RAM needs 4-2-2-2. This means that on average 5% of the memory reads that are not covered by the secondary cache are going to take 8 instead of 10 clocks with SDRAM. You will see a difference, if your application accesses large blocks of memory (much more than fits into the cache). In typical system benchmarks (CPU bound) SDRAM seems to give at most a 1% to 2% improvement over EDO. Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 22 17:19:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09819 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.megamedia.pt (gatekeeper.megamedia.pt [194.79.67.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09799 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc_andre.megamedia.pt (pc24.megamedia.pt [194.79.67.24]) by gatekeeper.megamedia.pt (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA01711 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:19:17 +0100 (WEST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 01:16:29 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC9706.0C5AB380.Andre.Carvalho@megamedia.pt> From: André Esteves de Carvalho Reply-To: "Andre.Carvalho@megamedia.pt" To: "'freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: hard disk reading errors Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 01:16:28 +0100 Organization: MegaMedia, SA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id RAA09814 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, The disk of my freebsd 2.0.5 started to report this kind of errors: wds1e: hard error reading fsbn xxxxxx of xxxxx-xxxxx (wd1 bn xxxx; cn xxx tn xx sn xx)wd1:status 59 error 40 I am very worried since I have already lost some directories very important to me. I think the files are there but how can I recover them? I tried fsck but it seems to do nothing about bad blocks... Can anyone help me with a solution or at list a good description of what the error message fully means?? Thank you in advance. Please answer directly because I don't subscrive this list at the moment. André --------------------------------------------------------------- Andre' Esteves de Carvalho Gestor de Projecto / Project Manager Atenção: Nova morada, telefones e fax!!! MegaMedia, Solucoes Multimedia, SA Edif. Arroios, R. António Pedro 111, 1ºBC 1150 Lisboa, Portugal Tel: (+351 - 1) 317 22 60 Fax: (+351 - 1) 317 22 61 mailto:Andre.Carvalho@megamedia.pt http://www.megamedia.pt From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 22 19:29:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA17216 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA17199 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA04921; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:57:06 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707230227.LAA04921@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: hard disk reading errors In-Reply-To: <01BC9706.0C5AB380.Andre.Carvalho@megamedia.pt> from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Esteves_de_Carvalho?= at "Jul 23, 97 01:16:28 am" To: Andre.Carvalho@megamedia.pt Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:57:05 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk André Esteves de Carvalho stands accused of saying: > > The disk of my freebsd 2.0.5 started to report this kind of errors: > > wds1e: hard error reading fsbn xxxxxx of xxxxx-xxxxx (wd1 bn xxxx; cn xxx > tn xx sn xx)wd1:status 59 error 40 > > I am very worried since I have already lost some directories very important > to me. I think the files are there but how can I recover them? I tried fsck > but it seems to do nothing about bad blocks... > > Can anyone help me with a solution or at list a good description of what > the error message fully means?? You are experiencing hard, uncorrectable media errors on your second IDE disk. This basically means that you should be returning it under warranty, presuming it's still covered. The correct solution is to replace the disk and restore from your backups. Parts of the files are there, but recovering them is an _extremely_ difficult process. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 22 23:50:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29077 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29071 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA21069 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:51:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA04056 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:52:54 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:52:54 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199707230652.IAA04056@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: building RAID systems Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a pointer to a recipe to build up a RAID system? a) what controllers are there? b) can one build such systems of cheapo IDE drives? (with FreeBSD having control over it - of course) Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 00:50:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA02122 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA02117 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.6/8.7.3) id JAA21433; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:49:59 +0200 (MEST) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <199707230749.JAA21433@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <199707230652.IAA04056@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from Christoph Kukulies at "Jul 23, 97 08:52:54 am" To: kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Christoph Kukulies) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:49:59 +0200 (MEST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Christoph Kukulies who wrote: > > Does anyone have a pointer to a recipe to build up > a RAID system? > > a) what controllers are there? > > b) can one build such systems of cheapo IDE drives? > > (with FreeBSD having control over it - of course) You could put 4x7gigs EIDE drives on the two EIDE channels on a modern motherboard. The run CCD to concat them together to one 28gig drive :) I do this with two 4gig MAXTOR's, one on each channel of cause, works like a charm, and have given me 8gigs for US$ 500 .... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 01:37:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA04458 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 01:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA04451 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 01:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA22798; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:38:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA04559; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:40:15 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <19970723104014.09599@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:40:14 +0200 From: Christoph Kukulies To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= Cc: Christoph Kukulies , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: building RAID systems References: <199707230652.IAA04056@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <199707230749.JAA21433@sos.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75e In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C199707230749=2EJAA21433=40sos=2Efreebsd=2Edk=3E=3B_fro?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?m_S=F8ren_Schmidt_=3Csos=40sos=2Efreebsd=2Edk=3E_on_Wed?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=2C_Jul_23=2C_1997_at_09=3A49=3A59AM_+0200?= Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Jul 23, 1997 at 09:49:59AM +0200, Søren Schmidt wrote: > In reply to Christoph Kukulies who wrote: > > > > Does anyone have a pointer to a recipe to build up > > a RAID system? > > > > a) what controllers are there? > > > > b) can one build such systems of cheapo IDE drives? > > > > (with FreeBSD having control over it - of course) > > You could put 4x7gigs EIDE drives on the two EIDE channels on > a modern motherboard. The run CCD to concat them together to > one 28gig drive :) Thought of this, too, but this doesn't give me RAID advantages like hot swapping of media and 28 GB isn't enough, anyway :-) > > I do this with two 4gig MAXTOR's, one on each channel of cause, > works like a charm, and have given me 8gigs for US$ 500 .... I have a 3+3GB ccd drive on cvsup.de.freebsd.org myself using two (though slow) quantum 3GB scsi drives attached to ncr controllers and despite of occasional scsi command timeouts which I havn't tracked down yet, it's working nice. BTW, how does one increase an existing 6GB ccd drive on the fly' (I mean without backing up the data) ? (assumed answer: impossible) > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team > Even more code to hack -- will it ever end > .. -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 01:39:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA04556 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 01:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sinbin.demos.su (sinbin.demos.su [194.87.0.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA04551; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 01:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skraldespand.demos.su by sinbin.demos.su with ESMTP id MAA25764; (8.6.12/D) Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:38:12 +0400 Received: by skraldespand.demos.su id MAA09916; (8.8.5/D) Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:38:18 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19970723123817.47408@skraldespand.demos.su> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:38:17 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: hardware@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Pentium II/ Byte? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75 Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. 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Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, anyone has Bytebench results for Pentium II's at various frequency? -mishania From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 01:59:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA05382 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 01:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05377 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 01:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.6/8.7.3) id KAA21593; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:51:53 +0200 (MEST) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <199707230851.KAA21593@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <19970723104014.09599@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from Christoph Kukulies at "Jul 23, 97 10:40:14 am" To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:51:53 +0200 (MEST) Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Christoph Kukulies who wrote: > > > > You could put 4x7gigs EIDE drives on the two EIDE channels on > > a modern motherboard. The run CCD to concat them together to > > one 28gig drive :) > > Thought of this, too, but this doesn't give me RAID advantages > like hot swapping of media and 28 GB isn't enough, anyway :-) Nope, I guess you have to go for one of those RAID boxes then... > > I do this with two 4gig MAXTOR's, one on each channel of cause, > > works like a charm, and have given me 8gigs for US$ 500 .... > > I have a 3+3GB ccd drive on cvsup.de.freebsd.org myself using > two (though slow) quantum 3GB scsi drives attached to ncr controllers > and despite of occasional scsi command timeouts which I havn't > tracked down yet, it's working nice. BTW, how does one > increase an existing 6GB ccd drive on the fly' (I mean without > backing up the data) ? (assumed answer: impossible) Well its not impossible, just noone has written support for that yet :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 02:44:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA07187 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 02:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.uninet.ee (ns.uninet.ee [194.204.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07153 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 02:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (taavi@localhost) by ns.uninet.ee (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05378; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:29:55 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:29:54 +0300 (EET DST) From: Taavi Talvik To: Søren Schmidt cc: Christoph Kukulies , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <199707230851.KAA21593@sos.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Søren Schmidt wrote: > In reply to Christoph Kukulies who wrote: > > > > > > You could put 4x7gigs EIDE drives on the two EIDE channels on > > > a modern motherboard. The run CCD to concat them together to > > > one 28gig drive :) > > > > Thought of this, too, but this doesn't give me RAID advantages > > like hot swapping of media and 28 GB isn't enough, anyway :-) > > Nope, I guess you have to go for one of those RAID boxes then... There was recent announcement of DPT M3334{U,W,D} RAID Controller Driver. The driver is available, now from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net and from ftp-i.connect.net (ftp.i-connect.net ?) in the /crash directory. best regards, taavi ----------------------------------------------------------- Taavi Talvik | Internet: taavi@uninet.ee Unineti Andmeside AS | phone: +372 6405150 Ravala pst. 10-412 | fax: +372 6405151 EE0001, Tallinn, Estonia | From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 02:57:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA07674 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 02:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (wck-ca6-06.ix.netcom.com [199.35.213.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07669 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 02:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.6/8.6.9) id CAA21947; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 02:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 02:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707230955.CAA21947@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de CC: sos@sos.freebsd.dk, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <19970723104014.09599@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> (message from Christoph Kukulies on Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:40:14 +0200) Subject: Re: building RAID systems From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * tracked down yet, it's working nice. BTW, how does one * increase an existing 6GB ccd drive on the fly' (I mean without * backing up the data) ? (assumed answer: impossible) ccd has no problem with that. But the filesystem you are running almost certainly won't allow you to do that. :) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 05:41:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA14344 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 05:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14338 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 05:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA26773; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:42:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA05619; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:43:57 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <19970723144357.32066@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:43:57 +0200 From: Christoph Kukulies To: Satoshi Asami Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: building RAID systems References: <19970723104014.09599@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <199707230955.CAA21947@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75e In-Reply-To: <199707230955.CAA21947@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU>; from Satoshi Asami on Wed, Jul 23, 1997 at 02:55:40AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Jul 23, 1997 at 02:55:40AM -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * tracked down yet, it's working nice. BTW, how does one > * increase an existing 6GB ccd drive on the fly' (I mean without > * backing up the data) ? (assumed answer: impossible) > > ccd has no problem with that. But the filesystem you are running > almost certainly won't allow you to do that. :) Yes, that's what I meant, of course :-). > > Satoshi -- --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 08:03:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA22493 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22453; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 166.72.151.198 (slip166-72-151-198.nd.us.ibm.net [166.72.151.198]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA52760; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:02:49 GMT Message-ID: <33D61D15.AA791100@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:02:47 -0500 From: Jay Erickson Reply-To: Jay.Erickson@ibm.net Organization: Life X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG CC: Mark Dawson , brian@ibm.net, Tao@gate.sinica.ed Subject: Compaq's Built in SCSI X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I searched the archives and didn't find a definitive answer. I want to install FreeBSD on a couple of Compaq Proliant 1000's with the built in SCSI controller or Compaq's Smart SCSI controller. The Installer kernel doesn't seem to recognize either. Please help give me some driver help or at least point me in the right direction. TIA Jay.Erickson@IBM.net erickson@Nserver.grandforks.af.mil <-- My reliable FreeBSD box From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 08:13:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA23375 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA23351 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id IAA06061; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:41:56 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id LAA02476; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:12:03 -0400 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA18710; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:12:02 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA06339; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:11:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:11:54 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Message-Id: <199707231511.KAA06339@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Cc: sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: building RAID systems References: <199707230652.IAA04056@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <199707230749.JAA21433@sos.freebsd.dk> <19970723104014.09599@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Christoph Kukulies on Wed, 23 July: : > > a) what controllers are there? Mylex makes a SCSI RAID controller for <$1000 to start. : > > b) can one build such systems of cheapo IDE drives? I wish. SCSI is hopeless these days. About 3-5x the price of IDE. : [ccd] : : Thought of this, too, but this doesn't give me RAID advantages : like hot swapping of media and 28 GB isn't enough, anyway :-) Use ccd to cat multiple Mylex subsystems, and you do get RAID advantages. But the $/GB is a lot higher. : BTW, how does one : increase an existing 6GB ccd drive on the fly' (I mean without : backing up the data) ? (assumed answer: impossible) Nothing is impossible when it's just software. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 08:50:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25835 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.88.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25813; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from md@ruby.dcs.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.88.139]; by hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.5/S-4.0) with ESMTP; id QAA01629; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:50:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from md@localhost; by ruby.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4/C-3.2); id QAA02371; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:50:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from Messages.8.5.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.ruby.cs.qmw.ac.uk.sun4.41 via MS.5.6.ruby.cs.qmw.ac.uk.sun4_41; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:49:59 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:49:59 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Dawson To: "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, Jay.Erickson@ibm.net Subject: Re: Compaq's Built in SCSI CC: brian@ibm.net, Tao@gate.sinica.ed In-Reply-To: <33D61D15.AA791100@ibm.net> References: <33D61D15.AA791100@ibm.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I want to install FreeBSD on a couple of Compaq Proliant 1000's with the > built in SCSI controller or Compaq's Smart SCSI controller. The > Installer kernel doesn't seem to recognize either. See for a boot floppy image and a kernel for FreeBSD-2.2.2 that should recognise the Smart and Smart-2 controllers on your Compaq box. Please see the README at the above location for further details and let me know how you get on as its not been tested on a ProLiant 1000 before. Regards, Mark From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 08:59:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26681 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26674 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id BAA09859; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 01:28:43 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707231558.BAA09859@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <199707231511.KAA06339@compound.east.sun.com> from Tony Kimball at "Jul 23, 97 10:11:54 am" To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 01:28:43 +0930 (CST) Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tony Kimball stands accused of saying: > > I wish. SCSI is hopeless these days. About 3-5x the price > of IDE. Actually, you should go back and look at what SCSI drive prices are doing at the moment. I can get a 5400 RPM 4GB ultra scsi IBM disk for less than 30% more than the corresponding IDE model. IBM's pricing is pretty keen at the moment. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 09:24:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28031 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28019 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wr46J-0002sN-00; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:17:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:17:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Tony Kimball cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <199707231511.KAA06339@compound.east.sun.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 10:02:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00264 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00246 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07673; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:00:18 -0700 (PDT) To: Michael Smith cc: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Jul 1997 01:28:43 +0930." <199707231558.BAA09859@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:00:18 -0700 Message-ID: <7669.869677218@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Actually, you should go back and look at what SCSI drive prices are > doing at the moment. I can get a 5400 RPM 4GB ultra scsi IBM disk for > less than 30% more than the corresponding IDE model. IBM's pricing is > pretty keen at the moment. I think the original poster's comments are still well taken, and we need to keep supporting SCSI so that we can get the price/perf ratio back on our side of the fence! ;-). For example, I was pretty flabbergasted to see the following prices at the Price Club yesterday (a local superstore which buys things in bulk and sells them to members, "things" being everything from computers and russian night-vision devices to Kayaks and wood burning stoves): IDE 6.1 GB drive: $549 IDE 3.6 GB drive: $340 If Joe Blow is looking for capacity over speed, it's hard to see how he'll be able to resist deals like that in favor of SCSI options. Sigh. :-( Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 10:08:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00563 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00558 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id CAA10431; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 02:37:29 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707231707.CAA10431@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <7669.869677218@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jul 23, 97 10:00:18 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 02:37:29 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > I think the original poster's comments are still well taken, and we > need to keep supporting SCSI so that we can get the price/perf ratio > back on our side of the fence! ;-). I should have posted the comparo I did with sef as a followon to this. > For example, I was pretty flabbergasted to see the following prices at > the Price Club yesterday (a local superstore which buys things in bulk > and sells them to members, "things" being everything from computers > and russian night-vision devices to Kayaks and wood burning stoves): > > IDE 6.1 GB drive: $549 > IDE 3.6 GB drive: $340 > > If Joe Blow is looking for capacity over speed, it's hard to see how > he'll be able to resist deals like that in favor of SCSI options. Well, as I was saying, the 4GB ultra-SCSI IBM is AUD$533 (ex) here, or US$373. That's gotta count as "pretty cheap", hmm? That's from a mainstream distributor, too. Quantity-one pricing. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 10:14:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00834 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00829 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id KAA04245; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:41:41 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id NAA13198; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:11:46 -0400 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA23070; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:11:45 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA06690; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:11:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:11:35 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Message-Id: <199707231711.MAA06690@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Cc: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: building RAID systems References: <199707231511.KAA06339@compound.east.sun.com> <199707231558.BAA09859@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Michael Smith on Thu, 24 July: : Tony Kimball stands accused of saying: : > : > I wish. SCSI is hopeless these days. About 3-5x the price : > of IDE. : : Actually, you should go back and look at what SCSI drive prices are : doing at the moment. I can get a 5400 RPM 4GB ultra scsi IBM disk for : less than 30% more than the corresponding IDE model. IBM's pricing is : pretty keen at the moment. This 'corresponding IDE model' argument has been used before. I find it utterly specious. There is no SCSI model which corresponds to the IDE disk drives I actually buy. I know that can buy a 6.4G 3.5" Seagate for ~$350. The closest match I know in SCSI is a Micropolis 8.7G for $1300. That's one big gap. If you know of a 3.5" SCSI drive offering >5G which is competetive in price with the Seagate drive, I'd like to know, because I'd like to buy it. I have been hoping for a long time that things would change, that SCSI drives would come in line with IDE price/performance. Instead, the situation is getting worse and worse. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 10:29:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01544 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01539 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id KAA07567; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:56:07 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id NAA14325; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:26:11 -0400 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA23859; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:26:09 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA06775; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:25:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:25:55 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Message-Id: <199707231725.MAA06775@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: building RAID systems References: <7669.869677218@time.cdrom.com> <199707231707.CAA10431@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Michael Smith on Thu, 24 July: : : Well, as I was saying, the 4GB ultra-SCSI IBM is AUD$533 (ex) here, or : US$373. That's gotta count as "pretty cheap", hmm? : That is competetive -- although yet premium for capacity, I'm more than willing to pay that much for the performance. I hope this price shows up in my searches soon! So far the best price I've seen on this drive is $478. I just found that because I did a search, prompted by your posting. (Thanks!) Now let's talk cables. I find IDE cables washed up on the beach in piles. A UW cable costs me $29-$79 from CSC... Passing fair IDE controllers are mandatory (you pay for them whether you want them or not). A decent SCSI controller is another $200, discretionary. So, suppose that I am starting from scratch... I can add 6.4G to my system for $350, or else I can spend $30 + $200 + $478 = $708 and get 4.3G for my trouble. Now this equation does not apply to me personally, because I already have more than enough SCSI controllers to go around, but surely you can see how this argument can easily prove persuasive to the new system builder. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 10:45:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02519 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02510 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id DAA10653; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 03:14:55 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707231744.DAA10653@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <199707231711.MAA06690@compound.east.sun.com> from Tony Kimball at "Jul 23, 97 12:11:35 pm" To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 03:14:55 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tony Kimball stands accused of saying: > : Actually, you should go back and look at what SCSI drive prices are > : doing at the moment. I can get a 5400 RPM 4GB ultra scsi IBM disk for > : less than 30% more than the corresponding IDE model. IBM's pricing is > : pretty keen at the moment. > > This 'corresponding IDE model' argument has been used before. I find > it utterly specious. In this particular case, the two units have the same chamber assembly and share about half the logic on the PWA. I would be inclined to say that this qualifies as "corresponding IDE model". > I have been hoping for a long time that things would change, that > SCSI drives would come in line with IDE price/performance. Instead, > the situation is getting worse and worse. In general, this has been the case. My point is simply that there are some indications that this is changing. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 10:51:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02831 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02824 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07949; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:48:58 -0700 (PDT) To: Michael Smith cc: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Jul 1997 02:37:29 +0930." <199707231707.CAA10431@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:48:58 -0700 Message-ID: <7945.869680138@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, as I was saying, the 4GB ultra-SCSI IBM is AUD$533 (ex) here, or > US$373. That's gotta count as "pretty cheap", hmm? Yes. I want two of them. Where can I get these prices around here? ;) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 10:54:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03028 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03011 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.6/8.7.3) id TAA12475; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:53:25 +0200 (MEST) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <199707231753.TAA12475@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <7669.869677218@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jul 23, 97 10:00:18 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:53:25 +0200 (MEST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who wrote: > > Actually, you should go back and look at what SCSI drive prices are > > doing at the moment. I can get a 5400 RPM 4GB ultra scsi IBM disk for > > less than 30% more than the corresponding IDE model. IBM's pricing is > > pretty keen at the moment. > > I think the original poster's comments are still well taken, and we > need to keep supporting SCSI so that we can get the price/perf ratio > back on our side of the fence! ;-). > > For example, I was pretty flabbergasted to see the following prices at > the Price Club yesterday (a local superstore which buys things in bulk > and sells them to members, "things" being everything from computers > and russian night-vision devices to Kayaks and wood burning stoves): > > IDE 6.1 GB drive: $549 > IDE 3.6 GB drive: $340 Hmm, here in DK land you get a 4GB for US$ 320, 7GB for US$ 520, both quantity 1. This is normal shop prices. > If Joe Blow is looking for capacity over speed, it's hard to see how > he'll be able to resist deals like that in favor of SCSI options. > > Sigh. :-( Amen.., but for a single user system EIDE drives works pretty well.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 11:06:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03743 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03737 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id DAA10825; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 03:35:27 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707231805.DAA10825@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <199707231753.TAA12475@sos.freebsd.dk> from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= at "Jul 23, 97 07:53:25 pm" To: sos@sos.freebsd.dk (Søren Schmidt) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 03:35:27 +0930 (CST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Søren Schmidt stands accused of saying: > > > If Joe Blow is looking for capacity over speed, it's hard to see how > > he'll be able to resist deals like that in favor of SCSI options. > > > > Sigh. :-( > > Amen.., but for a single user system EIDE drives works pretty well.... This is very very true. When I had blown my personal budget buying P6 bits I resigned myself to the 3GB IBM DAQA 33240. I haven't been disappointed. > Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 11:25:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05061 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (root@persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05052 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id NAA07299; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:20:45 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007286; Wed Jul 23 14:20:19 1997 Message-ID: <33D64B67.EF15E653@persprog.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:20:23 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Smith CC: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: building RAID systems X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199707231558.BAA09859@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > Actually, you should go back and look at what SCSI drive prices are > doing at the moment. I can get a 5400 RPM 4GB ultra scsi IBM disk for > less than 30% more than the corresponding IDE model. IBM's pricing is > pretty keen at the moment. Yeah! What he said! Additionally, IDE's and SCSI's are usually not equivalent in base performance and capacity specs. The highest RPM IDE I know of is 5400 RPM (with typical being 4500-4800) while the fastest SCSI is 10000 RPM (with typical being 5400-7200). The biggest IDE is now 7GB - SCSI is at least 9GB (and possibly more). SCSI's usually have bigger caches as well. IDE's are good for workstation apps but for data intensive server work (or data intensive workstation work) SCSI is a better way to go. That being said, I heard of somebody making an IDE RAID box - this may be OK since the relatively poor performance of the individual disks may be masked in the performance advantage of a hardware RAID virtual disk. All of the usual advantages of SCSI could be implemented in the RAID controller itself. Of course the price of the controller may offset the savings on the drives. One more thing - has anyone noticed when one of the trade rags tests CPU usage on CRROM drives a funny thing happens - IDE CDROMs take 80% or more CPU while SCSIs take less than 20% when reading? While we're completely off the subject - how did these manufacturers coerce a CD-R drive into working on an IDE bus? I noticed that every one of these drives for sale in one catalog had a "special" IDE controller. What is this all about? Thank you for tolerating my unsolicited rant :-) -- It's not my fault! It's some guy named "General Protection"! --Ratbert David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 11:25:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05104 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05086 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.6/8.7.3) id UAA24871; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:24:29 +0200 (MEST) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <199707231824.UAA24871@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <199707231805.DAA10825@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Jul 24, 97 03:35:27 am" To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:24:28 +0200 (MEST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Michael Smith who wrote: > Søren Schmidt stands accused of saying: > > > > > If Joe Blow is looking for capacity over speed, it's hard to see how > > > he'll be able to resist deals like that in favor of SCSI options. > > > > > > Sigh. :-( > > > > Amen.., but for a single user system EIDE drives works pretty well.... > > This is very very true. When I had blown my personal budget buying P6 > bits I resigned myself to the 3GB IBM DAQA 33240. I haven't been > disappointed. Well, I have two 4G EIDE Maxtors on my P6 :), when I get the bus master DMA going, it'll be a tough bunch to beat... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 11:30:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05465 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05459 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id DAA10986; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 03:59:22 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707231829.DAA10986@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <199707231824.UAA24871@sos.freebsd.dk> from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= at "Jul 23, 97 08:24:28 pm" To: sos@sos.freebsd.dk (Søren Schmidt) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 03:59:21 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jkh@time.cdrom.com, Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Søren Schmidt stands accused of saying: > > > > This is very very true. When I had blown my personal budget buying P6 > > bits I resigned myself to the 3GB IBM DAQA 33240. I haven't been > > disappointed. > > Well, I have two 4G EIDE Maxtors on my P6 :), when I get the bus master > DMA going, it'll be a tough bunch to beat... Swine! Actually, speaking of IDE on P6en, it has been mentioned that P6's do PIO very poorly. Is it possible to memory-map the IDE I/O registers in the PIIX chip? -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 11:45:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06386 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06381 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA14299; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:45:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:45:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199707231845.MAA14299@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jkh@time.cdrom.com, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <199707231725.MAA06775@compound.east.sun.com> References: <7669.869677218@time.cdrom.com> <199707231707.CAA10431@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> <199707231725.MAA06775@compound.east.sun.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Passing fair IDE controllers are mandatory (you pay for them whether > you want them or not). A decent SCSI controller is another $200, > discretionary. Naw, get a NCR card for < $100. Compare an NCR 810 to an IDE controller, and they're pretty close. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 11:50:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06608 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06603 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.6/8.7.3) id UAA02813; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:49:56 +0200 (MEST) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <199707231849.UAA02813@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <199707231829.DAA10986@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Jul 24, 97 03:59:21 am" To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:49:56 +0200 (MEST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jkh@time.cdrom.com, Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Michael Smith who wrote: > Søren Schmidt stands accused of saying: > > > > > > This is very very true. When I had blown my personal budget buying P6 > > > bits I resigned myself to the 3GB IBM DAQA 33240. I haven't been > > > disappointed. > > > > Well, I have two 4G EIDE Maxtors on my P6 :), when I get the bus master > > DMA going, it'll be a tough bunch to beat... > > Swine! Actually, speaking of IDE on P6en, it has been mentioned that > P6's do PIO very poorly. Is it possible to memory-map the IDE I/O > registers in the PIIX chip? I don't think so, but its been a while since I read the docs, so I could be wrong. Thats another good reason for going to DMA :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 13:21:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11845 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from golem.belabm.by (root@[194.226.122.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11772; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scaner.belabm.by (scaner@scaner.belabm.by [194.226.122.179]) by golem.belabm.by (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA27054; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:19:42 +0300 Message-ID: <33D667CB.77CC152B@belabm.by> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:21:31 +0300 From: Eugene Vedistchev Reply-To: scaner@belabm.by Organization: Global One in Belarus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Esser CC: "Lu, Mark" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compaq Neflex ethernet drivers for TI ThunderLAN chip;was RE:Integrated ethernet on Compaq Deskpro 6000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19970722212715.17259@mi.uni-koeln.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk AFAIK, there is such situation: There was many NetFlex models of network controllers NetFlex-L : onboard ethernet controller made on AMD PCnet chip (on which was built NE2100 card) built-in on old DeskPro's XL, Prosignia VS, 200, 300 and 500 FreeBSD driver - lnc0 NetFlex-3 P/E : Old P-PCI/E-EISA controller, was made when Compaq have not Netelligent division. Have module architechture based on TI ThunderLAN chip and removable media adapters for 10BASE-T 100VG and 100BASE-TX (one at once) Supplied on Proliant 1500, 4500 and 5000 servers and separately FreeBSD driver - not available yet Netflex-2 Dual Port controller based on TI TLAN chips too; rare thing FreeBSD driver - not available yet Latest Netelligent solutions built in Deskpro 4000, 6000, Proliant 800 , 850R, 2500, 6000 Same based on TI TLAN chip, available as onboard, and PCI card options. FreeBSD driver - not available yet The main thing that all Compaq boards based on TI TLAN in use the same set drivers. i.e. possible to use 1.5 year old drivers under NW or NT for latest boards without any probs. Stefan Esser wrote: > > On Jul 22, "Lu, Mark" wrote: > > Is anyone interested in writing or porting a device driver for Texas > > Instruments TLAN-based ethernet controllers (eg. Compaq Netflex), > > because TI has now released info on the chip on their website. > > There is also an Alpha driver available for it on Linux at > > ftp://ftp.caldera.com/pub/stuff/tlan-0.24.tar.gz > > I'm not sure how special that Compaq Ethernet chip actually is, > after all it still could be some variant of the Lance ... > > > How much work is involved in porting a device driver from Linux? Is > > this easier than starting from scratch? > > You can at least look what's required to initialize the chip, > what the interrupt handler got to check for, and how to read > and write the chip's buffer or how to initiate bus-master > transfers. > > You will have to add some BSD specific code, but you can find > that in the other Ethernet drivers in FreeBSD :) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:40:31 -0500 > > From: bill@tcada.state.tx.us (Bill Douglass) > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Integrated ethernet on Compaq Deskpro 6000 > > > > I am trying to install FreeBSD (either 2.1.5R or 2.2-SNAP 101496) > onto a > > Compaq Deskpro 6000, Adaptec Ultra SCSI 2940, integrated ethernet. > This > > is a machine I am setting up for web service, so X11 is not an > issue. > > > > I cannot get the boot floppies to recognize the on-board ethernet > card > > (Netflex-3/P, PCI). Searching through the mailing-list archive led > me > > to think > > I needed the Lnce driver (lnc0) so I set that up, using the config. > that > > Win95 gave for the device's settings . No dice. > > Could you please send me a verbose boot message log (i.e. > enter "-v" at the "Boot: " prompt) ? > > You will find all the required information for the config > there, and it is possible, that Win95 used different access > methods to reach the chip registers (I assume that the chip's > registers are mapped to both port I/O and memory address space, > for example). I'm not sure I can suggest better parameters > than you already tried, but we'll see ... :) > > > The probes recognized the device as a Compaq network device, but has > no > > driver installed - > > > > pci0:11: Compaq, device=0xae35, class=network (misc) int a irq 11 > [no > > driver assigned] > > This message will still be printed even if the "lnc0" port > and irq config is set to appropriate values, since the ISA > probe will then identify the card. You may want to try the > following (naive) patch: > > > This may or may not work, I really don't know whether that > Compaq NetFlex looks like a Lance at all :) > > Please let me know what you find! > > Regards, STefan WBR, Eugene PS. Sorry fro bad english ;) From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 15:23:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19249 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nirvana.genesyslab.com (nirvana.genesyslab.com [204.94.142.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19239 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dao.genesyslab.com (Dao.genesyslab.com [204.94.142.146]) by nirvana.genesyslab.com (Guinness/Extra Stout) with ESMTP id PAA13250 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dk@localhost) by dao.genesyslab.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA02572; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970723152301.07199@genesyslab.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:23:01 -0700 From: Dmitry Kohmanyuk To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: gus ISA pnp, 2.2-STABLE - doesn't work Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69e X-OS-of-the-Day: FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE X-Test: (browser detected) X-Home-URL: http://zen.genesyslab.com/~dk/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have installed GUS PnP (ISA) in my workstation. I am running 2.2-STABLE (make world past 2.2.2-RELEASE). I cannot get neither playback nor recording to work. dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE #1: Fri Jul 18 02:35:25 PDT 1997 dk@dao.genesyslab.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/ZEN CPU: Pentium (166.19-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 Features=0x1bf real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 62390272 (60928K bytes) DEVFS: ready for devices Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 1 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 1 on pci0:7:0 chip2 rev 0 on pci0:7:1 ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 10 on pci0:13 ahc0: aic7870 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (ahc0:0:0): "SEAGATE ST32155N 0532" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 2049MB (4197405 512 byte sectors) sd0(ahc0:0:0): with 4177 cyls, 8 heads, and an average 125 sectors/track (ahc0:1:0): "SEAGATE ST15230N 0638" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(ahc0:1:0): Direct-Access 4095MB (8386733 512 byte sectors) sd1(ahc0:1:0): with 3992 cyls, 19 heads, and an average 110 sectors/track (ahc0:5:0): "TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-5401TA 3605" type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0(ahc0:5:0): CD-ROM cd present [355160 x 2048 byte records] (ahc0:6:0): "PLEXTOR CD-ROM PX-4XCS 1.01" type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd1(ahc0:6:0): CD-ROM cd present [201117 x 2048 byte records] de0 rev 18 int a irq 9 on pci0:14 de0: DE500-XA 21140 [10-100Mb/s] pass 1.2 de0: address 00:00:f8:30:93:a2 de0: enabling 10baseT port vga0 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci0:15 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 not found at 0x300 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface psm0 not found at 0x60 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in bt0 not found at 0x330 npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface sb0 not found at 0x220 gus0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa gus0: DEVFS: ready to run IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, logging disabled WARNING: / was not properly dismounted. cd0(ahc0:5:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:24,0 Invalid field in CDB sks:c0,7 cd0(ahc0:5:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present isa_dmastart: channel 1 busy Sound: DMA timed out - IRQ/DRQ config error? the last 2 messages are when I type `cat /bin/sh > /dev/audio' and `cat < /dev/audio', respectively. I have 2 Mb installed in it (2 1M SIMMs, 60ns). I have started DOS program from floppy disk and it shows me menu with options to disable and enable, all is enabled except ATAPI interface. Any thoughts? Is there any GUS PnP support in 2.2 at all? From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 16:14:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21810 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA21788; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13974; Wed, 23 Jul 97 19:12:47 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA17889; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:10:35 -0400 Message-Id: <19970723191035.04021@ct.picker.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:10:35 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Dmitry Kohmanyuk Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gus ISA pnp, 2.2-STABLE - doesn't work References: <19970723152301.07199@genesyslab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76 In-Reply-To: <19970723152301.07199@genesyslab.com>; from Dmitry Kohmanyuk on Wed, Jul 23, 1997 at 03:23:01PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Forwarding this over to the multimedia list where you're more likely to find some help). I have a Sound Blaster 32 myself so I can't speak from experience, but Amancio Hasty's added GUS PnP support to a Voxware 3.5 revision of the sound driver. In fact, the multimedia group is in the process of beating on this latest driver on all soundcards to do a wholesale replacement/upgrade of the driver checked into 3.0-current. The driver also builds/runs on 2.2.1+ as well -- I can attest to that. A few kinks in the sound code for SB cards still, but those are being worked through. Anyway, the URL (Amancio's FTP site): ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/guspnp12.tar.gz And feel free to post any comments/questions to the multimedia list regarding the sound driver (which is the current hot topic on the list) and your sure to get replies. Hope this helps. Randall Hopper Dmitry Kohmanyuk: |I have installed GUS PnP (ISA) in my workstation. |I am running 2.2-STABLE (make world past 2.2.2-RELEASE). | |I cannot get neither playback nor recording to work. | |dmesg: ... |gus0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa |gus0: ... |isa_dmastart: channel 1 busy |Sound: DMA timed out - IRQ/DRQ config error? | |the last 2 messages are when I type `cat /bin/sh > /dev/audio' and |`cat < /dev/audio', respectively. | |I have 2 Mb installed in it (2 1M SIMMs, 60ns). | |I have started DOS program from floppy disk and it shows me menu with |options to disable and enable, all is enabled except ATAPI interface. | |Any thoughts? | |Is there any GUS PnP support in 2.2 at all? From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 16:15:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21898 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (ken@[206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21877 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ken@localhost) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26578; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:14:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Kenneth Merry Message-Id: <199707232314.RAA26578@pluto.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: gus ISA pnp, 2.2-STABLE - doesn't work In-Reply-To: <19970723152301.07199@genesyslab.com> from Dmitry Kohmanyuk at "Jul 23, 97 03:23:01 pm" To: dk@genesyslab.com (Dmitry Kohmanyuk) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:14:52 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have installed GUS PnP (ISA) in my workstation. > I am running 2.2-STABLE (make world past 2.2.2-RELEASE). > > I cannot get neither playback nor recording to work. [ ... dmesg output ... ] > the last 2 messages are when I type `cat /bin/sh > /dev/audio' and > `cat < /dev/audio', respectively. > > I have 2 Mb installed in it (2 1M SIMMs, 60ns). > > I have started DOS program from floppy disk and it shows me menu with > options to disable and enable, all is enabled except ATAPI interface. > > Any thoughts? > > Is there any GUS PnP support in 2.2 at all? Well, the latest code isn't in 2.2 or -current. Amancio Hasty has a beta version of his sound driver that works quite well with my GUS PnP Pro. The URL is: ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/guspnp12.tar.gz Download that file, and replace /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/sound with the sound directory from that tarball. Your config line for your GUS should look like this: device gus0 at isa? vector gusintr The driver is generally only built and tested under 3.0-current, but some folks have reported success using it under 2.2-STABLE. In any case, my guess is that if it doesn't compile or work under 2.2, it shouldn't be too hard to get it working.. You probably also will want to subscribe to the FreeBSD-multimedia list. (send mail to majordomo@freebsd.org with 'subscribe freebsd-multimedia' in the body of the message) Most of the people working on and using the sound driver are on that list. Hope this helps, Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 16:34:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22936 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.tbe.net (qmailr@lightning.tbe.net [208.208.122.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22923 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23613 invoked by uid 1010); 23 Jul 1997 23:28:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:28:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Michael Smith , Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <7669.869677218@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > IDE 6.1 GB drive: $549 > IDE 3.6 GB drive: $340 > > If Joe Blow is looking for capacity over speed, it's hard to see how > he'll be able to resist deals like that in favor of SCSI options. > > Sigh. :-( > > Jordan Actually, if you scour around for prices, I have found that at some online auctions, if you catch it right, they have pretty decent deals on certain equip. (granted, most of the stuff is normal everyday run-of-the-mill, and a lot of it is used). I found one that has a rather large supply of IBM OEM SCSI-II drives (some narrow, some wide), and the going price is around $700 for a 9.1 Gb drive. Compared to the $550 for 6.1 Gb up there, that isn't bad at all. Point in case though, personally. I had a 1-Gb SCSI Seagate in my personal machine, but 'donated' it to the company when I got a 2.5 Gb IDE for $160 and a 3.1 Gb for $190 (the only problem is now i don't know what to do with all the room ;) ) The price I paid for the amount of space I got, I couldn't pass it up. Especially because it now allows me to dedicate drives, not just partitions to different O.S.'s (and if anyone knows where I could find decent accounting software for FreeBSD, I could stick an M-80 under the Win95 drive and see where _it_ wants to go today.) Don't get me wrong, I love the spped, reliability and ease of use of SCSI devices, but nowadays when you compare the extra money for most devices to the amount of moths flying out of the wallet, the moths usually win. Just my $.02 -Gary Margiotta TBE Internet Services http://www.tbe.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 19:12:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA00769 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00750; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08322; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707240212.TAA08322@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Dmitry Kohmanyuk cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gus ISA pnp, 2.2-STABLE - doesn't work In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:10:35 EDT." <19970723191035.04021@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:12:49 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tnks Randall for forwarding the request to the multimedia mailing list. The gus pnp pro is supported . To configure your sound card using the guspnp sound driver which is really the linux sound 3.5 plus enhancements: controller snd0 device gus0 at isa? vector gusintr If the pnp initialization fails: controller snd0 device gus0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 11 drq 5 flags 0x7 vector gusintr Well, you have to chose your port, irq and dma channels As Ranall mentioned the latest sound driver is at: ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/guspnp12.tar.gz Our goal is to submit the driver to 3.0 -current as soon as the driver is fully stabilized for non gus cards . Additionally , Luigi is leading the effort to completly re-vamp the sound driver. Enjoy, Amancio >From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : > (Forwarding this over to the multimedia list where you're more likely to > find some help). > > I have a Sound Blaster 32 myself so I can't speak from experience, but > Amancio Hasty's added GUS PnP support to a Voxware 3.5 revision of the > sound driver. In fact, the multimedia group is in the process of beating > on this latest driver on all soundcards to do a wholesale > replacement/upgrade of the driver checked into 3.0-current. The driver > also builds/runs on 2.2.1+ as well -- I can attest to that. A few kinks in > the sound code for SB cards still, but those are being worked through. > > Anyway, the URL (Amancio's FTP site): > > ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/guspnp12.tar.gz > > And feel free to post any comments/questions to the multimedia list > regarding the sound driver (which is the current hot topic on the list) and > your sure to get replies. > > Hope this helps. > > Randall Hopper > > > Dmitry Kohmanyuk: > |I have installed GUS PnP (ISA) in my workstation. > |I am running 2.2-STABLE (make world past 2.2.2-RELEASE). > | > |I cannot get neither playback nor recording to work. > | > |dmesg: > ... > |gus0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa > |gus0: > ... > |isa_dmastart: channel 1 busy > |Sound: DMA timed out - IRQ/DRQ config error? > | > |the last 2 messages are when I type `cat /bin/sh > /dev/audio' and > |`cat < /dev/audio', respectively. > | > |I have 2 Mb installed in it (2 1M SIMMs, 60ns). > | > |I have started DOS program from floppy disk and it shows me menu with > |options to disable and enable, all is enabled except ATAPI interface. > | > |Any thoughts? > | > |Is there any GUS PnP support in 2.2 at all? From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 19:45:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA02269 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02247 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nexgen.hiwaay.net by fly.HiWAAY.net; (8.8.5/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-1003PM) id VAA31567; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:44:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nexgen (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nexgen.hiwaay.net (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA09576; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:25:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199707240025.TAA09576@nexgen.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: dave@persprog.com cc: Michael Smith , Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: dkelly@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-reply-to: Message from Dave Alderman of "Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:20:23 EDT." <33D64B67.EF15E653@persprog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:25:15 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > dave@persprog.com wrote: > [snip] > SCSI is 10000 RPM (with typical being 5400-7200). The biggest > IDE is now 7GB - SCSI is at least 9GB (and possibly more). SCSI's Seagate has a 23G 5-1/4" drive now. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 19:46:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA02326 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02311 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nexgen.hiwaay.net by fly.HiWAAY.net; (8.8.5/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-1003PM) id VAA29719; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:44:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nexgen (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nexgen.hiwaay.net (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA09543; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:19:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199707240019.TAA09543@nexgen.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jkh@time.cdrom.com, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: dkelly@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-reply-to: Message from Tony Kimball of "Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:25:55 CDT." <199707231725.MAA06775@compound.east.sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:19:15 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Quoth Michael Smith on Thu, 24 July: > : > : Well, as I was saying, the 4GB ultra-SCSI IBM is AUD$533 (ex) here, or > : US$373. That's gotta count as "pretty cheap", hmm? > : > > That is competetive -- although yet premium for capacity, I'm more > than willing to pay that much for the performance. I hope this price > shows up in my searches soon! So far the best price I've seen on this > drive is $478. I just found that because I did a search, prompted by > your posting. (Thanks!) Thats an IBM DCAS 34330, right? Appears to be a darn nice drive. While "only 5400 RPM" I mounted one on an SGI Indy and used dd to write gig in 1M blocks. Got 7.8M/second. Same test with an ST15150N yeilded 6.3M/sec. Both were fresh out of mkfs. Forgot to try the same test for reads. Now have 2 PowerMacs with the same drive, while my first one is still sitting next to my FreeBSD system awaiting installation. > Passing fair IDE controllers are mandatory (you pay for them whether > you want them or not). A decent SCSI controller is another $200, > discretionary. Search for SCSI controllers again. I found Asus PCI-SC875's for $112 on the web. I've never used one but by all mentions on these lists one can't hardly ask for a better SCSI card. Not sure if it comes with the UW SCSI cable or not. > So, suppose that I am starting from scratch... I can add 6.4G to my > system for $350, or else I can spend $30 + $200 + $478 = $708 and get > 4.3G for my trouble. > > Now this equation does not apply to me personally, because I already > have more than enough SCSI controllers to go around, but surely you > can see how this argument can easily prove persuasive to the new > system builder. There's no accounting for PC buyer's tastes. One would spend out the nose to get a Pentium-II but would be the squeakiest skinflint on disk storage. And tape storage too. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 23 21:30:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA06978 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06916; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA14196; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:59:41 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707240429.NAA14196@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Some questions about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: from Donald Burr at "Jul 22, 97 03:05:10 am" To: dburr@POBoxes.com (Donald Burr) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:59:40 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Sorry about the delay here...) ) Donald Burr stands accused of saying: G'day back! > 1. One of the reasons why I have been running Linux is the fact that its > PCMCIA support is much better, and in fact, Linux actually had PCMCIA > support when FreeBSD did not. (One of the machines on my homebrew > network is a laptop.) But I notice that FreeBSD's PCMCIA support > seems to be improving. How good is the support in 2.2.2? For the drivers that have support, it's pretty good. As a general rule, if the stock code doesn't support what you want, the PAO addons will. What card(s) do you want to use? > 2. All of my other machines have fairly standard (i.e. fully supported) > install media (CD-ROMs), except my Laptop. My laptop does have a SCSI > CD-ROM (NEC 8x, uncertain of the model number), but my laptop doesn't > have a built-in SCSI adapter. Yep -- you guessed it -- the SCSI > adapter is a PCMCIA. I was looking at my older (2.2.1) CD-ROM and > noticed the "boot-pao.flp" floppy image, which apparently allows you > to install FreeBSD using PCMCIA media (ATAPI CD-ROMs, SCSI, etc.) But > when I went to look for this on the 2.2.2 CD-ROM -- it wasn't there! > All I found was the standard "boot.flp" is this capability no longer > available, or is it built in to boot.flp? OR is it a separate package > that I need to get somewhere else (if so, where?) Try looking at www.jp.freebsd.org; the PAO homepage is on that server, and they generate and serve their boot floppies locally. > 3. I'm not sure if my PCMCIA SCSI adapter is even supported. It is a New > Media Toast'n'Jam (a combo SCSI/sound card), I believe it uses the > "aha1520" (aic-something-or-other) driver. Can this controller be > used with FreeBSD's PCMCIA support? I believe this card has been supported for some time. > 4. I also have a PCMCIA network adapter -- an IBM Home and Away. (This > is a combo 10BaseT ethernet + 14.4 modem card -- I don't care about > the 14.4 modem, because I have a USRobotics Sportster external). Is > this card supported by the PCMCIA package, and if I need to, can I use > it to do a network install (I can mount my FreeBSD CD-ROM on one of my > desktop machines, after all). Combo cards are somewhat problematic, and many don't work entirely correctly. Having said that, I believe that the network adapter either will, or could be convinced to, work just ine. > 5. Last question: I have been running Linux because of its "IP > Masquerading" feature -- which allows a private (i.e. unlicensed) > home network to share a single dial-up IP connection. Since we have > only one phone line in the house, and sometimes two or three of us > (yes, I have roomies) have to use the Internet at once to get e-mail, > etc., we set up IP masquerading so that this is feasible. Now I hear > that FreeBSD's usermode PPP (iijppp) supports an "-alias" flag that > does something similar. Is anyone actually using this? How well does > it work, and how does it compare to Linux's IP masquerading > implementation? Aliasing is available both for PPP and generic networking situations, using a common library developed by Charles Mott and co. Reports indicate that it works extremely well. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 24 04:13:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA22969 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 04:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA22914; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 04:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707241113.EAA22914@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA176122054; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:00:54 +1000 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: Compaq's Built in SCSI To: Jay.Erickson@ibm.net Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:00:54 +1000 (EST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, md@dcs.qmw.ac.uk, brian@ibm.net, Tao@gate.sinica.ed In-Reply-To: <33D61D15.AA791100@ibm.net> from "Jay Erickson" at Jul 23, 97 10:02:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In some mail from Jay Erickson, sie said: > > I searched the archives and didn't find a definitive answer. > > I want to install FreeBSD on a couple of Compaq Proliant 1000's with the > built in SCSI > controller or Compaq's Smart SCSI controller. The Installer kernel > doesn't seem to > recognize either. FWIW, Solaris 2 supports some of the Compaq Proliants...check http://access1.sun.com Darren From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 24 06:45:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA28411 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.nacamar.de (news.nacamar.de [194.112.16.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA28404 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newsfeed (newsfeed.nacamar.de [194.162.162.196]) by news.nacamar.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA25801 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:45:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970724154517.01042c50@mail.nacamar.de> X-Sender: petzi@mail.nacamar.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:45:17 +0200 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Michael Beckmann Subject: SMC Etherpower II issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was told, but have not been able to verify, that new PCI Ethernet cards from SMC "SMC EtherPower II 10/100" are no longer equipped with "Digital 21140" chips, but rather with EPIC/100 83c170 chips. This has some implications on the usability with FreeBSD, I guess. Michael From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 24 07:20:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA00768 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00615 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adm.ujf-grenoble.fr (adm.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.78]) by ujf.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA20330; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:18:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from adm-bruno.ujf-grenoble.fr (adm-bruno.ujf-grenoble.fr [193.54.232.177]) by adm.ujf-grenoble.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA19840; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:18:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970724161835.00807690@adm.ujf-grenoble.fr> X-Sender: bruno@adm.ujf-grenoble.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:18:35 +0200 To: Michael Beckmann , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Gilles Bruno Subject: Re: SMC Etherpower II issues In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970724154517.01042c50@mail.nacamar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 15:45 24/07/97 +0200, Michael Beckmann wrote: |I was told, but have not been able to verify, that new PCI Ethernet cards |from SMC |"SMC EtherPower II 10/100" |are no longer equipped with "Digital 21140" chips, but rather with EPIC/100 |83c170 chips. | |This has some implications on the usability with FreeBSD, I guess. | |Michael | Sure, it look a closer look at both (epic and 21140) chipset programming manual : they're definitively differ... I hoped the 'epic' was an oem'ed version of either the 2114{2,3} or the 21340 chipset, according to their docs : nada :( .. our primary concern is that it becomes more and more difficult to have the old smc9332bdt ones.... From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 24 07:53:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02746 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (rdr@persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02738 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id JAA08725; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:45:04 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma008722; Thu Jul 24 10:45:03 1997 Message-ID: <33D76A6B.B7339D87@persprog.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:44:59 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Beckmann CC: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMC Etherpower II issues X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.3.32.19970724154517.01042c50@mail.nacamar.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Beckmann wrote: > > I was told, but have not been able to verify, that new PCI Ethernet cards > from SMC "SMC EtherPower II 10/100" > are no longer equipped with "Digital 21140" chips, but rather with > EPIC/100 83c170 chips. > > This has some implications on the usability with FreeBSD, I guess. > The last ad I saw for the card showed an SMC part on the board. It was definitely not a 21140 (unless they cloned it). -- It's not my fault! It's some guy named "General Protection"! --Ratbert David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 24 09:35:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09477 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.i-connect.net (qmailr@thor.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09467 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12050 invoked by uid 4028); 24 Jul 1997 16:35:04 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.5-alpha [p0] on Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <33D76A6B.B7339D87@persprog.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:04:54 -0700 (PDT) From: ron@cts.com To: dave@persprog.com Subject: Re: SMC Etherpower II issues Cc: Dave Alderman , Michael Beckmann , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have one of the little suckers in my hand as I type... 83C170QF. Too bad there isn't a FreeBSD driver (and from all I have heard, one is not in the works), my client would have bought a bunch of them (SMC - are you listening?). FreeBSD probably is not at the same priority at SMC as gates'97, gatesNT or even gates3.11 but if I were an aspiring network interface supplier, I think I would have considered all the potential customers, such as those that multi-boot systems that have both FreeBSD and gatesWare (or OS2, for that matter). Maybe SMC's attempt to gain independence from DEC compatability and establish their own market niche will backfire. Ronald L. McDaniels Trilobyte, Inc. "Not, not *that* Trilobyte" On 24-Jul-97 Dave Alderman wrote: >>Michael Beckmann wrote: >> >> I was told, but have not been able to verify, that new PCI Ethernet cards >> from SMC "SMC EtherPower II 10/100" >> are no longer equipped with "Digital 21140" chips, but rather with >> EPIC/100 83c170 chips. >> >> This has some implications on the usability with FreeBSD, I guess. >> >The last ad I saw for the card showed an SMC part on the board. It was >definitely not a 21140 (unless they cloned it). >-- >It's not my fault! It's some guy named "General Protection"! >--Ratbert >David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com ---------------------------------- E-Mail: ron@cts.com Date: 07/24/97 Time: 09:05:01 This message was sent by XF-Mail ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 24 12:54:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20278 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (root@cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20264 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@[206.246.122.2]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id PAA11140; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [206.246.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA03319; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:53:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:54:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@Journey2.mat.net To: Dave Alderman cc: Michael Beckmann , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMC Etherpower II issues In-Reply-To: <33D76A6B.B7339D87@persprog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > Michael Beckmann wrote: > > > > I was told, but have not been able to verify, that new PCI Ethernet cards > > from SMC "SMC EtherPower II 10/100" > > are no longer equipped with "Digital 21140" chips, but rather with > > EPIC/100 83c170 chips. > > > > This has some implications on the usability with FreeBSD, I guess. > > > The last ad I saw for the card showed an SMC part on the board. It was > definitely not a 21140 (unless they cloned it). I bought one 5 days ago and it still had the DEC chip in it. > -- > It's not my fault! It's some guy named "General Protection"! > --Ratbert > David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 24 14:54:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA26568 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nacamar.de (mail.nacamar.de [194.162.162.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26562 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.52.251.6] (apfel.nacamar.de [195.52.251.6]) by mail.nacamar.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13114; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:54:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Sender: petzi@mail.nacamar.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <33D76A6B.B7339D87@persprog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:54:25 +0200 To: Chuck Robey , Dave Alderman From: Michael Beckmann Subject: Re: SMC Etherpower II issues Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 15:54 Uhr -0400 24.07.1997, Chuck Robey wrote: >On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > >> Michael Beckmann wrote: >> > >> > I was told, but have not been able to verify, that new PCI Ethernet cards >> > from SMC "SMC EtherPower II 10/100" >> > are no longer equipped with "Digital 21140" chips, but rather with >> > EPIC/100 83c170 chips. >> > >> > This has some implications on the usability with FreeBSD, I guess. >> > >> The last ad I saw for the card showed an SMC part on the board. It was >> definitely not a 21140 (unless they cloned it). > >I bought one 5 days ago and it still had the DEC chip in it. I guess this was an SMC EtherPower, and not an SMC EtherPower II ? Michael From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 24 15:14:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27742 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (root@cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27737 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@[206.246.122.2]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id SAA05996; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [206.246.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA09158; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:14:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:14:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@Journey2.mat.net To: Michael Beckmann cc: Dave Alderman , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMC Etherpower II issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Michael Beckmann wrote: > At 15:54 Uhr -0400 24.07.1997, Chuck Robey wrote: > >On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > > > >> Michael Beckmann wrote: > >> > > >> > I was told, but have not been able to verify, that new PCI Ethernet cards > >> > from SMC "SMC EtherPower II 10/100" > >> > are no longer equipped with "Digital 21140" chips, but rather with > >> > EPIC/100 83c170 chips. > >> > > >> > This has some implications on the usability with FreeBSD, I guess. > >> > > >> The last ad I saw for the card showed an SMC part on the board. It was > >> definitely not a 21140 (unless they cloned it). > > > >I bought one 5 days ago and it still had the DEC chip in it. > > I guess this was an SMC EtherPower, and not an SMC EtherPower II ? Hmm, I have it installed 30 miles from here. I'm sorry, I dunno. > > Michael > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 24 17:59:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05716 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05711 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (jwm@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA06541; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:59:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199707250059.RAA06541@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> To: Michael Beckmann Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMC Etherpower II issues In-reply-to: Message from Michael Beckmann of "Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:45:17 +0200." <3.0.3.32.19970724154517.01042c50@mail.nacamar.de> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:58:54 -0700 From: John Milford Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Beckmann wrote: > I was told, but have not been able to verify, that new PCI Ethernet cards > from SMC > "SMC EtherPower II 10/100" > are no longer equipped with "Digital 21140" chips, but rather with EPIC/100 > 83c170 chips. > > This has some implications on the usability with FreeBSD, I guess. > > Michael > I can verify. I just bought one. Does anyone know if there is FreeBSD support planned for this chip? --John From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 24 22:35:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA15465 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15449 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA19496; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 01:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 01:38:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199707250538.BAA19496@sabre.goldsword.com> To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMC Etherpower II issues Cc: jfarmer@goldsword.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 24 13:08:51 1997 On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Ronald L. McDaniels said: >I have one of the little suckers in my hand as I type... 83C170QF. Too bad >there isn't a FreeBSD driver (and from all I have heard, one is not in the >works), my client would have bought a bunch of them (SMC - are you listening?). >FreeBSD probably is not at the same priority at SMC as gates'97, gatesNT or >even gates3.11 but if I were an aspiring network interface supplier, I think I >would have considered all the potential customers, such as those that >multi-boot systems that have both FreeBSD and gatesWare (or OS2, for that >matter). Maybe SMC's attempt to gain independence from DEC compatability and >establish their own market niche will backfire. > >Ronald L. McDaniels > Trilobyte, Inc. > >"Not, not *that* Trilobyte" Is this the SMC 9432 or the 8432 cards? I have 3 new FreeBSD servers that I was about to order SMC cards for. (The 7 Win95 boxes for another project can live with the SMC8416's just fine...) If SMC isn't the preferred FreeBSD PCI ethernet card now, what's a good choice for servers? John (Who needs to order some cards...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee dial-in (423)470-9953 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 24 23:26:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA17007 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA16999 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wrdiQ-0003zq-00; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:19:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:19:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: "John T. Farmer" cc: hardware@freebsd.org, jfarmer@goldsword.com Subject: Re: SMC Etherpower II issues In-Reply-To: <199707250538.BAA19496@sabre.goldsword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, John T. Farmer wrote: > If SMC isn't the preferred FreeBSD PCI ethernet card now, what's a good > choice for servers? The Intel Etherexpress Pro/100B, and boy are they cheap these days, and price just keep coming down. My cost has dropped $18 in the last three weeks, and seem to be going lower. Also, the Pro/100B is the only card that support full-duplex ethernet under FreeBSD right now. SMC used to make really good cards, but lately they have been changing chipsets far too often for my taste. > John (Who needs to order some cards...) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems > jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee > dial-in (423)470-9953 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com > Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting > > Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 25 01:57:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA23026 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 01:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.web-tic.com (ns.web-tic.com [194.109.18.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA23021; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 01:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paulj (secure.web-tic.com [194.109.18.40]) by ns.web-tic.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA09768; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:57:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970725105807.00a6bd40@web-tic.com> X-Sender: paulj@web-tic.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:58:07 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Paul Jongsma Subject: support for SMC 9432TX (Etherpower II 100/10) ?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just received two SMC cards to find out that the trusty 21140 chipset they used on their 100 mbit/sec models is replaced by a SMC 83C170 chipset. Included on the box is a nice and friendly label warning that these cards are INCOMPATIBLE with previous generations of the 100 mbit series. They are right, I tested one in a FreeBSD 2.2.2 machine and while it is recognized as a network device on the PCI bus FreeBSD won't install a driver. Should I be looking for the older model with a 21140 chipset or is there work in progress to support this new model? If so where can I find these drivers to test them? Thanks, Paul Jongsma WEBtic Internet Consultancy ________________________________________________________________________ WEBtic Internet Consultancy http://www.web-tic.com/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 25 05:42:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA01141 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 05:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from love.crosslogic.com (love.crosslogic.com [208.197.69.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA01128 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 05:42:34 -0700 (PDT) From: jbrinkley@crosslogic.com Received: by love.crosslogic.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 852564DF.00453172 ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:35:46 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CROSSLOGIC CORPORATION To: hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: <852564DF.00454D43.00@love.crosslogic.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:43:31 -0400 Subject: SCSI Tape Device Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In the kernel config, I have added a line looking like the one below to support my new SCSI Tape drive(Exabyte): device st0 I thought that this was all that was needed, but I am wrong. When I try to recompile the kernel, I get back a bunch of "Undefined symbol" error messages from the st.o file. Does anyone know a correct syntax for the SCSI Tape device? Thanks, webmaster From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 25 07:49:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA06126 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pompano.pcola.gulf.net (root@pompano.pcola.gulf.net [198.69.72.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA06119 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from golan (bluecrab28.pcola.gulf.net [205.160.70.220]) by pompano.pcola.gulf.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10279 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:49:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33D8BD1C.2947@gulf.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:50:04 -0500 From: Gary Bond X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: icrodyne/Eagle ne2500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Cheers, Has anyone had any experience with the Microdyne/Eagle NE2500 cards? Would they be an acceptable card for a first time ethernet network experience with FreeBSD? I have a Novell server up with cheapo NE2000 clones and they work OK. Would the NE2500 be better? Thanks in advance for your answers and suggestions. Lovin FreeBSD, gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 26 05:15:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA28002 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 05:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (bsdhw@shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA27997 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 05:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bsdhw@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.6/8.8.3) id PAA02085 for hardware@freebsd.org; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 15:15:14 +0300 (EET DST) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199707261215.PAA02085@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <199707231558.BAA09859@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Jul 24, 97 01:28:43 am" To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 15:15:14 +0300 (EET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I wish. SCSI is hopeless these days. About 3-5x the price > > of IDE. > Actually, you should go back and look at what SCSI drive prices are > doing at the moment. I can get a 5400 RPM 4GB ultra scsi IBM disk for right... just a thought here though... i worked at pc hardware distributor for 19 months, just swapped to another place last week... the reason current eide drives cost the amount they do is rather simple, the manufacturer no longer cares at all if the drive works or not when it's shipped out. nor do they care if the drives last or not. they're saving money by letting the _customers_ to do the liability testing, sure, giving out 3 year warranty makes the customer happy, until the point the drive suddenly blows up and data is lost. many drives are DOD too, far too many occasionally. (quality differencies are "noticeable") modern eide drives seems to have about 10-20% breaking precentage, worst shipment i've seen had 80% breaking precentage, well, now, 80% of the drives blew up before one year (seagate medalist 1080), almost all those in first few months... in fact, i doubt that hardly _any_ modern eide drive lasts to the end of the typical 3 year guarantee period. my machine running always seems to tire those things in about 12-18 months, 18 if i cool them well. i'd _hate_ to see similar happening in the scsi drives, but it seems to be what the customers want, cheap drives, no realiability, who cares if it breaks, as long as it has long guarantee... (oh, in the servers at work i blew up far too many _cheap_ scsi drives too in 6 month time i was using them) actually, it seems that some drives comes cheapo, and some cost more, and i personally would get those bit more expensive, assuming those are still tested to be reliable. (for example, seagate barracuda) at least i'm under an impression that those quality ($$$) scsi drives still have much lower than the 20% breaking precentage... (from what i've seen/heard) sure, if the data is well backed up, and the blow-up doesnt cause too much of a hassle, cheapo (unreliable too), scsi drives are a good sollution, to me, they're not, i dont want to change every 5th drive like every 6 months. oh, and this was raid's... if one needs a serious raid sollution, i think using, say 2-3 3-channel cards with 64 megs of cache on cards, and connect each channel with UW scsi-scsi connection to standalone raid box, each box filled with appropriate sized drives, 4-5 on each. ofcourse, i'd expect to max out PCI bus with that setup. oh yeah, ofcourse, ccd on the top of that. mickey From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 26 15:46:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23963 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 15:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from u2.farm.idt.net (root@u2.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23958 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 15:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia (ppp-34.ts-1.mlb.idt.net [169.132.71.34]) by u2.farm.idt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA21784 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33DA7E31.15FB7483@idt.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:46:09 -0400 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: building RAID systems References: <199707231511.KAA06339@compound.east.sun.com> <199707231558.BAA09859@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> <199707231711.MAA06690@compound.east.sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tony Kimball wrote: > > Quoth Michael Smith on Thu, 24 July: > : Tony Kimball stands accused of saying: > : > > : > I wish. SCSI is hopeless these days. About 3-5x the price > : > of IDE. > : > : Actually, you should go back and look at what SCSI drive prices are > : doing at the moment. I can get a 5400 RPM 4GB ultra scsi IBM disk for > : less than 30% more than the corresponding IDE model. IBM's pricing is > : pretty keen at the moment. > > This 'corresponding IDE model' argument has been used before. I find > it utterly specious. There is no SCSI model which corresponds to the > IDE disk drives I actually buy. I know that can buy a 6.4G 3.5" > Seagate for ~$350. The closest match I know in SCSI is a Micropolis > 8.7G for $1300. That's one big gap. If you know of a 3.5" SCSI drive > offering >5G which is competetive in price with the Seagate drive, I'd > like to know, because I'd like to buy it. If you're in the US (sorry Mike), I see in Dirt Cheap Drives' latest ad (August 97) that they have the Quantum FB36480S (6448MB, 5400 RPM, 10ms) SCSI drive for only US$565. That's a much smaller gap, and a pretty tempting price. Anyone have anything bad (or good) to say about this particular drive? Gary Corcoran From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 26 17:47:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA27880 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA27875 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wsHNI-0005VM-00; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:39:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:39:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: mika ruohotie cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: building RAID systems In-Reply-To: <199707261215.PAA02085@shadows.aeon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, mika ruohotie wrote: > still tested to be reliable. (for example, seagate barracuda) at least I've setup a 30GB barracuda 4lp array (with both 2GB and 4GB drives), and I wouldn't anything else. You pay for what you get. Tom