From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 2 03:43:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA16543 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 03:43:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org (root@199-170-160-132.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA16508; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 03:42:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@POBoxes.com) Received: from DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org (dburr@DonaldBurr.DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org [192.160.60.1]) by DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA20056; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 03:42:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 03:33:21 -0800 (PST) Organization: Starfleet Command From: Donald Burr To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: programs dying with SIGBUS after long uptime Cc: FreeBSD Hardware Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- A problem has recently come to my attention. After the system has been up and in use for a lengthy period of time (from several hours to a whole day or more), programs start dying with signal 10's (SIBGUS). I have seen this happen with Linux binaries only, and large ones at that - -- Executor and any of the StarOffice programs almost certainly crash after the system has been up and in use for several hours to a day. But this happened ONCE on a FreeBSD binary -- "more", believe it or not! Many programs, however, still work fine. For example, right now, I CANNOT start StarOffice or Executor (SIGBUS), but I CAN compile WINE (a rather large package, IMHO), use Netscape (the 3.04Gold BSDi version), and read and compose mail using XFMail. What could be going on here? I doubt it's the program or libraries, as I've tried reloading them from scratch, with similar results. Could my memory or CPU be going bad, or possibly overheating? (it has been very hot around here the past few days) Something similar (programs, mainly gcc, dying with random signals or other errors) happened once, when I tried overclocking a CPU beyond what it could tolerate. But I'm NOT overclocking my machine or bus right now. I don't think. (hard to tell, my motherboard came with scanty documentation) Could this be due to some BIOS configurations that aren't set right (memory timings, cache timings, PCI bus stuff, ...?) The machine is an AMD 486dx4/133 on a Jet 486 PCI mainboard (Award BIOS from Dec 1996, I believe). Please respond via email. Thanks!! ies, as I've tried reloading them from scratch, with similar results. Could my memory or CPU be going bad, or possibly overheating? (it has been very hot around here the past few days) Please respond via email. Thanks!! - --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. 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Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNFxnHfjpixuAwagxAQEu8wQAht/zDlYkBq8JfeMLGrYVx2OVDwRXvwF3 57g7ru3frN6wQ7jLoVZRGShE42Mz9UFYcctiuvRTJ62Ay4ZaXZg7bvrroJqJbcIG ES3qqKfBBNLJWiskOClvbJA5EkZ7fr035KeiG4jVL7RDV/V5p9YuKt0w278zry78 zscGfevzEyw= =/xNd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 2 10:26:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA04693 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:26:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04688 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:26:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@Kithrup.COM) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.5/8.6.6) id KAA11657 for hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:26:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:26:06 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199711021826.KAA11657@kithrup.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Assembled the new machine yesterday Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It is: ASUS P55T2P4N motherboard, with 512k of cache AMD K6-200 32MBytes 60ns parity RAM Two IBM DCAS-32160W ultra wide SCSI drives ASUS SC-875 (NCR 875) ultra wide SCSI controller Kingston DEC 21041-based ethernet card I installed 2.2.5 on it yesterday. I've had it doing "make world"'s throughout the night. It is averaging about 1h53m for them, in multiuser mode. /tmp is a 32MByte MFS filesystem; /usr/src is on sd0, and /usr/obj is on sd1 and mounted asynchronously. I'm very much impressed with the speed of the system, obviously :). (Another machine I have here takes 1h30m just to build the *kernel*.) After the current make world finishes, I'll try "make -j 4 world". From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 2 14:55:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA16277 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:55:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from monk.via.net (monk.via.net [140.174.204.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA16272 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:55:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@via.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by monk.via.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id OAA28101 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:45:06 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:45:06 -0800 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199711022245.OAA28101@monk.via.net> To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Assembled the new machine yesterday X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I did a '/usr/bin/time make buildworld', the result was: 4436.83 real 3119.45 user 742.02 sys This is on a 300Mhz Pentium II. Is anyone collecting build times to use as an informal benchmark? From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 2 16:53:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA22275 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 16:53:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA22259; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 16:53:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.gsoft.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00564; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:15:32 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199711030045.LAA00564@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Donald Burr cc: FreeBSD Questions , FreeBSD Hardware Subject: Re: programs dying with SIGBUS after long uptime In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Nov 1997 03:33:21 -0800." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:15:32 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > After the system has been up and in use for a lengthy period of > time (from several hours to a whole day or more), programs start dying with > signal 10's (SIBGUS). You should be checking that none of your system components (eg. CPU, disk) are overheating. If you have a fan-cooled processor, you should definitely check that the fan is still working. Then you should check the output of 'vmstat -m', and look for abnormally large allocations. > Many programs, however, still work fine. For example, right now, I CANNOT > start StarOffice or Executor (SIGBUS), but I CAN compile WINE (a rather > large package, IMHO), use Netscape (the 3.04Gold BSDi version), and read > and compose mail using XFMail. Note that once a text image has been corrupted during execution, repeated execution of the same image will run the (corrupted) sticky copy in core until same is flushed; this basically means that once a program has died due to memory corruption you need to reboot. > I've tried reloading them from scratch, with similar results. Could my > memory or CPU be going bad, or possibly overheating? (it has been very ... > documentation) Could this be due to some BIOS configurations that aren't > set right (memory timings, cache timings, PCI bus stuff, ...?) Yes and yes. mike From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 2 23:24:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA13069 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:24:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA13062; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:24:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id VAA05159; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:24:08 -1000 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:24:08 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199711030724.VAA05159@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Mike Smith "Re: programs dying with SIGBUS after long uptime" (Nov 3, 11:15am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: FreeBSD Questions , FreeBSD Hardware Subject: Re: programs dying with SIGBUS after long uptime Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } } Note that once a text image has been corrupted during execution, } repeated execution of the same image will run the (corrupted) sticky } copy in core until same is flushed; this basically means that once a } program has died due to memory corruption you need to reboot. } Or put a fresh copy of the binary into memory. As an example, if /bin/date is corrupted do this to refresh it: cp -p /bin/date /tmp mv /bin/date /bin/date.corrupt mv /tmp/date /bin/ This assumes that cp and mv are still good. Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 3 01:27:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA20697 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:27:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from bubble.didi.com (sjx-ca35-05.ix.netcom.com [204.31.236.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA20687 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:27:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by bubble.didi.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA07343; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:44:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:44:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711030544.VAA07343@bubble.didi.com> To: pete@sms.fi CC: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, mike@sentex.net, dg@root.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199711011833.UAA00692@silver.sms.fi> (message from Petri Helenius on Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:33:28 +0200 (EET)) Subject: Re: fxp0 and full duplex From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * From: Petri Helenius * > Do you know, for a fact, that MS IP stacks (from Win95 thru NT Server) * > are significantly less efficient than the BSD variety? Or are you * > just slamming MS for the hell of it? * > * While FreeBSD with P166 can easily fill a 100Mbps pipe, same hardware * running NT or 95 comes up to around 30-45Mbps. There are multiple * independent studies available on the web to confirm this story, with * FreeBSD, Solaris x86, etc... We have observed the following on two P6-200 (96MB memory, 14-disk (IBM DCHS) striped array, Intel EE Pro 100/B) connected via crossover cables: FreeBSD server - Windows NT client: 4.4MB/s FreeBSD server - FreeBSD client: >10MB/s That is the speed of ftp transfer of large files from disk to disk. (Of course, this could be the filesystem and not the network driver, but it's just a single datapoint anyway.) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 3 02:00:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA22350 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 02:00:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA22345 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 02:00:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA00941; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 02:00:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711031000.CAA00941@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: pete@sms.fi, mike@sentex.net, dg@root.com, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fxp0 and full duplex In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 02 Nov 97 21:44:24 -0800. <199711030544.VAA07343@bubble.didi.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 01:59:57 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > * > Do you know, for a fact, that MS IP stacks (from Win95 thru NT Server) > * > are significantly less efficient than the BSD variety? Or are you > * > just slamming MS for the hell of it? > * While FreeBSD with P166 can easily fill a 100Mbps pipe, same hardware > * running NT or 95 comes up to around 30-45Mbps. There are multiple > * independent studies available on the web to confirm this story, with > * FreeBSD, Solaris x86, etc... >We have observed the following on two P6-200 (96MB memory, 14-disk >(IBM DCHS) striped array, Intel EE Pro 100/B) connected via crossover >cables: > >FreeBSD server - Windows NT client: 4.4MB/s >FreeBSD server - FreeBSD client: >10MB/s > >That is the speed of ftp transfer of large files from disk to disk. >(Of course, this could be the filesystem and not the network driver, >but it's just a single datapoint anyway.) I wouldn't be surprised if this is also at least partially to do with "suckage" in the ftp client. The NT ftp and telnet clients have been known to suck badly in many other ways. I'd be interested to hear if you've tried FreeBSD client - WinNT server, where the ftp server is IIS 3.0 or better. I'd give it a try right here, but all my adapters are routed through a 10Base-T hub which limits me to max 10Mb/s. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 3 08:57:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA14109 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:57:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (SRI-56K-FR.mt.net [206.127.65.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA14099 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:57:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA17357; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:57:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA07309; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:57:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:57:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711031657.JAA07309@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Cc: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami), hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fxp0 and full duplex In-Reply-To: <199711031000.CAA00941@MindBender.serv.net> References: <199711030544.VAA07343@bubble.didi.com> <199711031000.CAA00941@MindBender.serv.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > * > Do you know, for a fact, that MS IP stacks (from Win95 thru NT Server) > > * > are significantly less efficient than the BSD variety? Or are you > > * > just slamming MS for the hell of it? [ Many stories deleted where FreeBSD outperformed Win95/NT on indentical hardware ] > >That is the speed of ftp transfer of large files from disk to disk. > >(Of course, this could be the filesystem and not the network driver, > >but it's just a single datapoint anyway.) > > I wouldn't be surprised if this is also at least partially to do with > "suckage" in the ftp client. The NT ftp and telnet clients have been > known to suck badly in many other ways. I never mentioned ftp in my statements, although I can't give 'real' #'s to back it up. Doing clock timing tests on an idle network from a Win95 box to a NT Server (4.0-latest patchlevel (3 or 4, don't remember), we're getting ~100K/minute using 'network neighberhood', or whatever M$ calls their network. Heck, NFS on the same hardware get's about 500-600K/sec. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 3 21:34:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA12073 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:34:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (wck-ca14-30.ix.netcom.com [207.92.174.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA12055 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:34:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.7/8.6.9) id VAA13692; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:30:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:30:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711040530.VAA13692@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net CC: pete@sms.fi, mike@sentex.net, dg@root.com, hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199711031000.CAA00941@MindBender.serv.net> (michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Subject: Re: fxp0 and full duplex From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * I wouldn't be surprised if this is also at least partially to do with * "suckage" in the ftp client. The NT ftp and telnet clients have been * known to suck badly in many other ways. I wouldn't be surprised either. However, we observed about the same trasfer rate using two different ftp clients (cuteftp and the ftp client that comes with exceed), neither of which are written by Microsoft. So if it's suckage in clients, it's contagious. :> Note this could very well be the filesystem, as I previously said. When I previously measured Windows NT 3.51, we couldn't get more than 7MB/s through the filesystem no matter how many disks we striped (that was on a P5-133). The system load utility showed an extremely high CPU load. And no, I haven't run the same test on the P6-200, we don't have a compiler for this version of Windows NT. * I'd be interested to hear if you've tried FreeBSD client - WinNT * server, where the ftp server is IIS 3.0 or better. Sorry, but we don't have an ftp server set up on Windows NT. (We only have "Workstation" anyway...does it have an ftp server?) The only reason why we are using Windows NT is because we need Adobe Photoshop to run on some of the machines. Our students ftp files from/to the FreeBSD fileservers to do the image processing work. * I'd give it a try right here, but all my adapters are routed through a * 10Base-T hub which limits me to max 10Mb/s. That won't help much. It works fine (i.e., 700-800KB/s) in 10BaseT mode. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 5 02:06:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA29997 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:06:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from hawk.gnome.co.uk (gnome.gw.cerbernet.co.uk [193.243.224.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA29991 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:05:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jacs@hawk.gnome.co.uk) Received: from hawk.gnome.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.gnome.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA00479 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:05:53 GMT Message-Id: <199711051005.KAA00479@hawk.gnome.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Seagate 24GB DAT drive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:05:52 +0000 From: Chris Stenton Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have just got hold of a Seagate 24GB DAT drive and have come across an interesting problem in that it works fine for blank tapes and can read tapes produced on my old HP DAT but I can't write onto any of these old tapes. Even mt erase does not work. It seems that if there is data on the tape it looks for a special marker at the beginning of the tape; if it does not find it it gives a media error. Is this a problem with all Seagate DAT drives or just the 24GB version? Chris From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 5 06:50:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA13485 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:50:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (dynamic56.pm05.sf3d.best.com [209.24.235.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA13480 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:50:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id GAA07084; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:50:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19971105065029.36729@mooseriver.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:50:29 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: Chris Stenton Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seagate 24GB DAT drive Reply-To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com References: <199711051005.KAA00479@hawk.gnome.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: <199711051005.KAA00479@hawk.gnome.co.uk>; from Chris Stenton on Wed, Nov 05, 1997 at 10:05:52AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Nov 05, 1997 at 10:05:52AM +0000, Chris Stenton wrote: > > I have just got hold of a Seagate 24GB DAT drive and have come across an > interesting problem in that it works fine for blank tapes and can read tapes > produced on my old HP DAT but I can't write onto any of these old tapes. > Even mt erase does not work. It seems that if there is data on the tape it > looks for a special marker at the beginning of the tape; if it does not > find it it gives a media error. Is this a problem with all Seagate DAT > drives or just the 24GB version? > > I have bumped into a simular problem with my HP 4GB DAT drive. It would just refuse to write to some old tapes even after I ran these tapes though a bulk erasure. I could not find a rhyme or reason for this. My solution was to write a few end-of-tape marks at the beginning of the tape. Like so: mt -f /dev/rst0 weof 5 I do not totally understand why this should work but a little cargo cult never hurt anyone ;-) Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.5 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 5 08:16:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA18670 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:16:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA18662 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:16:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10547; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:16:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711051616.IAA10547@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Chris Stenton cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Seagate 24GB DAT drive In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 05 Nov 97 10:05:52 +0000. <199711051005.KAA00479@hawk.gnome.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:16:01 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I have just got hold of a Seagate 24GB DAT drive and have come across an >interesting problem in that it works fine for blank tapes and can read tapes >produced on my old HP DAT but I can't write onto any of these old tapes. Even >mt erase does not work. It seems that if there is data on the tape it looks for >a special marker at the beginning of the tape; if it does not find it it gives >a >media error. Is this a problem with all Seagate DAT drives or just the 24GB >version? Check your manual. It's probably not reading a marker on the tape. DAT tapes have identification holes so the drive can tell what type and density they are. My DDS-2 drive won't write on pre-DDS-2 tapes unless I throw a special jumper -- it will normally only read them. Your drive is probably doing the same thing -- only reading older lower density tapes -- and writing to only the correct (DDS-3?) tapes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 5 15:03:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA16425 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:03:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA16417 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:03:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA29540; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:32:44 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19971106093243.28994@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:32:43 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Chris Stenton Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Seagate 24GB DAT drive References: <199711051005.KAA00479@hawk.gnome.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199711051005.KAA00479@hawk.gnome.co.uk>; from Chris Stenton on Wed, Nov 05, 1997 at 10:05:52AM +0000 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Nov 05, 1997 at 10:05:52AM +0000, Chris Stenton wrote: > > I have just got hold of a Seagate 24GB DAT drive and have come across an > interesting problem in that it works fine for blank tapes and can read tapes > produced on my old HP DAT but I can't write onto any of these old tapes. Even > mt erase does not work. It seems that if there is data on the tape it looks for > a special marker at the beginning of the tape; if it does not find it it gives > a > media error. Is this a problem with all Seagate DAT drives or just the 24GB > version? Depends on how old the tapes are. *Really* old DDS (not DAT) tapes didn't have MRS ("Media Recognition System"). By default, newer DDS drives will refuse to write to these tapes (and to DATs, which are for audio purposes only). I don't know what you mean by a "Seagate 24GB DAT" drive. Is this a DDS-3 drive? Check the manual, you'll probably find a way of disabling MRS. Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 6 06:43:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA20030 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:43:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from tandem.milestonerdl.com (main.milestonerdl.com [204.107.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA20023 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:43:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@tandem.milestonerdl.com) Received: (from marc@localhost) by tandem.milestonerdl.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA23442; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:52:48 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:52:48 +0000 () From: Marc Rassbach To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: EISA hardware... is this card supported? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I went thru LINT in 2.2.2 and can not find a reference for thie following network cards. INTEL EILA8225 and Grand Junction FastNIC 100 EISA (P/N 000319) I'm doubting support for the Grand Junction card..... but is perchance the Intel card supported and I missed it? From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 6 21:01:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA09785 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:01:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA09773 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:01:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id WAA15048 for hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA02058 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:06:32 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:06:32 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Intel EtherExpress PRO/100+ Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone heard anything about this card? Note the 100+, not 100B. 10/100, single chip design in marketingspeak (not sure how much it pans out in reality, looks reasonably close), same price as 100B. Isn't clear if it is replacing or supplementing 100B. Anyone know anything about it? How different is it to the 100B? Has an 82558 on it (the B has a 82557 doesn't it?). Half the rated power requirements as the B. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 6 21:22:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA11065 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:22:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from joxer.acsu.buffalo.edu (qmailr@joxer.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA11056 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:22:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jpgather@acsu.buffalo.edu) Received: (qmail 20705 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 05:21:31 -0000 Received: from ubppp-248-037.ppp-net.buffalo.edu (HELO acsu.buffalo.edu) (128.205.248.37) by joxer.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 05:21:31 -0000 Message-ID: <3462A55A.4412DF3F@acsu.buffalo.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 00:21:30 -0500 From: John Gather Organization: University at Buffalo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-hardware Subject: Tekram DC-390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone on this list tell me if the Tekram scsi controllers DC-390, DC-390F and DC390U have driver support for FreeBSD? I don't see them listed under 'supported configurations' adapter cards, but Tekram technical service says that there are drivers for FreeBSD! These controllers seem to have excellent price/value relation. Please let me know your opinion on this. Thanks, John Gather From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 6 22:48:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA14244 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:48:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA14236 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:48:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19923; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:50:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711070650.WAA19923@implode.root.com> To: Marc Slemko cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel EtherExpress PRO/100+ In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Nov 1997 22:06:32 MST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 22:50:32 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Anyone heard anything about this card? Note the 100+, not 100B. > >10/100, single chip design in marketingspeak (not sure how much it pans >out in reality, looks reasonably close), same price as 100B. > >Isn't clear if it is replacing or supplementing 100B. Anyone know >anything about it? How different is it to the 100B? > >Has an 82558 on it (the B has a 82557 doesn't it?). Half the rated power >requirements as the B. The 82558 is an 82557 with an integrated 82555 PHY chip. It should be 100% compatible with the 82557/82555 combination and thus should work fine with the current fxp driver in FreeBSD. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 6 23:55:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA16912 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:55:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA16907 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:55:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA15249; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:55:51 -0800 (PST) To: John Gather cc: FreeBSD-hardware Subject: Re: Tekram DC-390 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Nov 1997 00:21:30 EST." <3462A55A.4412DF3F@acsu.buffalo.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:55:50 -0800 Message-ID: <15246.878889350@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You must have an older release of FreeBSD then. With 2.2.5, you'll find it listed in HARDWARE.TXT: amd0 n/a n/a n/a n/a Tekram DC-390(T) / AMD 53c974 PCI SCSI > Can anyone on this list tell me if the Tekram scsi controllers > DC-390, DC-390F and DC390U have driver support for > FreeBSD? > I don't see them listed under 'supported configurations' adapter > cards, but Tekram technical service says that there are drivers > for FreeBSD! These controllers seem to have excellent price/value > relation. Please let me know your opinion on this. Thanks, > > John Gather > From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 7 08:00:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA06533 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:00:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from murkwood.gaffaneys.com (dialup4.gaffaneys.com [208.155.161.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA06528 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:00:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zach@gaffaneys.com) Received: (from zach@localhost) by murkwood.gaffaneys.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) id JAA19504; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:59:58 -0600 (CST) From: Zach Heilig Message-ID: <19971107095958.62302@gaffaneys.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:59:58 -0600 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: John Gather , FreeBSD-hardware Subject: Re: Tekram DC-390 References: <3462A55A.4412DF3F@acsu.buffalo.edu> <15246.878889350@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <15246.878889350@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Thu, Nov 06, 1997 at 11:55:50PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Nov 06, 1997 at 11:55:50PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > You must have an older release of FreeBSD then. With 2.2.5, you'll > find it listed in HARDWARE.TXT: > > amd0 n/a n/a n/a n/a Tekram DC-390(T) / AMD 53c974 PCI SCSI I don't know about the others (DC-390/DC-390U), but my DC-390F would not respond to the amd0 driver, and I had to use the ncr0 one. It has one large chip with 'Symbios Logic (c) 1995 -- 53c875' written on it. I also dumped the DC-390F in favor of a 2940U, since the card I had would only do automatic termination, and it got the termination wrong. I'm thinking this is because I used the narrow connector instead of the wide one. (and there was termination on only one end of the extra wires). -- Zach Heilig From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 7 09:15:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA10403 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:15:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA10387 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:14:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id KAA08571; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:14:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05404; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:12:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:12:34 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: Zach Heilig cc: John Gather , FreeBSD-hardware Subject: Re: Tekram DC-390 In-Reply-To: <19971107095958.62302@gaffaneys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Zach Heilig wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 1997 at 11:55:50PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > You must have an older release of FreeBSD then. With 2.2.5, you'll > > find it listed in HARDWARE.TXT: > > > > amd0 n/a n/a n/a n/a Tekram DC-390(T) / AMD 53c974 PCI SCSI > > I don't know about the others (DC-390/DC-390U), but my DC-390F would not > respond to the amd0 driver, and I had to use the ncr0 one. It has one large > chip with 'Symbios Logic (c) 1995 -- 53c875' written on it. The 390 and 390T use an AMD chipset. That means they use the amd0 driver, which is based on the driver that Tekram made available. The other 390s use the NCR chipset. That uses thr ncr driver. The 390F and U work well for me. There are cheaper cards with the NCR chipset, but a lot of them are of low quality. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 7 09:23:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA10999 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:23:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA10993 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:23:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@mina.sr.hp.com) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com (srmail.sr.hp.com [15.4.45.14]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id JAA15742; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA249853345; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:22:25 -0800 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by mina.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA031853344; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:22:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199711071722.AA031853344@mina.sr.hp.com> To: Zach Heilig Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , John Gather , FreeBSD-hardware Subject: Re: Tekram DC-390 Reply-To: darrylo@sr.hp.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:59:58 CST." <19971107095958.62302@gaffaneys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:22:24 -0800 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Thu, Nov 06, 1997 at 11:55:50PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > You must have an older release of FreeBSD then. With 2.2.5, you'll > > find it listed in HARDWARE.TXT: > > > > amd0 n/a n/a n/a n/a Tekram DC-390(T) / AMD 53c974 PCI S > CSI > > I don't know about the others (DC-390/DC-390U), but my DC-390F would not > respond to the amd0 driver, and I had to use the ncr0 one. It has one large > chip with 'Symbios Logic (c) 1995 -- 53c875' written on it. The plain 390 is based upon the AMD chipset, which, while it works (from the reports here), is not a fast performer. Personally, I'd avoid the plain 390. The 390F and 390U are better than the plain 390, as these are based upon the Symbios (NCR) 875 chipset (and, as you've noticed, require a different FreeBSD driver). These should perform quite well (modulo any termination problems ;-). However, I seem to recall hearing about problems with the 875 and older versions of FreeBSD, and so you may need a recent version. I've appended a little blurb that I wrote regarding the Symbios- based SCSI controllers. -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. =============================================================================== While the Adaptec 2940 is a good card (and it's hard to go wrong with it), you don't have to pay an high price for a really good SCSI controller. One of the "best-kept secrets" is that cards based upon the Symbios Logic (previously NCR) 810/815/825/875 chipsets are often another good choice. They're *very* hard to find, however. You get, say, 95% or more of the performance of an Adaptec 2940 at around half the cost (or less). The 815-based controller (fast, narrow SCSI, w/BIOS) will give you similar performance to a 2940, assuming that you don't have an heavily-loaded server (if you have, say, three or more disks being accessed *SIMULTANEOUSLY*, the 2940 will perform better, but the majority of people won't run into this situation); the 825- and 875-based controllers should have no such limitation (the 825 is a fast/wide controller, and I think the 875 adds ultra-SCSI, in wide and non-wide configurations). The 2940 does have nice BIOS-based setup routines for configuring the card; the Symbios/NCR-based cards often use jumpers or DIP switches for setup. Don't let the low price fool you -- these cards are good (but very difficult to find). They work well with MSDOS, Win95, & PC Unices (FreeBSD or Linux), and I assume that they also work well with WinNT. (However, I have seen a single report where one person has problems with scanners & Win95.) Here's a partial list of Symbios(NCR)-based boards (I haven't verified all of this, but I believe it to be correct): Data Technology 3130B (815-based, with BIOS). I paid around $115 for one, a bit more than a year ago. Has passive termination (a better solution is to disable on-board termination and use an external active terminator, assuming that you have internally-terminated devices). Tekram DC-390U, DC-390F, & DC-390W (The 390U and 390F are 875-based, and I think the 390W is based upon the 825. However, you want to *AVOID* the plain DC-390, as this is based upon an AMD chip, and not the NCR/Symbios one. ASUS SC-200 (810-based, without BIOS). You need a motherboard (like the excellent ASUS P55T2P4) with an on-board SCSI BIOS to use this card. Can be found for $70-80. I paid $60 for a similar clone in December 1996. Tyan S1365 (825-based, fast/wide SCSI, with BIOS). From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 7 16:43:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA04991 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:43:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from joxer.acsu.buffalo.edu (qmailr@joxer.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA04986 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:43:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jpgather@acsu.buffalo.edu) Received: (qmail 28848 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 00:43:22 -0000 Received: from ubppp-248-009.ppp-net.buffalo.edu (HELO acsu.buffalo.edu) (128.205.248.9) by joxer.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 00:43:22 -0000 Message-ID: <3463B5AC.98D81E56@acsu.buffalo.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 19:43:24 -0500 From: John Gather Organization: University at Buffalo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-hardware Subject: Tekram DC-390s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to all the input on the DC-390 scsi adapter series. I am not quite decided if I want to go that way. Anyway, here is one source for these adapters, if any of you'd like to compare prices etc. http://www.cmpexpress.com/cgibin/stydec?id=1282052489216476974&action=page&page=/catalog1/554.htm best, John Gather From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 7 16:45:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA05109 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:45:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA05093 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:45:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.1/nospam) with UUCP id BAA15299 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:45:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.7/keltia-2.12/nospam) id BAA01253; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:09:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19971108010925.57706@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:09:25 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: FreeBSD-hardware Subject: Re: Tekram DC-390 References: <19971107095958.62302@gaffaneys.com> <199711071722.AA031853344@mina.sr.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <199711071722.AA031853344@mina.sr.hp.com>; from Darryl Okahata on Fri, Nov 07, 1997 at 09:22:24AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3780 AMD-K6 MMX @ 208 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Darryl Okahata: > I've appended a little blurb that I wrote regarding the Symbios- > based SCSI controllers. I'll add the following: > ASUS SC-200 (810-based, without BIOS). You need a motherboard > (like the excellent ASUS P55T2P4) with an on-board SCSI > BIOS to use this card. Can be found for $70-80. I paid > $60 for a similar clone in December 1996. ASUS SC-875 (875-based, with BIOS). Supports Fast, Ultra and Ultra Wide drives. Can be found for around $140(*). Very good card IMO. (*) to be checked in the US, I'm in France... :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #46: Sun Nov 2 16:51:01 CET 1997 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 7 17:08:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA06295 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:08:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from joxer.acsu.buffalo.edu (qmailr@joxer.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA06289 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:08:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jpgather@acsu.buffalo.edu) Received: (qmail 2600 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 01:08:32 -0000 Received: from ubppp-248-009.ppp-net.buffalo.edu (HELO acsu.buffalo.edu) (128.205.248.9) by joxer.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 01:08:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3463BB92.88F1F97E@acsu.buffalo.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 20:08:34 -0500 From: John Gather Organization: University at Buffalo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-hardware Subject: Driver Support for Tekram DC-390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Folks, this is the complete driver support site for the adapters previously discussed. I would say that Tekram provides an excellent level of support for FreeBSD OS, wouldn't you agree? ftp://ftp.tekram.com/SCSI/FREEBSD/ The readme files explain details. I'll go for the DC-390U! http://www.tekram.com/scsi/dc390series.html -=-John From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 7 17:56:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA09176 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:56:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA09168 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:56:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11358; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:53:13 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: picnic.mat.net: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:53:12 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@picnic.mat.net To: John Gather cc: FreeBSD-hardware Subject: Re: Tekram DC-390s In-Reply-To: <3463B5AC.98D81E56@acsu.buffalo.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, John Gather wrote: > Thanks to all the input on the DC-390 scsi adapter series. I am not > quite decided if I want > to go that way. Anyway, here is one source for these adapters, if any > of you'd like to compare > prices etc. > > http://www.cmpexpress.com/cgibin/stydec?id=1282052489216476974&action=page&page=/catalog1/554.htm You know, Telenet Systems is selling the ASUS ncr 875 based card for $119, it works great, why would you want anything else? That is, if you're not running a very high powered server. The performance is very good, at about half the price of the cheapest Adaptec cards, and it works fine with FreeBSD (at least under current, I'm _very_ happy with it!) It comes with both 8 and 16 bit connectors. > > best, > John Gather > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 7 20:17:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA15265 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:17:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA15260 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:17:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt1-122.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.122]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17325; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:16:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA15318; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:39:14 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711080339.VAA15318@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: darrylo@sr.hp.com cc: FreeBSD-hardware From: dkelly@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: Tekram DC-390 In-reply-to: Message from Darryl Okahata of "Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:22:24 PST." <199711071722.AA031853344@mina.sr.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 21:39:13 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The 2940 does have nice BIOS-based setup routines for configuring > the card; the Symbios/NCR-based cards often use jumpers or DIP switches > for setup. My Asus SC875 has Flash BIOS on the card, and Adaptec-like boot time BIOS config, and no jumpers. While my 2940 enters its config on control-A, the Asus card uses control-C. Both prompt with a reminder when they are polling for your input. The Asus manual uses the term "Symbios Logic" so often and freely that I'm guessing its BIOS is totally generic Symbios. Termination is automatic with no indication as to what it chose. Manual specifically states only 2 of the 3 SCSI connectors can be used else you make a T out of the SCSI bus. I have a narrow non-Ultra 2940 in my system in addition to the SC875. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.